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Speaker 2: The World's a Pigeon podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: Game Management Coordinator, which is becoming a lot more popular

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Speaker 3: than teams have somebody with that title on.

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Speaker 2: Calling Paul, you shouldn't be that person, but you should

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Speaker 2: start a training school for those people.

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Speaker 4: Why shouldn't I be that person?

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Speaker 2: No, you'd be the Tom House of training. Yeah, in

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Speaker 2: game decisions.

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Speaker 4: Now. I don't think people grow up thinking, you know

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Speaker 4: what I really want to be in life. I want

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Speaker 4: to be a time a game management coordinator.

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Speaker 2: Parcells says, listen to me. Everybody has a price. My

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Speaker 5: But that's a tough line about your wife, man, I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't I want to.

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Speaker 2: I know he's the one that said my wife doesn't

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Speaker 4: But they're a playoff team if the quarterback is healthy.

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Speaker 4: They went seven and ten without PLAYA.

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Speaker 4: I go with puce, So.

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Speaker 2: Getting back to where we started. It was the worst

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Speaker 4: I kind of like that, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, just made the newsletter last week.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the cartoons lukewarm reception.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she came around to I liked it.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was good. I thought that was a

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Speaker 4: good cartoon, good stuff.

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Speaker 5: That's it's always a good joke when Ivan's thinking about

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Speaker 5: football and Jess is wondering what is he thinking?

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Speaker 6: But she must know you're thinking, Oh no, she's not ding.

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Speaker 4: What's it called? Like an entertainment when you do that,

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Speaker 4: like you have like the same punchline, you know, that's

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Speaker 4: you use for a lot of different jokes, and it

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Speaker 5: That's not gonna called That's not a callback? Is one?

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Speaker 5: Like that's a but I don't know if that's what

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Speaker 2: That we were talking before the show. When you get

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Speaker 2: rejected for a job in like Hollywood, Like, what what

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Speaker 2: do they call that? What do they call the piece

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Speaker 2: of paper that they give you that they mail you?

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Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know, a rejection slip a rejection. Let

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I was totally were pink slips because I actually literally

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Speaker 5: Really yeah, now, I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: That's you guys. You guys are peppering me with I

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Speaker 2: Also, as Paul said, when you get fired, you get.

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Speaker 6: No, I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 4: So it's so it's not a Hollywood thing that Fred,

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Speaker 5: Had heard, but those might be creative jobs. And I

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Speaker 4: I mean Mike was in charge of handing out the pink.

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Speaker 6: A special st that's it. That's it. But that's also

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Speaker 5: One of the cool things about that I liked living

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Speaker 2: You go, all right, So what's on people's minds something

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Speaker 2: once you become a runner, you should lose those protections.

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Speaker 4: I didn't hear what Brady had to say, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: I feel like people look at it as Mahomes is

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Speaker 2: Well, the helmet's read so like it showed.

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Speaker 4: That's good. You can see it. It's a good point.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think I just think it's funny coming

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Speaker 2: He ran four times in his career, afforded this protection. Well,

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Speaker 4: You were in the pocket, and they wouldn't And by

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Speaker 2: You're in the problem, your eyes are fixed down field,

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Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be said you can keep the slide.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't even have to be a slide if

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Speaker 4: So that's how you're going to adjudicate.

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Speaker 2: Admit it?

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Speaker 4: You know, And that's why I say you can allow

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Speaker 5: it's you know, it's all for the quarterbacks. Now, like

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Speaker 5: you know, Mahomes kind of knows what he's doing. He's

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Speaker 3: Like to say, I don't like that Mahomes takes advantage

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Speaker 3: of it. But I do like the protections on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: True, you know, I'm not here.

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Speaker 4: That's why it's there.

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Speaker 3: I'm not here in the the NFC Championship game on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: If Jayden Daniels gets hurt, We're all going to be bumped.

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Speaker 2: I forget what it might have been. Brady again talking

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Speaker 2: He was better than you, yep.

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Speaker 4: And as Evan said, like you know, Jalen hurts and

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Speaker 2: The more slight quarterbacks run the risk of getting hurt more.

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Speaker 2: And as Brady said, you need to learn to protect yourself.

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Speaker 6: Just have easy obvious moves.

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Speaker 5: You have to have you can't do that, you gotta

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's it takes nowadays. Did you post your yes? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, but he still wasn't a high sat

437
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Speaker 2: volume guy.

438
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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, yeah, if you're talking about pass rushers,

439
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,160
Speaker 4: it just run. I misunderstood.

440
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I would say, you know, with the bar

441
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Speaker 5: more of it all, like if they were to go

442
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,080
Speaker 5: more to you know, just a four man front, like

443
00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,639
Speaker 5: easy fit like barmore, get upfield like go you know,

444
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,200
Speaker 5: like that was the big thing with him, to learn

445
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,840
Speaker 5: him to stop the run and the two gap and

446
00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 5: to do all the stuff that the Bill defense asked

447
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,080
Speaker 5: him to do. But he's an example on the other

448
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 5: end of the spectrum for me, where yeah, that's that's

449
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,200
Speaker 5: an easy fit for me. But at the same token,

450
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,919
Speaker 5: who are your defensive ends? I mean everyone's pointing out

451
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 5: on Twitter, you know, the big wide nine guy, you know,

452
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,919
Speaker 5: lining up with hand down, just going after the thing.

453
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,119
Speaker 6: They never really had those guys, you know.

454
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Speaker 5: I mean, let's make me Mark Anderson going way back

455
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,520
Speaker 5: as somebody who you know, was kind of that come

456
00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:19,960
Speaker 5: on and you're just gonna put your hand down and

457
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:20,880
Speaker 5: go rush the quarterback.

458
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 2: But Chandler Jones that they don't have.

459
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's close, sure, but they just

460
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 5: don't have those guys on the roster right now. So

461
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,760
Speaker 5: that's a big question I have of what direction are

462
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Speaker 5: you going to go in? And are they going to,

463
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,879
Speaker 5: like Paul's thing, kind of clean house a little bit

464
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Speaker 5: and re establish the personnel, or are they gonna do

465
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Speaker 5: what you know, We're gonna just try to see what

466
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Speaker 5: we have and and you know, do do our scheme

467
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Speaker 5: towards what we have right now?

468
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just watching back in twenty three, and I watched

469
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Speaker 3: a little bit of twenty two as well, because I

470
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 3: was surprised that they weren't playing more three four just

471
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Speaker 3: knowing Rabel's background with the Patriots and as a player

472
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Speaker 3: and everything.

473
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Speaker 5: And under Cornell and and yeah and danps too, those.

474
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Speaker 3: Are right, and they were playing they are playing even

475
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 3: four man down, you know, overfronts, overloads, like all those

476
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,239
Speaker 3: types of things that those types of defenses do, and

477
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 3: they get after it. Like that's the one thing that

478
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 3: I think really was exciting to me watching even in

479
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 3: twenty three where they didn't have a good season, like

480
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,360
Speaker 3: that defense was flying around like they were competing, they

481
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 3: were violent, they were getting up the field. Now it's

482
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 3: a little bit boom or busts right, Like they'll make

483
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 3: a play behind the line of scrimmage and then they'll

484
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 3: give up a chunk run because they're all up the field,

485
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,640
Speaker 3: and you know, if you let it go, you let

486
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Speaker 3: it go. But I do like the idea, and we

487
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 3: were talking about this earlier, dude, with the fact that

488
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 3: on early downs, if you're always penetrating, now you pass

489
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 3: rush on early downs as well as it's much easier

490
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 3: and more seamless, Whereas in a two gapping defense you

491
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,360
Speaker 3: kind of have to read, okay, is it a run,

492
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 3: is it a pass? And now we have to react,

493
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 3: Whereas with this defense, it seems like they're just gonna

494
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,719
Speaker 3: let guys team off a little bit, and whether it's

495
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,879
Speaker 3: run or pass, we're just gonna try to make plays.

496
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Speaker 2: You just have to be careful because offenses aren't stupid

497
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 2: and they have you know, whether it's a blitzpeed or whatever.

498
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 2: If it's a straight up pass rush, it's very easily

499
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: beatable these days, you know, so you have to kind

500
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 2: of mix it up. You have to confuse the quarterback

501
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 2: depending on who the guy is. You want to not

502
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 2: you want to keep him in the pocket as opposed

503
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 2: to letting him out, you know. So you just have

504
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 2: to be careful with how you're doing it. And it's

505
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 2: not one size fits all every game.

506
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know Shane Bone is not here, so

507
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: he was the one calling the plays in Tennessee over

508
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Uh, Terrell Williams, I don't

509
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 3: think has ever called plays as a defensive coordinator. So

510
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see how that shakes out. Like, is

511
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 3: Rabel going to have influence in calling plays potentially, you know,

512
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 3: with Josh running the offense, like he doesn't have to

513
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 3: have as much of an eye probably on what's going

514
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Speaker 3: on offensively. Uh, you know Stretch will be here to

515
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 3: run the clock for Paul, right.

516
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 4: So like you're looking forward to meet Stretch.

517
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe maybe Rabel is going to be really

518
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 3: involved in hands on with the defense, because that's a

519
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: tough part of this is you know, he's the only

520
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 3: guy and Terrell Williams who doesn't have experience calling plays

521
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 3: in the role that he's going to be in, So

522
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 3: how that shakes out is still important. I think he's

523
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 3: gonna be able to run the front, and he's gonna

524
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 3: be able to run the defensive line. But does he

525
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 3: know the secondary? Does he know coverage? Does he know

526
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 3: how to marry it up with the back end?

527
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: Like?

528
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: Does he know all those things? It remains to be seen.

529
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: And then of course rounding it out, Jeremy Springer is

530
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: the one holdover at the coordinator level, and he'll be back.

531
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Speaker 2: They had a good year special teams in an overall

532
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: bad year for the team, so uh.

533
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 3: Well it was okay, they're middle of the pack.

534
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But I guess they saw you know, Rabel

535
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: must have saw something in him or was told of

536
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: things that he liked to hear.

537
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 4: I think there's a connection with Rabel and the assistant

538
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 4: Tom Quinn. Tom Quinn, I think they had a connection.

539
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 4: I think that probably was the the impetus there to

540
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 4: keep it as is. I mean, they had a pretty

541
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Speaker 4: uneven season and special chance they had kicks blocked, turns allowed.

542
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 5: I don't know what PFF grade was, PFF high.

543
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 4: PFF had him too. Yeah, everybody else said middle of

544
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 4: a package.

545
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: Well, like in terms of efficiency and great is obviously

546
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: two different things. But I I would say with their

547
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 3: special teams, tom Quinn being involved still, it kind of

548
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 3: feels like Tom Quinn was Verbel's guy to coach special teams. Anyways,

549
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 3: and so Quinnon probably vouched for Springer and said, you know,

550
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 3: this guy did a good job. We should keep them.

551
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 3: And so they're going to keep the nucleus together there.

552
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 5: Evan and I were laughing though, we were talking about

553
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 5: the stretch guy, and I said, I'm like, imagine if

554
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 5: like Paul just loves this stretch guy, Like this stretch

555
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 5: guy is just like killing every situational thing, like no, no,

556
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 5: they're pulling out like these like random weird like they

557
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 5: took a penalty but.

558
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 6: It was the right thing to do, and balls like

559
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 6: this guy's the best.

560
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: We're all.

561
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 4: It's like impossible, so you could hire him. Professions thirty

562
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 4: thirty three seconds left, you know, first and ten from

563
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Speaker 4: the twelve. No need to spike here, right, yeah, right,

564
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 4: I agree, you're.

565
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 6: Just sitting there jump no notes, notes kids.

566
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 4: This stretch guy is my favorite.

567
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: So uh internal. We had a chance to sit down

568
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: with the three coordinators this morning. Were you guys there?

569
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: When they did that, we briefly said.

570
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 4: Hello, We did not go in for the interviews.

571
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 2: So you didn't get a chance to listen to any

572
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Speaker 2: of the questions or answer.

573
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 4: No, no, no.

574
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 5: We were too much pressure on no socks.

575
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 6: We don't, you know, we want to let him do

576
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 6: his thing.

577
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I did help, and I know you did

578
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 4: as well.

579
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 7: Well.

580
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Speaker 2: I wanted One of the questions I submitted for Josh

581
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: is what did you take away from your visits to

582
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: these colleges?

583
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 6: Was that confirmed? Did that really happen with Paul?

584
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,479
Speaker 3: And with Paul and the thing you made up?

585
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: You mean, oh, oh, you know, so I just, you know,

586
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: I don't know if it got to ask, so I haven't.

587
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: But those will be on patriot dot com today and

588
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: other platforms.

589
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 6: Now I'm gonna nerd out for a second.

590
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 5: But like just getting the chance to see Rabel and

591
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 5: McDaniel's like back in the in the Elvis and the

592
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 5: Patriots stuff, I'm like, all right, let's go, let's go.

593
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: We got our boys back.

594
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 5: We got our guys a little but well, you know,

595
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 5: we saw Rabel the other morning, comes in with you know,

596
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 5: his his vable outfit which no, you know he's got

597
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 5: a style the windbreaker with no sleeves and the tight

598
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 5: shirt underneath, but you know, had the had the elvis

599
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 5: on and yeah, it was back home, buddy, back home,

600
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 5: welcome home.

601
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: Talking a little fourth down with Josh for two seconds.

602
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 3: But you know he's he's ready to go. It's good

603
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: to see him.

604
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 6: I say, thought we should.

605
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 5: Josh looked great, he's lost some weight.

606
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: He turned down and shave ready to go. Yeah, yep,

607
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 2: all right, so exciting times here and now I guess

608
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: the next step is to fill out the rest of

609
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: the assistance. Now that you have your coordinators, I'm sure

610
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: they'll have input on who they hire.

611
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 4: Ah, your line coach, right, biggest, biggest hire. It's a

612
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 4: big hire.

613
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: It's a big higher What is what assistant or position

614
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 2: coach is filled? Right now?

615
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 5: Do we have any There was a report of a

616
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 5: running back.

617
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: It was with the Jets this past season. He apparently

618
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 3: the report is that he's gonna have the same role

619
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: with the Patriots. So he's going to coach running backs

620
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: with the Patriots, but as of right now, there's some

621
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: you know, Twitter rumor type stuff that I don't think.

622
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: Is so the only position right now reportedly filled is

623
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: running back.

624
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, reportally Yeah yeah. I mean, I don't know.

625
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 5: Maybe we'll see how these games go this weekend and

626
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 5: maybe you'll get another florry, but I assume they're going

627
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 5: to get the coordinators in position. And now these guys

628
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 5: are interviewing right and now is when it really starts

629
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 5: to come together.

630
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: I just think it's refreshing that clearly the because of

631
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: the types of coaches these guys are, they all have connections,

632
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: and they all have like people lined up for a

633
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 3: lot of these positions ahead of time. And it's not

634
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: like last year where they interviewed twelve different offensive coordinator

635
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: candidates and you know, had guys kind of leave them

636
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 3: at the altar a little bit there with Nick Kaylee

637
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Like this has all been pretty seamless.

638
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: And Terrell William's clearly a Rabel guy being with him

639
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: in Tennessee, and you know, we all know about Josh McDaniels,

640
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: but it just feels like it's, you know, you have

641
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: that networking ability with this group, and I think that

642
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: you're going to see some familiar faces on the on

643
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: the staff, especially offensively, Like I'm sure Josh is calling

644
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: all the whole band to get it back together.

645
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 5: I wonder is a lot of the guys that were

646
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 5: here earlier that maybe some of the ones that went

647
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 5: to the Raiders with them they come back. Yeah, I

648
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: think so, I don't know's you know.

649
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: I would assume Bohart agree Micklembardy. I mean if I

650
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,239
Speaker 3: would call Carmen Bricelo yesterday, like please come back and

651
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 3: coach the offensive line. So he's with the Giants, he's

652
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: their offensive line.

653
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: So do you have to give him a promotion to

654
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: get him over here? Is the under cont They don't.

655
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 4: The other team wouldn't have to give you permission, right

656
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Speaker 4: unless it's a promotion.

657
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that that will be interesting. I don't usually

658
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Speaker 3: they don't count like run game coordinator or something like

659
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: that as the promotion. It's just coordinator would be the promotion.

660
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: So I who they hire for offensive line coach to

661
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: me is the biggest hire left.

662
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's asat one. I agree, that's a critical one.

663
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Speaker 2: It's a critical one because those guys have to Dante

664
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Speaker 2: play together.

665
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Speaker 5: I wish I know, well, I mean just I mean

666
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 5: I said it the other day. I mean, this is

667
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 5: I've been here, what five seasons now, There's been a

668
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 5: different offensive line coach every single year I've been here.

669
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Speaker 5: I mean Michael and Winu came here twenty twenty. He's

670
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 5: had a different o line coach every single year he's

671
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 5: been here. They got to find a way to break that,

672
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 5: and I mean, hopefully this year they land with that

673
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 5: offensive or offensive line coach that can stick around and

674
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Speaker 5: you know, really build something. That's what I was hoping

675
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 5: last year with Peters, that you know that this would

676
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: be the guy and you know he's a young guy

677
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 5: and it's getting his.

678
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Speaker 6: Chance, and you know, it didn't work out, pedigree and

679
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 6: all that.

680
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: It's crazy, though, the Bengals hire both the offensive line

681
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 5: coach and the defensive line coach from the Patriots, both

682
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 5: who you know, were kind of under a lot of

683
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 5: you know, flak this year for not great performance. But

684
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 5: they they jumped right on them. So I guess we'll

685
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 5: see how the boy Sweet Lou went to the Colts.

686
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was. It's interesting that you didn't get

687
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: hired by Ben Johnson. I know there was a big

688
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: connection there between the two of them going back to Miami,

689
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: but it seemed like Dennis Allen's head coaching experience is

690
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Speaker 3: what put him over the top. To give him to

691
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Speaker 3: to Ben Johnson.

692
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Speaker 4: I think that's a good move. Yeah, I mean sweet

693
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Speaker 4: Little would have been too. I'm not saying he wouldn't

694
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Speaker 4: have been. I mean they had a terrible year. I'm

695
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: not sugarcoating, and clearly, you know, you know, he didn't

696
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 4: have any answers. I know it's largely on personnel, but

697
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: it seems like they have better personnel than those results indicated.

698
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 5: Strange and that happens though a guy was very respected

699
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 5: and you know, had a couple of good years and

700
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 5: you know, and that wasn't like it was this complex

701
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 5: crazy defen.

702
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Speaker 4: I mean it was they kind of do what they

703
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: really really struggled all year.

704
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: I hate when that happens because it's it's so clear

705
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: that Zach Taylor needed a head to roll for the

706
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: fact that they didn't make the playoffs, and he somehow,

707
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, skated and didn't lose his job. So it's

708
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: like someone's got to pay for the fact that we

709
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: missed the playoffs with Joe Burrow and it ends up

710
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: being a really good coach.

711
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Speaker 4: Someone was forget who I heard it, but you know

712
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: talking about like changing coordinators, and you know, you know,

713
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 4: the Eagles changed their coordinators, and like the Eagles fired

714
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: their coordinators and moved on to two different ones. That's

715
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Speaker 4: not the same thing.

716
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Speaker 2: It's like.

717
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: The Lions losing Ben Jonson and Aaron Glenn was the premise.

718
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: You know, you don't know, you can lose your coordinate.

719
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: But they didn't lose him.

720
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: On purpose, right, They wanted to keep those They wanted

721
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: to keep them.

722
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Speaker 5: In the defensive lane. Coach, I mean, really interesting to see.

723
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Speaker 5: Whats gonna happen to Detroit next year?

724
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Speaker 4: Well, I think the offensive coordinator is going to be

725
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Speaker 4: the guy that wean Yeah, I can't close. Yeah, that's

726
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 4: the chance. It seems like that one would be because

727
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: that's the one that got the Patriots in last year.

728
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: Get your fingers out, because that windows really fast.

729
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, they're really.

730
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Speaker 4: Talented team that windows not closed.

731
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Speaker 6: I mean, Detroit, you got all the pie done.

732
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Speaker 4: I'm okay, yeah, but you're very consistent with this. You're

733
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 4: not just like you hate Dan Campbell. I think he

734
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 4: has no I don't hate I liked him. I don't

735
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 4: ever thinks it's all about motivation, and I think you're

736
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: very consistent. This is not criticism at all.

737
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: So what's my what? What's my motivation? According to Paul Parillo.

738
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Speaker 4: Jared Goff had a bad game in a big stage,

739
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: so he can never recover from.

740
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Speaker 2: That, right right, thank you? He was never that good.

741
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: Let me know who else you need me to analyze?

742
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: He and he and uh, what's his name? From the Vikings?

743
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: Donald Donald is a reason.

744
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Donald didn't have like six good years in

745
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: a row like Donald had six good weeks in a

746
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: row and then he turned into a pumpkin now. And plus,

747
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 4: I don't think that Donald is done either. I think

748
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 4: he'll come back next year. Now. Will he play as

749
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 4: well as he did under Kevin O'Connell. Probably not. They

750
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 4: had clearly that's at least partly due to a great system,

751
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: justin Jeffers.

752
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: That's as as the Lions Jordan Adison.

753
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 4: These guys are kind of good.

754
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Speaker 6: A lot of talent there though.

755
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: I mean that's but that team is too good to

756
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: just fall apart. I'm not telling you they're gonna win

757
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: the super Bowl next year, but they're not going to

758
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: fall apart.

759
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 5: I don't know what their free agent class looks like.

760
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: A lot of guys now, no key guys that are

761
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 4: that are free They have some role guys here and there.

762
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 6: I know there.

763
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Speaker 5: I just can't say his name on Zorki. Some of

764
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 5: the defensive lineman, I don't know, but he's you know,

765
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Speaker 5: just having played under our new defensive coordinator.

766
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Speaker 4: I mean there's a chance that the team that they

767
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: put on the field there's a lot better just by

768
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 4: pure health. I mean, they lost so many guys.

769
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Speaker 2: Prediction time will tribute to have a full back this

770
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Speaker 2: year on the roster, Yes.

771
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Speaker 4: Yes, Will it be like a traditional true fullback or

772
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: will be Jahean Bell playing fullback?

773
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: That could go either way. I Jacob Johnson's just kicking

774
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: around waiting for the phone call at this point. But

775
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Speaker 3: I I would say that there's a couple of guys

776
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: in this draft to that boom that play full back

777
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: that not skataboo but that or maybe more on your

778
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: your side of things, Paul, that can catch them and

779
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: be a little bit more athletic at that position. Uh,

780
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: the kid from Alabama who I'm blanking.

781
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Speaker 2: On more athletic than Scataboo.

782
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: Well, skaboos are running.

783
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: I know he's pretty athletic, Yeah, but he.

784
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: Doesn't play full back.

785
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: It's like five eight he could, yeah, but he goes

786
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: about thirty eight or he's not tall squad.

787
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Speaker 3: But I just coder with some respect with Josh.

788
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Speaker 5: I mean, in response to I love when you hate

789
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 5: your question Fred that you had for Matt for Josh

790
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 5: was you know, did he evolve a little bit and

791
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 5: does he still see the full back the same way

792
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 5: he did? And I'd say blocking tight end too as

793
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 5: part of that. I mean, maybe it's the same player,

794
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 5: but has he evolved does Drake May's potential make him think?

795
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Speaker 4: I'm curious to see how it looks because now you know,

796
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: when you guys are all talking about the different things,

797
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: I would agree that he has been very flexible when

798
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 4: it comes to game plans. I think that Bill was

799
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: a game plan guy to his core, and Josh did

800
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 4: a really good job of as Evan pointed out with

801
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: Cam Newton as the example, but he did a really

802
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 4: good job of that throughout his time with the Patriots,

803
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 4: of being able to win games in a variety of

804
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: different ways with different plans and different you know, focuses

805
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: with the offense. I'm less convinced that he is as

806
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: flexible with his system and that I'm really going to

807
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: be interested in. I kind of wish we had a

808
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 4: chance to maybe have a little small talk with.

809
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 6: Him to you hugged him. Maybe less hugging.

810
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: Let's keep that off the air, let's keep that off

811
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.

812
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean there's that's that is now two coaches

813
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: that I've hugged publicly now in the last two weeks

814
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 4: of the Ills. It's not given my back, Like, wow,

815
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: they actually called me Sunshine dot com.

816
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Speaker 2: I know.

817
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: There's just so many advantages to the full back from

818
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: a blocking perspective in the run game that I mean,

819
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: I'm a big fullback guy, so I love the full back.

820
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 3: But there's just so many different advantages that that brings

821
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: to the table that I think are are good advantages

822
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: that go beyond just all we're just going to run

823
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 3: it downhill at people and stuff like that. I mean,

824
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: he's far from the only guy that that utilizes a

825
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: full back that's a great offensive coach. I mean, the

826
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 3: Rams do it, the forty nine ers do it, the

827
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: Dolphins do it. Like all those trees that we all

828
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: are obsessed with, they all do it too.

829
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 5: So you think, uh, I just thought of this throwing

830
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 5: it off for the group, you know, with you know,

831
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 5: when Brady was here and you put the full back in,

832
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 5: they're going to run the ball. But do you think

833
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 5: that like Drake May's ability to run the ball as well,

834
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 5: Like it just gives them a little bit more variation

835
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 5: on that where you know, you know, you're if the

836
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 5: fullbacks out there with Brady, he's probably handing off to

837
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 5: the running then they're you know, running ball or whatever.

838
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 5: But you know, with Drake, I don't know. It just

839
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 5: gives you a little bit more options to play with.

840
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 5: I feel like with the full back maybe you could

841
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 5: be a little bit less predictable with.

842
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 4: But they're gonna run it well unless I'll see you

843
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 4: with the full back like Yaka Johnson, they're gonna run

844
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 4: it right. If it's James Devlin, they're going to run it.

845
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: Now if they have a guy like Evan like you know,

846
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: some of these more versatile guys, the Chargers, I would

847
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: put in that category. They have a couple of different

848
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 4: size and ship to those guys and the Ravens guy

849
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: is a defensive lineman, but he's a behemoth. Yeah, he's great,

850
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: and they're gonna run, and you kind of know the

851
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 4: Ravens are gonna run anyway.

852
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: But they even though they ran it a lot with

853
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: the fullback on the field that they're they're action passing

854
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: was so effective with the full back on the field too,

855
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: And that's a big part of it as well as

856
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: just you can mimic the same run plays. You know,

857
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 3: the blocking schemes look exactly the same to the defense,

858
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: and that's what pulls guys out of passing lanes and

859
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: displaces defenders to open play action. And some of the

860
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: cam stuff that they did in twenty twenty where it

861
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: was just Cam and the full back and the backfield,

862
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: now the full back is like a lead blocker for

863
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: a quarterback run or something like that. I thought those

864
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 3: are really nice and creative, Like now you're all sorts

865
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: of numbers advantages to the play side because you have

866
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: a lead blocker and then Cam's plus one, Like, you

867
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: have all sorts of advantages when you do stuff like that.

868
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: So I just I can't imagine that a Josh McDaniel's

869
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: offense won't have a full back. I think that's a.

870
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Speaker 2: Lock Mark and fall. River writes in at podcasts at

871
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: Patriots dot Com he's excited about the new hires, he

872
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: has questions on both sides of the ball. Mike, my

873
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: memory of the Titans defense is Jeffrey Simmons being a centerpiece,

874
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: aside from the questions about his health. Do you think

875
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: Christian baum Wore can play a similar role?

876
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 8: Uh?

877
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 5: Not really, to be honest, I mean, I like Christian Barmore,

878
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 5: but I just I see him a little bit different,

879
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 5: a little bit different than than Simmons, who, like I said,

880
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Simmons can do it all, and

881
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 5: I think Barmore is still a little bit of a

882
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 5: work in progress against the run. That they switch schemes, maybe,

883
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 5: but I don't know. I see Simmons as a as

884
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 5: more of a just every down impact run impact, the

885
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 5: passing game, just a nightmare inside. But maybe with a

886
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 5: scheme shift maybe, But I would say not really, Okay,

887
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 5: I'd still want to target a guy, you know, put.

888
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 3: Him in that three technique, like, yeah, you know Jeffrey Simmons,

889
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: Like when you put him at the three technique, you

890
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: just let him get up the field and not worry

891
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 3: about gap integrity and pocket integrity and all that stuff,

892
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: and just maybe, you know, I think that that would

893
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: be a good role for him. For Christian Barber, I

894
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: do too.

895
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 4: I understand what Mike is saying. I just I don't

896
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: know that I'm willing to say that Barbour can be

897
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: as good as Jeffrey Simmons. Yeah, I think that's you know,

898
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 4: where I would separate.

899
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: But why not just get in style?

900
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think yeah, And I think he's improved a

901
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 4: little bit. You know, it's kind of hard because he

902
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 4: lost a whole year. Yeah, but I think I think

903
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 4: he had shown improvement, you know, in the Run game

904
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: two years ago, when you know, when we last saw

905
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 4: him on a regular basis. I think he's more. I

906
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: think he's closer to a three down player, you know,

907
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: than than maybe we remember.

908
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 5: But he might be a zero down player. I mean,

909
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 5: right now, there's so much there's so many questions around

910
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 5: him and his health and then you know, kind of

911
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 5: having the relapse of the of the problem.

912
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: Like I just I think he's even when he came

913
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: back this year, he wasn't the same, right, but he

914
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: didn't seem to have that leg strength and that put.

915
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 4: But I don't necessarily I'm not gonna say that's why

916
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 4: he's not as good as Jeffrey Simmons, Like, yeah, I

917
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 4: mean he shouldn't have been like it was three months

918
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 4: probably without really doing any football.

919
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. On the offensive side, my questions are for Fred

920
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: and Paul. When Josh last coached here, he worked with

921
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: a young quarterback, and both of you could be classified

922
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: as unhappy with the results. Fred didn't like that they

923
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: held back on some of what they did, and Paul

924
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: just didn't think it was as good as a lot

925
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: of other people. My question is, do each of you

926
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: expect similar results or do you have higher expectations? And then, lastly,

927
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: has anyone figured out what Fred was talking about on

928
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 2: Tuesday with the Micah Parkson's JJ McCarthy thing.

929
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 4: No one knows. I don't even know, So I would

930
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: expect it to be better. I think Drake May is

931
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 4: a lot better player than Mac Jones. I would expect

932
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels to have more success with Drake May than

933
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 4: he did with Mac jecks.

934
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: And you know, it's a good question because but you

935
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: have to take it in context, so you go back

936
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: to that time. Belichick's the head coach Mac Jones is

937
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: the quarterback that you just drafted. There's a question as

938
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: to whether even Belichick wanted this guy. I don't know,

939
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: but maybe he didn't. So maybe he's thinking he's not

940
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: that good. Number one thing is protect the ball. We're

941
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: not gonna let this guy do what they did this

942
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: year with Drake May or in twenty twenty four, which

943
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: is allow him to make mistakes. They certainly coddled him.

944
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: And it's Belichick, you know, I want to win football games.

945
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: I'm not here to develop this young guy. I want

946
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: to win football games.

947
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 5: Yeah what I mean.

948
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Speaker 2: And I think that had a lot to do with it.

949
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: And so you know, then you ask yourself how much

950
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: influence did Belichick have on Josh that year?

951
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

952
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 5: Well, I mean look at how Mac did once they

953
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 5: did let him start throwing around the ball, and there

954
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 5: were a lot of resources. But I thought Paul made

955
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: a good point yesterday and your your shows with valgar Maz,

956
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 5: you know, talking about Drake may taking on the Josh offense.

957
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 5: I mean, that puts a lot on the quarterback and

958
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 5: I think, you know, Paul made a point that you know,

959
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 5: Drake may seems pretty bright and I have hope and

960
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 5: confidence that he'll be able to handle everything it seems

961
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 5: like Josh is going to put on him. But I

962
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 5: do think that that's a big question mark of you know,

963
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 5: is he ready to really get it?

964
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 6: You know, the whole offense is going to run through him.

965
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: Now that would have been my you know, you got

966
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: time for like one quick question, just simplistically. Do you

967
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 4: plan on running a similar system that you've always run

968
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: or are you going to transition a little bit more

969
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 4: to whatever West Coast version that everybody else is running. Yeah,

970
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 4: that's that's really all I need to know.

971
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 6: You're going to tailor it to your quarterback, right.

972
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 4: But not necessarily tailoring it to my quarterback. The system

973
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 4: that he's run forever has been deemed to be pretty

974
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 4: tough on quarterbacks. The West Coast system is deemed to

975
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 4: be a little bit easier on quarterbacks. Which, you know,

976
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 4: which one of those two are you going to follow?

977
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I expect him to be all the things

978
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 4: that Evan talked about in terms of creative with his

979
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: play calling and game planning and all that stuff, because

980
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 4: I saw Josh mcdinals do that, you know, the entire

981
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: time he was here. There always going to be a

982
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: game plan. Whatever offense they run, it's not always going

983
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 4: to look exactly the same depending on the opponent. I'm

984
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: pretty confident in that. I'm just wondering what he's going

985
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 4: to do for the basis of his system, the terminology,

986
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 4: what he's asking the quarterback to do in terms of

987
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 4: protections and calling out the mic stuff that we saw

988
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: for twenty five years that we didn't see at all

989
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 4: last year. Yeah, And I don't know. I don't have

990
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 4: the answer to that. I have no idea.

991
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: I mean, that can be that is simple though, like that,

992
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: that's just it's on the center and other systems, it's

993
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: on the quarterback here. I mean, I think that's an

994
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: easy fix. I don't I don't expect him to all

995
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 3: of a sudden start running a Sean McVay Kyle Shanahan

996
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: offense like and nor would I want him to do that,

997
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 3: Like would I would like to see him do what

998
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: he does best. And do you know, if you're gonna

999
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 3: hire Josh McDaniels and let him be Josh McDaniels, don't

1000
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: try to turn him into Kyle shanahan, like, do what

1001
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: you do. But there are little tweaks to it that

1002
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: I'm sure he will make, and I think he did

1003
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 3: make at times with Mac Jones to kind of water

1004
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: it down a little bit on a young quarterback, you know,

1005
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: the being in the headset until fifteen seconds, you know,

1006
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: with the play clock and things like that. It allowed

1007
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: Mac Jones to get through that rookie season. So I

1008
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: don't expect Josh McDaniels to throw.

1009
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 4: First half of it anyway.

1010
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: I don't think that I don't expect Josh to throw

1011
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 3: Drake May into the deep end of the pool in

1012
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: terms of the information that he's thrown at him.

1013
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 4: It's certainly not going to be where Tom Brady was,

1014
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 4: you know he and I think he had a quote

1015
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 4: that I heard this is going on one of those

1016
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 4: for Cocta podcasts. I don't know when he's talked about,

1017
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: you know, we have buckets full. You know, you guys

1018
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 4: had buckets full of knowledge, and obviously you're going with

1019
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 4: a young quarterback, it's like a cupful. I think he

1020
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: recognizes that. I wouldn't, to use Evans's term, He's not

1021
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: going to throw him into the deep end.

1022
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: He just hasn't seen it.

1023
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 4: But I do kind of wonder if the system is

1024
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 4: maybe in the past its due date.

1025
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, when we talked to I don't know if we're

1026
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 5: on there talking about this, but like David Andrews, coming

1027
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 5: back knows, Josh's system knows everything. I mean, it's probably

1028
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 5: even if it's not so much during the play or

1029
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 5: calling out the micro you know, calling out the protections

1030
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 5: all that stuff is different, but you know, just understanding

1031
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 5: the offense and being kind of a tutor for him,

1032
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 5: you know. I think there's been some speculation. Well, you

1033
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 5: got Brian Hoyer being around, you.

1034
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 4: Know, it's another alignment that has you know, familiarity, and

1035
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: he was here too.

1036
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: So see, all right, my food's here, take a break,

1037
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: we come back. I have a new rule change for

1038
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,839
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1039
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Speaker 11: It's time now for another episode of Patch from the

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Speaker 11: Past podcast Matt Smith and Paul Parrello joined by the

1061
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 11: newest member of the Patriots Hall of Fame, Mike Rabel

1062
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 11: and boy for two people. I know you think we're

1063
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 11: gonna be BSU, but we were on the table, Mike

1064
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 11: pounding every single year, give Rabel in, give rabel in,

1065
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 11: finally year in.

1066
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Speaker 4: What was the experience like for you yesterday, Mike, Well.

1067
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 12: It was amazing. It just to come up in the

1068
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 12: reception that we received, my family received, that I received

1069
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 12: from the first of all, the fans that were here

1070
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 12: in the rain, and again I know that I wish

1071
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 12: that we could have had the fans, but we didn't.

1072
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 12: I think it was an intimate reception, just a lot

1073
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 12: of emotion. I don't think I've given myself a chance

1074
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 12: to just to go back and reflect on that, on

1075
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 12: the eight years here and the success and the teammates,

1076
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 12: and I think that was probably the coolest thing was

1077
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 12: to see them and see Dante and and be able to,

1078
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 12: you know, just catch up and you know, just see

1079
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 12: how excited everybody is for.

1080
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 4: You can we go back to the start of that

1081
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 4: eight years and you know, sort of run us through

1082
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 4: your free agent visit here. We've heard a lot of

1083
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 4: stories about how it's not overly glamorous when in.

1084
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 11: The line that they wind in dynam at the ground round.

1085
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 12: I don't know if you were, well, I was with

1086
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 12: Anthony Pleasant and so we probably got a little nicer experience.

1087
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 12: I think we actually went to the Capitol Grill in

1088
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 12: Chestnut Hill, and yeah, so because I think Bill had

1089
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 12: had history with with Anthony Pleasant, so he was probably like, well,

1090
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 12: let me take Anthony for for a nice meal. And

1091
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 12: but it was just you know, visit at the stadium

1092
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 12: in old Foxboro Stadium, and you know, again this isn't

1093
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 12: These aren't recruiting trips. These are trips to to make

1094
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 12: sure that you know, this is the player that we

1095
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 12: want to target, and the player can ask questions and

1096
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 12: get it from and then make a decision. And so

1097
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 12: didn't have a whole lot of options, and this one

1098
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 12: was certainly, you know, you know, the best one for me.

1099
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 11: Do you You said yesterday during your speech that it

1100
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 11: was important for you to start. You know, in four

1101
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 11: years you did a lot, but you wanted to start.

1102
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 11: Did you get a sense, maybe on that visit or

1103
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 11: early on Mike, that these guys had a good idea

1104
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 11: of how to use you.

1105
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 12: Well, I can remember having a conversation with Bill and

1106
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 12: him saying, hey, really, all we need is what you

1107
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 12: did in that preseason game last year against Miami. And

1108
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 12: I'm thinking I don't even remember playing Miami in the preseason,

1109
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 12: but Bill had gone back and he had watched and

1110
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 12: there were clips that he must have seen that there

1111
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 12: was a vision for probably an extended playtime at that

1112
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 12: point in time in the preseason or whatever it was.

1113
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 12: And so then I started thinking Okay, well, at least

1114
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 12: you know they have an idea of how they want

1115
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 12: to use me or what I maybe able to do there.

1116
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 12: Bill had talked about the opportunity, not guaranteeing anything, but

1117
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 12: saying that there would be a spot at you know,

1118
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 12: available pretty much at outside linebacker, where you know they

1119
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 12: would have some other players to compete with and then

1120
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 12: see where things were.

1121
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 4: When you look at the way your years unfolded, it's

1122
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 4: almost like it was a perfect system for you. I mean,

1123
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 4: did you catch that right away? Like they really want

1124
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 4: to use me exactly to you know, I don't skill.

1125
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 12: I wasn't being misused at Pittsburgh. I had just transitioned

1126
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 12: from a couple of different positions, you know, was rotating

1127
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 12: in and was getting some playing time three and four

1128
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 12: years in special teams and third down packages, whatever that

1129
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 12: may be. But this was a new opportunity, some carryover

1130
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 12: from Pittsburgh, some different and then as things progressed and

1131
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 12: it was you know, learn this position. I actually I

1132
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 12: think I played two seasons inside linebacker or a season

1133
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 12: and a half at some point in time, and you'll

1134
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 12: find my at different spots, do you.

1135
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 11: I've heard this from many ex players guys who you

1136
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 11: played with and everything like that. Were you able to

1137
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 11: get away with more as far as like maybe busting Bill's.

1138
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 12: Paul, Well, I don't know. I think the timing was

1139
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 12: always critical. No, I don't think it's overrated. I think

1140
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 12: that there is. Like I said yesterday, I think I

1141
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 12: said things that everybody wanted to say, and I probably

1142
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 12: was just dumb enough to say it. I sometimes say

1143
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 12: the quiet part out loud sometimes unfortunately. But it's all

1144
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 12: timing and sometimes you know it. You know, it's it's

1145
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 12: a it's a turn and to punch bowl and doesn't

1146
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 12: always work, but sometimes it works out pretty good. But

1147
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 12: but that takes a little bit of time, and it

1148
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 12: takes you know, again, you have to be willing to

1149
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 12: take it and if you want to give it. And

1150
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 12: I think that Bill always was very conscious of that,

1151
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 12: whether that's players to Bill or Bill to us. You know,

1152
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 12: he knew that, you know, we had to sit there

1153
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 12: and and take it when we got the low lights

1154
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 12: and you know, we'd be on the illustrator and it

1155
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 12: would be like, you know, what we can't do, and

1156
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 12: so it just it was a good situation. We had

1157
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 12: a bunch of really good teammates that that all kind

1158
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 12: of rallied behind that.

1159
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 11: Do you think maybe, I mean, you were able to

1160
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 11: back it up with you play though, Mike, I don't

1161
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 11: know if that's a fifty third or fifty fourth guy

1162
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 11: that was trying to crack Wise, it might be different. Well,

1163
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 11: you you were a communary eye on all three phases

1164
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 11: of the game.

1165
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, but I think that that's what makes

1166
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 12: a locker room. It's just different personalities. Again, you have

1167
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 12: to perform on the field and then whatever your personality is.

1168
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 12: I think that was there was no restrictions on, Hey,

1169
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 12: we can just want a bunch of robots. That's I

1170
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 12: think that was the impression that everybody had, and we

1171
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 12: certainly weren't that.

1172
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: Well.

1173
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 4: The best thing about Mike, and I told you this

1174
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 4: a million times, Mike didn't care who he was busting on. Professional.

1175
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 4: I used to call you a professional ballbuster. Okay, that's

1176
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 4: what you were. I'd come in with like a TV

1177
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 4: shirt on one day and he goes, look at this fraud.

1178
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 4: He's got TV and it didn't matter. He treated all

1179
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 4: of us the same, And I think that's probably ated

1180
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 4: the locker room and guarded respect in that way.

1181
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 12: Well, again, I think the fact that if you have

1182
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 12: a relationship with somebody, I think that's when you kind

1183
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 12: of go back and forth with them. It's like having

1184
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 12: a nickname. You don't have a nickname, you know, there's

1185
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 12: no such thing as a bad nickname. Just be appreciative

1186
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 12: that you have a nickname. That means that they know

1187
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 12: who you are and that you're kind of a part

1188
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 12: of the group. And if you don't have a nickname,

1189
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 12: you know, you better try to figure out why. And

1190
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 12: so it was whether it was the relationship with the media,

1191
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 12: you know, it was a two way street, assistant coaches

1192
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 12: and certainly teammates.

1193
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 6: Much has been made.

1194
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 11: You played in a different era, believe it or not,

1195
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 11: where and as during your career the league was starting

1196
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 11: to legislate against defenses hard hitting and everything like that.

1197
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 11: When you look back at the Warner play ties interception,

1198
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 11: I just thought it was very generous of Ty to

1199
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 11: give you credit yesterday too. Are you going to get

1200
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 11: flagged for that if that play happens today?

1201
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 12: I don't know. I mean, I think that what we've

1202
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 12: talked about is matching the hand, and they've they've they've

1203
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 12: changed here in the last year or two about what's forcible? Hell,

1204
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 12: I don't know, you know what I mean, I should

1205
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 12: have gotten there sooner, to be honest with that. They

1206
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 12: didn't block me. It was just a lucky play and

1207
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 12: tied it all the work. And but whether it's you know,

1208
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 12: as long as it's not forcible. You know, we've talked

1209
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 12: about matching a hand and same thing that they teach

1210
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 12: here and you know everybody else is trying to teach.

1211
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 12: And didn't hit the football. I'm glad that I didn't

1212
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 12: so that Ty was able to catch it and score.

1213
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 4: Can we ask you a little bit about tight end too,

1214
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 4: and just sort of how that transition, how did it

1215
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 4: come about who's Who's I?

1216
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 12: I think Drew put it best yesterday. I had a

1217
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 12: bunch of energy. And they'd show up three hours before

1218
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 12: the game and go out on the field and Drew

1219
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 12: it would be out warming up and I would start

1220
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 12: running routes and he'd say, well, this is this is one,

1221
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 12: this is two, this is three, four, five, run this,

1222
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 12: you know, different routes. And I'd run him on the

1223
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,959
Speaker 12: right and we'd flip around and run him on the left.

1224
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 12: And then I'd go inside and wait for the game

1225
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 12: and he must have had a conversation or Charlie was

1226
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 12: outside and said, hey, this guy could probably do this,

1227
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 12: and we had it in. We used it finally in

1228
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 12: the Chargers game in San Diego. Scored, we lost the game,

1229
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 12: so it did not get much attention, and then kind

1230
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 12: of snowballed from there. Whether we had two tight ends

1231
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 12: active or three, sometimes that that third tight end was

1232
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 12: never very happy when we got down to the goal line,

1233
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 12: and you know, so those tight ends probably hated the

1234
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 12: fact that I would go in there at times.

1235
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 11: Drew never got a chance to do that on the field.

1236
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 11: Tom came in, Mike, was there a time that you

1237
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 11: can think of We remember, like you guys, the defense

1238
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 11: carried that team in OH one, for sure, no doubt

1239
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 11: about it, no disgrace. But do you remember time you said,

1240
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 11: you know what, this kid might have something? Not obviously

1241
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 11: nobody saw where he was going to wind up, but

1242
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 11: do you remember a time where you said, you know what,

1243
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 11: this kid might have something?

1244
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 12: I don't, you know specifically, It's just hard for me

1245
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:08,479
Speaker 12: to to think back, you know, the two minute drive

1246
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 12: in the Super Bowl, and I just it's just hard

1247
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 12: for me. I just remember his leadership is competitiveness. That

1248
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 12: that's what I enjoyed at practice in the building, his

1249
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 12: work ethic, you know, I would always see it. I mean,

1250
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 12: this guy was you know, he was powerlifting in the

1251
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 12: weight room. It wasn't you know the pliability that we

1252
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 12: saw later on. I mean this this guy was in

1253
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 12: there working and trying to train and get stronger, and

1254
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 12: he knew that he needed to develop and he needed

1255
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 12: to be a stronger player. That's what I recognized. I said,

1256
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 12: then this guy's in here is squatting and power cleaning,

1257
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 12: and you know, he's training differently than I think most

1258
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 12: quarterbacks in the NFL would.

1259
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 4: Be at that time when you had that streak, the

1260
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 4: winning three out of four, I mean obviously winning back

1261
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 4: to back hasn't been done since. You know, do you

1262
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 4: look back at that and appreciate just how special it

1263
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 4: was and what is it mean to you to be

1264
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 4: part of those teams?

1265
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 12: Well, I think that I don't look back enough. I don't.

1266
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 12: But we expected to win, you know, I mean we did.

1267
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 12: We We we had a feeling about us that when

1268
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 12: we each week, it was like, Okay, what's the game

1269
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 12: plan going to be and how are we going to win?

1270
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 12: And we expected to win, and that is a you know,

1271
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 12: that's a powerful mindset to be in. Now, we didn't

1272
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 12: win every game, but you know, rarely did did we

1273
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 12: you know, were we out of a game? Or did

1274
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 12: we think that we weren't going to be able to

1275
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 12: compete in each game?

1276
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 4: Really quick? When you.

1277
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: And now great moments in.

1278
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 13: History and that I was still nice enough to invite

1279
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 13: you along. Yes, very nice. You got there were like

1280
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 13: six of us. I mean the place was was the

1281
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 13: you know what block?

1282
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: Why are you mad at me?

1283
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 4: Why? Why?

1284
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: He says, with the big grin across his face. Why

1285
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: are you so upset?

1286
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 3: I'm upset at you?

1287
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 14: Why?

1288
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, just you?

1289
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: All of our lives are open book. Why is it

1290
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 2: you are? Why you purposely do these things?

1291
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 4: Yes?

1292
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: I do? Yes, yes I do. I heartlessly talk. We

1293
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: all talk about things going on.

1294
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 13: You make things out of thin air that are not there.

1295
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 4: What's thin air?

1296
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: You were with a lady friend? What's what's thin air

1297
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: about that?

1298
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 12: No?

1299
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 13: A lady friend implies that there's something going on, and

1300
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 13: she wrote that that's the end of it.

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Speaker 2: Dude, look like but it doesn't have to be.

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Speaker 9: It.

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Speaker 13: It is because I told you yesterday and I don't

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Speaker 13: like it when you make me repeat myself.

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00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: It sounds like my father. You think I'm screwing things

1306
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: up for you. Just tell me you've been screwing things

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00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: up for me for twelve years.

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Speaker 4: Buddy.

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Speaker 2: Did you specifically tell him not to mention it? No?

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Speaker 13: I knew he was going as soon as he walked

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Speaker 13: up and saw us.

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Speaker 3: He had that stupid grin that he's got on his

1313
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Speaker 3: face right now.

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Speaker 6: I can so see it.

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Speaker 2: I won't mention it again. But if when something happens,

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00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 2: could you let us.

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00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 3: Know nothing is going to happen.

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00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: You know, like if they hook, you know, if they decide.

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00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 6: To nothing, is there thing to happen? You morons?

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00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with And why are you yelling at me?

1321
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything because because you're.

1322
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 3: Joking around to him on a little Yes, you.

1323
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Speaker 2: Admit it, but this is all Fred, I don't Okay,

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Speaker 2: what'd you guys eat?

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Speaker 4: Did I miss that part?

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Speaker 2: I had swordfish? That's another great moment from all right

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Speaker 4: Miss Can you call Eric just to get under his

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Speaker 4: skin for a second.

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Speaker 2: It must have been too quiet, like I haven't heard

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00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: hider hair of him. A little warried classic, I'm a

1334
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: little warried check him. But before the break, I teased,

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Speaker 2: I have a rule change that I've been thinking.

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00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 4: About and I've been waiting with baited breath.

1337
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 2: And it has to do with the communications in the helmet.

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00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: And my rule change is keeping on all games all players,

1339
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: Like why not? Why not have your coach be able

1340
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: to talk to the quarterback throughout the game? Like why not?

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00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: What what's the downside of that? So you don't like

1342
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: car you're always talking to your pit room, but you.

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Speaker 4: Don't think that, like you just like you know, you

1344
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 4: know deuce deuce is wide open, just a douce?

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 4: Because are you playing or.

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Speaker 6: You play quarterback? Paul?

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00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 5: Would that be distracting for you as you're distracted?

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Speaker 2: Help you?

1350
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: Well?

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00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: You worked out like some quarterbacks might like it. Other

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00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: quarterbacks might say, don't do that. But I think to

1353
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: have communication available throughout the game. What's the downside of that?

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Speaker 5: I like it was an XFL thing, you know, like

1355
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 5: one of the experimental leagues to try it, but it

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00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 5: would be interesting you get like a shorthand with somebody

1357
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 5: where you know you have cold words, so you just

1358
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 5: get one thing and you don't want to.

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Speaker 3: I would I would say it would be a really

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00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 3: huge advantage for certain coaches that are are better than

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Speaker 3: others okay, and so like you have Sean McVay in

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00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks ear at all times, that's gonna be a

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00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 3: gigantic advantage. And if I was a coach, I would

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Speaker 3: then put my butt up in the booth so I

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00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 3: could see the overhead and then you can literally receivers.

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Speaker 2: Better coaches then, you know, make it, make it a difference.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just think that that's the players competition.

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00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 4: I mean, now it's just the smartest guy wins because

1369
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Speaker 4: he sees it before something.

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Speaker 2: In every other in every in every other sport, pretty

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Speaker 2: much there's open communication during the game. Like you know,

1372
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Speaker 2: like an NBA you don't need headphones because obviously you

1373
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: don't have helmets, but the coaches on the sideline barking

1374
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: out things to players throughout the game.

1375
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Speaker 4: And the coaches on the sideline of the NFL game

1376
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 4: barking out there.

1377
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Speaker 2: You can't hear them but football, so you're.

1378
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 4: Telling me if you're down this end in the NBA

1379
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: game and the balls down that end.

1380
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Speaker 2: They know they can't, Yes they can't. They run to

1381
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Speaker 2: the edge of the table.

1382
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Speaker 4: They can screaming and they can't get hurt. They're not

1383
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Speaker 4: heard either.

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Speaker 2: But all I'm saying is why not? What's the downside

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Speaker 2: of that?

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Speaker 4: Like, I just don't want to. I don't want a

1387
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Speaker 4: league decided by the like the chess masters, who are

1388
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Speaker 4: just telling the coach orchestrating all of them, not the nerds,

1389
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Speaker 4: just because I don't think it really takes a nerd

1390
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 4: to see that that guy's open. I would not call

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Speaker 4: myself a nerd, and I do that in the press box.

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Speaker 2: Every ding he's wide open, just throw it to him.

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Speaker 5: There's progressions.

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Speaker 2: I still I still think that. I think it would

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Speaker 2: elevate the play. I think it would make it better

1396
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 2: play on the field. Maybe less mistakes. I don't know,

1397
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Speaker 2: you still have to execute.

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Speaker 4: I like competition, but that's me. I think I like

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Speaker 4: guys competing against one another.

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Speaker 2: I think I think this is still in the spirit

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Speaker 2: of competition.

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Speaker 5: That did you mean Fred just the quarterback or like everybody?

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Speaker 6: Everybody?

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01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 4: Everyone loving guys on both sides of the ball, and

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01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 4: they all have a thing. It's mass hysteria. Is he

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Speaker 4: talking to me?

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Speaker 12: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He's yelling like you know, that would be distracting.

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Speaker 2: But I think every team should have the ability to

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Speaker 2: do with the way they want to do it. Huh.

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Speaker 2: If they want to and everybody tell them they can.

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Speaker 2: It's just a couple of people on either side of

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Speaker 2: the ball. They can do it, but just let them

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Speaker 2: do it the way.

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Speaker 5: I mean, would you like clam up if you're a

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Speaker 5: wide receiver and you're like lined up and they're like, Hi,

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Speaker 5: can you go?

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Speaker 6: And you hear the coach.

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01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 4: Going pearls wide open, pearls wide open.

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Speaker 2: And you know, like that throw you off?

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Speaker 5: I don't, you know, like that's what you get used

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01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 5: to adjustment.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it would confuse me.

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Speaker 4: That's one of those things though you get if that's

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01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 4: the way it's done, you get us.

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Speaker 12: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I want less of why not because

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01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 4: I want more like the players play deciding. That's why

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Speaker 4: I'm not a huge I'm very much in the minority,

1430
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 4: but I'm not a huge fan of like the drastic

1431
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 4: weather games.

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Speaker 5: I was just gonna say that along those lines, we're

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01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 5: talking to rule changes, like would you ever consider playoff

1434
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 5: games being moved to neutral sites where they're where weather

1435
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 5: is no longer a factor.

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01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 4: I do like the fact that they're home field, all right.

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01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 4: I don't love it when the weather is a factor

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01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 4: in the game. I'm with you on this one, but

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Speaker 4: I do think that you win more games and you

1441
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 4: get the right Now, how what I would tweak is

1442
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 4: forget the divisions, Like, if there's going to be seven teams,

1443
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 4: the seven best records should get seated one to So basically.

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01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: Do we need even conferences? Do we just have a

1445
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 2: thirty two team league and every year the schedule is

1446
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: a big surprise and then at the end of the

1447
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: year it's just seating. Yeah, you know.

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01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 5: Well, I like rivalries though, I mean, I think there's

1449
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 5: something good about, you know, playing certain teams twice a

1450
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 5: year and always having home and homes, knowing you can

1451
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 5: count on that.

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Speaker 3: But the hockey, like the hockey format in the NHL

1453
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 3: is disaster. That's a terrible point and it's all messed up.

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01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 3: The NBA does it Paul's way where it's just one

1455
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 3: through eight now that play in but like you know, it's.

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Speaker 4: In the NHL. Used to do it that way, it

1457
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 4: changed it like whatever, Yeah years ago. That's yeah, Like

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Again, I know I'm in the minority,

1459
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 4: so I fully admit that I think of it differently.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a huge like division rivalry got like to me,

1461
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 4: the Patriots in the the Brady era, in my view,

1462
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 4: their rivals were Pittsburgh, Indie later Denver in Baltimore. It

1463
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 4: was never the three divisional teams, right that you have

1464
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 4: to play twice a year every year, like I you know,

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Speaker 4: I think back to you know, Green Bay Dallas games

1466
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 4: with Brett Favre and Troy Aikman. You know San Francisco

1467
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 4: Dallas in the Steve Young. You know, I don't think

1468
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 4: of the remember that Bears Packers game. You might not

1469
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 4: know which one I'm talking about because they played two

1470
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Speaker 4: hundred times tier.

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Speaker 2: And you have to look at the origins of the

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01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 2: divisions in the A lot of it was geographic based.

1473
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 2: It costs more money and time to get from places,

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01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: so they tried to a great point. They don't need

1475
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: to do that anymore, right.

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Speaker 4: Just you know, if you want to have the two conferences,

1477
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 4: so you still have like a super Bowl with the

1478
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 4: two different conferences. Fine, yeah, one to six. Yeah, and

1479
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 4: that's how that's how you play the conference.

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Speaker 5: I just when Kurt Warner was talking about it, though,

1481
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Speaker 5: I just I what are these teams supposed to do?

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01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 5: You know, like they like you can't pick that you're

1483
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 5: a Dome team or you're a Southern team, and I mean,

1484
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 5: I guess you so we'll just win, find a way

1485
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 5: to win, or you're gonna just have to suck it

1486
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 5: up with Kurt Warner.

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Speaker 6: But you know, but what are they supposed to do? Like,

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01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 6: how are they supposed to prepare for that?

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01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 5: It just feels like in innate disadvantage that the warm

1490
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 5: weather teams are on if they're gonna have to go

1491
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 5: play in a snowstorm. And I know, like that kind

1492
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 5: of weather can be a great level or for both teams,

1493
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 5: but still you're practicing in every day, you're a little

1494
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 5: bit more used to it, and.

1495
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: It's just I don't know that you're not really practicing

1496
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 2: in it every day.

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01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 3: But I'm with you. I mean I said that on

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Speaker 3: Sunday watching the Eagles Rams game, and I got attacked like, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, why don't you like weather games? And I

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Speaker 3: just I want to see the best team win straight up.

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01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 4: I want to see the players play to the best

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01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 4: of their abilities, right, I don't want to see a

1503
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 4: guy fall down because he came out of his cut

1504
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 4: too fast.

1505
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: So you don't think a team that can adapt to

1506
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: different elements makes them a bet team.

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01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 4: No, No, I think it's a team that adapted to

1508
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 4: the elements better.

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01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 2: Why because they had the ability to do that? No,

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01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 2: they could, they could adapt. If you're a team that

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01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 2: can't adapt, doesn't that I don't doubt.

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01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 4: I don't think it's always the team, Like the home

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01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 4: team doesn't always adapt to the elements better. So like

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01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 4: if it was just about that, then the home team

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01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 4: would always win.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Buffalo when they played Cincinnati a couple of years ago,

1518
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 4: Cincinnati adjusted better to the elements than Buffalo did. Right,

1519
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 4: So that that's not because they were better, it's because

1520
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 4: they adapted to the elements better that day.

1521
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 2: Why were they able to adapt?

1522
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 4: Because maybe they don't do things is in the same

1523
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 4: manner that the other team does. And the weather caused

1524
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 4: Pooka Nakou to drop a couple of passes that I've

1525
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 4: never seen them drop before, Like, that's not because they

1526
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 4: adapted or a Better or whatever. I don't like when

1527
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 4: the weather impacts the way the game is played. I

1528
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 4: don't care necessarily like the Better, No, that was terrible.

1529
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 4: That was one of the worst games ever to watch.

1530
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 3: You just want to see, you know. From my perspective,

1531
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 3: it's always obviously about the strategy and the x's and o's,

1532
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 3: and it's like, well that everything goes out the door

1533
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 3: if it's a blizzard, right, like we're not. You're not

1534
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 3: running your regular offense if if you have snow everywhere

1535
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: and you can't execute that regular offense. And to Pall's point,

1536
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 3: I just thought watching that Philly La game, I thought

1537
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 3: the Rams had a really good chance to win that game,

1538
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 3: but then the snow came and they just were making

1539
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 3: uncharacteristic errors because of the weather, you know, And and

1540
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 3: I think a big part of it too is like

1541
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 3: footing and understanding.

1542
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 4: I even think, but I even think it affected Philadelphia too.

1543
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 4: And this is where like, yes, I want to full disclosure.

1544
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 4: I wanted the Rams to win because I like the

1545
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 4: RAM I like Sean mcvahin, and I like Matthew Stafford.

1546
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 4: I don't really make any secret of that, but I

1547
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 4: would I would say that I don't think the Eagles

1548
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 4: played to their capabilities because of the weather. Also, like

1549
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 4: they couldn't really throw the ball. Aj Brown looked lost,

1550
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 4: like he couldn't Like he dropped a pass at the goal.

1551
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 4: I've never seen him drop that pass, the one he

1552
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 4: dropped at thelon. So this is not because my team lost.

1553
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 4: I don't like the weather. I don't think the Eagles

1554
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 4: played very well in the in the weather either.

1555
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 5: Well, what if we tied it all together and you

1556
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 5: had realignment and you have all warm weather teams and

1557
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 5: all cold weather teams.

1558
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 4: And that way mass steric line below.

1559
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 5: Well think about Miami though, I mean that's you know,

1560
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 5: when we think of it goes both ways. You're always

1561
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 5: looking for that Miami game. Are we going down there

1562
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 5: in September? Are they coming up here in December?

1563
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 6: You know? For them?

1564
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 5: What are they supposed to do?

1565
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 4: And at least I would say with that, like a

1566
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 4: Dome team that plays a team from the Northeast, Like,

1567
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 4: I don't think that's a disadvantage for the team in

1568
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 4: the Northeast, do you know what I mean? And it's

1569
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 4: not necessarily geographic based. Some teams are just you.

1570
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 6: Know, well, Minnesota is not as good.

1571
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 4: As the other team, and the weather equalizes the playing field.

1572
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 4: Like I don't like when that happens. I don't care

1573
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 4: necessarily who wins ninety percent of the time because most

1574
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 4: of the time these games are played between teams that

1575
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 4: we don't really care about, let's be honest.

1576
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 3: But like the win game is such a perfect example.

1577
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 3: Like the Patriots basically got blown out the other two

1578
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 3: games against Buffalo that season, but they won the game

1579
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 3: in the win because it was wonky.

1580
01:07:58,640 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and that's.

1581
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 4: Fine, Like that's you know, that's the team that I

1582
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 4: worked for and they won the games. And the same

1583
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 4: thing in the early two thousands with the playoff games

1584
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 4: when they went to Indianapolis, they were like thirty eight

1585
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 4: thirty four games they play here and it's like seventeen

1586
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 4: to three, twenty to three, you know, Like it's a

1587
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 4: whole different game that got played. Now, the Patriots, I think,

1588
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 4: were better than the Colts, So it's not I'm not

1589
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 4: saying the better team doesn't win. I want to see

1590
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 4: the game played the way it was played in Indy

1591
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 4: when the Patriots won. Yeah, thirty eight thirty four inside,

1592
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like I think that's showing

1593
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 4: the teams playing to the best of their.

1594
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: Abilities and they adapted. Yeah, they're right, they're right.

1595
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 4: About the adapting thing. But the Patriots were better, I know.

1596
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 4: But if they had lost a game because of the

1597
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 4: weather and you felt like they were the better team,

1598
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 4: you'd be upset. This is where I'm trying to be consistent.

1599
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 4: The Patriots showed you they could beat you in an

1600
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 4: indoor outdoor. The only thing that Brady couldn't win in,

1601
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 4: for some unknown reason, was intense to eat.

1602
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: I would like to know, like how many times the

1603
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 2: favorite team in a bad weather game lost the game.

1604
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 2: I would like to know that record.

1605
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 4: But I'm like, to me, it's it's less about the

1606
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 4: outcome of the game as it is the way the

1607
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 4: game is.

1608
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not as fun, it's to me.

1609
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 3: It's not aesthetically pleasing.

1610
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just I like to see the teams play

1611
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 4: to their capabilities. I don't care if the outcome is

1612
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,759
Speaker 4: exactly the same, right, Like, if Philadelphia beats the Rams

1613
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 4: by six and the snow never happened, that's fine. I

1614
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 4: just think that both teams played better.

1615
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: You want the outcome to be solely based on ability.

1616
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah. Now, coaching is part of ability, don't get

1617
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 4: me wrong. You know, schemes and whatnot. You know, this

1618
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 4: team had a better game plan. They they executed their

1619
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 4: game plan better and they won the game. Not because

1620
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 4: you know, well, they couldn't use half of their game

1621
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 4: plan because if the weather wasn't conducive to being able

1622
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 4: to in the wind wind game, have Josh Allen throw

1623
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 4: the ball forty times like he did in the other

1624
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 4: two games when they blew us out.

1625
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 5: You know, like makes me realize we should probably check

1626
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 5: the weather before we do picks today. Oh yeah, Kansas

1627
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 5: City and Philadelphia.

1628
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 2: Yep, last show I mentioned about you mentioned the picks

1629
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: that I'm rooting when it comes to the Bills in

1630
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 2: Kansas City. For Kansas City to win, Yeah, because I

1631
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 2: can't have the Bills winning a Super Bowl.

1632
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 4: Oh I can't even I can't even think you.

1633
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: I can't have the Bill. So if they're out, then

1634
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: they can't win the Super Bowl.

1635
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 4: This is definitely I don't want Kansas.

1636
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 2: City to win three in a row either. But of

1637
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 2: those two, you know, Sophie's choices I would take.

1638
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 4: If one of them has to win the Super Bowl

1639
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 4: would be rather than Kansas City. Yeah than Buffalo. Yeah,

1640
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 4: that's an interesting thing.

1641
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Avery says, I'm a fraud because I'm a

1642
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 2: fraud Patriots fan. If you root for Kansas City, get out.

1643
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I mean, I'm rooting for Buffalo, but

1644
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 5: I still feel kind of icky about it, you know.

1645
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 3: But I can't. I have nobody to root for, like

1646
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 3: this is like like I can't in my heart of hearts,

1647
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 3: I cannot root for Buffalo. I like Josh Allen for

1648
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 3: the Commanders. Hope, I I can't that also has.

1649
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 4: I just don't like the Commanders. Now, it's hard to

1650
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 4: root against this team. I'll say that. You know what

1651
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels.

1652
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 6: Is doing pretty cool.

1653
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I I just think it's a it'd

1654
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 5: be good for the league.

1655
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 6: I think a Buffalo won. I just you know, yeah,

1656
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 6: you know somebody did.

1657
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 4: When you say things like that, then that's when they

1658
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 4: jump on your sho it's fixed.

1659
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 2: Chad says, question for Paul, does that mean in your

1660
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: weather stance that no one should play in Denver because

1661
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 2: of the altitude, it's impossible to eliminate that as a bar.

1662
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 4: Man's that's a good point.

1663
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 6: A helmet, that's a good.

1664
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 4: That's a good comeback. I would say that the weather

1665
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 4: isn't necessarily you know, the same, like like I think

1666
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 4: Mike brought up Miami, Like that's a little different to me. Yeah,

1667
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 4: I mean, but it's I understand what he's saying. It's

1668
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 4: not a you know, it's not completely right out of

1669
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 4: left field. The altitude is that's part of home field.

1670
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 6: Me.

1671
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 4: You can kind not eliminate. Like the advantage is not.

1672
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 4: The part that I'm necessarily having a problem with is

1673
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 4: it doesn't cause you not to be able to do

1674
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 4: the things that you do every other week. Yeah, Like

1675
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 4: I don't think teams go to Denver and they normally

1676
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 4: throw the ball thirty five times, and they go to

1677
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 4: Denver and because of the altitude, they can't throw it

1678
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 4: thirty five times. That's what That's what Like intense wind does,

1679
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 4: an intense snow, stuff like that, it causes you not

1680
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 4: to be able to have a game plan that you

1681
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 4: have every other game.

1682
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 2: Sam from Saint Catherine says, how does any Patriots fan

1683
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 2: not like weather games? The dynasty doesn't happen without them.

1684
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 5: No, that's fair, And I mean when it's when it's

1685
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 5: your team and they're having Dome teams come in here,

1686
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 5: you love it. But I just say, as an overall

1687
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 5: football fan, you know, I just I would echo what

1688
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 5: Paul says. I just I want it to be level

1689
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 5: playing ground and it's not going to take it out

1690
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 5: of what it should be, which is, you know, like

1691
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 5: your thing, like the schemes and what they run and

1692
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 5: what they do best, and let these two teams play

1693
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 5: at their best and being you know, it's ever gonna

1694
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 5: be ideal conditions.

1695
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 3: But I also just watch games in aren't the Patriots

1696
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 3: so much differently than I watched the Patriots?

1697
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what I'm trying to get it. And

1698
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 4: I don't care who wins, right.

1699
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 3: You know, we were talking the other the other day

1700
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 3: about Lamar and people they don't allow you to criticize Lamar. Well,

1701
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 3: I just don't care. Like I'm not rooting for the Ravens,

1702
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 3: Like they're not the team that I care if they

1703
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 3: win or lose. I just think he's a great football player.

1704
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 3: I think he's great to watch, so I enjoy watching him.

1705
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 3: Like if you want to get hot and bothered about

1706
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 3: that he doesn't win in the playoffs, and that's fine,

1707
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 3: But it's just It's the same thing with the weather games, Like,

1708
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 3: I just want to watch good football. I don't think

1709
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 3: football in a blizzard is good football. I don't think

1710
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 3: it's played well.

1711
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 4: I would argue that if Adam vannit Terry missed that

1712
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 4: field goal against the Raiders, you would not look at

1713
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 4: this the same way. That's why I'm separating. My take

1714
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 4: is not about the team that I'm rooting for, because

1715
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 4: obviously the email is absolutely right, one of the most

1716
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 4: iconic games in the history of the franchise because you

1717
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 4: won it and then you went on to win the

1718
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 4: Super Bowl and it kicked off a dynasty.

1719
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 2: I don't.

1720
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 4: I can't separate that. That's like the greatest memory of

1721
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 4: the time that I've worked here was the first Super

1722
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 4: Bowl when we went down to New Orleans.

1723
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 2: But you can make the argument in that particular game,

1724
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 2: had it not been for the weather, you probably would

1725
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 2: have got blown out.

1726
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 4: Yeah right, I mean, I'm not willing to say that.

1727
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 4: I'm not willing to say that. I think that the

1728
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 4: Raiders had to play the week before. Who's to say

1729
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 4: they might have come out and the Patriots made have

1730
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 4: blown them out if they had had the ability. They

1731
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 4: threw the ball fifty four times that night. Yeah, yeah,

1732
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 4: they maybe if if the weather wasn't bad, they would

1733
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 4: have scored a lot more points and not been in

1734
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 4: trouble like that.

1735
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 5: It's a cool game, but it's ridiculous, Like it was

1736
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 5: ridiculous what they were playing that day.

1737
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 4: I'm with Evan. It's more about when I watch a

1738
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 4: game and I don't care who wins, I'd like to

1739
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 4: see the teams play and play to their ability and

1740
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 4: not have anything. You know, it's almost like you're playing

1741
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 4: left handed.

1742
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 3: Purely for entertainment when the Patriots are not playing in

1743
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 3: the game. So I'd like to be entertained.

1744
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 4: Emotionally, like when you're watching, like when you go down

1745
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 4: to Miami, you wouldn't rather have it be seventy five

1746
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 4: degrees than ninety five degrees so you can play a

1747
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 4: little bit closer to your capabilities. Of course you would.

1748
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one. I mean it's one of the reasons

1749
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 5: too why I thought that the College Football Playoff was

1750
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 5: pretty cool, because I mean, not really weather related, but

1751
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 5: just go into those old stadiums playing the old bowl games.

1752
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 4: You know, they I wouldn't be surprised that they like

1753
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 4: another round of home field for next year's.

1754
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,839
Speaker 2: Eight five five Pats five hundred is the TPX hutline.

1755
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 15: We got.

1756
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: A couple of people have been holding on. Brandon is

1757
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 2: in Indiana. What's up Brandon?

1758
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 15: Hey, guys, first time caller here is soon.

1759
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 7: To thank you for having me on.

1760
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for holding on quick, Thank you for you.

1761
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 15: Yep, what receiver this offseason, whether it's in the draft

1762
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 15: or free agency, do you guys think is the best

1763
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 15: fit for the Patriots.

1764
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 2: In the McDaniel's offense, for the in particular the McDaniel's offense.

1765
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go for that, Like you're probably looking at

1766
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 4: a guy's skill set for mc daniel's offense in a

1767
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 4: different way than me. I'm just gonna go talent and

1768
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 4: say T Higgins.

1769
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, I don't think it necessarily I'm kind

1770
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 3: of with you, Paul, Like I don't think it necessarily

1771
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 3: sways me one way or the other where I'd prioritize

1772
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 3: this player over that player, And in fact, I just

1773
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 3: learning from their mistakes, Like I feel like that's how

1774
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 3: they got into this mess. At wide receiver to an extent,

1775
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 3: was searching for a certain type of receiver versus just

1776
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 3: taking the best overall player at that position. I think

1777
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 3: that's why you ended up with Jalen Polk over Lad

1778
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 3: McConkie is because you were looking for a certain type

1779
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 3: of receiver. I mean, if I had to pick one,

1780
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 3: you know the guy that I look at and I say,

1781
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,879
Speaker 3: you know that that's a really good fit in this offense,

1782
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 3: Matthew Golden from Texas would probably be my pick. Reminds

1783
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 3: me a lot of like Dion branch or Troy Brown,

1784
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 3: like that type of receiver. But I don't I don't

1785
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 3: think it's necessarily necessarily like say, I'm taking Matt the

1786
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 3: Golden over Ted McMillan just because he fits the system better.

1787
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 2: If you could trade for any receiver realistic trade AJ

1788
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 2: Brown a J Brown?

1789
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, anything nudging him to the realistic category for the

1790
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 4: sake of this argument, will it will.

1791
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 3: It to be a J. Brown? I think? Is you

1792
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 3: know you can't go wrong with AJ Brown, like he's

1793
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 3: going to fit any system.

1794
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 4: Do we mention that that that sort of report about

1795
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,759
Speaker 4: the Tyreek kill thing. Jeremy, according to an NFC expects

1796
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 4: the Patriots Brandon if they can't get a receiver in

1797
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 4: free agency, they can't get t Higgins. You know they

1798
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 4: would be interested in making a trade for Tyreek Hill.

1799
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 4: I am not overly interested in that. Yeah, I'm not either,

1800
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 4: but although the price would be right.

1801
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,480
Speaker 5: I mean, he did quit on the field, right, It's like.

1802
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 2: Do I really want that? And like maybe he comes

1803
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 2: here and he's a perfect citizen.

1804
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 5: You know, it was like and I would I mean,

1805
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 5: I it was Jyalen Waddle who was like to you

1806
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 5: out and like it was just him on the field,

1807
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 5: like during the game, being like I'm out, I'm out,

1808
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 5: like like I mean literally having a conversation like on

1809
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 5: the field.

1810
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:12,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, I look at that something relevant Cheatah.

1811
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love Tyreek Hill. I think he's one of

1812
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 3: the best receivers in the NFL. I just I don't

1813
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 3: for a team that's trying to rebuild culture and rebuild

1814
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 3: the lot. You know, all these receivers come with a

1815
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 3: little bit of that baggage at times, but you just

1816
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 3: want it to be constructive, like you want it to

1817
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 3: be pointed in the right direction.

1818
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeh. Let's see Kale is in Iowa. Hey Kale, Hi, guys.

1819
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 8: I wanted to say thanks for all you guys do

1820
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 8: and all the hard work and time you put in,

1821
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 8: especially over your lunch breaks, which I know Hardy will

1822
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:47,480
Speaker 8: never understand.

1823
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 2: No, they they'd rather take six breaks per hour.

1824
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,560
Speaker 3: Right Exactly.

1825
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 8: My question today and I hope it doesn't gain any

1826
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,839
Speaker 8: in trouble is about ownership and their decision making process

1827
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 8: when it comes to hiring coaches. I feel like over

1828
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 8: the time the Crafts have owned the team, they have

1829
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 8: made some snap decisions when it came to hiring coaches

1830
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 8: that have really panned out. And I think that without

1831
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 8: Tom Brady, Bill Belichick would have been another one of

1832
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 8: those coaches, which I know is a big ask, but

1833
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 8: I feel like drafting him in the sixth round wasn't

1834
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 8: like they identified bad talent. So ied ton't know what

1835
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 8: you guys felt like, If Mike Brabell doesn't pan out,

1836
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 8: should the craft look at a different way to hire

1837
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 8: coaches or somebody else to be in that process.

1838
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I can understand. I mean, certainly with Mayo,

1839
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 2: they it was a colossal mistake. You know, I'm not

1840
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 2: going to be a fraud. At the time, I was

1841
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 2: hoping it could work out, but it was based on faith.

1842
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 2: It wasn't based on track record or anything else. It

1843
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 2: was just based on faith and faith in Robert Craft's instincts,

1844
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 2: you know, because that's all it was. That's all it

1845
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 2: was based on, and that is not a way to

1846
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 2: hire a head coach. And he admitted that afterwards.

1847
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 4: Uh that, But I would just push back a little

1848
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 4: bit and say, I don't think Bill Belichick was a

1849
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 4: snap decision. I think that was a decision four years

1850
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 4: in the making.

1851
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1852
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 2: I think what Cale might be saying is, had Tom

1853
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 2: Brady not come along and they continued to kind of

1854
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: found or would they have given up on him early?

1855
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: Oh?

1856
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 4: I think they might. I think he might have been

1857
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 4: in trouble.

1858
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying, Cale?

1859
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1860
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 8: And also with Bill Belichick, you can look at the

1861
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 8: when he was talking to believe Her edwards, he made

1862
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 8: a comment about how he thought he was on the

1863
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 8: chopping block.

1864
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 4: No, I know he was in trouble. I mean, that's

1865
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 4: that's a fact.

1866
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 8: Because you traded a first round pick. So not only

1867
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 8: did you make that decision, and maybe it was four

1868
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 8: years in the making, but if that had been a failure,

1869
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 8: not only did you make that decision based on instinct,

1870
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 8: but you traded something very valuable for the franchise.

1871
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Cale, but I'm having a hard time getting

1872
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 4: a guy in trouble for making that move, like you

1873
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 4: got the greatest coach has ever done it.

1874
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 2: I know. But but Cale, here's the thing, And I

1875
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 2: get what you're saying, like maybe they limited the pool

1876
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 2: of people they talked to, even in the Belichick case,

1877
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 2: but if you look around the league, most of these

1878
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: teams when it comes to the head coach know who

1879
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 2: they're going to get. I mean, you look at the Bears.

1880
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: The minute that the Lions were out of contention, they

1881
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 2: hired Ben Johnson. You know, it's not like they did

1882
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 2: this extensive shirt. They could talk to a million people

1883
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,839
Speaker 2: before the Bears, but they knew they wanted Ben Johnson

1884
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 2: and that's why they waited. And most teams are like that.

1885
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 2: Don't A lot of this is nonsense.

1886
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 4: You know, take of this argument. You probably don't want

1887
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 4: to compare yourself to the Bears.

1888
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: No, But I'm just saying most teams identify the head

1889
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 2: coach that they want pretty early on, pretty early on.

1890
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 8: Agree with that. I would push back a little bit

1891
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 8: with the Belichick thing, where if you look at it

1892
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 8: in a vacuum, it looks the way it does, but

1893
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 8: when stacked up with all the other ones, I'm not

1894
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 8: saying I more think maybe they should look at a

1895
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 8: different way. I'm not saying they have got interview a

1896
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 8: thousand candidates or twenty, but maybe the things that they're

1897
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,799
Speaker 8: looking for they should adjust.

1898
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 2: Yep. I mean you could make the case that maybe,

1899
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 2: you know, they take people who they're comfortable with, people

1900
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 2: who they're knowledgeable about it. Maybe, you know, maybe the world.

1901
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 4: I don't know any other way to do it.

1902
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 2: It's not like we've had a lot of head coaches

1903
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,440
Speaker 2: since Kraft bought the team. You know, you had Carsels,

1904
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 2: who he inherited, he hired Carol went to Belichick, who

1905
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,600
Speaker 2: last for twenty years, and then you had Mayo and

1906
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 2: now Vrabel.

1907
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 4: You know, so I would say that, you know, you

1908
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 4: definitely understand the criticism of how they went about the

1909
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 4: Mayo situation, and I think you could understand that people

1910
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:01,799
Speaker 4: thought this was sort of a set up with Rabel.

1911
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 4: I would kind of compare this a little bit more

1912
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 4: to check in that I think they kind of really

1913
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 4: thought thought long and hard about Rabel last year and

1914
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 4: felt like they couldn't do it because they had already

1915
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 4: done that contractual thing with Mayo and didn't want to

1916
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 4: go back on it. But I think that they they

1917
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 4: thought long and hard about Rabel last year. Yeah, I

1918
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 4: think because I don't think they expected him to be available.

1919
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1920
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 3: I think about the.

1921
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 5: Jets process because they interviewed everybody under the sun, but

1922
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 5: then they ultimately went to back to a player who

1923
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 5: had played under them.

1924
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 4: Jets.

1925
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 3: Coach they've hired for twenty years, but it's the.

1926
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 4: Guy that wanted them too, Like that's the big difference

1927
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 4: to me.

1928
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,959
Speaker 2: And don't remember, don't forget that they hired this outside

1929
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 2: firm led by Mike Tannenbaum to do this search.

1930
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 4: Like I said, I just don't know how different ways

1931
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 4: there are to do.

1932
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 2: Earn his money. He's got to earn his money.

1933
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 5: Well that's what it like like that, And that's a

1934
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 5: good comparison, because would it make you know, people like

1935
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 5: kill feel better if they had hired a search firm,

1936
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 5: gone through all this and then ultimately just ended up

1937
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 5: with Rabel. But hey, we interviewed twenty six guys. Does

1938
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 5: that make you feel better the way? Or do you

1939
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 5: think that they probably were gonna end up with Aaron Glenn?

1940
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 5: Probably no matter who they interviewed.

1941
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 3: I just think in this process to the Patriots were

1942
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,799
Speaker 3: the number one destination. I think they had the best

1943
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 3: opening available on the market. So in my mind, they

1944
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 3: they interviewed the two best candidates, Mike Rabel and Ben Johnson,

1945
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 3: and they had to pick of the litters. So why

1946
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 3: they don't have to go all the way down to

1947
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 3: Liam Kohane and you know, Joe Brady at end point,

1948
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 3: why would they waste Why would anybody waste each other's

1949
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 3: time in that situation. So you could definitely make the

1950
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 3: case that maybe they should have looked harder at Ben Johnson.

1951
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 3: But Ben Johnson took the Bears job sight unseen. He

1952
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 3: didn't They didn't even meet in person. They did the

1953
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 3: virtual thing and they just gave him the job off

1954
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 3: of the virtual interview. So it would have been quick

1955
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 3: anyways if it was Ben Johnson after the Lions were eliminated,

1956
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 3: and I think the Lions were eliminated a lot sooner

1957
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 3: than people expected, which also in acted that. But at

1958
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 3: the end of the day, they had the best job.

1959
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 3: They knew it. They had two prime candidates. They interviewed

1960
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 3: both guys and they yes, they went with the guy

1961
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 3: that they were a little bit more comfortable with and

1962
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 3: more familiar with. But I can't fault them for not

1963
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 3: having this whole exhaustive, extensive search because they're not. Thankfully,

1964
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 3: they're not the Raiders. They're not the Jaguars who nobody

1965
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 3: wants to coach the Jaguars like they can't get Liam

1966
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 3: Cohone to take the job, like they want to give

1967
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 3: him the job.

1968
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 2: Happened there because they after he pulled out, then they

1969
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 2: fired Bulky.

1970
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he probably said they're having a hard time

1971
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,560
Speaker 4: getting people really interested because.

1972
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 3: Of right, and then the Raiders are. I wonder if

1973
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,879
Speaker 3: get back in the mix now he could.

1974
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 4: I think, well, I think he well, not that it

1975
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 4: prohibits him. I think he signed an extension on Tampa,

1976
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 4: but I would be I think Robert Sala might be

1977
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 4: in line there now. But you know, to Evan's point

1978
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 4: about the Jets, it is like they there's like four

1979
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 4: or five first time defensive minded coaches offensive orient to

1980
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 4: coll It's Rex Ryan, it's Todd Bowles, it's Robert Sala.

1981
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 3: My whole life, they've had the same coach except Adam

1982
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 3: Gasee for two years.

1983
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 4: Adam gaze was the one outlier. He was an offensive Yeah, but.

1984
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 3: They herm Edwards, Rex Ryan.

1985
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 2: That's funny.

1986
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 3: Todd Bowles.

1987
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 4: What do you think that is?

1988
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 5: They got a tight go al grow for one year?

1989
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bart and I did this on Catch twenty two yesterday,

1990
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 3: were like the Jets just hired the same head coach

1991
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 3: over and over again. Like you could argue that Aaron Glennon,

1992
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 3: Todd Bowles and Rex Ryan and like all these guys

1993
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 3: are the same guy.

1994
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 4: First time coach is defensive coordinators. Yeah, that's what they

1995
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 4: maybe maybe Robert Salad like they all Robert Sala, Todd Bowles,

1996
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 4: Rex Ryan.

1997
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 2: Yea is interesting. Patty's an aga? What's up? Patty?

1998
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 15: Everyone?

1999
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 12: Hey?

2000
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 2: Hey Patty?

2001
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:51,879
Speaker 9: Uh?

2002
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,959
Speaker 15: Two part Senior Bowl question, Evan, are you going by yourself?

2003
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 15: Are you taking deuce with you? Because I know Alex

2004
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 15: isn't going and position group aside from like receiver and

2005
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 15: offensive lineman, are you most interested to see down there?

2006
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,719
Speaker 15: I'm interested to hear what you have to say about

2007
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 15: the tight end because I think it's not a break class,

2008
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 15: but it's got a few good tight ends. And fred

2009
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:18,839
Speaker 15: I went through at least just the NFC and AFC

2010
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 15: championship history, the only real underdog that I saw that

2011
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 15: won in a cold weather game. I mean, there's a

2012
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 15: two thousand and seven Giants, but they're a cold weather

2013
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 15: team that won in Green Bay, but was the tow

2014
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 15: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They were four point underdogs and they

2015
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 15: had never prior to winning that game in Philly. I

2016
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 15: don't think they had ever won a game where the

2017
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 15: temperatures were below freezing. And that's all I got. I'll

2018
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 15: take the stuff air.

2019
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2020
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 4: I appreciate the research because, as Patty knows, I'm too

2021
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 4: lazy to do it myself. But I think that that

2022
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 4: Giants Packers game would be an example of one. Now,

2023
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 4: that game was not played as it would normally be

2024
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,799
Speaker 4: played very cool. That hurt the better team.

2025
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,759
Speaker 2: Man, Green Bay, hurt Tom Copplin's face.

2026
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 4: Even even though both of those teams are cold weather teams.

2027
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 4: You did not play that game like you would play

2028
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 4: again in the middle of November.

2029
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 6: Brandon Jacob, I just.

2030
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 3: Remember watching that game, being like, the Giants are gonna win,

2031
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 3: and they're gonna beat us in the Super Bowl again.

2032
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 3: He just knew, like you knew, You're like, I was

2033
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 3: rooting hard for the Packers. I was like we can

2034
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 3: take the Packers. That's fine.

2035
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 4: The tenor the tenor in the offices stadium with us

2036
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 4: not not football was a lot different, you're.

2037
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 5: Saying because you beat them once and you felt like

2038
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:31,759
Speaker 5: we got these guys.

2039
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 6: It's Eli Manning.

2040
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,719
Speaker 4: I just didn't think they go to the team.

2041
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 3: Man I just thought we were cursed against the Giants.

2042
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 2: I knew it.

2043
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 6: They played good.

2044
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 2: Uh Teas in Virginia. Hey, Tea Higgins t yeah, Hey, hey.

2045
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 8: Hey, this is more of all season question, but.

2046
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 14: It's more for you.

2047
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 8: You're you're close to my age. Sorry, got everybody first,

2048
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 8: But has anybody ever been able to convince their spouse,

2049
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,560
Speaker 8: you know, to give your child a Patriots and spirname.

2050
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 8: My oldest child is thick and either boy, and I

2051
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,799
Speaker 8: was able to convince my wife to name him Julian,

2052
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 8: and then she wasn't gonna go for Tom or Brady.

2053
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 3: No.

2054
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 5: No, still early if you evant, though you have some

2055
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 5: I don't have any children, well probably Kyle, right, maybe.

2056
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 3: One name dogs after Patriots. No, I I don't. I

2057
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 3: don't have anybody in my family that that did that. No,

2058
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 3: and I don't plan on doing that.

2059
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 2: I was named after my dad. He was named after

2060
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:39,560
Speaker 2: his dad. That's the way it goes. My son grandfathers

2061
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 2: also Zach in New Hampshire. On one of the more

2062
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 2: recent episodes, a caller asked Evan specifically to explain what

2063
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 2: an XY slot, et cetera means from an X and

2064
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 2: NO standpoint, and it seemed that Mike was a bit

2065
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 2: offended that the caller singled out Evan because Mike could

2066
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 2: also explain that concept. Could Perhaps every time Evan explains

2067
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 2: things from in depth perspective, if you all didn't bust

2068
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 2: his balls for being a ball knower, callers might be

2069
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 2: more likely to look for everyone's input. We all have

2070
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 2: football opinions, but not all of us know ball, and

2071
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 2: we look to those that do in order to be

2072
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 2: more informed in our opinions.

2073
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 4: Correct so it alone, I know one of them.

2074
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 3: I knew Mike knew what he was talking that I

2075
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 3: said no for it.

2076
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 5: No, But you know that's uh, I mean, that's one

2077
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 5: of the things I loved when I got into writing

2078
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 5: ball football was trying to learn and I haven't like

2079
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 5: dove into it at the level of Evan, who's you know,

2080
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 5: getting playbooks and you.

2081
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 6: Know, breaking it down.

2082
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 5: But you know, there's a base level of knowledge that

2083
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 5: you know, understanding what the positions are called, and you

2084
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 5: know generally, I mean, I'm alread of the defensive side

2085
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 5: of the ball, but I talked to Evans defensive guy.

2086
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if you know that.

2087
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 5: No, we we had we talked to a little defense

2088
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 5: ball today because I was, you know, interested, uh, you know,

2089
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 5: I know the Patriots traditional three fourths usually two gappers

2090
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 5: up front, and I always wondered, you know, do you

2091
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 5: do you mix and match that?

2092
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 4: Do you have?

2093
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 5: You know, this side of the ball is going to

2094
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 5: two gap and then over here we're going to have

2095
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 5: a you know guy one gap and getting up the field.

2096
01:30:58,280 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 4: So you know, we we have we talked about all

2097
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 4: time favorite memories in the locker room. So when I

2098
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 4: came here, I didn't really know a lot of those

2099
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 4: terms at all. Like I don't really five techniques, I

2100
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 4: don't use a lot of that stuff twenty five, twenty

2101
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 4: six years later or whatever it is, but like two

2102
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 4: gapping and all that stuff, I had never heard that

2103
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 4: term in my life when I started working here. And

2104
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 4: then you know, Pete Carroll had the old elephant position

2105
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 4: and remember all that stuff, and you sort of learn

2106
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 4: those things. Belichick comes two gap Anthony Pleasant. You know,

2107
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 4: he's a bill guy. He's like one of those you know,

2108
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 4: gotta circle the wagon guys. Anthony Pleasant talking to him

2109
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 4: about two gapping, he gives me this look and I

2110
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:40,839
Speaker 4: just stopped in the middle of just me and him,

2111
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 4: and I go, uh, did I get that really wrong?

2112
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 4: He goes, no, no, no, you're pretty good. You're pretty good.

2113
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 4: Keep going. I go, that's about all I got. It

2114
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 4: was like we had this like just like looking at it.

2115
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 4: He's like he could tell that I was faking it

2116
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 4: and that I didn't know what I was talking about.

2117
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 4: He could absolutely.

2118
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 5: I would say for me, I understand more than I'm

2119
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 5: comfortable trying to express and explained to people, if that

2120
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 5: makes sense, Like I'm not really comfortable of rattling off

2121
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 5: things and like that. Like I but I think I

2122
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 5: understand enough that I feel pretty colm.

2123
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 4: I think people that cover the game, for the most part,

2124
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 4: understand enough. I don't think you have to have sort

2125
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 4: of a PhD, you know, like Evan. I don't say

2126
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 4: that disrespectfully. I say it honestly. I mean, I think

2127
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:23,560
Speaker 4: that's great if that's something that really interests you and you.

2128
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 2: But I think it's changed now with the access to

2129
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 2: the All twenty two that used to be forbidden.

2130
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I remember pushing back.

2131
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 2: I want to get access to that. Now writers and

2132
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 2: ball Knower's are allowed to watch the All twenty two, right, And.

2133
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are interested in that,

2134
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 4: and that's great for those people. I'm more interested in

2135
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 4: reporting and analyzing what I'm seeing as opposed to breaking

2136
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,759
Speaker 4: down like if I if I covered the White House,

2137
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 4: I wouldn't necessarily be overly interested in, you know, sort

2138
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 4: of all the processes that go on within Congress and

2139
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 4: you know, filibustering and and all that. I want to

2140
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 4: report on what's going on. I want to report on

2141
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 4: the results I think what it means.

2142
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 3: I think the biggest reason why I steered towards the

2143
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 3: other stuff is because nowadays, especially that side of it

2144
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 3: has become really, really difficult to break into because you

2145
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 3: have you have to have sources, and you have to

2146
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 3: be connected, and you have to have you know, a

2147
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 3: network and all that kind of stuff, and it's it's

2148
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 3: difficult to build that, whereas on the outside, when you're

2149
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 3: not here every single day, you can watch All twenty

2150
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 3: two in your your you can learn about the game

2151
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 3: I and you can do it that way, right, So

2152
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 3: I think that's why it's become more popular. But lately

2153
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 3: I've been getting down the rabbit hole of cadence and

2154
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 3: like the importance of cadence, and I find it fascinating.

2155
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 3: And I won't give out any state secrets, but like

2156
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 3: obviously the Patriots with McDaniels will now have a whole

2157
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 3: how do they get the offense started? Like how you

2158
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 3: actually get to like cadence And it's it's fascinating to me.

2159
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 3: And like sometimes it's just first sound, sometimes there's words.

2160
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's you know, we're going on the second sound,

2161
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 3: and you know, there's all sorts of different things about

2162
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 3: the cadence and like it's so important because the time

2163
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 3: it's all timing right, it's like all timing up, like

2164
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 3: you know, when you snap the ball, like these everybody's

2165
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 3: got to be firing off the ball at the same time,

2166
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 3: otherwise the play doesn't work. And it's fascinating.

2167
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 5: Here we go, Oh jeez, I'm the basic one onto.

2168
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: Uh.

2169
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 5: The comparison I always make though, is the weather. You know,

2170
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 5: some people will tell you what the baramount metric pressure

2171
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 5: is and all this, and other people just want to

2172
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 5: know if it's raining, you know, that's you know, like

2173
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 5: that's but you know, some people the weather interesting, you know, Right,

2174
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 5: So this is going.

2175
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 4: To come as a big surprise. But I tend to

2176
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 4: like drama I kind of created. But so that's kind

2177
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 4: of what more interests me, Like sort of when you

2178
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 4: know this particular year and it's obviously it's stunk for

2179
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 4: us because we went four and thirteen, But when you're

2180
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 4: hearing stuff out of the locker room, you know, almost

2181
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 4: on a weekly basis, you get some really good stuff

2182
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 4: out of the locker room. And I'm not telling you

2183
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 4: I want to lose to get that, That's not what

2184
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 4: I'm saying. But as a reporter, you sort of separate

2185
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 4: yourself from the wins and losses. Well you should. It

2186
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 4: doesn't happen often enough, but you should separate yourself from

2187
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 4: the wins and losses. And now and you're like, okay,

2188
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 4: if you're going to lose, I mean, obviously it's more

2189
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 4: fun to go to Super Bowls and cover super Bowls

2190
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 4: and have that success.

2191
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 5: Give me the drama.

2192
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 4: Give me the drama.

2193
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,520
Speaker 6: Tell me what's going on, and the story.

2194
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 4: And that's the LIFEbeat. I think. You know, a guy

2195
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 4: like Andrew Callahan, I thought did a good job of

2196
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 4: getting some of that drama out of the locker room

2197
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 4: this year that you can't get necessarily to do that.

2198
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's why I like football because there's so many

2199
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 5: different ways to approach it, to cover it, to talk

2200
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 5: about it. I mean, I love the game of hockey,

2201
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 5: but I just I couldn't ever analyze it. It's just

2202
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 5: like it's kind of a fluid game and you're not

2203
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:02,600
Speaker 5: going to sit there and break down plays. It's you know,

2204
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 5: little moments.

2205
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 6: It's like it just kind of happens. It's organic.

2206
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 4: You know, he's better than the guy, right he's and he.

2207
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 5: Skated through everyone and the scores. You know, it's not

2208
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 5: you know, Evan can get into the schemes of it all.

2209
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,520
Speaker 4: You know, you can talk about all the different.

2210
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 5: Situations and clock management and now it's it's what makes

2211
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 5: it such a great support.

2212
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 3: But I feel like that's what you know, makes us

2213
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 3: and like me and Barth, like Paul and you guys

2214
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 3: like kind of see the big picture sometimes that I

2215
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 3: don't see because you know.

2216
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 4: Why the kingmaker brought you in.

2217
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like that happens to me all the time.

2218
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 3: It used to be drags, Like Drags would be like

2219
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 3: they just got beat and I'd be like, no, like

2220
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 3: there's this seventeen million x's and those things that happen.

2221
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:41,759
Speaker 3: He's like, Nope, they were just better.

2222
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 4: You're and you're probably right right, but there are a

2223
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 4: million different things. That's what you always you know, like

2224
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 4: when you hear the cooking, we just got to execute better. Yeah, yeah, right,

2225
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 4: really you mean when you ran that play you thought

2226
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 4: it was going to lose three yards? Of course you

2227
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 4: have to execute better.

2228
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2229
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 5: Plus, it's like twenty two guys on the field, and

2230
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, you can pick up something new

2231
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 5: every time you watch it.

2232
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 6: Stop callers, All.

2233
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 2: Right, little programming note. I have to leave early because

2234
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 2: I have a meeting at two, So we'll get get

2235
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 2: to the pits and then you guys can continue. There's

2236
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 2: a lot of emails that came in. We want to

2237
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 2: get to them, so we're gonna do. Yeah, we have to.

2238
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 2: I have to get going.

2239
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 4: What time you're leaving pretty soon? Pretty soon?

2240
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 2: Gotta hurry, all right, Paul, what happened last week? All right?

2241
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 4: So what do I got here? Last week, Mike and

2242
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 4: Paul went three and one, Evan and Fred went one

2243
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 4: and three. Alex got an incomplete she did not show up.

2244
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:52,480
Speaker 4: Uh with the spread Mike three oh and one. Wow,

2245
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 4: good job, Mike, Paul and Fred won two in one

2246
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 4: and Evan oh three and one.

2247
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:01,560
Speaker 3: I just started picking with my heart.

2248
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 6: You got cocky.

2249
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 4: So overall for the playoffs, Mike and Paul are eight

2250
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:10,679
Speaker 4: and two. Let's see Evan is five and five, Fred

2251
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 4: is four and six. With the spread. This is pretty impressive.

2252
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 4: Michael seven to two and one playoff money, followed by Paul

2253
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 4: at five to four and one, then Fred at three

2254
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 4: six and one, and Evan two seven and one, and

2255
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 4: we all hit on the national championship.

2256
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:31,759
Speaker 2: I have a lot this week.

2257
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:36,640
Speaker 4: I'm getting to that. I'm getting to that. Sorry the folks,

2258
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 4: this is your lock of the week. Pick was a

2259
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 4: push push push. Fred had the Rams getting six. They

2260
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 4: lost by six. Interesting, So all right that that catches

2261
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 4: us up.

2262
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:55,559
Speaker 2: So let's get to Sunday's games. Two games left before

2263
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:59,759
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Three o'clock on Sunday, Fox and Fox

2264
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 2: the Fortes. It's the twelve and five Commanders visiting the

2265
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 2: fourteen and three Eagles.

2266
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 4: The Iggles by six six.

2267
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2268
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 5: I mean, Washington's a great story and I just was

2269
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 5: really impressive with with Jayden Daniels and just the way

2270
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 5: he throws the ball. It's pretty pretty to watch. Smooth,

2271
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 5: smooth athlete can run. But I think they run out

2272
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 5: of gas this week. I don't trust Jalen Hurts entirely though.

2273
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Philly to win, but I'm gonna take

2274
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 5: Washington to cover. I think it's a close game. I

2275
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 5: think Jayden Daniels continues to play well, execute under pressure,

2276
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 5: but I just I think Philly's got a little bit

2277
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 5: too much, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

2278
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,480
Speaker 5: My only wild card is Jalen Hurts and his performance

2279
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 5: throwing the.

2280
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 8: Ball through the year.

2281
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel the same way. I feel like I

2282
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:48,759
Speaker 3: can't pick the Eagles in a lot of ways because

2283
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,719
Speaker 3: I do think that the Commander's offense is just gonna

2284
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 3: put points up, even if it's not as many as

2285
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 3: last week. But I don't know if Philly can do

2286
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 3: the same. I don't know if they can score it

2287
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 3: with a run first offense, not a ton of passing game.

2288
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna take the Eagles. I I just I

2289
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 3: keep on coming back to the fact that I feel

2290
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 3: like the commanders are like a year ahead, maybe even

2291
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,040
Speaker 3: two years ahead with this run of where they really

2292
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 3: should be, and I feel like that's eventually going to

2293
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 3: catch up to them. That there may be a little

2294
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 3: bit premature to be at this point.

2295
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 4: It sounds like Evan was really close to picking the

2296
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 4: upset outright, and I was too, And and like Evan,

2297
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna wimp out and not do it. I just

2298
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 4: in the back of my mind.

2299
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 2: He's a rookie.

2300
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:37,599
Speaker 4: He's gotta he's got to be a rookie at some point, right,

2301
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 4: He's got to have a mistake, and he's.

2302
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 3: And everything is on his shoulders.

2303
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 4: Like it's not that defense is pretty good. Philly's defense

2304
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 4: is pretty good. Jalen Carter, Baby, Yeah, I mean at

2305
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 4: some point I think there's a mistake I'm gonna take Philly.

2306
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:50,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take the.

2307
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 6: Point trying to talk yourself.

2308
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 4: I want to take the upset, but I'm I'm not

2309
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 4: going to.

2310
01:40:56,200 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the nice story continues. I sense a

2311
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:04,759
Speaker 2: quiet confidence among the commanders. I do respect Philly's defense.

2312
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:06,640
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a close game in

2313
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 2: the first half. But I think that Philly defense kind

2314
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 2: of runs out of gas, believe it or not, in

2315
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 2: the second half. And I think down the road the

2316
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 2: commanders keep putting up points, and they went out right.

2317
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 2: They went out right.

2318
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 4: So can I ask, like in aside here talking about

2319
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 4: the commanders, the quiet confidence and all this stuff. Any

2320
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 4: does anybody look at Dan Quinn any differently? I mean

2321
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 4: I always have to, I have to admit I do.

2322
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 3: I always thought he was a decent coach.

2323
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:36,760
Speaker 2: Anyway, He's probably better than I thought. But you got

2324
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 2: to turn that captain.

2325
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 6: That's it for me.

2326
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 4: The calf remember at the indort, recognized by Paul wants

2327
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:46,640
Speaker 4: to have an intelligent discussion.

2328
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:48,360
Speaker 3: I'm pretty, I'm pretty.

2329
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 4: Who's here for the nonsense more than come on?

2330
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 3: Deuce and I were sitting in the Indie airport coming

2331
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 3: home from the combine, and we're sitting down to eat

2332
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 3: some lunch, and I see this guy at the at

2333
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 3: the bar and I jokingly said, oh, it's Dan It's

2334
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:06,599
Speaker 3: Dan Quinn. Because he had to have background.

2335
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:10,479
Speaker 4: It was Quinn. I just looked at it. Look. He

2336
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 4: took the Falcons.

2337
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 6: To the Super Bowl.

2338
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:15,440
Speaker 3: Kyle Shannon probably.

2339
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:17,320
Speaker 4: Should have won it right, But I think that's what

2340
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 4: a lot of people said. He just wanted you guys.

2341
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 4: You know, he's a Dan Campbell, Dan Campbell lights. You know,

2342
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 4: he's bullied by his offensive coordinator. So he's within, you know,

2343
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:29,679
Speaker 4: a ridiculous sequence of plays from winning a Super Bowl

2344
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 4: with the Falcons. That's like, that's no easy task, right.

2345
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 4: He goes to Washington, which has been the worst franchise

2346
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 4: in football for thirty years, and he had an hour

2347
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 4: in the NFC Championship. I have to admit, I think

2348
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:46,640
Speaker 4: maybe he's got a little bit more going on than

2349
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 4: I gave him credit for.

2350
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 2: Yep. I just think if he just turned the cap around,

2351
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 2: I thought.

2352
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 4: It was just an uninspired retread higher.

2353
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2354
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 3: No, I think, well, he definitely knows how to hire

2355
01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 3: offensive coordinators, that's for sure. But also he But I

2356
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 3: would say the other thing though with him, that separates him,

2357
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 3: in my opinion, from a guy like Dan Campbell's Dan

2358
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:08,719
Speaker 3: Quinkin can call a defense like Dan Quinn is a legitimate,

2359
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:11,599
Speaker 3: well in Dallas defensive coordinator. I did, I mean in

2360
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 3: Seattle he was the guy. So like that's the difference,

2361
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 3: I think, But you know, I hope is the same

2362
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 3: thing with Rabel is, like those guys could be defensive

2363
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 3: coordinators as just as easily as they could have been

2364
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,599
Speaker 3: the head coach. So it's not just a culture higher

2365
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:27,640
Speaker 3: like you're not just a raw, raw guy. You have

2366
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 3: that ability, all right.

2367
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,879
Speaker 2: The six thirty game is on CBS and Paramount Plus.

2368
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:36,720
Speaker 2: It's the thirteen and four Bills visiting the fifteen and

2369
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 2: two Chiefs.

2370
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 4: Chiefs by one and a half.

2371
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 5: Ooh, Moses, Yeah, I'm going I'm going for Buffalo on

2372
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 5: this one.

2373
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 6: I think it's their time.

2374
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:50,599
Speaker 5: I mean, just at some point, since you can't see

2375
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 5: you can't keep winning these games like this, like where

2376
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 5: they're just doing just barely enough to get by. I

2377
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 5: think it's Josh Allen's time. I think they're confident. I

2378
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 5: think they got something to prove. And I'm gonna take

2379
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 5: the Bills.

2380
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 3: My heart wants to take the Bills, but the fixes

2381
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 3: in for the Chiefs, So I'm going to take Kansas

2382
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 3: City and the Swifties, and I just I don't know, man,

2383
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:15,080
Speaker 3: they just until they lose. I just feel like I

2384
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 3: can't pick against the Chiefs, and they just find a

2385
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 3: way to win these games. And I just wonder if

2386
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 3: that's going to happen again. But I think Bubbo is

2387
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 3: the better team. Like I think they're the better team

2388
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:26,759
Speaker 3: on paper. It's just something about Kansas City.

2389
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand where Evan's coming from. I think Buffalo

2390
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 4: has just flat out better and I think that they

2391
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:36,920
Speaker 4: will win this game. I do think it's their time.

2392
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 4: As Mike said that said, you better not make it

2393
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 4: let it be close at the end. If you do

2394
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 4: your little thing that Joe Brady did last week and

2395
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 4: allow the other team to get back in the game,

2396
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 4: you're not going to luck out because Mahomes will find

2397
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 4: a way to get that two point conversion. So don't

2398
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 4: leave it up to a player or two at the end,

2399
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 4: because Mahomes will make it. I have unbelievable respect for

2400
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,599
Speaker 4: Andy Reid and Mahomes. We'll catch that and Kelsey won't

2401
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 4: drop the ball that Mark Andrews dropped. So do what

2402
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 4: you did in Buffalo. Instead of kicking a field goal

2403
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 4: to go up five, you go for fourth and two

2404
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 4: when you're up to when you make it a nine

2405
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 4: point game and ended. That's what they That's the mentality

2406
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 4: that Buffalo needs to bring. Will Sean McDermott and Joe

2407
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 4: Brady do it. I think they will, but if it's close,

2408
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:21,479
Speaker 4: I don't like it.

2409
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:26,679
Speaker 2: Folks, this is your lock of the week. Kansas City

2410
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 2: wins the game outright out covers that point and a half.

2411
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 2: I'm not saying easily. I have a lot of respect

2412
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 2: for the Bills, but the window was closing. They cannot

2413
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 2: upset the laws of nature by winning a super Bowl.

2414
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 2: And the best way to not win a super Bowl

2415
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 2: is not get to the super Bowl. So the chief

2416
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 2: the Chiefs do me a solid. They beat the Bills

2417
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 2: and then lose in the super Bowl. We'll deal with that.

2418
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 4: I was gonna do one of those lame gifts and

2419
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 4: send it to you after they won last week and

2420
01:45:58,920 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 4: just put the window.

2421
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 2: If I knew how to do that, I will. I'll

2422
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 2: teach it, so I I But in all seriousness, the

2423
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 2: Chiefs not how to win.

2424
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 6: They know, no question about that.

2425
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:12,599
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think they've been getting better every week over

2426
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 2: the last month.

2427
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:15,120
Speaker 4: I agreed that they know how to win, and that

2428
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:17,599
Speaker 4: would worry me a little bit if I was a

2429
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 4: Bills fan. I mean, if I was a fan, and

2430
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 4: everything would borrow me.

2431
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:22,639
Speaker 5: I mean, it's like Brady, it's it's like you said.

2432
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 5: I thought you laid it out so well.

2433
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:25,599
Speaker 6: It's like you got to score score.

2434
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 2: You mentioned you're going to look at the weather, and

2435
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 2: you didn't, sugar plumbs do that.

2436
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 4: Well, it's not gonna affect my parents, Philly.

2437
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:33,879
Speaker 3: It looks like the weather is going to be fine.

2438
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 3: And then uh looks like both games it should be

2439
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:39,639
Speaker 3: relatively fine.

2440
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 2: All right, I have to run. There's still another fifteen minutes.

2441
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:44,639
Speaker 4: You guys, take your guy first.

2442
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 2: I can't. I gotta go. I gotta go.

2443
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:47,920
Speaker 4: Punch them up, touch them up.

2444
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,799
Speaker 2: You do it and I'll be I'll see you next Tuesday.

2445
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 4: What you got, Christian?

2446
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 14: Happyth anniversary with the New England Patriots organizations. I keep

2447
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 14: track of these things, spread you.

2448
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:02,599
Speaker 3: Know, and I want to call you Freddy.

2449
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 4: You listeners to this. This is unbelievable. This is unbelievable.

2450
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 4: This is why we can't have nice things, Christians, not

2451
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:13,680
Speaker 4: your phone. What are you saying today is.

2452
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:19,440
Speaker 14: What thirtieth anniversary? We's been with the Patriots for thirty years?

2453
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, why don't we talk about it? Because now Fred's

2454
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 5: gone so we can we can. This is great, Christian,

2455
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,680
Speaker 5: You did nothing wrong. Christian, Thank you very much, for

2456
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 5: calling in.

2457
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:29,759
Speaker 6: We tried, We tried.

2458
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 5: Fred gave it one of the hold on, hold on,

2459
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 5: he's coming back, he's coming back.

2460
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:40,800
Speaker 4: Well, it's been brought to our attention that this is

2461
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 4: your thirtieth anniversary with the organization.

2462
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 2: I think it's actually a twenty fifth, but thank you Christian.

2463
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 2: Thirtieth Yeah, no, no, it happens on the twenty fifth,

2464
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 2: But thank you Christian. I appreciate that you've been with

2465
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 2: me from the start.

2466
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:59,599
Speaker 14: It's such a community and a place for us to connect,

2467
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,120
Speaker 14: and you put up with a complete nonsense. I mean

2468
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 14: we put up with yours too.

2469
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 4: Okay, he's non plusty, he has a meeting.

2470
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:11,240
Speaker 14: I love the show.

2471
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:13,759
Speaker 3: Thanks Christian, Thank you Christian.

2472
01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:16,719
Speaker 4: All right, ah right, well.

2473
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 5: Paul, should we tell that the audience what what was

2474
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 5: going on right there?

2475
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:21,759
Speaker 3: That is the most Fred reaction too.

2476
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 4: So I knew the reaction was going to be what

2477
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 4: it was. Obviously we had Christian, you know, deliver that

2478
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 4: news for us, because we knew Fred would be all

2479
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:33,240
Speaker 4: pissy if we did it ourselves and made a big

2480
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 4: deal out of it. But just it's the most Fred

2481
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,160
Speaker 4: thing ever thirty years to just get up and walk out.

2482
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, He's like, no, it's a twenty fifth.

2483
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:42,680
Speaker 4: There is a meeting. I happened to know what his

2484
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 4: meeting is. He is a meeting at two o'clock. Like,

2485
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 4: it's one forty eight. We got to prepare.

2486
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 6: Maybe you don't want.

2487
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 2: To be late, please damn skippy.

2488
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 4: Well, so thank you Christian for doing that. And I

2489
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 4: picked Christian to deliver that news because I am relatively

2490
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 4: certain that he has been part of this show since

2491
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 4: its inception.

2492
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:10,160
Speaker 6: That's crazy, so he would know that it's thirty.

2493
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 5: Thirty years for could we do a little like Cursed

2494
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 5: story time now, you know, in his honor since he's

2495
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 5: not here. But when I came in to do my

2496
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 5: just if you got a if you got a story

2497
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 5: about it, I got I got one or you know

2498
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 5: when how you got When I.

2499
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 4: Came in to do my interview and he had a

2500
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:25,559
Speaker 4: a like a meatball staying on his on his shirt,

2501
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm gonna be able to work here.

2502
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:28,800
Speaker 4: I don't have to dress up. This is I can

2503
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 4: do this.

2504
01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll tell my story real quick because I I mean,

2505
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 5: I've told you before when I got this job, I

2506
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 5: really needed a job.

2507
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 6: I needed a job bad. I was freelancing.

2508
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 5: I was just desperate for work, and you know, all

2509
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:42,479
Speaker 5: of a sudden, out of the blue, Fred calls me.

2510
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:44,600
Speaker 5: I like, Andy left, and I was like, I like,

2511
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 5: who are you gonna hire? I've been blogging about this

2512
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 5: team for ten years on my own emailed Fred and

2513
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 5: you know, We'll conversed a couple of times, and I

2514
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:52,680
Speaker 5: was in like an auto part store and Fred called me.

2515
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 5: He's like, hey, why don't you to come on the show.

2516
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 5: So I came on the show with you guys, which

2517
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:58,200
Speaker 5: was crazy, and uh, you know, here I am sitting

2518
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 5: with Paul Perillo and Eric and f you know, they

2519
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:02,599
Speaker 5: were they're the famous, you know, the great PF. I mean,

2520
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 5: I knew you more as the PFW guys after you rebranded.

2521
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:08,640
Speaker 5: But so a couple of weeks didn't hear. And the

2522
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,120
Speaker 5: funny thing was, and finally I'm like, hey, you know,

2523
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:10,720
Speaker 5: I email Fred.

2524
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 4: I'm like, what's going on?

2525
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:11,760
Speaker 2: You know?

2526
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 5: He's like So finally then HR calls and they're like, well,

2527
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 5: we want you to come in for an interview. And

2528
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 5: I was like, whoa, I just did a two hour

2529
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:19,799
Speaker 5: radio show. Does that count as an interview?

2530
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:20,840
Speaker 6: So I went in with.

2531
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:22,760
Speaker 5: Fred and we were actually waiting for no Socks to

2532
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:24,880
Speaker 5: come up, and you know, a little nervous, like I said,

2533
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 5: really needed the job bad, and and he's like, oh,

2534
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 5: you know what, So would you do this weekend? I

2535
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 5: was like, oh, I was just you know, down Cape

2536
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:31,479
Speaker 5: Cod at my mom's house. And he's like, well, wh

2537
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:33,400
Speaker 5: where are you from? I was like East Dennis.

2538
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,439
Speaker 6: He's like, I grew up in East Dennis.

2539
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 5: And so right at that point, I was like, this

2540
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 5: is this is where we started talking restaurants, we started

2541
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 5: talking beaches.

2542
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 6: Uh, and so that point I knew it as well.

2543
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:45,639
Speaker 5: So I'm for part of this part of the interview

2544
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 5: that was what they were already.

2545
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 6: They were already cutting they were already cutting you out

2546
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:50,120
Speaker 6: of But no.

2547
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 4: I I was actually I was actually a way for

2548
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 4: that second.

2549
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:53,680
Speaker 14: Well.

2550
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:55,880
Speaker 5: What other side note was that after I did my

2551
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 5: radio appearance, Paul like we ended, we wrapped the PU

2552
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 5: show and Paul looks at me and he's like, so,

2553
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 5: what happened to your sophomore year? And I was like

2554
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 5: what I'm thinking. I'm like, oh, my hockey stats, you know,

2555
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 5: because my hockey stats it was like played a bunch

2556
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 5: of my freshman year and I only played half the season.

2557
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:12,559
Speaker 5: My suffare because I had Mono and so I was like, oh,

2558
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 5: I have Mono. So it was that was kind of

2559
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 5: a funny, funniest side. But but I'll always be so,

2560
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:19,639
Speaker 5: you know, grateful to Fred for forgiving me this job

2561
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 5: because like I really needed it, and I you know,

2562
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:23,639
Speaker 5: it was getting ready to go work at the grocery

2563
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 5: store or something, trying to figure out how to make

2564
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 5: ends meet and and provide for my family. So now

2565
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 5: it's a it's pretty cool thirty years. That's amazing in

2566
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,519
Speaker 5: what a trailblazer he's been with the paper and the

2567
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 5: radio and the internet shows and everything that he's done.

2568
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:37,959
Speaker 6: So I'm glad we got to say all this without.

2569
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 4: Him here, yeah, because he would be mad. Right, you

2570
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 4: got anything, you get a story.

2571
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 3: I have a couples, but I want yelling at you. Yeah,

2572
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 3: but one of them that goes like I had just

2573
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:53,439
Speaker 3: started here and I came to my desk and on

2574
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:59,519
Speaker 3: my desk was pads of football plays and like you

2575
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,800
Speaker 3: could like you know, like to pad plays, like you

2576
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 3: could actually had the formations and you could draw. And

2577
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:06,719
Speaker 3: I'm just sitting there and I'm like, who who put

2578
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 3: these on my desk and he comes out of his

2579
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 3: office and he goes, oh, Evan, I put those on

2580
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 3: your desk because I thought maybe you'd want to pad

2581
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:19,640
Speaker 3: some play. At this point, I like, you know, I

2582
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 3: didn't know well enough to to like, you know, he's

2583
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:24,559
Speaker 3: my boss, So I was like, oh, yeah.

2584
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 4: Totally yeah, right, Mesh.

2585
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 3: As it turns out, he was Mesh, did you drop power?

2586
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 3: Definitely probably busting my chops, And.

2587
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 4: I was too nervous.

2588
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 3: I was too nervous to at that point to just

2589
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:39,599
Speaker 3: bust back.

2590
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:41,559
Speaker 4: So I got these pads, Like, I don't know if

2591
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 4: he wants me to actually come up with different plays?

2592
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, am I supposed to draw?

2593
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:46,200
Speaker 1: Like?

2594
01:52:46,280 --> 01:52:48,400
Speaker 3: Do I have to present help?

2595
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 4: Like?

2596
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 5: He always clean out his desk and he's like, what

2597
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:50,880
Speaker 5: is this.

2598
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 3: That you'd want those?

2599
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:55,240
Speaker 6: But you've been with him how long?

2600
01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 2: What?

2601
01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:56,360
Speaker 6: Twenty five years now?

2602
01:52:56,439 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 4: Twenty six seasons? I believe, wow? Yeah, And Fred's always

2603
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 4: been great. What you hear on the on the radio

2604
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,640
Speaker 4: is I mean, that's not that far off of what

2605
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 4: he is, you know. Off he gives us a lot

2606
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 4: of freedom to do our jobs, which I really appreciate.

2607
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:16,840
Speaker 4: It's probably the biggest reason why I stayed here as

2608
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 4: long as I have is because they make it very

2609
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 4: easy to work, and I would say Fred and Matt

2610
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 4: both do that very well. So I'm not as happy

2611
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 4: about Fred as you guys because my entire time here

2612
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 4: and I've been looking for something that maybe you know,

2613
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:35,880
Speaker 4: as much as I enjoy working here, it means something

2614
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:39,040
Speaker 4: a little bit more lucrative, shall we say? Right?

2615
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 2: Shall we?

2616
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 4: Shall we say? And somehow he finds that opportunity for

2617
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:49,679
Speaker 4: everybody else who's worked here, but not me, So I'm

2618
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:51,719
Speaker 4: not as high on Fred for everybody else.

2619
01:53:53,479 --> 01:53:55,200
Speaker 5: I The other thing I like well Fred though, was

2620
01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 5: like he's not afraid to play the fool. I mean,

2621
01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 5: he's really obviously very sharp, very smart guy, but has

2622
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:02,320
Speaker 5: a way about, you know, being able to be the

2623
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 5: butt of the joke and kind of.

2624
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:05,400
Speaker 6: A pure aloof and goofy.

2625
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:07,679
Speaker 5: But at the same time, you know, when it really

2626
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 5: gets down to brass tacks and there's serious stuff going on,

2627
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 5: you know, he knows what's going on. He knows how

2628
01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:14,720
Speaker 5: to push things, push the envelope, I mean, as he's

2629
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:15,360
Speaker 5: done many times.

2630
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:18,400
Speaker 4: And I'll just say, like, behind the scenes, there's been

2631
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:20,760
Speaker 4: a lot of sort of memorable things that have gone

2632
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:24,160
Speaker 4: on here, you know, with the organization, whether it be

2633
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 4: you know, They're not done Network at the super Bowl

2634
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:31,800
Speaker 4: in Minnesota, or Brady Knight, you know, just this past.

2635
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:36,360
Speaker 4: You know, the the level of involvement that Fred has

2636
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:39,680
Speaker 4: at the highest level, and I'm not saying this is

2637
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:41,920
Speaker 4: not like a joke like what Mike and Tony do

2638
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 4: to me on Sunshine dot Com. At the highest levels

2639
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 4: of the organization. The stuff that the Craft family not

2640
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:54,720
Speaker 4: only wants Fred's input but respects Fred's input on would

2641
01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 4: blow people away. The amount of things that he's had

2642
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 4: his hands on, and not all of them have been

2643
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 4: home runs. You know, sometimes we try some things. I

2644
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 4: remember we had like a Digital Gold Club, you know,

2645
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 4: DVDs and stuff like that with behind the scenes you

2646
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 4: know special you know, kind of like a version of

2647
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 4: the newsletter that we were trying to like special interviews

2648
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 4: and stuff didn't work. You know, they're not all home runs,

2649
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 4: but most of them have worked, you know, from the

2650
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 4: paper to the website, the World's Original podcast, the podcasts

2651
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 4: that we do. You know, Fred was instrumental in all

2652
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:28,720
Speaker 4: of it, and the Crafts really respect his opinions on

2653
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:30,640
Speaker 4: all of this stuff and that's why they've given him

2654
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 4: the latitude that they do.

2655
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's like the best ideas man that

2656
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:37,880
Speaker 3: I've maybe ever been around, where like you just you

2657
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:40,960
Speaker 3: might have even like a half bake idea yourself, and

2658
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 3: then like all of a sudden, he like brings it

2659
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:46,280
Speaker 3: out into this like whole, like big thing and they're like,

2660
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 3: it's you know, pretty crazy. Like I think the like

2661
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:51,760
Speaker 3: Brady Knight's kind of a good example where that was

2662
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:53,920
Speaker 3: something that was just sort of kicked around and then

2663
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,840
Speaker 3: all of a sudden it becomes like this amazing you

2664
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 3: know night for the organization, And I'll just say really

2665
01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:03,280
Speaker 3: quick to you know, just allowing me to do Catch

2666
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:06,080
Speaker 3: twenty two with barth in like when I got here

2667
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 3: and giving me that opportunity to bring the podcast with

2668
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:13,840
Speaker 3: me was was just a tremendous like I really appreciate that.

2669
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:16,960
Speaker 4: That's a great example of what I'm talking about. You know,

2670
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 4: he you know John Rooks playbook that we did for

2671
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 4: you know a long time. I know, you know, you know,

2672
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:23,360
Speaker 4: some of the things have changed over the years. He

2673
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:26,480
Speaker 4: had a fantasy football podcast that he did for a while,

2674
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:29,800
Speaker 4: you know with Banks, right with a couple of Don

2675
01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 4: Banks would do like a sort of an NFL at large,

2676
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:37,040
Speaker 4: you know, column online in podcasts. Like I said, some

2677
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 4: of them lasted for decades. Some of them, you know

2678
01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:43,280
Speaker 4: it didn't work. But the fact that he's always willing

2679
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 4: to try some different things and the Catch twenty two

2680
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:50,440
Speaker 4: is a great example of it. So again, thirty years

2681
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:53,600
Speaker 4: is not an insignificant amount of time to be at

2682
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 4: one one organization, and this is a business that choose

2683
01:56:57,400 --> 01:57:00,560
Speaker 4: people up and spits them out. Yeah, so I consider

2684
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:02,600
Speaker 4: myself lucky to have work for him for as long

2685
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:05,680
Speaker 4: as I have. I say these things because he's not here,

2686
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:08,240
Speaker 4: and he won't He won't know how.

2687
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 3: Long we just went on about him.

2688
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 4: He wouldn't be happy about it, but just we love him.

2689
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:17,360
Speaker 4: He's been a great, great boss for a long time

2690
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:17,640
Speaker 4: for me.

2691
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 5: And he's kissed Tom Brady. Let's jump over here. One

2692
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:23,360
Speaker 5: last call on the TPX hotline with Mark and Connecticut.

2693
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:26,760
Speaker 7: Heymark, Hey Evan, I was trying to get a hold

2694
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 7: of you yesterday, but I know you.

2695
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:30,160
Speaker 14: Guys are really busy on the Catch twenty two podcasts.

2696
01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 14: I just had one real quick one for you, which

2697
01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 14: you would.

2698
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:39,320
Speaker 7: Post it on Twitter. Slash x Jacobe Myers, great guy,

2699
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:43,720
Speaker 7: great chain mover on third down. Any possible way that

2700
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:46,760
Speaker 7: we could try and try him away from the Las

2701
01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:50,880
Speaker 7: Vegas Raiders with a trade or something of those lines.

2702
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I posted about that, maybe a little bit tongue

2703
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:57,040
Speaker 3: in cheek, just because they brought back Josh. I was like, Wow,

2704
01:57:57,040 --> 01:58:00,000
Speaker 3: we just get the whole band back together. But really,

2705
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 3: and you think about it, Jacoby Meyers last year had

2706
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:06,280
Speaker 3: a thousand yards with Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell throwing

2707
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:09,560
Speaker 3: him passes in Vegas. The Patriots haven't had a thousand

2708
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 3: yard receiver since Julian Edelman in twenty nineteen. Wow, on

2709
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:17,080
Speaker 3: the roster like period, like not even just a thousand

2710
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:19,720
Speaker 3: yard receiver here. I think DeVante Parker was the only

2711
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 3: other guy that's had in his entire career has had

2712
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:23,880
Speaker 3: in a thousand yard season.

2713
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:26,080
Speaker 6: I didn't realize that. Yeah, I just.

2714
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's you know, Snagalo never gotten just to

2715
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:33,680
Speaker 3: kind of like put your nose up to Jacoby. I

2716
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 3: think now I'm not saying he's the savior. He's obviously

2717
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:39,880
Speaker 3: only a piece and not the piece. But with the

2718
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:44,080
Speaker 3: Raiders also changing regimes and potentially changing offenses and all

2719
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. I just thought, you know, maybe

2720
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:48,720
Speaker 3: he would want to come back here with Josh.

2721
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:50,440
Speaker 5: You know, it just stands out to me about him,

2722
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:52,480
Speaker 5: it's just reliability, and I think that's a big thing

2723
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:54,320
Speaker 5: that was missing around here. And I know we could

2724
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:56,640
Speaker 5: get into talking about and look, we want dynamic guys.

2725
01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 3: I want speed.

2726
01:58:57,360 --> 01:58:59,520
Speaker 5: I want to really get a one two and guys

2727
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:01,880
Speaker 5: that move the needle. But I think there needs to

2728
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:04,440
Speaker 5: be an element of Jacoby Myers what he brought with

2729
01:59:04,640 --> 01:59:06,960
Speaker 5: just tough catches on third down. You knew he was

2730
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 5: gonna be where you needed him to be. That really

2731
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:10,120
Speaker 5: didn't exist last year.

2732
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean he's a volume slot. Like we talked

2733
01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:14,560
Speaker 3: about it earlier, like that, that's not really what we

2734
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 3: see the Mario Douglas being. But he is a true

2735
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:22,040
Speaker 3: volume slot. Yeah, you need the DeVante Adams or something

2736
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 3: like that on the outside to be the more dynamic guy.

2737
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:27,600
Speaker 3: But he's one of those guys that you could target

2738
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:29,640
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five times in a season and

2739
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:32,000
Speaker 3: he'd be able to play seventeen games.

2740
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 4: I like Jacoby Myers, always have, always will. I'd like

2741
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 4: to do better.

2742
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:38,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all one of his dad still listens to

2743
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 5: the podcast. I love mister Myers probably and probably still listens,

2744
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:42,720
Speaker 5: but you know.

2745
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:45,240
Speaker 4: I love all of the families that we've heard from

2746
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:47,960
Speaker 4: over the years. Again, that's a testament to Fred Marcus.

2747
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:51,160
Speaker 4: People care about there you go, people care about listening

2748
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:51,520
Speaker 4: to us.

2749
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:54,040
Speaker 5: All right, I think that's going to do it for us.

2750
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for the big NFC and AFC championship games

2751
01:59:57,880 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 5: this week, and I'll be in an AHL Hockey game

2752
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 5: for the first one.

2753
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:04,400
Speaker 6: No problem with that. But thank you for listening.

2754
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:05,959
Speaker 5: See you next Tuesday.

2755
02:00:09,160 --> 02:00:13,000
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2756
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:16,080
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