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Speaker 2: What do you think you today? Hey, everyone, welcome back

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Speaker 2: to on Purpose, the place you come to become the happier,

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Speaker 2: and especially his fans. Today, he joins me to talk

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for having me. Man. That was a

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Speaker 2: All of it, all of it. You're doing all of it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's amazing when you know, I just

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Speaker 2: when I hear about your reputation, your reputation precedes you

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I think it's both, you know, I

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Speaker 1: Me and my team are really close, you know. Every

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Speaker 1: My relationship with myself. I didn't really have a lot

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Speaker 1: it's a misnomer, But there are tons of compulsions. They're

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Speaker 1: You know, this thing, this moving this glass around and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I appreciate you saying it. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and recognize that it's not some dysfunction that they have,

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Speaker 1: What happens is not any different. I think now when

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00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: it does happen, I'm just so much more aware of it,

430
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, And it's good. It's good because when it happens,

431
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 1: I can just I straight up tell her, like when

432
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, this is going on, like just so

433
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, like if I seem a little absent minded,

434
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: or if I'm like if you say something and I

435
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 1: didn't quite pay enough attention to it, like it's not

436
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: just me being aloof it's like I'm I'm kind of

437
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: going through this, and so she understands that. So I

438
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that, Like I don't have

439
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: to worry about her. Why are you being weird? Like

440
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: it's just an honest thing, and she feels for me,

441
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: which is nice to know that there's someone that understands

442
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: what I'm going through, that's supportive of it and doesn't

443
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: judge me for it at all. And you know, I

444
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 1: mean again, she's no therapist either. So but I I'm

445
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: so well equipped now.

446
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: What what has been that equipped? What's that help people

447
00:21:59,160 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 2: are struggling?

448
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: Honestly, the interesting thing about it is like not like

449
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: not giving any like any credibility or attention to the

450
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: thoughts is ultimately the thing that makes it go away, right,

451
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 1: But the years and years and years of not knowing

452
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: that your go too is like think about the thoughts

453
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: and try to figure it out and try to solve it.

454
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 1: So when you do that, like I didn't find out

455
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: what I had till I was probably like nineteen or twenty. Really,

456
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: like I didn't find pure o OCD until then. I'd

457
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: been dealing with it for seven or eight years at

458
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: that time. And once I found it naturally enough, I

459
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: obsessed about it, trying to figure it out, like what

460
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: does this mean? And a lot of that not not

461
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: from I don't want to try to like I'm not

462
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: trying to say like, oh, I was really great and

463
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: I figured it out. It was basically like one of

464
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: the big no nos of OCD is seeking reassurance that

465
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: whatever the thought you have is not founded in any

466
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: fact or reality, right, Like that the trap is like

467
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: trying to solve the problem. So when you're young and

468
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: you're in it, you're constantly seeking reassurance in your own

469
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: mind to like discredit the thoughts that you're having. And

470
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: so I would use that diagnosis. I would go and

471
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: study this. I would go study what's puro and what's

472
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, understand the way that people that have it

473
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: think and the tools, and like I was looking that

474
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: stuff up to try to alleviate the anxiety from the thoughts.

475
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: Little did I know, and not that anyone should do this,

476
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: I would not suggest it, but little did I know,

477
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: I was basically teaching myself to be an expert on

478
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: the disease that I had or the mental illness that

479
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: I had. And so now I'm so well versed and

480
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: studied in it, and again not a therapist, don't claim

481
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: to be. Now I know the thought patterns and I'm

482
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: so familiar with like I can feel it coming on.

483
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: I know when it's happened, and I don't know why

484
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: it happens, and I know I just have the entire

485
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: tool belt of like getting rid of it if I

486
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: need to. And I think that as I mean, it's

487
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: a blessing and a curse. You know, it was a

488
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: curse the way I got to it, But it's a

489
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 1: blessing now, you know, having that knowledge. It keeps me

490
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: from from you know, slipping into that state a lot,

491
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: a lot, you know. And when I talk about OCD,

492
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's the most interaction I get from people

493
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: reaching out to me a lot. A man like you're

494
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: the only guy I know that's ever talked about this,

495
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: because it's kind of like an obscure variant of OCD.

496
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 1: It's not as common as like stereotypical.

497
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: Sure, you know.

498
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: You're hearing about it more and more now though, yea, certainly,

499
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: it's like it's definitely an understudied I mean there was

500
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: a time even ten or twelve years ago I was

501
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: looking it up that some OCD doctors were like, that's

502
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: not a real thing. Yeah, I'm like, wow, Oh, what

503
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: a dangerous thing to like say in a public Like

504
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: what an arrogant thing to say, like if you've never

505
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: had it, just even though you're an expert regardless, And

506
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: I'll probably get roasted for this online, like like how

507
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: dare you say it? If you've never like you, like

508
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: saying someone's mental condition like doesn't exist. It's an incredibly

509
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: damaging thing, especially given the nature of the one that

510
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about, because that in and of that statement

511
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: in and of itself could send someone into a six

512
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: month spiral, Like that statement could kick off an entire

513
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: another episode of like life crippling OCD for someone with OCD,

514
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: because then they would read it and go, oh my god,

515
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: it's not real. I really am a murderer, or I

516
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: really am gonna crash my car into school you know

517
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it just makes people like so panicked,

518
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: you know.

519
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I had a friend who just constantly kept

520
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: thinking she was going to do something bad to her kids,

521
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: and so she had to be away from them for weeks.

522
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: Oh it's yeah, I get it. Avoidance behavior another terrible thing.

523
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: One of the worst things you can do, because then

524
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: you're giving the thoughts like the power of like there

525
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: really is an issue. So now you're isolating yourself from

526
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: your kids. So there really is a problem. Now it

527
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: gives the thoughts more credibility, so you're taking action and

528
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: telling yourself these thoughts are important, so I need to

529
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: remove myself. You know. It's it's crazy, man, It's a vision.

530
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: It's like a rip current in your mind. For sure.

531
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: Your instinct is to, you know, swim this way, and

532
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: really you should just struggle and just swim this way.

533
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: You just want to swim. That was all you want

534
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: to do. You know, it's crazy. It's a crazy spiral.

535
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: He was fucking so beautifully about your parents. What's something

536
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 2: that your parents did for you? What's a lesson they

537
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: taught you that you're trying to pass on to your children.

538
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think really just work ethic, you know.

539
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: I mean my parents, I mean, they taught me a

540
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: lot of things. You know. My mom was just you know,

541
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: she's like wonderful. You know, my dad's was wonderful. And

542
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: my dad wasn't like he wasn't like my buddy growing up.

543
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: Like he was like he was my dad, you know

544
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like he was like he was a

545
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: maintenance man at the bank, and it was like he

546
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: worked forty hours and he came home and he mowed

547
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: the grass and he drank beer with his buddies and like,

548
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: not that I was neglected in any way, but like

549
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: we weren't like powering around a lot because there wasn't time.

550
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: He was constantly working to provide me with food and

551
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: provide mom with you know, Mom was working too, you know.

552
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: So it was a very very working class home. And

553
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: that's what our life centered around. Was mom and dad

554
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: have shit to do, and they're going to do it.

555
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's just the way it is.

556
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously that provided me with a lot

557
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: of things, and I'm grateful for that. I never had

558
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: to wonder what, you know, clothes I was going to

559
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: wear to school or what food I was going to

560
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: eat when I got home, I think that those worries

561
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: were gone, and so, you know, nothing but gratefulness for

562
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: that and my you know, it was like they I

563
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: learned so much from seeing that.

564
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: You know.

565
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Luckily I'm in a position now where it doesn't have

566
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: to be that way. It had to be that way

567
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: for them. There was no other option. It was either,

568
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, it was work and provide or or don't provide.

569
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: You know, those were the two options that were presented.

570
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: With My life now is obviously a lot different than that.

571
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: It's I have the ability to do both. I have

572
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: the ability to do it on my own schedule, when

573
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: I want to and where I want to, I spend

574
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, I have conversation with people that you know,

575
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: everyone wants to know. So what's it like to be,

576
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, a musician and you know being when you're

577
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: you touring and well do you miss your family? And

578
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: it's like, well, obviously I miss him when I'm gone,

579
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: but I'm not gone like that much now. Like I guarantee,

580
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: I spend more time with my kids than ninety percent

581
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: of people, probably because they're not in school. And if

582
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm not here with you I'm there, like there, I'm

583
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: nowhere else basically except for Deer season but other than that,

584
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm not anywhere else, you know, Like I'm there, and

585
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, in a couple of years they'll be at

586
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: Deer season two, you know what I mean. So I

587
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: get to you know, like when I'm home and like

588
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm home and I'm not I'm not splitting my time

589
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: at home between Okay, well, I've got to do fifty

590
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: work things today and you know, the kids are at

591
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: school and I don't ever see them, and then I

592
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: leave and they're you know, begging me to you know,

593
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: play with them for five minutes. It's like when I

594
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: come home, dude, like I'm cooking breakfast, I'm cooking lunch,

595
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm cooking dinner, and like changing diapers, I'm giving baths

596
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: like I'm there, like I'm in it, you know what

597
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I'm hands on. I want to be.

598
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: I want them to know that, you know, at the

599
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: most critical stages of my career that they were still

600
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: the top priority for me, and my parents showed me

601
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: that in a different way. It was like, Hey, we're

602
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: going to go work these jobs that we don't like

603
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: so that you can have the best life that you

604
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: can have, and so I learned that from them. I

605
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: just get too manifested in a different way from my kids.

606
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the way you put that. Yeah, yeah,

607
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: that for you. For them, it was doing something they

608
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: didn't like to show you that they're number one out

609
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: of love and yours is almost like I'm actually going

610
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: to put aside something that I like to show.

611
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: To show you how important you are, exactly. Yeah, So

612
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: it's a it's a different version of the same sacrifice. Yeah,

613
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: for sure.

614
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, from the outside. I'm always fascinated by how things

615
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: look from the outside and the inside. From the outside.

616
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: Your career, we have this like METR. Just what was

617
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: it like for you. What was the feeling that was actually.

618
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was certainly, but it also

619
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: felt like it feels like I've been doing it for

620
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: a year, and it feels like I've been doing it

621
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: for one hundred years at the same time, if that

622
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: makes any sense. You know, tell me those early years, man,

623
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: were really hard, you know. I mean, the music industry

624
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: has changed so much in the last eleven years. I

625
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: mean really have been in it in like an official

626
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: like I've got a record deal, like I'm promoting my

627
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: music and the in the grand way that it's done.

628
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: Now that's only been going on for I mean, I

629
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: guess like this would be year ten for me. Probably

630
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: year nine maybe yeah, you're nine because of twenty seventeen.

631
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: Was my first number one, signed my record deal in

632
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: the fall of sixteen and then didn't really ramp it

633
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: up until like the beginning of seventeen, but had been

634
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: doing stuff on my own for a long time before that,

635
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: and you know, you almost learn more doing that stuff,

636
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: like doing it on your own. And you know, I

637
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: wonder if people miss that a little bit now because

638
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: it's like you, you know, you almost get invited to

639
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: the table when it's time to be there, you know,

640
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: instead of like fighting for this spot at the table

641
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: like in town. Like I don't know if as many

642
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: people are like moving to Nashville now, like you almost

643
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: know if you're gonna make it or not now because

644
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: of social media. And I was one of the first

645
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: people that did that, not intentionally. I don't want to

646
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: make myself sound like a genius. I'm not. It's like

647
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: that I just got I just lucked into that, like

648
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: I had Vine came out on this big platform. I'm

649
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: just singing on there and playing little six second covers

650
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: and then Instagram comes out. I'm doing that and I

651
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: use that as a marketing tool for myself. Again, not

652
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: in like any way of like this is the future.

653
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like I predicted. You know,

654
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to Steve jobs it and so I

655
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: invented iTunes. That's not the case. I just lucked into

656
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: it and it happened to be the perfect time for that,

657
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: for people to be receptive to that, and now that

658
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: has become the model, that is the way you do it.

659
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: So I was just one of, if not the first

660
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: guy to do that. I wish I could say it

661
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: was intentional. Yeah, yeah, I just lucked into that, really,

662
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: And so when I moved to town, I had all

663
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: these sales numbers, ticket sales that to me, I was like, well,

664
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: this is normal, Like this is just how could people

665
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: not be doing it this way? This is the way

666
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: it goes. But I moved to Nashville. I don't really

667
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: know anyone. I have one or two connections to, like

668
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: someboddies that were nude in town that wrote songs and

669
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: didn't have anything else going on and I would just

670
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: go out to writer's nights and try to meet people,

671
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 1: and you know, I found like minded people and we

672
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: wrote songs together and then you know, one thing turns

673
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: into another and here we are. But I don't know

674
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: that that happens as much now because if let's say

675
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: you were a new artist and you go, I want

676
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: to be a country sperien, it's my dream. Well, you

677
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: just get on TikTok or Instagram and you write songs

678
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: at your.

679
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: House and you see how people feel, and you.

680
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: See how people feel, and if all of a sudden

681
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: it becomes this undeniable thing and then the record labels

682
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: are calling your house. So when you get to Nashville,

683
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: it's like the culture of that, like the new people

684
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: in town that are all banded together trying to succeed

685
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: and do this thing. Like that's kind of not there

686
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: right now, you know, because why would you now when

687
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: you could just stay live at your parents' house and

688
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: not pay rent and not take any risk. You don't

689
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: have to go play shows, because why would you. It's

690
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: all in an unnecessary risk at this point. And I'm

691
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: not saying that's right or wrong. Everything progresses and changes,

692
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: but I think it has kind of like unintentional consequences.

693
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: And again not that that's inherently wrong, it's just the

694
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: nature of the beast right now. So I'm thankful for that.

695
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: I was of the kind of the last generation, like

696
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: I kind of got to experience both. I got to

697
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: do the social media like get feedback instantaneously, create my

698
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: own space, my own community, have my own fans before

699
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: anyone else got to decide or control that process. But

700
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: I also got to move to Nashville and be a

701
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: part of a culture that you know, we created ourselves,

702
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: and I e WEE being like me and my friends

703
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: created kind of our own bubble of success that we

704
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: all came up in together. That was really cool to

705
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: be a part of it. It's one of my favorite

706
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: parts of like my whole story is like I mean,

707
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: my first seven number ones was everyone's first number one song. Well,

708
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: my first record was turned into Sony. There was one

709
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: person on the entire record that even had a publishing deal. Wow.

710
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: It was just all people I had like met at

711
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: bars and shit and like wrote songs with that are

712
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: now like lifelong friends of mine, you know, and people

713
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: that I still collaborate with to this day. Not everyone

714
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm still super in touch with, but the core crew.

715
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: It's like people that I like go on trips with

716
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: and like have around my kids and stuff, you know

717
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's like that, that's like you,

718
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: you can't create that artificially. It has to be an

719
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: organic thing. So I feel sad for some of this

720
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: generation that may lose that, and they they probably have

721
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: their own community and ecosystem that I'm unaware of that

722
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: feels just as great as mine. But I long for

723
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: the like the nostalgia of that. It's like I want

724
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: other people to get to experience that the same way

725
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: that I did, but they may just be having that

726
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: same experience in a different lane. You know. At least

727
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that they.

728
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can relate to a lot where

729
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: you're saying, because my work kind of around the same time.

730
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen was the year right again, just like you,

731
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: no strategy, no technique, just started sharing what I believed in,

732
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: what I cared about on social media and it's time,

733
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah took off organically. I didn't know where it was going.

734
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 2: I didn't have a plan for where I was going,

735
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: And so I can totally relate to what you're saying

736
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: about this idea of just putting something out there, and

737
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: you went doing it because you thought the platform was

738
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 2: going to get you somewhere else.

739
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: Exactly it was.

740
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: It was just a platform was available.

741
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: The thing that I love about it is it creates

742
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: no like barrier to entry totally. It's like purely what

743
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: resonates with people. It's like strictly talent based. It's like

744
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: strictly work ethic based, Like it's all based on like

745
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: how hard are you on the work, how much do

746
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: you resonate with people? What's your music? What do people

747
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: think of your music? So it's cool in that sense.

748
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: And whether it's a podcast or a music or I

749
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: don't I can't even imagine, like or a chef like

750
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: I think of like you know Joshua Wiseman, who's like

751
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: he starts out putting videos on YouTube and he's like,

752
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: now he's like this one of the most influential food

753
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: creators in the world, you know what I mean. Like,

754
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: it's just so cool that you can create something from

755
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: nothing on your own accord now and you get to

756
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: control the narrative and have how your career is going

757
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: to go as opposed to you know, this kind of

758
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: nameless like these nameless people and entities going like, well,

759
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: you're going to do that and wear that, and you know,

760
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: they basically they get to it's it's great for everybody

761
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: because there's no risk for the labels in a lot

762
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: of ways. They don't have to go We'll sign ten

763
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: guys and hopefully when of them works out and they go, now,

764
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: we'll just sign ten guys and they're all going to

765
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: work out. Yeah, because we know you just know it's

766
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: going to work out. It's already proven. We have the

767
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: proof right there. So it's kind of a win win

768
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: for everybody in this situation, at least, I think. But

769
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: it's cool, man, it's a cool time.

770
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a moment in your life. You're talking

771
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: about your family being a priority now, but there was

772
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: a moment in your life that kind of shifted you

773
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: back in that direction, right, that made you take a

774
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: bit of a break.

775
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was. I mean COVID was

776
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: a big reason for that. Obviously. It was like my

777
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: career was white hot when COVID happened, and it was

778
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of like it was a bummer. It was a

779
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: bummer for a lot of us, you know, a lot

780
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: of musicians. You know, there's a lot of people that

781
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: didn't survive the whole COVID thing. You know, like you

782
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: kind of come in and it's like all of a sudden,

783
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: you're you know, I can't imagine having been a new artist,

784
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: like a brand new artist when that happened, because then

785
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: it's like you kind of only get the one shot

786
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: and then if it if it dwindles at that time,

787
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: just because of what's happening in the world, like, well

788
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: that can be kind of it. That was tough. But

789
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: my family thing, you know, I we have our first

790
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 1: son texts and then five months later we find out

791
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: we're pregnant with our next bo and so that was

792
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: a whirlwind. I mean, like, you know, you're having a

793
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: five month old and you're figuring out how to be

794
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: a parent, have a baby, and then all of a sudden,

795
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: you have another baby. You know, you have two baities

796
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: at the same time. You know, I mean almost would

797
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: have rather had twins, would have been an easier transition,

798
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: and to be quite honest, you know what I mean,

799
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: like it was almost more difficult because then there are

800
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: two different ages, but they're both so fragile and like,

801
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean when Bo was born, like text couldn't even

802
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: walk yet. So it was like my wife's got one

803
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: on the hip and one in the cradle, and it's

804
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: like I'm out, I'm in. I'm in Australia when Bo

805
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: is born, and that's like crushing the devastating things. My

806
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: whole identity is that no matter what, I'm going to

807
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: prioritize my wife and my children over my job, over

808
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: what I do, Like they're my number one priority. I

809
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: want them to know that. And then here I am

810
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: having this moment of like, well, guess who wasn't there?

811
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: Like the guy that says he's always going to be

812
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: there and that will do anything to be there is

813
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: the only guy that's not there. And so it was

814
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: it was a huge blow to like it was like, man,

815
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: will you set yourself up to do everything you can

816
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: to be there? And then the plan doesn't go the

817
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: way that you thought it was going to go And

818
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: it's nobody's fault, obviously, it's just the way of you know,

819
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: the universe's decision. At that point, I mean, he comes

820
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: to and a half weeks early, you know, four days

821
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: from going home, and he decides, you know, to show up,

822
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: and you know, and everyone's like, what you can playing

823
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: the tour that close? The tour is already planned. We

824
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: find the tour is planned before we even find out

825
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: we're pregnant with with Bo. So there's no cancel on

826
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: the tour. It's sold out before we even know we're pregnant,

827
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: you know. So you have this obligation to your fans

828
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: to go and and and do that and put the

829
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: shows on and and power through. And I didn't. I

830
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: didn't tell anyone that until after I got home, you

831
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I kept it to myself

832
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: because you know, there was never this big like I

833
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: didn't want it to be this big woe as me

834
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: like pr campaign of look how sad I am and

835
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: look how hard it's been. It's I mean, that's it's

836
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: kind of what you know that that could happen going in,

837
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: I think. And so you have a right, you have

838
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: a duty to your fans to continue the show on,

839
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: you know. I mean even if I would have left,

840
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: I would have not been home. Yeah, yeah, I mean

841
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: I will. Right, It's eight am Sydney time. My wife

842
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: texts me six am Sydney time, or whatever. I don't

843
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: even know what that time zone is called, but six am.

844
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: So I wake up two hours after the text of like,

845
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to the hospital. Obviously call her first thing.

846
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: She's in the hospital. I mean, thank god, my sister

847
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: in law was there, my mother in law was fine

848
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: in that day. My parents lived in town, so the

849
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: support system was there, and I'm for that. I am

850
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: eternally grateful. You know, it brings serious perspective to that.

851
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: It takes a village kind of thing, you know. I

852
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: can't imagine my wife would have been alone during that thing.

853
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: It would have been even more crushing. But knowing that

854
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: she had people that she trusted and cared about being

855
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: around was a huge relief for me. It didn't make

856
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: it any easier, but it was better. And so that

857
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: really shifted my focus of like what happens from here?

858
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: Like how do I make you know, how do I

859
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: make changes based on this thing? Like I dread the

860
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: conversation with my son at some point, like because obviously

861
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't know that he's two and a half, Like

862
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: he's not maybe going to understand that for five years,

863
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, but I dread that conversation of being like

864
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, well, Dad, you you know, you made this

865
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: record about being such a good dad, and then you

866
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: weren't there when I was born, But you were there

867
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: for text, and you were there for the next kid,

868
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: And why was I the only one that you weren't

869
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: there for? So I worry about that a lot. Interesting

870
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: and I think that it will be okay. But I

871
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: haven't quite yet processed when to have that conversation. Obviously

872
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: not anytime soon. But when I do have that conversation,

873
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: how do I, you know, say that to a seven

874
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: or eight year old and it be meaningful. I think

875
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: it's bigger than one conversation. And it's not like, hey,

876
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: I went in there, get over it, where that's it.

877
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: We're not talking about it, you know. It's more nuanced

878
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: than that. I'm sure it will be a lifetime of

879
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, conversations, and I'm hopeful that he'll be understanding.

880
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure that he will if I do my job

881
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: right and my wife does her job right. I think

882
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: he will be if he turns out to be a

883
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: good a good person in the way that I hope

884
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: that he does. What do you think you'd say, I'd

885
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: probably just break the news, you know, I think the

886
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: first conversation is going to be I want to tell

887
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: you before you find out first. I think that's the

888
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: most important thing is is getting ahead of you know,

889
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't want him to one day, you know, have

890
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: access to the internet and come across this thing and

891
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: it's you know, Luke Combs misses the birth of his

892
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: child to be at the show and then he's like, well,

893
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: well I didn't know that which child is it? And

894
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: then it's like, oh, it was me, and why did

895
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: he ever tell me? You know, I think that avoiding

896
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: that is like number one. So I think that's the

897
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: first conversation. You kind of like let that like wash

898
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: the shock, a little bit of that like wash over him.

899
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: And then I think there's a follow up conversation which is, hey,

900
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, I would do anything for you.

901
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: You know, I would have given anything to be there,

902
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: but like even if I make the best effort I can, like,

903
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: there's no way I would have been there. Like he

904
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: was born at by ten am and like two hours

905
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: after I wake up, he's born, so like I wouldn't

906
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: even have been able to like get a plane and

907
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: be at the airport yet, and he would have been

908
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: born already, So it's not like I tried and didn't

909
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: make it. It was like there was no way that

910
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna make it. And so I think I'm

911
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: like mentally like past the guilt of it now, Like

912
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: as I beat myself up about it for a while,

913
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't even talk about it for a while without

914
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: getting super emotional about it. And I think you just

915
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: have to move forward, and you just have to. You

916
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: just you just have to, you know, cross up bridge

917
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: when you come to it. And I'm lucky to still have,

918
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, to be five years older or five years wiser,

919
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: you know when that conversation has to happen, and have

920
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: had more time to process and think about it. But

921
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's nature of the beasts, man, Like you know,

922
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: and if you work at the butcher shop, you're probably

923
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: gonna get blood on you when you're when you're at work,

924
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: or you're probably gonna come home smell them like raw meat,

925
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like you know that you

926
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: kind of knew that going for sure, you knew it

927
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: could happen, you hoped it wouldn't, and it did, and

928
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: so now you just have to live with it and

929
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: deal with it. And address it and not let it

930
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: become an issue.

931
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, in days like these, you sing when the sky

932
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: is blue and the grass is green, how much better

933
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: can it be? If I got you and you got me?

934
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: We got everything we need? And even if it grew

935
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: on trees? Will money calm by days like these? And

936
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: you talk about money in that song and enrichment as well,

937
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: and how money calm by happiness? How do you define

938
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: a rich life?

939
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: This is always such a tough subject for me because

940
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: I think there, you know, there's no hiding, there's no

941
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: hiding that I do really well. And that's something that

942
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: I have some guilt around, not guilt from like having

943
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: money or having success. I feel like it's a question

944
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: of like why do I deserve it more than maybe

945
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: someone else? I don't deserve it more than anyone else,

946
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: but you feel this guilt of like I almost feel

947
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: it's not an imposter syndrome, it's not the same as that,

948
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: but like you feel like, man, well, I just I

949
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: feel like I have more than I deserve, or I

950
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: don't deserve to have been this successful, or you feel

951
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: guilty for being this successful, and you kind of get

952
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: this feeling like, well, I maybe people like can't relate

953
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: to me anymore, and like, I hate that because like

954
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 1: I haven't changed other than the circumstances my life now,

955
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: at least I think that I would like to think

956
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: that everyone around me would agree with that. So hope

957
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: I'm not sounding like egotistical by saying that, but like

958
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: I would, I would be willing to bet that a

959
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: lot of the people that know me well would say,

960
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: it's the same guy with a different, different bank account.

961
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: And so those songs are even difficult. I find it

962
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: a little bit like cliche for me to even say that.

963
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: And I danced around putting rich Man on this record

964
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: because I was worried about sounding hypocritical, right, because the

965
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: whole idea of the song is a guy in a

966
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: bar who's basically supposed to the character. His character is

967
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be a farmer, right, Like the narrator of

968
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: that song is not supposed to be me. It's supposed

969
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: to just be a guy who's in a bar and

970
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: he sees two other guys having a conversation. And it's

971
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: basically a guy in overalls who is supposed to be

972
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: my eye. As we wrote it was a farmer or whatever,

973
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: an older guy, and then a younger guy who's kind

974
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: of in a suit. You know, he's doing the whole

975
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: business guy thing, and he's stressed out about the stock market,

976
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: he's stressed out about work and all these things, and

977
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: you know, the farmer just kind of gives him this

978
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: allegory and the song of like, you know, hey, rich man,

979
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: you know, I know you didn't ask, but I'll say this, man,

980
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: all the money in the world don't mean shit, man,

981
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: because it can't go with you when you die, buy

982
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: you time, or hold your wife in kids' hands. And

983
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: for me, I'm very aware of how much better my

984
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: life is by having the things that I have, and

985
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: I'm cognizant of that, and I'm not trying to hide that.

986
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for that and appreciative of it, and

987
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm aware of you know that it makes me. It

988
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: can make me sound hypocritical in that sense, and I

989
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: tustled with that a lot when putting the song on

990
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: this record. So I didn't want people to be like,

991
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: look at this big blow hard telling me how to

992
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: you know, think about my life or whatever, Like I'm

993
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: not trying to tell anybody how to feel in any

994
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: way on that song or on this record. And I

995
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: think for me, though, there are these moments in life

996
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: where I am you know, you say, the sky's bluegrass

997
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: is green. I remember that day we text was a

998
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: baby and we're living in our house like an hour

999
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: from Nashville at that time. We've since moved, and it

1000
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: was just beautiful outside and it was like, my beautiful

1001
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: wife is there, and my kid is there, and my

1002
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: career is going really well, and I'm just really thankful.

1003
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: It's almost just like there are these days to me

1004
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 1: that like you can't put your finger on like why

1005
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: they're so great. You're still surrounded by the things that

1006
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: you have and the people that you love in the

1007
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: same way that you were yesterday and the same way

1008
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: that you will be the next day. But it's like

1009
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: everything just lines up and it's like you just you're

1010
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: almost on this like high of life. Like it's the

1011
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: birds are singing and the temperature, you know, it's you know,

1012
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: it's like the weather's like that every day here by

1013
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: the way, you know, I forget it's January when yeah,

1014
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable, and it's like, you know, it's like these

1015
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: bluebird days and you know your family everything's just hitting

1016
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: on the same wavelength for what. I don't really even

1017
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: know how to describe it, but that was my mindset

1018
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: writing days like these. It wasn't about I live in

1019
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: a nice house or I have this thing. It was like,

1020
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have mattered where we were or what we

1021
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: were doing. It was just everything in the universe line

1022
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: up that day for it to be like this perfect day.

1023
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: And it's not the first one I've had, and it's

1024
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: not the last one I'll have. But damn it if

1025
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: they were not few and far between, and damn it

1026
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: if I didn't wish they came around more often, you know.

1027
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: And you just I love those days and they're so rare,

1028
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: and they're just that song to me, totally captured that

1029
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: moment in time so perfectly, you know. And I just

1030
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: of those days, and I think that there's nothing that

1031
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: I owned, or nothing that i'd bought, or nothing that

1032
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: I could buy, or nothing that I could do that

1033
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: could recreate that feeling. So regardless of the situation that

1034
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm in now, there's no doubt that that money helps

1035
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: with those things. There's no doubt. I want to sound

1036
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: like you guys, like, well, it don't matter if you

1037
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: got That's the bridge of the song rich Man is

1038
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, I say that in the bridge of that song.

1039
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know, it ain't no secret. Having

1040
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: money's nice, you know, but making a live and don't

1041
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: make a life, you know. And I believe that, And

1042
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: I know that's easy for me to say, so I

1043
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: don't want anyone to out there to think that I'm,

1044
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, discounting the fact that I have I have

1045
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: it way better than a lot of people. I'm painfully

1046
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: aware of that, and I struggle with that, to be

1047
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: quite honest.

1048
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you saying that part of just you know,

1049
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: how you can walk around, especially when beautiful things happen

1050
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: to you, and you totally I couldn't agree with you

1051
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: more that it's not that you don't want to have

1052
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: beautiful things happen to you. You just want it to

1053
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: happen to a lot more people, for sure. And you

1054
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: want beautiful things to happen to everyone around you. You

1055
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: want beautiful things to happen to strangers that you've never met,

1056
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: because that's that's the joy of it. It's only beautiful

1057
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: lift right, More and more people.

1058
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: Get one hund you know it is, man, it's a

1059
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: it's a crazy world out there. Man. It's hard. It's hard, man,

1060
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: it's really really hard, you know. And you know when

1061
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: you're in you know, the position gods like us are

1062
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: you man, Like we're so lucky, you know, and you

1063
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: just have to like, I do everything in my power

1064
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: to give that feeling back to other people, whether it's

1065
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: people that work with me, or giving learning to charity

1066
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be, or volunteering me going to

1067
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: sing it something like, any way I can give back,

1068
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: I always try to do that any chance that I have,

1069
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: because that's just sometimes my mother instilled at me at

1070
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: a young age. You know, we I grew up work

1071
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: at the food bank in Ashville. She would take me

1072
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: over there and we would work at the food bank,

1073
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: and you know, she's explaining what this is and what

1074
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: this place is, and you know that at the time,

1075
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: it made me like wow, man, like you know, this

1076
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 1: makes me really thankful for you know, everything we got.

1077
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: And you know, I can't imagine going home and opening

1078
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: up the cabinet. There's nothing in there, you know, there's

1079
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: no it's not even a can of corn in there.

1080
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't imagine that feeling. And so she

1081
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: she forced me to do that when I was younger,

1082
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: and I'm thankful for that because you know, she's still

1083
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: doing things like that. You know, she still goes out

1084
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: and works at the you know, at the animal shelter,

1085
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: at the food bank and in Nashville, and you know,

1086
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: I I got to go from that to you know,

1087
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: after Helene, you know, that ravaged the part of the

1088
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: country that I grew up in, and we put on

1089
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: the benefit concert, and Charlotte my portion of the proceeds,

1090
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: part of my portions of the proceeds, rebuilt the entire

1091
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: food bank that I worked at growing up in. It

1092
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: was completely destroyed, like completely gone. And I got to

1093
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: watch my success and influence have the ability to do

1094
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: something that great and rebuild their entire facility. And that

1095
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: is like something that's you can't even put words on,

1096
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: and like the amount of pride I have in that

1097
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: is immense. You know, like my most proud moment of

1098
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: my career from here on out and forever will be,

1099
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, the show that we did that night and

1100
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: getting to see these charities send me videos and emails

1101
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: and here's what we did, and here's how this worked,

1102
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: and here's how this happened. And it's just cool to

1103
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: get to be a part of that, you know. And

1104
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: it's not I don't come at it from it's not

1105
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: like an egotistical pursuit. It's just like you get to

1106
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: like watch the money that you raised. You get to

1107
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: watch you know, people be directly impacted by these things

1108
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: that we got to do. And I owe all that

1109
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: to my team, you know, I owe all that to

1110
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: everyone else. Like I always say, like I'm the guy

1111
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: that works the least amount, Like I have the easiest

1112
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: job in the whole thing. Like I think, obviously, I

1113
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: do a lot of things. I'm in a lot of places,

1114
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: I go to a lot of different things, and I'm

1115
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: constantly working. But when you love it, it doesn't feel

1116
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: that way. And I'm just grateful for everyone else on

1117
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: my team that allows me. You know, they're you know,

1118
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: they get to be a billboard for me when they're out,

1119
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, meeting even if I'm in there, you know,

1120
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: getting touched up before this thing and they're talking to you,

1121
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, well these people are nice. So

1122
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: I really do believe it's top down, you know, I

1123
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: try to be great and give my team the ability

1124
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: to be great because we work in a good environment.

1125
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: We respect each other, and that transfers man and people

1126
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: can feel that. I said, people can feel that energy

1127
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: when when you're around And that's my biggest point of

1128
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: pride is when we're at a show, whether it's the

1129
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: stadium or we're going and doing a club gig for

1130
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, we did. We played a club gig last year,

1131
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: first time in five years, and it was wild. It's

1132
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: like like eight hundred and fifty people in the Georgia

1133
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: Theater in Athens and like a venue we used to play,

1134
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: and like it felt like the biggest venue in the world.

1135
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: And you go back and when I'm walking through the halls,

1136
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: backstage or whatever, like even the people working the doors

1137
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: or like they'll say to me, your your team is

1138
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: the best team we've ever worked with. Like everyone was

1139
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: so kind and so gracious, and they communicated so well,

1140
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: and they're all professional and they were all in great

1141
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: spirits and like, to me, that is like, that's the

1142
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: legacy I want to leave behind. Is like sure I

1143
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 1: had a lot of success. Sure I had a bunch

1144
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: of hit records and sold a lot of tickets and

1145
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: sold a lot of T shirts or whatever, but all

1146
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: that be damned. Like, you know my headstone, you know

1147
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: here lies good man, good dad, good husband, good friend,

1148
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: good son, good boss. Like that's the things that I

1149
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: want to be remembered for, and so I live every

1150
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: day trying to make those happen to the best of

1151
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: my ability.

1152
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: I saw a video of you starting a console or

1153
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: at one point in a concept basically saying guys, I'm

1154
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: not feeling well today. I'm still going to do the show,

1155
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: but we're going to give you a refund. And I'm like, dude,

1156
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: you did the show like you like you showed up.

1157
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: You did the show, but you didn't you were like

1158
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be my best or something like that.

1159
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1160
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, that's amazing.

1161
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: I remember it was. It was in Maine is where

1162
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: we did two nights in Bangor, Maine. And the first

1163
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: night that's the show was great Run of the Mill show,

1164
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: which and by run of the Mill, I mean we

1165
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: had a great time. It's great, it's fun. We got

1166
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: buddies in town, but the particular that venue is wonderful,

1167
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: by the way, and we were backstage and they have

1168
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: great like they have a fire pit going, and they're

1169
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: bringing you out food and like all the employees are

1170
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: so nice and it's just a great atmosphere to hang

1171
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: out in. And so we had some friends in town

1172
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: and you know, up having some cocktails, but we were

1173
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: all outside. I'm talking two or three times as loud

1174
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: as I normally was, because we're playing music, we're having

1175
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: some drinks, we're staying up late. And the next day

1176
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: I wake up and I'm like, man, my voice is

1177
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: like just a little like it's just a little rough,

1178
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, like not my worst morning I've had, like

1179
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: by a long shot. And I know I've done that

1180
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: enough times to know how it goes and know how

1181
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: it's progressing. And so as the day went on, I'm like,

1182
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, man, this isn't like progressing way it

1183
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: normally does. Like it doesn't feel like it's getting much better.

1184
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I guess maybe around two or

1185
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: three o'clock I call my manager and I'm like, hey,

1186
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: this see can going so hot. I'm starting to get

1187
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: a little bit worried because we have the show tonight,

1188
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: And I said, could you And I've done this maybe

1189
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: twice ever, once was in Australia. This was the second

1190
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: time I said. I was like, I need to get

1191
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: a steroid shot to do the show tonight, and I

1192
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: hate doing that. If you're any kind of singer, you

1193
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: should not get those because they're horrible for your voice

1194
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: in the long run. Don't. It's not something you should

1195
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: be doing a lot. It should be an absolute emergency

1196
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: parachute situation, which it was for me, because I'm like, well,

1197
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: everyone's here. I get the steroid shot and I'm like, Okay,

1198
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be good. I'm gonna get through this. A

1199
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: couple hours goes bye. I go to do my warm ups.

1200
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: I do my warm ups. Let's say we're on at nine.

1201
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: I'll do my warm ups at eight. It's twenty minutes,

1202
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes, and then I'll join the band and

1203
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: then we all hang out, have some drinks, get together, whatever.

1204
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: And I get five minutes into my warm up and obviously,

1205
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean everyone's already played, dude, like the first of

1206
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: three he's played. Direct support's already done. Like people are

1207
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: just waiting for me to come out. At this point,

1208
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: I get five minutes into my warm up and I

1209
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: call my manager. I'm like dude, I'm not gonna be

1210
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: able to sing tonight. And he was like, what do

1211
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: you mean. I was like, I don't know, man, steroid

1212
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: shot like it didn't work, like it worked the first

1213
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: time I got it. I was like, it didn't work.

1214
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: It didn't do enough, like I physically am not going

1215
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: to be able to do it enough. And so we

1216
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: were having conversations, well, what's the options. You know. He's like,

1217
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: he's like, well, we'll just cancel it. We're just that's

1218
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: what we do. And I was like, na, dude, that's

1219
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: what everyone else does. Like we're not doing that, Like

1220
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm not. These people are here, dude, Like this is

1221
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: those concerts, man. Like concerts are expensive, and I'm aware

1222
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: of that. Like I have so much respect for how

1223
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: hard people work and things they sacrifice to come and

1224
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: see me play, because I used to be one of

1225
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: those people. You know, I would work all summer to

1226
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: save up to go see one concert. And it was

1227
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: a big event. Man. It wasn't just oh, this is

1228
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: the thing I'm doing tomorrow. It was like I'm building

1229
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: my whole summer around this one night, you know, And

1230
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: I know there's hundreds of people, thousands of people you know,

1231
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: a thousand yards away from me that have done the

1232
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: same thing. And I can't live with the idea that

1233
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: they are going to be let down and they're sure

1234
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: it's all not going to be let down by somebody

1235
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: else that isn't me. So I told Cappy, I said, listen, dude,

1236
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going out there, and I'm telling him

1237
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: like and he's like, what do you what do you mean?

1238
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm going out there and I'm telling

1239
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: him on the microphone that I can't do the show.

1240
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: And I said, me and the band will play for

1241
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: an hour. I said, we'll play all the hits. I'll

1242
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: sing the best I can, but like we're just going

1243
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: to refund everybody's money. And he's like, I'm in dude,

1244
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: like whatever, whatever you want to do, let's do it,

1245
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: you know. And he's who cares about the money, like,

1246
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, we'll get we'll all refund it. So go

1247
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: out out and usually we have like you know, there's

1248
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: a big interest song and like the video and all

1249
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: this stuff. I'm like, we gotta kill this dude, like

1250
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: we're not doing the hype up video. And then I'm

1251
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: walking out and telling them I'm not playing. Yeah, so

1252
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: I walk out. I remember being like so somber and

1253
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: like my heart rate is just through the roof. I'm

1254
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: like so nervous because I've never done anything like this before.

1255
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: And I remember saying it, like, hey, guys, I'm not

1256
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: gonna be able to do the show tonight. And it's

1257
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: like just raining down booze man, Like it's just people

1258
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: are brutalizing me. Oh wow, and like as I feel

1259
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: like they have the right to do, like I would

1260
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: be pissed too, right, Like mister big Time comes out

1261
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: here and tells me he's not going to do the

1262
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: thing or whatever, and I go, but wait, I was

1263
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: like before you guys, get upset, Like I'm still We're

1264
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: still going to play the show. It's just not going

1265
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: to be as good as I feel like it needs

1266
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: to be for me to take money from you and

1267
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: use it for the betterment of my life or my team,

1268
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: like you deserve you know, you spend all this money

1269
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 1: to be here and you've got hotel rooms and babysitters,

1270
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: and like I can't make that right. So I still

1271
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: want to give you the show. I'm just not going

1272
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: to take the money from the tickets like and and

1273
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: I just just so, this is just free show, but

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: it's just not going to be as good of a

1275
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: show as I feel like you deserve for all the

1276
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: sacrifices that you've made to be here. And we played

1277
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: for probably an hour hour fifteen and we played all

1278
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: the hits and I sang the best I could, and

1279
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: the crowd saying, and it was a really cool night.

1280
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: It was really stressful, and man, I got to give

1281
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,439
Speaker 1: it up to my fans. Like a lot of fans

1282
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: reached out to me and they were like, hey, man,

1283
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: I donated my refund because like we loved the show

1284
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: and we thought it was still great and we appreciate

1285
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: you being a stand up guy, and we just wanted

1286
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: to We just felt like it was wrong to take

1287
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: the refund. Now, not everybody did that, and I can

1288
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: understand that. I wouldn't be mad if nobody donated their refund,

1289
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: you know. But then we came back, I think it

1290
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: was two years later. We came back. Like scheduling was crazy,

1291
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: but we came back and a night there we were

1292
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: like doing stadiums and then we came back and did

1293
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: the little Amphitheater and Banger and it was cool.

1294
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: Man, that's awesome.

1295
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: Great story. Yeah, greats turned into a great story that

1296
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: I was very stressed about that.

1297
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: I can imagine. I can imagine. But that's awesome. I

1298
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: love it. I'm so glad you told me that story

1299
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 2: because I just saw the clit like on social media

1300
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: that i'd seen and I thought, wow, that's incredible. But

1301
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: now to hear the backstory behind it. I mean, you know,

1302
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: earlier you were talking about your wife. You've been together

1303
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 2: for ten years now thereabouts. Yeah, it's mine of my

1304
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 2: wife's ten yure wedding anniversary this year.

1305
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: That's awesome, and.

1306
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 2: So it's fun when you've lived that life with someone.

1307
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:39,439
Speaker 2: How did you, guys meet?

1308
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: We met? She was actually was living in Nashville. I

1309
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: was living in Nashville. We had met in passing a

1310
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: few times, not many, not more than five minutes here

1311
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: and there, like, but we kind of had some of

1312
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: the same friend group, like you know, think of like

1313
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: the Venn diagram. There's like a couple of people in

1314
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: the middle, you know, we all know different folks and stuff.

1315
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: So met like that, and she worked at BMI, which

1316
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: is a huge I'm sure you know what that is

1317
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: for those of you that don't. The performance rights organization

1318
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: that you know, just collects and distributes royalties to songwriters

1319
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: and that's how they get paid. For the most part.

1320
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: There's a few organizations that do it. BMI is the

1321
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: biggest one, and she was working there at the time.

1322
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: She did kind of like specialize to like hr work there.

1323
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: B and I also puts on a songwriting festival in

1324
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: Key West. The Nashville branch puts on one in Key

1325
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: West and it's called the BMI Key West Songwriters Festival.

1326
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: Every year, so much fun. So their whole office like

1327
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: shuts down, like the I mean, it's like, I can't

1328
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: tell me how many people work. They're probably in the hundreds,

1329
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: and they all just kind of go to the keys

1330
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: and help out with events or just hang out or whatever.

1331
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like a stressful work week. And

1332
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it is for one or two people,

1333
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: but the rest of them, we're kind of chilling and

1334
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: having a good time. And so they invite around two

1335
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: hundred songwriters down there, all like kind of in the

1336
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: country space and it's cool because BINGI, you know, they

1337
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: foot the bill for your flight, they put you up

1338
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: in a hotel, like it's an all expense kind of

1339
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: paid like trip to Key West and you play a

1340
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: couple of songwriters rounds and fans come and it's it's

1341
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: really fun. It's a really killer like if you love

1342
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: country music, if you love songwriting, you have to go.

1343
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: It's really really great. So it is my first year

1344
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: going to that. I was probably the last guy picked

1345
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: to go. I have no publishing deal, no record deal.

1346
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: And my buddy Channing Wilson, who is fantastic, he was

1347
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: going down there. Remember me and him were having lunch

1348
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: and he was like, he's like, man, why don't you

1349
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: come down to Key West dude? And I was like, well,

1350
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't get invited, you know. So he

1351
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: called up his rep at BMI. I was like, Hey,

1352
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm eating lunch with this Luke HOLMBS guy and they

1353
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: I had had a meeting over there with them. I

1354
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: was there and they were like yeah, man, like he

1355
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: can just moom with you or whatever. So I was like,

1356
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I was pumped up. Get down there, run

1357
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: into her at an event and kind of hung out

1358
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: like for the evening with friends and stuff. Like, spent

1359
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: a couple of hours together hanging with friends and stuff,

1360
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: and then once I came home, we made plans to

1361
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: get together, like a couple of weeks, Like a couple

1362
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: of weeks after I got home, we ended up staying

1363
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 1: in touch via text or whatever and made some plans

1364
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: to made some plans to get together, and you'd been

1365
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: dating ever since. Man Like, it was just crazy, you

1366
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, shouldn't have any reason to

1367
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: think I was cool at all? Man Like, I was

1368
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: wearing a T shirt and jim shorts when I ran

1369
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 1: into her, and like she was like working two jobs,

1370
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: like making a killing, and I got like nothing going

1371
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: on at all. She just thought I was cool for

1372
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: whatever reason. So I thought that was pretty awesome. So

1373
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: it worked out, and it was great because she's been

1374
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: there with me, you know, since the beginning, and you know,

1375
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: see me through a lot, and you know, we made

1376
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: it through the whole rise together and all the craziness together.

1377
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: And she's the best dude, I mean, you know, I mean,

1378
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: she really is. Like I just can't imagine, Like I

1379
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here without her. You know, i'd have there's

1380
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: ten hit songs that I wouldn't have written, you know,

1381
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: because I wrote him about her, you know, so I'm

1382
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: very very thankful for her man, And she's a great mom,

1383
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: and she's a great wife and a great friend, and

1384
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: she's just a great person. So I'm very blessed to

1385
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: have that like connection with her. Man, Like that's been

1386
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: a huge, huge positive light in my life. Like having

1387
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: her is, you know, she's one of the biggest reasons

1388
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:39,879
Speaker 1: for my success certainly.

1389
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: How did you know she was the one?

1390
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: It's funny as you say this, like everyone's like, well,

1391
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, like immediately like it's for

1392
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: love at first sight kind of thing. And you know,

1393
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes maybe does a disservice to the

1394
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: seriousness of like a relationship of like the level that

1395
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: me and my wife I have. We have grown together,

1396
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, we have become adults together, we become parents together,

1397
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,759
Speaker 1: We've lived together. Like that's not something that happens overnight.

1398
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 1: Like sure, there are those feelings, like those inherent feelings

1399
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: of like lust or attraction. Like I think sometimes that

1400
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: people can confuse that for like this love at first

1401
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: sight thing and they're like, this is the person that

1402
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: I have to be with because I'm so attracted to them,

1403
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: and like sure, the physical connection is really necessary. But

1404
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: the emotional connection I think we forget sometimes in today's

1405
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: day and age that that is, like it's like a plant, dude.

1406
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: It's not something that grows up overnight, dude. Like it's

1407
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: something that takes nurturing. It takes you know, you gotta

1408
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: water it, you gotta trim it, you gotta like you

1409
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: have to be doing maintenance to this thing. And when

1410
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: you do that together, you grow better together, you know,

1411
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: And there is no like this is when I knew,

1412
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: like I knew that I was very attracted to her,

1413
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: and I knew that she was a great person, and

1414
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: I knew that I wanted to spend more and more

1415
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: and more time with her every time I spent time

1416
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: with her, and so I would say that like it

1417
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: just never there was never any moment where I was like,

1418
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't the person I should be with.

1419
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1420
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: She never gave me that. There was never this thought

1421
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: of like, well maybe this isn't you know. It was

1422
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: like there was never any questioning it. So maybe I

1423
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,759
Speaker 1: do did always know, but maybe I just wasn't smart

1424
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: enough to see that at the time. But I think

1425
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: the connection that we've grown over the years is the

1426
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: beautiful part of it, you know. And it's like it

1427
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: only gets better with time. It's like wine or something,

1428
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's probably pretty good

1429
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: right out of the barrel, but then when it's you know,

1430
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: ten years old, it's a whole different story. And then

1431
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: twenty years old, and thirty and forty and so on

1432
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: and so forth. It's a really cool thing, man, And

1433
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: it's it's a blessing to get to to get to

1434
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: experience life with somebody in that way and have somebody

1435
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: to share your triumphs with and your the peaks and

1436
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: the valleys and all of these difficult things like by

1437
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: OCD stuff. She's very supportive of all that. And it's

1438
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: like she's always supporting me. She's never bringing me down,

1439
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like this shitn't take no

1440
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: shit for me. Like that's important as well. But it's like,

1441
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: but that's cool to me, man, Like it's you know,

1442
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,799
Speaker 1: I don't want somebody that's willing to just do whatever

1443
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: I say all the time. That's not I don't want

1444
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: to get it twisted that that's the way it is,

1445
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: because it ain't that like she's the boss bro, Like

1446
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: she is the boss, and I like that's cool to me. Man,

1447
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: Like I like that, Like I like her being like

1448
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: getting her advice on like songs or getting her advice

1449
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: on merch, Like she's such an eye for that so

1450
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: much more so than I do. And like we've done

1451
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: all these cool like merch collections where it's like the

1452
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: Luke and Nicole thing. It's like her deal and she

1453
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: does the photo shoots and like she's doing all the

1454
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: merch and like letting her like I can. I just

1455
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: trust her implicitly with that, like with not just with

1456
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: me as a man and as a husband, but like

1457
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: even with my brand and like my business, and like

1458
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 1: she's not someone that like I'm ever worried about like

1459
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 1: embarrassing me or like you know what I mean, and

1460
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: not that she ever even could, but like it's just

1461
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 1: like having this high level of like trust and respect

1462
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: for her. I like to think that she has that

1463
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: for me too, But it's nice on my end to

1464
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: have that and feel that. It's a very comforting thing

1465
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: to know. It's like, you know, when you go home,

1466
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: there's this person that's like, regardless of everything else, is

1467
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: like on your team, no matter what you know, and

1468
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: that's that's cool.

1469
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 2: What did she see in you before you saw it

1470
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 2: in yourself?

1471
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 1: Brother? I got no idea, no idea. If I knew,

1472
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: i'd be selling it about that. If I knew what

1473
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: it was, man, I would be bottling it up and

1474
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: putting it on the internet. You can amazon it right now.

1475
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: If I knew what it was, because there's some magic,

1476
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,879
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Yeah, the potion, Yeah, Luke's or whatever

1477
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: it was, Dude, I tell you what it wasn't. It

1478
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: wasn't my model like figure by any chance, by any

1479
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. I don't know, you know, I

1480
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: haven't really considered that that. I've thought about it a

1481
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: bunch of times, like I'm like, oh gosh, I don't know.

1482
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: Like I remember I remember my dad saying to me

1483
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: one time, like I think I had this crush on

1484
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: like a girl in high school or something. I was

1485
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: kind of like asking my dad for like advice on it.

1486
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, man like, I just like, I'm

1487
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: like this is kind of cool or whatever. I'm like,

1488
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: why is this going on? He's like, I'll never forget this.

1489
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, so sometimes son, you just don't

1490
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: ask questions. And it was like I was like, okay,

1491
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: and so when it was like when it comes to

1492
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: that stuff, I'm like, maybe I don't want to know,

1493
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I'm just like whatever, you know,

1494
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: And so I just think sometimes when things are good,

1495
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: you don't really have to know why, you know. I

1496
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: think you can you know, then you can maybe you

1497
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: can ruin something like that. I don't I'm not sure,

1498
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I mean I think that, you know,

1499
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: I like to think maybe that she could tell that

1500
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm a good person. I think, and you know, I

1501
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: think that you know, now she knows that, you know,

1502
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: I've got her back, she's got mine, you know, she

1503
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, her and the kids are number one, and

1504
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: like I'm doing stuff for them. And but obviously that

1505
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: wasn't happening when we met, Like it wasn't like we

1506
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: had kids together, you know. But I think, you know,

1507
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: I think she could just tell, like, well, maybe this

1508
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: guy is like it's different than other guys that I've

1509
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, you know, maybe she dated a bunch

1510
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: of losers. I don't know, you know what I mean.

1511
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure, you know, but no, she's

1512
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: rad dude. But I don't know, does she have a

1513
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: roast you bro all the time and my wife rest

1514
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: to the time. Well that she rips me apart, and

1515
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: it's like it's awesome. Would you say she was here

1516
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: she was resting you trying to think, well, she's she's

1517
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: like she picks on. She's like she's she's like, you're nerdy.

1518
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: She's like, you're like definitely a nerd. She definitely thinks

1519
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm nerdy. I like to play video games and she's like,

1520
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 1: oh god, like you know, she like lets me do it.

1521
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: She's like, do whatever you want. But she's like, I'm

1522
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: not I'm not going to not call you a nerd

1523
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: while you're playing video games. You know. It's just that

1524
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Man. She just doesn't let me get

1525
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: away with anything, you know, and in a good way,

1526
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: in a playful way, you know. For real though, don't

1527
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: let me get away with nothing either, but like she

1528
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 1: can also be super playful. And she knows herself. Man.

1529
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 1: She's so confident in herself, and she's so confident in

1530
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: like in us and our family, and like, I think

1531
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: that's really cool. It's really attractive, man, to like have

1532
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 1: someone that is so confident in themselves and I've learned

1533
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: a ton from her. Man, I've learned a ton about

1534
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 1: you know, being just you know, proud of who I am,

1535
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: and you know, having you know, these kind of strong

1536
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: convictions and not being afraid to speak your mind, and

1537
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: not being afraid to say the things that you know,

1538
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: the things that you believe in and share your opinions.

1539
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know I was. I was not as

1540
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: apt to do that until I met her, and she

1541
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: helped me. You know. Also, the thing one of the

1542
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: this is a this is a sleeper pick for a

1543
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: favorite thing about her, is like I wasn't a picky eater.

1544
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: As you can probably tell, I was not a picky

1545
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: eater growing up, but I was a little bit like

1546
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: if I didn't like something, I was like completely out

1547
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: on it. Like I'm like, don't like it, mushrooms hate it,

1548
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: mustard hate it. Like all there was a lot of

1549
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: things that I didn't like, and she really was like,

1550
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, you ought to like try stuff, you know

1551
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you're just kind of like She's like,

1552
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: mushrooms are good and mustard is good, and I'm like, no,

1553
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: it's terrible. I've hated it since I was a kid.

1554
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: And you know, it's just a little I don't know,

1555
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: that's such a funny thing to get out, but like,

1556
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: mushrooms are like probably one of my top five favorite

1557
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: foods ever now and like I would have probably never

1558
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: tried them if it wasn't for her. And I love

1559
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: mustard now, like all these things, like, and it's just

1560
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: that's a small example of a bigger picture of like

1561
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: she's just helped me become more confident in myself, challenging

1562
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: and challenging me and pushing me to do things that

1563
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 1: are hard and pushing me to do and encouraging me

1564
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: to do things that are difficult that normally I would have,

1565
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, faltered at before. And she's just like, you know,

1566
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: she's she's like she's my homie, dude. You know she's

1567
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: the best.

1568
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, she sounds awesome.

1569
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: She is.

1570
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 2: She sounds awesome. You singing your song the way I am.

1571
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, baby, I really tried to change. It's like

1572
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 2: there's something broken in my brain. The more I try

1573
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 2: to fix it, the less I understand. But you still

1574
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 2: love me just where I am.

1575
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's like, yeah, that's on rips, man,

1576
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: I didn't write that song, and that's why I love

1577
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: it so much, as like that statement so perfectly fits,

1578
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the themes of my life,

1579
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: the OCD stuff, you know. And that was a friend

1580
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 1: of mine wrote that with another great songwriter in Nashville.

1581
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: And when I heard it, it was just it was

1582
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: so sonically different than anything that's going out of town

1583
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, there's nothing like that song coming

1584
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: out right now. It's a very stereotypical country sound, but

1585
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: probably from forty years ago. And that's kind of what

1586
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: drew me to it, is like it just felt like

1587
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: this kind of moment that was unexpected, not just from

1588
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: me but from anyone. Really. It's very slow, it's way

1589
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: too long. It's got to just straight up steal guitar solo,

1590
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: like old steel guitar, not like cool steel guitar. Like

1591
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: that's in like you know, some like poppy song like

1592
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: it is like straight up like tears, like something George

1593
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: Jones would be, you know, And not that I'm that,

1594
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: but it's like Lyrically, I resonated with it so much already,

1595
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: and then sonically it was just so different. It was like,

1596
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it felt like an absolute like layup of

1597
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: a song to do. I just felt like, I feel

1598
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be a big moment for people. And

1599
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: I think that that's why ultimately I chose that song

1600
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: as the title for this record. Is it just like

1601
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it really does just that that's

1602
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm so okay with the way that I am now. Honestly,

1603
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:37,560
Speaker 1: at risk of sounding ironic, you know, it's like I

1604
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: at thirty five, I obviously don't have life all the

1605
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: way figured out, but I'm as comfortable, if not more

1606
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: comfortable in my skin than I've ever been. I feel

1607
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: like my mental health is way higher than it's ever been.

1608
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: My mindset, my outlook is all so great, and I just,

1609
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, I have so many people to thank for that,

1610
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, my wife obviously, my kids have helped a ton,

1611
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: and just great friends, great teammates, great band members, great

1612
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: you know, collaborators and great you know, everybody just does

1613
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: so much for me, you know, and and that's kind

1614
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: of you know, that's made me into the way that

1615
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,839
Speaker 1: I am, you know, And that's just that title in itself.

1616
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: Really it felt like encapsulated, you know, the message I

1617
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: was trying to say with this album is you know,

1618
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: this is this is where I am now, whether that's

1619
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: musically or as a person, and I'm just excited. I'm

1620
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: excited for people to hear this record. I haven't done

1621
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: like a commercial project in like almost four years now,

1622
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: and it's time and I just, you know, I hope

1623
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: it's as received as I want it to be, and

1624
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: I it's not. It's okay, you know, but you just

1625
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: have to put you know, what you feel like is

1626
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: your best foot forward and you just have to be

1627
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: willing to live with with the results of that no

1628
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 1: matter what. Absolutely, And I'm more okay with that now

1629
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 1: than I've ever been.

1630
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,839
Speaker 2: And that going away for four years was important.

1631
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: It was yeah, and it was like, you know, it's

1632
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,759
Speaker 1: not like I retired, but it was like we really

1633
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: back to the touring stuff down. Like last year, I

1634
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 1: didn't have my own tour for the first time and

1635
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: ever since I started, and that was weird. It was

1636
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,520
Speaker 1: really fun because all we did was these big festivals,

1637
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, and so the festivals are fun, they're a

1638
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: different challenge than especially the stuff we did this year.

1639
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: You know, we did Bonneru Lopolza, Newport Folk Festival, Austin

1640
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: City Limits, like crowds that we would normally never step

1641
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,759
Speaker 1: in front of, and so I was I really looked

1642
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: forward to that challenge, you know, getting with my band

1643
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: leader and making set lists that were different for every

1644
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: one of these shows and going, well, how do we

1645
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: how do we meet this crowd in the middle, you

1646
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, as much as I there

1647
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: was to half the set, I wanted to come out

1648
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: and kick the door down and play honky tonk shit

1649
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: like country stuff, like I wanted to do that, and

1650
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: we did that, but I also wanted to say, I'm

1651
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: also willing to meet you where you're at a little

1652
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: bit and like help you understand not just me, but

1653
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: that our genre in general is is not just this

1654
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: stereotype of it's not some caricature of like this thing.

1655
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like it's something that you can love too,

1656
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: And maybe you don't know that, and maybe tonight is

1657
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: not the night that you fully understand that, but hopefully

1658
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 1: tonight makes you even be at the inception of maybe

1659
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: I could love country music and maybe in twenty years

1660
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: we're finally where I think we need to be. Not

1661
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 1: exclusively because of me, but that moment helps a couple

1662
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: people have that epiphany or experience and and you know,

1663
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 1: the betterment of the genre is something that is really

1664
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: important to me, you know, and letting people know is like, hey, man,

1665
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 1: like we're here, like we're like, we're more popular than

1666
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 1: we've ever been now and it ain't stop it anytime soon,

1667
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: and I want to do my part to be a

1668
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 1: part of that future and help out the genre, like

1669
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: in regardless of what that means for me personally or

1670
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: my success. You know. I mean a lot of those shows.

1671
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: I lost money doing those shows. I took a lot

1672
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: less money than I usually would to get the slot

1673
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: because I wanted to be able to go and do that. Yeah,

1674
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: I hope some people felt that on those nights, but

1675
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: they were a lot of fun. We sure enjoyed them,

1676
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 1: and the crowds were just amazingly like welcoming and warm,

1677
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 1: which was really cool, man, because I was nervous, you know,

1678
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: like not nervous like I don't want to go out there,

1679
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: but just like gosh, man, like man, like you could

1680
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 1: really fall on your face out here and it would

1681
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: be tough night if like it doesn't go well, you know,

1682
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 1: like if you're not well received headline and also city limits,

1683
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: like that'd be tough, or like you come out and

1684
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: bond it and your headliner and it's like people aren't

1685
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: into it. Be pretty crushing. No, it could be like

1686
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: a pretty crushing night if it doesn't know, But at

1687
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,520
Speaker 1: least everyone made me feel like they went well. And

1688
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: maybe they didn't, but I like my perception was that

1689
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 1: they went really well and I enjoyed it.

1690
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I can relate because I get asked to

1691
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 2: teach meditation in all these places, like random places that

1692
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 2: you would expect this I did. I did a meditational

1693
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 2: mainstage of Bonnaroo a few years back, and everyone was

1694
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 2: just like wanting the main act to come out, and

1695
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 2: it's like you're having to get everyone into a zone

1696
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: before they experienced the thing they want to experience. And

1697
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 2: it's like the pressure of that and thankfully, when okay,

1698
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't you know, everyone everyone was surprisingly quiet. It

1699
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 2: was impressive, wow, but it was you know it. My

1700
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 2: world's very different to yours, but it's that same pressure,

1701
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 2: just like, how do you get people at this music.

1702
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 1: Festival right to be quiet, to have the opposite but

1703
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,839
Speaker 1: the ethesis of why they're there totally, But when.

1704
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 2: People do it. What's fascinating when it's worked is the

1705
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 2: music that comes after it. Everyone's senses are like ready

1706
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,520
Speaker 2: for it because you've gone so almost.

1707
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: Gives him a moment to like reset total. It's like

1708
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 1: sniffing the coffee beans at Yankee candle before you smell

1709
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: the other candle. You know, I've smelled all these great

1710
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,719
Speaker 1: candles and now I don't even know what this candle

1711
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: smells like. So you have the you're the coffee bean. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1712
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 1: the coffee no one knows they need. And then they

1713
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: smell them and they're like, I'm glad I smelled those cars.

1714
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 1: That's how I'm gonna explain it. Next to them stays

1715
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm there. Here comes your coffee.

1716
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I love that. Because everyone said how much

1717
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 2: fun you were, we were like, we'll put together a

1718
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 2: fun game for you. We do this for special guest,

1719
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 2: So this one was done for you. This game is

1720
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 2: called the Everyday Guide Test, So we're going to see

1721
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 2: whether you fail OPOSTA test. It's all for fun. I'm

1722
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 2: just putting it out there right now that I would

1723
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 2: fail this test, so I may. Yeah. So so here

1724
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 2: we go, the every Day Guide Test at a restaurant,

1725
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 2: do you order tap or filter the water?

1726
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what. I didn't grow up going

1727
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 1: to restaurants where they even asked what kind of there

1728
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: was no water choice like that. To me, that's a

1729
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: whole new world for me. But they they're like, they'll

1730
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: come up and they're like, was it is tap okay?

1731
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 1: Or like or bottled or still or like how many

1732
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: choices are there? Now? Do you have? You know, it's

1733
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: like would you like it boxed or bottled or decanted?

1734
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: And like, like just water it would be great. I

1735
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 1: usually it is. My answer to that question is whatever

1736
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: is easiest for you, whatever is the easiest, because to me,

1737
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: it's just all water. Like I'm not a guy that's

1738
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: of the belief that like nine point five pH water

1739
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: is gonna make a difference, to be quite honest, and

1740
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: it probably does, and that will may be my downfall

1741
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 1: at some point, but I'm like, hey, whatever makes your

1742
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: night less of a hassle for me, Just just give

1743
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: me that. I'm fine with it. I'm fine with the

1744
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 1: first thing you can grab, get it and I'll drink it.

1745
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 2: I love it. Regular milk or almond milk.

1746
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: Regular milk. I do like it. I do, like an

1747
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: almond milk. I got no beef with an almond milk,

1748
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 1: but I do. I do. I would say probably if

1749
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 1: I had to choose regular milk, and you're not gonna

1750
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: beat the creaminess of it, all right, this one.

1751
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 2: I was cracking up that when the team put it

1752
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 2: in there. Do you tip based on math or vibes?

1753
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 1: Oh, vibes for sure, vibes for I'm an overtipper. I'm

1754
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: like an OVERTI I'm like, I'm like, yeah, like we

1755
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 1: go to a nice mealk hunter Bucks like great, like

1756
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, depending upon the place, of course, but it's

1757
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 1: like I always try to tip. Man, I'm just grateful

1758
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: for anybody you know that works in the service industry.

1759
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: You know, I know how difficult it is, you know,

1760
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 1: dealing with the public and not everybody so great. Not

1761
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: that I'm so great, but I try to just be

1762
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: you know. It's just another version of like passing along

1763
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: the blessings that you have to someone else and being grateful.

1764
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 2: Winning Right now, man, this is amazing you. You're beating

1765
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 2: this game like this game is this game is losing, guys.

1766
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 2: Let's let's do a few more. Last time you went

1767
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 2: to the grocery store last week.

1768
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 1: Okay, I go every week at least twice a week.

1769
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 2: Choice of grocery store is this, Okay, you're gonna like

1770
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 2: this one.

1771
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: I like Publics. It's the closest one to me in

1772
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: the same shopping center. I got a Sprouts nice. So

1773
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: if I'm going, like, if I'm going strictly food, I'm

1774
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 1: probably going to Sprouts, uh, paper goods, diet Coke, going

1775
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:56,839
Speaker 1: to publics, you know what I mean? I love the Publics.

1776
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 1: I love a pub sub, but I love the Sprouts. Man.

1777
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,440
Speaker 1: It's like I love Sprout. It's like a less stressful

1778
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: Whole Foods, you know what I mean. Like you go

1779
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 1: in and you're not like feeling like you're in the way,

1780
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I went to this Arawon place. Yeah,

1781
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah. You want to spend sixty dollars on

1782
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: something going to that place, dude? I mean it's nice

1783
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: in there. It is like if you had a different

1784
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: variant of OCD. You love that place because everything is

1785
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: like there's not expected dust in that place. Yeah, I mean,

1786
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: but if there was, you would have to pay for it,

1787
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 1: probably because it is not cheap. I'll tell you that

1788
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 1: much great.

1789
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 2: So good, so good? Do you pack your own clothes?

1790
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 2: It is someone packed for you, bro, I.

1791
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: Packed my own stuff, Dude, I might pack him for me. Dude,

1792
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask man, dude, I'm packing my back.

1793
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 2: Oh good, all right, last one, last one. This one's

1794
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 2: the last time you venmo requested someone.

1795
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, let me look, it's probably been a while

1796
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 1: veno request. Yeah, it's probably been quite some time. I

1797
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: would say, let me see, I can pop it up here.

1798
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm now, I'm genuinely curious. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know

1799
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: that I've requested venmo for I've paid people on but

1800
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: actually requesting I don't even know that I would even

1801
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: have one, to be quite honest, I've only used I've

1802
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: got venmode. My buddy sent me a Venmo for some

1803
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: deer stands redneck as that is. That's my last Venmo thing.

1804
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: But I can't even find a time that I venmoed

1805
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: someone else for something nice because I feel like a

1806
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: lot of the times, like I'm not a guy. Like listen, dude,

1807
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: if you're going out to eat with me, like I'm paying,

1808
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: like I'm paying, Like I'm not a guy. That's like

1809
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: wolves you know, just send me twenty dollars for the

1810
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 1: check or whatever, like, uh so yeah, not not any

1811
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: VENMO request for me.

1812
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 2: You puss the test, the every day guy test.

1813
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 1: I survived, Yeah, yeah survived.

1814
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah you killed that. The ances are amazing. I was like,

1815
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 2: we need to we need to test a few more

1816
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 2: people like you.

1817
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: Should have been like what kind of ranch would you need?

1818
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 1: A spanning? I mean like I thought it was going

1819
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: to be like what kind of diameter? You know? I'm like,

1820
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: oh I was, trust me, I wouldn't either do I

1821
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 1: wish I was. I wish I was handier than I am.

1822
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: My dad is very handy, but I did not get

1823
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:15,799
Speaker 1: that gene.

1824
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 2: My dad was not handy, So I'm not handy. You

1825
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 2: missed out there.

1826
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 1: I can. I can do it a little bit, but

1827
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 1: not to the level I would like to. I would

1828
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,719
Speaker 1: love to be able to like take an engine apart

1829
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 1: and just be like yeah, it would just amazing, dude.

1830
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: People that do that are geniuses. Man, I don't care

1831
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: what anybody says. Dude, that stuff is so hard. My

1832
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: mind is not like uh like, math is not great

1833
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 1: for me. It just takes me a lot of time

1834
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: to do. I know how to do it the basic

1835
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 1: stuff obviously, but like, dude, anything past division and multiplication.

1836
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're speaking Chinese. I have no idea. You know,

1837
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: I got we got people for that. Yeah, and I'm glad.

1838
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 1: That's the way the world is. You get somebody that's

1839
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 1: good at that. I do the thing I'm good at,

1840
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: then you're good at community bing bang, right and everyone wins. Yeah,

1841
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 1: and everybody wins. Everybody's happy, all right.

1842
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 2: Finished, finish the sentence on these ones. As the first

1843
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 2: thing that comes to my mind. The thing I take

1844
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 2: way too seriously is.

1845
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: Video games, which games Battlefield six recently has been kind

1846
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,719
Speaker 1: of my uh, that's kind of been my thing recently,

1847
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 1: like ins doable a football love. I'm a big football guy.

1848
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 1: Take that way too seriously. Yeah, definitely video games. Are

1849
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:34,560
Speaker 1: you playing online? Are you playing I'll play online. No,

1850
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm not playing in suitable a online. It's too sweaty,

1851
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 1: Like everybody's too good. You know, there's people Obviously, I

1852
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,600
Speaker 1: don't take it seriously enough because I'm a god awful online.

1853
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: But I just really playing against my buddies. But like, man,

1854
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about like I've been out of shape, Like

1855
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 1: I lose I'm it's like affecting my day to some extent,

1856
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: and I lose a lot, so I'm not very good.

1857
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: So maybe I probably shouldn't take it too seriously, but

1858
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: I do.

1859
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 2: I love it the teest thing I've done recently.

1860
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:05,679
Speaker 1: Oh, it's all going to be practical joke like joke related,

1861
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: Like me and my buddies are just we just shred

1862
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 1: each other all the time. I mean, it's hard to

1863
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: pick a particular one, but like the jokes, Like the

1864
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 1: jokes can be like sometimes like when we have like

1865
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,599
Speaker 1: me and my friends were so comfortable around each other

1866
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: and like we all kind of have a similar sense

1867
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,480
Speaker 1: of humor and we all like know how it operates.

1868
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes I have to forget, like when we're around people

1869
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 1: that don't know us at all or that have just

1870
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: met us and we're in like full friendship like joking

1871
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 1: mode that I'm like, maybe these people don't Maybe we

1872
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: should just a little bit dial it back because people

1873
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 1: are gonna think we're weird or they're going to be like,

1874
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: these guys are complete assholes to each other, and it's

1875
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: like it's all love. Yes, if you didn't know us,

1876
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: you might be like, man, these guys are ruthless, you

1877
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, sometimes I just got back

1878
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 1: at all, like forget that not everyone knows has known

1879
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 1: us for twenty years.

1880
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife has to be like no personal jokes,

1881
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 2: like yeah, when your guy friends are, don't make it

1882
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:10,719
Speaker 2: on other people.

1883
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: If there's if it's just close friends, let's avoid all these,

1884
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: like all the jokes about each other. Yeah, that's that's

1885
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 1: my pettiness right there.

1886
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 2: My guilty pleasure artist or song.

1887
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: Is ooh, right now, it's Olivia Dean. It's my gosh.

1888
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 1: Her voice is so good man. That's not like something

1889
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 1: people probably think I'm listening to. But the melodies are

1890
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 1: so good man. It's like there's like some uh, there's

1891
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: like some Amy One House stuff going on there, which

1892
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 1: I loved her man, unbelievable. There's some like early John

1893
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 1: legend stuff going on, like female John legend vibes, like

1894
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 1: when he was really rocking the piano, like the albums

1895
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,719
Speaker 1: were real piano centric. Uh. He had that. The album

1896
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 1: Another Again was like a soundtrack to like probably like

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01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 1: my junior year of high school. And when I heard

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01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 1: the Olivia Dean record for the first time, my wife

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01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: put me onto that. I was like this is like

1900
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 1: like I felt like I was listening to another again

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01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 1: like all over like for the first time, and I

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01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 1: loved that vibe of that album, Like I think her

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01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: record it also came out at such a great time,

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01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: like and by time, I mean like winter fall, Like

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01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 1: it's that kind of like it's like holiday adjacent, like

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01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: feeling like the piano like good, like it just feels

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01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 1: good to listen to. So I'm I'm really I'm really

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Speaker 1: really vibing on that hard lately.

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Speaker 2: I love that Two more of these Which fellow country

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01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 2: stuff would you call to help you bury a dead buddy?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Man, Uh, it's probably Craig Morgan. Craig is like

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Speaker 1: ex military. Uh. He's like one of the most wild

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Speaker 1: dudes I know. Uh, And he'd be so happy to

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Speaker 1: like help you. He's like the sweetest guy in the world.

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Speaker 1: But like if you crossed him, I would be so

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Speaker 1: afraid of like what potentially could happen. And like he's

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Speaker 1: a guy to call him like hey, man, like I

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Speaker 1: need you to come over here, and he'd be like, well, heck, buddy,

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Speaker 1: I'll be right over there, you know, and he'd get

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Speaker 1: over and just you'd be like what do we do

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Speaker 1: with that? And he's like, oh man, I've done that

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Speaker 1: tons at times, you know, I'm like, he's just like

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01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 1: he's done everything, Like he's like everything, Like he's like

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Speaker 1: the perfect like man's man guy, Like he's the sweetest

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Speaker 1: dude ever. And I thought you just wouldn't ask any question.

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, let's get it done, buddy, you know.

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Speaker 2: And he's awesome, so good, so good, all right, fast artist,

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Speaker 2: you do one next to you on a long tour bus.

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Speaker 1: Ride, Okay, probably like Jordan Davis. He has been on

1930
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Speaker 1: tour with me a couple of times, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like we're just really we have like a similar vibe,

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01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 1: Like our cruise are similar. Like his relationship with like

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Speaker 1: his team and his buddies, I feel like it's very

1934
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: similar to mine. And he's I mean, he's a family guy,

1935
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 1: like great dad. Another guy that I feel like is like that.

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Speaker 1: It's not a country artist. Ed Sheering is like that man,

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01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: Like he's me and him like kind of connected on

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01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,719
Speaker 1: that level of like we kind of have the same

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Speaker 1: outlook on life a little bit, I feel like, and

1940
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:24,759
Speaker 1: not that we're identical, obviously we're very different as artists,

1941
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 1: but like like you just pick up on that vibe

1942
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 1: of like, well, this guy's like I get that. This

1943
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 1: guy's like like me. The good Charlotte guys are like that.

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Speaker 1: Benji and Joel Madden to me are like two of

1945
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: my favorite had dinner with them last night. I have

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Speaker 1: dinner with them every time I'm in LA and they're like,

1947
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean two of the best guys like have ever met, dude, Like,

1948
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Speaker 1: and I just read like I love finding those people.

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01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: You have that kind of like just connection with that

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01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 1: kind of goes beyond like words sometimes like this like guy,

1951
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 1: this guy gets me. I get this guy. We whether

1952
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: like we're just We're just like that, We're just vibing, dude,

1953
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 1: Like we're just we're just bros. Like from the second

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01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 1: we met and Jordan was like that, Ed was like that,

1955
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 1: and Benji Joel I've been like that. Those would be

1956
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: like my picks for guys, Like if I had to

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01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 1: spend a long time with then it would just be

1958
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 1: like easy man, Like there would be no like, nothing weird,

1959
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: nothing difficult, Like they're gonna just be easy to deal with,

1960
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Speaker 1: Like those would be my guys.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a great tool bus.

1962
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Speaker 1: Yeah, be fun.

1963
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Speaker 2: Oh look, you've been so much fun man, Like I

1964
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 2: felt like I've learned about you. You've been so thoughtful, profound, hilarious.

1965
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 2: Appreciate that your good energy. That's such a good time

1966
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Speaker 2: getting to you.

1967
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

1968
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Speaker 2: We we end every interview the final five. These have

1969
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Speaker 2: to be answered in one sentence maximum. We asked these

1970
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 2: to every guest. Uh so, Luke combs. These your final five.

1971
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 2: Question one, what is the best advice you've ever heard

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01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 2: or received?

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01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Wow? What a profound question. Don't ask questions? Back to

1974
01:39:58,200 --> 01:39:59,799
Speaker 1: my dad, don't ask questions.

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01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,639
Speaker 2: Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard

1976
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 2: or received?

1977
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:05,759
Speaker 1: Don't ask questions.

1978
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 2: That's a good one. That's a good ru Yeah, Yeah,

1979
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 2: that's good. That's good. Question number three, describe what it

1980
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 2: felt like performing Fast Card with Tracy Chapman.

1981
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 1: Uh, Mount Everest like like undeniable, like just it's like

1982
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 1: almost like out of body.

1983
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. In the future, when your kids

1984
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:31,600
Speaker 2: are asked about you, how would you hope The first sentence.

1985
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 1: Goes he was the best ad nice.

1986
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 2: The fifth and final question we asked this every guest

1987
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:38,719
Speaker 2: who's ever been on the show, if you could create

1988
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 2: one law that everyone in the world had to follow.

1989
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:45,639
Speaker 1: What would it be that I hadn't considered that. I'm

1990
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 1: sure you get some funny answers. I'm sure you get

1991
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:51,600
Speaker 1: some serious answers. I would feel like it would it

1992
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 1: would be like, don't don't pee on the seat like

1993
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 1: the airport like it already so enough, dude, Like and

1994
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 1: then when I sit down and you're old piss on

1995
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 1: the toilet like it, it's just that's the end for me, Like,

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01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 1: just come on, dude, like, don't be on the seat,

1997
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: and I won't pay on the seat and we all

1998
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 1: just we're adults. It's not that hard to not bits

1999
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 1: on the seat at the airport's already gross to be

2000
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 1: in there, you know, and don't like it's like, why

2001
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 1: are we audibly farting and like in like at the

2002
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 1: urnal like in the like you don't have to, you know.

2003
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 1: It's listen, if my buddy's fart in front of me,

2004
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 1: it's funny, dude. I think it's really funny my kid's fart.

2005
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 1: It's really funny when a stranger farts next to me,

2006
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,640
Speaker 1: like just pulls the Jake brake at the urinal beside me.

2007
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy's an animal, and I respect him,

2008
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 1: but I'm also almost afraid of what he will do.

2009
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:58,720
Speaker 1: And if he's wanting to do this, he's wanting to

2010
01:41:58,720 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 1: do anything.

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Speaker 2: Now that is That's to be one of my favorite answers.

2012
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,839
Speaker 2: That is amazing, It is practical, it's important. I fully

2013
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 2: stand behind it. I fully agree. I didn't realize how

2014
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 2: bad it was and tolerable. Went to other countries totally,

2015
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,759
Speaker 2: and I was like, the bathrooms are so clean, totally.

2016
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 1: Why Why are all of our bathrooms disgusting? What does

2017
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 1: that say about us? And now I can unsee it.

2018
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,680
Speaker 1: I can unsee how clean public bathrooms are in the

2019
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 1: rest of the world, and I'm not okay with it.

2020
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 1: We got it, we gotta stop.

2021
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 2: I love it. Luke comes the way. I'm Luke.

2022
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for everything that you have coming. Thanks Jane,

2023
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 1: love get to know you.

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01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 2: You're awesome likewise, and wishing you all the best, all

2025
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 2: the success, joy, Thanks for having me. Love that You're

2026
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 2: bringing so much abundance into the world and I appreciate that. Yes,

2027
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:49,720
Speaker 2: thank you man, thank you. All Right, if this is

2028
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 2: the year that you're trying to get creative, you're trying

2029
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 2: to build more I need you to listen to this

2030
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 2: episode with Rick.

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01:42:55,840 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: Rubin, follow your own inner guide. It directs us. It

2032
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 1: might not make sense, might not make sense to us,

2033
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 1: might not make sense anyone else. Certainly won't make sense

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01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,719
Speaker 1: to anyone else. And that's okay. It's fine.