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Speaker 1: This is from old pH two, who's been a listener

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Speaker 1: m A. There's like no empirical data that it works

426
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: um and most people think it falls into the category

427
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: of like this is a useless supplement. I could tell

428
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: you from my own experience it is not a useless supplement.

429
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: And I think just talking about it now like brings

430
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: up why I'm passionate about it. I mean, for one,

431
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: I could tell you I never remembered my dreams prior

432
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: to taking the e m A. Suddenly once I started

433
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: taking the z m A after like a few times,

434
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: I was able to remember all of my dreams. And

435
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: he's very vivid dreams. So yeah, I think that might

436
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: be the next piece that I'm gonna write about um

437
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: or or if something else comes to mind. But I

438
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: love writing about fitness, you know. And I'm not like

439
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: Alex Hongs, to be honest. We're like, you know, he's

440
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: a guy who could bench some like insane amount and

441
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: it's like super strong, dude. I'm really not. I'm not

442
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: someone who's ever athletic. Fitness is something that I got

443
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: into later on in life. But I'm passionate about so

444
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: I I might write about that stuff in the future,

445
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: and I'm really um I'm actually happy that that there

446
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: are people out there who want to see more from

447
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: me in that aspect. It's not really my wheelhouse. I'm

448
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: a radio guy. I'm not a writer. Um, anyway, your

449
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: question about a story that was left out of your book. Yeah,

450
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: there are a few stories. Um. You know, the book

451
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: could have been twice the size, but I kind of

452
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: limited it to the you know, the highlights. One story

453
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: that I thought about putting in I didn't was from

454
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: Basic Training because I figured, no one wants to hear

455
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of basic training stories in this book. Um,

456
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: and everyone went the Basic training. Who gives a ship? Um.

457
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,479
Speaker 1: But I do have a really funny story from Basic Training,

458
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: which is that there's a you know, for those who

459
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: went there, they know what I'm talking about. But there's

460
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: a thing called KP where you get assigned to kitchen duty.

461
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: So you get pulled out of training and you get

462
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: put into the chowel hall and you basically fucking you know,

463
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: mop the floor and move trays around and it is

464
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: a real waste of time, but you get put on that.

465
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: And what the guys realized at some point was that

466
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: we can start smuggling food out of the out of

467
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: the back of the chow hole because you go out

468
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: of the back of the chow hole and there's like

469
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: a loading bay where trucks can pull up and all

470
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: the garbage cans go out there. So what the guys

471
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: started doing was they started raiding the desserts primarily and

472
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: uh putting them at the bottom of a trash can

473
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: and then putting a liner over it so no one

474
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: can see what's you know, cachet down at the bottom

475
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: of the trash can. And then at the end of

476
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: the day that wheel the trash cans out behind the

477
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: back of the bay where they belong. Then they'd come back,

478
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: they'd get released and sent back to you know, our

479
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: basic training company, and they would circle around back to

480
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: where the bay is, recover the food, and then come back.

481
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: So we started getting like cinnamon rolls and cakes and

482
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: uh Choco tacos, which is notorious. The Choco tacos became

483
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: a thing. You remember the the w w F pops.

484
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: I love those as a kid, those are my things.

485
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: Oh the push pops, No, they were they were um

486
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: they were almost like those chip whip chip which sandwiches,

487
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: but it had a wrestler on the ship. That was

488
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: my favorite. But anyway, I do remember Chaco Top or

489
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: Taco bell at Chaco to Chaco tacos are still around.

490
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: I bought them the other day. Actually, Um, you and

491
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: your daughter, Yeah, because I had to remind her about

492
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: the glorious Choco tacos. So we we were smuggling food out.

493
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: This went on for about a month, I think, and

494
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: the guys were all really paranoid about putting the trash

495
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: in the actual trash cans because the drill sergeants might

496
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 1: see it. So, being a bunch of geniuses, what did

497
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: we do? We started throwing all the trash in the

498
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 1: crawl space. So if you go into the you know,

499
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: the whole basic training Infantry platoon is in like just

500
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: a big open bay, and then there's some bathrooms and

501
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: then if there's like a panel and access panel in

502
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: the bathroom that leads into the crawl space. And then

503
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: one night the drill sergeant who was on staff duty

504
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: went and did an inspection of our our bay and

505
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: decided to check the crawl space and found trash like

506
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: three ft high in there. It was like, what the

507
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: fuck made us empty all the ship out of there.

508
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: Um they called the entire company, not just our platoon,

509
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: the entire company down below to where the concrete is.

510
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: Um took all the trash and just spread it all

511
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: over the place, and they smoked the ship out of

512
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: us all night, just smoked the dog shit out of us. Uh.

513
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: There were like trainees like like fucking basic trainees like

514
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: getting up in arms and like standing up and then

515
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: when we're supposed to be doing push ups, this is

516
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: fucking bullshit. Drill sergeant like pick them up and slam

517
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 1: them into the brick wall. Like it was like it

518
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: was getting juicy. It was, it was getting it was

519
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: getting spicy out there in basic training that day. Um,

520
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: and I remember they just smoked us, Like my muscles

521
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: felt like jolo By by the by the time dawn

522
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: came and then our first sergeant came in and he, uh,

523
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: he proceeded to take us out and do pt with

524
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: us all morning, had us doing log runs and all

525
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: kinds of ship I think the smoke session finally ended

526
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: by about lunchtime. Um, but we're still in trouble. And uh,

527
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: our drill sergeant came in in the morning. Drill sergeant Osby.

528
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: He says, all right, privates, he was just like big

529
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: black guy had a gold front tooth. He looks at us,

530
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: He's like, who stole the motherfucking choco tacos? No, no one,

531
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: No one was sucking laughing that day. Uh, guys, one

532
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: of the private stands up. He was the son of

533
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: a sergeant major in the range of Regiment. I won't,

534
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: I won't, I won't name names. He was a good

535
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: guy though, he's a really good guy. He just he

536
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: fessed up to it and was like, I was the

537
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: one who stole the chockout tacos. He wasn't like the

538
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: only person by any means stealing ship from the show hall,

539
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: but he stole a box of choco tacos. So he

540
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: fucking manned up to it. Um. But we're still in trouble,

541
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: and this goes on for like days, and like they're

542
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: they're like looking at us like head hunting. We're downstairs

543
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: cleaning our rifles. Are m sixteens after we came back

544
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: from the range. Now, to preface this, every basic training

545
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: platoon has one guy in it who's just like the

546
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: uber ship bag, just the biggest piece of ship you

547
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: can possibly imagine. We had ours. He Uh, he was

548
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: the kind of guy who would sham out of everything.

549
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: Whenever we ever had to do anything, he would find

550
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: a way to sham out of it. He somehow shammed

551
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: out of doing every single road march we ever did

552
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: in basic training by like going on sit call or

553
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: like hiding under his bunk, like he was just a

554
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: fucking piece of ship and everyone knew it. So we're

555
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: down there cleaning our rifles and um, one of the

556
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: guys in our platoon I know the guy. I went

557
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 1: to rip with him and then he he ended up

558
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: going to SF also. Um. He stands up as drill

559
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Sergeant Osby comes by and says, drill sergeant, can I

560
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: speak with you for a moment. There's like, alright, private,

561
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: come with me. They go around the corner. This dude, this,

562
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: this private in our platoon proceeded to blame the entire

563
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: chow theft, the heist, blamed it all on the uber

564
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: ship bag in our platoon said it was his fault

565
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: that motherfucker was stealing all the chow. He instigated it.

566
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: The drill sergeants kicked him out of the army, damn gone.

567
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: And I think it was It was really like a

568
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: wink and a nod, because like, the drill sergeants aren't

569
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: so fucking dumb they don't know what's going on here.

570
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: They had to know that the whole platoon was stealing chow.

571
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: But they were also looking for an excuse to get

572
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: rid of this guy because they knew he was a

573
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: ship bag, so they used that excuse and and yet

574
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: boom kicked right out of the army. Wow. So why

575
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: was this not included in the book? Because I just

576
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: feel like basic training stories are kind of passe, Like

577
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: we actually had like a prohibition in range of Italian,

578
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: like you're not allowed to tell basic training stories. Like

579
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: no one wants to hear that ship. Maybe I'm wrong,

580
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: maybe the public could read that and get a laugh

581
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: out of it, but I just felt like, no one

582
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: wants to read a bunch of basic training and airborne

583
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: school stories. Like if when you pick up my book,

584
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: if you do and you read it, Um, there's like

585
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: maybe seven eight nine pages about me growing up and

586
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: here in New York. Um, then there's you know, we

587
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: very quickly go through me joining the Army. Uh, there's

588
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: like a story or two about going through the Ranger

589
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: in Doctor Nation program. By page twenty, I'm in Afghanistan.

590
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: So like it moves right along. That's cool, Um, all right.

591
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: Next one is from a very long time listener. Guy

592
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: was really stuck with us. Um through a lot of

593
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: like controversies that I feel like it has always had

594
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: our back, and that's Tommy. I recently sent Tommy Flynn

595
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: out a book UH signed by Brandon because he he

596
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: wrote something into power thought. So this is a great

597
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: one act longtime listener, first time emailer, maybe funk. I

598
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: don't know at this point any who. I've become interested

599
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: in the intelligence community and was wondering, what are some

600
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: good books to read in regards to c I A,

601
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: d i A. Military intelligence and other intel related agencies

602
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: companies in regards to the global war and terror and

603
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: even the early stages of modern terrorism from the eighties

604
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: and Lebinon and will there be interviews with any people

605
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: from this field of work in the near future. Ian

606
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: Tool is going on tour soon, are you going? Thanks

607
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: for all the hard work, guys, I appreciate it, respectfully, Tommy,

608
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: Tommy Flynn. I did like to see tool. That would

609
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: be cool. I'm not I'm not like a die hard fan,

610
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: but they seem like they'd be a cool fantasy. So

611
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: that's my answer to that. Yeah, so big question. I mean,

612
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: there's a tons of tons of books out there. I'm

613
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: not sure which ones I would focus on. I mean

614
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: there are some pretty big books, like histories of the

615
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: CIA that have been written. UM. I believe one of

616
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: them was a Legacy of Ashes, which the CIA was

617
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: not too um happy with. Um. Oh, come, it's called

618
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: the Legacy of Ashes. It's basically about the C. I

619
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: a fucking up um stuff going on in Lebanon. Um.

620
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: I would go back and look at maybe some of

621
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: the old Bob Woodwards stuff. Um, Robert Bear Road with

622
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: Robert Bart you've had him on here, but he's been

623
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: on with us. Yeah, me, and you know, I've never

624
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: interviewed I'm I'm positive of it. Dude. No, we interviewed

625
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: him probably. I remember we both in the Serious studio

626
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: and it was by phone. I'm gonna look up which

627
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: episode this is while we keep talking Bob Bear. Yeah,

628
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: we have, I'll find it right now. B A I

629
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Speaker 1: E R b A E er see there you go.

630
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: Because it was with John Gillum. Yep, this was UM

631
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: episode one eighteen. I'll play back, and you were on

632
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: this one. I remember. I don't remember this at all.

633
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play some of it back. Let's go here,

634
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: send you email. Yeah. No, it was a brand that's

635
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: what a nice ye I knew, I wasn't totally out

636
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: of my reality. But that's that's Bob Bear's voice. Yeah, yeah,

637
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: so yes, he has been on. It's just it's been

638
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: a very very long time, so I forgot it was

639
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: not you, but he was on episode one eighteen. He'd

640
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: be great to get back on. Yeah, there's I mean,

641
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: this is just such a broad question. I mean, there's

642
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: there's stuff out there. I mean, and it's a very interesting,

643
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: very complicated subject. Um. You know, if the American public

644
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: really knew the full story of our involvement in Lebanon

645
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: and some of the shady characters we jumped into bed with, um,

646
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: it caused I think it would be controversial to this day. Um.

647
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: But no, I'm sorry, I don't really have any specific

648
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, book recommendations off the top of my head

649
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: on that. But look back episode one of Team I

650
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: guess if you want to hear Bob air and and

651
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: we should get him back on. That is a big guest.

652
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: By the way, since he mentioned tool it is, you know,

653
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: forever this whole thing of people anticipating their next album.

654
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know about that. They've been

655
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: saying that they're gonna put out a new album for

656
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: I believe it's like it's like literally twenty years and

657
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: like every year they're like, oh, it's coming, and it

658
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: just never comes. And you know, like I think a

659
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: perfect circle mainners other ben put out an album and

660
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: people are just waiting away and it's just been the

661
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: biggest tease. I mean, like it's kind of like guns

662
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: in Roses Chinese democracy. But I think it's going on

663
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: even longer at this point. So since you mentioned that,

664
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: I figured I would bring that up. All right, Uh,

665
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: this is from Tyler uh hay Ian and Jack thought

666
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: I would submit a question for your Q and A

667
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: Session podcast. You have had a couple of guests that

668
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: cover military fitness and they generally talk about the actual

669
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: physical training. And by the way, if you want to

670
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: listen back to those most recent is uh Doug an

671
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: do kitchen kitchen because there's a specific way to pronounce

672
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: his dame, but Air Force PJ Doug and we had

673
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: on um C J. Woodworth, whose a former marine, varied

674
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,479
Speaker 1: to the fitness side of things, so you can listen

675
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: back to those. Um. I was wondering if Jack has

676
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: any insight regarding the recovery portion of physical training people

677
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: in special forces generally go through or maybe the recommended

678
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: protocol from an expert. I would assume with the highly

679
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: physical aspect of the job, recovery has to be more

680
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: than just stretching and sleep. Too. Many people in special

681
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: forces work with physical therapists, nutritionists, et cetera to keep

682
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: their body healthy. Or is most of the recovery left

683
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: up to the individual. Thanks for any insight, Tyler. I

684
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: feel like it's kind of left up to the individual. Um.

685
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: Although you know, soft units put out these there are

686
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: these contracts that get bitted on. UM. Doug can actually

687
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: explain that better than I can how that works and

688
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: how it doesn't work. But they'll hire physical therapists and

689
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: nutritionalists and stuff like that. UM. And then and then

690
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: some of those contracts expire. Some of those programs go away.

691
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: Like there's one I think it's called the thor Thor

692
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: program or something like that, and the guys liked it

693
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: quite a bit, but then the contract expired and all

694
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: that went away. So I mean, it's always bouncing back

695
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: and forth. UM. Some units do have physical therapists. UM.

696
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: There are different things that they can do. And I'm

697
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: not like a fitness guru or a physical therapist. So

698
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm really not qualified to like even uh pontificate on

699
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: this subject. But I do know that they teach some

700
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: sort of like remedial therapy things like with those like

701
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: rollers where you can roll your back on, um, you

702
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: know about like getting in the ice bath. Uh. And

703
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: there's some other therapy technique where it's like if you

704
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: have like a not in your muscle and sticking like

705
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: a needle in it, acupuncture. No, it's not. It's not acupuncture.

706
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: It's actually putting a needle into the muscle to break

707
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: up that that. Um not. I mean that's kind of

708
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: what acupuncture is though. No. No, acupuncture is like you're

709
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: hitting the the fucking chakras or whatever it is. Yeah,

710
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: but you are putting needles in. Yes, but the needle

711
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: is not supposed to actually have an effect on the

712
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: muscle or anything like that. That's not the point I

713
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: think it depends, to be honest, because I have done acupuncture,

714
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I know some people you know, I

715
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: think it's pseudo science. Some people don't. But I mean,

716
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're describing sounds like acupuncture. No,

717
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: it's like whether it like like a stitch, like a

718
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: stitching machine, kind of like going into the muscle around

719
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: the pension. Um. But again I'm not an expert on

720
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: any of that. I mean i'd say, you know, yes,

721
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: you need rest, and you need your rest more as

722
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: you get older. You know, get a good eight hours

723
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: of sleep. You want to eat a good meal after

724
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: you exercise. I don't think that special operations itself necessarily,

725
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: at least back in my day, didn't necessarily do or

726
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: even care about the rest portion. It was just go,

727
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: go go. All that stuff is important, I know. I think, um,

728
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: yoga and it's spoken of before. I think helps a

729
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: lot of people. Massage UM, like deep tissue massage. It's

730
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: really good for you. Yeah, for sure. UM. And I've

731
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: heard Brandon speak about this before and I do agree

732
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: with it. Um. He's talked about how, you know, guys

733
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: talk about you know, waking up very early and stuff,

734
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: and Brandon has had the opposite philosophy where he and

735
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: he talked about this from his military days, that sleep

736
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: as a weapon, and you know, having a good amount

737
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: of sleep is important. It really. I mean, I would say,

738
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: you're more just in anything in life, You're gonna be

739
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: a better asset if you have a good night's sleep,

740
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: then if you're I mean that there's a reason sleep

741
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: deprivation is used to kind of funk with your mind. Yeah,

742
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like this whole like General mc

743
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: crystal thing or no, it's it's Admiral mcbraven like up early,

744
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: make your bed like okay, dude, Thanks, Um, thanks for

745
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: the tips. All right. This one is from I believe

746
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: it's pronounced Orge, but I always say that it could

747
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: be George because my friend Um, the lead singer of

748
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: former band Doomsday Morning, who I love ridiculously heavy Queens

749
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: New York band, smells at j R J O R

750
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: G E and he pronounces it George, So could be Jorge.

751
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: Could be George. Uh and he's written us before, so

752
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: Jorge torres Hey soft Rep been loving the show lately.

753
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: My question is for Jack, what is your opinion on

754
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: the seventy five Ranger Regiments new Military Intelligence Battalion. I

755
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: think it makes a lot of sense to have it.

756
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: When I got to range your battalion in two thousand three,

757
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: it was really just you had your you know, three

758
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: rifle companies, and you had a headquarters company where you

759
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: could find you know, some staff guys who could find

760
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: the sniper section, the mortar section, and then of course

761
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: there's your normal like battalion staff. We didn't have any

762
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: support structure like we we did everything so like rangers

763
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: would set up there, all their stuff at the range.

764
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: Rangers drove the bus to drive us out to the range.

765
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever had to be done, rangers did it. UM.

766
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: As the war kicked off and we had to get

767
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: more and more into modern special operations, modern counter terrorism,

768
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: rangers would start getting tasked to do things like technical

769
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: surveillance UM, stuff that we would not have done before.

770
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: So it's very interesting to see how all of that

771
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: kind of rapidly expanded, and by necessity, the range of

772
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: regiments started creating support structures UM sort of like the

773
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: way special Forces groups or Jaysack units have their support structures, uh,

774
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, support battalions and so on. And these units

775
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: are also being expected, like the range of regiment, to

776
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: gather their own intelligence. So we had a UM A

777
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: reconnaissance element called r r D, and then we stood

778
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: up UM battalion level reconnaissance attachments also, who could do

779
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, recon or scouting, you know, like you're going

780
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: ahead of friendly lines to see what enemy positions are. UM.

781
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: Became these sort of like long long inconnaissance missions. But

782
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: what about the gathering of intelligence, be it technical intelligence,

783
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: human intelligence, whatever, whatever it is that that unit needs

784
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: to perform its mission. UM. So I think it makes

785
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: sense to create those structures in house, UM, rather than

786
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: maybe rely on conventional army military intelligence unit that's going

787
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: to be stationed in some far away base and a

788
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: bunch of people you know, you know nothing about and

789
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: they don't know anything about you or your mission. Uh,

790
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: it makes sense to create those kinds of support, you know,

791
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: infrastructures inside the unit itself. So I think it's probably

792
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: a positive development. All right, Well, thanks for that email.

793
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: Thanks for all these emails. UM. This one's from an

794
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: anonymous listener. Question for Jack did you did you experience

795
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: any of the Iraqi energy sector while deployed in two

796
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: thousand nine? Did you have knowledge of the energy broader

797
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: economic policies within the region at the time. Uh? If so,

798
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: what were your experiences? Also? Did you experience any other

799
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: interesting me your economic development programs while in Iraq or Syria?

800
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: I asked these questions as a part of a university

801
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: research project on insurgencies and economics. I appreciate any and

802
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: all insight, guys. Thanks, uh, No, I didn't and I

803
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: may be ignorant to some of the things that were happening,

804
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, in the area of operations I was in,

805
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: but I think the United States really dropped the ball

806
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: when it came to economic projects and economic development and Iraq. Um.

807
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: You know, if we were going to go into Iraq,

808
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: invade that country and try to create some sort of

809
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: democracy there, I mean, we should have had like a

810
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: whole martial plan in place to like go in there

811
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: and start developing their infrastructure, developing their economy, building up

812
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: the institutions of government. And that would have been a

813
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: long term project. But look, if this is what you

814
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: want to do, you gotta do it right otherwise you

815
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: do it half asked. And we all saw what happened there. Um.

816
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: So I did not have really too much exposure to

817
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: any kind of like oil infrastructure. UM. I know they

818
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: were building like some underground oil pipelines or they were

819
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: there were things that were in the process of being built,

820
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: but I didn't really have any involvement in that. When

821
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: I was in Syria in two fourteen. It was very

822
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: interesting to see Um. There was oil infrastructure there. There

823
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: was The first place I stayed in Syria was actually

824
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: an abandoned UH Chinese owned oil company building. It was

825
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: actually on top of a hill at this point of

826
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: the base. The Curds called that base uh Karacco, I believe, um,

827
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: but it was a Chinese oil company that had owned

828
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: it previously. And if you travel around northern Syria that

829
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: there were the area the Curds called Rejava, there's these

830
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: like pump jacks all over the place. Um. You know,

831
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: oil just kind of like bubbles up out of out

832
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: of the ground in some places over there. And then

833
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: I also saw the rail lines over there in Rejava,

834
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: which is interesting because those rail lines were part of

835
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: like a British colonial uh uh project and then it

836
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: became an Iraqi project to build a rail line from

837
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: the port of Bostra down in the Persian Gulf all

838
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: the way through Iraq up into Syria and UH. And

839
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: I believe those rail lines were supposed to go although

840
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: clear into Europe. UM or was it was it British

841
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: or was it a was a German? It might have

842
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: been the Germans that initially built that rail line. But

843
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: I wrote an article about this very subject. If you

844
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: go and um and you look up on news rep

845
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: there's an article I wrote called Riding the Iraqi Railroad.

846
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: And I spoke with an American military officer who this

847
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: is one economic and you know, uh, infrastructure development project

848
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: that the Army did work on, but not where I was.

849
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:56,479
Speaker 1: This was further down south where um u s Army

850
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: Railroads came in and started trying to get the Iraqi

851
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: rail up on its feet, and they did some pretty

852
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: phenomenal things to get it up and running again. And UM,

853
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: it's a shame that more wasn't done. All right, Well

854
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: that answers that as as far as at least your experience. Um.

855
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: This one is from NED. How do Q? And a

856
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: question the quote industry in the last fifteen years has

857
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: exploded in response to ongoing conflicts, gear companies, weapon manufacturers,

858
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: related tactical supplies. Since the number of soldiers seeing deployments

859
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: is dwindling, how is the industry reacting what we see

860
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: a fall and consolidation. Yeah, it's a good question. Um,

861
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: I guess it depends what you mean by tactical companies. Yeah,

862
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: because I feel like there's no shortage of like the

863
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: air soft type of guys who are into that same

864
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: type of thing. But but that's not like the defense industry. Yeah,

865
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, when the War on Terror kicked off,

866
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: there's like a plethora of companies just creating like tactical

867
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: pests and molly gear and new kinds of slings, and

868
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, you go to the shot show and every

869
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: year it's like a new kind of sling, a new

870
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: kind of widget you can stick on the side of

871
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: your gun. And only a small percentage of those guys

872
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: are active duty or special operations. A lot of them

873
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: are just gun enthusiasts or or air soft people, honestly,

874
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: And maybe that's where as the actual combat deployments dwindle.

875
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: Maybe that's where that industry is heading. It's more into

876
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: air soft and more to gun enthusiasts who want quote

877
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: unquote tactical gear. Um, dude, I can tell you this.

878
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: Ever since the idea of a bump stock band, I'm

879
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: on the because we're going to shot show, I'm I'm

880
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: on so many lists of gun manufacturers, and every day

881
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: it's like, get your bump stock before these are banned.

882
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a big marketing UM tactic. Yeah,

883
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: when you register for the Shot Show, f y I

884
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: they sent you fucking tons of They sell your email

885
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: address to everyone, and you just get shiploads of emails

886
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: from every manufacturer under the sun. UM. But it certainly

887
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: hasn't the whole idea of a bump stock band. It

888
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: hasn't done anything but helped sell I mean, Obama was

889
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: the best thing to happen for you know, gun enthusiasts

890
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: and for for weapons manufacturers. Obama was awesome. He did

891
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: so much for them. He should they They're like n

892
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: Ray should give him an award. I remember when I

893
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: was at the Shot Show one year and I was

894
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: talking to different manufacturers and like big name gun companies

895
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: and they were all back ordered by like six months

896
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: or more. UM. I was sitting down having lunch with

897
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: a UM, a sales rep for UH company that makes

898
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: rifle scopes, one of the major companies, and he was like,

899
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: we're back ordered like twenty five months. He's like, people

900
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: are just panic buying everything. So, I mean, Obama was

901
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: fucking awesome for the gun industry. And I think in

902
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: New York, UM, where I live on Long Island, because

903
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: at least you could still own some things on Long

904
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: Island and upstate New York. Um. Once Cuomo passed that

905
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: a R fifteen thing, people were, you know, going out

906
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: of their mind to buy any ran but which apparently

907
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: you might know this better than me, you still can,

908
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: but it's modified, I believe. I'm not sure what the

909
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: current laws are in in New York State, but I

910
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: think didn't they pass some sort of magazine band high

911
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: capacity magazines. That's what I think it is. But and

912
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: I think you could still own an R fifteen. It's

913
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: slightly different. I'm not a gun enthusiast. I don't know enough,

914
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: but I just know that after Sandy Hook, we changed

915
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: the gun laws and people were panicked buying everything. Yeah, So,

916
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think the I mean, guns aren't

917
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: going away. Tactical, the tactical industry, it's not going away.

918
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: And when you go to shot show you can see it.

919
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: I mean, just the unending appetite for that's that kind

920
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: of stuff, the firearms and all the associated gear. It's overwhelming.

921
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's overwhelming and it's bottomless. It's seeing Yeah. Alright, Um.

922
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: This one is from marcario Hey in What's up. My

923
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: name is Marcario. I'm twenty four years old and I've

924
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: been listening to the show about two years now. I've

925
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: been always really interested in enlisting in the military. I've

926
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: been denied by every branch multiple times, and I'm now

927
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: currently trying to get a suitability review for moral waivers

928
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: for a couple of misdemeanors I've committed when aged out

929
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: of the systems and turned eighteen. Over the years, I've

930
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: become a wild land firefighter in southern California, but I

931
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: know I can do more. Uh Ian was wondering if

932
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: you or Jack know anything about the Navajo code talkers

933
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: that fought in the Pacific. My great grandfather and his

934
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: younger brother were both sent to the Pacific as Navajo

935
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: code talkers and have received silver and gold medals. My

936
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: grandfather's brother was wounded by on Iwajima and with the

937
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: same platoon that rose the flag on the Sarabacchi. He's

938
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: in one of the famous photos. So so that family

939
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: history is some thing that always motivated me to serve. Shoot.

940
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: I even consider the French foreign legion, but you guys

941
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: have a good one. I mean, I'm I'm familiar with

942
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: you know what the Navajo code talkers were. I mean

943
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: they were you know, deployed to the Pacific because the

944
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: Japanese could not understand their language, so it was useful

945
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: for you know, essentially talking and cipher. Um. But I'm

946
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: not like, uh, well read on the subject. So yeah.

947
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: And and also him being denied multiple times by every

948
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: branch that isn't very hopeful. Yeah, I mean I don't

949
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: know what to do with that. I mean, maybe contact

950
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: an attorney and see if somebody who specializes in that

951
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: kind of thing you can walk you through it. Um.

952
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: I mean that does kind of suck though. If you

953
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: did some you know, misdemeanors in your past and and

954
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: you've changed, people are entitled to you know, second chance. Yeah,

955
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: I think so. Um, all right, this is from this

956
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: is actually from us Chris or a K. C. J.

957
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: Ramone who's gonna be on very soon. He sent a

958
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: couple of questions, it's so cool to me and then never, um,

959
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: you know, it fails to you know, just be pretty

960
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: awesome me that a former member or really one of

961
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: the you know, last members of their moans before they

962
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: retired as a listener of the show. Uh, and a

963
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: marine and yeah, overall, great guy, I'm excited having back on.

964
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: It's been a long time. So anyway, he writes, this

965
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: won't be a popular one, but I'm not sure I've

966
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: ever heard it asked, is it possible we are backing

967
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: the wrong horse in the Middle East? Iran is by

968
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 1: far the more modern country in that part of the world.

969
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: Post nine eleven, there were demonstrations in the streets there

970
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: in support of America, whereas the terrorists who pulled off

971
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: nine eleven came from Saudi Arabia. I am not forgetting

972
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: about the hostage situation in the seventies. I'm old enough

973
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: to remember it. But many countries have committed such acts

974
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: against us in the past. We are now friends with them,

975
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: Uh that we were now friends with. If we're trying

976
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: to make nice with North Korea because they are nuclear

977
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: and for no other reason, why not try with Iran? Well, yeah,

978
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: that's a very i think, astute question, and one that

979
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: is not asked nearly enough. Um Iran is treated as

980
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: a special case. Right, Something's got to be done about Iran.

981
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: People freak out at the notion that we might negotiate

982
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: with Iran. You can't negotiate with Iran? Why not, Like

983
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: Ron Paul said, you know, one of the more coaching

984
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: things he said during the presidential debate, He's like, we

985
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: negotiated with the Soviet Union, Like why would we not

986
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: negotiate with Iran? Like it doesn't make sense. And there's

987
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: a lot of boogeyman type stuff they always mentioned, including

988
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: like Akmadinijad's his his uh stuff that he said about

989
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: gay people and denial of the Holocaust. But he's not

990
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: running the country. And the whole thing that Iran is

991
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: not a rational actor, that's nonsense. They're they're a rational state. Um,

992
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: you don't get to where they are, and you don't

993
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: you know, you sure ship don't develop nuclear weapons, which

994
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: is uh, which they haven't, but they've been attempting to

995
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: until they stopped after the agreement. Um, you don't. You

996
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: don't embark on scientific endeavors like that as an irrational

997
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, Islamic fundamentalist That doesn't really work. Like imagine

998
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: Ice is trying to build a nuclear bomb from scratch,

999
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: Like do you see that happening? You know, not really?

1000
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, you're right, it's a boogeyman um when

1001
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: they're and not always, but in some ways, Iran could

1002
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: be a natural ally of the United States, and I

1003
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: think it would take work to get there. I think

1004
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: that there would have to be some change in the

1005
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: Iranian government for sure. UM. And I've actually lost a

1006
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: few friends for saying that alienated some people. UM. You

1007
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: can even look at statements made by uh, you know,

1008
00:55:55,560 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: the former director of Massad, the gon uh. He he

1009
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: said himself, Yeah, Iran is is a rational actor. They're

1010
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: a rational state. They're following their own self interests. Um.

1011
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean from an Israeli perspective,

1012
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: it's it's more challenging because developed weapons they'll be used

1013
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: on that. Well, there's that, yes, um. But it's also

1014
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: Iran has spent decades and decades demonizing Israel, and that

1015
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: has been the government source of legitimacy. Is anytime things

1016
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: get rough for the for Iran, blame Israel, blame America. UM.

1017
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: So I don't think the government, the current government of

1018
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 1: Iran could ever reconcile with Israel. I don't think it's

1019
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that's possible unless something's drastically change or

1020
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: to be to be fair, actually, the current government of Israel,

1021
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: the current Government of Israel, UH in particular net and Yeah,

1022
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: who's very hardline right when and he is basically torpedoed

1023
00:56:53,880 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: any chance at the two states solution makes things more difficult. Um. Now,

1024
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: the other thing that I think uh c J was

1025
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: bringing up um in passing is well, we're negotiating with

1026
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: North Korea. Right, that's a good point. Now here's a

1027
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: larger point I believe is we are trying to counter

1028
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: right now the countries that are adversarial towards the United States,

1029
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: the big ones UH. First, China, huge, huge existential threat

1030
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: to the United States. Somewhere after that Russia. Okay, Russia's

1031
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: a fucking problem. Um, they're not going to become the

1032
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: Soviet Union again, They're not that big a problem, but

1033
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: still a problem. After somewhere after Russia, we got Iran,

1034
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: a regional power in the Middle East and a thorn

1035
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: in our side. In the Pacific, we got North Korea,

1036
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: another thorn in our side and and not a problem

1037
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: to be underestimated. And then somewhere after that we have

1038
00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: international terrorism. So the problem here is we can't fight

1039
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: all of these threats at the same time. What we

1040
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: have to do is balance some of them. Against the others.

1041
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: So we have to find diplomatic or economic solutions to

1042
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: resolve some of these problems. Ally with some of these countries,

1043
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: maybe not like allies, like we're allied with the Brits. Okay,

1044
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: we're not going to be that close, but we're gonna

1045
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: ally on some issues to counter some of the bigger threats.

1046
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: In other words, cooperate with Russia on some issues to

1047
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: counter China. Uh, maybe we're gonna work with Iran to

1048
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: counter Russia. Maybe we're gonna work with Russia to counter

1049
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: North Korea. I don't know how those how that would

1050
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: all shake out. That's all very complicated and strategic in UM.

1051
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: The devil is very much in the details and how

1052
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: those arrangements come about. But I mean, you can even

1053
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: see UM in situations with countries like Turkey where we

1054
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: are allied on some issues, working together on something, but

1055
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: we're also trying to undermine each other on other issues.

1056
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: And those sorts of weird relationships are pretty common in

1057
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: international politics and could be and are common in dealing

1058
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: with great powers as well. So I think trying to

1059
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,479
Speaker 1: fight all of these mul dunes at the same time,

1060
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna work. So we have to find

1061
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: ways to ally with them on some issues to counter

1062
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: other players on other issues. It seems like between the

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00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: Obama um deal with the UH, the the Obama deal

1064
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: with they were on the nuclear deal and Trump repeatedly

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00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: meeting with Kim Jong un, and let's be honest, praising

1066
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: Kim Jong un. It's a pretty big departure from the bushyears.

1067
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: If we don't negotiate with terrorists like period, end of story. Yeah. Yeah,

1068
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: And that's what I was explaining the other day. I mean,

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00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: any of our presidents could have met with the Kim

1070
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: family regime, but chose not to because we didn't want

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00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: to give them legitimacy. UM. Trump is a different guy.

1072
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: He's looking for um to put a feather in his hat.

1073
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: He's looking to do things that other presidents weren't willing

1074
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: to do to see if he can um create a

1075
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: legacy for himself. UM. And so whether whether that was

1076
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: right or not for him to meet with Kim Jong

1077
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: on um is debatable. I do think President Trump made

1078
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: the right decisions and walking away in Hanoi, um because

1079
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 1: Kim was just gonna jerk him around the I will

1080
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: say what he's made the wrong decision on objectively, is

1081
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: just his rhetoric about Kim Jong un, especially saying that

1082
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: he believes Kim Jong un when he says, um otto

1083
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: warm beer, Uh, you know what went down and the

1084
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: way he was tortured and the way he came back.

1085
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: He's like he didn't have any knowledge of it, and

1086
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: I believe him. I take his word. That's pretty crazy.

1087
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: It's pretty ridiculous. And Korea is not gonna you know,

1088
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: North Korea is not gonna de nuclear rise, Like it's

1089
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Um. And I think maybe that's what

1090
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: Trump came to realize in Hanoi. Yeah. But and it's

1091
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: just also when he says my dear friend Kim jong un,

1092
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: it's just it's a very big departure. It's weird. Yeah,

1093
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: it's weird. Um. This is from Rob Michigan Jack. It's

1094
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: been rumored for a while that the US has toyed

1095
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: with the idea of coming to some form of ceasefire

1096
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: with the Taliban, including having already sent a peace envoy

1097
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: to meet with the Taliban leadership. What would such a

1098
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: ceasefire look like in your opinion, How do you believe

1099
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: such an agreement would be viewed politically and strategically. Yeah,

1100
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: another huge topic. UM. This is definitely something that we're

1101
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: trying to negotiate right now. UM goes back to what

1102
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: I said before. Trump is looking to put a feather

1103
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: in his hat um for re election in UM. And

1104
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: so you know, he was gonna pull the troops out

1105
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: of Syria, then we're gonna pull the troops out of

1106
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: South Korea. Then we're gonna or then we're gonna pull

1107
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: the troops out of Afghanistan. You can see he's like

1108
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of feeling things out in different directions to see

1109
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: what's possible, what he may be able to do UM

1110
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: relatively quickly. UM and a ceasefire or some sort of

1111
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: negotiated settlement with the Taliban. I don't think anyone really

1112
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: knows how that's gonna shake out yet. UM. I think

1113
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: probably the intent of the idea behind it is that

1114
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: we de escalate the conflict with the Taliban and the

1115
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: quote unquote legitimate government of Afghanistan enters into some sort

1116
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: of power sharing agreement with the Taliban. You know what,

1117
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: and what does that look like? Maybe it's the Taliban

1118
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: has X number of seats in the government. I mean,

1119
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, and nobody knows that yet. Um. But

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Speaker 1: I think it would probably involve some form of power sharing. Um.

1121
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: But again, the devil is in the details, and who

1122
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: knows how that's gonna work out. I mean, it's not

1123
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: going to be viewed favorably by the US military for sure, um,

1124
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: because we've spent so long fighting those guys. Uh, and

1125
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: those kind of compromises are just hard pills to swallow.

1126
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: The Taliban they are they are from what I've been told.

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01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they're pretty exhausted and tired, like they're ready

1128
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: for this to end. Um. But they're also on a

1129
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: push to get the best deal that they can right

1130
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: before we leave. So I think a lot of it

1131
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: remains to be seen. All right. Well, this is from

1132
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: EDWARDO heard the oblique reference to this on the recent episode.

1133
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: To bring it down to two questions. As a regular

1134
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: commuter on mass transit, what steps can I take to

1135
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: improve my survivability during a worst case scenario? And are

1136
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: there any companies selling ballistic inserts or shields that I

1137
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: can purchase for a messenger bag or backpack? Thanks and

1138
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: keep up the good work. I'm gonna answer question to

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Speaker 1: first Great Club dot us. Go to the store and

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Speaker 1: on there if you go to the store tab on

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Speaker 1: Create Club dot Us. So that's your best bet. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and it's really awesome. It's lightweight. Uh. That's probably one

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Speaker 1: of our best products ever with Great Clubs. So you

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Speaker 1: don't even have to subscribe. You can get it right

1147
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Speaker 1: through there. Question one. You know, it's funny. We've addressed

1148
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: this a bunch of times on the podcast with um

1149
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: with sorry, I'm looking right in front of me Quinn

1150
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: Emerson looking at there's drawing a blank here at hundred

1151
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: Deadly Skills poster. But I don't know if you have

1152
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: any further stuff you can get into with that, with

1153
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: how to keep yourself safe and well yeah, I mean

1154
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: just to keep it down to earth. I mean, I

1155
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna bust out like some Kung Fus

1156
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: stars and kill a suicide bomber. But um, I would

1157
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: I would look at taking a class in basic first

1158
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: aid and some basic like trauma medicine, UM, how to

1159
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: use a tourniquet, how to use bandages, UM, things like that,

1160
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: and carry a bleeder kit with you that has a tourniquet,

1161
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: the bandages, um, just that basic stuff that can save

1162
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: your life for save someone else's life and an emergency

1163
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: like that. When Quinn's been on the podcast, he's he's

1164
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: said a bunch of things about situational awareness, like, you know,

1165
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: when when you get somewhere, just in any scenario, look

1166
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: at where the nearest exits are, you know, stuff like that,

1167
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: and also look for, um, something that will stop a

1168
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: bowl at a brick wall, things like that. Just just

1169
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: be situationally aware of where these things are in case

1170
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: something we're to ever happen. Yeah, I think, uh no,

1171
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: that's true. Um. Something interesting thing that Pet McNamara said too,

1172
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: is like being being aware of situationally aware. When you

1173
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: look at somebody, what you're doing is depriving them of

1174
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: their greatest weapon immediately, which is surprised, right. So you

1175
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: see them and you're able to you know, size them

1176
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: up and what they're doing or what they're not doing.

1177
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, I I have mixed

1178
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: feelings about it. I think, you know, all this stuff

1179
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: is really good, but at the same time, it does

1180
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: reach a point where I think we're like we're fantasizing

1181
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: about being like a Hollywood film, Like like I'm gonna

1182
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: fucking I know a lot of people like that. Yeah,

1183
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I'm gonna, you know, draw my concealed carry

1184
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: nineteen eleven and shoot all bar in the head with

1185
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: a controlled pair, you know, and all this kind of ship.

1186
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's funny. I remember when I

1187
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: worked at Tower Records. Um, there was this kid who

1188
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: worked with me, Tom, who later actually became a police officer.

1189
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: And a guy came in who was armed, uh and

1190
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: was gonna rob Tower Records. And my friend Tom, Yeah,

1191
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: my friend Tom brought him to the basement, brought him

1192
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: the safe, gave him what he wanted, and that was it.

1193
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: Like I said, Tom later became a cop. And I

1194
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: remember this other kid who worked at Tower Records set

1195
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: to him. He was like, man, it's you know, it's

1196
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: too bad whatever that I wasn't the guy on duty

1197
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: that night. He goes. Because my instinct is if someone

1198
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: points a gun to me, to just grab it from them.

1199
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: It's like all right, okay, bro, yeah, I mean, and

1200
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: it's like all for what to save the money from

1201
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: the Tower Records for what I mean, the money is

1202
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: probably ensured, right, I don't remember to assume. So yeah,

1203
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: there's no reason why you know, that guy should have

1204
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: died over over however much money was down there? I

1205
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: mean whatever? But or what about what about this quote

1206
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: on our mass pad, this famous General Madnis quote? Be polite,

1207
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet. Man,

1208
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: it's like the memes, and that's why I bought this.

1209
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: I I like it. I like it too, I mean,

1210
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: especially for a professional soldier. I think it's important. But

1211
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: I mean the memes, man, the memes are killing me. Yea,

1212
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: I drank coffee stronger than you're feeling, Snowflake. Oh my god,

1213
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: Like how much jerking off while looking in the mirror

1214
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: can we possibly do? Like? Come on, guys, all right?

1215
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: This one is from Stanton Sharp. Hello, I love your show.

1216
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: Please do an episode in Venezuela. Okay, I'll have to

1217
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: find somebody who knows Venezuela. Um, there's like a lot

1218
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: of fucking I feel like misinformation and disinformation about Venezuela.

1219
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: But maybe we can find somebody who actually specializes in

1220
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,959
Speaker 1: that area and could speak to it. Yeah, well, we'll

1221
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: reach out if we do. Um. This one's from Thomas R. Hey, guys,

1222
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: love the show. Been listening since Ian's first show, Thank

1223
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: you man. I feel like my first show I got

1224
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: flamed man because they hated you, Ian Grot. I was

1225
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: just thrown to the wolves. Though it wasn't like there

1226
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: was any you know, um like procedure of here's what

1227
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 1: you do. It was just Brandon was like, cool, you're

1228
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: you're on board, like to figure this out, and I

1229
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: was like, fuck, you know, I don't even know that

1230
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: much about this topic. So uh, you know, because I'm

1231
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm not like I became friends with you guys, but

1232
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm not someone who is I never pretend to be

1233
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: like extremely knowledgeable about special operations so the military so

1234
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: very early and you just need that should be on

1235
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: your resume a bullet point extremely knowledgeable about special operations.

1236
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: So so early on, I got a bunch of the

1237
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: terminology and stuff like that wrong, and they were like,

1238
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: who is this guy? But I think I got They're

1239
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: called the unit. I think I got the hang of things,

1240
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: uh you know, after a while. But those early episodes

1241
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: were rough. I'll admit um alright. So he also writes,

1242
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: my question is for Jack, What in the hell is

1243
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: going on between Pakistan and India? Why is no one

1244
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: covering it either just because this goes on every ten

1245
01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 1: years or so, Uh, Thomas are yeah, okay. So another

1246
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 1: very complicated topic involves the disputed region of Kashmir or

1247
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: Jammu and Kashmir, which, as I recall, all, the traces

1248
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 1: back to the partitioning of British India and I believe

1249
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: it was and the King of Kashmir uh declared himself

1250
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: to be part of India. And this caused a huge

1251
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: pissing contest with Pakistan because it was the this was

1252
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: before Bangladesh separated off from Pakistan. It was basically, you know,

1253
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: the British envisioned it as like Muslim India, right, So

1254
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: now it's a big pissing contest over this territory. And

1255
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: then by the nineteen fifties you get into the Sino

1256
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: Indian War um and the Chinese claims some territory, which

1257
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: some of it they still have, as I recall um.

1258
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: So then you have the U n coming in and

1259
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: establishing the line of control the l OC in Kashmir

1260
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 1: to try to separate India and Pakistan from going at

1261
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:10,839
Speaker 1: it like a bunch of like a couple of junkyard dogs. UM. Now,

1262
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: India and Pakistan have long, long been in the game

1263
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: of sponsoring proxies to go and kill each other. So

1264
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: they'll they'll sponsor these like proxy terrorist forces to go

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Speaker 1: and terrorize each other. And uh, this has been going

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01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: on for a long time and it's very interesting. UM.

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Speaker 1: If you read the books UM written by retired UM,

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01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: retired Indian intelligence professionals. They a lot of them writing

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01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: in English, UH, and so you can go and read

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01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: their books and they're very fascinating to read. And just

1271
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: the like cat and mouse games that these intelligence services UM.

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01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: The the the Indian services are called r A W

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01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: and IB UM the Intelligence Bureau and the Research and

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01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: Analysis Wing UM. And then of course the Pakistani's have

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01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: UM I S I and these guys just go at it,

1276
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: like I said, like junkyard dogs. Like it's crazy. UM.

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01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: And they're very good at waging proxy warfare against one another.

1278
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: And this Uh. In you had the Cargil conflict, right,

1279
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: There have been a number of conflicts over Kashmir and

1280
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: ongoing conflicts. It never really ends. But Cargill popped off

1281
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: and it was a high altitude battle up in the mountains. Um.

1282
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: There are Indian mountaineers that did like rope installations and

1283
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: they had soldiers like scaling up cliffs and stuff um

1284
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: to to maneuver do these bold maneuvers on Pakistani military positions. UM,

1285
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: it's very it's a really interesting conflict to study. And

1286
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: like two thirds of the force got they went hypoxic,

1287
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,560
Speaker 1: they had altitude sickness. Like it's just a fascinating case study.

1288
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: Also because these are two nuclear powers entering into a

1289
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: straight up shooting war with one another, and this has

1290
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: never happened before, and no one knows what what's the

1291
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: what is this going to lead to? Like is it

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01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: possible for two nuclear powers to be at war with

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01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 1: each other without going nuclear, without launching nuclear weapons? And

1294
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: in this case it was the latest spat um involves

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01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: one of the um uh j e m was the

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01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: name of the group, and they did a suicide attack

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01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: in Kashmir and killed a bunch of like Indian soldiers. UM,

1298
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: so the Indians retaliated, didn't airstrike inside Pakistan against this group.

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01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: The Pakistani's retaliated UM and they blew up something um

1300
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: an installation on the Indian side. Of the border. Uh.

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01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: Then the Indians fum, they had a pilot get shot

1302
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 1: down over Pakistani air base. The pilot, I guess he

1303
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: ejected and the Pakistani's captured him and I think they

1304
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: have since released him back to Indian custody. But so

1305
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: this is the latest tip for tat between India and Pakistan. UM.

1306
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: And it's just one of these, one of these you know,

1307
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: frozen conflicts around the world that doesn't seem to end

1308
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: and it and it is taking place just below the

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01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: nuclear threshold, and I think probably I don't think anyone

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01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,839
Speaker 1: wants to see it go nuclear. Both sides are probably

1311
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: like carefully trying to calibrate their responses so that you know,

1312
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: we don't look like a bunch of pussies, like we'll retaliate,

1313
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: like if you want to fight us, we'll fight you.

1314
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: But they also don't want it to go above the

1315
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: nuclear threshold where someone's pressing the big red button. And

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01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: the current President of of India, Moodi, has this um stronger,

1317
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: more robut you know, muscular foreign policy. UM. He's more

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01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: of a sort of Indian nationalist and he definitely doesn't

1319
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: want to come across this looking weak. So in a nutshell.

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01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,919
Speaker 1: That's what's happening there, um and where it goes? Uh,

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01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: who knows. It's it's not gonna end anytime soon though, Yeah,

1322
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: we'll see it's it's an ongoing thing and it sounds

1323
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: like people like to see more articles on that. Possibly, um,

1324
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: maybe someone in the future could write something about Uh.

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: This one is from Tyler Browning, good Evening, Ian and Jack,

1326
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, is the University of Kentucky. So

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01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's cool. We have just an audience from

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01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: all over the place. I'm really excited for the upcoming

1329
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: Q and A episode. Some of my favorite content from

1330
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: you guys is your impromptu conversations. Yeah, this is very

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01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: much that type of episode. Also, I really enjoyed the

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01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: recent episode with Andrew Polski. I hope you all do

1333
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: more like that in the future. That was a good one.

1334
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 1: Reading Jack's recent article on nitro zeus made me realize

1335
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,959
Speaker 1: the current coin asymmetrical warfare mission is only one aspect

1336
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: of the soft community, and that if we ever enter

1337
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: into open conflict with a near peer adversary, that there's

1338
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: a million different ways soft units could be utilized. I

1339
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: was wondering if Jack could Uh, explore what roles soft

1340
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: would play in a campaign against a peer like Russia

1341
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: or Iran or even China. I really enjoyed the article

1342
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: because it dove into the strategic level of soft. It's

1343
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: not always going to be a Rainbow six style d

1344
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: A mission. Thanks guys, keep up the great work. Yeah,

1345
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: so another big question. But I think what what he

1346
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: hits at here is interesting is that when we stood

1347
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: up these units. UM. You know, when when Delta was

1348
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:16,759
Speaker 1: stood up nineteen seventy seven, Backwidth started standing up the unit.

1349
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: It was it was fine. They went through their final validation,

1350
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: and I believe it was in nineteen eighty. It was

1351
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: just as the Iran hostage crisis was popping off. UM.

1352
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: Terrorism was an escalating threat in in nineteen seventies. The

1353
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: Pentagon was getting increasingly concerned with it. There are a

1354
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: number of things that happened, UM, that came on our

1355
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: radar that we were like, holy shit, UM, the holy

1356
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 1: ship moments were UM when G S G nine UM

1357
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 1: rated that UM jet liner down in Mangadishu. UM. I

1358
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: think were they were they Palestinian nationalists or were they

1359
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: Red Army faction that did that? I can't remember off hand,

1360
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: but g s G nine went down there and they

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01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: successfully did an aircraft takedown. UM. Then you had the

1362
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: Israelis did the raid on Intebe and in Uganda, which

1363
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 1: is UM led by Yanni net and Yahoo, who was

1364
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 1: BB's brother. You know, Yanni was a legitimate Israeli hero

1365
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: UM for what he did and that is just an

1366
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:23,440
Speaker 1: incredible mission to go and read about. But the Pentagon

1367
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: saw what what what the Israelis had done and in Debe,

1368
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: and they were like, we can't do that, like we

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01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: don't have that capability. And so that was kind of

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01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: like I think the last straw that led to the

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01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: authorization UM to give back with what he wanted, which

1372
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 1: was to create this unit. But what had been happening

1373
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: in parallel behind the scenes, was that Beckwith was envisioning

1374
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: a unit that was modeled on the British sas that,

1375
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: unlike the Green Berets, unlike special forces that would act

1376
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: as trainers and advisors, a force that could do more

1377
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: technical missions, that could do more complicated tasks and actually

1378
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: be hands on. I think he as he said, they

1379
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: would be doers, not trainers. People who could wear disguises,

1380
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: who could pick locks, who could do all sorts of

1381
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 1: interesting clandestine things. Um and I always wanted to do

1382
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: a Foyer request and try to get Charlie Beckwith's um

1383
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: thesis paper that he wrote when he went to the

1384
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: War College, because he wrote it about this topic. But

1385
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: at the time, terrorism, yes, was an escalating threat. But

1386
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: we were standing up these capabilities not because anyone really

1387
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 1: gave a ship about a bunch of Arab terrorists, but

1388
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: rather because we were locked into a cold war that

1389
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: could go hot with the Soviet Union. If that war

1390
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: ever went hot with the Soviets and they came, you know,

1391
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: rushing through the folded gap and took over Germany and

1392
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: Berlin and everything else, and that that war cooked off,

1393
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: would there be American citizens and American soldiers held in

1394
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: pow camps behind enemy lines, which brings us to um.

1395
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: This scenario would be reminiscent of the Sunte raid right

1396
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: in Vietnam where and Backwidth's premise when he created the

1397
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: unit was that instead of training, selecting and training and

1398
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: then rehearsing for that operation like they did with Sunte,

1399
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: the selecting and training would already be done. You just

1400
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: do the rehearsals. You have all the men they're ready

1401
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: to go. You just rehearse for that specific mission and

1402
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: then execute it. So in the event that that war

1403
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: went hot with the Soviet Union, we would have a

1404
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 1: force ready to execute pow rescue missions. We would also

1405
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: have a force that could be prepared to infiltrate behind

1406
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: enemy lines and conduct acts of sabotage. Um and these

1407
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: are definitely the types of missions that um jaysack units

1408
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: could conduct. Um so counter terrorism and in a lot

1409
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: of ways is really sort of like the non classified

1410
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 1: mission that these units have. The more classified operation is

1411
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: the sort of stuff that they would do against pure

1412
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 1: or what what the the political science e term is

1413
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: pure adversaries or mere pure adversaries, right, And that nitro

1414
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: Zeus article I wrote talks a bit about that and

1415
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: about the the countering w m D mission that they

1416
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: could execute. But there are a whole slew of different

1417
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: tasks that units like this could execute if we really

1418
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: went into a no ship war with a serious adversary.

1419
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: Um and, uh So, I hope that answer begins to

1420
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: answer that question. Yeah, this is from anonymous ian. We

1421
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: hear a ton about Jack's background, but outside of serious

1422
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: what is yours? Uh? You want me to answer that

1423
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: first and then get to these other questions. Yeah, I'll

1424
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: give you a little break here because you've you've expanded

1425
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: on a lot of topics here, and I'll go deep

1426
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:59,839
Speaker 1: into my background. Um, So I went to high school

1427
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: and you know guy in Long Island graduating high school.

1428
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: I honestly had like no interest in going to college.

1429
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: Was one of those things like my mom always wanted

1430
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: me to go to college because she didn't graduate college.

1431
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: Although she's been extremely successful, but it's been like a

1432
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,560
Speaker 1: big thing for her. So I enrolled in Temple University

1433
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, and I had no idea what the funk

1434
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. So I think I enrolled for business.

1435
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: There was really no radio program. I didn't know you

1436
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: went to school in Philly for one year, so there

1437
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: was Ah. I enrolled for business and yeah, there wasn't

1438
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: really a radio program. They were trying to start a

1439
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: radio program, and I like got signed up, but it

1440
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: was just like the would have a meeting every two

1441
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 1: weeks about like launching this you know, radio station didn't exist,

1442
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: but it was like it was really nothing. Nothing really

1443
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 1: ever happened. So anyway, it was a good time. But uh,

1444
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: I kind of got over like living away from home,

1445
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: being away from my good friends back home. I also

1446
01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: had no idea what the hell I wanted to do

1447
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: in college, and I was doing like my music on

1448
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: the side. Like for those who don't know, which is

1449
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: most of this audience, Like I've been involved in music,

1450
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 1: like particularly hip hop rapping, uh for a long time,

1451
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: and it's been something I've been interested in, like pretty

1452
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: much my whole wife. I was listening to U Tang

1453
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: Clan in Tupac and all that stuff, like while those

1454
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 1: guys were still alive. Like I was very young at

1455
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: the time, but I've always been into hip hop, just

1456
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: like I've always been into metal, And I think I'm

1457
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: like a child of that whole rap metal era of

1458
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: like Corn Olympiscuit, Lincoln Park, all that stuff. Uh. Like

1459
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 1: that I was young when all that was birthed. Basically

1460
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: was in high school when that stuff came around. Yeah,

1461
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: and I was probably like middle school because a few

1462
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: years younger. Did you have the red hat like Fred Durst?

1463
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: I probably haven't had many acts. I probably did at

1464
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 1: some point. I by the way, I saw that show

1465
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: that Limpiscuit did at the Troubador. My friend Frankie Palmary

1466
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: from him You're got to go there, which would have

1467
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: been really cool to see him in such a small venue.

1468
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 1: I would totally go to that. Um. But anyway, like

1469
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: I was into doing my music and I remember calling

1470
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: my mom and being like, I'm gonna move back home

1471
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:02,839
Speaker 1: and I just want to kind of pursue my music.

1472
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: And my mom was like not having it. She was like,

1473
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: I've made a huge deal that I have to go

1474
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,759
Speaker 1: to college. Um. So I was like, all right. I

1475
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: decided to go to Hopster because it was by my house,

1476
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: and luckily for me, this really wasn't why I went there.

1477
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 1: But Hofster had an amazing radio program, like became number

1478
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,759
Speaker 1: one uh college radio station Princeton Review I think shortly

1479
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: after I left, maybe a year after I left. Also

1480
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: became the flagship station in the New York Islanders after

1481
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: I left. So like a lot of big things. But

1482
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: I decided to go to Hotster a while pursuing my

1483
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: music stuff, and a lot of the guys I wrapped

1484
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: with ended up becoming like really big to be honest, Um,

1485
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,759
Speaker 1: yeah I was. I I hung out with Joe Grere,

1486
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: who later became a member of like Free Will, Free

1487
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: Will is like huge. Now if any of you guys

1488
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: are into that stuff, like tour around the world. They've

1489
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 1: done stuff with Sean Strange who's toured around the world. Um,

1490
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: I'd have a song you can even look it up

1491
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: called car Chase with Jaden Panesso from Sile or Silo

1492
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: was like huge Now. I was at their first show,

1493
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,879
Speaker 1: which was a totally different line up opening for Comeback

1494
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: Hid and it was like maybe I don't know twenty

1495
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 1: something people there when they played, And now they're like

1496
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: playing everywhere. They're like on major labels. I remember the

1497
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: last time I saw them, like it was like sixteen

1498
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,719
Speaker 1: year old girls in the audience knowing every single line

1499
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: to every single song. Holy sh it. Like yeah, And

1500
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: it makes me wish I like kept doing music for

1501
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: longer because I I don't know, I just the radio

1502
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: stuff kind of happened, which I'll get into. Um, but anyway,

1503
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: where am I going? Uh yeah, so oh. I was

1504
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: also working at Tower Records at the time, as I mentioned,

1505
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: And here's how I really got into the radio thing.

1506
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: And this is just me being completely honest with you guys. Um,

1507
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: it's not to like boast about like I guess my

1508
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: natural abilities or anything. I remember at Tower Records all

1509
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: the time as I would make conversations with people or

1510
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: talk to customers, this would happen like on a daily basis.

1511
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 1: People would say you have a really good voice, like

1512
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: do you should do something in radio? Like everything you're

1513
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: pursuing radio and what happened all the time, And so

1514
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 1: I realized, like, maybe this isn't just like my my

1515
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: mom comp It's a little different at this point. So

1516
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: because Hofster had a radio program, I began to take

1517
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: it a lot more serious. I did their um metal program,

1518
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:22,799
Speaker 1: Aggressive Edge UM and and I got these like really

1519
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 1: loyal listeners. I didn't expect it to be as big

1520
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: as it was for me because it was something I

1521
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: was just starting with. I remember this guy thick Neck

1522
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: who was that's what he went by, was a bouncer

1523
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: and he would call my show all the time, and

1524
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: I remember he wrote out like people at the station

1525
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: were kind of surprised. They were like, eating you're like

1526
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: fan mail that was sent to the station for you,

1527
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 1: And he wrote me this whole like handwritten thing about

1528
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: being a bouncer with pictures of him. It was kind

1529
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 1: of weird, But the same time, I was like cool

1530
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: that I maybe this is gonna become something because it

1531
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: was just something I was like doing on the side.

1532
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: And then I started doing their news program because I realized, like,

1533
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: you get to talk more the way we are rather

1534
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: than just introducing songs. And the thing with radio for

1535
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: me is that I don't I'm not gonna say the

1536
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 1: first time I was on air it was amazing or anything.

1537
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure it wasn't great, but you kind of know.

1538
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: I think when you just have a natural ability at something,

1539
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,759
Speaker 1: and there's people I see that do radio shows and

1540
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: people say, you know, it won't be good, and other

1541
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: people will say, like I've seen people filling for work

1542
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: out for instance, and even Ben's I've heard say, uh,

1543
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: you know, this person is not good, but I think

1544
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 1: with time they could become good. And I sometimes I'm like, no,

1545
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: this person is never gonna be good. And and I

1546
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 1: don't say it to be pessimistic, it's just you kind

1547
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: of know when someone has that natural ability and they don't,

1548
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: Like I remember Buck Sexton filling in for wlcount is

1549
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: first time ever doing radio, Like now he's done, you know,

1550
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: probably thousands upon thousands of shows. I was there the

1551
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: first time he ever did a three hour radio show,

1552
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: and like, is he any Was he anywhere near as

1553
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: good as he is now? Absolutely not. But you were

1554
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 1: able to just see this guy has a natural ability

1555
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: and he's into it. Yeah to do this, so I

1556
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: really um decided to pursue it. I got a internship

1557
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,839
Speaker 1: for Fangoria Radio, which was just starting out D Snyder

1558
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:16,759
Speaker 1: hosting legendary Twist and Sister frontman Um and Debbie Rashan

1559
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 1: I and now was my first time it's serious and

1560
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: it was like holy sh it, like walking in there

1561
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: seeing d Snyder and was like'm gonna I'm gonna work

1562
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: with this guy. And uh, I don't think I was

1563
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: like a good intern. I think I'll be honest, like

1564
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 1: I think I had like an entitled attitude of like

1565
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: I just want to be on air, and I wasn't

1566
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: willing to do like the bitch work. And I learned

1567
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:38,839
Speaker 1: I worked with the producer that show, Mike Costell, who

1568
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: we really quashed it first, but I realized like it

1569
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: was a good thing in the long run that I

1570
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: worked with a guy who wasn't going to take shipped

1571
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: from me, who was gonna push me to like to

1572
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 1: do a good job and have to do basically bitch

1573
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 1: work that I didn't want to do because that's just

1574
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: a part of life. And I definitely was in that

1575
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: category looking back of like entitled the Uh you know,

1576
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: I want to be doing like these major things before

1577
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: getting coffee for people and ship and you just have

1578
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: to do that in every aspect of life. Um. So

1579
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 1: here's a funny story. Uh we Tony Timpone who is

1580
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,719
Speaker 1: the editor in chief of Fangoria Fanguorian magazine at the time,

1581
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: they wanted to do a theme song contest for and

1582
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,440
Speaker 1: Tony Timpone, if you've ever seen him, is this really nerdy,

1583
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: great guy, um, who just loves horror movies. He is

1584
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:34,520
Speaker 1: like the the quintessential nerd for horror movies. Uh, and

1585
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 1: like that that's what he loves. But and if you

1586
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: ever go to a Fanguori convention, he's wearing like a

1587
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 1: full on suit or a tuxedo and like just nerds

1588
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: out hardcore and and uh, I remember when Quentin Tarantino

1589
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 1: on the show, he only did a few interviews. It

1590
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 1: serious and the reason he did Fangoria. He said to

1591
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 1: Tony he was like, I remember going to credit conventions

1592
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: and handing you scripts like while I was working at Blockbusters. Yeah,

1593
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 1: and like before he was ever anybody. So, um, I

1594
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:06,879
Speaker 1: bring this up because we had a theme song contest

1595
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: for Tony Timpone and people were going with like white

1596
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,719
Speaker 1: and nerdy by weird Al Yankovic and you know, stuff

1597
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: like that. And I remember the staff of Fangorian being like, Ian,

1598
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 1: you wrap, you should do a theme and I think

1599
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: they figured it was gonna be fucking terrible and they're

1600
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: gonna make fun of me. So I was like, all right,

1601
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for this. I found my friend Sean Strange,

1602
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 1: who's produced for Necro producer Mr Hydes and like big

1603
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: names um, and I was like, dude, I want to

1604
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: do the most gangster sounding song for Tony Timpone. Make

1605
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: it like as thuggish as possible, which is like the

1606
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 1: complete opposite of what this guy is. And that's what

1607
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 1: I went for. I did like a total gangster rap

1608
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 1: type song for Tony Timpone and they ended up loving

1609
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 1: it and I won that contest. That's amazing. Yeah, so

1610
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: it was cool and I remember decent. I want to

1611
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: hear it now. Yeah, I could probably find it somewhere.

1612
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: Maybe I could find it and put it up. It

1613
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: was I definitely have it in a hard drive somewhere.

1614
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: Is it all about like bitches and photis of Oh yeah,

1615
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: I remember I have like, uh you know, there were

1616
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: lines about him going to strip clubs. Uh. Oh. We

1617
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: had a contest called Horror Hunk, which we never got

1618
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: a winner of, and I remember I had a line

1619
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: in the song about that we never crowned a horror

1620
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 1: Hunk because Tonington Pone fucked them up. Like it was.

1621
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: It was a lot of really and it came to

1622
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: me really quickly. But I won that contest. Remember Dee

1623
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: Snyder taking me aside and being like, you're real skill

1624
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: for this man, Like that really meant a lot. It's

1625
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: really cool. So this internship went on forever and it

1626
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 1: was like a minimum wage paid internship and they never

1627
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 1: got rid of me, but they also never promoted me.

1628
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: So I was like, why am I still doing this?

1629
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: Like I I kind of want to leave and move on,

1630
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: but I was also still in college, so I stopped

1631
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: doing that internship. Um, and I remember I was wondering,

1632
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 1: like I didn't know what I wanted to do. Besides that,

1633
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: I was still working at Tower Records. Eventually Tower Records closed.

1634
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, I was gonna say Tower Records around anymore?

1635
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: Are that? Yeah? Oh yeah they closed. I was there

1636
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,520
Speaker 1: on like the last days of the Tower Records. Yeah.

1637
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: You could make like like a documentary like about en

1638
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: Ron over that. I bet there is a documentary on

1639
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: Tower Records. I haven't watched it yet. I want to.

1640
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 1: Um because it was it was such a cool like

1641
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: community of people. It wasn't just a music store like

1642
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,799
Speaker 1: Digital just wiped it out. Yeah, yeah, it's it's crazy.

1643
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: Um So I was doing that. I remember I worked

1644
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 1: at a mall at like a gene clothing store for

1645
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: literally one day and I was like, funk this this

1646
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: is not for me. Um But I wasn't doing it.

1647
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: It's gonna say hot topic, it wasn't. It was like

1648
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: a hot topic type of store, but it wasn't hot topic.

1649
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: Um Or Spencer's gifts are one of those. It was

1650
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: like I think it was what Gene Country used to

1651
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: be and then it had a new name. Um So,

1652
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing much in radio other but than behind

1653
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 1: the scenes stuff at the time. Somewhere in the mix

1654
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: of this, because this is all coming back to me

1655
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: while I was working at Hopster University and I was

1656
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 1: doing the news coverage John Mullen, who is the program

1657
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: director who's like the coolest guy in the world. John

1658
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: Mullen's like my biggest influence in radio. He's the guy

1659
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,759
Speaker 1: who helped change Hot ninety seven in New York, legendary

1660
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 1: station from a dance station into a rap station. UM.

1661
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 1: During election night coverage, which they had me because the

1662
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: the um one of the debates was at Hofstra, they

1663
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: had me on CBS, which this is very funny and

1664
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 1: shows you how like unethical of the news is. They

1665
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: had me on There is a quote undecided voter. I

1666
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 1: was voting for John McCain. I mean in the camp

1667
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: of Ron Paul before the election that had me on

1668
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 1: there there. I remember John being like Ian say, you're

1669
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: an undecided voter, get on TV. Very cool. Um. But

1670
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: during the election night coverage, John Mullen was like, yeah,

1671
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: we have some people from Serious coming. I was working

1672
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: at Serious, but I never met Andrew. At the time.

1673
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 1: I was doing like Jamie Fox's channel. I was doing

1674
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 1: Mojo Nixon and he goes, yeah, we're gonna have some

1675
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: political commentators here. We're gonna have Alex Bennett and some

1676
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: some cow guy and I was like, Andrew will Cow

1677
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, that's right. And I had

1678
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 1: listened to Andrew in um like my car on the

1679
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 1: way to classes. I remember I would like show up

1680
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 1: to class late because I was too UM. I was

1681
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 1: like two sucked into whatever Andrew was talking about. He

1682
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 1: really was like a big influence on me, and like

1683
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: was one of the first radio shows that I really

1684
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 1: heavily got into. So I got to meet him Election

1685
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 1: night when Nick Razuto was still a producer and Mike

1686
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 1: was also there, and I was like, man, this guy's

1687
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: really cool. I really hope to work with him at

1688
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: some point, and then I did. And then I remember

1689
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: being like I really hope to fill in for him

1690
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: at some point, and I remember the guy who was

1691
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 1: basically above us there. It was like, no, not a chance,

1692
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: and as you know, it ended up happening. I got

1693
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: to do it with you guys, and like so cool. Uh.

1694
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: So here fast forward. I mean, there's so many things

1695
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:53,679
Speaker 1: I did in between, and I'm trying to like cover

1696
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 1: all of this, um because I think it's an interesting story,

1697
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: I guess for some of you guys, hopefully, UM, I'm

1698
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: trying to think back here of of where I go, UM,

1699
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 1: of working with Andrew. I know there's something I want

1700
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 1: to cover here, and I'm like drawn a blank. There's

1701
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: so many different things out here we go. So I

1702
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: was doing um call screening for Andrew Slash, working the

1703
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: board for Andrew, while working on a bunch of other shows,

1704
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 1: and you know, I got to meet so many people

1705
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: at seriously, like the whole experience was great, but I

1706
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: was part time. I wasn't making a lot. I was

1707
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 1: living at my parents house. Um up until actually not

1708
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: that long ago, I was living at my parents house

1709
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,799
Speaker 1: because like, you really couldn't afford working part time. It's serious.

1710
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: So it got very frustrating because I was there for years.

1711
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 1: I mean I started in radio at oh six, Like

1712
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: I've been doing this a really long time, and I

1713
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,799
Speaker 1: was part time and serious for like an insane amount

1714
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: of years. I remember talking to HR and being like, yeah,

1715
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 1: when am I going to get promoted? Like I've been

1716
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 1: here part and They're like, it's not possible that you've

1717
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 1: been here part time for that long. I'm like, no,

1718
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: to trust me. They're like, well, then you haven't pursued

1719
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 1: anything full time, Like no, trust me, I have for

1720
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 1: food full Like, when is this gonna happen? So I

1721
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: thought of um At a certain point leaving radio, I

1722
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: was thinking of just not doing it anymore, um because

1723
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: I was like, this is taking forever for something to happen.

1724
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,480
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I'll go back to school. Uh

1725
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Somewhere in there. I met

1726
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 1: Brandon Webb first, and then I met you you guys

1727
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 1: just launched soft Rep. Brandon was really on the show

1728
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: because he was promoting the Red Circle when he was

1729
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 1: on with Will Cow and we just ended up really

1730
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: liking each other. I mean, Brandon was the one I

1731
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 1: really got to know first. I thought he was just

1732
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: a really cool guy. And because nothing was happening in

1733
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 1: radio for me for a while, I wasn't. There was

1734
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 1: probably a good five years where he did absolutely nothing

1735
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 1: on air because I was out of college. You know.

1736
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 1: It was just like I need to do something on air.

1737
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 1: I need to have some type of on air um

1738
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 1: uh personality. So I decided, although I wasn't allowed to

1739
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: in like the infancy of podcasts, to launch a podcast,

1740
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 1: asked doing spotlight interviews kind of like we do using

1741
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: the serious XM studios, which that they highly would not

1742
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,600
Speaker 1: want me to do like that. There was totally a

1743
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 1: no no, But dude, on the weekends, no one was there.

1744
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: So I was like, I gotta utilize this and do something.

1745
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 1: So I remember the first episode of my solo podcast,

1746
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 1: I was Brandon was like the first Navy C I

1747
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 1: ever met. I was like, man, he'd be cool to

1748
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,640
Speaker 1: have on. Never read the Red Circle or anything, but

1749
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: I was like, this would be a cool interview. So

1750
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: I interviewed him and I did maybe a dozen or

1751
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 1: so episodes of that podcast. Um and you guys were

1752
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 1: doing software radio at the time with another host with

1753
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 1: Quinn Um. And after I think about a dozen episodes

1754
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: of that, I went on a quick trip to Atlantic

1755
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 1: City with my one of my best friends, Steve, and

1756
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: I remember we saw Motley Crewe. We also saw Third

1757
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 1: Eye Blind. We're just hanging out. There was a good time.

1758
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: I literally had about two hundred dollars in my bank

1759
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: account and I gamble pretty much all of it. And

1760
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 1: I remember, prior to seeing Motley Crew, which I was

1761
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 1: supposed to be like really excited for, it was the

1762
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 1: last show of their tour. It wasn't the last tour

1763
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 1: it was one of the last tours. I remember feeling

1764
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 1: really down because I was like, fuck, I have no

1765
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,600
Speaker 1: money on me, I have no idea like what I

1766
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: want to do with my life, and maybe I'm gonna

1767
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,679
Speaker 1: have to do something else. And I when I went

1768
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 1: back home from that trip, I said to my mom,

1769
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:28,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I hate to do this. It was

1770
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 1: a living at home at the time. I'm gonna have

1771
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: to borrow some money for you because I, like I

1772
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: have no money. Ended up not borrowing money from her.

1773
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 1: I had a bank account with a decent amount of

1774
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: money that she just didn't want me to touch because

1775
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 1: I was living at home. She let me take some

1776
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 1: money out of that account. But I remember feeling like

1777
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: I never want to have to borrow money from my parents.

1778
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 1: I need to like get on my feet because I'm

1779
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: in my late twenties at this time, Like this is

1780
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: getting a little ridiculous here. Uh So I believe it

1781
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: or not. I never really talked about this. I thought

1782
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 1: of not only going to school, I thought of joining

1783
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: the military at one point because I was just like,

1784
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what I want to do, and I

1785
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: don't like to mention it because it's almost like remember

1786
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 1: when Hillary Clinton was asked about this and she said

1787
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:09,759
Speaker 1: she thought of joining the military. It's like who cares

1788
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: or Donald? I always felt like I was in the military. Yeah,

1789
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't count unless you actually do it, Like there's

1790
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 1: no merit thinking of joining the military. But I did

1791
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: think of doing it. Um. And I basically gave myself

1792
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: a deadline. I was, I was. It was. This was

1793
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 1: in the summer, and I remember being like, by the

1794
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: end of the year, if nothing happens in radio, I

1795
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: am moving on to something else, Like I can't keep

1796
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 1: doing this forever grind, Yeah, making no money, Like what

1797
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 1: am I be? Like thirty something living at my parents house.

1798
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 1: Not gonna not gonna do that to myself. Um. So

1799
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I think the real and the reason I'm repeating all

1800
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: of this is I think it's a cool story of

1801
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 1: like the power of thought, as we say, or even

1802
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 1: the what's that that documentary on Netflix that a lot

1803
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: of people don't like? Is it like the the the knowledge?

1804
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 1: The true? I don't know. Anyway, it's the whole thing

1805
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 1: of like willing something into your life. So I gave

1806
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:08,639
Speaker 1: myself a deadline, as I said, And I remember that

1807
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 1: summer as I was driving to my friends concert, I

1808
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: got a text from Brandon and he was like, Hey,

1809
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 1: do you know someone? And I guess he asked it

1810
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:20,680
Speaker 1: this way just to see how I would respond. Do

1811
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: you know someone who would want to produce our podcast

1812
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 1: and like be on air with us? And I was like, funk, man,

1813
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 1: I would want to do it? And he was like,

1814
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 1: I was hoping that's what you would say, And I

1815
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 1: think would Um what why why Brandon gravitated towards me?

1816
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 1: For one, he was new to this field, so only

1817
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 1: only no new a limited amount of guys with my ability.

1818
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: But I think beyond any on air ability I had.

1819
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 1: I think he liked the fact that I launched that

1820
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: podcast and I was just a go getter. I was

1821
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 1: doing things and just doing things on my own, even

1822
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 1: if no one gave me the opportunity to do so.

1823
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: And he knew I was gonna be a hard worker

1824
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 1: in that sense. And Bran and then asked, um, how

1825
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: much do you have to pay you to do this?

1826
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 1: And I remember being like, dude, I don't care. Even

1827
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:07,640
Speaker 1: though I needed money at the time, it was like

1828
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't about the money, it was about the opportunity.

1829
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like I got paid anything big in

1830
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 1: the beginning. I just wanted to do this and that's

1831
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 1: how that happened. And really shortly after that, a part

1832
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 1: time job opened up at Sirius XM for Senator Bill

1833
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 1: Bradley's show, which I had been working on for months,

1834
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: just as like a fill in to help them out,

1835
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 1: but I knew exactly how the show functioned. I had

1836
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 1: a good relationship with the senior producer, Dvora, and I

1837
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:38,920
Speaker 1: remember thinking, all right, I'm already working part time on

1838
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 1: Andrew's show, and if I work part time on this show,

1839
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 1: is there a way the company can make this into

1840
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:48,719
Speaker 1: a full time position. And Devora has like some leverage

1841
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 1: around there, and she wanted me to work on that show.

1842
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: We were able to make it happen, and this all

1843
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 1: happened within a period of like two months. And I

1844
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: remember this is like, to top it off, it was

1845
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 1: kind of funny. When they were ready to give me

1846
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 1: the full time job. I got a call from HR

1847
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, um, we know about like

1848
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 1: the soft up stuff that you're doing on the side.

1849
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 1: If we're to hire you full time, you're gonna have

1850
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 1: to give that up. You can't do that anymore. Um.

1851
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: I think it was like a no compete type of thing,

1852
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I'm not gonna do that, Like,

1853
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm not agreeing to that right now, because I knew

1854
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:23,719
Speaker 1: there was gonna be a future with this, And luckily

1855
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 1: one of the higher ups on the Patriot channel was like, no,

1856
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 1: it's cool. Ian could work on soft up. So all

1857
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 1: of this happened at once, and it's almost like the

1858
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 1: rest is history from there. Man, this thing really grew.

1859
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:37,640
Speaker 1: Brandon a few years back hired me full time. I

1860
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 1: got to leave serious and do this, and I guess

1861
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 1: that's it, man. I mean there's more, but that's that's

1862
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: my background right there. To give a very long answer

1863
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: to this, it's pretty awesome the way it all came together. Yeah,

1864
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: And I think the reason I wanted to repeat all

1865
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 1: that is because I think, no matter what you want

1866
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: to do, sometimes you have to give yourself a deadline

1867
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:58,839
Speaker 1: of like, I am gonna make it happen by this point,

1868
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 1: and you really bust your ass and be laser focused

1869
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 1: on that one thing for however many months, and if

1870
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:08,599
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, you gotta move on. But you

1871
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 1: can't pursue the same thing forever, Um, but you have

1872
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:14,760
Speaker 1: to give it your all, I think, and I think

1873
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 1: there is something to that of saying like I'm not

1874
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:19,599
Speaker 1: going to go out on the weekends. I'm not gonna

1875
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 1: do ship, which I didn't do until this happens for me,

1876
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't, I will move. And so that's

1877
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: really that's it. So so to answer your question about

1878
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 1: my background, that's my entire background, no military background. Ian's

1879
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 1: leaving out his five tours and nam Um. Alright, So

1880
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 1: anyway back to the other questions to give it a

1881
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 1: long response to that. This is the second question, which

1882
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 1: for Jack and this is all Um in the same email. Jack,

1883
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 1: we're in a time of draw downs and focusing on

1884
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 1: core function Do you think the soft community will ever

1885
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 1: truly get back to its core functions? Or will the

1886
01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 1: advised Brigades take the place of the green berets so

1887
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: they can all become O D A S. And then

1888
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,679
Speaker 1: the third question, why change the name on news Rep.

1889
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 1: I was deployed during the change and it seemed almost

1890
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 1: overnight to me. Thanks for all you guys do. I

1891
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 1: love the reporting and podcast until my cheap ass hits

1892
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 1: the paywall on news Rep UM. So the first question

1893
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 1: about getting back to like core competencies. I mean, I

1894
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 1: think there's a movement to do that. There is always

1895
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 1: a movement to try to get SF back to the

1896
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: unconventional warfare mission. UM. But it's just a case of

1897
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 1: path dependency and just chasing the flavor of the month.

1898
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 1: I think is you know, these these conflicts keep popping

1899
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 1: off in the Middle East, and that's what we keep

1900
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 1: getting deployed to. UM special operations UH, to include SF

1901
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 1: has Am. We have a whole generation of guys who

1902
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:51,679
Speaker 1: are raised on direct action and like that's the cool

1903
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 1: thing to go do, is direct action. UM. At the

1904
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,719
Speaker 1: same time, these units are supposedly still training on their

1905
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:01,719
Speaker 1: metal tasks on the mission Assent task list, which would

1906
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: include their core what are supposed to be their core missions. UM.

1907
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:08,679
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think at the end of the day,

1908
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 1: it's all going to be dictated by what's happening now.

1909
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: I don't think the military is going to get any

1910
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: better at anticipating what's coming over the horizon. UM. I

1911
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:20,840
Speaker 1: think we're always going to be focused on chasing what

1912
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 1: the cool new thing is, UM, Chasing whatever we think

1913
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 1: is going to get congressional funding, and on any given day,

1914
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 1: um SF is making a lot of well intended UM

1915
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Speaker 1: movements towards getting back into unconventional warfare, whether or not

1916
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 1: any of that's gonna happen. I mean, I think a

1917
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 1: lot of it is kind of like pie in the

1918
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 1: Sky UM daydreaming. Unfortunately, and then the news reph Oh yeah,

1919
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: well we talked about this before, but I mean what

1920
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 1: it comes down to is that we started off being

1921
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 1: a special operations website UM, and you know, special Operations

1922
01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 1: Forces report. Over time, we got into reporting about all

1923
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 1: kinds of other things, not just special operations, but the

1924
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:07,600
Speaker 1: military as a whole, UM, reporting about foreign affairs, national security,

1925
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 1: all sorts of different topics. So the soft Rep name

1926
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:14,600
Speaker 1: became kind of not necessarily accurate towards to what we

1927
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 1: do UM. And also I noticed, you know, there's just

1928
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:22,879
Speaker 1: a lot of confusion out there about what we were.

1929
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean, some people thought that really thought that soft

1930
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,600
Speaker 1: Rep was a US government like a dot gov website,

1931
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,919
Speaker 1: that we were, that we were like the public affairs

1932
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:36,719
Speaker 1: wing of Special Operations Command. I still get emails sometimes

1933
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: that say, UM, can you send me over your like

1934
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:42,719
Speaker 1: point of contact for your public relations you know bureau

1935
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:46,559
Speaker 1: or it's uh, yeah, it's weird and like we published

1936
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,640
Speaker 1: something that's like maybe like negative or something about the military,

1937
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 1: and they'd get like people can flip out like oh

1938
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 1: my god, like why are you actually a branch of

1939
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 1: the U. S. Military is using four letter words like

1940
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 1: you can't do this? So it confused people. Um, and

1941
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 1: that's really what led to the name change, was we're

1942
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 1: trying to broaden our horizons and and better reflect what

1943
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 1: we've actually been doing. But we didn't change the name

1944
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 1: of the podcast because I still feel like of what

1945
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:17,840
Speaker 1: we do on here is special Operations orient did Yeah,

1946
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,599
Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was I wanted to keep

1947
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 1: the name Software Radio and I feel like we built

1948
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Speaker 1: an audience with this. I like the name, and you know,

1949
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: we don't it's rare. We'll do a show on finance,

1950
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 1: you know the way that the website you know, so

1951
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Speaker 1: absolutely Alright, another c J. Aremon question and you could

1952
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 1: ask us whatever, but he comes on a couple of weeks.

1953
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 1: But c J Aremon here Ben Wadden's son. Should we

1954
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:45,719
Speaker 1: send Rob O'Neill over to Pakistan to punch his card? Yeah,

1955
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 1: that'd be a good question to ask, Uh, ask Rob

1956
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:52,679
Speaker 1: when he's on next week. Yeah, I'll be on next

1957
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,599
Speaker 1: week with Brandon. Uh. I just gotta confirm and make

1958
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 1: sure he's still good to go. All right, This is

1959
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 1: from Greg. I'll keep this short. I've been listening to

1960
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:03,679
Speaker 1: the podcast since twenty twelve. Can't believe it's been this long.

1961
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 1: It's insane, man. Uh and have heard every episode. Wow,

1962
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:10,959
Speaker 1: that's a lot you've listened to as ramble quite a bit. However,

1963
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 1: I have never heard any discussion on the other two

1964
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Speaker 1: components of Army Special Operations are soft, which are psychological

1965
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Speaker 1: operations psy OPS and Civil Affairs c A. I would

1966
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 1: be very interested if Jack could shed some light on

1967
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Speaker 1: his experience, if any, working with psy ops or c A,

1968
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,759
Speaker 1: and a brief overview of each of their missions. Getting

1969
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 1: a guest on from either branch would be excellent as well.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Greg. Yeah, that's a great one. Um. You know,

1971
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Speaker 1: I think the Civil Affairs and and Psychological Operations both

1972
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 1: bring some stuff to the table. Um. They can do

1973
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:50,840
Speaker 1: things that complement other Special Operations units. They can have

1974
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 1: an important impact on the battle space, but those missions

1975
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 1: are sometimes more difficult to articulate. Um like I can

1976
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 1: explain to you what rangers do, and everyone understands it.

1977
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:04,720
Speaker 1: But you start talking about like psychological operations, people think

1978
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 1: it's just like pamphlet drops. It's actually a lot more

1979
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:10,400
Speaker 1: than that. UM. As far as like getting some of

1980
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 1: those guys on here, I've actually put out feelers several

1981
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 1: times to try to do that, and uh, I get

1982
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 1: put in touch with people and um, from psy ops

1983
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 1: and from civil affairs, and I get the most like

1984
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 1: wishy washy, you know, like limp wristed, uh, you know,

1985
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 1: kind of responses like oh yeah, I'm your guy dog,

1986
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 1: and then like they never answer my emails. After that,

1987
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 1: it's like, well fuck. UM, So I've tried. I'm sorry,

1988
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:37,720
Speaker 1: I struck out a couple of times trying to get

1989
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 1: ce A and psy OPS guys on. UM. If there

1990
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:45,639
Speaker 1: are c A or psy OPS guys out there who

1991
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 1: want to come on and talk to us about what

1992
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:50,600
Speaker 1: that job entails and what they do and so they

1993
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 1: can inform and educate the public, please contact us. All right. UM,

1994
01:47:57,320 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: this is a totally different question here. This is from

1995
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 1: Anthony from Virginia Beach. Hey, Jackney, and I've listened since

1996
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 1: the early days, quite some time before I joined the

1997
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 1: Navy in and started episode one once again. Pretty crazy

1998
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 1: thinking back how long ago that is. I'm writing in

1999
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 1: response to the recent Punisher cancelation. From things I've read

2000
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:18,799
Speaker 1: is that the show staff for all of the Marvel

2001
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 1: and Netflix shows wanted shorter seasons to focus on the

2002
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 1: storylines they wrote. Netflix, on the other hand, wanted the

2003
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 1: longer seasons with episodes that were thirteen or so episodes,

2004
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 1: or I should say, I think you mean seasons with

2005
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:34,080
Speaker 1: thirteen or so episodes. A theory I have about the

2006
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 1: subject is that with Disney launching its own streaming service,

2007
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: the shows may return to that, so Disney starts making

2008
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:43,679
Speaker 1: money off the shows. Another issue that may have happened

2009
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 1: is that viewership wasn't what they hoped for all of

2010
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:49,680
Speaker 1: the shows. Even though Netflix doesn't release that info, there

2011
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,799
Speaker 1: are companies that have shown that each of the Marvel

2012
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,639
Speaker 1: shows that went more than one season is lost viewers

2013
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 1: going into season two. From another podcast, I learned that

2014
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:00,560
Speaker 1: Netflix usually has a lot of money wrapped up in

2015
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:03,880
Speaker 1: all their shows compared to what they're getting back from viewers,

2016
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:06,559
Speaker 1: so that could be another reason for the canceled For

2017
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 1: the cancelation of all four shows. Anyways, that's just my

2018
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:12,160
Speaker 1: two cents based off of what I've heard and read.

2019
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:15,840
Speaker 1: Love the shows, guys, and uh, I listened to every episode,

2020
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 1: so keep up the great work. I can't wait for

2021
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 1: Jack's book. I have it pre ordered. I have been

2022
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:23,599
Speaker 1: waiting for a long time for Jack to right a memoir.

2023
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:26,640
Speaker 1: Oh and what's up with the two mics, Binding and

2024
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 1: Lampy having such fascinating stories? So that's you know, not

2025
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 1: really a question, but they're both very fascinating. I mean

2026
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 1: I think that I think it's probably on target as

2027
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 1: far as what happened with Netflix and Marvel. And if

2028
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 1: you look at what d C Comics has done is

2029
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,599
Speaker 1: they have started their own streaming service that you can

2030
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:49,839
Speaker 1: subscribe to, and there's like, uh, they have like planned

2031
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:52,680
Speaker 1: like already like five different five or six different like

2032
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:57,839
Speaker 1: DC shows, um about like DC Superheroes, And I suspect

2033
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:00,719
Speaker 1: that's what Marvel's gonna do. Yeah, that would be smart

2034
01:50:00,720 --> 01:50:02,720
Speaker 1: is And I mean they're big enough company that they

2035
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:05,240
Speaker 1: can do it. I talked about in the last episode.

2036
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:08,759
Speaker 1: When I worked for Fangoria, they were starting like Fangoria Records,

2037
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 1: Fangoria Radio, and then all of a sudden, it was

2038
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:13,880
Speaker 1: just too much, you know, things become deluded, they downer

2039
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 1: the money to prop up all these things. But a

2040
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:19,240
Speaker 1: company like DC or Marvel, they have the infrastructure to

2041
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 1: launch several, you know, parts of that huge brand. Yeah,

2042
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 1: it's funny to think about the movies kind of saved them,

2043
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 1: because like Marvel has been like on the brink of

2044
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 1: going out of business like a number of times, and

2045
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean their comics sales are not like great by

2046
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 1: any means. I feel like there's been a resurgence though.

2047
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean in the in the late nineties, it's the

2048
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 1: movies and the merchandise that they're making money off of.

2049
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:50,640
Speaker 1: What about what about hot chicks dressing up in cosplay?

2050
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if they're making money

2051
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 1: off of that though, But but it's like a bigger interest, right,

2052
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 1: I Mean, there wasn't this big comic con in the

2053
01:50:57,200 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 1: late nineties early two th but but I mean, if

2054
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 1: you look at the numbers, it's like pretty clear that

2055
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 1: those people are not reading the comic books, Like they're

2056
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,200
Speaker 1: not going out and buying the comics from reading them. Yeah.

2057
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 1: You know, if we ever want a nerd out on

2058
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 1: comic books, which isn't my specialty at all, but you're

2059
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 1: into that stuff a lot of the audiences. But you

2060
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 1: get Rick Unger back in here, who is the CEO

2061
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 1: of Marvel. Yeah, we can do that, and I don't.

2062
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 1: I gotta get Alex Hollings on the show because we

2063
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 1: have to do our big pow wow about Batman versus Superman,

2064
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:30,600
Speaker 1: about the movie controversy, controversy. But let me know and

2065
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 1: we'll do it. Okay, Well, we'll schedule it out. That'll

2066
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:36,880
Speaker 1: be like another special type episode. Um, all right, Jack.

2067
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: Although you are partially correct, I took issue with you

2068
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:43,200
Speaker 1: not wanting to conform to minor rules and regulations. This

2069
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:46,160
Speaker 1: was mentioned in our earlier episode. Even though you believe

2070
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 1: cutting across the grass or not wearing the appropriate pt

2071
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 1: attires anal, it does add value to the overall discipline

2072
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:55,760
Speaker 1: of the unit slash command. It may not make you

2073
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:58,720
Speaker 1: shoot straight or run fast, but you cannot make exceptions

2074
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,599
Speaker 1: for some and turn to blind eye to others when

2075
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 1: in the field of a different ballgame in garrison. We

2076
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 1: need to maintain to your point, there are dick heads abound.

2077
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 1: I once had a sergeant major chastise me for taking

2078
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 1: a boogie bait to the field just a little bit

2079
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:16,759
Speaker 1: de bait bogey bait. Okay, just a little background about

2080
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 1: me and retired Marine gunnery sergeant and currently work as

2081
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 1: a legist uh logistics logistician. Am I saying that right?

2082
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 1: Uh for Submarine Command. I enjoy listening to your podcast

2083
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 1: and I always look forward to the next podcast. Keep

2084
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:34,960
Speaker 1: up the great work, semper five Danny L. Baker. Yeah,

2085
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:38,440
Speaker 1: So what I what I think he's getting at there, um,

2086
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 1: And there's some truth to it, is that the all

2087
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:45,599
Speaker 1: that like um Garrison type discipploint about, like having your

2088
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:48,760
Speaker 1: uniform a certain way, UM, where you do Class A

2089
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:50,880
Speaker 1: inspections and all of your medals have to be in

2090
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 1: a certain place, and the uniform has to be pressed

2091
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:56,160
Speaker 1: a certain way, and has to be tucked into your

2092
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:58,679
Speaker 1: boots a certain way, and so on and so forth.

2093
01:52:58,720 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 1: All these things. What you're trying to do is cultivate

2094
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 1: the values and a soldier that you hope will carry

2095
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:09,639
Speaker 1: over to the battlefield. The discipline, the attention to detail,

2096
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 1: all these little things, um, that you're trying to you know,

2097
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,720
Speaker 1: it's part of the coaching, teaching and mentoring of you know,

2098
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:19,960
Speaker 1: an eighteen year old soldier to get him to you know,

2099
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 1: pay attention to these things. So I recognize his point. Um.

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Speaker 1: The problem is when that becomes the focus, um over

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Speaker 1: combat training and combat itself, where you will have you know,

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Speaker 1: a certain notorious major and the ranger regiment who would

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Speaker 1: stand there on the airfield, and when the helicopters land

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Speaker 1: chastise rangers for not having their boots bloust coming off

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Speaker 1: of a combat operation. It's like ship like that has

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Speaker 1: just gotten completely out of control. Um. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: could tell all kinds of war stories about that. But

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Speaker 1: with the some of this stuff, even in garrison, it

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Speaker 1: strikes me that a lot of it was came about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well some of it, like the salute saluting

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Speaker 1: officers that goes straight back to the Roman times. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these these are ancient traditions, and UM, I respect tradition,

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Speaker 1: but I think some of the things where we're like

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Speaker 1: yelling at soldiers about walking on the grass and all

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Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, it's very much a type of

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Speaker 1: discipline that came out of the conscript army that existed

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Speaker 1: during World War Two and in years prior where we

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Speaker 1: had a conscription and we were bringing in large masses

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Speaker 1: of young men into the military and the discipline had

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Speaker 1: to be hard for that reason. Um. But today, the

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Speaker 1: kind of we have a volunteered military, the kind of

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Speaker 1: kids we are we are pulling into the military are um.

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Speaker 1: They're there have a high school education at least or

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Speaker 1: a g D. Um So they're smarter than the soldier

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Speaker 1: who is joining the military a hundred years ago. Um.

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Speaker 1: They're these kids are gonna be savvier because they have

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Speaker 1: access to information in a way that even my generation

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Speaker 1: didn't have. Um. So I but I so, I think

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Speaker 1: that there's a space for tradition. I think there's um

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Speaker 1: there's a space for discipline and you know, marching soldiers

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Speaker 1: around information, um and teaching them some of those things.

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Speaker 1: But I think that putting the emphasis and the focus

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Speaker 1: on those sorts of things doesn't really resonate with a

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Speaker 1: bunch of young men who joined the military, especially they're

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Speaker 1: joining the military to kick the enemy's ass um. So,

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Speaker 1: I think that we could use a cultural shift in

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Speaker 1: the military that refocuses and puts an emphasis on combat

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Speaker 1: and on doing the job and on practical skills. Um. So.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's I guess it's a question of finding

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Speaker 1: that balance. But no, I'm not saying like we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: salute anymore, um, or that we shouldn't stand at parade

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Speaker 1: rest anymore, or that soldiers should not be corrected when

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Speaker 1: they funk up um apps. Really that's not my my

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Speaker 1: point there. All right, are you ready for the last email? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And there is a little bit more controversial one, I hope.

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01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:10,920
Speaker 1: So we're two hours in. Yeah, I know, I, like

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Speaker 1: I said, I expected this to be like a short podcast.

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Speaker 1: I was like, we'll just do a quick thirty minute

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Speaker 1: Q and A or something and wham bam, thank you ma'am. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we end up going a full two hours um, which, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys listening and sending in your email.

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Speaker 1: So this is the final one, A little bit more

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Speaker 1: controversial one. Hi, Ian and Jack. I'm a long time

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01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:33,040
Speaker 1: listener and former team Remember I've heard every SOFTWAREP. Brady

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Speaker 1: episode going back to the very first episode with former

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Speaker 1: host Quinn. But this is my first time emailing you guys.

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Speaker 1: Just wanted to give you additional insight on why I

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Speaker 1: questioned soft reps breaking Instagram report on the Haiti uh situation.

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Speaker 1: He's at DJ Josie what Wales? I questioned, Uh, was

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Speaker 1: this really about Americans? With guns and Haiti or was

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Speaker 1: this more about embarrassing Chris Osmond. The story is totally

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Speaker 1: within soft reps wheelhouse, of course. The only reasons why

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Speaker 1: I questioned the motive was one I am aware of

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Speaker 1: the long standing feud with Chris and Brandon to soft

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Speaker 1: Rep used Chris's first, middle and last name in the post,

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Speaker 1: he writes L O L here, But I mean that's

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Speaker 1: not not even out of the ordinary. Uh three. And

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Speaker 1: the original post had pointed out that they were approximately

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Speaker 1: a block away from the Central Bank. This could have

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Speaker 1: been mistakenly taken as maybe they were casing the bank

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Speaker 1: for a robbery. My immediate guest was they were on

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Speaker 1: a private security contract and not up to anything nefarious.

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Speaker 1: Knowing how some within the soft community of unfairly trashed

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Speaker 1: soft Rep, I wanted to make sure you guys weren't

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Speaker 1: sinking to that level. The work that you and Jack

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Speaker 1: do is important and valuable. Some of the stories and

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Speaker 1: people featured on the podcast would mostly go unnoticed if

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Speaker 1: not for the podcast. Please continue to take the high

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Speaker 1: road and keep up the good work. Tell Jack a

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Speaker 1: k A cynical Jack, his military knowledge is amazing, and

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Speaker 1: thank you for your service. Sincerely, Jeff L. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean thanks for listening for so long. I mean

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Speaker 1: all the way back to UM episode one, and we

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Speaker 1: had a few people right in who are longtime listeners.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. UM. Regarding the questions, I wrote a

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Speaker 1: article about the whole thing with the deal with the

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Speaker 1: Seals working as at former Seals working as security contractors

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Speaker 1: down in Haiti. I wrote an article about it, and

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Speaker 1: then we talked about it on the podcast. UM. The

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Speaker 1: way I reported the names was the way they were

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Speaker 1: reported by the Miami Herald, because I believe the reason

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Speaker 1: why they reported it like that was because those names

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Speaker 1: were taken straight out of their passports by the Haitian government,

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Speaker 1: and that's how it was reported. UM. And what was

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Speaker 1: the other question that he had about that? Um? Oh oh,

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Speaker 1: basically that you reported and I think there's the same

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Speaker 1: answer that that you're reported. They were approximately block away

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Speaker 1: from the central bank, and this could have been mistakenly

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Speaker 1: taken as maybe they were casing the bank. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well that I don't know what to say about because

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Speaker 1: that's what was reported. Well, yes, they were nearby the

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Speaker 1: central bank, so I reported that, But I in the

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Speaker 1: in that same article, and in the podcast we did,

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Speaker 1: I was very very clear that they were contracting for

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Speaker 1: the Central Bank. They were not they're doing anything criminal.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't know how to be any more clear

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Speaker 1: about that. Um So I can't. Really, it's not your

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Speaker 1: fault if someone Yeah, yeah, I mean if you that's like,

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Speaker 1: if you're trying to deliberately misconstrue what I wrote, then

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Speaker 1: I suppose you can. But um, I can't rebut or

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Speaker 1: defend something I did not write or say, so I

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Speaker 1: don't really know how to address that. A lot of

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Speaker 1: that was speculation, honestly of some of our listeners, some

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Speaker 1: of our readers. I saw a lot of comments, but

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Speaker 1: once we were not responsible for other people's comments. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I was very clear in my reporting what they

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Speaker 1: were there for. So dude, that wraps it up. Two

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Speaker 1: hours of Q and A from you guys, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for your questions. Do you think we should

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Speaker 1: do this again in the future is pretty cool? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Down the line. Um, you know, as people have questions

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Speaker 1: and mail them in, we can do a round up

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Speaker 1: of all of them. Yeah, I did it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we will still answer your questions every few episodes. Software

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Speaker 1: Up Dot Radio SOFTWA up dot com so much for

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Speaker 1: this being a shorter episode. Uh, have a great weekend. Guys,

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Speaker 1: you've been listening to Self Rep Radio. New episodes up

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