1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: And I'm Jay Glazier. And before we get to our 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: guest today, if you're like many people, you may be 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: surprised to learn that one in five adults in this 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: country experienced mental illness last year, yet far too many 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: failed to receive the support they need. Carolin Behavioral Health 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: is doing something about it. They understand that behavioral health 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: is a key part of whole health, delivering compassionate care 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs and tandem 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: Carolin behavior health raising the quality of life through empathy 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: and action. Welcome in now, my brother, my teammate, the 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 2: one and only Raider Hall of Fame, legend, television Hall 16 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: of Fame, and really the best person I've ever been around. 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: How we long? 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: How are you, buddy? That's a stretch. 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 4: It's not a stretch because you're the guy. So people 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 4: don't understand this. 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: Howie obviously is you know, mister crazy Raider, but his 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 2: well for me personally, I adopted my son Sammy. 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: I didn't know what I was doing. I leaned into 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 4: Howie to learn how to be a dad. 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: But on Sundays too, when my sky is falling and 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: Terry's sky is falling, Howie is our therapist and he's 27 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: the one, Hey, hey, this sky's not falling. This sky's 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: not falling. It kind of makes you one of the 29 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: best people I've ever been around. 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: Yes, I think it works. It works both ways in 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: every situation. I mean, I think sometimes the best advice 32 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: is advice you get from your friends, and you know 33 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 3: a lot of it's through experience, and you know, there's 34 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: no manual. I remember when Chris was first born, we 35 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: were out in LA and Diane had just graduated from 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: law school and she was she took a job in 37 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: a law firm and sleep was a priority, you know, 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: during the season, and with her having go to work 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: and you know, he'd throw up, and you all, we 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: had we had no family out there. We had the 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: Doctor Spock Book, so you know, you learn on the fly. 42 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 3: You know, it's like page forty two vomiting, and that's 43 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 3: how you kind of figured it out. And we unfortunately 44 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: did not have family out in California. So you know, listen, 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 3: like I say, if you're about in like six fifty 46 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: with with kids, you know, in terms of wins and losses, 47 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: you're doing all right. You know. You just got to 48 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: show up every day and let them know you love 49 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: them and try to give them as much guidance as 50 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: they they want to take. And sometimes they want to 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: do it their own way, and which is fine. You know, 52 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: you're going to make mistakes and we all do. 53 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: You know. I think a lot of people don't know 54 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: this about you. And if I overstep and you don't 55 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: want to hit it, you tell me that. But you know, 56 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: like our upbringing does make us kind of who we are, 57 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: and you are way tougher upbringing. 58 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 4: Than anybody else. First of all, tell people where you 59 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 4: grew up. 60 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: People don't know that I grew up in Charlestown, Massachusetts, 61 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 3: right in the city of Boston. 62 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: Which is famous for the move of the town. More 63 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: bank robberies than anybody any other place in America. Howie 64 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: robbed seventy five of them. 65 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I can't say this with you know, I 66 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: don't have to pull the old you know, I have 67 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: no knowledge of the aforementioned incident no, I did not 68 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: rob any banks. 69 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not a particularly tough kid. 70 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 3: I mean I figured it out around sixteen. You know 71 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 3: where you start to kind of realize, wait, you know, 72 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: I don't have to take this crap anymore. And I'm 73 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: physically you know, I'm gifted enough physically where you don't 74 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: have to do it. You don't have to take it anymore. 75 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: And when you grow up in that kind of neighborhood, 76 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: you know it it in many ways, I think has 77 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: you know, shaped the foundation of who I was. And 78 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: you know, we didn't play organized sports. I didn't play 79 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: organized sports until we had the Bussing Riots desegregation in Boston, 80 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: and I think it was seventy four seventy five. I 81 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: was living with my grandmother, my uncle Mike, and my 82 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: aunt Edie. I was fortunate to have extended family that 83 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: was kind enough to take me in. Uncle Mike was 84 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: the oldest of four uncles, and you know, worked in 85 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: the projects. And you know that a number of people 86 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 3: in the family worked in the projects. That was Uncle 87 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 3: Mike got the job, then he got Uncle Billy's the job, 88 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 3: and then he got my dad a job there, and 89 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: everyone else worked at Hood's Milk and my uncle John 90 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: was a cop in the North End. We played the 91 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 3: street and you know, we played basketball, ball, hockey, ice hockey. 92 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: Grew up playing that and you know, dreamed about being 93 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: Bobby Orr and you know, learned how to compete and 94 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 3: you know, how to be tougher playing in the streets. 95 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 3: And then when I went up to live with my 96 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: uncle Billy out in Milford, you know, he was the 97 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: first family member to kind of move out of Charlestown. 98 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: And life is filled with I think a lot of 99 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: forks in the road, you know, and I've been at 100 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: a number of forks in the road during the course 101 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: of my life. You know, whether it's going to live 102 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: with Uncle Billy, going to live with Uncle Mike. But 103 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 3: you know, certainly that walked down the hallway as a 104 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: fourteen year old at Milford High School and high school 105 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: coach by the name of Dick Corbyn, who ended up 106 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: going on to coach at Harvard, asked me who I 107 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: was and did I want to play football? And they 108 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 3: showed me how to put the equipment on, and I 109 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: was terrible. I was like a horse that just fell 110 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: out of his mama, and you know, was just you know, 111 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 3: all legs and arms and you know, dangling around. Not 112 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: really that good. Fortunately, it was a good football team 113 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: and we had a couple of three guys that ended 114 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 3: up playing, you know, in some form, whether it's Canadian 115 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 3: League or USFL. Joe Rustick went on to captain Notre Dame. 116 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: His dad was the coach at Harvard. And you know, 117 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: fast forward three years later, I'm seventeen year old, who's 118 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: you know, fortunate enough to get two offers to play 119 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 3: college football and another fork in the road. Do I 120 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: stay at Boston College or do I go to Villanova. 121 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: My grandmother, in her infinite wisdom, wanted me to get 122 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 3: out of the neighborhood. And you know, she liked the 123 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: coach who recruited me, Bob Capone went down to Villanova. 124 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: I was a seventeen year old freshman and went down 125 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: there with the clothes on my back and no bank account, 126 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: no credit card, no money, no driver's license. And I 127 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: never left Villanova. I never you know, Uncle Billy and 128 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: aunt Ada, who had two kids and two adopted kids, 129 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: took me in and you know, it was a very 130 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: close knit family, but you know, they were struggling. I 131 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: don't want to say struggling. I mean, I guess it 132 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 3: was a struggle financially, you know, because the meals were 133 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 3: I left there at six five to twenty one that summer, 134 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: I went to Villanova. I got a meal cart, and 135 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 3: I went in the weight room for the first time. 136 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: I was too sixty five when camp opened. I was 137 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: a bigger person waiting to happen. But I started as freshman, 138 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: played four years. And fast forward to uh, you know, 139 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: getting out of Villanova and Diane and I had no 140 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: idea that I played pro football. You know, I met 141 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: Diane and at Villanova, and you know that was obviously 142 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 3: a fork in the road, and you know another one, and. 143 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: I think, what makes you different? Obviously? Look, you're known 144 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: as the big band d You epitomize those badass fucking 145 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: Raider teams because and you and I talked about this, 146 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: we both kind of have that beast in the box 147 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: right where I got that beast in the box that 148 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: gets me in troublesotimes but also led me in the 149 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: cage to go fight people and still. 150 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: Drain and lid. You know, you sure you know you 151 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 4: being a bad motherfuckers? What made you a Hall of Famer? 152 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 4: When did you realize that. 153 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: You had that beast that we got, like we could 154 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: use it for power, but you could also get us 155 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: in trouble. Like it's there. 156 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 3: I think it. You know, it kind of popped its 157 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: head out at Villanova a little bit. When did I 158 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: fully kind of realize you know, listen, when you're at 159 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: Villanova and you're playing Delaware, and you're playing Cornell, and 160 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: you know, occasionally you play Boston College every year, you 161 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: see a higher level of competition, and then we played 162 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: Clemson one year when they were number one team in 163 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: the country. You know, one of those games they scheduled 164 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: earlier in the season and you drive down there and 165 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: you get your ass kicked for millions of dollars and 166 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: you know whatever, you know, the university got paid. You know, 167 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: I think when I got to the Raiders, which again 168 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: was you know, you want to talk about a culture change. 169 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 3: You go from Villanova where you're you know, you're playing 170 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: Delaware and you know you're you're I could have been 171 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 3: hit by a bus at Villanova and it would have made 172 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 3: page three of the newspaper, the local newspaper, and you know, 173 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: to go through the whole process of playing in the 174 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: Blue Gray game, which I got in because Joe Rustick's 175 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: father was the coach at Harvard and Joe Rustic played 176 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: at Notre Dame. His dad was the coach at Harvard 177 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 3: and he was on the selection committee for the Blue 178 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: Gray Game, and I Jimmy Johnson the coach. Well that 179 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: was the irony, you know, another and a fork in 180 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 3: the road. Jimmy Johnson is the coach of the North. 181 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: So go figure that and h end up winning the MVP, 182 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: and you know then I ran for you know, people 183 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 3: have pro days. When you're at a small school. People 184 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: knock on your dorm room door on a Sunday and 185 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: they've got their girlfriend in the car, and it's a 186 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 3: scout from you know, filling the blank team and he's 187 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: really just checking a box, you know. I mean, no 188 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 3: one saw me getting drafted in the second round and 189 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: the Raiders drafted me, and I you know, I remember 190 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: on I think it was on ESPN and I'm paraphrasing, 191 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: but they, you know, they say, you know, they wasted 192 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: a pick. He's you know, they could have gotten him 193 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: in the sixth round or seventh round or whatever. And 194 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 3: you know, fortunately for me, you know, it was Al Davis. 195 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: It was Ron Wolf. It was Earl Leggott. Al and 196 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: Ron are both Hall of Famers. Earl brought Michael Strahan up, 197 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: brought me up as players, and you know, kind of 198 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: was the foundation of who he became as players. And 199 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: we've talked about that often, another fork in the road. 200 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: You know, I was fortunate to be around guys. You know, 201 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: really you didn't really need to look too far to 202 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: see what great was. You know, you get drafted in 203 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: that organization, you know, Artchelle, Gene Upshaw. They were guys 204 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: that you know, were tough on me, but you know, 205 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: also brought me along. Early on, Lyle Alzado, I lived 206 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: with a guy named Cedra Cartman, who was a great 207 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: pass rusher with the forty nine ers, And ironically enough, 208 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: he was Joe Green's roommate in North Texas State. And 209 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: we played Pittsburgh on Monday night my rookie year. And 210 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: here we are in this little house in Alameda. I'm 211 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 3: making thirty eight thousand dollars, one thousand and seven dollars 212 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: after after taxes, and Joe Green's coming over for dinner, 213 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 3: you know, and I was like, I played at Villanova, 214 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 3: so the Steelers were kind of the team that I 215 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 3: really paid attention to, and which is ironic because now 216 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: with Terry for this year, thirty years he and I've 217 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 3: been together, which is really ironic. But you know, for 218 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 3: Joe Green to walk in your house as a you know, 219 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: twenty just turned twenty one year old, you know, was amazing. 220 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: And I really figured out who I was. Year one, 221 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: I came in on third down. Year two was a 222 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: strike shortened year, so it was an eight nine game season. 223 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 3: And year three was my first full season, and I 224 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: was all Pro and you know, we won a Super 225 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 3: Bowl and I knew then, you know, I'm not sure 226 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: where it was, but I knew I could handle myself 227 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: with just about anybody, and I was confident about that. 228 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: And that was through a lot of hard work. And 229 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: you know, great coaching, you know, when you're in an 230 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 3: organization like that, you know Al Davis, Ron Wolfe, as 231 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: I mentioned, Freddie Blittnikoff's on the staff, Jim Otto's around. 232 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: You know, great players who historic players who were a 233 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: big part of the history of that organization were always around, 234 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 3: so you know, you didn't have to look forward to 235 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 3: see what greatness. Willie Brown, good friend, you know, coach 236 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: for a long time, just passed away. The last few years. 237 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 3: Cliff Branch used to sleep on our sofa, Cedric and 238 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 3: my sofa? 239 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: Are you living with? 240 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 3: I did live we in eighty two. It's just really 241 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: you were to talk about mental health. In eighty two. 242 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: We practiced in Oakland and played in La so every 243 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 3: game was a road game, and Diane was in law 244 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: school and here I was at the Oakland Airport. Hilton 245 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 3: Lyles said, you're living with me, and we're in a 246 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: single room with two queen beds. And he'd go to 247 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: sleep at like nine point fifteen. You'd have a piece 248 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: of chocolate cake and a glass of milk, and he 249 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 3: shut the TV off, didn't ask if I was watching anything. 250 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,119 Speaker 3: But fortunately Marcus and a guy by named Mikal Peterson, 251 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: good guy linebacker, were staying across the hall from us, 252 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: and I'd get a roll away cot and I'd go 253 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: over there and sleep a lot of nights. Yeah, Lyle was, 254 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: Uh Lyle was. He was. He was everything you'd think 255 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 3: and a little bit more. 256 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: Why don't you tell Lyley you wanted to watch DV? 257 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 3: You know, I'm twenty one two years old, he's thirty four, 258 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: thirty three Yeah, it's Lyle Alzato. You know, it's like 259 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: we didn't have a contentious relationship at all. I always 260 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: likened it too. It was Russia and USA. It was like, 261 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: you know, it's if it happens, it's the nuclear you 262 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: know kind of deal where you're going to blow each 263 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: other up. So I think I think, you know, he 264 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: respected me from a physical standpoint, and you know, I 265 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 3: enjoyed Lyle. Lyle was very good to me. He was 266 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: you know, one day to the next door within a day. 267 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: He could be in multiple moods. There was a lot 268 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 3: of up and down with him, but great player. 269 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: Le prepared you for me and Terry. Is what you're saying. 270 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: If you can live with Lyle Alzado and Oakland, Oakland, 271 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 3: Oakland Airport, Hilton, you're You're good. You're good for everything. 272 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: Tell everyone that. I can never tell it enough. The 273 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: story with you and Lyle going to the Super. 274 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 3: Bowl, well, we always took a cab. Lyle and I 275 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: always took a cab. The first time we took I. 276 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: Never asked you that why did you take the gym 277 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: instead of just going on the buses. 278 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 3: Because the buses didn't leave the busses didn't leave till later, 279 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: and we had pregame meal early and you know, you'd 280 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 3: eat and they'd go through special team's roll call and 281 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 3: l one it was you know, Smith, Jones, McCarthy, whoever, 282 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: you know, it was for three guys would say their name, 283 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: just so that we knew who was going in on 284 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: what and that wasn't going to be screwed up for 285 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 3: whatever reason. That's what we did. And that was at 286 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 3: like nine o'clock and it ended at nine. Everyone will 287 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: go up to their room and hang out for an 288 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: hour hour and a half. Lyle and I like to 289 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: get I like to get to the stadium early. I'd 290 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: like to go over every formation. I had formation sheets, 291 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: and I had if they ran eighteen Bob Treyo twenty 292 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: five times, I had it written out twenty five times 293 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: underneath the right tackle, and if it was Bill Otto 294 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: to the weak side, I'd drawed up the number of times. 295 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 3: I didn't want to write it five times, Bill joke Row. 296 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: I wrote Bill joke Row five times because mentally in 297 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 3: my head, I wanted to see it as soon as 298 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: the huddle broke. If I could divide the field in 299 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: half and say, you know, near eye far eye, split backs, 300 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 3: whatever trips, you know, two tight ends, jumbo, why off 301 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: y motion. I in my head, I wanted to be 302 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: able to process within five six seconds what I thought 303 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: the play was, or at least I could divide the 304 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: field in half. And Lyle would get fully dressed and 305 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: go lie down in front of his locker, put a 306 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: towel under his head, and he pass out and go 307 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: dead to sleep for an hour hour and a half 308 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: before everyone came. Now, I was in my still in 309 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: my warm up stuff, shorts and you know, put on 310 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 3: some cleats. I go out and do some strides, stretch 311 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: a little bit. I like to get there early and 312 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: be prepared. So this is the Super Bowl in Tampa, right, 313 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 3: So we take a cab for the first time when 314 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: we go to la in eighty two. Lyle comes with 315 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 3: us in eighty two, so he wants to take a 316 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 3: cab to go there early. I said, great, I'll you know, 317 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: I'll go there early. He ends up taking us to 318 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: Dodgers Stadium. The place is empty. Obvia cab driver the 319 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: Super Bowl. His meters in the red. So that's our 320 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: first cab rock. So the season goes on strike. We 321 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: go to the Super Bowl, and we've taken a cab 322 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: every week, and you think about doing this now versus 323 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty three. Now it's you know, there's concrete blocks, 324 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 3: there's you know, streets are blocked off, the police, helicopters, 325 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: the whole thing. Lyle and I got in the cab 326 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: and went to the Super Bowl, super Bowl eighteen down 327 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 3: in Tampa Bay versus the Washington Redskins, but then Washington Redskins. 328 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 3: And we get stuck in traffic about three quarters of 329 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 3: a mile from the parking lot and it's it's logjam. 330 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 3: Kyle wants a cap, Lyle wants a cab driver to 331 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: go up on the curb and you know, avoid the 332 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 3: traffic and get us to the stadium. Cab driver's frightened 333 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: to death. He's, you know, frightening that he's going to 334 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: lose his license, frightened to Lyle and Lyle's meters in 335 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: the red. We get out of the cab and we 336 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: literally walked the last three quarters a mile through the 337 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 3: parking lot with our bag and you know, through the 338 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 3: fans into the stadium for Super Bowl eighteen. 339 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 4: How many people was loud, and you know, he just 340 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 4: had that look on his face. 341 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 5: That. 342 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 3: You know, if you knew lyle, you just you knew 343 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: when that look was there was is he's in the red. 344 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 3: You know, he went to his dark pms were in 345 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 3: the red. And if you if you couldn't read that 346 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: face and the walk, you weren't real sharp. 347 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 2: You could you imagine today nowadays couldn't happen just you know, 348 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: the no boundaries with anybody. I mean, you couldn't even 349 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 2: think about it today. 350 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 3: Right, no, I you know, listen, it was a time 351 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 3: when fights and practice fights and locker room fights on airplanes, 352 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 3: you know, and and there was no Jay Glazier then 353 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 3: it was the three major networks and ESPN was kind 354 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 3: of doing tractor pulls and you know, doing that at 355 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: the time. And you know he had the local beat 356 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 3: writers are matter of fact, John Zaresky who worked with 357 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 3: us for forever We love Zar, he just retired last year. 358 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: He was our local beat writer along with you know, 359 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: a writer from the La Times. And you know, but 360 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: the beat writer flew on the plane. He knew everybody. 361 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 3: It was a wink and a nod, you know, and 362 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: and things just weren't reported. 363 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: So back then again, you were you were crazy. How 364 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: are you let's say, right, you have to beat and then. 365 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: You know, Jay, I've kind of been the same guy 366 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: I was. The switch was on a lot more, but 367 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 3: I was the same I'm the same guy. I'm the 368 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: same guy that doesn't like to go out. I'm not 369 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 3: a partier, That's just not me. I do the Irish 370 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: exit a lot, you know. But uh, I was the 371 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: same guy, just I was in the Red a lot. 372 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 3: So that that was my that's my question. 373 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm around they constantly, right, and you're you're writing 374 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: notes all the time and you're having versus Jordachraze to 375 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: keep that beast in the box. Did you make the 376 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: decision though, to hey, I'm going to keep that writ 377 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: myself out of the red. When you had Chris or 378 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: was it before that or after that? When you have kids, 379 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: it seemed like you changed your life then. 380 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: I think Chris started the process. Having Chris having a son, 381 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: you know, it changes everything, you know, it changes how 382 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: you panel yourself, what you do and what you don't do. 383 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: And you never want you know, the one thing you 384 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: don't want to do is you don't ever want to 385 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: disappoint your your son or sons. And I think for me, 386 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 3: here was the thing. And you know, Chris and I 387 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: have had this conversation, and I've had this conversation with 388 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 3: Kyle a little bit. I played thirteen years and never 389 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 3: had a dollar guaranteed, which means you could be cut 390 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 3: at any time. 391 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 2: Well, you never had a guarantee China bonus. 392 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 3: No, Well I had a sign My signing bonus in 393 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty one was eighty thousand dollars, which they told 394 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 3: me was too much money to give me all at once, 395 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: so they spread it out over two years. Okay, really yes, 396 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 3: So here, I'm playing for thirteen years, and eight of 397 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: those years were with kids, So you're always under the gun, 398 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 3: and there's injuries getting shot up, and you know, you're 399 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: you're trying to come back, and you're you're you've got 400 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 3: to play. You've got to be the guy on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. 401 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 3: You got to be the guy. And I think when 402 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 3: I when I finally decided to kind of pack it in, 403 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: you know, not one specific thing. It was a it 404 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: was a number of things. One you know, I I 405 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I had I think I had maybe 406 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 3: seven or eight surgeries at that point, and things were. 407 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 3: It took everything I could to make the Pro Bowl 408 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: my last year, you know, so I was right there 409 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 3: on the fringe of being you know, a Pro Bowl 410 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: non Pro Bowl player, and I couldn't I could not 411 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 3: handle being good. You know, you wanted to be great. 412 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 3: If you're not going to be great, I don't want 413 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 3: to do this, regardless of what the money is. At 414 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 3: that time, I thought I had kind of, you know, 415 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: had enough money to where, you know, if I lived 416 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: reasonably and you know, did some appearances and whatever, I 417 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 3: could find my way and take care of our family. 418 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 3: And we moved to Virginia on a Friday, and I 419 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: got a job at Fox on Monday. Now, thirty years later, 420 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: the rest is history. A lot of forks in the 421 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: road in that story. 422 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: An awful lot of forks in the road in that story. 423 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier. It's our thirties, your thirtieth year, it's 424 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: my twentieth with you guys, is there one story in 425 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: the thirty years that just stands out for you? With 426 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: TV and just being there a. 427 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 3: Fox, well, you know, I think we've leaned on each 428 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: other over the years at times, you know, as I 429 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 3: think everyone knows Terry's had some medical issues over the 430 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 3: last few years. And you know, I was kind of 431 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: the guy that he decided to confide in. And you know, 432 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: you're constantly, you know, checking and checking. I'll tell you 433 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 3: one funny story. He's doing Failure to Launch and he 434 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: calls me up. I'm up here in Montana. I remember, 435 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: like it was yesterday, the movie Matthew McConaughey, and it 436 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: was a great movie. It was a fun movie. And 437 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: you know, here he is Diana and I are in 438 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 3: the movie theater and he's butt naked, and you know, 439 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: all you see is is big white ass on screen. 440 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 3: But he calls me up. He's in the back room 441 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 3: getting ready to do the nude scene. And he said, 442 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: little buddy. So they got these socks, the skin colored 443 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 3: socks that I got to put on, and you know, 444 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 3: they run it around your waist and you know it 445 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: covers you up, but you know it doesn't really cover 446 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 3: you up. And here's my problem. He said, they got 447 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: a small, they got a medium, and they got a large. 448 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: Now I'm thinking the large I can't pull off for sure. 449 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 3: Maybe I can't pull off the medium. But if I 450 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 3: go with the small, it's not gonna look good. At all. 451 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go with the medium and just take 452 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 3: the middle ground. And I said, sure, I think the 453 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 3: medium is the way to go. 454 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 2: It's a great Who would have thought that Howie Long, 455 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: who gets drafted out of Villanova will be having this 456 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: conversation with four time Super Bowl winning quarterback Terry Bradshaw 457 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: about the size of his schlun for a movie with 458 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 2: Matthew mcconnty. 459 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: I'll tell you the thing about him that people you know, 460 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 3: a lot of people don't know is he's a really 461 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 3: good friend. He's a guy that has taken the Brinch 462 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: truck all the way to the bank doing that jag clampet. 463 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 3: You know, all shucks. You know, go Gali, I'm gonna 464 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 3: go out to the cement pond and do my gazinthas. 465 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: He's one of the smartest people I know. And regardless 466 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: of whatever happens, whether it was you know, a rough 467 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 3: Saturday night or whatever it was, when the green light 468 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: goes on or the red light goes on, my man's 469 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 3: up and on and he he's stuck. And you know, 470 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 3: you could say the same thing over the last couple 471 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 3: of years, when you know he's had some challenges physically 472 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 3: and there was a lot going on there. He's going 473 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 3: through through a lot and you know, with the treatments 474 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 3: and just so happy. We did Joe Gibbs his charity 475 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: event up in d C this past offseason. You know, 476 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 3: we were up on stage for golly an hour and 477 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: a half. He showed up to the thing. Here we are, 478 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 3: it's like seven hundred people. I don't know how many people. 479 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 3: There are seven eight hundred people in this big, huge 480 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: ballroom up in DC, and I'm in a suit. He 481 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 3: shows up late. Joe Gibbs and I are taking pictures 482 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: with you know, people who paid to come in the 483 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: back before the event, take a photo and Terry walks in. 484 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 3: He forgot his suit. 485 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 5: So he's in raggedy jeans, a pair of sketchers that 486 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 5: I gave him, and you know, a button down shirt 487 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 5: with his wide open and a T shirt. 488 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 3: So we're gonna do this, you know, pseudo kind of 489 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 3: black tie. It's not a black tie, but it's you know, 490 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 3: it's it's a high end event, and we're on stage 491 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: and he does the whole thing. And the thing that 492 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: maybe the happiest was one he was himself. He was 493 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: as healthy as I've seen him and you know a 494 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: couple of years and he was sharp. Just the drive 495 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 3: home was you know, I drove home from up in 496 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: DC down to Virginia and you know, knowing that he was, 497 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 3: he turned the corner. We always joke about, you got 498 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 3: to it's the days of thunder. You got to get 499 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 3: through the smoke of turn three. Just hit the gas 500 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: and go keep smoke and trust that God willing, you're 501 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 3: gonna get through the other side and you're not gonna 502 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: hit anything. He I think he's through the smoke of 503 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: turn three. 504 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: I told you, you know again, it's my twentieth or thirty. 505 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: You were right there. I think this was my best 506 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: moment at Fox. It wasn't Spygate or anything like that. 507 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: It was last year. We're sitting there around Christmas time, 508 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: Beverly Wilsher. Remember he came over the table and he said, hey, man, 509 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 2: you just you understand. I just want to tell you 510 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: because you understand. Just having a bad day between the 511 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 2: years and I just need to tell someone and you 512 00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 2: get it. 513 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: And yeah, that jet right. 514 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 2: That just meant so much to me that we could 515 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: have all could have this kind of brotherhood together. And 516 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 2: the other thing that, you know, Terry and I do 517 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: a lot of and I'm brought obviously the whole chapter 518 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: in my book about this, and you're big part of 519 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 2: this is we have to use laughter to get out 520 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: of our gray and unfortunately for you, you're the target for 521 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: Terry and I are locked for our last I wrote 522 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: in my book that you're my muse the amount of. 523 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: Jokes that it's the same, and it's the same in 524 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 3: my family. The boys like to uh, they like to 525 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 3: joke about me. 526 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: Well, somebody tell you this. I'm not going to say 527 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: exactly one of I put two bumper stickers on Howie's car. 528 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 4: One of them will paraphrase, said, I love porn. 529 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: Howard drove around. 530 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 3: Beverly Hills for fifteen minutes with this bumper sticker on 531 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 3: the waving. I'm thinking, golly, you know that Chevy commercial 532 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: or that sketchish or so oh wait, people are seeing that, 533 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: you know, geez. And I pull into Valet Parking and 534 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 3: the guy says, because I've stayed at the same place 535 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 3: for forever. He says to me, Uh, Howie, you know 536 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: you have a sticker on the back of your car. 537 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 3: Here's the real story I had back surgery. I was 538 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 3: stuck in the hotel, you know, because I had surgery 539 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 3: on a Tuesday, and it was the week that Al 540 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 3: Davis died. I remember it like it was yesterday and 541 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 3: I had to go into work and you know, talk 542 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 3: about Al and uh, I'm stuck there with an ice 543 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 3: machine and you know, they've got me on meds. And 544 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 3: you know, Jay was kind enough to come over a 545 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 3: little did I know what I was a very good friend. 546 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: What I was. 547 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: What his endgame was was he knew I was drugged out, 548 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: and you know I was on painkillers and I was 549 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 3: going to pass out, and he was going to put 550 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: a Hitler mustache I think on my upper lip right right. 551 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 3: So so now. 552 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: Over, how we a marker saying the moment you go 553 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: to sleep, here I am drawing this little hit mustache 554 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: on you. And how he's like I said, I'm just 555 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: being a friend. 556 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 3: So Jay as a procedure for his ankle, and you know, 557 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 3: I'm seeing myself. Well, you know, Jay came over to 558 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: see me, and you know I've got to go over 559 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 3: to his place and make sure he's good. So I 560 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 3: go over to his place. I'm sitting in there for 561 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 3: about an hour and I go back out, and you know, 562 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 3: it was something about my truck had climb something, and 563 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 3: yeah it. 564 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: Was a bumper stick good. 565 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 3: But again people are beeping at me and I'm driving around. 566 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 6: This is the second bumper sticker, folks, the second bumper 567 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 6: on how he's called second one and this one was 568 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 6: more graphic first and how he pulls into the same 569 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 6: hotel and our friend, the doorman over there says, any 570 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 6: chance for you mister Glazier's Today and Tie event had 571 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 6: just gotten out at this hotel and was taking pictures 572 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 6: of how he's car with his pornographic bumper sticker on 573 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 6: the back of how he longs car. 574 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 4: He calls me up and he goes, you put stick 575 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 4: in my car? 576 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: He said, who is this sick in my car? I said, Mom, 577 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 2: He's like, I'm going to kill you now. Now conversely, 578 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: I've also seen the only time how he was ever 579 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: going to strike me, which he struck me for all 580 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: this is I'm training. I've had the honor of how 581 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: he said, here, man, you know this MMA program. I 582 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: got to train Chris for a while. Yeah, train call 583 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: for a long time and actually probably shouldn't thank. 584 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 3: You for better. He's hitting you than me. 585 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: You know shit, Well, how he's in the gym and 586 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: I'm showing him. You know, we're doing these hammer fists 587 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: where instead of slapping hands, you take a fist. And 588 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: you guys have seen UFC fighters when you get on 589 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: the ground, you know, use the back of their hand 590 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: to strike someone's face. But you can do the same 591 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: thing with lineman's forearms and cornerbacks for him. But you 592 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: gotta like practice because most of these guys have their 593 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: hands open. So I'm doing it over and over and over. 594 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: And then how he it's like he keeps butting in, 595 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: So I'm like, hey, dude, you like honey booboo's bump, 596 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 2: just leave us the fuck alone. 597 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 4: And how he's like he could finals, and how this 598 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 4: is what we're doing. What I crack, how he's for him, 599 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 4: and how he goes, why would you do that? 600 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: And he goes and he the Charlestown version of how 601 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 2: he that beast out out of the box. 602 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 4: He goes in his pocket, he pulls out his car key. 603 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 4: I wanted you to see his, folks. 604 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: How he takes his. 605 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 4: Car key, he puts it in the middle of his 606 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 4: finger like this. 607 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: And tries to punch me in the eye with his 608 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: car key because I hit him in fearm you know, 609 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: maybe an overreaction. 610 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 3: Would you say that, Yeah, yeah, it hurt. It hurt, 611 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 3: that forearm thing hurt. 612 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, I mean, if you connected, my career is over. 613 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, and I'm in jail. 614 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 4: Hey you're in jail. But now charges it was just 615 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 4: brothers fight with brothers. 616 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 617 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 4: Well, you know, listen, before I let you go, I 618 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 4: do got to tell you real talk, you know, folks. 619 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: You you know I talk about leaning into your teammates. 620 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: And I'm lucky enough to have a howie when the 621 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: sky is falling for me, which happens sometimes, and particularly 622 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: there was one time, man, I had taken You know, 623 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: I've triedled a lot of different anti anxiety and anti 624 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: depression medications, and I'm gonna keep trying as new ones 625 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 2: come out, but none of them worked for me, so 626 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 2: I have to, you know, figure out other ways, unfortunately, 627 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 2: And there was one day I took one and I 628 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: came in and man, the sky was falling, and everybody 629 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: hated me. And how He pulled me aside said and 630 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 2: just said that, hey, hey, hey, nobody's against you. This 631 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: sky's not falling. We got you and man just just 632 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: before we went on the show. So to have a 633 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 2: friend like that who can know you that well and 634 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: know what to say, this is where you got to. 635 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 2: You gotta lean into your teammates gang and when you 636 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 2: you can be honest and vulnerable, your teammates they are 637 00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: there to help you. 638 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: What's that saying, this too will pass? YEA, Yeah, you 639 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 3: don't realize. You just got to hit the gas when 640 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 3: you hit that smoke on turn three and just go 641 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 3: through it. 642 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: That was a dark ton and I've had a lot 643 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: of dark days in there because I put a lot 644 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: of pressure on myself and you know, I think we 645 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 2: all do on that show because we want to you know, 646 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: we want to every Sunday, we're all trying to win 647 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 2: the super Bowl. We're not just trying to have a show. 648 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: We're trying to win the Super Bowl Sunday, right, And. 649 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 4: That's what people also, don't you know they talk about 650 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 4: our show. 651 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: We all love each other, we all hang out together. 652 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: We're all godfathers of each other's kids and best men 653 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: at each other's weddings. 654 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 4: There's been a lot of weddings, and you know, we're 655 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 4: all there. 656 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: For it, but we constantly hang out, which is what 657 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 2: makes our show different, I think than everybody else. 658 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, listen, I have for forty three years. 659 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 3: I've been with two teams, you know, the Raiders for 660 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 3: thirteen and I have no frame of reference of what 661 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 3: other organizations are like other than you know, Kyle and 662 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: Chris playing and you know, getting a kind of glimpse 663 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 3: in New England, Philadelphia, Saint Louis and you know the 664 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 3: Bears in Kansas City and Andy Reid and you know 665 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 3: all that you know through your son's eyes, but through 666 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 3: my eyes. It's forty three years with two teams, and 667 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: I couldn't imagine being at a better place. I've had 668 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 3: the luxury of coaching high school football for eight years 669 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 3: and little league baseball for eight years. And you know, 670 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 3: Fox was very accommodating and they knew that that was 671 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 3: important to me. And you know the guys listen, My 672 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 3: boys were nine, five and four when I joined Fox. 673 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 3: So you know, everyone there is kind of an uncle, 674 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 3: and you know, everyone there has been along for the ride, 675 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 3: you know, through high school sports and college sports and 676 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 3: pro football and Pro Bowls and Super Bowls, and you know, 677 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 3: we covered, you know, Championship games and Super Bowls with 678 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 3: Chris and them, and everyone feels like part of the family. 679 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 3: And you know, our boys view everyone that I work 680 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 3: with as as family. 681 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 2: We're all loyalty guys too. That's thing. We don't just 682 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 2: hang out right, all loyalty guys. We all get each 683 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 2: other's backs, and we fight like brothers. 684 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 3: You and Michael fight like brothers. I geel we make 685 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 3: me uncomfortable. 686 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 4: We got better with that. We got better with that. 687 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 3: It's so funny. I'm sixty three years old. It's like, 688 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 3: guys grow up. 689 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 4: Were for God's sakes, and we've grown up. 690 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: We've got the two of us. 691 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 3: It's it has better. There were times I'm like, you. 692 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 2: Too, are just ridiculous. Well, I'm knocking back down home right, 693 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 2: and Michael imposes as well. Michael's like, don't let gap, 694 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 2: but smile fully. Here's a bad motherfucker. 695 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 3: Oh let him. 696 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 2: You know I'm not going to back down. 697 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 3: I know that. I know that. But again again, I 698 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 3: think you know, at the end of the day, if 699 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 3: you need someone at midnight and you got to make 700 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 3: a call, there's you know, there's a short list of 701 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 3: people that are on that list and the guys we 702 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 3: work with, or you know, Jimmy might just not answer 703 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 3: the phone or hang out. You call it up and 704 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 3: he'd say, who. 705 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 2: Hey, my last question for you. And I asked all 706 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 2: my guesses, give me your one moment in life. It's 707 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: your unbreakable moment, the one thing that should have broken 708 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 2: you but didn't, and as a result, you came through 709 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 2: the other side of that tunnel stronger forever. 710 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 3: I would say. And you know, you don't realize it 711 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 3: at the time, because you really don't know any better. 712 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 3: Growing up the way I grew up, my dad was homeless, 713 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 3: living on Main Street in a car in our neighborhood. 714 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 3: And when you walk down the road and you see that, 715 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not quite sure how I got by 716 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 3: that and moved on from it, and and you know, 717 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 3: didn't try not to dwell on it. And you know, 718 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 3: I think when you grow up like that, you have 719 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 3: a tendency of being able to shut that, put that 720 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 3: in the box, shut it, shut the door, and don't 721 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 3: think about it. But you know, I see the relationship 722 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 3: you know, Michael had with his dad, and you know 723 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 3: people have with their dad. And fortunately, I think as 724 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 3: the years went by after our sons were born, and 725 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 3: later on I reconnected with him and he would come 726 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 3: to Montana and spend a month, and I still see 727 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 3: him sitting out at the fire pit at one point 728 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 3: thirty in the morning, smoking a cigarette and having whatever 729 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 3: he was drinking, and you know, him reconnecting with the 730 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 3: boys was kind of a full circle for me. But 731 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 3: it wasn't a typical kind of childhood. And that seeing 732 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 3: that as a ten year old, it's not the easiest 733 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 3: thing in the world. 734 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 2: To do is come out, hug. Just walk down the street. 735 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: You see him. 736 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in the car sleeping. Wow. 737 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 2: Well, that's a lot to get through. 738 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 3: You have to understand, he's a guy who grew up 739 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 3: in an orphanage from birth eighteen years old, and an 740 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 3: abusive orphanage, you know, one of those kind that make 741 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 3: movies about. So his frame of reference for family, there 742 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 3: is no frame of reference. So you know, for me 743 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 3: him too, right, and and and you know that's the 744 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 3: big thing, Jay is I needed to move on from 745 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 3: all that and say, with age comes perspective, and I 746 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 3: think you find the ability, you find a way in 747 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 3: your heart and in your head to say I get it. 748 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 3: I kind of understand why you were the way you were. 749 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 3: He had a good heart. You would have loved him. 750 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 3: He was you know, six seven, two fifty five. You know, 751 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 3: God knows what he would have been if he you know, 752 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 3: he had a normal life or had a family. But 753 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 3: you know, to be in a to be in an 754 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 3: orphanage for eighteen years, wow, think about that from birth 755 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 3: to eighteen wow. Yeah, he was screwed from the get 756 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 3: gos So for me, that was probably the worst moment. 757 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 2: I mean, it taught you a different level of forgiveness, 758 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 2: and I certainly taught you how not that toward your kids. 759 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 2: You know, like, hey, I'm going to make sure I'm 760 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 2: so there for my kids. 761 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I tend to be Yeah. I mean I 762 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 3: wanted to be better for a lot of reasons. Just 763 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 3: wanted to be better. And you know, I've, like I said, 764 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 3: nobody's perfect, but I've always been in the batter's box. 765 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 3: I've always been swinging and I show up. That's who 766 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 3: I am, and that's who I'm going to continue to 767 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 3: be until I can't do it anymore. 768 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 2: Brother, Thank you for not hitting me in the eye 769 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 2: with the key that day. Thank me being there for me. 770 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 2: Try thank you for being there for me, for Sammy, 771 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 2: and always being there for me. Man, when the sky's 772 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 2: standing above me, and make sure it doesn't crash that 773 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 2: on me. I love you, Man, I appreciate you. 774 00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 3: Love your partner, how long. 775 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 2: The Ambrakable Podcast