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Speaker 1: You know he's online, he's trolling sex workers. The question

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Speaker 1: is he hasn't done it, so is he in a

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Speaker 1: crazy cooling off period? As we know, it's not this crazy,

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Speaker 1: barking dog compulsion to do this. Serial Killers get married,

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Speaker 1: they find a different job.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kate Winkler Dawson and this is Tenfold More Wicked

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Speaker 2: Presents Wicked Words. You might have heard of my other

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Speaker 2: true crime podcast, Tenfold More Wicked on exactly right. Over

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Speaker 2: the past year, I've traveled around the world interviewing people

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Speaker 2: for the show, and many of those people are writers.

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Speaker 2: They've had so many great true crime stories, and now

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Speaker 2: we want to tell you those stories with details that

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Speaker 2: have never been published. New York Times bestselling author Brian

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Speaker 2: Burrow tells me about going to high school with a

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Speaker 2: serial killer. Dude, if you're lying about this, you're lying

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Speaker 2: about everything.

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Speaker 1: It was a naked plea for sympathy from these women.

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Speaker 1: He wanted their sympathy.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's manipulation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Michael Hall with Texas Monthly investigates a twist did Texas

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Speaker 2: story that sent innocent people to prison? Am I the

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Speaker 2: only one who's surprised that there's a swingers club? And

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Speaker 2: a tiny little town like Minneola.

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Speaker 3: Not only was there a swingers club in Maniola, there

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Speaker 3: were swingers clubs all over East Texas.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, who knew? Sarah Wyman writes about the true

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Speaker 2: crime story that inspired the controversial novel Lolita. What is

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Speaker 2: it that we take away from this? To me, the

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Speaker 2: bigger picture is who matters?

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Speaker 4: So with Sally Warner, it was really important for me

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Speaker 4: to figure out who she was as a person.

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Speaker 2: Pamela Coloff, with a New York Times magazine and pro

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Speaker 2: Publica follows the murder of a woman in Texas and

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Speaker 2: her husband, Joe's wrongful conviction.

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Speaker 4: This was just a very bloody, messy crime scene.

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Speaker 2: Four shots seems like a lot to me for a robber,

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Speaker 2: for a meek woman who was in bed.

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Speaker 4: One thing I've always wondered was whether Mickey heard someone

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Speaker 4: come into the house she knew Joe was out of town,

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Speaker 4: grabbed the gun. I can completely imagine her not able

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Speaker 4: to actually fire that weapon. Was it rested away from her?

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Speaker 2: And for Forensic psychologist doctor Katherine Ramslin shows me a

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Speaker 2: paper cube that BTK killer Dennis Rader made for her

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Speaker 2: in prison.

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Speaker 3: He causes cubing and on each side there is a

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Speaker 3: label like church, leader, employee, family man, serial killer. They

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Speaker 3: have no roots in any of these. They can pivot

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Speaker 3: quickly to which everyone works for them in any given situation.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kate Winkler Dawson. Join me for tenfold More Wicked

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Speaker 2: presents Wicked Words, a deep dive into the stories behind

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Speaker 2: the stories. Wicked Words is now available on exactly Right,

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