Speaker 1: To be be Around the NFL podcast attended every WrestleMania and
Speaker 1: recalls very little. Welcome to another edition to the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas. That come
Speaker 1: to you from a virtual room filled with some heroes.
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, Yes, Whistlemanias. What events they were
Speaker 1: right there by the sea, corn hole, big green egg tunes,
Speaker 1: good people, good vibes, and many drinks. Not true though
Speaker 1: I remember him because I made the mistake of bringing
Speaker 1: my daughter Ellis to most of them. I think at
Speaker 1: some point I finally realized there was one where, um,
Speaker 1: you know, jello shots and I think hard drugs were
Speaker 1: like introduced to the mix, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: no more, no more Ellis coming to these. But I
Speaker 1: you know, I always had to drive home from from
Speaker 1: Marina del Ray, so it wasn't it sounds like I
Speaker 1: was getting too wild in West's memory, Mark, can you
Speaker 1: step in and clarify the hard drugs comment about around
Speaker 1: Westlemania That was not something that I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'd call that a tent believe me, but Creig West
Speaker 1: would have nothing to do with it. But there were
Speaker 1: narrow do wells. West had a very open policy of
Speaker 1: who wants to come and who doesn't. And I can
Speaker 1: definitely confirm, Um, some people were bringing in some things.
Speaker 1: West may have no idea about it, and they may
Speaker 1: have been an NFL employees. They may still be uh
Speaker 1: like the dark side of these parties that Greg was
Speaker 1: eyeing with his it was like it was like the
Speaker 1: three in the afternoon. It's like right lately on you, Greg,
Speaker 1: like you you you're at your third WrestleMania Westlemania. You know,
Speaker 1: we all know what out and what they devolve into.
Speaker 1: And you continually bring small children. And I viewed it
Speaker 1: as a wave too, as an escape hatch to get
Speaker 1: out of there. I mean, of course she's going to
Speaker 1: see crazy stuff. So I don't know what. Well that
Speaker 1: was round two and three of that. Uh see, I
Speaker 1: would disagree. The first couple were pretty family friendly, especially
Speaker 1: during the afternoon, and then it got wild later. That
Speaker 1: was this whole thing that there were actually a lot
Speaker 1: of kids at the first Westlemania or two, and you're right,
Speaker 1: once we got to three, Uh, there was no it
Speaker 1: used to be there was like a two to five
Speaker 1: pm or twelve to four pm pocket where it was
Speaker 1: a little tamer and then you get out of there
Speaker 1: with the kids. But but by three, um, these individuals
Speaker 1: they weren't waiting around. They were they were gonna hit it,
Speaker 1: running right out hard drugs like people just like knotted
Speaker 1: out in the corner. Um knowing those parties and the
Speaker 1: characters involved always kept the children far away. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough being parents sometimes sometimes the kids
Speaker 1: got to come when you can't. It was either that
Speaker 1: or not go. You know, there was like an infinite
Speaker 1: home and I wasn't. I wasn't allowed to leave the
Speaker 1: older one. You know, it's a tough spot. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show. We have. We are approaching the draft now
Speaker 1: and and yes it pains me to say this, but
Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Jeremiah is kind of the guy in
Speaker 1: terms of the NFL Draft and the walk up to it. Uh,
Speaker 1: so we did. We booked him. We booked him on
Speaker 1: the show today and he's gonna be on today's episode.
Speaker 1: We're gonna dive deep on the draft. Nice conversation I
Speaker 1: look forward to having with DJ. We can maybe hopefully
Speaker 1: move past our issues, uh and have a civil conversation.
Speaker 1: Uh to look forward to that also, you know, as
Speaker 1: we are kind of in the afterglow of the Sam
Speaker 1: Donald trade UM, and that happened in the middle of
Speaker 1: our recording on Monday, in fact, right after it, and
Speaker 1: we you know, did some surgery on the show, and
Speaker 1: so it all was happening very quickly, and I was
Speaker 1: just like the last couple of days, I've had a
Speaker 1: chance to reflect on it a little bit because as
Speaker 1: you guys know better than anyone that UM had a
Speaker 1: lot invested in Donald, as did all Jets fans, And
Speaker 1: it is kind of shocking that it's over, that the
Speaker 1: Sam Donald is over in New York. And Joe Douglas
Speaker 1: spoke UM to the media the day after the trade
Speaker 1: to the Panthers, and he said as much that it
Speaker 1: took a lot of things to fall into place for
Speaker 1: it to end after three years, and that's just the
Speaker 1: way it happened, whether the regime change, the timing on
Speaker 1: his contract, where they were picking in the draft, and
Speaker 1: it's just kind of hard to believe. And and I
Speaker 1: still do believe Donald can be better and even good
Speaker 1: in an environment that that where it gives him a
Speaker 1: real shot. But I have to say it is a
Speaker 1: relief no longer having to ponder the chicken or the
Speaker 1: egg nature of his entire career in the NFL. That
Speaker 1: is now something the Panthers fans have to work through
Speaker 1: and figure out because it was very it was extremely stressful.
Speaker 1: So while I I wish him well and I think
Speaker 1: he can do well, that's as a fan that was
Speaker 1: exhausting and it's off my plate and I feel good
Speaker 1: about that. I mean, one of the factors was, um,
Speaker 1: he didn't play well. I mean, and and then it
Speaker 1: was that there is a huge chunk of the media
Speaker 1: in general that turns around and I think has protected
Speaker 1: Sam Donald because of the environment he was in as
Speaker 1: much as any quarterback in the league. And so he's
Speaker 1: is that fair unfair? I Mean, you can look at
Speaker 1: Donald from a couple of different viewpoints. But the hardest
Speaker 1: thing as a Jets man, I think was defending bad
Speaker 1: quarterback play from a guy that everyone felt should be
Speaker 1: so much better and making the team better, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was tough on Dan. He had for a while
Speaker 1: he was trying to convince us like Sam Donald was
Speaker 1: super good looking, Like that's how much he was bump
Speaker 1: bumping him up. He is. I think he is a
Speaker 1: handsome He's fine, He's fine, but he's no Zack Wilson,
Speaker 1: who's like a young Efron zac Efron. I feeling even
Speaker 1: better about the Zac Efron slash Zach Wilson. But if
Speaker 1: you if you like your men like little boys, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we're just getting old. But he
Speaker 1: looks like he's like fourteen years old, so I think
Speaker 1: we are certainly getting old. Speaking of Sam darn in
Speaker 1: the end of the road, I think this is a
Speaker 1: good time to check in with Keith hanss Now. His
Speaker 1: name is Keith Dan. He'll doubt about it. He's a
Speaker 1: big Jets fan. Well is he gondaillpen game to day? Well?
Speaker 1: Does he go? Will happen game today? The Sam Donald
Speaker 1: era is over. I thought Sam Donald was the kind
Speaker 1: of player that I think teammates probably appreciated. He played
Speaker 1: through pain, and he seemed to try hard, uh and
Speaker 1: didn't seem to put throw people under the bus or
Speaker 1: anything of that regard. But as far as the way
Speaker 1: he progressed in the three years he was with the Jets,
Speaker 1: I you know, had lost faith in him as a
Speaker 1: Jet fan. I don't think he was gonna change much.
Speaker 1: I agree he didn't have the team around him the
Speaker 1: coaching around him. But I seeing other young players in
Speaker 1: recent years that have been drafted on other teams come
Speaker 1: up with not the greatest teams and have put up
Speaker 1: some great numbers. Where Sam Sam Donald, with all the
Speaker 1: publicity he was getting and a claim, he just never
Speaker 1: seemed to improve and as a matter of fact, just
Speaker 1: went down. As we all know, last year was ranked
Speaker 1: dead last among all active quarterbacks UH in the ratings.
Speaker 1: And just hopefully the Jets cel um in the draft
Speaker 1: will come up and the quarterback that they pick UH
Speaker 1: will become the quarterback that they can work with. I
Speaker 1: think it was a good move by the Jets. Good
Speaker 1: luck Sam. Disclosure, my dad was always out on Sam Donald.
Speaker 1: This past year or so. There was no on the fence.
Speaker 1: I'm on the fence and I'm just trusting management to
Speaker 1: get this right. Keith was ready to roll on the
Speaker 1: Donald era and move on. So I hope he's right.
Speaker 1: I hope he's right. Gonna analysis is always though Anton
Speaker 1: Panthers don't hope he's right. Um. I think that was
Speaker 1: the thing that would think the thing that Donald is
Speaker 1: We're just such a quick football like COGNISCENTI to move
Speaker 1: on like we didn't need to wait to move on
Speaker 1: to from Dayne Haskins and Josh Rosen. And I think
Speaker 1: when you really look at it, that's that's the that's
Speaker 1: the company Donald was keeping even when he was protected
Speaker 1: and and and things went well on a certain play.
Speaker 1: That's that. It's like, we've done this long enough to
Speaker 1: like assume anything. If Matt Rule can fix him up
Speaker 1: nice and fancy, he could be average there. And I
Speaker 1: think there's a ceiling and I'm not a bit I'm
Speaker 1: not really buying this um, but you know, maybe he
Speaker 1: can be average. There is a bit of an irony
Speaker 1: here by the way, as I say, I'm passing Donald
Speaker 1: off to another fan base. Uh, and there was a
Speaker 1: lot of stress to it. I'm kind of passing it
Speaker 1: off the Sessler who's the president of the Matt Rule
Speaker 1: Dynasty fan club. He's now kind of your quarterback in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Yeah. And I think actually, like
Speaker 1: he goes to a really one of the best, you know,
Speaker 1: scenarios you could have picked for him. And if Joe
Speaker 1: Brady is as brainy as they saying creative, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it'll help. And I think that's good for
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. I wouldn't want him. See him go somewhere
Speaker 1: where he was in a word, like a Jared Goff
Speaker 1: type landing spot where things seem to fall apart even
Speaker 1: further once you get there. Um. But I don't have
Speaker 1: any great faith that Sam Donald's like a great quarterback,
Speaker 1: that's all. I just want to see it. I don't
Speaker 1: have to have that he could be a backup. I
Speaker 1: would be very interested if they drafted someone at quarterback,
Speaker 1: I kind of, I think, and this is something I
Speaker 1: thought about more. I'm convinced they were in on mac
Speaker 1: Jones and between striking out with Stafford mac Jones potentially
Speaker 1: and Watson, um, then Donald kind of became this fallback land.
Speaker 1: But who knows, maybe mac Jones doesn't get taken, or
Speaker 1: maybe they maybe tray Lance falls and they decided to
Speaker 1: take a shot. Who knows. And speaking of the Panthers,
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater, by the way, is now allowed or has
Speaker 1: been given permission, to engage with trade partners, So I
Speaker 1: know you would floated the he might still be in
Speaker 1: the mix of the Panthers. The Panthers are done with
Speaker 1: Teddy bridge want They're gonna They're gonna take a financial
Speaker 1: uh semi Bath to move on considering the investment they
Speaker 1: made with him, which wasn't small. It wasn't huge, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't small either. Then they're gonna kind of hit
Speaker 1: the reset here. And I'm with you, just like I thought.
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick would have been a lot of fun in Denver. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Broncos job. If you were a quarterback trying to
Speaker 1: figure out where you land in the landscape and you're
Speaker 1: still looking for work. Uh, and there aren't many quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in this category. Now with Teddy, you gotta get up
Speaker 1: to Denver and take on Drew lock with that good offense,
Speaker 1: uh and really strong team all around. Um. All right,
Speaker 1: lots to get to before we get to DJ. And
Speaker 1: we'll talk to DJ about some jet stuff at number
Speaker 1: two because we know his connection to Joe Douglas. Let's
Speaker 1: hit the news. Could you believe a pick in? It's
Speaker 1: funny boys. That's uh the agent of Ben Roethlisberger at
Speaker 1: the two thousand four NFL draft, um Lee Steinberg. Lee
Speaker 1: Steinberg and one of the more famous agents in NFL history.
Speaker 1: And uh that pops up every once in a while.
Speaker 1: Stephen Ruey's who does really good work. Uh. Over at four,
Speaker 1: the Win. He's their lead writer. Uh he really he
Speaker 1: put he floated that back up onto Twitter. Uh this week,
Speaker 1: and it's a whole behind the scenes breakdown of the
Speaker 1: two thousand four draft, following all the top picks everywhere
Speaker 1: there they were mike them up at the draft tables,
Speaker 1: and it just got me thinking how disappointing it is
Speaker 1: that as the draft since in those fifteen years twenty
Speaker 1: years has gotten bigger, Uh, the access has gotten tighter
Speaker 1: and tighter and more and more controlled. Wouldn't that be
Speaker 1: great if we had this every year and then you
Speaker 1: can look back on this stuff instead? Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you just get this recycled every year so on social media,
Speaker 1: which I appreciate. But at the same time, I wish
Speaker 1: we had this for this draft or the Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: Sam Donald draft, like all that stuff. Uh No, that's
Speaker 1: not how it works anymore. I prefer less access, um,
Speaker 1: more sterile coverage, more robotic, less insight. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: so we're going. We're heading in the right direction. Plus
Speaker 1: I feel like there's more. Maybe maybe this is not true,
Speaker 1: but uh, like that draft as Roethlisberger was fallen, you
Speaker 1: really like you didn't you weren't expecting that going in necessary.
Speaker 1: You know, you really didn't have a good feel of
Speaker 1: what was going to happen to Rivers and Roethlisberger in
Speaker 1: that draft. You kind of knew what, you know, probably
Speaker 1: what was happening with Eli, but like as he's falling,
Speaker 1: that was great drama in real time, just like Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers when he was in the in the draft room.
Speaker 1: And Lee Steinberg, by the way, is one of four
Speaker 1: hundred agents who believes Jerry McGuire was made about him.
Speaker 1: That's like a thing and behind the scenes in agent world,
Speaker 1: they all think it was about them. Also invites me
Speaker 1: to his Super Bowl party every every year, by the way,
Speaker 1: and uh, I went to one many many years back,
Speaker 1: and it's still conflicted with other things that we were doing.
Speaker 1: But um, he's continually nice enough to send the invite
Speaker 1: because I think he knows he and I could really
Speaker 1: chop it up if we were to get in a
Speaker 1: room together. Look at Greg's face, he's continue still eating lemons,
Speaker 1: lemons and limes. All right, let's get to the news,
Speaker 1: and we'll start with sobering bit of news here. Two
Speaker 1: of the twenty two women who have accused Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: of sexual assault and harassment and separate lawsuits publicly publicly
Speaker 1: spoke out on Tuesday detailing their experiences with the Texans quarterback.
Speaker 1: During that news conference, Ashley soulis the first woman to
Speaker 1: file a suit against Watson. Um spoke up about her
Speaker 1: allegations against the all pro. Here's a little bit of
Speaker 1: what she had to say. No longer practice the profession
Speaker 1: that I love the most without shaking your decision, my
Speaker 1: handshake whenever I pleased the one client, and I'm a
Speaker 1: session short. If you only knew how heartbreaking that is
Speaker 1: to me. I got into massagist therapy to heal people,
Speaker 1: to heal their minds and bodies, to bring peace to
Speaker 1: their souls. The Shaun Watson has robbed me of that.
Speaker 1: He took that away from me. He tainted a profession
Speaker 1: in which I take enormous pride. Lashes of Watson space
Speaker 1: rushed to me in the moment I'm in counseling as
Speaker 1: a result of Shaun Watson's actions. I hope he knows
Speaker 1: how much pain he's affected on me emotionally and physically,
Speaker 1: and I hope he knows how much pain he is
Speaker 1: unlifted on these other survivors. The NFL released a statement
Speaker 1: on Tuesday saying they are continuing to closely monitor all
Speaker 1: developments in the matter. My Carefolo of the NFL Network
Speaker 1: reported the League office has been a contact UH with
Speaker 1: Tony Buzby, the attorney involved of this UM And finally,
Speaker 1: the Houston Police Department said last week it isn't investigating
Speaker 1: Watson UM after a complaint filed with them last week.
Speaker 1: So the story continues to develop. Very tough to see
Speaker 1: UM one of these UM accusers step up and speak
Speaker 1: out UM, and it really adds um a level of
Speaker 1: humanity to the situation. A tough watch it was. You know,
Speaker 1: it's been a I think an important week in the
Speaker 1: in the Watson story, with these women coming out and
Speaker 1: then also kind of the business community around Watson starting
Speaker 1: to pull back from him. He's lost multiple endorsements, UH,
Speaker 1: including with Nike and in the NFL sending out another
Speaker 1: statement on Tuesday, I think was significant just because of
Speaker 1: the wording they used. They did compare their first statement
Speaker 1: about Watson, which was very business like and this one,
Speaker 1: which which was of course as well, but they you know,
Speaker 1: they did use the words how the allegations were deeply disturbing,
Speaker 1: how serious they take it. And um, Stephanie Stradley is
Speaker 1: a really good follow for Texans fans always, but she's
Speaker 1: also a lawyer, and she sort of wrote a frequently
Speaker 1: asked questions about the Watson case that I found really informative.
Speaker 1: Part of it was, you know, don't don't know Pine
Speaker 1: on it. It's very hurtful. It's it's very um difficult
Speaker 1: thing for non lawyers or really anyone to talk about.
Speaker 1: So but I do think it's important we just follow
Speaker 1: this story. It's it's so significant, and I do think
Speaker 1: I think the NFL statement was was telling and that
Speaker 1: he's going to be in a holding pattern here for
Speaker 1: a while. I think the question, you know, just in
Speaker 1: terms of football is just like, will he played football
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty one is very much an open question.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I mean, I agree with everything you said,
Speaker 1: and it right now it's looking like Tyrod Taylor, you know,
Speaker 1: gets closer and closer to being starting quarterback. But all
Speaker 1: that is sort of just I don't know, like when
Speaker 1: you go and watch these when you listen to these voices,
Speaker 1: and um, it's not just names or a number of
Speaker 1: names or how many, and you listen to what they say.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it brings a whole different
Speaker 1: wave of reality to it. And uh, you know, Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: who knows what what will happen here? But I I
Speaker 1: think the league and all of us and everyone didn't
Speaker 1: know quite what to do with it a month ago.
Speaker 1: Um it's changing now, Yeah, it certainly is. In other news,
Speaker 1: the Boston Herald reports it's doubtful that Julian Edelman will
Speaker 1: be able to play a full season. In the reports,
Speaker 1: I say, source familiar with the Edelman situation. He's got
Speaker 1: an a knee issue and it's a type of situation
Speaker 1: and he could undergo surgery on the knee, but it's
Speaker 1: only a temporary solution. He only played six games last season.
Speaker 1: And Greg, you are a Boston's sports fan, it does
Speaker 1: make me think another underdog, little critter that you were
Speaker 1: your your fan base as a fan of Dustin Petroia
Speaker 1: of the Red Sox, similar situation, a guy that was
Speaker 1: beloved by fans um and had a knee issue that
Speaker 1: just would not get better. Uh. Edelman seems to have
Speaker 1: a similar situation here, and it puts the Patriots in
Speaker 1: a tough spot because he is a franchise legend. Let's
Speaker 1: face it, right, I started wondering, why is Julian Edelman
Speaker 1: still on this roster, just knowing the Patriots? And then
Speaker 1: and I looked and I realized he only has a
Speaker 1: two point eight million dollar base salary this year, and
Speaker 1: and that was the answer. Last year he was still
Speaker 1: making kind of big money. Now they have all this
Speaker 1: cap space. They obviously love Edelman, and so they're just
Speaker 1: not in a hurry. I kind of buy the conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories that I know is happening among Patriots fans though,
Speaker 1: that a report like this is maybe getting put out
Speaker 1: there because he wants to get released. Like I could
Speaker 1: buy that, you know what I mean, Like this is
Speaker 1: this is what kind of market does Julian Edelman have?
Speaker 1: Not not much probably, but you know, he might like
Speaker 1: to choose, you know, where he plays next Tampa, you know,
Speaker 1: four oh, he wants to replace Antonio, who knows. I
Speaker 1: kind of buy it, though, I kind of. I also
Speaker 1: buy that he won't be healthy, so that it's not
Speaker 1: like I think it's it's wrong. He's thirty five years
Speaker 1: old and no one at his size. I've I've never
Speaker 1: seen take a pounding that he has throughout his career,
Speaker 1: from the first from his first year. I was always
Speaker 1: amazing to me um that he's lasted and been as
Speaker 1: durable as he has until this point. In other news,
Speaker 1: ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that multiple teams have contacted the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons about acquiring the number four pick in draft.
Speaker 1: Schefter added that the team is open to moving out
Speaker 1: of that spot as we know the way the draft
Speaker 1: board is set up and almost certainly will play out
Speaker 1: with QBS going one, two, and three. The Falcon don't
Speaker 1: have an immediate need at quarterback with Matt Ryan, but
Speaker 1: he uh is in his mid thirties. They could use
Speaker 1: a guy that's the future. But also makes sense Mark
Speaker 1: that they would potentially trade away the pick if they
Speaker 1: got a big time godfather offered, because it looks like
Speaker 1: that's the highest available pick. Uh. The Niners, Jets, and
Speaker 1: Jaguars aren't going anywhere. Yeah, I mean, I guess like
Speaker 1: why not take the calls? I mean there were other
Speaker 1: whispers of the Falcons internally sort of felt like, well,
Speaker 1: if we're going to take a quarterback of our own,
Speaker 1: assuming that you're gonna be at number four every year
Speaker 1: is not the way you do business. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: um there, They're in a valuable space themselves. The only
Speaker 1: thing I think about if it's not quarterback, because you've
Speaker 1: got the Bengals at number five, who obviously have their quarterback.
Speaker 1: And if the Falcons um took a quarterback of their
Speaker 1: own or someone else did, that number five spot becomes
Speaker 1: the first place where Cincinnati can pick one of the
Speaker 1: incredible skill position players, uh, the best available. And so
Speaker 1: would someone ever want to hop scotch Cincinnati knowing they're
Speaker 1: gonna do that, um to get a wide receiver of
Speaker 1: their choice or fill in the blank. That's all I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's quarterback. It's just a safe way to think, UM,
Speaker 1: and that could be a number of teams. But with
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, like am I going to be
Speaker 1: up at three in the morning, um, pondering this and
Speaker 1: you know, fretting over it. Now, let's just see what happens.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll know more a couple of weeks from now.
Speaker 1: It is the It is kind of the intrigue with
Speaker 1: this draft, I think, because I guess there's a chance
Speaker 1: San Francisco doesn't take Matt mac Jones, but it looks
Speaker 1: like the intrigue. And you know, there was a report
Speaker 1: I'm was surprised by this that the GM Chris Mortenson said,
Speaker 1: the GM of Atlanta kind of likes Trey Lance, I believe,
Speaker 1: you know, or is looking at quarterback, whereas Arthur Smith
Speaker 1: is kind of all in a like he's down with
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan and and so they're trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1: Them taking mac Jones at three really would be wild
Speaker 1: because I think in according to Chris Charlie Castlele's poll
Speaker 1: of like executives and then our friend DJ was coming on,
Speaker 1: Trey Lance and Fields are ranked way ahead of those guys.
Speaker 1: In most people's eyes. DJ has those two in the
Speaker 1: top eight of all of his players. So if you're
Speaker 1: a team like the Lions or the Panthers or the Patriots,
Speaker 1: certainly you've got to be looking at this like where
Speaker 1: do I need to move up to get Fields or Lance?
Speaker 1: If if I like those guys. Very intriguing. In other news,
Speaker 1: the Rams uh there general manager less Need said he
Speaker 1: believes Matthew Stafford, their new quarterback, is going to be
Speaker 1: there anywhere between five and eight years. Seems nice. Thirty
Speaker 1: three years old, Stafford is I mean if he if
Speaker 1: he if he went on the long side of U
Speaker 1: Sneed's uh projection, he's the quarterback in his forties, which
Speaker 1: this assumption that all quarterbacks now could play in their
Speaker 1: forties just seems kind of silly to me. Also silly
Speaker 1: the idea of what the team. What's the famous John
Speaker 1: Lennon quote, life is what happens to you while you're
Speaker 1: busy making other plans. The assumption here that Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: will stay healthy enough and his body will cooperate. That
Speaker 1: what it comes down to. I think he'll he has
Speaker 1: the skill set to thrive, and I think he will
Speaker 1: in this Sean McVeigh system. But any thoughts that he's
Speaker 1: a long term solution, you're not gonna know until that
Speaker 1: body where he's had back issues, he just had thumb surgery. Um,
Speaker 1: is that going to hold up in the long term.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a dicey proposition and and Snead really
Speaker 1: bet his job on it here. I think by bringing
Speaker 1: in Stafford, I mean I would just say this though,
Speaker 1: in terms of like how you really want to create
Speaker 1: like a stunning headline. What if they traded multiple picks
Speaker 1: in the third round pick and their starting quarterback for
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford and less Snee said, we think he'll start
Speaker 1: here for two years like people would go nuts. So
Speaker 1: it's like over projecting and saying he's got he's our guy,
Speaker 1: um deep into the future. We've made the right choice.
Speaker 1: Like you know, of course he's gonna tilt towards the longevity.
Speaker 1: I mean it is a two year deal. He's he
Speaker 1: they inherited two years and forty three million on the contract, right,
Speaker 1: But you know that feels like what the NFL is now.
Speaker 1: Everything is just two year projection and then you reevaluate.
Speaker 1: I'm just you wouldn't pitch it that way to the
Speaker 1: to to a like a a frisky reporter. I mean,
Speaker 1: they re something else with it or or and I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's what they're hoping for, or to you know,
Speaker 1: season ticket holders. They're trying to sell some tickets. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know they want to think of Stafford as their
Speaker 1: long term going. I'm sure that's what they want. I
Speaker 1: mean they also said Jared Goff was there forever quarterback
Speaker 1: like a lot that they that that McVeigh and Goff
Speaker 1: were tied a hip. The only thing with like thinking
Speaker 1: guys can play great into like their late forties. Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: is an exception, but the other guys who have done
Speaker 1: all that are all time greats. It's like, yeah, Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers are aging well,
Speaker 1: but they were incredible. They were like coming off of
Speaker 1: an incredible spot. Like you can't expect the suping that
Speaker 1: all these guys. I mean, do you could even make
Speaker 1: the case that if you were building a roster of
Speaker 1: all time goods, Matthew Staffords might be that quarterback? Like
Speaker 1: so I think he is. He's proven over his the
Speaker 1: first eleven twelve years of his career that he's, you know,
Speaker 1: rock solid, franchise started quarterback. But is he one of
Speaker 1: the great players in NFL history? Well not yet anyway. UM.
Speaker 1: In other news, Peter King's Monday Night UH Monday Morning
Speaker 1: Quarterback column, he wrote about, uh some of the uh
Speaker 1: new wrinkles to the schedule after the c B A
Speaker 1: was signed, sealed and delivered and the new TV Dale
Speaker 1: new TV deals came together. Uh this year. That second
Speaker 1: game in Week one on Monday Night is history, the
Speaker 1: one that famously had for some reason, throwing Chris Berman
Speaker 1: a bone and they were. They were having him in
Speaker 1: the booth here and a big bowel bottom and not
Speaker 1: knowing who anybody was. Um that second game is off
Speaker 1: the books now. But for ESPN, who always hosted those games,
Speaker 1: it's a win because what they did was there's a
Speaker 1: Saturday Week eighteen double header that ESPN gets, and I
Speaker 1: believe those are flexible games, which means they will have
Speaker 1: playoff ramifications. And that feels like a big w because
Speaker 1: it's good for us. You're in California. But that second
Speaker 1: game on Monday night in week one was starting at
Speaker 1: like ten fifteen at night for people on the East
Speaker 1: coast exactly. I always I liked them, but I A
Speaker 1: you also were if it wasn't a good game, you
Speaker 1: would you would feel the effects, you would feel the
Speaker 1: effects of the previous day and a half. And you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been waiting all off season for one game,
Speaker 1: and now it's like I'm just you know, it's too
Speaker 1: it's almost too much. That Saturday night though, mid January.
Speaker 1: That sounds fun. That sounds pretty good that that that
Speaker 1: end of the season, Slate's gonna be challenging. Um an interest,
Speaker 1: like it's just gonna be a lot of Saturdays. That's
Speaker 1: where NFL Network is gonna get in the mix too.
Speaker 1: You know, some of the international games, but also the
Speaker 1: Saturday games, but this little Saturday night doubleheader. Get ready, Mark,
Speaker 1: say goodbye to your family. I mean, I've been doing
Speaker 1: this for long enough where I presume that there's a
Speaker 1: massive chunk of every year that is UM oriented towards
Speaker 1: one thing football and football is family. They tell me.
Speaker 1: I could argue that it's not always that um, but
Speaker 1: it's a it's a massive upgrade because a lot of times,
Speaker 1: if you look at what the second Monday night game
Speaker 1: has been, I think they know to your point that
Speaker 1: half the country is, you know, getting to bed at
Speaker 1: that point, that they've not been marquee scenarios, but that's
Speaker 1: Saturday scenario will be used to make it into two
Speaker 1: contests that no one can steer their eyes away from. Finally,
Speaker 1: in the news, this from the New York Post, Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones this week, along with several Giants offensive players, wide receivers,
Speaker 1: tight ends, and even a few linemen, travel to Phoenix
Speaker 1: for a few days of throwing sessions. The Monday to
Speaker 1: Friday workouts organized entirely by Daniel Jones will be the
Speaker 1: first unofficial work on the field in advance. Yeah, baby,
Speaker 1: that's also our first trope alert offseason trop let trot
Speaker 1: the trope alert, and this one is a well worn
Speaker 1: uh the veteran quarterback on maybe shaky ground organizing a
Speaker 1: throwing sessh uh and making sure the media knows about
Speaker 1: it to show that he's a leader on the rise
Speaker 1: and everything is fine. I mean, isn't that technically Giants West?
Speaker 1: If they were gonna name Jets camps that happened west
Speaker 1: of the Missisipi Mississippi Jets West for all those they
Speaker 1: trademarked that the Giants couldn't touch it. It was two.
Speaker 1: It was too perfect. That's not how Jets Giants things work.
Speaker 1: But I like it when there it's like a quarterback competition.
Speaker 1: This isn't the case in New York, but when there's
Speaker 1: the starting jobs up for gaps of one of them
Speaker 1: does the the off season thing like that's a power move,
Speaker 1: and then the other quarters because it decides, like when
Speaker 1: it was Santez Tebow. Tebow could just show up, but
Speaker 1: you know when it when it's two guys are someone equal,
Speaker 1: then the backup the other quarterback has to be like, shoot,
Speaker 1: do I have to show up at this guy's quarterback thing?
Speaker 1: I guess I do? Or else, like the guys do
Speaker 1: you have to organize my own? And if I realize
Speaker 1: my own will like, well, Darius Layton come to mine.
Speaker 1: And then you've got to pay for it. The quarterback
Speaker 1: pays for a lot of this stuff. So that's that's
Speaker 1: why that's the sneaky hidden value of signing Mike Glennon
Speaker 1: as your backup. You know he's not throwing any camp.
Speaker 1: It's like Mike will see you in July or whatever.
Speaker 1: And just if you if you're new to the podcast
Speaker 1: or you know, just starting to understand how the off
Speaker 1: season works when we get to because it's gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a return of O t A s. It
Speaker 1: looks like in traditional UH mini camps and rookie camps
Speaker 1: and then of course training camp in July, uh and August.
Speaker 1: Some training camp tropes to look out for Draft bust
Speaker 1: X looks like he's ready to turn the corner. New
Speaker 1: quarterback wide receiver tandem display, undeniable chemistry player X. I'm
Speaker 1: better now than I was before devastating lower body injury.
Speaker 1: Second year player X, the game has slowed down for me,
Speaker 1: soft soft spoken star ready to take on recently vacated
Speaker 1: leadership roles. That's just a tease of what's to come
Speaker 1: and what to keep an eye out on. And my
Speaker 1: job to you, the listener, is to make sure all
Speaker 1: of it is documented ahead of season. You can count
Speaker 1: on me. That's what's happening in the news. Alright, Time
Speaker 1: for our special guest. And you know, listen, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's not just that he knows it's his time of year.
Speaker 1: He knows that we know it's his time of year.
Speaker 1: And that's what hurts the most. Daniel Jeremiah. We really
Speaker 1: we're happy to have you. Well, Dan, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: It's great to be with you. Uh, Cessler, it's great
Speaker 1: to see if Pal. I do appreciate Greg waking up
Speaker 1: three minutes before this segment started. Greg, it's great to
Speaker 1: see you as well. Pal. I've been here the whole time.
Speaker 1: I've been you know, way in sharpening my knives. I've
Speaker 1: been ready for this for a year. This is this
Speaker 1: is Greg. This is either like this Hollywood style, you know,
Speaker 1: gesle neck influenced hairstyle you're going with or it's I
Speaker 1: just woke up five minutes ago and I think I'm
Speaker 1: leaning towards the ladder. I showered. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: here for your like last appearance on NFL Network before
Speaker 1: you you know, you follow Mike Mayock out the door.
Speaker 1: A lot of speculation, a lot of speculation about DJ
Speaker 1: and and that goes back when Joe Douglas got hired
Speaker 1: as jam as of the Jets. It was all over
Speaker 1: the place and DJ had to come out and say no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no no. I love my job at NFL Network.
Speaker 1: I love working for the Chargers. But that you know,
Speaker 1: on that subject on Joe Douglas, and let's get into
Speaker 1: it here, D j M. Because you do have a
Speaker 1: relationship with Joe Douglas. You worked in football circles with him,
Speaker 1: your buddies, and he just made a huge move in
Speaker 1: this draft where maybe he didn't make a huge move,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of ramifications there. Trade Sam Donald,
Speaker 1: You're at number two, and I have I have to
Speaker 1: ask this because you don't make this trade, right, DJ,
Speaker 1: of Sam Donald and then most likely to stay at
Speaker 1: number two and less you're pretty sure Zach Wilson or
Speaker 1: the quarterback you're gonna take probably Zack Wilson is a
Speaker 1: can't miss prospect because on the other side of it, DJ,
Speaker 1: this is like a once in ten, once or twenty
Speaker 1: years leverage situation in the draft in terms of where
Speaker 1: he was. How hard do you think this decision was
Speaker 1: to stay it too, if that is indeed what ends
Speaker 1: up happening. Well, I don't necessarily think it was hard,
Speaker 1: because when you have conviction on a player at that position,
Speaker 1: there's really you're not gonna be swayed. I mean to me,
Speaker 1: it would have taken a monumental hall of picks, uh,
Speaker 1: much more than even we saw take place with that
Speaker 1: San Francisco Miami trade to consider getting out of number
Speaker 1: two if you believe in the quarterback, because not only
Speaker 1: do you feel like you've got somebody with tremendous talent
Speaker 1: coming in, you restart, you reset the clock, and financially
Speaker 1: it's such a boon. And it would be one thing
Speaker 1: if the Jets, you know, just had their seven picks
Speaker 1: in this draft and seven picks in next year's draft,
Speaker 1: and you say, man, look at all the holes on
Speaker 1: this roster, how are we ever going to fill all
Speaker 1: of them? But they're in a situation due to to
Speaker 1: the trades. And you look at Jamal Adams and Leonard Williams,
Speaker 1: some of the trades they've made. The hall of picks,
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty one picks over the next two years,
Speaker 1: so they can get the quarterback at two. Uh. Now
Speaker 1: you move on from Sam Donald and you've got a
Speaker 1: ton of picks where you can fill in around him.
Speaker 1: And I always like to, you know, point out when
Speaker 1: we're talking about Sam like he did not get a
Speaker 1: fair shake there. I'm a Sam Donald believer. I loved
Speaker 1: him coming into the draft. You guys know that, um
Speaker 1: and I still think he's got a chance to be successful.
Speaker 1: But he didn't have the infrastructure in place to succeed
Speaker 1: with the Jets. And I think the focus for the
Speaker 1: Jets is to make sure that that is in place
Speaker 1: for the next quarterback who who you know, I really
Speaker 1: believe it's gonna be Zack Wilson. All right, So DJ,
Speaker 1: let's just say that you were a GM, or let's
Speaker 1: say you were inside the body of John Lynch the GM,
Speaker 1: and I would love that. I would I would swap.
Speaker 1: I used to work out with John Lynch when I
Speaker 1: was in college, when he was in the NFL, John
Speaker 1: Lynch was there, Tony Boselli was there, and I can
Speaker 1: tell you that was the peak of my athletic existence.
Speaker 1: Um and uh, I would say, John Lynch right now,
Speaker 1: after you know, going into the Hall of Fame and
Speaker 1: been retired for several years, it's still light years ahead
Speaker 1: of where I was at my peak. So if you
Speaker 1: want to swap me out with John, I'm happy to
Speaker 1: do that. It's still a little weird, though. Now that's
Speaker 1: DJ's way of always been working in that he was
Speaker 1: a QB one of a D one program. He gets
Speaker 1: it into every segment he does, got even get it.
Speaker 1: But if I'm almatching the lower third, really be impressed.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, you want to be inside John Lynch's body, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that just seems weird. Be happy with
Speaker 1: who you are. I think in this case, let's say
Speaker 1: you control his brain, all right, and we we've got
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence going to Jacksonville, Zack Wilson with his nice
Speaker 1: little hair going to the Jets, and then we've got
Speaker 1: number three. What do you do do? What? Who do
Speaker 1: you pick as the forty Niners quarterback? Who is the
Speaker 1: third best quarterback in this draft. To me, I think
Speaker 1: it's a it's a close call um for me personally,
Speaker 1: between Trey Lance from North Dakota State and Justin Fields
Speaker 1: from Ohio State. Um, those to me are the next
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in line. And I would have Mac Jones five.
Speaker 1: Now in terms of who I would take, well, I
Speaker 1: have I have Trey Lance one spot ahead of Justin
Speaker 1: But they're gonna be, you know, afforded the luxury I
Speaker 1: don't have, which is to spend a ton of time
Speaker 1: with these two kids, uh, to see you know, who
Speaker 1: they're most comfortable with. I I don't know that there's
Speaker 1: a wrong decision between those two because the upside is
Speaker 1: so tremendous. And if I'm if I'm Kyle Shanahan and
Speaker 1: John Lynch, I want to take my offense from where
Speaker 1: it is and take it to New heights. And in
Speaker 1: order to do that, I've got to get somebody that
Speaker 1: can expand what we do. To me, that would be
Speaker 1: one of the one of the two options between those
Speaker 1: two guys. But everything we hear is everything points towards
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. And that's how I know do mock drafts
Speaker 1: and and uh, and that's what you hear around the
Speaker 1: league is the expectation is that will be Mac Jones
Speaker 1: with the third pick, which I'll throw it back to
Speaker 1: you guys because, uh, Dan, I know you've heard this
Speaker 1: a million times. How many times you heard the cliche
Speaker 1: if it's you know, it's about the Jimmy's and Joe's
Speaker 1: not the exs and ohs, Well, this is a decision.
Speaker 1: If they take Mac Jones, that is the exact opposite.
Speaker 1: This is all about their offense and their system versus
Speaker 1: the talent of the player you're gonna select. To say
Speaker 1: you shouldn't do though, are just supposed to take the
Speaker 1: best out player and all that. Yeah, yeah, I I
Speaker 1: That's what I would do, and that's how I was
Speaker 1: brought up with with the Ravens way of doing business.
Speaker 1: But you look at a team like the you know,
Speaker 1: Greg's team, You look at what happened in New England.
Speaker 1: They just draft players that fit them. And if they
Speaker 1: take a guy in the second round that the rest
Speaker 1: of the league thinks is a sixth round pick, they
Speaker 1: don't care because they feel like he fits what we
Speaker 1: do and he's gonna be able to do what we
Speaker 1: ask him to do. So um, it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of that thought process. I don't agree with that. It
Speaker 1: to me, I just want to get the most talented people,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna work around what they do and not
Speaker 1: be quite as married to everything that I've traditionally done. Um.
Speaker 1: But that's that's how they operate. It's partly why I
Speaker 1: don't totally want to believe it. Like I don't want
Speaker 1: to kill the forty niners for this pick or think
Speaker 1: about it until I see it. We still have another
Speaker 1: Justin Fields pro day. Um, Trey Lance seems like you
Speaker 1: doing with Trey Lance too right. I think they'll he
Speaker 1: would kind of be perfect in that system, especially for
Speaker 1: a for a situation where maybe you play Jimmy garoppolo
Speaker 1: for a year or see how that goes, and you
Speaker 1: have trade. Let you have four quarterbacks in your top eight,
Speaker 1: I mean, and Mac Jones is nowhere near that? Does it?
Speaker 1: Does that mean in at least the years you're doing this,
Speaker 1: this has to be the best quarterback class you've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine you've ever had four quarterbacks in your
Speaker 1: top eight. It's not like you think Trey Lance and
Speaker 1: Justin Fields are interesting. You think you're that you think
Speaker 1: there are two of the top eight players in this draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're really talented. I think all four of
Speaker 1: these guys at the top are are tremendously talented. Now
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a different year, Greg and
Speaker 1: that you look at some of the other positions, like
Speaker 1: we don't have you know, the edge rushers that you
Speaker 1: would see, you know, typically eat up spots in the
Speaker 1: top ten. We don't have that this year. We've got
Speaker 1: some good corners and some good tackles, but in my
Speaker 1: opinion that the tackle group is not what it was
Speaker 1: last year with that group. So um, those are the
Speaker 1: positions that usually you know, secure spots in the top
Speaker 1: ten and without those this year, to me, you look
Speaker 1: at you see a bunch of quarterbacks, you see a
Speaker 1: bunch of wide receivers. That's just kind of what this
Speaker 1: draft has given us. But yeah, I think these four
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and and pretty much any draft year would would
Speaker 1: be highly coveted because the again, the ceiling is so high,
Speaker 1: because these guys are so athletic and uh and just
Speaker 1: big time arm talents. So um, yeah, that to me,
Speaker 1: mac is is behind those guys. But if you know,
Speaker 1: four and irons don't care what I think. They don't
Speaker 1: care what the other thirty one teams things. They're just
Speaker 1: trying to find the guy that best fits them, and
Speaker 1: everything you hear seems to be pointing towards mac So
Speaker 1: moving off the quarterbacks for a moment here, So you
Speaker 1: have right now Kyle Pitts the Florida tight end uh
Speaker 1: going at number five, and it seems like the way
Speaker 1: you wrote it up on NFL dot Com, if the
Speaker 1: Bengals don't take them at five, the Dolphins makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense at six. And then he do that
Speaker 1: research and and I'll just name them right now. These
Speaker 1: are the first round tight ends in the last ten
Speaker 1: eleven years. T J. Hockinson, Noah Fan, Hayden Hurst, O. J. Howard, At,
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, David and Joku, Eric Ebron, Tyler Eifert, Jermaine Gresham,
Speaker 1: who has taken twenty one picks ahead of Grunk in
Speaker 1: two thousand ten. The one thing they all have in
Speaker 1: common is none of those guys are stars. And I
Speaker 1: guess my question to you DJ, with pits a a
Speaker 1: a hot draft prospect and a unicorn and all that
Speaker 1: is like, how come there's no can't miss tight ends
Speaker 1: or there hasn't been in a long time. Well, I
Speaker 1: would answer that a couple of ways. First of all,
Speaker 1: if you're uncomfortable looking at that list of tight ends,
Speaker 1: fine just put w R next to his name and
Speaker 1: draft Kyle Pitch is a wide receiver, you play m
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, you'd be happy with him at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Is a top fifteen type player. Uh. Second point I
Speaker 1: would make is I have a higher grade on him
Speaker 1: than all those those tight ends that you mentioned so
Speaker 1: to me, and it's not even close with with where
Speaker 1: he is in terms of the talent that he has.
Speaker 1: And I would the third point that I would make
Speaker 1: in Sessler, I know you can probably back me up
Speaker 1: on this um and I know life has taken a
Speaker 1: terrible turn for this person. But if you go back
Speaker 1: and somebody who wasn't doing popping leaves in a in
Speaker 1: a strip mall parking lot as a tight end, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't be talking about that type of impact of taking
Speaker 1: a tight end in the top ten. Because this kid
Speaker 1: is to me, he's he's a better receiver and route
Speaker 1: runner uh than Kellen Winslow. Kell Winslow maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit better blocker, but he was to me he would
Speaker 1: have had a phenomenal career until everything went way off course.
Speaker 1: I mean, you remember that one season that Winslow had,
Speaker 1: and that's an interesting comparison. I have a little bit
Speaker 1: of an off the radar question for you. I just
Speaker 1: was thinking about this. You're in touch with everyone. Have
Speaker 1: you had like a one on one phone conversation with
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick or is he is that remained an untouchable
Speaker 1: territory for you? No? Well, first of all, if I had,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure I would not be allowed to
Speaker 1: divulge that I had, But honestly, I haven't. So, Uh,
Speaker 1: the only talks I've ever had with Coach Belichick is
Speaker 1: when he's coming to the booth at the Combine, usually
Speaker 1: to give Rich a check for St. Jude, and uh,
Speaker 1: we visited a little bit, but that's uh, that that's
Speaker 1: about it. So I've been fortunate to make a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, new friends and new contacts since they
Speaker 1: went over the media side. But Coach Belichick is still
Speaker 1: he's still outside of arms reached for me here, So
Speaker 1: I'm bummed about that one. But you're kind of wearing
Speaker 1: like a Belichick inspired outfit here, just like a T
Speaker 1: shirt and like an open and like, are you going
Speaker 1: to work out later or what's going on here? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, Ricky Schroeder, I don't know. I mean, do
Speaker 1: I go getta workout in later? Maybe? Um, but I
Speaker 1: didn't cut the sleeves off. If I would have cut
Speaker 1: the sleeves off, maybe I could go with that. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, Look, Gregg does the stylus, by the way,
Speaker 1: just to clear that up, he doesn't. He didn't well,
Speaker 1: he didn't even give you. Remind Gregg. I want to
Speaker 1: remind Gregg of one thing, Dan. The structure has a
Speaker 1: thirty day return policy, so if the jacket doesn't feel great,
Speaker 1: you still have a few more days where you can
Speaker 1: return it. I was gonna say classic, classic DJ wholesome Zinger.
Speaker 1: They're using a reference from like an eighties sitcom that
Speaker 1: that no one except DJ and his his twenty seven children.
Speaker 1: He had a train that went around the family room.
Speaker 1: A great show, A great show. Greg wasn't even playing that.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. I call I called DJ the
Speaker 1: wholesome Assassin for takedowns just like that. And he didn't
Speaker 1: even let you go with Ricky Schroeder, Greggy or Rick
Speaker 1: Schroder with his NYPD Blue Days, he ding down the
Speaker 1: Silver Spoons, Ricky Schroeder in the biggest some of Alfonso
Speaker 1: Rivero's greatest work. By the way, this is not just
Speaker 1: like an America's Funniest Home Videos and Jason Bateman on
Speaker 1: that show where it started. Jason Bateman, correct, All right,
Speaker 1: let's move back into the two thousand twenties. What out mark?
Speaker 1: You got something else for DJ I would look at
Speaker 1: when you look at guys like a J. C. Horne
Speaker 1: and as Sante Samuel Jr. Are we do these players
Speaker 1: get too much attention because their legacies, their sons of
Speaker 1: great players, or are they actually like I am annoyed,
Speaker 1: for instance, when the Browns passed up on Clay Matthews
Speaker 1: and when they passed up on like J. J. Watts's brother.
Speaker 1: It's like, shouldn't something about their DNA tell us they're
Speaker 1: just gonna be ready for action? And on top of it,
Speaker 1: if you were the son of a pro player, you
Speaker 1: know the life, like why does some of these teams
Speaker 1: pass up on what I think would be more home
Speaker 1: run prospects? Or am I just out and left field
Speaker 1: with that concept? Well? Not not to go back to
Speaker 1: the eighties, before dj answers. But remember jose Consaco. There
Speaker 1: was Ozzi Conseco too. I know it doesn't always work out.
Speaker 1: I would go father's son, more of the Navy brother brother.
Speaker 1: So it's I'm glad you guys brought that up because
Speaker 1: that Ozzi Consaco's name has come up in the draft
Speaker 1: room where we were talking about a player who had
Speaker 1: who had a successful brother father. Can't remember exactly what
Speaker 1: it was, and this, and somebody in the draft room
Speaker 1: was making the case. You know, it's the genes. You know,
Speaker 1: these guy's got the jeans da da. And one of
Speaker 1: the other scouts in the room said, look, this guy
Speaker 1: is a little more Azzi Consaco than he is Jose
Speaker 1: Can And then another guy in the room piped up
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, this is more Randy Quaid than Dennis Quaid.
Speaker 1: Let's not get carried away here. I'm gon take no offense.
Speaker 1: Be cousin. Eddie was a great role, but I just
Speaker 1: think the acting Chops is a little different. Yeah that's there,
Speaker 1: that's fair. But you're but you're a fan of these corners.
Speaker 1: You're a fan of these corps. I like them. Got
Speaker 1: it right to me. Yeah, I look if if it's close.
Speaker 1: That can be something that's a tiebreaker between a couple players,
Speaker 1: because I know this guy's he's just been taught how
Speaker 1: to be a professional. You know, since he was a kid.
Speaker 1: He's been around it. I think it's not specific just
Speaker 1: a football you know, you see it in baseball with
Speaker 1: a lot of the great players who are sons. I
Speaker 1: think you have Vladimir Carrero Jr. You've got tattoos Um,
Speaker 1: You've got Bishett, You've got b g O. Like, there's
Speaker 1: all these sons of players now that are in the
Speaker 1: major leagues, and I think you see the same thing
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Um So, these guys, to me, they've
Speaker 1: been around it, that there'll be a pro um. The
Speaker 1: other thing I would point out is I think it's
Speaker 1: fascinating some of the advice I've always tried to give
Speaker 1: young players, like high school players going to college is
Speaker 1: every year in the draft, we have a wide receiver list.
Speaker 1: It's it's a million names long, and you're trying to
Speaker 1: cut off the list at some point time, like there's
Speaker 1: just a million of them, and the DV list, the
Speaker 1: corner list. We're trying to create guys to push them up. Um.
Speaker 1: So if you've got the option. As a high school athlete,
Speaker 1: you're a five star athlete, you've got a choice. Go
Speaker 1: play defense. Man, it's a it's an easier route to
Speaker 1: travel if you're a big, tall athletic kid. Get out
Speaker 1: of that long line in the wide receiver group and
Speaker 1: go over to to the corner group. And all these
Speaker 1: sons of athletes. You notice they're not dumb. They're not
Speaker 1: They're not asking their kids to play wide receiver. Go
Speaker 1: play corner um. And we're seeing him come out and droves. Mmm.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm teaching my son Walker at the beach.
Speaker 1: He likes playing cornerback too. I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: gonna be tall, but he could be feisty, he could
Speaker 1: be mean. Now that's like I'm getting like a nickel
Speaker 1: Robie Coleman vibe here. Greg. I think that's what we're
Speaker 1: working with. And that's great, man, let's do it. I
Speaker 1: would take that, you know, nice NFL career. Help his
Speaker 1: dad retire, that would be terrific. There's like a lot
Speaker 1: of small cornerbacks wide receivers rather in this class too.
Speaker 1: I'm sort of struck by how maybe the same physical
Speaker 1: requirements aren't the same at the position. You know, we
Speaker 1: know DeVante Smith, but even Jamar Chase is a guy
Speaker 1: who has talked about as sort of a can't miss
Speaker 1: I don't know about generational, but kind of the guy
Speaker 1: in this class. And yet he's not a guy necessarily
Speaker 1: that you think is big and tall. He's definitely strong
Speaker 1: or is definitely gonna run like a fast Bardy And really,
Speaker 1: this entire class, it seems like a lot like how
Speaker 1: is that position and especially the top how do you
Speaker 1: separate these guys when maybe they're not as physically dominant
Speaker 1: as some top receivers in the past. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: good point, I mean, and normally when you have guys
Speaker 1: go in the top ten, you're talking about some heightweight, speed,
Speaker 1: guys you know, big time check all those boxes and
Speaker 1: prototype size. When you think of DeAndre Johnson's, the Larry FitzGeralds,
Speaker 1: that Calvin Johnson's, uh, those type of players. And uh,
Speaker 1: this year we have a bunch of really good receivers,
Speaker 1: but we don't have many of the big guys. I
Speaker 1: mean even last year you go back, you know, outside
Speaker 1: the first round, you saw Michael Pittman, Uh, we saw Claypool,
Speaker 1: you had Tee Higgins. Like we had a MEM's there
Speaker 1: was a bunch of those bigger, power forward type receivers.
Speaker 1: Um this year, it's more about speed and quickness, and
Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase is unique to me because even though he's
Speaker 1: a six footer pound guy, he plays big like he
Speaker 1: goes up and gets the football um and plays above
Speaker 1: the rim, and then you get the route running and
Speaker 1: the run after catch stuff that comes along with it.
Speaker 1: So while that's not traditionally what we see go in
Speaker 1: the top ten, to me, he's he's a little bit
Speaker 1: of an outlier in that regard and he's gonna come
Speaker 1: off the board real quick. And then after him you
Speaker 1: get kind of the debate between the Alabama guys with
Speaker 1: Wattle and Smith. You know Smith, much is made about
Speaker 1: the frame um, But to me, when you look at
Speaker 1: the way the games played right now at the NFL level,
Speaker 1: with the lack of you know, contact in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field, it's not as big of an issue.
Speaker 1: And people say, oh, how's he gonna get off pressed
Speaker 1: he's not a big strong guy. Well, you can't really
Speaker 1: get your hands on him either, because he's so quick.
Speaker 1: He's a real sliddery type athlete. So he just there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of surface area to press. Um, so
Speaker 1: I think he'll be fine. And then Waddle is somebody
Speaker 1: that's gonna get over the top, and somebody that's he's
Speaker 1: the fastest guy in college football. So when you look
Speaker 1: at all the GPS numbers that the teams have in
Speaker 1: terms of wide receivers, I should say his GPS numbers
Speaker 1: were at the top of the list. I have a little, tiny,
Speaker 1: one word a question that will require a one word answer,
Speaker 1: like what you you grind through this tape at an
Speaker 1: impressive degree? Um? Is there one position group? Because I
Speaker 1: know when I've watched all twenty two sometimes I'm just
Speaker 1: being real here. It's like I gotta turn some music
Speaker 1: on because it will send me right into dreamland. If
Speaker 1: you're if you allowed to go on for too long?
Speaker 1: Is there our position group that puts you to sleep
Speaker 1: more than any other? But you're just saying this is
Speaker 1: not as enticing and engaging to watch. He only gets
Speaker 1: a one word answer on this, so well, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't want to you know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: long the segment is. You can answer as long as
Speaker 1: you want. The time is valuable. He's gonna start charging
Speaker 1: us per minute. Pretty soon you're hilarious. Uh me, it's
Speaker 1: different for everybody. Everybody has a different position that they
Speaker 1: don't enjoy. For me, it's safety, um, and really more
Speaker 1: so over the last ten years when you were first,
Speaker 1: when you first start scotting, I started, oh three, there
Speaker 1: was a little bit more of traditional offense in college,
Speaker 1: so you had a better you just had a better sense.
Speaker 1: You saw a lot more things developing down the field, um,
Speaker 1: and you could see these guys read and react well.
Speaker 1: The college game now you see so much rpo game,
Speaker 1: You see so many slants and bubble screens that you
Speaker 1: can go through three games on a safety and you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what this guy can do. He's you know,
Speaker 1: fourteen yards deep and it's just a bunch of slants
Speaker 1: and bubble screens. Like and it literally you start rolling
Speaker 1: through these guys and until I got the ability with
Speaker 1: you know, with the technology to be able to sort
Speaker 1: cut ups where I can look at every play they're
Speaker 1: involved in. So instead of just watching three games, I
Speaker 1: can see every time they were kind of in the
Speaker 1: vicinity of the football over an entire season. Um. It
Speaker 1: makes it easier, but it still feels like to give
Speaker 1: myself a I think this would be a nineties reference,
Speaker 1: maybe early two thousand's. You remember the eminem video where
Speaker 1: there's just all the Eminem's like, you know, walking around
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yes, once you get outside the first two
Speaker 1: rounds and you start watching safeties, like after the seventh one,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the difference between this guy and the
Speaker 1: previous four guys that I just watched? Uh? I gets
Speaker 1: little challenging, that's fair, and and thank you so much
Speaker 1: of your time, DJ before you go. I just want
Speaker 1: to because you are the son of a preacher and
Speaker 1: you're the wholesome assassin and all that, But just be
Speaker 1: real with us. Would you rather got thirty two for
Speaker 1: thirty two in your mock or have keyper or Mixshaye
Speaker 1: go o for thirty two? Just be honest? Oh wow,
Speaker 1: Uh you know what I would say? I would I
Speaker 1: would I would rather go thirty two for thirty two.
Speaker 1: But the real answer is I just don't care. I
Speaker 1: really don't care about the mock draft and people get
Speaker 1: so worked up about it. That's why I just kind
Speaker 1: of laugh. Man, Like I miss on players and we
Speaker 1: have fun with them all the time of the guys
Speaker 1: that I miss on in terms of my evaluation and
Speaker 1: and you know, okay that that's like, okay, I need
Speaker 1: to learn and get better from those mistakes. But like
Speaker 1: mock drafts whatever. Yeah, if you're listening to executives like that,
Speaker 1: that sounds like a guy that might be doing his
Speaker 1: last mock draft. And I'm just saying, uh no, you
Speaker 1: can want and turn into a pumpkin man once we
Speaker 1: get through with this draft, not worried about mini camps
Speaker 1: and sweating it. Whether this guy picked in the first
Speaker 1: round is gonna come in here and look like a
Speaker 1: ball im I'm going on vacation. Yeah, we won't see
Speaker 1: DJ until he's in the booth at the stadium in Inglewood.
Speaker 1: All right, you can watch DJ and the entire NFL
Speaker 1: Draft on NFL Network starting Thursday, April night at eight
Speaker 1: p m. Eastern. Yeah it hurts, but it made the
Speaker 1: show better. DJ. Thank you for joining us. I appreciate
Speaker 1: It's always great to be with you guys and Greg.
Speaker 1: Don't forget it also comes with a coupon for Express
Speaker 1: With that Jackets will get your wife something nice. Good
Speaker 1: to know. Well, thanks DJ, There he goes. D J
Speaker 1: said it all even though Structure they rebranded and Structure
Speaker 1: became Express for men. UM. But you know, Greg, it
Speaker 1: was on his radar some of your style. Let's just
Speaker 1: put it that way. Yeah, I always I always worry,
Speaker 1: could you know we're gonna place some of that on
Speaker 1: on the around the NFL broadcast. People should check out
Speaker 1: our show on Fridays as always. And you know, I
Speaker 1: always wonder, like how how are those clothing? You know,
Speaker 1: insults gonna pop on a on a podcast. But I
Speaker 1: guess it's just a sign that DJ doesn't really understand
Speaker 1: the medium. You know, he's not a podcaster. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: one day he will be. Yeah, it'd be good, it definitely. Um.
Speaker 1: We received a flurry of texts from Greg after about
Speaker 1: the whole thing, so he was a little annoyed. I
Speaker 1: think he can go to your skin a little bit
Speaker 1: maybe and vice versa. I'm not sure. Maybe are you
Speaker 1: being serious? Not at all? Not, We're not being serious
Speaker 1: at all. Everything that we were discussing off the show
Speaker 1: is now part of this show. UM. And I will
Speaker 1: say keep in mind that maybe DJ knows that referencing
Speaker 1: how you looked. Greg won't play for the podcast because
Speaker 1: he's secretly trying to destroy. Yeah, look at that too,
Speaker 1: because he's the son of the preacher. He's the wholesome assassin,
Speaker 1: but he is a killer man. He that's why he's
Speaker 1: the wholesome sense. He's competitive too, and that's why you know,
Speaker 1: coming in you know, second or third place behind us
Speaker 1: in terms of like audience, that the NFL, it kills
Speaker 1: him year after year. It's why I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be his last year. Listen to Greg sharpening the dagger
Speaker 1: is returning fire on DJ. I think it really did
Speaker 1: get to him a little bit. Now. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't there's nothing I can add u there to
Speaker 1: what Greg has just said. I think it's, you know,
Speaker 1: he's it's so hard to get under gray skin. It's
Speaker 1: it really is. I can, like I can count a
Speaker 1: few times I've done it, but like, even if you do,
Speaker 1: he doesn't show it. Typically, I tend to think that
Speaker 1: DJ and I get along well because I'm of zero
Speaker 1: threat to him. That's how I start to see it.
Speaker 1: So maybe he feels threatened by all these other I
Speaker 1: think DJ sees me as a as a kindred, wholesome
Speaker 1: assassin spirit. Yeah, you just you started the show by
Speaker 1: telling us you bring your children to drug dens. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was gonna be that way. The
Speaker 1: first Westlemania two was was pretty take in Hey, Ricky,
Speaker 1: get in here, Get in here a second? Do you
Speaker 1: think do you think DJ got under Greg's skin at
Speaker 1: that during that segment? You know him? Well, you just
Speaker 1: did your gentle Nick Rosenthal, vanity projects, a live show
Speaker 1: and everything. You know Greg very well, yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: seems uh, pretty pretty agitated today. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's other stuff going on behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, but you know, Greg, you you do seem
Speaker 1: pretty uptight. Mm hmm. Interesting. Well, I'm gonna need me
Speaker 1: to Greg, so you're not. It's not just you Greg?
Speaker 1: You know, um I noticed that as well. Mark. You
Speaker 1: seem pretty piste off. What's up? Guys? You want to
Speaker 1: talk about it? Both seemed really uptight. I don't know, um.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't have two more hours to get
Speaker 1: into it. So all right, who doesn't have anything to
Speaker 1: do with us? Smart? Yeah? Are you mad at? No? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no not it doesn't not not our little group here,
Speaker 1: not this foursome now, okay, are you mad at? It's
Speaker 1: it's the foresome Now I'm not mad at anyone. All Right,
Speaker 1: that's good, Okay, that's good. All right, Well I'm glad
Speaker 1: we settled that. Yeah, alright, good. We gotta get a
Speaker 1: get rolling because our NFL network hit is on UM
Speaker 1: every Thursday, check it out on NFL Now with Andrew
Speaker 1: Siciliano or whoever is in that host chair. We do
Speaker 1: a live hit UM and like Greg alluded to, uh
Speaker 1: NFL network, We're back on Friday at a later time, actually,
Speaker 1: I believe. So check out your local listings and please
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Speaker 1: of things, and of course, on this end of things.
Speaker 1: If you we haven't asked for this in a while,
Speaker 1: if you can leave some comments, some five star ratings,
Speaker 1: that would that's always a big deal. We're trying to
Speaker 1: win a sole award. What is it? What's the word?
Speaker 1: A Sony award? You you bungling the name show after
Speaker 1: show kind of indicates it's not right on top of
Speaker 1: our price Cyclops Award. We're trying to win a Cyclops.
Speaker 1: That would be an awesome trow Remember imagine if you
Speaker 1: won this award and it was like a head, like
Speaker 1: a Cyclops with a big. I like, you know one
Speaker 1: of those characters Ricky what is the name of the award,
Speaker 1: one of those characters the sign ops you don't know
Speaker 1: it either wants this is making me feel better? All right, good, yeah,
Speaker 1: so make sure you check that out and then we'll
Speaker 1: be back Monday. And remember, yes, we're going multi times
Speaker 1: a week, two times a week with the podcast and
Speaker 1: then the network show. Um right now, but we'll be
Speaker 1: five days a week draft weeks, so look forward to
Speaker 1: that as well. All Right, that's it, everybody. We're almost
Speaker 1: of the weekend. M but maybe'll take the rest of
Speaker 1: this day. Maybe we all drop off the radar, we
Speaker 1: take a deep breath, and we come back tomorrow for
Speaker 1: the network show. Feeling great. That's a good plan, A
Speaker 1: good stuff, all right. This Dan had the signing off
Speaker 1: for a quiet storm the old boss Ricky Hollywood behind
Speaker 1: the virtual of glass. Be good to each other. Everybody
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