Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with
Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario, so today's guest. Oh man, she
Speaker 1: brings so much joy to the world and to experience
Speaker 1: her beautiful spirit up close and personal, h it was
Speaker 1: such a treat. The talented actress Melissa Peterman joins my
Speaker 1: show today. Who you know and you love from so
Speaker 1: many beloved roles, but you most likely fell in love
Speaker 1: with her from her role in the smashit television series Riba,
Speaker 1: where she worked alongside the one and only Reba McIntyre.
Speaker 1: Of course, so all is right in the world again
Speaker 1: because she's teaming up with her friend in the NBC
Speaker 1: comedy Happy's Place, which just got renewed for season two
Speaker 1: because that's how popular it is now. Not only did
Speaker 1: she reunite with Riba for Happy's Place, but she reunited
Speaker 1: with the Riba team of writers to make some magic
Speaker 1: come to life in a completely different and new, unique story.
Speaker 1: And if you haven't seen Happy's Place yet, here's the
Speaker 1: cliff Notes version. Follow me here. It's about a tough
Speaker 1: and lovable woman. That's who Riba plays who and it's
Speaker 1: her late father's Tennessee tavern to well only then discover
Speaker 1: her new co owner is also the half sister that
Speaker 1: she never knew she had. Yeah, did you get all that?
Speaker 1: And Melissa plays Gabby, who's worked at the tavern for
Speaker 1: quite some time. And let me tell you, Melissa's character
Speaker 1: is a total vibe. But here's what I love about
Speaker 1: this series. It's about three women that are definitely in
Speaker 1: all different places in their lives, and on paper they
Speaker 1: seem so opposite, but in reality, well, they all have
Speaker 1: some pretty important things to learn from each other. It's
Speaker 1: a show full of so much heart. And do you
Speaker 1: want to know how much I love hanging out with Melissa?
Speaker 1: So much so that I am embarrassed to admit I
Speaker 1: invited myself on her next vacation with Reba because that's
Speaker 1: how much I enjoyed her company. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: leave her. We laughed, we cried, and we had many
Speaker 1: heartfelt moments in this conversation that you're about to hear.
Speaker 1: So let's see if today we can get Melissa to
Speaker 1: say something that she has never said before. Melissa, Hi,
Speaker 1: I am so happy to see you. How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm great? Thanks?
Speaker 1: You are like radiating right now.
Speaker 2: Well, it only took a mirror, I don't know. Two
Speaker 2: and a half hours and I just start to radiate.
Speaker 1: Well, there we go. Welcome to New York.
Speaker 2: Thanks. I love it here.
Speaker 1: You love it here, I really do.
Speaker 2: I still, in my mind have that thought that someday
Speaker 2: I'll have a little place here and I can come
Speaker 2: and just see five shows in a weekend and be there.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that's in the cards. You
Speaker 2: have to be really young and willing to live with
Speaker 2: like ten people, or extremely wealthy. I think to maneuver
Speaker 2: New York, right, it could be.
Speaker 1: A tough city. It can be a tough city, but
Speaker 1: it's a good city.
Speaker 2: But it is, and I really I love love being here.
Speaker 1: Well, we're happy to have you. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've already fallen in love with you
Speaker 1: because I was looking at your Instagram and I came
Speaker 1: across a video where Reba came to set and announced
Speaker 1: the season two pickup of Happy Place. Yeah, and your
Speaker 1: reaction was so sweet. You have the biggest goofiest beautiful
Speaker 1: smile on your face, tears of joy. You were so
Speaker 1: ecstatic in that moment. What does that mean to you?
Speaker 2: Ah? Well, clearly a lot I mean it means everything.
Speaker 2: I mean, you I felt like I've won the lottery
Speaker 2: several times in my lifetime just do a show that
Speaker 2: got picked up one time and then to have it
Speaker 2: happen a couple times. It's like, it's not that's not
Speaker 2: who gets to do that, and just very grateful and
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny. I think I was talking about
Speaker 2: thinking about it the first time around. I didn't know
Speaker 2: what it was going to mean, you know, getting to
Speaker 2: do that show. I was naive. I was like, I've
Speaker 2: got a job, I'm an actor. I'm doing it, and
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to keep my head like low and like,
Speaker 2: don't get fired, Melissa, you know. And turns out that
Speaker 2: that show, the first Rieba show, changed my life in
Speaker 2: so many ways professionally, personally I have lifelong friends and
Speaker 2: forever family from there. And the second time around, it's
Speaker 2: almost more precious because I know now I know how
Speaker 2: rare it is. I know, like when you're kids, like ah,
Speaker 2: I'll do this show and then I'll do that show,
Speaker 2: and you know, life's all ahead of you, and now
Speaker 2: you think it's far more precious to me. This could
Speaker 2: be it's really rare and we're taking you want to
Speaker 2: like take good care of it, you know, in a
Speaker 2: way I know how rare it is. That was a
Speaker 2: really long answer. Yes, I was extremely nappy and grateful,
Speaker 2: and I cried.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, it's beautiful, it really is. And I mean
Speaker 1: this show is resonating with people in such a big way.
Speaker 1: I mean, seventeen point six million people watch the premiere
Speaker 1: across all platforms, which is just a number you don't
Speaker 1: see these days anymore. It's right. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's such a rarity to hit that kind of a number,
Speaker 1: which means people are loving it, they're buying it, they
Speaker 1: want more of it. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2: I think I think there's a renaissance of multicams in particular,
Speaker 2: because it feels nostalgic. It feels like it's something you
Speaker 2: can watch and forget things, and you want to hang
Speaker 2: out with these people for what is it now? Twenty
Speaker 2: three minutes at a time, I think about what I
Speaker 2: watched or what I continue to watch. In times where
Speaker 2: I'm like, ugh, this is it's crazy. I need to
Speaker 2: turn off. I go to my favorite sitcoms. I go
Speaker 2: to my favorite characters, those families. I still watch those
Speaker 2: I'll go watch. I think during COVID, I was watching
Speaker 2: Family Ties again because I wanted some time with the Keatons.
Speaker 2: So I think these kind of shows where you get
Speaker 2: to know these characters and they feel like family, they're fun,
Speaker 2: they feel good. I think there's a hunger out there
Speaker 2: again for them. And people say, you know, sitcoms, they
Speaker 2: were dead, they went away. I don't think they ever did.
Speaker 2: I just think something felt cooler for a minute, and
Speaker 2: then they made more of those, and there's always a
Speaker 2: place for them. I like to believe that.
Speaker 1: And they're having a big moment right they are. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot as that comes across traditional broadcast television
Speaker 1: that I feel like are pretty explosive.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think Nightcourt was that first time where
Speaker 2: they were doing it and that sort of opened the
Speaker 2: door for more sitcoms and four camera multicams to be made.
Speaker 2: And I know right now, I feel like I'm opening
Speaker 2: up and reading a deadline article, you know, at least
Speaker 2: weekly where I'm seeing another multiicam pilot happening, which is exciting,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think people think, well, does that
Speaker 2: make you nervous that there's no when there's more there's enough.
Speaker 2: There's enough pieces of pie for everyone, and when one succeeds,
Speaker 2: that means more can succeed, and that's there's not an
Speaker 2: infinite amount of success, so it's exciting.
Speaker 1: Well, that mentality is one of the many reasons why
Speaker 1: you've had so much success in your career, right because
Speaker 1: I don't know if everybody thinks like that, and to
Speaker 1: support other people and want other people to do well
Speaker 1: and look at the big picture of television and think
Speaker 1: like that, it's rare.
Speaker 2: I think, well, that makes me sad. I think it
Speaker 2: should not be rare. But maybe that is why I'm
Speaker 2: you know it, When one funny woman succeeds, it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean there's less roles for me. Means that means they
Speaker 2: want more funny women. And I learned early on. I
Speaker 2: don't know or knew early on. Maybe I you know,
Speaker 2: Reba was always a great example of watch knowing that
Speaker 2: if one person shined, it's better for us. She was
Speaker 2: the first one to be like, give Steve Howie that line,
Speaker 2: or give Melissa that line, because it's going to be funnier,
Speaker 2: and then if we get a laugh, it means everyone
Speaker 2: did better that night. So I think that's just been
Speaker 2: a night. Maybe I don't know. I'm my parents, I'm
Speaker 2: a Midwest girl. It was sort of that way, but
Speaker 2: you know, you can still have moments like oh, I
Speaker 2: wish I would have gotten that part, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: glad she did. And I just think success begets success.
Speaker 2: Did I say it begets a word? Let's say it's
Speaker 2: a word. It's a word, and it has helped me
Speaker 2: in times where I felt like, where's my thing? You know?
Speaker 2: And I think that's a bad place to live in.
Speaker 2: Whatever you do is where's mine. It's never a healthy,
Speaker 2: good place and no success will come to you in
Speaker 2: that place. So I really I really made an effort
Speaker 2: early on to really go you know what it's the
Speaker 2: part wasn't yours. Yours is still out there, and yes
Speaker 2: they went another way, and that person's going to be great,
Speaker 2: but it's not you because you have to think that
Speaker 2: way as an actor. There's a lot of talented people,
Speaker 2: but there's no one that no one will do it
Speaker 2: like you did it. So that wasn't your part. They
Speaker 2: didn't need that for this part.
Speaker 1: You're bringing me to church today and I'm here for it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to be to be fair. I've also
Speaker 2: eaten a pack of Cheetos in my car cried for
Speaker 2: a minute, you know, after an audition, going like shoot,
Speaker 2: I really wanted that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also feel like there's been times like I've done
Speaker 2: a network test and I think I lost a role
Speaker 2: because I had a bubble in my throat, like where
Speaker 2: you did that any way, and like, no, I've got timing.
Speaker 2: I had a bubble.
Speaker 1: You've been through it all.
Speaker 2: I've been through it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's amazing. I'm so happy to see you
Speaker 1: here at this point of your career on a show
Speaker 1: that people love, and you know, coming off of the
Speaker 1: Riba Show, I'm working with a lot of the similar
Speaker 1: folks you know, behind the camera and front in front
Speaker 1: of the camera as well, and now doing the show.
Speaker 1: Did you have any fear or anxiety or a worry like, Okay,
Speaker 1: people know Reeb and I on this hit show and
Speaker 1: now we're doing another one, like are they going to
Speaker 1: compare them? What do we did you do? Think like that?
Speaker 1: Or no?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know there was excitement and also yeah, anxiety too,
Speaker 2: because people want they love that show is so beloved
Speaker 2: and it lives on in syndication and people they maybe
Speaker 2: want we want exactly what that was, and we weren't
Speaker 2: going to be were It wasn't going to be a reboot,
Speaker 2: so you worry like, oh, are they going to like this?
Speaker 2: You're like, well, that's not exactly what we wanted because
Speaker 2: people wanted it. They wanted that reboot, and we were
Speaker 2: nervous and excited but really hopeful that they would be
Speaker 2: accepting of this. And I think we were. Kevin Abbott,
Speaker 2: who is was the showrunner on the Riba TV show
Speaker 2: and is the showrunner for Happy's Place, We've got him,
Speaker 2: We've got Matt Barry, We've got our producers Michael and Mindy,
Speaker 2: so we've all been there, and so I think they
Speaker 2: were very mindful of going it is going to be different,
Speaker 2: and it might bump people for a minute, but if
Speaker 2: they hang on, they're going to see that we are
Speaker 2: keeping true to the chemist. You two have the feel
Speaker 2: of that show, the tone of that show, which is
Speaker 2: we want it to be funny, we want it to
Speaker 2: have heart, and we want people to want to come
Speaker 2: back and spend time with him every week. So but yeah,
Speaker 2: I was scared. I was like, Oh, what if they
Speaker 2: they're like, it's not Barbara. You know, it's not Reeba
Speaker 2: and Barbara Jing again, it's Bobby and Gabby And are
Speaker 2: they going to be okay with that? And I'm not
Speaker 2: the half sister, I'm this person, and so I think
Speaker 2: maybe there probably were people that they were like, well,
Speaker 2: this isn't it. But I think if they came back,
Speaker 2: they they'll stay. And they did stay. So that was
Speaker 2: a relief too. But I was scared. I was like,
Speaker 2: what if they what if they want exactly that and
Speaker 2: it's not that it's different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's clearly resonating in such a big way.
Speaker 1: We're there conversations about rebooting Riba before this came to be,
Speaker 1: and like how did that happen? And what made you
Speaker 1: all decide, you know what, let's do something new.
Speaker 2: I wish I could say I'm ever the one who
Speaker 2: decides anything, because I'm not. I'm the one like when
Speaker 2: do you where do I show up? What time?
Speaker 1: In your opinion matters?
Speaker 2: Well in my house it does. But you know that
Speaker 2: the reboot idea has been floated all the time, like
Speaker 2: whether it was rumors on social media or actual conversations,
Speaker 2: it's been there. I think again, I'm never involved in
Speaker 2: any of the big decisions. But part of it I
Speaker 2: think was is the timing right? Who owns the rights
Speaker 2: to this? And then now somebody bought that company, Now
Speaker 2: they own the rights to this. We have to get
Speaker 2: permission here, there, and everywhere. So it's always never I
Speaker 2: don't think the timing was right for us or for
Speaker 2: the people who owned it. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know that part. I know that there was conversations about
Speaker 2: it and it didn't work out, and then you get
Speaker 2: disappointed and you think, is it ever gonna Are we
Speaker 2: gonna ever get to do anything again? And Reba's always
Speaker 2: been I think the reason why she is still working
Speaker 2: and resonating with people is she's always like, what I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to be doing will happen when it's supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: So she was always like, let's have faith, and other
Speaker 2: ideas were floated, like the ideas, different ideas for us
Speaker 2: her and I to work together didn't pan out, and
Speaker 2: then Julia Abbot, Kevin Abbitt's wife, had this idea about
Speaker 2: what if it's woman finds out that has a half
Speaker 2: sister upon you know, the reading of the will, and
Speaker 2: it came up with this idea and Kevin Abbott wrote
Speaker 2: it it felt right, and then little baby steps happened,
Speaker 2: and I'm still very cautious when I'm like, okay, great,
Speaker 2: so they want you to write a pilot, all right,
Speaker 2: Well call me when that goes. And then like, now
Speaker 2: they want to we want to make a pilot, all right,
Speaker 2: Well we did that. That was great. All right, we'll
Speaker 2: call me if it gets picked up. And it was
Speaker 2: what did Reba say? It was like cautiously optimistic always
Speaker 2: because in this business you don't know. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: in every little step it just kept we kept getting
Speaker 2: a yes, and that felt really, really good, really good,
Speaker 2: And I won't lie the first time we walked on
Speaker 2: the first day of walking on the set and seeing
Speaker 2: the set and seeing her sitting there, it was like
Speaker 2: there were some tears of like it hits here. We've
Speaker 2: been talking about this for twenty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like and it's so rare that you
Speaker 1: get to work with people again who you gel with
Speaker 1: and love and want to work with. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just not a norm in the business. So what keeps
Speaker 1: you coming back from more with three? But why do
Speaker 1: you want to keep working with her?
Speaker 2: Well, she's truly become one of my closest friends. We
Speaker 2: have the timing, like I know, I don't even have
Speaker 2: to say anything, and she knows what I'm going to do,
Speaker 2: and I know what she's going to do. And I've
Speaker 2: been so lucky. I've worked with so many amazing people
Speaker 2: and actors, and there's been there's a few that are
Speaker 2: just you just you don't know what it is. But
Speaker 2: I felt like that on the first show, like especially
Speaker 2: in that season two where just like, oh, we're supposed
Speaker 2: to this is supposed to be a comedic duo sort
Speaker 2: of thing. She's easy, we have a shorthand, she makes
Speaker 2: me laugh. We trust each other, and I think that's
Speaker 2: really important for actors, Like when you trust, I know,
Speaker 2: I trust, she's got my best interests at heart. She's generous,
Speaker 2: she's fun to work with, and who doesn't. I mean,
Speaker 2: as you get older, you don't want to you want
Speaker 2: to work with people you like, and I know it's
Speaker 2: going to work. Also, here's the deal. If you're gonna
Speaker 2: hitch on anyway, and hitch on the one is really successful.
Speaker 2: Like I had to tell you, I've done. I mean,
Speaker 2: when you're doing when Reba's name is involved, it usually
Speaker 2: seems to really work out, and I think I love
Speaker 2: watching she assembles really good people around her, and I
Speaker 2: think that's why it does do that. So I always
Speaker 2: I feel safe with her too in a way because
Speaker 2: I feel like she's got everyone's best interest at heart,
Speaker 2: you know, And it's fun. She makes me laugh, I
Speaker 2: make her laugh, and we have a blast together.
Speaker 1: And before you began working together, you didn't know each other,
Speaker 1: which is amazing that you built this organic chemistry through
Speaker 1: years and years of working together.
Speaker 2: The first day, I you know, I knew who she was.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean I wasn't living under a rock,
Speaker 2: so I knew who she was. And she that first
Speaker 2: day in the RIBA show, she's like, hey, I'm Reba McIntyre. Like,
Speaker 2: we don't need your last name, We're where And even
Speaker 2: the first I she called me, I was like, I
Speaker 2: was so weird. On the phone, She's like, Melissa, it's
Speaker 2: Raba and then McIntyre, I'm like, I know, and I got.
Speaker 2: The thing about her is like she puts you at
Speaker 2: ease right away, and then we just had fun together.
Speaker 2: And you know, I keep shoes at her house in Nashville,
Speaker 2: so no one takes my room.
Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, you have fun to go your vacation together.
Speaker 2: Vacation together?
Speaker 1: What is a vacation like with Melissa and Raba? What
Speaker 1: can we expect?
Speaker 2: A lot of games have been played, Backgammon, Sky Joe everything,
Speaker 2: any game, margariteas.
Speaker 1: Ooh spicy regular, What are we talking?
Speaker 2: Whatever comes out of the blender, cocktails games, lots of
Speaker 2: laughs and no makeup. Like everyone's sort of just comfy.
Speaker 2: And you always know when lunches. That's a very important
Speaker 2: riba McIntire thing. Whether you're traveling or on vacation, we
Speaker 2: always know what time lunches. She needs to know one lunches.
Speaker 2: That's good. I like that.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a fun trip.
Speaker 2: It's a great trip because like I just need to
Speaker 2: know where i'd be at lunch.
Speaker 1: Do you need a pool boy?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, well absolutely, I'm in great, are in great? I
Speaker 1: am so excited. I love hearing stories like that. I
Speaker 1: think it's so nice in the arts when people who
Speaker 1: work together genuinely love each other and it's a job,
Speaker 1: and I think people forget that sometimes and you're paired
Speaker 1: with coworkers that maybe not that you don't love, but
Speaker 1: you just kind of do your job at go home,
Speaker 1: there's you don't like, right, So I think it's always
Speaker 1: refreshing to see that. And I think that's the magic
Speaker 1: of this show and the other show you guys did together.
Speaker 1: It's like you want to be in that circle of friendship,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And you were talking about like what the nerves were
Speaker 2: like too, And then I get nervous, thinking we have
Speaker 2: the we're adding these new cast members, we've got, you know,
Speaker 2: to call, and we've got and obviously Rex I've gotten
Speaker 2: to hang out with because you know, he and Reebarre together,
Speaker 2: so I've gotten to spend time with him. But I
Speaker 2: didn't know Bellisa or Pablo or Tokala. And you were like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be I don't want to force that.
Speaker 2: Let's we're best friends in force at Chemistry. And it
Speaker 2: was a really big relief to genuinely like them so
Speaker 2: much at the very beginning because you don't know, you
Speaker 2: really don't. You can walk onto any set and you
Speaker 2: can respect them, have a good time, do a great
Speaker 2: scene together, but do you genuinely want to hang out
Speaker 2: with them outside of work? Maybe not. And we've been
Speaker 2: really I've been very lucky. On the first show on
Speaker 2: Baby Daddy on Young Sheldon and on this show that
Speaker 2: I genuinely like to be with them and hang out
Speaker 2: with these people like I hang out with I still
Speaker 2: John Luke and Derek who played the on A Baby Daddy.
Speaker 2: My sons came and watched a taping of Happiest Place
Speaker 2: for a finale, and I'm still friends with them, and
Speaker 2: Annie Potts and like you know, from Young shelld I
Speaker 2: love to see her and I'm Rachel. So it's like,
Speaker 2: you're so lucky when you get friendships out of what
Speaker 2: you do for eleven you probably have that happen all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's it's special when that happens,
Speaker 1: you know, And you strike me as someone who's very
Speaker 1: easy to get along with too, So you you you asked, well, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll take up those skeletons later.
Speaker 2: My husband's been with me for twenty six years, so
Speaker 2: I'm not always but I think so yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's a cool energy to bring to any sort
Speaker 1: of job. And I think that also sets the tone
Speaker 1: for what the experience will be like, which is really
Speaker 1: cool and amazing. People keep popping up in this show
Speaker 1: from from the past. We'll say, right, yes, Christopher rich Rich.
Speaker 1: He really hasn't done a ton, right. He was sick
Speaker 1: and I believe had a stroke, Yeah, and hasn't acted
Speaker 1: much since.
Speaker 2: This is not much really sense the stroke. And I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people didn't know that he had
Speaker 2: had a stroke, you know. I mean obviously it's not
Speaker 2: something that he probably announced him, you know, immediately, but
Speaker 2: I think that he's and open about it in more
Speaker 2: recent years. But yeah, he had a he had a
Speaker 2: pretty big stroke. I think about eight years ago. I
Speaker 2: think it was eight years ago around Eastern and terrifying
Speaker 2: and scary because you know, this was it is prime.
Speaker 2: He's got he had two he has two kids and
Speaker 2: three kids and anyway, it was, it was it was.
Speaker 2: I was at the hospital I think within days of
Speaker 2: that happening, and we were all there for him, and
Speaker 2: it was really terrifying, and so it was so lovely
Speaker 2: to get him to come back and and to and
Speaker 2: to do his thing and to watch him do it
Speaker 2: and have a place for like we were like you
Speaker 2: you need to come back, they want to see you.
Speaker 2: And I think for him he was always He's always Chris.
Speaker 2: His body betrayed him in a way that terrified him.
Speaker 2: And I think he was nervous, and so this was
Speaker 2: a safe place to go. You are Chris Rich, You
Speaker 2: are an amazing actor. And to me, he's my family
Speaker 2: because Rock was he was Brock and Barbaging. He was
Speaker 2: my truly my partner on that show. And I was
Speaker 2: young and he taught me so much and he is
Speaker 2: forever my family. So it was just so gratifying to
Speaker 2: have him come and he crushed it. He crushed it
Speaker 2: and he and he was so open about and even
Speaker 2: in those women there was talks before about if there
Speaker 2: was a possible rebo what happening. Chris was very much
Speaker 2: like I will say that Brock had a stroke. He
Speaker 2: was not going to be shy about wanting to explore
Speaker 2: what those what that story would be, and that what
Speaker 2: it would be like for Barbaging if she was a caretaker,
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So I love that he was
Speaker 2: really willing to be open about it and talk about
Speaker 2: what the realities of it are, find humor in it,
Speaker 2: make the jokes, because again you have to if you
Speaker 2: you know, we all know somebody or were related to somebody,
Speaker 2: or someone we love is related to somebody that has
Speaker 2: maybe gone through a stroke, Parkinson's any of these things
Speaker 2: that are just hard for everybody to deal with. So
Speaker 2: again I feel like I'm rambling.
Speaker 1: Do you edit these You're weally want to edit yoube
Speaker 1: we don't want to edit you. I'm here for all
Speaker 1: of it. That's that's the beauty of the show. You
Speaker 1: can actually freely speak and not worry about a SoundBite,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Well, it was it was for we was so great.
Speaker 2: We've had Steve and which was a whole other wonderful
Speaker 2: thing because he's like my brother that I grew up with.
Speaker 2: I remember watching him go in for his final test
Speaker 2: as Van on Riva and he just was bouncing off
Speaker 2: the walls and so funny, so great, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: if this guy doesn't get it, I don't know who
Speaker 2: could play Van. He was just amazing. No one funnier,
Speaker 2: no one makes me laugh like Steve Howie and that
Speaker 2: was lovely. But for Chris, it was especially sort of
Speaker 2: gratifying just to watch him come out and be received
Speaker 2: so well, like you can. You're such a great you
Speaker 2: give so much hope to everybody like that. Keep going
Speaker 2: and get back out there, and I hope he comes back.
Speaker 2: The doors are open for him to come back.
Speaker 1: Well, I know the fans are going wild over it,
Speaker 1: and they love seeing these little you know, respects to
Speaker 1: the past that keep popping up in this show, in
Speaker 1: particular the finalees coming up? Yeah, can you tell us anything?
Speaker 1: Is there anything we can expect?
Speaker 2: Oh? I was like, when did we shoot that? I remember?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, I know we have as all good finale season finales,
Speaker 2: and there is a little bit of a cliffhanger where
Speaker 2: we want to pick it up right where it lefts off.
Speaker 2: What can I say? I think I can. I think
Speaker 2: they've hinted a little bit about on the show. I
Speaker 2: know the episodes, they've hinted a little bit about Emmett
Speaker 2: and Bobby, a little bit of that relationship. And I
Speaker 2: think that there's there's a moment in this finale that's
Speaker 2: kind of fun. Okay, I can say that, you'll want
Speaker 2: you here's what I'll say. You'll watch it go like,
Speaker 2: when is it coming back? I want to know what happens.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, oh, cliffhanger.
Speaker 2: There might be a little I can say. I can.
Speaker 2: I think I can say there might be a little
Speaker 2: love in there.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well, we're ready for it. We're ready
Speaker 1: to watch that. I think it's so cool that you're
Speaker 1: sitting here across from me and I'm thinking in my
Speaker 1: mind about all the shows you've done and how you've
Speaker 1: consistently been working in that sitcom space, right, like you've
Speaker 1: become one of the raining queens of sitcom.
Speaker 2: And wow you have and you have you recorded that? Right?
Speaker 1: You should put that on your Instagram Buio queen of
Speaker 1: rob coms too.
Speaker 2: Maybe right, that's you know what, there's still life in
Speaker 2: this old girl. I can be wrong. It can be
Speaker 2: a romantic comedy, right.
Speaker 1: You can do it all, but it's it's amazing because
Speaker 1: that's not the norm. So what do you think is
Speaker 1: one of your secrets to success with your work?
Speaker 2: Don't be afraid to not be number one on the
Speaker 2: call sheet or number two or number three or even
Speaker 2: number four, Like don't it's be the team player, be that,
Speaker 2: be the sidekicks. Sometimes it comes in and like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I think some people are like, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't want to do that. That's that seems like it's
Speaker 2: not enough or it's not big enough. Like no, it's
Speaker 2: being part of an ensemble. To me is where I
Speaker 2: think everyone can really shine. So I don't know, don't
Speaker 2: be afraid to be the bet story. I think because
Speaker 2: sometimes when you're great at the B story, you become
Speaker 2: the A story. Does that make sense. I've always felt
Speaker 2: such freedom and not on being the sidekick in a
Speaker 2: way and getting there's to me there's freedom and getting
Speaker 2: to be a little bit crazy, the crazy one, the
Speaker 2: one that has a little I don't have to hold
Speaker 2: everything together. I can have a little of freedom in there.
Speaker 2: And I love that. And I love sitcoms. I'm a
Speaker 2: theater girl at heart, and so there's to me that
Speaker 2: medium is like a one act play every week. So
Speaker 2: I love rehearsal. I love coming up with bits. I
Speaker 2: think if I could say if I had a secret sauce,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if I have a secret sauce,
Speaker 2: but I think it's my ability in rehearsals to try
Speaker 2: stuff and to not be afraid to to ask to
Speaker 2: try something. And and I've been very lucky that I've
Speaker 2: been with showrunners and writers that allow that to happen.
Speaker 2: Like I love to I have ideas. I think that's
Speaker 2: a good thing, come to work with ideas. I think
Speaker 2: that makes maybe people I hope want to work with
Speaker 2: me that I just don't wait for them to tell
Speaker 2: me what to do. I've like, I've already thought of
Speaker 2: six things. What if we had this, this, and this.
Speaker 2: You know it's funny. Straws are funny. Let's get a
Speaker 2: straw in there, Like I like to be that person
Speaker 2: that and I love it. You know, I've been really lucky,
Speaker 2: Like we've got a props department that you know that
Speaker 2: goes Kenny. You know it'll be funny. Let's try this
Speaker 2: and those little details of like really, I really love
Speaker 2: the medium. I just love and I love funny. And
Speaker 2: I think I think I understand comedy. I think so
Speaker 2: I understand comedy. Maybe that's why I'm good at it.
Speaker 2: But I love it. And I think there's been times
Speaker 2: where I've taken the job that maybe felt like it
Speaker 2: wasn't not not it wasn't, but just like you do
Speaker 2: want to be there. You're supposed to be the guest
Speaker 2: star on just a Pilom, Well maybe I was supposed
Speaker 2: to be, but now I'm on every episode, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, don't I think there was some
Speaker 2: of some of those moments in my life and for
Speaker 2: sure on that's how it happened on Baby Daddy. I
Speaker 2: think Bonnie Wheeler was supposed to not be in every episode,
Speaker 2: and I think people like, you're just gonna play the mom,
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, I'm gonna play the mom on
Speaker 2: that and I'm gonna have a great time. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be fun. And it turns out I did a hundred episodes.
Speaker 2: So I think, say yes to those things and show.
Speaker 1: Up, because you never know where it's gonna do.
Speaker 2: You never know, you never know. I always tell it
Speaker 2: to people. Someone asks you to come fill in at
Speaker 2: a table read because an actor can't make it, and
Speaker 2: even though you know it's not your part, go in
Speaker 2: there and kill it at the table read. Someone's watching
Speaker 2: you that has another part somewhere else, So say yes
Speaker 2: and show up.
Speaker 1: Are you somebody who has faced a lot of rejection
Speaker 1: in your career because it seems like you've been working
Speaker 1: non stop?
Speaker 2: Well, that's it appears that way, I mean, and I've
Speaker 2: been very lucky that I have, and very pretty much not.
Speaker 2: I've had some dry years for sure, and faced rejections.
Speaker 2: A lot of parts I really wanted that I didn't get.
Speaker 2: Sometimes felt like not part of the cool club of comedy,
Speaker 2: you know sometimes but then reminding myself that there is
Speaker 2: way everyone feels like they're not in a club sometimes.
Speaker 2: I think I've learned that lesson as I got older, too,
Speaker 2: where like you can be in a room where everyone
Speaker 2: I just think are legendary and I admire so much,
Speaker 2: and I guarantee you they're probably and I went, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, they that person. They looked at me and
Speaker 2: they might have known my name or or I can
Speaker 2: tell them how much. And everyone feels like they don't
Speaker 2: they're not in the club. I kind of think that,
Speaker 2: I know, I know that, I think everyone doesn't feel
Speaker 2: like they're part of the club. But I have faced rejection.
Speaker 2: I've been fired before, and that's awful, and it happens
Speaker 2: to everyone where you get fired from a pilot or
Speaker 2: you get recast, that's what they call it. It doesn't
Speaker 2: make it not be firing. You're fired, and I'll forget
Speaker 2: it was. And the people on the show called me
Speaker 2: and just said, it wasn't about you, and you're funny
Speaker 2: and great, and it was. It really wasn't about me.
Speaker 2: It's sometimes about that they wanted somebody shorter or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I've really tried very hard, and I think I've
Speaker 2: been I think I've done it every time when I
Speaker 2: when it's been someone else that's gone Friday, I made
Speaker 2: sure I reached out and let them know, because when
Speaker 2: someone reached out to me, it made the difference for me,
Speaker 2: you know. And the very next day I had an
Speaker 2: audition for another thing by the same producers, so in
Speaker 2: their mind it was like, no big deal. We just
Speaker 2: fired her from there because she wasn't right. There's this
Speaker 2: other thing, and I'm like, oh my god, I still
Speaker 2: have orange dust on my fingers from the Cheetos I
Speaker 2: ate in the car. I got to wash this off
Speaker 2: and go to an audition, you know. And I do
Speaker 2: remember that quite clearly, thinking if I don't get up
Speaker 2: and go to that audition today, I might not do
Speaker 2: it for a while. And I did. And I think
Speaker 2: that every actor and any it doesn't even matter if
Speaker 2: you're in the business. I think where all everyone gets rejected.
Speaker 2: I think it hurts my parents more now than it
Speaker 2: ever did me. My mom like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna I'm not going to buy that cereal. You
Speaker 2: didn't get that commercial like A like I'm not going
Speaker 2: to I'm like you know, Pam, I think that they
Speaker 2: noticed that big dip in the Midwest sales and the
Speaker 2: director feels horrible. They feel horrible, or sometimes she'll be like,
Speaker 2: do you have his number? I'm like, you're not calling them, Pam.
Speaker 1: I love a protective parent.
Speaker 2: They're very protective and if a show doesn't get you know,
Speaker 2: if I didn't get picked up with my mom, they
Speaker 2: would be devastated, which I understand now. As a parent,
Speaker 2: you just want you don't want your kids to face it.
Speaker 2: But I'm getting I'm pretty good at rejection. You have
Speaker 2: to be yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes from the outside it con SeeMe oh my god,
Speaker 1: there's nothing to worry about in your world and everything
Speaker 1: just comes so naturally and easy. But you too have
Speaker 1: had to overcome your own hurdles to get to where
Speaker 1: you are. And you've had longevity in this business because
Speaker 1: a your talented, but be you've never stop believing in
Speaker 1: yourself and you keep going and you don't let those
Speaker 1: hardships stop you and believing that.
Speaker 2: There might be years where you're not consistently working, but
Speaker 2: you're working enough, and then you have a year that's
Speaker 2: spectacular as far as you've been so busy and cherishing that.
Speaker 2: I think that's what I was sort of alluding to
Speaker 2: in the beginning of like, I know how special it
Speaker 2: is now, Like you know, twenty some years ago, you're
Speaker 2: like great, and then I'll do this show and I'll
Speaker 2: get this show and that show, and now you know,
Speaker 2: like this might be the last show or the last thing,
Speaker 2: or or for a while it might be. So enjoy
Speaker 2: every minute and then be ready to ride out maybe
Speaker 2: that next little dry wave until it comes back at you.
Speaker 1: You know. So from being that woman on day one
Speaker 1: of Reba to where you are right now, what do
Speaker 1: you think you've learned about yourself? What's been one of
Speaker 1: the greatest lessons you've given yourself throughout all those years?
Speaker 2: My knees are not going to stay as good as
Speaker 2: they were. And you know more than you think you do?
Speaker 1: Mmm?
Speaker 2: I think that I think I know more. I always thought,
Speaker 2: well I didn't know that, or why would I be
Speaker 2: able to answer that question. I think I think I
Speaker 2: know more than I thought I did. As far as
Speaker 2: you know, I think we all learned stuff through us.
Speaker 2: Most is that we don't give our self credit for
Speaker 2: or if you're paying attention, And I think I know
Speaker 2: I know more about particularly this business and I than
Speaker 2: I thought I did. I don't know does that I
Speaker 2: don't even know if that makes sense?
Speaker 1: It does? It does?
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I'm in a studio and I
Speaker 2: want to I'm trying to like like give a Ted
Speaker 2: talk and I is it? But you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: am I saying it right? You are?
Speaker 1: You are? I think that's very right on. I think
Speaker 1: we sometimes we're our biggest doubters sometimes right and to
Speaker 1: your point, we need a trust and we know what
Speaker 1: we know.
Speaker 2: And I know I know more than I thought. Like
Speaker 2: there's times where I'm like, oh, I know why we're
Speaker 2: switching this scene because that set's got to come down,
Speaker 2: because that can't stay there, because we need to bring
Speaker 2: this thing. And there's stuff like that where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I did know that and I knew that then, or
Speaker 2: I know why we have to do it in this order,
Speaker 2: or I understand why this line doesn't work if we're
Speaker 2: moving on it, if you're standing still hilarious, if we're
Speaker 2: moving doesn't work, you can't have him. You know, there's
Speaker 2: stuff like that where I go I do know more,
Speaker 2: I know more than I than I thought I did.
Speaker 1: So speaking of what you didn't know, when did you
Speaker 1: know you were actually funny? Like did you have a
Speaker 1: moment where that clicked and you thought, oh, hmm, I
Speaker 1: can make a career in this.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I thought I could make a
Speaker 2: career in it, but I knew that there was I had.
Speaker 2: I knew that there was something about the power of it.
Speaker 2: Like it was junior high and I think I made
Speaker 2: like people laugh in a classroom and I was like, huh,
Speaker 2: I like this, Oh, maybe not going to notice how
Speaker 2: tall I am, or how awkward I am, or how
Speaker 2: this perm is not quite working on me. And I
Speaker 2: knew then that I liked that. And also as a
Speaker 2: little kid, for real, my aunt Susan Cathy, they were
Speaker 2: like my mom's younger sisters, and they they had an
Speaker 2: apartment and my sister and I got to go over
Speaker 2: there on weekends and I got to watch Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 2: I got to watch you know, Carol Burnett, Second SETV
Speaker 2: all that stuff, and I was like, I don't I
Speaker 2: want to do that. I want to do whatever they're doing.
Speaker 2: And I would put it. I would, you know, try
Speaker 2: to make my aunts laugh then, But it was junior
Speaker 2: high where I really like. I remember like I made
Speaker 2: a joke. I think maybe it was in geometry, and
Speaker 2: I know that I made everyone laugh, and I thought, huh,
Speaker 2: all right, lean into this Peterman because Homecoming Queen is
Speaker 2: not going to be yours. It ain't happening. And I
Speaker 2: was voted in high school most likely to become a comedian.
Speaker 2: I think I sort of leaned into into it then.
Speaker 2: But I think I knew was a little kid like
Speaker 2: I was always observing, and I think that's what people,
Speaker 2: or I think when people are surprised at the funniest
Speaker 2: person like that, they want to meet her a comic.
Speaker 2: Maybe in real life they're a little more of an introvert.
Speaker 2: And I think that a lot of people that are
Speaker 2: funny are watching people. And I loved to like watch
Speaker 2: people and observe them. And I think I knew what
Speaker 2: funny was pretty early on.
Speaker 1: Thank God, Thank God. Imagine a world without your I mean,
Speaker 1: what would we do?
Speaker 2: It will be quieter if I bring a lot of quality,
Speaker 2: but I make up for it in volume.
Speaker 1: Well, we're here for all of that. We want more
Speaker 1: and more and more.
Speaker 2: If it wasn't funny, then get louder.
Speaker 1: Oh, I like that. Yeah, I like that, Melissa. I
Speaker 1: could talk to you for twenty more hours, but I'm
Speaker 1: not going to keep coffee.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sleep tonight.
Speaker 1: Should we get cocktails?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I should have had cocktails.
Speaker 2: Express some martinis.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mess that up next time, next time. But
Speaker 1: as we wrap up this episode, I know the name
Speaker 1: of the show is called I've never said this before,
Speaker 1: Oh you know it's coming. So this was born because
Speaker 1: I cover a lot of red carpets and junkets, and
Speaker 1: you get a minute and a half on a carpet,
Speaker 1: you get three minutes in a junket. It's not real conversation.
Speaker 1: It's you know, headline based, and it's mainly about the
Speaker 1: project and only the project, which is great and has
Speaker 1: tremendous value. But I wanted to create a space where
Speaker 1: people can come on and really show a different side
Speaker 1: that they don't get to. We's show and show that
Speaker 1: human connection. So is there anything you can think of
Speaker 1: what what that means to you that you've never said
Speaker 1: before in an interview that you want to share today?
Speaker 2: Well, you were great because you gave me time to ponder,
Speaker 2: and I think I've pondered it so much and there's
Speaker 2: so many ways to go, and I know that I
Speaker 2: thought about it, and I thought about it a lot,
Speaker 2: and I think that I don't know if this will
Speaker 2: be helpful. I will probably cry, but I think you
Speaker 2: want me to cry. No, When I think this might
Speaker 2: be helpful, I think that something I've never said before
Speaker 2: is I was always the mom I wanted to be. Yeah, Wow,
Speaker 2: it's hard to balance everything.
Speaker 1: Did you ever doubt?
Speaker 2: I always every parent out there will feel like they
Speaker 2: doubt how they did. My son is great, he's wonderful.
Speaker 2: He's nineteen. And I know I was there more than
Speaker 2: you know you could always have been because I had
Speaker 2: the luxury of nine to five. But sometimes you just wish.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I was always the best
Speaker 2: mom that I could be in that moment, But as
Speaker 2: a parent, I think maybe I'm an empty nester right now.
Speaker 2: So he just left, so I'm like really missing him.
Speaker 2: So I think I just want to go back and
Speaker 2: do moments again.
Speaker 1: It goes fast.
Speaker 2: It goes fast. So everyone out there when they go like, oh,
Speaker 2: enjoy every minute goes fast, and you're like, no, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm holding a shitty diaper right now and I
Speaker 2: want to take a nap, enjoy it for real, because
Speaker 2: it does go super fast and I like it. I
Speaker 2: wanted to say that because I think everyone thinks you
Speaker 2: can do it all every second, and the reality is
Speaker 2: every day you can do one thing really well and
Speaker 2: one thing kind of well, and the next day you
Speaker 2: might do the other thing really well and the other
Speaker 2: thing kind of well. So yeah, I don't think I oh,
Speaker 2: I don't think you always get the luxury to be
Speaker 2: the exact parent in every moment, Like you're like, uh,
Speaker 2: I wish I didn't have the phone that day, or
Speaker 2: you know, there's just a little nothing tragic or anything
Speaker 2: like that. Just embrace those moments, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, was was there a lot of moments throughout
Speaker 1: your life where you thought, God, I'm not being the
Speaker 1: mom I want to be And you're finally at that
Speaker 1: place now, Like, was this a hard place for you
Speaker 1: to get at because you're so emotional about.
Speaker 2: I honestly think it's because he just he's not at
Speaker 2: home anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I was.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I really know I was a good mom and
Speaker 2: I had so much time with him, and my husband
Speaker 2: was I was. I had the luxury of having my
Speaker 2: husband be at home if I had to work, and
Speaker 2: a sitcom is like like the best schedule. I was
Speaker 2: always there and I didn't miss a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: or time. I really didn't. But you know, I just
Speaker 2: it's not even about my job. It was just about
Speaker 2: it went so fast, and I wish and I do
Speaker 2: that thing where I will like look at baby pictures
Speaker 2: and go like I want that moment back. So I
Speaker 2: think it's just being present in moments. Sometimes we rush things,
Speaker 2: we fast forward through things, like even like little moments
Speaker 2: like oh, I can't wait till this birthday party is
Speaker 2: over and I can clean up, Like no, it's don't
Speaker 2: so No. I don't think it was any moment where
Speaker 2: I thought I was a wasn't the mom a bad mom.
Speaker 2: It was just in hindsight, I wish I had moments.
Speaker 2: I wish I enjoyed every moment a little bit more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I think we all have those.
Speaker 1: It's hard to always be present.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 1: It's a fight, right, it's a fight.
Speaker 2: And I really was lucky I had we always had
Speaker 2: one of us was always home. Yeah, and maybe it's
Speaker 2: that time where you feel like I've gotten so lucky
Speaker 2: that I've gotten to I've been blessed to do what
Speaker 2: I love and also have and get to be a parent.
Speaker 2: And maybe you feel like how lucky. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just miss him. Call your mother, Riley, if you're listening.
Speaker 2: I miss you, really, I do. He left in January
Speaker 2: is when he started school. So I just want my
Speaker 2: baby back for like a day. And my mom used
Speaker 2: to always say, if I could ever have a time machine,
Speaker 2: I'd have one more day with you and your sister
Speaker 2: as little girls. And I would be like whatever, And
Speaker 2: then now I go, oh, I get it. I absolutely
Speaker 2: I get it. So now as a daughter, I have
Speaker 2: made a vow my sister and I've actually said it
Speaker 2: that if we ever have an opportunity where we both
Speaker 2: have a free weekend, or we both have time and
Speaker 2: it's possible to see our parents, we do you know.
Speaker 1: Well, something tells me if he was in this room
Speaker 1: next to me and we were asking him a question
Speaker 1: about you being an amazing mom, he would be beaming
Speaker 1: and saying she is the best.
Speaker 2: I think I was. Really, I'll just know. I just
Speaker 2: know that every parent out there will go no matter
Speaker 2: how wonderful or good of a mom you were it's
Speaker 2: you never feel like it's enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's I trust me. I'm not a parent,
Speaker 1: but I am an uncle and a lot of friends
Speaker 1: are parents, and it's a very common thing I hear.
Speaker 1: And I love that you share that today because it's
Speaker 1: so relatable. And again, when are you going to say
Speaker 1: this on a red carpet when you have a minute
Speaker 1: with somebody? Probably not.
Speaker 2: If I did, they might go, ma'am, I am, You're
Speaker 2: fifty minutes are up. You need to get to your
Speaker 2: seat because the seed filler's done with it. They were like, no,
Speaker 2: I've got one more.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: As a child, I never I mean I could have
Speaker 2: gone what was The other one was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I've never said you're paying me too much?
Speaker 1: Which was it bro like that?
Speaker 2: But no, I really wanted to share that because I
Speaker 2: think mothers we do not and parents just have to
Speaker 2: be everyone parents. You never to cut your because I
Speaker 2: felt like I always say to people, cut yourself some slack.
Speaker 2: I think I feel like that's something I would say
Speaker 2: in red carpets, like you know, and then going like yeah,
Speaker 2: but sometimes at night I go, oh, I don't cut myself.
Speaker 1: That, you know, So yeah, well, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing that, thank you for being here, thank you
Speaker 1: for the gift of your comedy, and for happiest.
Speaker 2: Place to watch this ago.
Speaker 1: She's hilarious right right now.
Speaker 2: Look at her, She's just hilarious, balling all over his mic,
Speaker 2: drinking coffee.
Speaker 1: I love it all. It makes you more human And seriously,
Speaker 1: the show couldn't be more needed, I think in this
Speaker 1: world than right now. I am so happy. There's a
Speaker 1: season two coming out too, and we look forward to
Speaker 1: the finale airing later this month. And just keep bringing
Speaker 1: us more joy. I'm progie.
Speaker 2: I promise, I absolutely promise. We do need it.
Speaker 1: We need lots of it, and you bring a lot
Speaker 1: of it. So thank you for hanging out. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy you could come today.
Speaker 2: I'm too thank you, thank you.
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