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Speaker 1: What's that at the bed spooky? Hey Jukie, I'm really

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Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming to this way. Wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: I I love nandas police. Hey boom, it's me Roz

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where

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Speaker 1: I talk to people that I like about the paranormal.

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Speaker 1: I finally got to meet Sona mob Session, who you

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Speaker 1: may know from the wildly popular podcast Conan O'Brien needs

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Speaker 1: a friend. I love her. She is so easy to

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Speaker 1: talk to and we had a great time. We get

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Speaker 1: into superstitious. I talk about a new psychic power that

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Speaker 1: I truly believe I'm developing. I'm not kidding you. Before

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Speaker 1: we get to that conversation, I have a quicky little

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Speaker 1: ghost story. This one comes from Lux and this story

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Speaker 1: took place in Lawrence, Kansas. Lux writes our hotel in

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Speaker 1: Lawrence was called the Eldridge, And of course I had

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Speaker 1: an experience when I was on my own. The ghost

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Speaker 1: in question felt like a practical joker. He waited until

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Speaker 1: my husband was asleep and I had just shut the

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Speaker 1: French doors to the living room area. As I turned

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Speaker 1: I turned back, and right in front of my eyes,

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Speaker 1: they slowly creaked all the way open. I actually audibly

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Speaker 1: chuckled in disbelief and walked over to shut him again.

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Speaker 1: The next morning, I woke up and went to the

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Speaker 1: bathroom to get ready. When I tried to open the door,

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Speaker 1: it was locked. Assuming my husband was in there, I

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Speaker 1: pry the door open, but it wouldn't budge. We eventually

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Speaker 1: called maintenance, and as the guy unlocked it, he sighed

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Speaker 1: and said, this happens here all the damn time. Well, lucks,

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Speaker 1: I had to call it locksmith one time and it

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Speaker 1: a maintenance person, because then they probably had the keys.

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Speaker 1: But could you imagine the door's always locking because of

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Speaker 1: a damn ghost? Love it, Thank you, LUs, and of

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Speaker 1: course if you have ghost stories, send him on in.

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Speaker 1: That was a nice, short and sweet one. I liked

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Speaker 1: it all right. Before we get to this conversation, of course,

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Speaker 1: I got a plug that I am going on tour

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Speaker 1: doing some stand up comedy about lots of topics, probably

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Speaker 1: not ghosts, maybe just a slight bit. But I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be in LA and I am working on dates honestly,

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Speaker 1: all across America. Not as many as I did last year,

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Speaker 1: but I'll be doing some, So keep your eyes open, definitely.

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Speaker 1: You can find those dates on my Instagram at roz Hernandez. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here we go. It is time for my conversation with

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Speaker 1: sonap Movsessian on with the show. So, Hi, thanks for

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Speaker 1: being here, thanks for having me. I you know, I

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Speaker 1: recently saw Conan. I recently met Conan. Actually I didn't

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Speaker 1: because you know he's been like doing stand up like

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Speaker 2: He's been out there, he's been in the streets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was doing this show I love called

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Speaker 1: the Peacock Show in Atwater Village and I showed up

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Speaker 1: and it was like packed, and I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I think I'm starting to like, I think

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Speaker 1: the bumper stickers are working. I'm starting to get more famous.

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Speaker 1: All these people here, and then they were like Conan's here,

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Speaker 2: But how do they know because he usually just drops in.

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Speaker 1: I think what it was, there's there's a room where

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Speaker 2: He's gigantic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pale and he's like tall.

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Speaker 2: He's like a he is like an apparition. He's just

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Speaker 2: He tries when when we've got out once a couple

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Speaker 1: You need to like do that scene from Missus Doubtfire,

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Speaker 1: So you were telling me that your family, you grew

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Speaker 2: Just one, which is weird because then I had twins.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, I don't know if the power

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Speaker 2: even like all the IVF medication. It was my mom

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Speaker 1: Does it work for like people you're not related to, like,

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Speaker 2: Again, she didn't fully explain it to me, but I know,

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Speaker 2: I know it's about timing in the month. I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then she.

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Speaker 2: Did it for my friend and my friend had a baby.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if we buried this Liberachi doll, if I'll

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Speaker 2: I just saw this Liberachi doll. Yeah, that's exquisite.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch the movie Behind the Candle Obera? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I watched Behind the Candalaber.

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Speaker 2: Why am I fixing his cape?

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Speaker 1: You know it's very tempting, very you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: going to bury LIBERACEI and see if I get pregnant?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Okay? He's property of exactly right studios.

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Speaker 1: A gift to you, Roz.

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Speaker 2: And it's a woman's right to choose what to do

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Speaker 2: with her body and her dolls and the Liberaci. The Liberaci.

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Speaker 2: You could put it in a bag and then do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?

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Speaker 1: Wait. So this reminds me of because I grew up Catholic,

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Speaker 1: and there's something that some Catholics do. My mother is

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Speaker 1: of the saints. I can't remember which one. They bury him.

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Speaker 1: If they're trying to sell a house, and my mother

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Speaker 2: No, really does it work?

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Speaker 1: They say it works? And I actually one time went

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Speaker 1: They're having fun with that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm fine. I am totally fine with that.

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 2: Maybe they probably sold the car.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you right now, if I get pregnant, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm selling Liberati dolls. Yes, absolutely, yeah. So yeah, now

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Speaker 2: I think that there's some culture involved in it. But

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Speaker 2: of which really yeah, there's like Armenian. She's Armenian.

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Speaker 2: stat they didn't have the saints, they didn't have the

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Speaker 1: That feels very Have you seen uh shit, what's the

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Speaker 1: movie with the kids like this Weapons? Weapons?

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Speaker 2: I just saw it last week.

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Speaker 1: She's got the stick. Yeah, that's what it feels like.

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Speaker 2: It's very stick Like. I know, my mom's out there

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Speaker 2: doing voodoo. And then these people are just falling out

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Speaker 1: Is that the building we've been trying to buy? Just kidding,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, I want to figure out who this

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Speaker 1: saint is real quick, just.

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Speaker 2: Because because your mom will call you.

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Speaker 1: I need to call out. Yeah, anything to not have

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Speaker 1: that woman call me. Saints? Uh, what do I say

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Speaker 1: in saint that helps sell house? Saint Joseph? Oh, now

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Speaker 1: that's different from the guy Jesus's dad right or stepped out?

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Speaker 2: His name was Joseph.

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Speaker 1: Did you grow up with religion?

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Speaker 2: I was a CEO, your churchgoer, where it was Christmas

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Speaker 2: I did it, you know, go every Sunday.

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Speaker 1: No, that's the way.

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Speaker 1: I know, I I'm so My nose keeps running and

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Speaker 2: Do you believe? Do you believe in people? Like? That's what?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, huge thing. I have an evil eye

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Speaker 1: Well, if you're a public figure, it's like, how can

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think you know, there's a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: God, I'm so sorry that happened to you. It's okay.

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Speaker 2: Last year was a sad year. This year is a

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Speaker 1: Damn. I know. Yeah, because I have them all, I

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Speaker 2: I haven't. It feels intimidating. Crystals is like it's a

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Speaker 2: But you go to a crystal place, you have a

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Speaker 2: But how many different crystals can you get? Like? What

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Speaker 1: It will never be enough? Really?

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Speaker 1: You're reminding me that that's something I should do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, but I have everything that will protect me

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Speaker 2: I believe it all. I really do you need to

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Speaker 1: So you have twins, I do.

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Speaker 2: They're going to be five in July, and they're two

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Speaker 1: Now are they telekinetic?

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Speaker 2: Yet they speak a language? They do? They speak a

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Speaker 2: So it could just be gibberish that all four year

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Speaker 1: It, right. And I think the debate because I'm obsessed

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Speaker 2: Oh that's craz I do think that happens probably more

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Speaker 1: These are yours?

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Speaker 2: Are not mine? Are fraternal mine?

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Speaker 1: Or two?

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Speaker 2: Like they're very different. They're just like two brothers that

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Speaker 1: That's so funny.

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Speaker 2: It's so weird, I know, but they are. I mean

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Speaker 2: kid friendly kind of, you know place, And he yelled this,

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00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: and I just remember thinking, are these the boys I raised?

441
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: And then I remembered how many times I say like

442
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: Dick and Jizz and ass On on the podcast I

443
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: were gone with conis sure, and I'm like, they're my children.

444
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: They're disgusting. They talk about poople and peep and farts

445
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: and dicks and stuff like, well, that's good, that's just

446
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: who they are. And I have to embrace that, you know,

447
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: and I do. I embrace it.

448
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: I think that's beautiful.

449
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 2: I'm proud of them.

450
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear the coincidences when they get older.

451
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: Because let me tell you a story. Yeah, have you

452
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: ever heard of the Gym Twins? No, g I am

453
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: not Gym. I am yeah Jim, like their name works

454
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: was Jim. I'm obsessed with this. We have talked about

455
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: this before on the podcast, but I just wanted to

456
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: bring it up real quick because it's a quick one.

457
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: So basically, these two twins were separated at birth. I'm

458
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: just gonna pull from This is from the University of

459
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: Minnesota Center for Twin and Family Research. Oh, this is

460
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: from their website. Hey, so they talk about the Jim twins.

461
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: So in nineteen seventy nine, there was a study by

462
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: someone named TJ. Bouchard, and he was talking about these

463
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: two toys. He was researching these two twins. They were identical,

464
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: so they were separated at birth. When they were brought

465
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: back together, here's some things that they realized about each other.

466
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: They were both married to women named Betty and divorced

467
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: from women named Linda. What both of them? I mean,

468
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: obviously they were grown adults. I don't know how old

469
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: they were. Oh, they were thirty nine years old. One

470
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: has named his first son James Allen A l A N.

471
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: The other named his first son James A L l

472
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: A N. They both had sons named James. Their first

473
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: sons were both named James Allen. That's crazy. They both

474
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: have an adopted brother named Larry what they both named

475
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: their pet dog Toy. They both had some law enforcement

476
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: training and had been part time deputy sheriffs in Ohio.

477
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: They each did poorly at spelling and well in math.

478
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: Each did carpentry, mechanical drawing, and letter blocking. Each vacation

479
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: in Florida in the same three block long beach area,

480
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: and both twins began suffering from tension headaches at eighteen.

481
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: They gained ten pounds at the same time and are

482
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: six feet tall and one hundred and eighty pounds. Exactly,

483
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: stop it, stop it. So that's where it's like, there's

484
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: something to that. It's not just I mean, how can

485
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: that that's not a.

486
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: Well can you imagine having a carbon copy of yourself

487
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: just walking around?

488
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: Especially these guys would vacation in Florida and the same

489
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: three block radio.

490
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: Why do they never see each other?

491
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: I know that's and I've heard series of twins getting

492
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: that have been separated at birth or whatever, where someone

493
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: like waves to them and they're like, who is that

494
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: And then they realize it's because the person knows the twin.

495
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: What you should do is a fun thing. Now, again,

496
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: it might not work if they'd I.

497
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: Know, it's not fun when they're fraternal.

498
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: You never know. There's like a challenge that I've seen

499
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: people do on TikTok where they take a door and

500
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: they open the door so that it's just sticking out

501
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: and they put one twin on one side and one

502
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: on the other so they can't see each other. Oh yeah,

503
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: and they'll say, uh, put your hand, like touch your

504
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: nose or whatever, and see if they do the same

505
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: finger same. Oh that's interesting. Just tell them different things

506
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: to do.

507
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fun. I know when they are fraternal, it

508
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: really isn't as like fun, do you know what I mean?

509
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: I know, But like, I'm fascinated by identical twins because

510
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: they're just literally two of the same persons.

511
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: What I'm fascinating. I'm fascinated by the ones that are

512
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: grown ups that dress the exact same you know what.

513
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: I've seen that, and I don't like judging people, but

514
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: I'm judging those I don't. I don't. Everyone was like,

515
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: it'll be just so much easier if you dress your

516
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 2: kids up the same, and I was like, it's not, though,

517
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: it's not easy. You have to put effort into dressing

518
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: the same.

519
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because you're like, Okay, I found the pants

520
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: for this outfit, but where are they for the for

521
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: the other one?

522
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, when one is dirty, so now they can't dress

523
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: the same. They plan that those adults plant well, of course,

524
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: and that's that's that's a that's a lot of planning

525
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: just to look the exact same, I know. And they

526
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: have the same hair. You could have long hair and

527
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: your brother, you know, brother, maybe you're you know, you're

528
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: you're your your twin can have.

529
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: But maybe it's like the gym twins. They both go

530
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: shopping separately and they picked the exact same that's nowhere.

531
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: It's also very parent trap. Totally, isn't it very parent trap?

532
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: Because also how do they look this?

533
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: You really?

534
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: I just can't who raised them? Who raised these boys?

535
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: Adopted families?

536
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: They just adopted them.

537
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: I did some research and found out that you're from

538
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: the Hacienda Heights area.

539
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: I sure am.

540
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: Do you know about the gates the how I've heard

541
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: of the Turnbull Canyon? Oh?

542
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, is that what they call it?

543
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: Now? Well, there's a lot of things. I think it's

544
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: like an urban legend.

545
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: I know that very well. And when you drive there,

546
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: you can kind of get up. It's very windy in

547
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: the mountains.

548
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: So it's tell me about it. From what I.

549
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: Remember, Turnbull Canyon was a very ninety road in the mountains.

550
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: And I said that, and I just repeated it, and

551
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: I just realized I have nothing more to say about it.

552
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: It's a cursed area.

553
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people die there.

554
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people have died. There's been some gruesome murders,

555
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: but people and then there's like a building where there's

556
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: a gate to hell. I don't know, there's barbed wire

557
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: like on the inside. So people are like, who are

558
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: they trying to keep in there? Nobody knows what this

559
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: land is, but people say it used to be insane asylum.

560
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: But it's like, wouldn't we know that for a fact? Like, yeah,

561
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. But either way, it literally goes back

562
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: to early early the Tongueva people that were there, they

563
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: believe that there that this land is cursed. There's there

564
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: was even a flight in the fifties, nineteen fifty two,

565
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: there were I think it was twenty nine people on

566
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: this flight crashed. Shut up. They all died.

567
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: At Turnbull Canyon. Yep, I didn't know that. I feel

568
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: like everyone had a friend who had a friend who

569
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: died at Turnbull Canyon. Like that's how it was when

570
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: we were growing up. Yeah, everyone knew someone who knew

571
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: someone who knew someone totally who had died at Turnbull Canyon.

572
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: And it was usually just because like they lost control

573
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: of their car or something weird happened. It was definitely creepy.

574
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever been there, it's very creepy.

575
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: When you go there, it's like it it's like not

576
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: very well lit, and it's you know when you get there,

577
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: because it's like it feels weird, but it's I haven't

578
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 2: been there in decades.

579
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: So obviously people think it's very haunted. Oh definitely, there's

580
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: been all these deaths. Yeah, so you know, you can

581
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: hear sounds like some of the people, uh, like where

582
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: the airplane crash was, you can hear sounds of what

583
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: sounds like a bomb going off. Or steel hitting the hillside,

584
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: people see billows of smoke, people hear screams, you know,

585
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: just all kinds of stuff like that.

586
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. I remember that. When

587
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: I was growing up, Turnbull Canyon was like it was

588
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: I really tried to avoid it during the nighttime because

589
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: I was genuinely afraid of it.

590
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: Were you was that like the local urban legend?

591
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is also weird because there's a Buddhist temple

592
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: in Hacienda Heights and a mile around the Buddhist temple

593
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: is supposed to be holy land. But I don't think

594
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: that covered turn Bulghini.

595
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: There's yeah, there's there's a line in the sand.

596
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was a big so there's Hassian Heights

597
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: is not known for a lot of stuff. The Point

598
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: A Hills Mall was the Twin Pines Mall in Back

599
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: to the Future. That's a big that was a big

600
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: thing for us. Yes, Fergie went to my high school

601
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: and turn Bulcanyon is haunted. Like those are the three

602
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: things you need to know about Hacienda Heights.

603
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: Daisy Ferguson.

604
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, Yes, the Fergie went to my high school.

605
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: Good for you, I know, I know it's a big moment.

606
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: Can I show you a haunted doll?

607
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: Yes?

608
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: Okay, this is something we do on this show, is it?

609
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: Can we bury it in the under a bush?

610
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: Well, it's currently up for sale on eBay, so if

611
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: we wanted to, we would have to spend forty nine

612
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: ninety nine.

613
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, it's.

614
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: A little bit of an investment. It's time for the

615
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: dolls are living. Okay. So what I do is I

616
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: go to eBay dot com. I type in the words

617
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: haunted doll. There's hundreds, if not thousands at all times

618
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: that are going for sale.

619
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

620
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: They come with biography. They range in all different price ranges.

621
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: This one right here, forty nine ninety nine. Her name

622
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: is Rochelle. Geeha shows Rochelle. She'll pop up on the screen.

623
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Rochelle. Okay. So Rochelle looks sad. She's got

624
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: a little poudy face.

625
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: Why would they make a sad doll?

626
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: I wonder this constantly.

627
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: Why why are we making a doll with that face?

628
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: I know?

629
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: Oh god, it's worse when it's standing.

630
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: Oh that's a rosary that they have in front of it.

631
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: They have a rosary that they laid down in front

632
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: of her just to sort of keep her in place.

633
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: I guess she's just like.

634
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: A good place.

635
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was a little security system. She's

636
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: got like a little roughly dressed on with a pant

637
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: underneath and a bow in her hair, and she looks sad,

638
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: little toddler doll.

639
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: It's her expression that's really off putting.

640
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: That just feels like bad energy for your kid, Like

641
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: do you want your kid to be depressed? Like, I

642
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: feel like you need to have a fun doll for

643
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: your kids.

644
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: Also, who's working at a doll factory and is like, guys,

645
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: let's do one with this sad feet.

646
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's spice it up a little bit in

647
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: the office.

648
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 2: Happy is predictable, Yeah, all the dolls are happy. Let's

649
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: do one that just looks so deeply sad and is

650
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 2: on the verge of crying.

651
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's real show for you. So this doll was

652
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: found in a bunch of rubble. Allegedly, according to the

653
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: person selling this on eBay, they found this doll in

654
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: an abandoned mausoleum with human bones at the Saint raw

655
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: Roch rch Rock Roch whatever Cemetery in New Orleans. So

656
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: for some reason. They were rifling through an abandoned mausoleum

657
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: and they happened to go, oh, I could sell that

658
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: on eBay. That's oh my gosh. Yeah, there's a photo

659
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: of it. They claim. In all these bricks and everything,

660
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: they found her, and they someone was trying to get

661
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: rid of it. They circled it. They said, doll found here.

662
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: Someone was trying to get rid of that doll. I'm sure,

663
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: and I think probably for a reason.

664
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: Well, here's what it says about her. It says this

665
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: doll delights in torment and is very active. Rochelle is

666
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: said to be a deeply malevolent, haunted doll whose presence

667
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: unsettles even the bravest skeptics. Late at night, when the

668
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: house falls silent, she mimics human speech in a low,

669
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: uneven way, whisper, sometimes repeating phrases she has heard during

670
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: the day, other times forming chilling sentences on her own.

671
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: Those who have kept her claim that an overpowering odor

672
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: often follows her activity and nauseating, a nauseating blend of

673
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: pig feces and damp barnyard hay that seems to seep

674
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: into the air without any visible source.

675
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: Oh my, God.

676
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: Also, at times, unexplained wetness has been discovered near the doll.

677
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: What.

678
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's about. Uh, she is active

679
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: if she's placed near food. Same and she has found

680
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: proposed Uh wait, she has been found propped beside kitchen tables, pantries,

681
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: left ajar, or sitting eerily close to fresh meals as

682
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: if drawn to them.

683
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god. There's people who do you? Do you

684
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: buy these dolls?

685
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: No?

686
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: Never, there's a lot of people I bet who like

687
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: have a hole like oh.

688
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you better believe if they post a video

689
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: of them, I'm tagged in it. People send them to

690
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: me constantly. Look at this person with their haunted dolls.

691
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: This she doesn't look like she'd be that.

692
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: Well, she looks hungry. Give her a snack. She does

693
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: look she's just hanging out at the pantry. Let her

694
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: have something, give her a triusk it or something.

695
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: Does look like she's kind of an asshole?

696
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: Oh of course. Yeah, Well that's an undoubtable. Can I

697
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: play use of ghost voices? Yes? Okay, it's time for

698
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: EV or EV please okay. EVP stands for Electronic voice phenomena.

699
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: This is like on ghost unting shows. When they capture

700
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: a ghost speaking, Oh I love that. So I go

701
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: to YouTube, another place where hundreds of people are posting things. Uh,

702
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: you can find electronic voice phenomena saying anything you want.

703
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: And I have found two for you today. This first

704
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: one I don't know the location, but it was posted

705
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: by someone named ave Avebury Eddie.

706
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: Soda.

707
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: What is this ghost saying? That's it yet?

708
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: Except one more time? What? What? What? One more? One

709
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: more chance? Give me one more chance?

710
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: Okay, that is not what Avebury Eddie thought. Okay did

711
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: they think it was a I'm on my bullshit? B

712
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: I want to fall asleep? See I won't sin.

713
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: Or d.

714
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: Girl? Who you talking to? Okay, it's one of those.

715
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: Well so wildly different.

716
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: I know, And it's one of them.

717
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: What's what there was one?

718
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: Is there?

719
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: One about cheese?

720
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: There wasn't one about cheese? No, what was there was

721
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: one with two e's asleep sleep? I want to fall asleep.

722
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 2: I want to fall asleep, is what I think?

723
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what they thought. Yes, okay, one for one. Okay,

724
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: here's the next one. This one was posted by oh

725
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: seven s taps and this is somewhere in the Garden

726
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: district of Lake Charles, Louisiana.

727
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet that place. It's hunting as fun.

728
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: Oh, you're about to see or hear what's it's saying. Okay,

729
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: now listen, there is some there's some stepping happening. You're

730
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: gonna listen. It's a very tiny little voice.

731
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna chuck you. I want to chuck you.

732
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: I want to chuck you. Yeah, chuck Chuck, Chucky, Chucky Chucky.

733
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: It's yeah.

734
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: Do they think it was a I'm kitchie, I'm kitch

735
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: b I'm gonna get you. Oh see, I'm in the.

736
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: Kitchen, okay, or d.

737
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: Hey, my name is Sarah and I'm a ghost and

738
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure you're okay. It's one

739
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: of those one.

740
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: More time I need to hear over. I'm gonna get you.

741
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you, that's what I think. But they

742
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: think it's in the kitchen.

743
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: No, they're wrong, though they know they're wrong.

744
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, listen, I kind of hear your kitchen, kitchen

745
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: get you? Yeah, whatever, Uh you got something? Oh seven taps,

746
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: good job for you. Okay, we're gonna do one last thing. Oh,

747
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: I just want to kind of take an inventory, take

748
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: a little survey. See what you think about different topics

749
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: that are in this conversation. Maybe you have a story,

750
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: maybe you just you don't believe it, you do, I

751
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: don't know. Let's see. Okay, what do you think about synchronicities?

752
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: Like you do you read into thinks? Like, okay, these

753
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: coincidences with the twins, like yeah, do you just go

754
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: that's crazy or do you are you like there's something there.

755
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: It's not just with my twins, but when my friends.

756
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I do have a story.

757
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: Oh good.

758
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: So my my best friend growing up is this girl Michelle,

759
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: and she's still a good friend of mine. Her mom

760
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 2: was a bit of a psychic, like she just understood things.

761
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: Did she charge people or she just had the skull?

762
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: She didn't charge us because we were her daughter's friends,

763
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: so she would.

764
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: Like actually charge other people.

765
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: I think that she was someone people sought out for information.

766
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: I don't know that side of her, but I just

767
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: know that when we were there, she would read our

768
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 2: tarot cards. She would like tell us what she envisioned

769
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: for us, which she saw for us in the future,

770
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. She was a very very cool

771
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: She's still is. She's a very cool lady. But one

772
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: day I was I had a sleepover at Michelle's house

773
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: and I'm drifting off into and she had this poster

774
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: of dolphins over her bed and I'm drifting off into

775
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: sleep and she's drifting off into sleep, and I said

776
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: something about, like, Michelle, what did you just say? And

777
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: she said to me, she goes, I was talking about

778
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: the dolphins, and we were both we both woke up

779
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: and I was like, did you just have a dream

780
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: about dolphins? And She's like I did. Did you just

781
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 2: have a dream about dolphins? And I said yes, And

782
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: we had the same exact dream. And we go to

783
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: her mom and we're like, Auntie Victoria, what just happened

784
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: to us? We both had the same like. We explained

785
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: a little bit more about the dreams. There was like dolphins.

786
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: We were walking and she and I were having a

787
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: conversation with each other, and then at a certain point

788
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: in the conversation, I said it out loud and she

789
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: responded to me out loud. But we were like talking

790
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: to each other in our dream, and Auntie Victoria was

791
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: like very matter of fact, she was very chill about it.

792
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: She was like, oh, your soul's just had a conversation

793
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: with each other.

794
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: Oh, And I was like, oh, okay, does that mean yeah?

795
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 2: I wanted her to elaborate, but I also didn't want

796
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 2: to sound like a door can be, Like, I'm sorry,

797
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,959
Speaker 2: can you explain what that means? When souls have conversations

798
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: with each.

799
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: Other and you would think it would be more important

800
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: than just like your soul being like, hey, yeah, the dolphin.

801
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: And I think I was like thirteen or fourteen, and

802
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: so when she said it to me, I was like,

803
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, cool, But in my head

804
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know what that means, but

805
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: it sounds cool.

806
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

807
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: And she was just saying, you and Michelle are very close.

808
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: You guys are very good friends, and your souls just

809
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: talk to each other on some other plane and.

810
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: Then sometimes that like bleeds in.

811
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: And sometimes it bleeds in. Yeah, And I was like,

812
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: whatever you say, Oh, yeah, because you're the coolest person

813
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 2: I've ever met.

814
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: Cool. Well, we found out that we used to live

815
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: next to each other. That's kind of the gym twins

816
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: that we are. Okay, wait, wait what am I thinking

817
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: about right now? And I'm going to tell you I'm

818
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: thinking about an animal. Just see if you can connect.

819
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: Let me pick one. Wait, okay, a Leamur. Okay, we're

820
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: not the gym twins.

821
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: Elephants, Okay, elephant was my self. I don't even know

822
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: why I said Lemur, Like no one thinks of a

823
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: lemur steamer, I know, I don't know.

824
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: Why.

825
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: Is that the ones with the eyeshadow there eyeshadow and

826
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: they have a long stripey tail. Yeah, I don't know.

827
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: No one thinks it's like that would have been Yeah,

828
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: that would have been crazy.

829
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: I know, what do you think about uh? Aliens?

830
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: Well, I think obviously they exist. They just do. It's

831
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: crazy to think we live in this tiny planet and

832
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: we're the only living things. I just don't know why

833
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: they would want to visit us, because we're so lame.

834
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: I know, we suck so much.

835
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: As again it is, I think it's very queer eye

836
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 1: they want to come help us, like I do. Think

837
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: that's always been my theory is that aliens see us

838
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: and go, honey, but why aren't they helping?

839
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: They're not doing anything. They come here and they get captured.

840
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we freak out because we don't know how

841
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: to treat really stupid other species other.

842
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: I know, I do. I definitely believe.

843
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: You know.

844
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: I dated an astrophysicist who was so much smarter than me,

845
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: and he would explain things like I was a child

846
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: and then I'd be like, you're really good at explaining things,

847
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, I had help because I used

848
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: to go to my sister's seventh grade class and I'd

849
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: have to explain things to them. I was like, this

850
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: guy's talking to me like I'm thirteen years old. Yeah,

851
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: that's so embarrassed. Are twelve years old? That's really embarrassing.

852
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: We didn't last like we went on like two dates.

853
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: Now we did it for a month.

854
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: But did you ever ask him about aliens?

855
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: I did. He's like, look, we have evidence. We know

856
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: that there's life on other planets in other universes. Like

857
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: we know that, but the question is like do they

858
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: come visit us? And maybe maybe they've like you know,

859
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: dabbled in Earth, but like, why would you come back

860
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: here like this because this or this planet's rough?

861
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: Well I always say it's like, like I think it's adults,

862
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: adult aliens taking their teenager to go this is where

863
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: you could live. We're going to fly around here and

864
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: I want to show you. Here we go. We're going

865
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: to Arizona. You could live in Arizona.

866
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: Like they're touring colleges.

867
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: What do you mean? No, no, no, not in like

868
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: a good way, Like you better be you better be

869
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: very grateful you live in Venus and not on Earth.

870
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: We're cautionary tale. Like if you don't do your math homework, yes,

871
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: that could be you one day exactly, And so it's

872
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: sort of the same thing. I guess you're the cautionary tale.

873
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me that, but like them coming

874
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: here to like talk to us and contact, I don't

875
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: I don't know why they would even bother.

876
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: This is the job I want to apply for. Oh

877
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: this is good. I want to get objected so that

878
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: I can be like like Dare or whatever, like where

879
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: I'll go to schools alien schools, and I'll be like

880
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: I grew up on Earth and you don't understand how

881
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: fucking hard it is. And you better listen to your

882
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: parents or you're gonna have to.

883
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, say like say no to alien drugs. Or you

884
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: might have plastics in your ocean, yeah, in your oceans,

885
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 2: like we.

886
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: Make sure you recycle, make sure you don't do what

887
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: we did. I was growing up, we had something called

888
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: polar Bear. Yeah, they're god well, I even got nothing

889
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: like that, no more like, yeah, that'll be me.

890
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's gonna be fun. I think you'd

891
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: be really good at it.

892
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: I would love it.

893
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: I think you'd be really good.

894
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: Do you have a conspiracy theory that you believe, like

895
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: a fun one?

896
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think I do. A lot

897
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: of conspiracy theories now are just kind of sad one.

898
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: A lot of them are true, now you think so

899
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: some of them.

900
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: I think some are true and some are like what

901
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: are you talking about?

902
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: Okay? Do you think that was really Jim Carrey? Uh? Yeah.

903
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 2: I think he just probably came out a little too early.

904
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: He was still needed to bacon thus and to bake

905
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 2: me of it a bit more, and then he just

906
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: came out a little prematurely.

907
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: Because you know, there's people online that are like, he

908
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: spoke out against Hollywood and so yeah, that they took

909
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: him and replaced him with someone else. What do you think?

910
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think he's I don't think it's

911
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: as interesting. I know. I think there's a lot of

912
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: people that, like a lot of celebrities that people theorize like, oh,

913
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: they died and they've been replaced.

914
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about I don't know, because I

915
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: think that there's a point where the people who are

916
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: replacing him will want to be like it's me just kidding,

917
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: Like do you want to live your life as somebody else?

918
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: What's the incentive?

919
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: I would like to live as somebody I mean, if

920
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: I could be Jim Carrey right now, I would I

921
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: would take that.

922
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what's the what's the incentive? Like if you're

923
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: you get to be Jim Carrey, but you know you're

924
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: not Jim Carrey.

925
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: Well that's okay, yeah, okay, okay. I'm obsessed with celebrity impersonators,

926
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: like as a that I get, yeah, like people that

927
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: do that for a living. And there are some that

928
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: goes so far with the plastic surgery and like they

929
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: believe that they are basically that person.

930
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: That's a that's a psychological issue.

931
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: Though, right well that's never stopped me.

932
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: But I think that there's but for you to like

933
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: if somebody gets a lot of plastic surgery and they're

934
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 2: like I'm Michael Jackson now, because I've seen I feel

935
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: like he might be like the top of who people

936
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: want to emulate, right, And it's like, but you know

937
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: you're not you know you're not right. So what how

938
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: how how do you convince yourself that you are Michael Jackson?

939
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: Well, if everyone starts treating you like Michael Jackson.

940
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then isn't there a point where you're going

941
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: to be like, I'm done doing this, I want to

942
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: be me again.

943
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: But that's where you have to sign a contract.

944
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: With Oh, you have to sign a contract with someone.

945
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: Or something, you know, like these secret organizations that run

946
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: the world.

947
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 2: You know what I do believe in I do believe

948
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: in the Locknest monster, really believing Bigfoot. I believe in

949
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 2: this like the snowman one. I believe there's monsters out

950
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: there we don't like, no one sees and they don't

951
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: want you to see them. Why because they're private.

952
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: But do you believe that they're just like animals or

953
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: are they like actual mythical mystical.

954
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 2: I think there's something mystical about them. I think there's

955
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: something like I also believe, you know what, It's not

956
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: part of my culture, but I wish this is true

957
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 2: and I hope it is. Fairies. Oh yeah, I mean

958
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 2: when I take a walk down my neighborhood and someone

959
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: put a little door and a window and stuff. Oh

960
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 2: yeah for the fairies who live in the tree. And

961
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, I, you know what, I want this to

962
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 2: be true. I'm down with the fairies and the little

963
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: people like the elves in the trees. I'm down with

964
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: that stuff. I think they just don't want us to

965
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: see how easy it is to is it to like

966
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: not be seen and imagine you're an animal or a

967
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: fairy or an elf. It's so especially if you have

968
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: magical powers for no one to see you, right, and

969
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: there's people walking around like I saw him? No you

970
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: did it, No you didn't.

971
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: There are there. There are lots of different cultures that

972
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: really truly believe that that this is the thing. Yeah, sure, yeah,

973
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: that would be great.

974
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: Like I'm not gonna go swim where the Lochness monster lives.

975
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: Here's what I will say about this. We recently covered

976
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: a story a man that dedicated his life to it,

977
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: like forty years or something, I can't remember now. He

978
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: recently was like, I'm thrown in the towel. No, bro,

979
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's real.

980
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: But there's so many pictures you know pictures are real.

981
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: Well, nowadays it's impossible. You could never I know, But

982
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 1: that was a long This was when I was a kid.

983
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: People were talking about the Lockness monster. He just gave up.

984
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: The Man's like I've tried everything. It really be for

985
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 1: a while.

986
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 2: It is like it's an enclosed It's a lake.

987
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,479
Speaker 1: Isn't it. You should be able to It's just a lake.

988
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: How hard is it to just cover your ground in

989
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 2: a lake?

990
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: But my favorite theory, it's a ghost of a dinosaur.

991
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: That makes sense.

992
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a ghost of a dinosaur.

993
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: You can catch it.

994
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 2: I think it's just prehistoric and it's just still no

995
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,959
Speaker 2: I maybe I don't. Or it's like a it's it's

996
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: a it's a descendant of a prehistoric creature. Yeah, and

997
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: there's only one of it. But a ghost makes sense.

998
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: I don't know.

999
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: I'm down.

1000
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to believe it. And Bigfoot just walk

1001
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: around out there.

1002
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: Bigfoot's all over the place. Bigfa's just in one forest

1003
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: like truly, every state has their own version of a Bigfoot.

1004
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of people that believe that there

1005
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: are these man, hairyman hybrid whatever it is in all woods.

1006
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: Really Okay, he just covers all woods. Yeah, I don't know.

1007
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: I want to believe in that stuff. I love it.

1008
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 2: I love that people get so worked up over it.

1009
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask one more. What do you think

1010
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: about wigi boards? Have you ever used one? Yeah?

1011
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: Growing up, I used wigi boards. I mean, like I

1012
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: did you just sleepovers and stuff like, it was all

1013
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 2: about wigi boards.

1014
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1015
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: And then if you could look in the mirror and

1016
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: say bloody Mary, like what was it five times? And

1017
00:56:54,680 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: I so deeply believed it that I couldn't. I was

1018
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: always trembling when I was touching the Ouiji board thing,

1019
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 2: and I could never look in the mirror and say,

1020
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: bloody Mary, was it five times or three times?

1021
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: Thirty?

1022
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: I think it's three times. I couldn't do that stuff

1023
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: either way.

1024
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: I try. I remember trying that, being so scared, and

1025
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: I tried so bad because honestly, I was like, I

1026
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: would love a friend like I think it would be

1027
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: so fun to have like this lady that I could

1028
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: just talk to sometimes in the mirror because I used

1029
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: to think as a kid, imagine the stories this woman has.

1030
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: She's a murderer? Is she Isn't that a whole the

1031
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: whole thing is that she murdered.

1032
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: I think that's true. I think that's where it comes from.

1033
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: But it's like I wanted I didn't go to a

1034
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: ton of slumber parties as a kid, but I wanted

1035
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: to hear about what was going on at like all

1036
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: the girls slumber parties because I never got to go,

1037
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: And so I thought, if I can summon bloody Mary,

1038
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: maybe she could be like, Okay, so there's this one.

1039
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: I was just I just scared the shit out of

1040
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: these twelve year old girls. Yes, and I thought that

1041
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: would be fun. Yeah.

1042
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: Well, I mean when the bitch never came, I was

1043
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: always so when it came to Wiji boards, oh my gods,

1044
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: this is stupid, Like I don't believe it. But I

1045
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: was also like, don't ever bring that to my house

1046
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: and don't ever throw it away. You can't throw it away.

1047
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: So did I fully believe it. No, But also I

1048
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: believed it enough to where I just didn't want to

1049
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: mess with the Wigi board juju.

1050
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: So you think that you can like open up doors

1051
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: to the other side and stuff like that.

1052
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: I think so, I don't know. I mean I like

1053
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: to think, I do want to I do think that

1054
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: every once in a while you feel someone who's passed,

1055
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: You feel their presence somewhere around, at least I do.

1056
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: And so sometimes I think there is some something afterwards

1057
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: and they have the ability to just kind of like

1058
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: poke their head in and be like hey, I'm here. Yeah,

1059
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: but I don't I don't know if like getting a

1060
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: you know, a Ouiji board from like Target and just

1061
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: setting it up in your house is like the way

1062
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: to do it.

1063
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. It's like you can buy

1064
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: an Internet router from best Buy and and from from

1065
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: the internet, you can you know, meet the love of

1066
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,479
Speaker 1: your life, and you wouldn't go from best Buy? Like no, true,

1067
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So you could.

1068
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: It's just a means you know, maybe maybe where else

1069
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: would you get it?

1070
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: You gotta get somewhere, you gotta Yeah.

1071
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: You're not gonna. I mean, it's not like those stores

1072
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: exist where you walk in and it's like there and

1073
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 2: it has everything you need and then the next stage

1074
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: is gone. You know, that doesn't happen.

1075
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:57,959
Speaker 1: I know a place crystals. Yeah, so we gotta wrap

1076
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: it up. Man.

1077
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 2: That was I was having so much fun.

1078
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: Tell people where you want to find you and.

1079
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, Well, I'm on the podcast Conan O'Brien Needs

1080
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: a Friend comes out Mondays and Thursdays. And I have

1081
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,080
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1082
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:22,160
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1083
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,280
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1084
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: Cool.

1085
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 2: I know I wrote a book. It's my second book too.

1086
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: I wrote another book before this. Oh my god, go crazy.

1087
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: Every time I'm like, I'm going to write a book,

1088
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: and then when I actually write it, I was like,

1089
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: oh my god, I wrote a book. That's yeah, I read.

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Speaker 2: There's so many words.

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Speaker 1: Well, congratulation, thank you, thanks for doing this.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for ros It's really nice to meet you.

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Speaker 1: You do what's up behind you?

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Speaker 2: Shut up? No, don't do that. I always fall for it.

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Speaker 2: I knew there was nothing there, but I still just

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Speaker 2: wanted to look it was.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, just so nae uh, I'll lover.

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Speaker 1: She's so cool, and thank you for listening. I love

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Speaker 1: you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't

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Speaker 1: ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me. Hey by,

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Speaker 1: this has been an exactly right production. Want to share

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Speaker 1: your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out

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Speaker 1: loud and sometimes I'll even call you so email me

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Speaker 1: producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the

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Speaker 1: alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed

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Speaker 1: by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the

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Speaker 1: petrifying Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by the spine

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Speaker 1: chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the spooky Vanessa Lilac,

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Speaker 1: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the

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