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Speaker 2: He's Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback, their senior NFL reporter,
Speaker 2: and he joined joints us from Florida the owner's meetings.
Speaker 2: There's a lot on the table, a lot on the agenda.
Speaker 2: Let me start with the tush push. When is that
Speaker 2: being voted on today?
Speaker 3: I'm they're in the room now doing their votes, so
Speaker 3: that could come down, you know, anytime I'd say over
Speaker 3: the next I would say within an hour, an hour
Speaker 3: and a half will probably know.
Speaker 2: One way or the other. What's your sense? My senses?
Speaker 2: There's a ton of argument, you know in the room.
Speaker 3: Oh brit and I Oh you know Howie rosemans for
Speaker 3: the room the other day and basically asked for the
Speaker 3: injury data and when they said, well, there isn't really
Speaker 3: any injury data. There haven't been injuries on it, he
Speaker 3: then said, okay, well give me the difference in injuries
Speaker 3: between this and a conventional quarterback sneak.
Speaker 2: And they couldn't do that.
Speaker 3: Doctor Allen Sale's the chief medical officer for the lead,
Speaker 3: then said like, well, you know, we're what we're worried
Speaker 3: about based on the posture is that this can this
Speaker 3: could create a catastrophic you know, or a catastrophic head
Speaker 3: and spine injuries, you know. And then you know, Mike
Speaker 3: Rabel and Jim Harbaugh actually you know, spoke up and
Speaker 3: you know, got into what the rule was, how specifically
Speaker 3: written it is like it's written about you know, it's
Speaker 3: written in a way where it's you know it it uh,
Speaker 3: it applies to pushing behind the center. So Rabel asked, well,
Speaker 3: what if the quarterback is running behind the guard?
Speaker 4: Can you push them?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 3: And Harball came up with the ideas like, well, what
Speaker 3: if I put to extra alignement And this would be
Speaker 3: the most Harbaugh formation ever. I think, what if I
Speaker 3: put two extra linemen behind the guards, had them pushed
Speaker 3: the guards and not touch the quarterback. So there's been
Speaker 3: healthy debate. I just think, I I my sense right now,
Speaker 3: Dan is if the commissioner really wants to get this
Speaker 3: thing through. And I'm a little more certain where he
Speaker 3: stands and the kickoffs than I am on this. If
Speaker 3: if the commissioner really wants to get it through, maybe
Speaker 3: he tables it and they tweak it and work it
Speaker 3: a little bit and vote it again. And I don't
Speaker 3: know that they have the twenty four votes right now
Speaker 3: to get it through and ban it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my feeling that at first I thought
Speaker 2: there just felt like there's at this groundswell and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, there's a lot of you got to
Speaker 2: get it out of the game. And then one of
Speaker 2: my sources said, there's no data, Like they're searching for
Speaker 2: data that's not there. They're desperate to find that, and therefore,
Speaker 2: if you don't have that data, it's really hard to
Speaker 2: say we're going to create a rule, get it rid
Speaker 2: of a rule because of one team.
Speaker 3: And that's that's my problem with it, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, It's like, why should we be getting rid
Speaker 3: of something because one team is really.
Speaker 2: Good at it? You know, what are the other things
Speaker 2: that have been or will be decided or voted on today.
Speaker 3: So the overtime, the overtime proposal passed, which basically makes.
Speaker 2: Hold on second, Albert, we've got a little breakup in
Speaker 2: your connection there, so we'll come back to you, so
Speaker 2: I'd see if you can help Albert with his connectivity there.
Speaker 2: By the way, the men's final four the odds Houston
Speaker 2: was a four and a half point underdog. They're now
Speaker 2: a five and a half point underdog against Duke, and
Speaker 2: Florida is still two and a half point favorite against Auburn. Yes,
Speaker 2: this is a terrible day to be doing all this
Speaker 2: voting and announcing all the sea April fools.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was just an ESPN just had a thing
Speaker 6: that said breaking news NFL both teams will get the
Speaker 6: ball in overtime.
Speaker 2: Well this and that. I didn't even bother reading it
Speaker 2: all because I'm like, I don't even know if this
Speaker 2: is true. I really have no idea. Well, you can
Speaker 2: joke about a lot of things, but nobody wants to
Speaker 2: joke about the NFL. It just feels like that that
Speaker 2: makes headlines and people would click on that. Yes, Paulie.
Speaker 2: One thing Albert said there.
Speaker 5: I didn't know the NFL had the power to do.
Speaker 2: If they don't feel like they had the votes, they
Speaker 2: could table this.
Speaker 5: To May and look at it again.
Speaker 2: I thought this was like deciding day.
Speaker 5: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just I don't know. It feels like,
Speaker 2: once again feels like the commissioner wants to take this
Speaker 2: out of the game. It's predictable esthetically not pleasing. You're
Speaker 2: in the entertainment business. There's no data that says that, hey,
Speaker 2: look at all of these injuries, Todd, did we reconnect
Speaker 2: with Albert. We'll see if it sounds a little bit better.
Speaker 2: So the overtime rule that was just passed, can you
Speaker 2: explain that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like basically, it's going to take what's been
Speaker 3: playoff overtime the last couple of years and make it
Speaker 3: overtime across the board. The original proposal actually pushed for
Speaker 3: a fifteen minute period. They tweaked that and moved it
Speaker 3: back to being a ten minute period, which I think
Speaker 3: is interesting because if you're the team that receives the kickoff,
Speaker 3: well you just immediately go into your four minute offense, right,
Speaker 3: Like wouldn't you immediately start running the clock. So that
Speaker 3: could add an interesting dynamic. My guess would be that
Speaker 3: they wanted to go to ten minute overtime because maybe
Speaker 3: the broadcast partners don't want to be pushing outside the
Speaker 3: normal window too far. And then you know, it's like
Speaker 3: adding place a game, which is a health and safety thing.
Speaker 3: The Lion's proposal got shot down to to take the
Speaker 3: automatic first down away from defensive holding an illegal contact,
Speaker 3: you know, and then the kickoff.
Speaker 4: I think it's the big.
Speaker 5: One or the other big one that that they're going
Speaker 5: to vote on.
Speaker 2: Here, now, what what is it that they're going to
Speaker 2: vote on?
Speaker 3: So it's to make the kickoff the obviously the new
Speaker 3: kickoff that they debuted last year, to make that permanent,
Speaker 3: and then there are some tweaks to that that they're
Speaker 3: trying to go through. And my understanding is that Roger
Speaker 3: really wants more returns. And the good news is, like
Speaker 3: the injury data that they have supports that this has worked.
Speaker 3: Is you know, what they're saying is is that the
Speaker 3: the injury data shows that it's about the same injury
Speaker 3: right now on a kickoff as you have on a
Speaker 3: on a on a on a normal play from scrimmage.
Speaker 2: So like that part's good.
Speaker 3: They've feel like too many teams were kicking into the
Speaker 3: end zone. So you know, like with the touchback being
Speaker 3: at the thirty, they it's been proposed they moved the
Speaker 3: touch back to the thirty five. Now, you know, I
Speaker 3: know some coaches are very against that, and so well,
Speaker 3: why don't we just move the kicker back five yards?
Speaker 3: So it's hard for the kicker to reach the end zone,
Speaker 3: but the goal here for Goodell seems very much to
Speaker 3: to find a way to create more kickoffs and to
Speaker 3: get to get more to create more kickoff returns. And
Speaker 3: you know, I think there's been enough argument about the
Speaker 3: different formations and again like the different tweaks that I
Speaker 3: do think there's a chance that Roger will look at
Speaker 3: this and say we should table this until May and
Speaker 3: like go and work through all of the tweaks and
Speaker 3: decide what's right for this year and then vote again.
Speaker 7: On it May.
Speaker 2: What about the onside kick?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the on side kick is that would allow
Speaker 3: and this is just a common set. I don't know
Speaker 3: why they lied to the fourth quarter. I don't know
Speaker 3: why they limited.
Speaker 4: It to you have to be behind, to be honest
Speaker 4: with you, I maybe they they they I mean it
Speaker 4: is a more dangerous place, and maybe they wanted to,
Speaker 4: you know, make sure that there were a fewer of them.
Speaker 4: But yeah, what they would do now is I think
Speaker 4: you still have to be behind. But but the onside
Speaker 4: kick would be about in all fourth quarters.
Speaker 3: Obviously you have to declare it because it's a completely
Speaker 3: different formation and play than than I if I kick off.
Speaker 2: I know you're busy. Thank you for spending time Albert anytime,
Speaker 2: Dane appreciate it. That's Albert Bringer, the Monday Morning quarterback
Speaker 2: senior NFL reporter. Tried to get a better connection there,
Speaker 2: but uh, sorry about that, but Albert gonna have a
Speaker 2: busy day and uh try to have him on again.
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Speaker 2: Adam Lefco NBA on TNT Inside the NBA he hosts
Speaker 2: on Tuesday Night. He's also I got a big podcast
Speaker 2: with Shank Turner's Sports March Madness studio host. He does
Speaker 2: it all? Does it all? How's the ego? I mean,
Speaker 2: you know you're getting a lot of run now, people
Speaker 2: know your name. You're talking to big time celebrities. Thanks
Speaker 2: for taking time out for this little show.
Speaker 5: People stop me in the airport. It took a hit
Speaker 5: in a good way.
Speaker 2: Do they stop you in a good way?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they say, hey, stop running into the idiots. No,
Speaker 5: my ego took a huge hit after I came in
Speaker 5: here and I talked about Angel Reese and I argued
Speaker 5: with you and then the internet did stuff, and then
Speaker 5: you didn't have me on your show for like eight months,
Speaker 5: and then I would occasionally text you and be like, man,
Speaker 5: Caitlyn Clark is so good. Just trying to appease your
Speaker 5: what I thought was the ego.
Speaker 2: And so no, I just I thought I gotta be
Speaker 2: honest with you, though, Adam, I didn't know that you
Speaker 2: were doing it for a reason when you would just
Speaker 2: randomly sign.
Speaker 5: I wanted to talk to you, Dan, you you.
Speaker 2: Would randomly send me a text going, man, that Caitlin
Speaker 2: Clark is phenomenal, and I'd be like, yeah, how am
Speaker 2: I supposed to answer that? Of course she is. Now
Speaker 2: I understand that you were trying to curry favor or
Speaker 2: trying to win me back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I rewatched the video and I was like,
Speaker 5: I think Dan was actually angry and no, so to
Speaker 5: know that maybe that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2: What was the argument were you? Were you defending Angel
Speaker 2: Reese and I thought I.
Speaker 5: Was talking Angel Reese. It was like stock was at
Speaker 5: the very highest, like they had won eight in a row,
Speaker 5: and I was.
Speaker 9: Like, I don't know, Dan, she might win Rookie of
Speaker 9: the Year, and you were like, idiot, I've been in
Speaker 9: sports for seventy years, but I love you and I
Speaker 9: mission all right, well, glad to have you back.
Speaker 5: You're hoodie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Adam Sandler, Happy Gilmore hoodie.
Speaker 5: Wow. By the way, you got to wear that like
Speaker 5: what once a month. You can't wear that too often.
Speaker 2: I know I probably gone to it a little too
Speaker 2: often because you know, people go, yeah, he got the
Speaker 2: lime green. My daughter's in New York and she's walking
Speaker 2: along the West Side Highway where they have basketball courts
Speaker 2: tennis courts. She looks over and she sees somebody in
Speaker 2: a floral shirt and baggy basketball shorts, and she calls
Speaker 2: me a FaceTime. She goes, Dad, Adam Sandler is playing
Speaker 2: a pickup game, and she facetimes me. So I'm watching
Speaker 2: Sandler for like five minutes on FaceTime, trying to yell
Speaker 2: at him. And it was, you know, he gathered a
Speaker 2: crowd there going pickup basketball, and he'll play anywhere with anybody,
Speaker 2: and he was in town for a charity thing.
Speaker 5: See we're watching We're watching random sixteen year olds on
Speaker 5: Twitch and there's millions of viewers. We should be streaming
Speaker 5: the Sandler pickup basketball. I would watch that on a
Speaker 5: Tuesday at two pm, I'm watching Sandler take down random bags.
Speaker 2: The why I'm in well, he sent me a picture
Speaker 2: the last time he was played in Lower Manhattan with
Speaker 2: Timothy Challo May. Yeah, and actually he said Chalomey's gone
Speaker 2: some game, So I'm like, that makes.
Speaker 5: Sense when I saw that. Timothy Shallamay on two separate interviews,
Speaker 5: one said his style icon is Kenny the Jet Smith
Speaker 5: and then said his dream role is playing Ernie Johnson
Speaker 5: in a biopick. I went, this dude is definitely one
Speaker 5: of the guys up at one am watching inside. Also,
Speaker 5: when did it become biopic and not biopicking? When did
Speaker 5: we make that switch?
Speaker 2: I have a problem with it as well. I thought
Speaker 2: it was it was biopick, but I've heard you know,
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 5: Because someone British probably said biopic and we went, well,
Speaker 5: they're always right?
Speaker 2: Are you okay? With the final four? The Heavyweight, I
Speaker 2: couldn't love it more.
Speaker 5: I've always been someone where I like, I wish we
Speaker 5: had more upsets than the round one, but I like
Speaker 5: all my upsets to happen in the round of sixty four.
Speaker 5: And then I like amazing basketball because at this point
Speaker 5: the ratings are going to be higher than they've ever been.
Speaker 5: The storylines right themselves. I think the Duke Houston game
Speaker 5: is going to be incredible. I mean, Houston member Jamal
Speaker 5: shed got hurt last year against Duke in the Sweet sixteen.
Speaker 5: They went out there, they retooled with u Zan and
Speaker 5: so the motivation from that side, the seniors versus the
Speaker 5: stud freshman, and on the other side you get the
Speaker 5: sec storyline battle that everyone's been obsessed with. This is
Speaker 5: the best case scenario, just like the twenty seventeen Final
Speaker 5: four was amazing as well.
Speaker 2: He's Adam lefco NBA on TNT Inside the NBA, also
Speaker 2: co host of The Big Podcast with Jack Dan Patrick
Speaker 2: Shut the Hell Up, Turner's Sports March Madness studio host
Speaker 2: as well. We have already trademarked this. We wanted to
Speaker 2: do tanking tops for like the Pelicans, they have to
Speaker 2: wear tanking tops because they're banking for flags.
Speaker 5: Like pennies, like a high school practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you must love them. You have to wear
Speaker 2: tanking tops in practice because tanking.
Speaker 5: Isn't obvious enough, then, like we need to make it
Speaker 5: more obvious when they're playing.
Speaker 2: Yes, as we want to shame them. Are the Sixers tanking?
Speaker 5: Yeah, like it seems like it. It seems like half
Speaker 5: the league is tanking because they too are watching the
Speaker 5: Final Four and seeing Cooper flag. This is the time
Speaker 5: of the year when everyone tries to solve tanking, and
Speaker 5: my solve is just watch games like Houston, LA and
Speaker 5: Minnesota Denver and just don't pay attention to them. I
Speaker 5: think it's do you change the weight of the lottery?
Speaker 5: Is if you're not in the lottery? Is everyone got
Speaker 5: a chance to have the first pick in the draft?
Speaker 5: It's the same thing. I'm an also an Eagles fan.
Speaker 5: Ban the tush push. It's I don't know. It just
Speaker 5: all seems unnecessary and excessive and arguing about, like the
Speaker 5: parts of sports that you act actually don't care about.
Speaker 2: What's left to be settled. With two weeks to go
Speaker 2: in the season, so right now.
Speaker 5: The West is a cluster in terms of seating, and
Speaker 5: I think everyone is either trying to face like if
Speaker 5: Houston gets the two seed, sort of like we had
Speaker 5: a few years ago where everyone was jockey to get
Speaker 5: seven to face Memphis because they were younger. That seems
Speaker 5: to be the jockey right now. I mean, you have
Speaker 5: some great teams in the West playing Minnesota's a dangerous team.
Speaker 5: The Clippers are showing to be a dangerous team. And
Speaker 5: then in the East, it's right now, one, two, three,
Speaker 5: looks set and then do the Pacers get the four?
Speaker 5: Where are the Bucks? That I would love to see? Bucks, Pacers,
Speaker 5: Piston's Knicks, I think is the best matchup in that
Speaker 5: middle ground. I don't think anyone's messing with Boston or Cleveland.
Speaker 5: But on the West, you're trying to avoid the thunder
Speaker 5: for as long as possible, and you're probably trying to
Speaker 5: take on Houston because they can't score in a half
Speaker 5: court offense. And like we saw with Memphis saw those years,
Speaker 5: you could be great in transition and offensive rebound, but
Speaker 5: once the playoffs start and it's called differently, if you
Speaker 5: can't score in a slow down game, they're going to
Speaker 5: be in trouble.
Speaker 2: Does the success of the Lakers hinge on them playing defense?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 5: And last night they put up one of three, I
Speaker 5: would say it is. I would say also it's the
Speaker 5: other three point shooters. Last night gave Vincent, Dori, Anthony
Speaker 5: Smith twelve threes combined and put up forty points and
Speaker 5: so Luca and Lebron are going to do their thing.
Speaker 5: I don't think we're going to get Austin Reeves dropping
Speaker 5: thirty points all the time. But who else can hit
Speaker 5: threes when Luca and Lebron dish? Because Luca's gravitational pull,
Speaker 5: as you know, is so strong, just like it was
Speaker 5: in Dallas. You need the Reggie Bullocks. You need those
Speaker 5: guys on the outside that can hit those three when
Speaker 5: it matters. Defensively, though, can we rely on lebron weak
Speaker 5: side blocks and the clutch every game? I don't think.
Speaker 5: So they went out and tried to trade for Mark Williams,
Speaker 5: the center for Charlotte, who just went off for another
Speaker 5: eighteen and thirteen. I don't know what happened with that
Speaker 5: injury scan, but they showed us right there they needed
Speaker 5: another big they didn't have it. And that's why for me,
Speaker 5: the Lakers run is more likely next year.
Speaker 2: The condition more all in on OKAC or Cleveland.
Speaker 5: Okay, See, that was the wrong Eastern Conference team to
Speaker 5: mention for me. I'm a Boston guy. I think that
Speaker 5: Boston right now is a little bit like Okac, where
Speaker 5: I feel like and I don't think they're intentionally arresting.
Speaker 5: But hey, Jalen Brown, you're off to that, just like Okay, see,
Speaker 5: hey Jalen Williams takes some more rest Boston right now,
Speaker 5: I would take over. I just I'm still I'm still
Speaker 5: I need to see it with Cleveland and I'm just
Speaker 5: boring like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I and the same thing with Okac. We still
Speaker 2: need to see it.
Speaker 5: I don't know why I have more faith in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's because and I know, Cleveland battle Boston and
Speaker 5: battle back, and I beaten Boston. I watched that okay
Speaker 5: see Boston game a few weeks ago with Chuck, and
Speaker 5: I was just I was flabbergaston, Like we were just
Speaker 5: sitting there watching Oklahoma City play defense and typically, like
Speaker 5: last night, Boston swing swing, swing, and by the fourth
Speaker 5: swing they caught you in a in a bad defensive shift.
Speaker 5: But Oklahoma City is five guys that can all switch.
Speaker 5: It's Lou Door, It's Caruso, both of their bigs, you know,
Speaker 5: Chetton Hartenstein can switch. And I think against Boston, you
Speaker 5: need to have that position versatility, and I think they
Speaker 5: have it, and I think, I don't know. I trust
Speaker 5: Dagnal a lot. I trust I do trust the thunder
Speaker 5: even though they haven't done it.
Speaker 2: Who's more interesting when the camera's not on Barkley or Shack?
Speaker 5: Interesting in different ways. Tuck is, so Chuck will go
Speaker 5: out in public and we'll interact with everybody, which I
Speaker 5: find in endeering but also wildly annoying because you're never
Speaker 5: going to get the story finished. So then Adam, as
Speaker 5: I was telling you, the key to life is, Oh,
Speaker 5: you want a picture? Okay, can you send them around
Speaker 5: to drinks? Yeah? Where are you from? Honey? That's great?
Speaker 5: And you're like where Shack is like, we're going to
Speaker 5: go into a private room by ourselves, and he's gonna
Speaker 5: you know, Shaq is going to tell you business stories
Speaker 5: about how he walked into a boardroom and was like,
Speaker 5: I'm sure, whereas Chuck is going to tell you a
Speaker 5: story about you know, Barcelona in ninety two. Very different people,
Speaker 5: but they're the best when they're together. You know, they're
Speaker 5: like they're peanut Butter and Jail.
Speaker 2: I like though that Chack didn't want money from a
Speaker 2: company he wanted part of the company he wanted.
Speaker 5: And now Chuck is finally in his equity bag. You know,
Speaker 5: now he's got Redmont and vodka and he's got all
Speaker 5: of this company beast. I want to know, you know,
Speaker 5: there's a there's a chill that goes through the halls
Speaker 5: of TNT when we get an alert that says Charles
Speaker 5: Barkley on the Dan Patrick Show today, And I just
Speaker 5: want to know, like, is this like the Manchurian candidate.
Speaker 5: Do you have like a little node in the back
Speaker 5: of his brain where you get him to say anything
Speaker 5: like what have you done to this man? How have
Speaker 5: you controlled his brain?
Speaker 2: One of the first times I met him, I did
Speaker 2: a Sunday conversation when he was fill Still No he
Speaker 2: was with Phoenix, although I did meet him when he
Speaker 2: was with the seventy six ers, But he talked about
Speaker 2: being a woman and I so we had somebody at
Speaker 2: ESPN kind of make him up as a woman and
Speaker 2: we use the picture on the Sunday conversation with him,
Speaker 2: and he got the biggest kick out of that. And
Speaker 2: then I like I would just see him and he
Speaker 2: stayed in touch, and it's always feels like like that's
Speaker 2: our normal conversation. If I'm around Reggie Miller, that'd be
Speaker 2: a normal conversation around Charles, normal conversation. So all I
Speaker 2: try to do is bring normalcy to something that isn't normal,
Speaker 2: and that's an interview over Zoom and Shack falls or
Speaker 2: Charles falls for it every time.
Speaker 5: It's I think he loves he loves talking to people.
Speaker 5: He loves to talk to is one. Both of those
Speaker 5: two people are are top two in terms of love
Speaker 5: being themselves. Chuck loves being Chuck and Shack loves being Shack,
Speaker 5: and they've earned that. But Chuck to a tea like
Speaker 5: last night, I thought would be funny because I hit
Speaker 5: a parleg and C and T and Chuck has yet
Speaker 5: to hit one this year, and that was my second,
Speaker 5: and so I was like, let me FaceTime. Chuck will understand,
Speaker 5: I know, and he picked it up and I knew
Speaker 5: I was in trouble then when he had his clear
Speaker 5: glasses and they were towards the edge of his nose,
Speaker 5: because as Chuck is out, they get further and further down,
Speaker 5: and then the talking gets louder and louder, and so
Speaker 5: I tried and he he got me, and then I
Speaker 5: facetied him afterwards, and all I heard was like ten
Speaker 5: dudes laughing, and I was like, where are you? He
Speaker 5: was like, oh, I'm out with the fellas. We were
Speaker 5: watching you, and when I saw you facetimed me, I
Speaker 5: was like, you knew and you still tried to end
Speaker 5: my life and he was like, yeah, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 5: Chuck Man language. He's the goat.
Speaker 2: Great job. I hope you're having fun.
Speaker 5: I'm having a blast. Can I ask you for advice?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 5: Did you ever cover like tennis, like extensively or just sportsinging?
Speaker 2: I reported on it, don't like the US Open, but
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything where it was, you know, like
Speaker 2: Chris Baller calling matches.
Speaker 5: Oh no, never come. We're hosts, Dan, We're not played
Speaker 5: by people. They're a whole weird. They like being on
Speaker 5: the road and staying in the counter lodges. That's not
Speaker 5: our lives. We like cushiness. We like someone that comes
Speaker 5: and puts our if feedback.
Speaker 2: Are you going to be a host?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm at the point where I'm thinking, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry to do March Madness, and I'm thinking about
Speaker 5: other sports? What about baseball, about tennis? Things like that?
Speaker 5: How what is when you start to go okay, I'm
Speaker 5: going to throw myself into another sport. I'm going to
Speaker 5: really study and learn. How do you how do you
Speaker 5: Dan Patrick, one of the greatest of all time, how
Speaker 5: do you throw yourself into a new sport?
Speaker 2: I throw it. I go into the deep end, but
Speaker 2: I go into the deep end with people who have
Speaker 2: been with the sport for a long long time, so
Speaker 2: they are my floaties. I'm in the deep end. But
Speaker 2: I have these guys Mike Millberry. When I did hockey,
Speaker 2: you know, you can just ask these guys. There's so
Speaker 2: many guys that, especially in that sport who want to
Speaker 2: help you, and that helped me greatly when I went
Speaker 2: to the Olympics. You throw yourself in with Bob Costace
Speaker 2: and al Michaels I have the greatest and you know,
Speaker 2: so now I just take I just listen. But if
Speaker 2: you're going to do that, be around people who have
Speaker 2: done this because they want to know if you're real
Speaker 2: or not. They and I just go in and I
Speaker 2: just say, hey, as if I don't know anything, help
Speaker 2: me understand these things. And you'll be amazed at how
Speaker 2: much help that you like. Doc Emrick, I just wanted
Speaker 2: to know how much he like, why do you love
Speaker 2: the game so much? And he gave me that Costas
Speaker 2: with the Olympic and get you know, you work so hard,
Speaker 2: you know, consecutive days. It's a grind working the Olympics.
Speaker 2: But he said, you'll get like it'll hit you and
Speaker 2: you'll get caught up in it and you'll just be
Speaker 2: on overdrive. You'll just be on adrenaline. And it was great.
Speaker 2: You know, those are very very beneficial. But as a result,
Speaker 2: I'm doing that now. When Tony Dungee and Rodney Harrison
Speaker 2: came in to football tonight, I said, I I want
Speaker 2: you to put your egos to the side. I'm going
Speaker 2: to help you learn TV. You know football, I'm going
Speaker 2: to help you with TV. And I think that's the
Speaker 2: important part is you can play a role to other
Speaker 2: you know, people coming up, but people will play a
Speaker 2: role with you to help you understand the nuance certain
Speaker 2: things you say and don't say. Terminology is really big.
Speaker 2: If somebody says, oh, you're in the bunker or you're
Speaker 2: in the sand trap, well it's like you get the
Speaker 2: you know, people who will watch the sport, he will
Speaker 2: go be, Oh, that guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: Oh he's out at home base. No, it's home place.
Speaker 2: You know, Silly things like that. But the more you're
Speaker 2: around people who love the sport and they're almost watchdogs,
Speaker 2: lifeguards for it, that'll help you. I think it was beautiful.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you, Dan. And hey, Caitlyn Clark MVP. Baby,
Speaker 5: you got it this year, Dan, this is the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think she's finally gonna get the credit that
Speaker 2: she's due.
Speaker 5: I just wish people would pay more, you know. I
Speaker 5: just feel like they need to watch her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5: I don't know where they're going to watch her or
Speaker 5: find her. I don't know if she's got any national TV,
Speaker 5: but she deserves.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Lefko, Love you. That's Adam Lefko.
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Speaker 2: Let's bringing Jeff Pains into the mother Ship. How did
Speaker 2: we get here, Jeff? Where torpedo bats are all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, all the rage? When was the first torpedo
Speaker 2: bat used in Major League Baseball in.
Speaker 7: The twenty twenty four season. I believe it was John
Speaker 7: Carlos sam And you know when he had that October
Speaker 7: that he had last year in seven home runs fourteen games,
Speaker 7: and like, I feel like a clown honestly that I
Speaker 7: didn't notice it because it's such a different implement right
Speaker 7: like you see it, especially with Jazz Chisholm. It just
Speaker 7: looks different, and clearly it's hitting different for some of
Speaker 7: these Yankees players. And fifteen home runs over the first
Speaker 7: three games. It's I mean, it was quite the showing
Speaker 7: by that team.
Speaker 2: What is the approval process for something like this that
Speaker 2: using this bat and then getting Major League Baseball to
Speaker 2: sign off on it.
Speaker 7: It's actually a lot simpler than you would think. There
Speaker 7: are forty one manufacturing companies that are allowed by Major
Speaker 7: League Baseball's approval process to make bats, and as long
Speaker 7: as you have bats within specific specs, it can't be
Speaker 7: longer than forty two inches, the battle can't be bigger
Speaker 7: than two point sixty one inches in diameter, the handle
Speaker 7: has to be I think point eighty six inches.
Speaker 5: As long as within those.
Speaker 7: Parameters and it remains a smooth cylinder. You can kind
Speaker 7: of distribute the wait however you want. And honestly, I'm
Speaker 7: surprised that it took this long for it to happen
Speaker 7: because the logic behind it that Aaron Leonard, who's now
Speaker 7: a coach with the Miami Marlins and was with the
Speaker 7: Yankees at the time, and as an MIT educated physics professor,
Speaker 7: like the logic that he had.
Speaker 5: It's kind of simple.
Speaker 7: Imagine a bat as something where you have a wood budget, right,
Speaker 7: you have a specific amount of weight and mass to
Speaker 7: distribute over this implement.
Speaker 5: How do you want to spend your budget?
Speaker 7: Where do you want to put the majority of the
Speaker 7: wood or the majority of the mass. It kind of
Speaker 7: makes sense to put it where you strike the ball
Speaker 7: most frequently, and that's about six or seven inches down
Speaker 7: from the end of the bat. And you know, it's
Speaker 7: it's like, this is such a baseball thing because we're
Speaker 7: caught up in the idea of what the is supposed
Speaker 7: to look like. And yet we're in an era where
Speaker 7: teams are looking for every tiny, minuscule marginal advantage imaginable
Speaker 7: because they understand that that one percent might be the
Speaker 7: difference between them winning a game and not winning a game.
Speaker 5: And so for them to do this, it was.
Speaker 7: Really just a matter of time. And more than that,
Speaker 7: this reminds me a lot of back when the Rays
Speaker 7: started using the opener. Right like any other organization you
Speaker 7: would have tried to do that with the pictures of
Speaker 7: what we're going to start a relief picture.
Speaker 5: What's what's the point of this? Like you need buy in.
Speaker 7: And that's where Aaron Leonard started this whole process. He
Speaker 7: went to players and he said, Okay, how do we
Speaker 7: counteract the incredible pitching that exists in baseball right now?
Speaker 5: Like what can we do? What would you like?
Speaker 7: And the players all got back to him and they
Speaker 7: said the same thing, we would like, like a bigger
Speaker 7: sweet spot. And so that's what they did. They went
Speaker 7: out and they made a bet or mouse trapped.
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's available for everybody, correct.
Speaker 7: Totally, absolutely, it's be I mean, we saw it with
Speaker 7: La Bella Cruz last night. You know, I had talked
Speaker 7: with a couple of bat manufacturers yesterday, like they've been
Speaker 7: preparing for this, Like they went around during spring training
Speaker 7: this year, and there was a whole lot more intrigue
Speaker 7: among players beyond just the Yankees, to the point where
Speaker 7: you know, all.
Speaker 5: Of them, all of the major ones.
Speaker 7: At least have the ability to now turn a bat
Speaker 7: like this on their leads.
Speaker 5: And so this is going to answer the poll question.
Speaker 7: This is going to be common, and this is going
Speaker 7: to be something that is the new normal in baseball now.
Speaker 5: Is everyone going to use it?
Speaker 7: No, of course not, because bats are all about feel.
Speaker 7: And if a guy orders a torpedo bat and he's
Speaker 7: all in on it and then he goes over six,
Speaker 7: you know, he might say, I'm going to throw this
Speaker 7: into the woodpile, burn it.
Speaker 5: I don't ever want to see it again.
Speaker 7: But guys who were finding success this early, they're they're
Speaker 7: going to lean into it. And I think I'm not
Speaker 7: going to say this is directly attributable to the torpedo bat,
Speaker 7: But it would not surprise me to see an increase
Speaker 7: in offense in baseball this year on account of better
Speaker 7: equipment and baseball.
Speaker 2: Can't you have a problem with that if there's more
Speaker 2: often No.
Speaker 7: No, it's just it's always a matter of balance, right,
Speaker 7: Like we've seen this in sports in the past. You know,
Speaker 7: when Stan Makita curves is stick back in the nineteen
Speaker 7: sixties and Bobby Hall was using a curve stick as well,
Speaker 7: the NHL had to put rules into place on curvature
Speaker 7: because too much imbalanced the game.
Speaker 5: When we saw.
Speaker 7: Swimmers wearing those full body suits in the Olympics and
Speaker 7: they were breaking world records all over the place. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 7: is this is this where we want our sport to
Speaker 7: go to a place where technology is not just taking over,
Speaker 7: but taking it to an area that we never imagined
Speaker 7: and that throws off that natural balance.
Speaker 5: So still was.
Speaker 7: Always monitoring that sort of thing, but considering where offense
Speaker 7: sam has gone in recent years, yeah, they can use
Speaker 7: an injection of it because pitching is so damn good
Speaker 7: these days.
Speaker 2: Talking to Jeff Passing, the ESPN Senior Baseball insider, speaking
Speaker 2: of pitching, I was wondering, I'm always of I guess
Speaker 2: the awareness of things will come back around, like rushing
Speaker 2: attempts in the NFL, like the running back would come back,
Speaker 2: and we saw that last year. I'm wondering if there's
Speaker 2: going to be a comeback for a starting pitcher but
Speaker 2: he's not starting a game. Let's say I start a
Speaker 2: game with relievers, but I get to the fourth inning,
Speaker 2: and now I bring in a guy who's built for
Speaker 2: the rest of the game. Because some pitchers like Mariona
Speaker 2: Rivera was not a starting pitcher, but he became the
Speaker 2: greatest closer of all time. Certain guys are really good
Speaker 2: at closing other guys. You know, hurt Shilling wasn't a
Speaker 2: good closer, became a great starter. So I wonder, could
Speaker 2: you see somebody who still keeps the love the workhorse
Speaker 2: pitcher in baseball.
Speaker 5: I think here's the flaw of that specific argument. I
Speaker 5: do believe to be clear that there is room for
Speaker 5: a workhorse starting pitcher.
Speaker 7: Still, I think it's going to take an organization that
Speaker 7: has a risk profile that trends more toward risky, because
Speaker 7: you know, pitchers get hurt, like that's the thing.
Speaker 5: But the issue I have with bringing a guy in in.
Speaker 7: The fourth inning is that by the time he's in
Speaker 7: the eighth or ninth, he's going to be going the
Speaker 7: third time through the order, right, And the beauty of
Speaker 7: relief pitching is that it's a new look, that you
Speaker 7: haven't gotten a chance to see this guy, and it's
Speaker 7: brand new stuff, and.
Speaker 5: You don't know what's humming that day, and you don't know.
Speaker 7: What might be a mediocre pitch that day, Like it's
Speaker 7: a fresh start. Whereas if you have that starter in
Speaker 7: in the fourth ending, you know the starter in the
Speaker 7: fourth inning, and bring him in by the end, he's
Speaker 7: going to be more hired generally, you know, unless you're
Speaker 7: like Prime justin Verland or the chrispness of your pitches
Speaker 7: are not quite the same in the latter innings as
Speaker 7: they were in the former. So and especially because those
Speaker 7: eighth and ninth innings are the highest leverage spots in
Speaker 7: the game, Like every run matters, right, A run in
Speaker 7: the first is equivalent to a run in the ninth.
Speaker 7: But when those twenty seven outs start taking down to
Speaker 7: twenty four and twenty one and eighteen and down to
Speaker 7: you know, nine and six and three, there's more value
Speaker 7: in that. There's more opportunity to win the game at
Speaker 7: that point, and that's when you want your freshest arms
Speaker 7: as opposed to guys who have been grinding through for
Speaker 7: one hundred pitches.
Speaker 2: What do we call the A's.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm happy to call them the West Sacramento A's,
Speaker 7: Like I know they don't want that, but we tend
Speaker 7: to have this thing in American sports where you have
Speaker 7: the city and then the nickname and not having one
Speaker 7: of those things, even with like the Reds concerning it
Speaker 7: to the Washington football team, like there's something after the city.
Speaker 7: So not acknowledging or recognizing the city. Outside of a
Speaker 7: patch on your shoulder, it's bush. But you know, that's
Speaker 7: kind of how the A's operate. It's some bush organization
Speaker 7: and they you know, they're squatting in a minor league
Speaker 7: ballpark for three years right now, and it's super weird.
Speaker 7: And that is the expected consequence of twenty years of
Speaker 7: failure to build a stadium where frankly they should have
Speaker 7: and where a stadium was warranted. But John Fisher wanted
Speaker 7: to go to Vegas, and I like, I get it.
Speaker 7: There's money to be made there, there's a stadium to
Speaker 7: be built there, but it's going to be a weird
Speaker 7: interim period.
Speaker 5: In the meantime.
Speaker 2: I hope they get to host a playoff game.
Speaker 5: Me too. I am with you on that. Did you
Speaker 5: see the media attend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look good, look very accommodating. We're calling them the
Speaker 2: Triple A's, so oh, I like that.
Speaker 7: But they're better than that. That's like, they're going to
Speaker 7: be a decent team this year.
Speaker 2: Here's a stat for you before I let you go.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five, Tony Gwynn had five hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty five plate appearances. He struck out fifteen times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, Rafael Deverral has struck out fifteen
Speaker 2: times in nineteen at bats.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could, you know, I love those numbers.
Speaker 7: I also think that comparing anyone to Tony Gwynn is
Speaker 7: badly unfair, because that guy, he was one of the kind.
Speaker 5: And I you know, I love modern baseball.
Speaker 7: I would love to drop Tony Gwynn into twenty twenty
Speaker 7: five to see what he.
Speaker 5: Would look like like.
Speaker 7: Would he have at all embraced the notion of launch
Speaker 7: angle and the exit velocity year? Would he just be
Speaker 7: like Luisa Riyes, perfectly happy to go around and just
Speaker 7: bat three twenty every year.
Speaker 2: I think Gwynn would probably bat three twenty, but he
Speaker 2: would hit thirty home runs.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he hit twenty home runs. And I mean,
Speaker 2: this is a guy who stole fifty bases in a season.
Speaker 2: I think he hit twenty home runs. I remember Wade
Speaker 2: bogs telling me if they want me to hit, if
Speaker 2: they wanted me to hit home runs, I would hit
Speaker 2: home runs. But there's no better guy in taking a
Speaker 2: ball to left field than Wade Boggs was. And that's
Speaker 2: what he was.
Speaker 5: Paid to do. And that's this goes full circle.
Speaker 7: Them with the torpedo bats, because the thing is when
Speaker 7: you redistribute the wood down to the sweet spot, that
Speaker 7: means there's less wood in other areas of that that
Speaker 7: do like make contact with the ball right. And so
Speaker 7: this is players saying that I am going to deprioritize
Speaker 7: contact for hard contact. I'm going to give up some
Speaker 7: of those balls that are just a little bit off
Speaker 7: the sweet spot in order for the other ones to
Speaker 7: be doubles and triples in home runs.
Speaker 5: And it's a.
Speaker 7: Very simple reason, because slug pays, and if you can
Speaker 7: hit the ball for power and have a high slugging percentage,
Speaker 7: you are going to get paid in arbitration, you are
Speaker 7: going to get paid in free agency. You are going
Speaker 7: to end your career in a much better position financially.
Speaker 7: Then somebody goes out and hits three twenty with a
Speaker 7: low slugging percentage.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you as always, Thank you, Jeff.
Speaker 7: Pleasure is mine, dam and the lime green my god.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, saying that's great,