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Speaker 1: Love radio, radio, Radio Commies of myth and Bullshit radio

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Speaker 1: phonic novella Local Radio hosted by Malamno Locamotives. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to local radio. Welcome back, Welcome back. This is my

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Speaker 1: La and I'm Fiosa and we are last local local Radio.

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Speaker 1: A radio phonic novella, which is just a really really

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Speaker 1: extra way of saying a podcast. We have a really

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Speaker 1: exciting interview coming up, Mala, Can you introduce our guest. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we are delighted and pleased UM to invite the bag

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Speaker 1: Ladies of bag Ladies podcast is Stefanie and Lena onto

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Speaker 1: local Radio. We did a collaborative episode with them a

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Speaker 1: while back, and we wanted to do another one so

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Speaker 1: that we each had an interview on each other's UM,

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Speaker 1: you know project. So, uh, we want to invite you

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Speaker 1: to share space with us and bag Ladies. It's a

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Speaker 1: fun interview. We talked about Hispanic Heritage month, We're Things

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Speaker 1: White Women did this week in spoke behind starting a podcast,

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Speaker 1: um and reflections on being indie podcasters now for the

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Speaker 1: past three to four years. Yes, so just a little

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Speaker 1: bit about them. Bag Ladies is a podcast about baggage. Yours,

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Speaker 1: mine and ours created by two Dominican Afro Latin X podcasters.

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Speaker 1: Through the podcast, their goal is to help themselves and

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Speaker 1: their listeners by pushing themselves to be vulnerable about the

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Speaker 1: way that the world affects them and their ability to

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Speaker 1: live their truest, most authentic lives. So we're really excited

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Speaker 1: to bring them onto the podcast. They are two amazing individuals,

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Speaker 1: beautiful inside and out. So here is the bag Ladies.

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Speaker 1: We are so excited to welcome the amazing podcasters bag Ladies.

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Speaker 1: Lena and Stephanie are in the bit. Well, actually they're

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Speaker 1: not in the building. They're on the phone. They're on

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Speaker 1: the phone. They're joining us today. Welcome via Google hang Out.

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Speaker 1: Can you say hello to our lookalmotives. Introduce yourselves please.

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Speaker 1: So we are the bag Ladies, where a podcast about baggage,

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Speaker 1: how to let go and how to go through it?

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Speaker 1: Are saying is let us help you, help us help

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Speaker 1: you with your baggage. And I'm a Stephanie and I'm

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Speaker 1: Lena together over the back Ladies's gonna be the back Ladies. Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: and I guess who am I? My name is Stephanie,

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Speaker 1: UM a bronze baby. I'm currently a producer, podcast producer.

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Speaker 1: I work with m I'm damn I'm trying to think

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Speaker 1: how to do a little fun, a little Finnesse. So

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Speaker 1: I'll start from here. I'll start from here. So Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm Stephanie and I am a the co host Bactaries

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Speaker 1: obviously that's why I'm here, and I'm also a producer.

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Speaker 1: I'm living in Brooklyn, slowly trying to transition back to

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Speaker 1: the Bronze. I'm a Latin next person and i love

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Speaker 1: to tell stories and I'm super excited. Yes, Elina. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm the other half of Bad Ladies. I'm also

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Speaker 1: from the bronx Um. I currently live in Philly though

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Speaker 1: I just graduated law school, so I'm like a lawyer

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Congratulations you um. And yeah, also I'm queer,

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Speaker 1: UM identify as non binary. And you know, we're just

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Speaker 1: out here trying to help everybody. Let go them bags

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Speaker 1: because we all struggling, Like, let's not front surely there's

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Speaker 1: a lot going on, I feel like across the board,

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Speaker 1: like politically, economically, psychically, cosmically, everyone is a little stressed out. Um,

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Speaker 1: And so we thank you for your work because it's

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Speaker 1: definitely necessary. Oh my gosh, thank you, and we appreciate

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Speaker 1: your work too, Like, you know, the capitalist white supremacists

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Speaker 1: statiarchy has been trying to kill us from day one,

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Speaker 1: but you know, still we rise or whatever. Everything we

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Speaker 1: I really am excited that we've been able to like, uh,

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Speaker 1: link up and work together. Absolutely. Yes, this has been

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Speaker 1: so we're really excited that this is finally happening. Um,

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Speaker 1: just to get us started, you know, you introduced your

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Speaker 1: end of and we were both getting into podcasts, like

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Speaker 1: just listening to a lot of podcasts, most of you

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Speaker 1: were listening to The Read and we were just like,

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Speaker 1: And we were, yeah, we did it like very like casual.

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Speaker 1: stole it from Yeah. And we will allow one more

425
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: light skin one of Yeah, who is pretty much passes

426
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: for white on a regular basis to come in here representation.

427
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: Why aren't you happy? And it's like no, because we

428
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: wanted to our own stories, our way, and that's what's

429
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: being that's what we're being prevented from doing, right, right,

430
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: That's a good segue into the next topic that we

431
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up with y'all is UM storytelling through podcasting, right,

432
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: So one of the amazing things about podcasting and we

433
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: definitely like relate with y'all and how it has been

434
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: very d I Y for us UM and it did

435
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: feel like a very like somewhat accessible platform to be

436
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,239
Speaker 1: able to create, even though it actually is a lot

437
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: of work, but it still felt more accessible than than

438
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: anything else, right considering when we started, which was in UM. So,

439
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: I just want to hear from y'all, like, what has

440
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: it been like to tell your stories create space for

441
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: other folks in your community being able to uplift their

442
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: voices through your platform. UM, how do you feel, like

443
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that the storytelling aspect of

444
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: the podcast? Mm hmm. One. I just definitely think is

445
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: so important for different types of folks to tell their

446
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: stories because I think the way that we grow in

447
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: empathy and they grow and like as the humanity is

448
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: to listen to our share stories. And I think sometimes

449
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: we think that people are so different from us because

450
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: like you know, we speak a different language, or like

451
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, we're not from the same neighborhood, but like

452
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: we could all talk about how we struggle and with anxiety.

453
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: We can talk about how we all struggle with mental

454
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: health issues and things of that nature. We can all

455
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: talk about how student al suck. Like there are still

456
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: common grounds that people have, and I think with the podcast,

457
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: we have definitely learned that, like damn, we wouldn't assume

458
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: that people like this will struggle with this, but it

459
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: seems like this is like an overall big issue, um,

460
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: And especially when we started the podcast, like we had

461
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: like these like shitty as twenty dollar mics and you know,

462
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: I remember the day that we were both at uh

463
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: uh what was it. I think it was Best five,

464
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: we were best Buy and we were like literally on

465
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: eight six Street that best Buy shout out to you.

466
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: That's from my service, Um, not the best price, but

467
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: that's another thing. But like I definitely remember a sitting

468
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: are standing, I'm like, are we really gonna buy a

469
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: hundred dollar mics and knowing that we both didn't have

470
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: it in our bank account and being like yo were

471
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: serious about telling these stories, like are we really serious

472
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: about this? Like we're gonna buy it? And we went

473
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: downstairs and we bought those YETI mics that we still

474
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: have today and that we're still used today. But it

475
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: was just that realization of just like Yo, we want

476
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: to keep doing this ship. We want to keep talking

477
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: to people. We want to make sure that our voices

478
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: are heard, and when we have guests, that their stories

479
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: are heard, and when we have topics that people can

480
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: listen to that because it's important. It's important to see

481
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: and to hear people like you. Because I think one

482
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: thing that we always get commented on and people talk about,

483
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: like you, I really sucked the way I really funk

484
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: with how you have accents. I love the fact that

485
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: yeah are like two bronze bitches dominican Um trying to

486
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: be out here in capitalism, and we really funk with

487
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: that because you know, so many times the Bronx gets

488
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: so much hate for just being Bronx, for surviving and

489
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: resistent and building community. People hate on the Bronx all

490
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: the time. And to know, like, Yo, we're from the Bronx.

491
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: We fucking it, We funk with it every fucking day,

492
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: and they that's the place that grew up and I

493
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: want people to know that we exist, were important and

494
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: things of that nature. So the podcast has really gave

495
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: us a platform to tell those stories and to continue

496
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: to talk those stories. Yeah, um, definitely, I feel like

497
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: going off what you're saying. Like, one of my favorite

498
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: things about podcasting is how different people's voices can sound.

499
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: I feel like even podcasting, like there's a very people

500
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: are supposed to sound a certain way, right, Like people

501
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: supposed to talk a certain way. And I love listening

502
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: to podcasts where people are disrupting all of that, like

503
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: the way that we talk, what we're saying, what we're

504
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: talking about, our own perspectives, and I think that we're

505
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: seeing such a growth of that of like black and

506
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: brown people and queer people and people of different identities

507
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: kind of getting into podcasting, and I just I just

508
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: love to hear the sounds of our voices because I

509
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: feel like we're just disrupting everything. Like once you start

510
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: listening to podcasts like yours, I look at or like

511
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: bad ladies, like you can't you cannot say that every

512
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: person who was from this place is just like that,

513
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: because we're letting you know that your stereotypes is fucked up,

514
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: their trash, they're not accurate, and we're just like I

515
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: just feel like so powerful and so political for us

516
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: to disrupt these systems the way that we're doing it.

517
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's been like very empowering. Um. I think

518
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: to know that there is there is a space for

519
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 1: our voices, for our stories, and that they matter and

520
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: that you know, people are people are working with them,

521
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: people are listening to us and being like yoh, I

522
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: feel that like even if they can't, like you said,

523
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: relate to us on other things, like they there's things

524
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: there that are deeper that they can't relate to. Yeah.

525
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 1: I think it's true that so many of the indie

526
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: podcasts that are doing really well are done by people

527
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: of color. Um, and a lot of them the more

528
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: popular podcasts that are getting turned into TV shows, you know,

529
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean the Bodega Boys, like the read you know,

530
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: um studio queens. Like there's all these different folks who

531
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: are doing amazing work and getting recognized. But then we

532
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: see like all these articles being written about oh Codan

533
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: O'Brien is just like groundbreaking and podcasting, you know, I

534
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: think past and it's wild how like, but that's literally

535
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: not what we see at all when we look around

536
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: at the actual landscape. Um, and you know, people don't

537
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: want to see it true, true, true, true. This is

538
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: supposed to be like nerdy white boy territory. You know,

539
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: how dare we right? Here's all of us like to

540
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: the party, and yet you got the address every reason?

541
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: How did you find us? How did you get here? Exactly? Yeah?

542
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: You know, when I like stepped into when I started

543
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: listening to podcast my introduction to it was actually not

544
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: like a white podcast. One of the first podcasts I

545
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: listened to is actually an East Coast based podcast, which

546
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: is which I know y'all have done a collad with them. Dumb.

547
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: That was one of the first podcasts that I listened to.

548
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: So I didn't necessarily have this perception or idea that

549
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: podcasts were very white until I was already creating the

550
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: podcast with Mala a couple months in, and I was like, oh, okay,

551
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 1: I see, I see now. But the folks around me worldwide,

552
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: they were, you know, other like people of color creating

553
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: the podcast creating podcasts. So I didn't have that understanding.

554
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: Now obviously, three years later, seeing all of these um

555
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: white podcasters get certain media coverage and certain cloud for

556
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote revolutionizing podcasting, it just doesn't make sense, right,

557
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Yeah, Well, I have a question

558
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: for y'all is this something like this type of public work,

559
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: something you always considered that you would want to do,

560
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: are you to, Um? I don't know. I think that Okay, Well,

561
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: we have been active on social media for a long time, right,

562
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: like even before podcasting, Like I was tweeting so heavy

563
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: and posting so heavy to Instagram, just like constantly. But

564
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: in my mind, I didn't consider it like public work

565
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: because my accounts were small. I just considered it I'm

566
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: just talking ship and I'm just spending my time on

567
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: social media, you know, just tweeting about hooking up or whatever, partying.

568
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um. But then it evolved into something

569
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: else as things started to grow, and as tractions started

570
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: to build, and then it I started to publish some

571
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: writing and then it became more public work. But it

572
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: wasn't like intentional at the outset. And I think that

573
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: when we started the podcast, it was like something fun

574
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, it really was like when we started

575
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: the podcast and we had our first meeting, like we

576
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: both agreed and we committed to one episode a month

577
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: because we like, we're like, realistically, we can't do more.

578
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: But then it just grew so fast that we were

579
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: like we had to keep up, you know, and like

580
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: we were didn't like we put it out knowing that

581
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: we had like but we both like respectively had small followings. UM,

582
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: So we put it out and didn't necessarily expect a

583
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: lot of the reception that we did receive, which was amazing,

584
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: It was incredible. Um. And then that that really just

585
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: propelled us and inspired us to keep going in to

586
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: care more and more consecutively and consistently. Yeah. How about you?

587
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: How about you too? Was this were you like seeking

588
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: to be like public content creators, public artists, public figures,

589
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: public figures. Um. I want to say definitely not at

590
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: that point to do something creative. And I was a

591
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: closed counselor for very long and didn't fulfill me. Um.

592
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: Obviously to do this and students in my community is amazing.

593
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: It's just like the policies and like the politics of education,

594
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: like the Unfairness cause, and just like yo, like I

595
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: need to do something bigger to support this cause. UM.

596
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: We were doing that when we started Bad Ladies, and

597
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: you know I started to I used to edit six,

598
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: so I was super aware of things already. Um. Oh

599
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: and the podcast came up and you've not started editing

600
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: a lot more. I was able to gain a fun ship,

601
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: and then they look at a job and producing podcasts

602
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: and like I didn't see I didn't see my speaking again,

603
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: and I wasn't ford there. But I'm glad that I

604
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: was given the opportunity to, you know, take my the

605
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: hobby that I have to turn it into a job.

606
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: It's something that a lot of people can't say, and

607
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: and then I feel privileged to be able to do.

608
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: But at the beginning, like we we didn't want to

609
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: show our Instagram, like I didn't want people to know um,

610
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: and like I always feel like I always wanted to

611
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: I always felt like my voice wasn't heard and I

612
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: felt small because you know, I was dark skinned. I

613
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: was I So I'm like I was here, I am.

614
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: I am a dark spand Latin next person, and like

615
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: I just always felt like, damn, like I don't fit

616
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: anywhere and I don't know what to do. So the

617
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: podcast has really supported of me in embracing my voice

618
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: and being like, yes, I'm out here, I'm black, I

619
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: speak Spanish. I'd been like I'm a black person that

620
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: speak Spanish and we're here and we eat s next

621
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: and drink water with our best life and it was

622
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: just super important for me to learn that and I'm

623
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: happy that I got to do that with the podcast.

624
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah that's amazing. I mean, thank you both for asking

625
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: that question. Yeah, great question. Oh for sure. So, UM,

626
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: we have a segment on Lookout Thought our radio called

627
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: Weird Things White Women Did This Week, UM, and this

628
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: is where we bring our collection of stories of friend

629
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: ends and encounters UM with white women and the weird

630
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: ship that they do. So we wanted to invite you

631
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: to share if you have any tidbits or stories UM

632
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: about white ladies that you want to share. Lord, where

633
00:36:54,360 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: do you get see lord? Um to to being very honest,

634
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: I cannot say I had one encounter as of yet. Okay,

635
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: I feel pretty not this we have, UM, I have one,

636
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: and it's kind of it, kind of her heart. I

637
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: was like God, damn, like why are you like this?

638
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: But I was like at work, I'm started, like a

639
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: legal job and like representing kids and things like that. UM,

640
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: and the work that we're doing is very concerned with

641
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: like families and like you know, it's like child welfare,

642
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: so it's a concern about the world being. But I

643
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: was literally witnessed to a conversation between a few white

644
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: women who literally, oh my god, I keep saying literally,

645
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: but I'm just a clip check where they went off

646
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: on a tangent basically talking about people's names and how

647
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: you can tell tell so you can tell the situation

648
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: sh of a family just based off their name. Setting

649
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: there looking at the other people of color, like what

650
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: what do we what? Oh my, what what are we

651
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: supposed to do? And I had to walk out. I

652
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: had to walk out of the room because I was

653
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: like I felt my my, my, rage pumping in my ears,

654
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like I'm about to lose this job, and

655
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: I just started, oh my god. So it's definitely one

656
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: of those instances where it's like something really horrible is

657
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: being said and then because of power dynamics, because of rage,

658
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: because of racism, because of trauma, it's it's sometimes hard,

659
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing, like why wouldn't be trying to

660
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: act like they people be calling it microaggressions and microaggressions. No,

661
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: it's paid up aggression, racist aggression, And it's like, how

662
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: do you how do you do with that? Right? The stress?

663
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: My goodness? Yeah, I mean definitely like there are moments

664
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: where it's like it's not like you have to just

665
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: remove yourself. You know. That sounds like one of those moments.

666
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you did and you have your job.

667
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we had, we had an experience to

668
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: have the job. But I don't know, Oh my god.

669
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: We feel similar ways about jobs in general employment. I

670
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: would just I would just rather not my ideal work schedules, right, yeah, No,

671
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: my ideal work schedules like ten am to two pm,

672
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: Like that's like the capacity that I have myself, like realistically, yeah, yeah,

673
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: I will be more efficient if that was my actual

674
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: work schedule. Also, is anyone really being a productive from

675
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: nine to the fives? Like, come on, that's one of

676
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: the best tweeting is happenings during business on your work desktop.

677
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: Do you want to start us off on our weird things? Why?

678
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: Women did? Yes? So we uh lead a firm defense

679
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: work shop at an undisclosed UM institution of higher education

680
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: recently and UM we were in what we were told

681
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: was a queer studies class gender studies class, and the

682
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: professor was an older white woman and so we were

683
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: like stepping into her classroom space and so you know,

684
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: we sent our workshop details beforehand. Firm Defense is kind

685
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: of like a review of the criminalization of UH survivors

686
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: of color and how women are criminalized and penalized and

687
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: thrown in prison when attempting self defense against sexual attackers

688
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: UM and abusers. And so that's like sort of the

689
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: foundation and the premise of the workshop. And then we

690
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: talk about some different examples and have some case studies

691
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: and then how we cover the topic on the podcast,

692
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: and then we end with like a physical self defense

693
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: demonstration UM that we invite all the participants to practice

694
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: some like self defense physical techniques. So in the course

695
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: of the workshop, we're talking and we're talking primarily primarily

696
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: about women and fems of color in this conversation, and

697
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: that's who we try to center UM, and this white

698
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: woman professor like multiple times like interrupted us, and it

699
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: was like very dissenting, and she was very much like,

700
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: but men too, what about men? And we and we

701
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, yes, definitely, men to men can also

702
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: be you know, victims of sexual violence. However, the usually

703
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: tends to be men abusing other men, you know, So

704
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: even if we are centering women and fems, like, we're

705
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: still talking about men and patriarchy and rape culture, you know,

706
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: So it was just she was, Yeah, she was very

707
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: much dissenting and trying to be I don't know if

708
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 1: like maybe playing devil's advocate, you know how white women

709
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: like to do that. But I think she got mad

710
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: because you know, okay, I think about this all the time.

711
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: And so we were like having this conversation in class

712
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: and um during our presentation, and you know how there's

713
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: all these studies and UM, all these studies and all

714
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: this writing, all this literature now about how trauma can

715
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: be passed down generationally in our DNA. And you know,

716
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: looking of course at like Holocaust survivors, survivors of slavery,

717
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: and how survivor refugees, um, survivors of forced migration, and

718
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: how all of that trauma gets passed down um to

719
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: our children in our DNA. But I always ask myself, okay, so,

720
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: but like what is the flip side of that, because

721
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: it can't just be that victims of violence have this DNA.

722
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: Where where does that trauma and the violence live in

723
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: white people's DNA? Because they it has to have been

724
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: absorbed somehow on their end, you know, so right, and

725
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: and MoMA starts and I know where this is going

726
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: because MoMA and I have had this discussion before, and

727
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this bitch is going to take it there.

728
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: She is not gonna like it. She didn't like. She

729
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: didn't like it. And then later, you know, in the presentation,

730
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: we talk about our our episode that we have UM

731
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: it's maybe from season one or two where we it's

732
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: called like don't Leak My Nudes and we talk about

733
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: Black China and Rob Kardashian and so we use that

734
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: as like a pop culture reference, but like to invite

735
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: them to think about it in like the more personal level, right,

736
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: and what that means and like the interpersonal dynamics revenge,

737
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: porn and all of that. So we were like, you know,

738
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: we're adults, and if you're sending a new to another

739
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: consenting adults, then it's shine, you know. And she like

740
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: didn't like And I'm like, so is this like are

741
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: we slug shaming in this class? Like I don't understand. Yeah,

742
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: I was like I thought this was queer studies. I'm

743
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: so confused. And then like and then thinking back, UM,

744
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: in the beginning, anytime we do a workshop, we ask

745
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: UM folks to introduce themselves and also say their pronouns,

746
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: and so when I asked them to do that, they

747
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: seemed some of them seemed like they knew. They were like, okay,

748
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: they got it, and then some like, we're confused. So

749
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like do folks know about like,

750
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, using pronouns and etcetera, etcetera, And some folks didn't.

751
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: So then later to find out it was a gender

752
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: studies a queer studies class. I was like, okay, but

753
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: how like even in like a one oh one class,

754
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: you would know like this is you know, these are

755
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: pronouns and if you're being asked to say your pronouns

756
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: and you would get it right. So it was just

757
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: very wild. And then the class continues and at the end,

758
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: we were starting to lead our physical technique, you know

759
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: component where they practice different like holds and ways to

760
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: get out of like if someone grabs you and things

761
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: like that using your voice, and she stopped us and

762
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: told us we couldn't do it, Like she's made a stop,

763
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: Like she stopped the physical technique presentation, and she's like,

764
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, you're in my classroom and I didn't sign

765
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: up for this and you're coming into my space and

766
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: we're like you invited us here and we're getting paid

767
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: to be here. I don't understand. And then I was

768
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: like when once I get upset, I'm upset. I don't understand.

769
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that the subject of this workshop

770
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: was known, and she says, well, no, I didn't know,

771
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: and so then I was just confused. I'm like, like,

772
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: why were we invited? Then it's so and that's not

773
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: the first time that that's happened, where there's been like

774
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: an older white one men in the workshop who just

775
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: will not stop talking and keeps raising their hands and

776
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: it's like super dissenting. So we're noticing a pattern here.

777
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: And then come to find the campus is Latin X

778
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: but like over ninety of the faculty are white people. Problems,

779
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: so that would be ours for this week? Yeah yeah,

780
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: who makes like what girl like this like that's not feminism.

781
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, bitch, like you know, we're not

782
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: talking about that. Basically, enough is enough, chill, I'll take

783
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: a break, We'll take over class today, Like you don't

784
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: have to work right now, you know, literally just sit

785
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: in the bad Yeah, but it's whatever. But she's really

786
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: a terrible gender studies professor. Clearly early clearly hello. I

787
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: mean like day one attendance, what are your pronouns? Have

788
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: the convo? That's how I would run her class. That's

789
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: how derailing conversations about abuse. So like women and black

790
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: women and women of colored girl, that's like that's like

791
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be all bread and butter, Like right, well,

792
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: you know we were talking about survivors of color, so

793
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: maybe that was the issue. She didn't like it. She's like,

794
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: are you only talking about women of color? Or we

795
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: were like yeah, yeah, like way you only talk about

796
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: white women? Apparently exactly. Yeah. I know she wasn't a fan.

797
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: But that's how you know sometimes that you're doing a

798
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: job well done, because it reveals something when they get upset,

799
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: it's like, okay something something hit. Yeah good absolutely, yeah good. Yeah,

800
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: but any means so bad. Ladies, What can we expect

801
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: next from you? Where can our folks and our listeners

802
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: find you and follow you and support the project? Um So,

803
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: we have just started our newest season. I think we're

804
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: like three or four episodes in um so you can

805
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: definitely expect some new guest episodes were lining up some

806
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: exciting UH interview guests for for the new season. We're

807
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: trying to dig deeper, like talk about some more even

808
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: more intense baggage and how we're dealing with it because

809
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: she is getting real, so you know, the effort has

810
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: to be there. Um And you can find us on

811
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Speaker 1: Twitter at BG bag Underscore Ladies. You can find us

812
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: on Instagram at BG Ladies. You can go to our

813
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: website BG Ladies dot com. We are on SoundCloud, iTunes, Spotify,

814
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: all of the podcast apps um as Big Ladies. Yeah,

815
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: so definitely like come listen to us. We have mad

816
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: episodes from years past. Or if you want to, like

817
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: get on a binge, like, go for it. We will

818
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: be We talk a lot of ship. Well, thank you

819
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: so much for chatting with us today. We hope that

820
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: we can meet in the flesh very soon either y'all

821
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: in New York. We would love yes Coast West Coast

822
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: link up. Thank you for having us. Absolutely We've been

823
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: wanting to do this interview for a long time, so

824
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm really happy that we were able to do this.

825
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We love you. Yes, we love

826
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Speaker 1: you back. Thank you, thank you so much. Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Proxima Bessie us