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Speaker 1: We invite your participation at eight eight eight, eight, five,
Speaker 1: five two two nine seven at a little Thursday Night
Speaker 1: football last week. And what I got out of that
Speaker 1: game last night is the fact that the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: never fall into the seller in the NFC East, as
Speaker 1: bad as it gets this season. The Giants will own
Speaker 1: the seller in the NFC East the rest of the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: was Eli that bad or because I didn't watch all
Speaker 1: of it? Or was it protection too because people are
Speaker 1: calling for his job this morning and saying it's over,
Speaker 1: his career's over. I'll tell you what, you know. I
Speaker 1: feel like though, that the Giants made a decision about
Speaker 1: their quarterback that they were going to try and buy
Speaker 1: some more time. They basically took the same approach. And
Speaker 1: this is interesting because of Dave Gettlman as a general manager,
Speaker 1: and Dave Gettlman had always in Tom often believed us
Speaker 1: too when he was with New York that they were
Speaker 1: trying to model what the Cowboys were going to do.
Speaker 1: And you look at the Cowboys and you know that
Speaker 1: the you know, trying to establish a running game, trying
Speaker 1: to build an offensive line, I mean, and all those things.
Speaker 1: And now Dave Getleman has come in, and you know,
Speaker 1: Dave thought that that you know that Saquon Barkley was
Speaker 1: the best player in the draft, obviously he took him
Speaker 1: and you know, passed on the quarterback. Now, let's see
Speaker 1: if the Giants in factor as poor as we all
Speaker 1: think they're going to be down the stretch here or
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. Then they'll get their opportunity
Speaker 1: to draft that quarterback and maybe a quarterback that's better
Speaker 1: than the ones that were available in this draft. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see how if that strategy plays out
Speaker 1: the right way, if in fact having Barkley and then
Speaker 1: a quarterback, or if they should have gone with the
Speaker 1: quarterback and then maybe a defensive player or something like that.
Speaker 1: We'll see how that plays out for him. At one
Speaker 1: in five, they are in the Justin Herbert sweepstakes. They are,
Speaker 1: and gil Brandt told us on Wednesday night, Mickey, how
Speaker 1: are you They just did it? Bass Acwarts That's that's right.
Speaker 1: But but Gill told us on Wednesday night that Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: the quarterback at Oregon, is the best young quarterback he's
Speaker 1: ever seen. Something like that. It was, Yeah, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: had a couple of quarterbacks set a couple of quarterbacks
Speaker 1: come out of Oregon. One pretty good, one not so good.
Speaker 1: Joey Harrington was real bad, Jerry still out on Mario
Speaker 1: and Mariota. Yeah, so you need to see what that situation.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot of if you're you know,
Speaker 1: I need to get into at some point in time
Speaker 1: and see who all the quarterbacks are. But I got
Speaker 1: the pression there's probably four or five guys. I know,
Speaker 1: Mickey's got a guy that's pretty good that we all
Speaker 1: need to take a look at. Yeah, we'll find out
Speaker 1: tomorrow how good he is. Alma fair well, you know
Speaker 1: that's if you look at Deshaun Watson. One of the
Speaker 1: reasons why people thought very highly of Deshaun Watson was
Speaker 1: the fact that he played well against Alabama in two
Speaker 1: national channel more help, Yeah, he had a little bit
Speaker 1: more help. But but sometimes, you know, I mean, sometimes
Speaker 1: you could find out a lot about these young well
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, if they in fact are able to attack
Speaker 1: defenses and have some success, it might not be team's success.
Speaker 1: But you know, the Shaun Watson, I mean, he took
Speaker 1: he should have two national championships if you look at
Speaker 1: really what you know with Clemson, and that was his
Speaker 1: hard time to Alabama. I've ever seen Alabama with a
Speaker 1: Nick Saban led defense with a quarterback that plays that way.
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe he could go out there and
Speaker 1: do something. You never know, it's gonna be tough. The
Speaker 1: quarterback for Alabama. He's really good. Yet, that's right, he's
Speaker 1: really good. That with the exception of Trevor Knight Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson against an Alabama defense. Trevor Knight was the only
Speaker 1: one that there you go, that was a joke that
Speaker 1: was tugging. But Johnny Manziel, I think we were all
Speaker 1: in agreement right that if you're a Cowboy fan, you're
Speaker 1: probably pulling for the Giants last night. That didn't work
Speaker 1: out so well for you. I was yelling for him
Speaker 1: a little bit. Maybe phillis right all hard enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe Philly's right of the ship a little but um yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the you know, and the Cowboys already have a
Speaker 1: win over them. This this division could be for the
Speaker 1: taking if you could put something together. But you need
Speaker 1: to keep pace with the Eagle, the Eagles or the
Speaker 1: team to beat. Yeah, and you got need to keep
Speaker 1: pace and get the player twice the Sunday at three
Speaker 1: twenty five against Jacksonville. And can the Cowboys keep pace
Speaker 1: with the Eagles now at three and three or will
Speaker 1: they fall to two and four after against a tough
Speaker 1: Jacksonville defense. Yeah, I think that. I think that this
Speaker 1: game will clearly come down to I think Dallas is
Speaker 1: going to have to throw the football. I really do.
Speaker 1: I don't think Jacksonville is gonna let them run the football.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, can your guys on the outside
Speaker 1: win enough, and can when they do win, can you
Speaker 1: find ways to get them the football? Can your protection
Speaker 1: hold up? Can the quarterback make the right read? You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ifs going on here, a lot
Speaker 1: of things that have been negative about the Cowboys offensively
Speaker 1: that they're going to have to have positive. It might
Speaker 1: be me just banging my head against the wall over
Speaker 1: here trying to say, Okay, they can do this, they
Speaker 1: can do this, they can do this. Well, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to prove that they can do this. You know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give this guy protection. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to hit these receivers quickly, and you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to make some plays. You know, Jacksonville is not going
Speaker 1: to let you run this football. I always like to compare,
Speaker 1: compare what does these games remind you of? It reminds
Speaker 1: you very much when you play the Philadelphia Eagles. You know,
Speaker 1: when the Eagles with their front seven, aggressive linebackers, they've
Speaker 1: got guys that can run in the front seven, They've
Speaker 1: got big inside players, they've got guys in the outside
Speaker 1: that can can stretch the run. You know, you've got
Speaker 1: to take advantage of their their speed, their quickness, their pursuit,
Speaker 1: all those things. You've got to call almost a perfect
Speaker 1: game to play against these guys. Now you'll say, brass,
Speaker 1: what about Kansas City and what about Tennessee and all
Speaker 1: that they You know, if you go back in the
Speaker 1: history of Jacksonville playing Tennessee, Tennessee has always had Jacksonville's number.
Speaker 1: It's just the way it is. But I would say
Speaker 1: this about Kansas City. Kansas City attacked them a different way.
Speaker 1: Kansas City also benefited from turnovers. That's something that this
Speaker 1: defense has not been able to create. Eight And if
Speaker 1: they could create those, then you'd feel a lot better
Speaker 1: because Blake Portles will turn the ball over to you.
Speaker 1: So would you take thirty rushes for one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty six yards, Yeah, it would because that's what Kansas
Speaker 1: City did. Yeah, but Kansas City again, I got ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kansas City got ahead twenty to nothing in that game,
Speaker 1: and then it was twenty to nothing at half time.
Speaker 1: I just think that I just think that there's they've
Speaker 1: played three teams that have been able to run the football.
Speaker 1: They played the Jets the Chiefs in Tennessee. Here's another
Speaker 1: thing that happened in that game in the first half.
Speaker 1: The Jaguars total approach to that game against Kansas City
Speaker 1: goes against the nature of Tom Coughlin. Once that team
Speaker 1: the football right right and two passes the game, and
Speaker 1: they respected Kansas City's ability to score so much, even
Speaker 1: though they have the number one pass defense in the
Speaker 1: league themselves, that they got down on the goal line
Speaker 1: and we're going forward on fourth down in the first half, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know down. I think they were down ten nothing
Speaker 1: or it was a situation if they just go ahead
Speaker 1: and kick the field goal. It may have been thirteen nine,
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the score was, to just get
Speaker 1: on the board, get stay within striking distance. But that
Speaker 1: game got away from them in the second quarter because
Speaker 1: they their approach to that game was their approach being
Speaker 1: that we can't score enough points. Yeah, we have to
Speaker 1: score touchdowns rather than field goals. And yeah, you do
Speaker 1: have to score touchdowns against Kansas City. But the most
Speaker 1: important thing in that first half of that game, they
Speaker 1: needed to stay within striking distance and they didn't. And
Speaker 1: then you can throw everything and they can wind up
Speaker 1: throwing sixty one passes. The other thing about Jacksonville last
Speaker 1: year they were a run first team. Now they haven't
Speaker 1: had four net okay, and they only have one healthy
Speaker 1: running back that had that has been that was selling
Speaker 1: the team last week. Yeah, because they signed Jamal Charles
Speaker 1: this week and signed guy off a practice squad. Right. Okay,
Speaker 1: So last year they had equal number runs to passes.
Speaker 1: I think it was five hundred twenty seven rushes and
Speaker 1: five hundred twenty seven passes all season. Not a balance,
Speaker 1: and this year they've been sixty five to thirty five
Speaker 1: percent right in a pass run Bortles is averaging forty
Speaker 1: two pass at ten forty two again including sixty one.
Speaker 1: They are going to come out running the football against
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I think they're gonna They're gonna try. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the best way to protect Bortles, to make the
Speaker 1: mistakes that would fade right into the Cowboys defensive hands.
Speaker 1: Though that's true because they've done a good job against
Speaker 1: the run. Yeah, So you're telling me they were too
Speaker 1: aggressive with their play calling and decisions, they were too desperate.
Speaker 1: I think, oh, yeah, they got mesmerized by they didn't
Speaker 1: feel like that they could keep up with, right Kansas City.
Speaker 1: That's what Kansas City will do to you because they
Speaker 1: score at such a fast pace that it's hard to
Speaker 1: play them because you feel like, okay, if we don't
Speaker 1: score touchdowns here, that we're gonna be behind it. And
Speaker 1: again it led to it led to a loss. Anyway,
Speaker 1: It's two teams. If you look at them statistically, they're
Speaker 1: kind of a mirror of each other. Honestly. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are only putting up twenty point four points
Speaker 1: a game. They're struggling to manufact at your points. They
Speaker 1: put up more yards, way more yards in the Cowboys
Speaker 1: per game, almost one hundred per game. But like to
Speaker 1: Mickey's question, can they run the football? Can they have
Speaker 1: any balance? With no running backs that they usually hang
Speaker 1: their hat on and their minus seven in the turnover marginis,
Speaker 1: Brian said, that's the key right there. Cowboys get two
Speaker 1: takeaways last week. They're probably gonna need to do something
Speaker 1: like that in this game to help out Dak in
Speaker 1: the offense. But I see two teams that are flawed offensively,
Speaker 1: so we'll see. I think the biggest question, though, like
Speaker 1: Brian said, you're facing the most talented defense in the league.
Speaker 1: With an offense that has struggled mightily, mostly on the road,
Speaker 1: they've been more efficient at home for whatever reason. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's crowd noise or I mean, they've
Speaker 1: handled crowd noise in the past. I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: you can just point to that why they've struggled on
Speaker 1: the road, but they've been more efficient at home. Can
Speaker 1: you can you keep that up in this Can you
Speaker 1: manufacture some offense and can the receivers win on the outside?
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns gave us the key to the game the
Speaker 1: other day. He said, Look, they're gonna press us and
Speaker 1: we have to win on the outside. When you place
Speaker 1: play a defense, it's gonna man up on you. You
Speaker 1: gotta win your matchups. It's on them, and they're saying
Speaker 1: receivers are saying, look, it's not on us, it's not
Speaker 1: all on us. You can show it this week against
Speaker 1: two Pro Bowl corners. Absolutely. It might have to do
Speaker 1: with who you played on the road. Yeah, you play
Speaker 1: some good defenses on the road Carolina, Seattle, Yeah, Houston
Speaker 1: as opposed to the Giants and Detroit at all right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian talked about it with Detroit. They could you know,
Speaker 1: they'd really struggled against the run. Yeah. Yeah, although Detroit
Speaker 1: came in here favored after a win over New England
Speaker 1: the week before, right, Yeah, so you know we're based
Speaker 1: on what the Jaguars did because they beat New England.
Speaker 1: I just don't think Jacksonville can do enough offensively to
Speaker 1: blow you out. The only way they can blow blow
Speaker 1: you out is if you turn the ball short fields.
Speaker 1: It'll be a one play game, just like Houston, just
Speaker 1: like Detroit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. This team can't get away
Speaker 1: from anybody. I mean, the Cowboys can't. That's that they
Speaker 1: are what they are. And you know, they don't have
Speaker 1: any explosive players on the outside. That's a problem. And
Speaker 1: so if you know, if that's if the thing I
Speaker 1: worry about is Dallas having to drive the ball, that's
Speaker 1: what I worry about d with the run. And yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can't, if you if you struggle to run
Speaker 1: the football in this game and it turns into you
Speaker 1: have to throw, you can't sustain drive, you know, And
Speaker 1: and you look at Houston in overtime against Houston, how
Speaker 1: many people really thought that the Cowboys could drive the
Speaker 1: length of the field and score a touchdown? And overtime
Speaker 1: against Houston. Everybody that said you should have gone for it,
Speaker 1: I mean I yeah, all you needed was a field
Speaker 1: goal at that point I would have us still have
Speaker 1: to have to play defensive. Yeah, yeah, because you had
Speaker 1: the ball first. That's why I asked. I asked the
Speaker 1: question is to say I'm not I don't get into
Speaker 1: the fourth or one thing. But how much confidence do
Speaker 1: does anyone have that this? That's why I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: punt it in the first place. That can can this
Speaker 1: team drive the length of the field? Now? They had
Speaker 1: done in the games they've won. They have had long,
Speaker 1: sustained fourth quarter drives and so they've been able to
Speaker 1: take control of the game. But they played from ahead
Speaker 1: in those games too, and that's such a key, and
Speaker 1: it was a key in twenty sixteen is getting ahead,
Speaker 1: staying ahead, and that will be a key against Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: My question for Brian because typically with this framework of
Speaker 1: the offense the last three years, if they don't run
Speaker 1: the ball, they lose. So do you when you look
Speaker 1: at the matchups, do you feel like, hat on hat
Speaker 1: they can't block these guys or is it some something
Speaker 1: schematically like Jacksonville is just gonna load up and say,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna give you options in the passing game,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna shut down the run. Yeah, we've we've
Speaker 1: seen those some issues with getting to the linebackers, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and not just on third and one. You know,
Speaker 1: we've seen some issues there. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: think this is the best group of linebackers that they're
Speaker 1: going to play that'll put this way that they played
Speaker 1: so far. Okay, So I mean and I and these
Speaker 1: guys never come off the field Smith, you know, and
Speaker 1: and Jacky. They're not going to come off the field,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna try and make every single tack on
Speaker 1: If you don't get hat on hat them. You know,
Speaker 1: i'mould say there's any times you block them, but you
Speaker 1: got to take advantage of that. And I just I
Speaker 1: worry about that. I worry about this front seven and
Speaker 1: their ability to control the front. Like I say, I
Speaker 1: kind of think about like the Philadelphia game, what happens
Speaker 1: when you try and run and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, Philadelphia turns it into a second and nine
Speaker 1: second and ten day all day. Yeah, you know, they
Speaker 1: can't they just can't win that. They can't win that way,
Speaker 1: and if they have to throw the ball, I worry
Speaker 1: about them winning on the outside. And you know, in
Speaker 1: completing passes, we haven't seen them have any consistency doing
Speaker 1: that as well. So the key will be how well
Speaker 1: they play defensively to not let Jacksonville get away from them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and t them out of what they want to do,
Speaker 1: which is run the ball. And if you're not doing
Speaker 1: well consistently, right, you never know when he'll break a
Speaker 1: big one. Yeah. So defensively, yeah, defensively, yeah, Well they
Speaker 1: get if they're gonna win, it's gotta be twenty to seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's something like that. To turn the sky over somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, They've got to get some you know. So
Speaker 1: what happened other day, They get a nice fumble, you know,
Speaker 1: on the other side of the Houston fifty, and they
Speaker 1: turned it into a touchdown. You know, we haven't seen
Speaker 1: nearly enough of those to try and get this offense
Speaker 1: going again. You know, Jacksonville, I think they want to
Speaker 1: get back to a run first mentality, sure, but with
Speaker 1: their situation at running back, offensive lines a little bit
Speaker 1: at struggle and their offensive said that last week about
Speaker 1: Houston can they do that yet is is a question too,
Speaker 1: because the only healthy running back they have who has
Speaker 1: been there any length of time t J Yelden. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Jamal Charles will be there for three practices and
Speaker 1: apparently he's going to be active on Sunday, So what
Speaker 1: can you expect out of him? And then they got
Speaker 1: a practice squad guy they sign yea. So even though
Speaker 1: they may want to get back to what they want
Speaker 1: to do, I don't know if they can do it yet.
Speaker 1: And and they do have to worry about Dallas's pass rush, right,
Speaker 1: they have to worry about right, so so that they
Speaker 1: may not have success running the football might turn into them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they that's the way they figure out how to
Speaker 1: how to beat Dallas is run run. If they got
Speaker 1: some game breakers outside, they got some speed at wide
Speaker 1: receiver where they can hit a deep one on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Westbrook and Chark and those guys absolutely, Yeah, go Tigers.
Speaker 1: I've got a trivia question to throw out and see
Speaker 1: if any of the masses out there or the masses
Speaker 1: here in studios can't answers yes, uh, what member of
Speaker 1: the Jaguars was drafted by Dallas? Got that question to
Speaker 1: throw out for you to ponder, and we're gonna take
Speaker 1: your phone calls here, your thoughts on the game. Where's
Speaker 1: that phone number there? Mickey? Thank you very much. Brian
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Speaker 1: threw out there, what member of the Jaguars was drafted
Speaker 1: by Dallas? Let's a coach? Okay it is not, and
Speaker 1: I'm not talking Bo Scarborough. Who was? Who was signed
Speaker 1: this week to their practice squad, who obviously was a
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft pick. So I guess I must make it
Speaker 1: a member of the fifty three. How do you have
Speaker 1: Tom mss Linsky? Is he on their staff? He's the
Speaker 1: strength strength coach? That's right? What round was Tom? Miss
Speaker 1: l must say? Fifth fourth at a Tennessee Right, We're
Speaker 1: not going back to nineteen sixties talk, are we? No,
Speaker 1: we're not. We're in the nineties. It's a member of
Speaker 1: the fifty three, drafted by Dallas. And let's go to
Speaker 1: Eric in North Carolina. Eric, how are you doing? And
Speaker 1: are you and seriously how are you doing? Because did
Speaker 1: the hurricane make its way to North Carolina? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're actually good. I mean eastern North Carolina close to Greenville,
Speaker 1: East utampers Is and we've got some residual wind and length.
Speaker 1: That was about it. Um, So we're good. We're good.
Speaker 1: We've got two bullets so far, and we're blessed to
Speaker 1: say that want to get hit. So that's good news.
Speaker 1: Oh man, But thank you guys to take them a
Speaker 1: call fans on all of you guys or trust time
Speaker 1: I ever got through and I just want to make
Speaker 1: a quick comment and have a quick question for Brian's
Speaker 1: if I could sure, Um, First of all, I would
Speaker 1: just want to I think you hit it right on
Speaker 1: the head yesterday when I was Brian when you said
Speaker 1: that the quarterback with the Jacksonville Jaguars will hand you
Speaker 1: to football. At times you can get stopping, you can
Speaker 1: get messy, and there will there could be some opportunities
Speaker 1: for our defense. I think us winning the game is
Speaker 1: contingent on that defense capitalizing on those opportunities to create
Speaker 1: short field for this offense, because if they're lining up,
Speaker 1: you know, try to get into that territory all games
Speaker 1: for the eighty yards series, it's not gonna be good
Speaker 1: for us, I don't think, especially if we can't run
Speaker 1: that football and get three or four yards a chip
Speaker 1: on first down. Now, that leads to my question, Brian,
Speaker 1: if we are are unable to under ball officially your
Speaker 1: first down second now, good, good yards, what can we
Speaker 1: do schinematically to open things up to perhaps get us
Speaker 1: more y'alls on early down if they're stopping the run.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to hang up, you take you guys
Speaker 1: on this takes chime in on that. Thank you again, Um,
Speaker 1: and I love y'all. Do what you're doing. Thanks, thank
Speaker 1: you appreciate that. What do you guys think, you know what,
Speaker 1: watching the game, and this might have happened because of
Speaker 1: who was playing the position, because Kelsey wore them out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they had trouble with the tight end. There's no question.
Speaker 1: That's exactly the direction I was going to go. And
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I know Jeff Swain's not Kelsey,
Speaker 1: but Day didn't cover the tight end. They did not,
Speaker 1: They did not at all. And that's a great idea, Mickey,
Speaker 1: because to me, I was thinking, Okay, if even if
Speaker 1: you even if you go play action, even if you know,
Speaker 1: you can kind of get these these defenses to start
Speaker 1: moving a little bit, you know, get somebody going in
Speaker 1: the tight end. I mean, the one thing that Swain
Speaker 1: has shown is that if he gets open, he can
Speaker 1: he can catch the football and get up the field.
Speaker 1: You know, he can create some problems. And Mickey's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I was just I'm happy he said that because that's
Speaker 1: the direction I would go in. If if they're not
Speaker 1: going to win on the outside consistently, you know, or
Speaker 1: they can't or they're winning and they can't get it
Speaker 1: to them. The one thing you can simply do is
Speaker 1: throw a six yard pass to Jeff swing and let
Speaker 1: him try and run for another two three or run
Speaker 1: for forty two more and they've got him in space.
Speaker 1: The last they have they have And you're talking about
Speaker 1: a very aggressive defense, as we've we've said it a bunch.
Speaker 1: So anything to do to take advantage of them going
Speaker 1: one way, throwing that ball back the other I think
Speaker 1: you have to do. And that's that's exactly the route
Speaker 1: I would go. I would even maybe consider throwing the
Speaker 1: ball to the backs, you know, I mean if even
Speaker 1: if you go, if you find a way to get
Speaker 1: them into the you know, into some space, you know,
Speaker 1: the screens and things like that, and by all means,
Speaker 1: try and do some things. If they're going to rush
Speaker 1: hard up the field and you've got linebackers that are
Speaker 1: going to run again, take advantage of that. Send them
Speaker 1: one way and then and have it throw a screen.
Speaker 1: There's delayed screens that they run to the tight ends
Speaker 1: though the backs in the flat things like that. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, you're gonna be fighting for yards in
Speaker 1: this game. It's gonna be tough. But you know, if
Speaker 1: every yard's a good yard, you know, every carry is
Speaker 1: a good carry. You just gotta keep keep hammering at it.
Speaker 1: You know, the Cowboys are looking for givens in the
Speaker 1: past game, and Jason Witten for years was it was
Speaker 1: a gift given in the past game. And even you
Speaker 1: can look back at twenty sixteen, he had sixty nine catches. Okay,
Speaker 1: there was not yardage made after the catch whatever all catches,
Speaker 1: but they were catches. Even last year he had sixty three.
Speaker 1: And for a young quarterback especially to have I mean,
Speaker 1: we all know what he meant to Romo, but he
Speaker 1: also meant a lot to this quarterback. They haven't found
Speaker 1: those catches yet, and you you would hope maybe that
Speaker 1: Jeff Swam, what's happened the last couple of weeks for him,
Speaker 1: that that's given him confidence. Um, you know, I just
Speaker 1: worry about them beating him up. Right. He's playing a
Speaker 1: lot of blocker, right, He's a blocker well, and maybe
Speaker 1: this is the emergence of Blake Jarwin, because don't you
Speaker 1: think they're gonna play a lot of two tight end
Speaker 1: to take care of those defensive ends that Jarwin will
Speaker 1: you know, get his Jarwin? And you said, Rico, I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: we laugh, We snicker. But you know, we saw if
Speaker 1: if they can get Rico going as a blocker a
Speaker 1: little bit, as far as you know, show that he
Speaker 1: can you know, I mean when you put him in there,
Speaker 1: you're thinking they're gonna throw him the ball. I'm smiling.
Speaker 1: I'm smiling because as soon as you mentioned Rico, Rob
Speaker 1: gets a smart on it. I just because he just
Speaker 1: I'm not like you like the story. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: his story. I want to see the internet break. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to see if. I just you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting there thinking, I'm thinking about who is it? Is? It? Is? It?
Speaker 1: Is it? You know? Is it Butler? For two weeks now,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, Bryce, Butler's gonna be a part of
Speaker 1: his game planning. He hadn't been right. So if they're
Speaker 1: if they're not going to use him, and they're not
Speaker 1: gonna use Gallop and they're not gonna get okay, who
Speaker 1: else I got. I can't sit there and go down
Speaker 1: to its bill parcels and those guys just say I
Speaker 1: can't go down to home depot and just go to
Speaker 1: the wide receiver section in Aisle seven and pull me
Speaker 1: out one and bring him back. That was Texico by
Speaker 1: the way was it Texico? Whatever? You know, but you
Speaker 1: get the idea. I can't. You can't go down the
Speaker 1: street and just grab what I mean. You got to
Speaker 1: play with what you have right now, right or wrong.
Speaker 1: You've got to figure out what you know. Okay, how
Speaker 1: do you get Sway more involved? How do you get
Speaker 1: Rico more about? How do you get all these guys
Speaker 1: more involved? As far as Jarwin goes, Darryl Johnston said
Speaker 1: it on Our Cowboys Insighter, so far the stage has
Speaker 1: been too It seems to him that the stage has
Speaker 1: been too big. But you know, he could have won
Speaker 1: the game last week if they had blocked you know,
Speaker 1: blocked that linebacker. You know why, I'm sorry, why? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And you know, and that's the other thing about this offense.
Speaker 1: If you go back and look at there was a
Speaker 1: couple of plays late that one and then the one
Speaker 1: in overtime after the Xavier Woods picked they had Beasley deep.
Speaker 1: You know, there's been things that might have changed the
Speaker 1: narrative had they just executed better or communicated better. And
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's a story for all teams that struggle.
Speaker 1: You know, if we would have done this, we would
Speaker 1: have done that. But there's plays to be made. Jarwin's
Speaker 1: only got one catch in this season so far. But
Speaker 1: you know, Brian mentioned the backs and swam Zeke is
Speaker 1: the leading receiver on this team twenty two catches, and
Speaker 1: Swims third with fourteen catches, and some of that's just
Speaker 1: been bailout. Hey, I gotta get rid of this. I'm dak,
Speaker 1: but yeah, maybe that's the You gotta find something cooking
Speaker 1: if you can't get anything going on the outside. I'm
Speaker 1: with you there, Okay, you want the answer to this
Speaker 1: trivia question. Yes see, I'm Jaguar player drafted by Dallas
Speaker 1: or some catch here. But it's Dallas Cowboys, It's Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 1: There you go and brought us. You got it, you
Speaker 1: got it, and Rob you should have it. He's an aggie.
Speaker 1: I have no idea who I got it. He's a
Speaker 1: basketball Josh Lamb Josh Lambo, the kicker kicker first round.
Speaker 1: He was a first round draft pick of FC Dallas,
Speaker 1: the major league soccer team here in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Gonna say, okay, might Brian smelled it out at the beginning,
Speaker 1: He's like, is this a trick question? Yeah? Questions. Here's
Speaker 1: the draft Czar over there, he's looking at his list going,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have nobody, nobody on this list that
Speaker 1: I and I was, I was going through all that
Speaker 1: I did. I went down through the specialist with you know,
Speaker 1: Logan Cook and he'd been picked in the seventh round
Speaker 1: this year, and I'm Carson tinkerd the long snapper. I'm like,
Speaker 1: by the way he got placed on IR so they've
Speaker 1: got a different um, got different snapper. Snapper downson too,
Speaker 1: who's an age there's the three points right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bad snap Josh, but Josh Lamba And this is Dallas FC,
Speaker 1: Dallas two thousand and eight first round draft pick. I
Speaker 1: think he was a goalkeeper as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: And I mean it's a pretty interesting story. He was
Speaker 1: playing professional soccer for years then finally fall of two
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve. So four years later, in rolls at
Speaker 1: Texas A and M joins the football team as a
Speaker 1: place kicker, became the starting kicker at A and M
Speaker 1: in the two thousand and thirteen season, and then he
Speaker 1: winds up after he was with the Chargers for a
Speaker 1: little bit, signs with the Jags last year. He's made
Speaker 1: nineteen straight field goals so he's been very consistent. Chargers
Speaker 1: had Camillus. He's due. Yeah, there you go. You said
Speaker 1: that about Maher last week. Didn't happen. I did. I
Speaker 1: was very concerned. So there's my trivia question. Yeah, very good.
Speaker 1: And I have to credit Rick Goslin for putting me
Speaker 1: on the scent of that, because when we were taping
Speaker 1: Cowboys Insider, he mentioned FC Dallas and whoa wait a second, Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm not a soccer guy, and so I would not
Speaker 1: know that otherwise or an aggie guy. No, he kept there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seems like news things like someone who was an aggie
Speaker 1: wouldn't know the history of all. Kent didn't get it either,
Speaker 1: he tricked us. I figured I figured it was some
Speaker 1: secure when you ask those questions, right right, thinking fifty three,
Speaker 1: I was thinking of some obscure offensive lineman. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, but I had research Josh Walker
Speaker 1: and I saw all the places he was on a
Speaker 1: practice squad, so it's like, no, it's not a him.
Speaker 1: And Josh Walker plays a key role in this scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're talking about this Jacksonville offense and that offensive line
Speaker 1: that is beat up right now, So if they do
Speaker 1: throw sixty one time. Yeah, Cowboys are going to be
Speaker 1: in good that will play right into the Cowboys quarterbacks
Speaker 1: is not quite as mobile as Deshaun Watson. Right, speaking
Speaker 1: of Cowboys secondary, did you do the We haven't done
Speaker 1: the injury report? Have we yesterday? We need that. We
Speaker 1: need that, Mickey, do you have your injury report? I do.
Speaker 1: We need to talk about one of those guys. It's
Speaker 1: and by the way, David Irving a full practice all right,
Speaker 1: Well you're looking for that. Oh I know how much
Speaker 1: will David Irving if he makes it to practice today
Speaker 1: and makes it to the game. I did see him breakfast,
Speaker 1: by the way, you did. I did see him breakfast,
Speaker 1: all right, So that's how much how many people he was? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can live with me if he'd get a couple
Speaker 1: of sacks. He Okay, here's a guy that if he
Speaker 1: makes it to the game on Sunday, we'll have three
Speaker 1: practices under his one last week and two this week. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll get a walkthrough okay tomorrow, Yeah, okay, Yeah, much
Speaker 1: like Jamal Charles who will have three practices under his
Speaker 1: belt with Jacksonville, right, okay, right, But they're not going
Speaker 1: to hand him the ball. Supposedly he's going to be active.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he's gonna make big plays. He said,
Speaker 1: that's right, all right, So how much can we really
Speaker 1: expect from guys who practice three times in the least?
Speaker 1: I'd tell you what. I am so glad you went
Speaker 1: this direction, because to me, I would be worried about
Speaker 1: a guy that has only had the three Now if
Speaker 1: he'd practiced this Wednesday, say he got all the practices
Speaker 1: in this week. You know, I felt a little bit
Speaker 1: better about the situation. But I'm looking at a defensive
Speaker 1: tackle group. Okay, how is that rotation going to play? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, how is that gonna Where does Dave? Who
Speaker 1: does David Irbin? Whose spot does he take when you
Speaker 1: put him in there? Because to me, and Mickey's gonna
Speaker 1: give you the injury report here, I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: have Malite Collins back you are? You know? I think? Okay,
Speaker 1: now what does that do with? You know, you've got
Speaker 1: some other guys that have been playing some of the
Speaker 1: backup roles that you know, Woods and Collins and yeah,
Speaker 1: Ross Ross been Ross played pretty well the other day
Speaker 1: before we did Okay, now, okay, do you if Ross
Speaker 1: is playing pretty well for you, and it's gonna sound crazy.
Speaker 1: Do you do you have to do? You give David
Speaker 1: Irbing one more week to try and get a little
Speaker 1: bit more and I know we're running out of games.
Speaker 1: Well okay, here's there's two sides to it, because I think,
Speaker 1: but I think we're acting like this guy walks on water. Well,
Speaker 1: no you're not. And you're not going to activate a
Speaker 1: guy I don't think if you're gonna play him three snaps,
Speaker 1: I mean he needs to be part of that rotation.
Speaker 1: Get at least ten or a dozen or something like that.
Speaker 1: But I asked Rod Marinelli about this yesterday because we
Speaker 1: talked about the defensive tacker rotation being undermanned. He said,
Speaker 1: that's an issue for us. Like Tyrone playing sixty snaps
Speaker 1: or whatever was last week, Wood's playing fifty because of
Speaker 1: the style that they he wants those guys up the field,
Speaker 1: up the right up there. That's as trying to throw
Speaker 1: the football. It's the style that they play with that
Speaker 1: you've got to have that rotation. So I think if
Speaker 1: he can give you anything, he's active this week. And
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Malik is active, but you maybe he's not
Speaker 1: ready for forty five snaps or what all right? And
Speaker 1: then looking ahead to next week. Reportedly he's got court
Speaker 1: cases next week starting on Wednesday, which one days practice
Speaker 1: again next week. Let's put it this way. He had
Speaker 1: one practice last week and he was playing all right
Speaker 1: until things came up on Friday. So one practice and
Speaker 1: now he's doubled that. Yeah, and to this week. My
Speaker 1: question is what can we really expect out of someone
Speaker 1: who hadn't third and six or more? He's on the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he comes in on nickel. If he's going to
Speaker 1: be active, they've got to have a plan for him
Speaker 1: to put it. When he had the impactful game against
Speaker 1: the Packers a few years ago with on nineteen snaps,
Speaker 1: who was the NFC Defensive Player of the week, he
Speaker 1: had been practicing with the team. Yeah, I know. So
Speaker 1: that's that's my point is what what how productive is
Speaker 1: he going to be? Let me ask you this, do
Speaker 1: you feel better about him? This might be I might
Speaker 1: get my answer right back, Abby, but you feel better
Speaker 1: about a Collins playing in the nickel or him playing
Speaker 1: in nickel right now? Because you're gonna not take You're
Speaker 1: not taking Crawford off the field. It's tough for any
Speaker 1: of us to answer because we haven't seen him practice.
Speaker 1: I always don't know what he's and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Have they yeah, right, Yeah, I know. I know what
Speaker 1: Irving can give you when he's right. But I'd have
Speaker 1: to go with Collins because the last time David Irving
Speaker 1: had a full week of practice was Thanksgiving. That's a
Speaker 1: long time, man, That is a long time. And so
Speaker 1: if if I'm with you on this, if then i'd
Speaker 1: go in the least seven to ninety and they will
Speaker 1: have seen him in practice. We haven't seen him in
Speaker 1: practice this way. Why are you? Why are you giving
Speaker 1: his measurements? He's a mismatch, that's what. Thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: that's good. He's big time talent. I agree. I know
Speaker 1: where Vicky's gonna Micky's saying, just stand there and put
Speaker 1: your arms up. Okay, So you would rather him than
Speaker 1: Collins right now? Not not every play, but ten snaps.
Speaker 1: But Nickel. I heard they're gonna play Nickel on second
Speaker 1: down the whole game. Get ready, they're playing Nickel the
Speaker 1: whole game. Use them all so you use them on
Speaker 1: third and when it's a definite passing situation, definite path.
Speaker 1: If they're going to be a nickel on second and five. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not sending them out there, but third and eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's on the field. I mean they were gonna play
Speaker 1: him last week with one practice since November. I'm just
Speaker 1: answering Brian's question, Like one, I know I can use
Speaker 1: both of them. Then, yeah, let's use both. It's both, Brian,
Speaker 1: it's both kind of figure that was going to be
Speaker 1: the case. Well, don't you think why does it have
Speaker 1: to be one or the other? No, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's ready to play me personally? Well he
Speaker 1: can't be. Well, then why play him? Well, they were
Speaker 1: gonna do it last week. I don't care. Why play
Speaker 1: Why don't we answer this question? Why? Why? Why do
Speaker 1: we think he's gonna play? Not because he's not, because
Speaker 1: why would you play him? They were gonna play him.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying what they don't ask me, Go ask them. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just well, that's our discussion. That's the discussion. Does
Speaker 1: his contract play into it that? How much they're paying?
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's got ten games, but no, I
Speaker 1: would lean towards the guy that was in camp and
Speaker 1: has been around for most of this year as opposed
Speaker 1: to he hasn't. But again we've seen him. Freaking nature
Speaker 1: is what Brian brought up. Brought up a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. He can that's what the head coach said.
Speaker 1: He can come in and do something on short notice.
Speaker 1: But this is awfully short notice. We'll see how much.
Speaker 1: See he's an amazing talent. How much practice did he
Speaker 1: get in after he came off the suspension last year,
Speaker 1: like the next week didn't he? Yeah, he went to
Speaker 1: training camp though too. Yeah, you're right. Anything else on
Speaker 1: that injury report he was working hard in La. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need you need to talk about that. I know
Speaker 1: one you want to know is Wooz. Yeah, I worry
Speaker 1: about that one. I worry about that one. Guys, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie to you. That'sked a couple of people.
Speaker 1: You know, Rod was kind of he's a tough guy.
Speaker 1: Though he's a little better. But yeah, you know, in
Speaker 1: a corner is different than playing other positions. You got
Speaker 1: to be able to plant and go and all that stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: he's limited two days in a row. Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 1: I was not a long practice and they sat him
Speaker 1: the second half. Um, yeah, I think they're thinking big
Speaker 1: picture here. I don't know anything other than to me,
Speaker 1: the fact that he was limited yesterday tells me that
Speaker 1: they they they likely had to go with with Brown,
Speaker 1: and then with Brown and then Lewis in the slot.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's if a guy a lot of people
Speaker 1: wanted to trade. Yeah. Yeah, And and they signed a cornerback.
Speaker 1: Why that's a good point. They added a corner The
Speaker 1: reason why they did that, yeah, because if they don't
Speaker 1: think he can play, then they need a corner I
Speaker 1: think that was a telling thing right there. I'm signing
Speaker 1: a cornerback off of practice squad who experience. They have
Speaker 1: corners of themselves here in the practice squad that they
Speaker 1: didn't bring up. I was told this kid too, by
Speaker 1: the way, this Goodwin kid, watch him cover punts, watch
Speaker 1: him cover as a flyer. They they really like what
Speaker 1: he can do. And I not only talking to guys here,
Speaker 1: but guys around the league. I said, hey, what do
Speaker 1: you know about this good one guy? This guy is
Speaker 1: really good flyer. Now is he the one that's played
Speaker 1: or not? He played twelve games for Atlanta last year,
Speaker 1: both safety, both guys who played, both guys of Giants.
Speaker 1: Was it yeah, Yes, yeah, you know Thompson's gonna be
Speaker 1: active too. He's gonna be your fourth safety. They don't
Speaker 1: have it. They don't have another safety other than I mean,
Speaker 1: him and Fraser are gonna be your two backup safeties
Speaker 1: in this game. Does he have any corner skills? Darian Thompson,
Speaker 1: I would not put him in a corner, Okay. I
Speaker 1: would just go ahead and let go ahead and let
Speaker 1: Goodwin play, and then you know that's why they got him.
Speaker 1: But I'm worried about a Woozia in this game. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like to see him practice today. If he's out
Speaker 1: there and able to take more reps than what I'm
Speaker 1: hearing he's taken, then okay. But he's a tough guy.
Speaker 1: Woozier's played through knee and all that other stuff, going
Speaker 1: out there and practice when I didn't think he was
Speaker 1: gonna practice, and he was able to do it. When
Speaker 1: you signed a guy off someone off a practice squad,
Speaker 1: it's three weeks, right, every week got him for three weeks.
Speaker 1: So that may tell you a little bit too about
Speaker 1: the fact that they think of Woozier. You know, you're
Speaker 1: looking at Jacksonville this week, at Washington next week, and
Speaker 1: then the bye after that. Yeah, so exactly all right,
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Speaker 1: we talked Cowboys, we talk Tommy John once again. This morning.
Speaker 1: I use four of the Tommy John fame. Tommy John,
Speaker 1: Tommy John, that's the John. If you put the underwear
Speaker 1: on your head, I'd be impressed, Mickey, and I'd be
Speaker 1: a little worried. At the same time, Tommy John, or
Speaker 1: how's that poups fitting over that nose of yours? Messling
Speaker 1: that chinos look at something? All right? Pull back the
Speaker 1: curtain here, he mack, and bring us back from break
Speaker 1: one more time. Yeah, sitting there, whatever you were doing,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You were looking at the New York newspapers.
Speaker 1: He wanted to see what the headlines were about the
Speaker 1: giants right now, sack So fifteen seconds Tommy John, fifteen
Speaker 1: seconds ago, I told Micky of Mickey, you got it all.
Speaker 1: I got it. What about your spot you're about to red? Oh?
Speaker 1: I got it. I got it, And so the Jack
Speaker 1: Black spot. But game, Tommy John and Jack Black just
Speaker 1: got more time, right because now we've talked about it
Speaker 1: for more than fifteen seconds. Right, get you some Tommy John,
Speaker 1: Tommy and some Jack Black. How about some Jack Black? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that'd be good. Babes, do you use yours today? I
Speaker 1: have not, though you didn't. You didn't shower when he
Speaker 1: wears this outfit, he doesn't shower. I haven't showered yet, Vicky.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Punishment for that, you have to wear Tommy
Speaker 1: John boxers on your head Monday jacks outside the pants.
Speaker 1: You know what, I just washed him last night. Oh good,
Speaker 1: that's great. Good. I've got five pairs so I can
Speaker 1: put one on my head. All right, Well that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Then I I'll bring a spare pair. Make sure you
Speaker 1: like it. What would be worse wearing and tom for you,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, what would be worse wearing Tommy John's on
Speaker 1: your head? Or a Texas cap like I did last Monday?
Speaker 1: UT cap? Anything? Tommy John is fine. I'll wear I'll
Speaker 1: wear the press convert where Tommy John in my head?
Speaker 1: To Garrett ten minutes. All right, so's your Jack Black
Speaker 1: where you're Oh never mind? Yeah, exactly. So on Monday,
Speaker 1: Nikki will wear Tommy John's during Talking Cowboys, and Rob
Speaker 1: Phillips will wear one on his head to Jason Garrett's
Speaker 1: press conference Monday. YEA, I didn't, I said I hypothetically,
Speaker 1: I'd be fine with THEA he deserves punishment boxers on Monday,
Speaker 1: Jack Black elsewhere? What never mind, let's move on. You
Speaker 1: guys are following. I beture there's a call? Is there
Speaker 1: a call? We ca Really we could be saved by
Speaker 1: that call. I'd use my Jack Black there, all right,
Speaker 1: very good. All right, this Jacksonville team, the concern is
Speaker 1: the defense, right, Yeah, I think so. There's one guy's
Speaker 1: name I want to say, Yaunique in Gockway just because
Speaker 1: I like his name. Yeah, I like saying his name,
Speaker 1: and Cowboy fans should hope his name does not get
Speaker 1: called by Jim Nance on Sunday. Twelve sacks last. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nick Inquay, they're so good. He's kind of the lost guy.
Speaker 1: He was their front. Yeah. They they they they have
Speaker 1: they do. They roll guys in. I'll tell you if
Speaker 1: Fowler's kind of been a lost guy. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you talk about here's a guy that was the ion
Speaker 1: save was a third overall pick in the fifteen draft,
Speaker 1: and and Goquay has done a nice job of kind
Speaker 1: of keeping him, you know, on the bench. And but yeah,
Speaker 1: what I what I what I worry about though, is
Speaker 1: if they do get you in Nickel's situation or passing
Speaker 1: situation where they have the ability to kick Kalais Campbell inside,
Speaker 1: and then they put all those rushers on the field
Speaker 1: at the same time, then that that that that could
Speaker 1: present some issues. We've seen the Cowboys struggle a little
Speaker 1: bit and not as much at home with the communication.
Speaker 1: But we've seen him struggle little bit with some twist
Speaker 1: stunts and things like that that the Texans were able
Speaker 1: to pull off last week. So uh, hopefully you could
Speaker 1: stay out of those down in distance, But I just
Speaker 1: do I just might have these visions of Kalais Campbell
Speaker 1: and that six eight body playing inside. If you want
Speaker 1: to talk about what day of at Irving is six
Speaker 1: eight can do. This guy is even better at doing
Speaker 1: it inside. From there, it'd be a nice little test
Speaker 1: for Connor Williams if it's yeah, And Connor Williams has
Speaker 1: played better, he really has. And Connor Williams I don't
Speaker 1: think has been this issue Dawn, but this this group
Speaker 1: presents a little bit of a different challenge for him.
Speaker 1: And I kind of compared him and Malik him in
Speaker 1: the matchup with him and Malik Jackson to what he
Speaker 1: had to deal with kan Short a little bit last week.
Speaker 1: A guy, it's gonna plan your shoulder, it's gonna get
Speaker 1: up field, it's gonna play a little Power's got some
Speaker 1: core strength to him, it's got some quickness to him. So,
Speaker 1: you know, Connor Williams has come a long way in
Speaker 1: six weeks. You know, hopefully he continues to bend the
Speaker 1: knees and sit down and do his very best to
Speaker 1: make if those guys are gonna run over you, make
Speaker 1: sure they run right over the top of you, don't
Speaker 1: you know, don't want to beat you around the corner
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Dack's trying to slide
Speaker 1: forward and then there's a sack. That's what they don't
Speaker 1: need to guarantee they if they watch tape from Houston,
Speaker 1: they're blitzing, yeah, and so you better be ready for it.
Speaker 1: And I was wondering last week and especially in the
Speaker 1: second half, and they were having trouble with that. Zeke
Speaker 1: came out on several third downs and Rod Smith was in. Now,
Speaker 1: was that because they thought Zeke was worn out or
Speaker 1: they thinking and we need somebody in here that it's
Speaker 1: going to do a little bit better block. Zeke has
Speaker 1: been a little bit better playing on his feet, Mickey.
Speaker 1: But that's a fair point to your that you just made,
Speaker 1: because the early in the season he was cutting cutting
Speaker 1: away too much. And but man, I'll tell you he's
Speaker 1: he's I think alive. It had to do in that
Speaker 1: game off there were some banged up offensive players on
Speaker 1: their side of the ball and on your side of
Speaker 1: his knee and ankle bothered him. So I was just wondering,
Speaker 1: all right, you wonder why Jacksonville, If anyone out there
Speaker 1: wonders why Jacksonville has a top rated defense, look at
Speaker 1: how they have invested in their defense line. They've been
Speaker 1: bad though, They've had a lot of high picks too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but look how they have invested in their defensive line
Speaker 1: the last few years. A couple of years really. Laias
Speaker 1: Campbell unrestricted free agent from Arizona last year, four years
Speaker 1: sixty million, thirty guaranteed. Marcel Darius, who, of course was
Speaker 1: a former first round draft pick of Buffalo they acquired
Speaker 1: in a trade last year, six years ninety five million,
Speaker 1: forty two point nine guaranteed. Malik Jackson was an unrestricted
Speaker 1: free agent from Denver in twenty sixteen, six years eighty
Speaker 1: five million, thirty one and a half guaranteed, first round
Speaker 1: draft pick number three overall in twenty fifteen, Dante Fowler,
Speaker 1: Yunick and Ghakuway third round draft pick in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: and then this year, first round draft pick number twenty
Speaker 1: nine overall, Tavn Bryan. Yeah, they have invested in their line,
Speaker 1: no question. But you also you can look at their
Speaker 1: secondary two, you know, with what they've done with Ramsey,
Speaker 1: with Church, oh yeah, I mean it's five years fifty seven,
Speaker 1: and this is one of those teams that where if
Speaker 1: you want to give a good example of a team
Speaker 1: that's hit on free agency of paying guys, that's your
Speaker 1: that's your good example right there. They're one of the
Speaker 1: few teams in the league that's been able to take
Speaker 1: free agency to a whole nother level with the guys
Speaker 1: that they got. Usually we've seen free agency worked the
Speaker 1: opposite way for some teams. You know, they spent a
Speaker 1: lot of money and didn't don't get the bank for
Speaker 1: the buck. But these guys have done a nice job
Speaker 1: of adding the right type of players for their scheme
Speaker 1: and then having them play very, very well. And let
Speaker 1: me continue there, a very Church shook course. Four years,
Speaker 1: twenty six million, twelve million guaranteed last year. Tayshaun Gibson,
Speaker 1: local kid from Dallas, unrestricted from Cleveland, five years, thirty
Speaker 1: six million, twelve million guaranteed, third round draft pick this year,
Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison, who they're using up as a lineback linebacker,
Speaker 1: Right you know and in the corners. Jalen Ramsey was
Speaker 1: the fifth pick in the draft. Booyer was five years
Speaker 1: sixty seven million last year. Tyler Patman of course didn't.
Speaker 1: They haven't invested much in that, but he's getting playing time.
Speaker 1: D J. Hayden was an unrestricted guy from from Detroit.
Speaker 1: This year they three years nineteen million. Problem and I
Speaker 1: point out though that they had gobs of exactly they did.
Speaker 1: They did so even if you missed not a few,
Speaker 1: it doesn't show the and you don't have a lot,
Speaker 1: and you missed then and then and then Telvin Smith
Speaker 1: got to his second contract and they went ahead and
Speaker 1: signed him four years, forty four million. How many of
Speaker 1: them offense? Well, I guess Parnell, Parnell and yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Now look at the rest of the they paid that.
Speaker 1: Andrew norwell though, that's right from from Carolina. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's go the phone lines. Cortez and el Passo.
Speaker 1: How are you doing, Cortes, I'm doing good, Good morning morning.
Speaker 1: I want to get a sta to the point. I
Speaker 1: have a question and a couple of comments and the
Speaker 1: questions for me. Um, I want to ask you, what's
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's formula for winning football games. And then my
Speaker 1: comment is for Brian. I'm a big fan of the
Speaker 1: JAST Show and I just want you to keep a
Speaker 1: tie on a quarterback from Washington State. I can't pronounce
Speaker 1: his name. I think it's like Matthew the second. But
Speaker 1: that's something to speak about. DA get back to me
Speaker 1: the JAST Show. Okay, thank you. Let me ask was
Speaker 1: there was there some incentive for asking that question about
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. I just kind of want to know, because
Speaker 1: I know you you kind of back up with Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett says a lot, and I just want to I
Speaker 1: just want to hear from you. Go back, go back
Speaker 1: and look at go back and look at the twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen season and you'll see the formula. Go back and
Speaker 1: look at the first eight games last year and you'll
Speaker 1: see the formula. Okay, well is that? But I think
Speaker 1: they've gotten away from from that because they say that
Speaker 1: running the ball is our you know, how we win
Speaker 1: football games? Play. I don't think so. I think it's
Speaker 1: passing because when push comes to job on thirty seconds down,
Speaker 1: they always passed the ball and and everybody says, well,
Speaker 1: it's running the ball, and I don't think it is.
Speaker 1: I think it's passing the ball because when push comes
Speaker 1: to job, they pass it. You got two downs to
Speaker 1: make the first down with this offensive nine running back,
Speaker 1: and he always shootes the pass. Oh they handed to
Speaker 1: Zeke on third and one, didn't get it over time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll see that. But the way I look at it
Speaker 1: with this team, you got two downs to get the
Speaker 1: first down. So even if he didn't make it on
Speaker 1: thirty one and he lost the half yards, I would
Speaker 1: have went no huddle and had two plays right off
Speaker 1: the bat, hit the defense off balance and got the
Speaker 1: first down. On that play that you're talking about, the
Speaker 1: thirty one can Colin blocks blocks the linebacker fifty nine
Speaker 1: Jack got an easy first down there. Colins didn't make
Speaker 1: a play there too. Also, So what you're saying is
Speaker 1: the approach is right, but if you don't execute, it
Speaker 1: doesn't work real Well, yeah, the excuson didn't work on
Speaker 1: that one on college block, But all he had to
Speaker 1: do is get in front of the guy who Well,
Speaker 1: I think you answered your own question. You didn't need me. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't believe you keep listening to Draft show though
Speaker 1: I need you, Gardner Minshow is that quarterback from Washington State. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I say, Gardner, McKay, Jimmy Buffett, Books Menshoe, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen Washington State player. I know Mike Leach. I'm
Speaker 1: always fascinated by what he does with his offense. You know,
Speaker 1: here's a guy that doesn't run the football at all.
Speaker 1: I mean he's won games without running the football, which
Speaker 1: is kind of fun. But I I you know, I
Speaker 1: think that to me though, that you know, the questions
Speaker 1: about Garrett and stuff. You know, this team has built
Speaker 1: the way it is. You know, he had a hand
Speaker 1: in that. If they can run the ball, they're going
Speaker 1: to have success. If they can't run the ball, it's
Speaker 1: going to be a struggle for them. So you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, we got to stop beating our head against
Speaker 1: the wall here and say, okay, what can you do well?
Speaker 1: How do you find ways if we can't manufacture, if
Speaker 1: the run game is not going, how do you able
Speaker 1: to throw the football? You know, we've said this a bunch.
Speaker 1: This team is not the Rams, even though if you
Speaker 1: go watch the Rams play, they're a big play action team.
Speaker 1: By the way, I did watch them play a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, on tape. Just to sit down, every one
Speaker 1: of the everyone of every time that golf goes back.
Speaker 1: You know why they do that so they don't make
Speaker 1: him have to think. They don't want golf to think
Speaker 1: in the pocket. They run play action. They have a
Speaker 1: play action tag on everything they do because that way,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make him have to think, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: him have to read coverages. That's what he did at
Speaker 1: caw so Ts plays early in the game against Houston
Speaker 1: came off play action. Yeah, both went to the tight ends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, I figure out ways for this for
Speaker 1: at least this season to do that. And again, the
Speaker 1: identity of the football team is to try and run
Speaker 1: the football. That's their identity. You know, they're different than
Speaker 1: most teams in the National Football League. I've said this before.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams I've talked to that throw
Speaker 1: the football a bunch that are envious of the way
Speaker 1: they run the football here or can run the football
Speaker 1: or Yeah, so let's not act like that there. It's
Speaker 1: a dinosaur deal. They when Dallas has success running the football,
Speaker 1: we've seen it. We saw it in sixteen, we saw
Speaker 1: it for eight games in two thousand and seventeen. You know,
Speaker 1: something along the way just did not is not gone right.
Speaker 1: And whether it's protection, the quality of receivers, the lack
Speaker 1: of a tight end, the quarterbacks, mechanics, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to say, that's what's been the problem with this football team.
Speaker 1: Mickey mentioned twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen. You're right, formally
Speaker 1: hasn't changed. Personnel has changed. Personnel has changed. There's no
Speaker 1: doug He's not your right tackle. You got a right
Speaker 1: tackle you thought was gonna be better. He showed some signs.
Speaker 1: You know. I guarantee the Bears when they made the
Speaker 1: pick or the trade, didn't look at the Dallas game
Speaker 1: on on Khalil Mack because Khalil Mack had to move
Speaker 1: to the other side to get away from him. You know,
Speaker 1: let's let's you know, they've had some they've had some
Speaker 1: issues with this line. They have a rookie. They don't
Speaker 1: have a center that can cut this defense in half.
Speaker 1: You know, that's why you can't run the ball as
Speaker 1: successfully as you can. I wish that Travis Frederick could
Speaker 1: play this game because as aggressive as this Jacksonville defense is,
Speaker 1: as soon as those linebackers start to flow, you would
Speaker 1: see Frederick hit once hit, take a shot on the
Speaker 1: on the tackle and then he would turn his body
Speaker 1: and he would cut that linebacker off and there would
Speaker 1: be a nice lane for Ezekiel to make a cut.
Speaker 1: All right, two minutes left. Picks to click. Who's your
Speaker 1: pick to win the game? Mickey, and your pick to click?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Okay, let's go to Rob. I
Speaker 1: said I would go about it. I said I would
Speaker 1: go with what Brian did because Brian's undefeated. Okay, you
Speaker 1: want to start with Brian, then no, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: my own way. You know what I'm gonna let I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ride this roller coaster one more week. I think
Speaker 1: they've played better at home. I'm gonna pick him to
Speaker 1: win this game at home. I don't feel Look, I
Speaker 1: don't feel good about it. I think they've got to
Speaker 1: prove that they can move the ball and score points
Speaker 1: against this defense. But they have been better, and I'm
Speaker 1: counting on the Cowboys defense to do something to stifle Bordles,
Speaker 1: get turnovers, whatever it takes to get an ugly win
Speaker 1: at home, and your score twenty to eighteen. Twenty to eighteen, Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and you got a player. I like what you guys
Speaker 1: said about Jeff Swain. Jeff swam is your play. He's
Speaker 1: been their big play high the last two weeks. Jeff
Speaker 1: Swain Brian brought us. I'm gonna go with Jacksonville this week.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna think they're gonna win the game twenty to six.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be problems running the football. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have to throw the football to win.
Speaker 1: If they can do that and have success, they could
Speaker 1: win this game. But I just don't see them having
Speaker 1: enough success throwing the ball. I do worry about Jacksonville
Speaker 1: getting getting some opportunities. They do get their running game going,
Speaker 1: they could you know, if they don't turn over the ball,
Speaker 1: they can win. I just worry. I think this game
Speaker 1: is more in Jacksonville's defense than it is their offense.
Speaker 1: I have them win in this game twenty to six.
Speaker 1: Can I take the Tweboys Cowboys in three Cowboys and
Speaker 1: three point two? I'm going with Rob on the Teeter
Speaker 1: Totter philosophy, the Teeter Totter feel good about it. This
Speaker 1: is the up this is the up week. Okay, but
Speaker 1: you guys are right, so you got what's your score?
Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen twenty seventeen you have a pick to click
Speaker 1: if they lose, who's gonna click? Yeah, I could have someone,
Speaker 1: you know what, I would like pick someone from Jackson.
Speaker 1: I would know. I would like to see if if
Speaker 1: they can win this game. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: on Prescott and I he's gonna have to outduel portals
Speaker 1: here and what they win. But yeah, I do have
Speaker 1: Jackson the cow and if you think about it, that's
Speaker 1: what happened last Sunday. Right, all right, Mickey, you got
Speaker 1: twenty to seventeen. Yeah, and you got who's your pick?
Speaker 1: I'm taking Dak to Dak also, okay, and I'm going
Speaker 1: Dallas eighteen to fifteen. Brett bar Her six field goes
Speaker 1: to Josh Lambo, the former first round graph pick of
Speaker 1: FC Dallas five field. Now, Bill's making a bit. That's
Speaker 1: what I should have figured out a long time at
Speaker 1: eighteen fifteen Brett bar Her over Josh Lambo. We'll be
Speaker 1: back on Monday morning to wrap it all up. Thanks
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