WEBVTT - Eat Like a Genius 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:11.879 Wine down with Janet Kramer and I heard radio podcasting. Hi. Hi, Um, 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.160 I don't even know how to start today. I wrote 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.119 notes in my phone the other day. I love it 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:22.799 when you do that, writing notes my phone. Um, oh 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:28.320 it's interesting. So I was talking to who was I 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.360 talking to? This is a great start, um, because we 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:35.159 were talking about gossip. Oh okay, I can't say who 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:40.280 the person is because she's well known and we're kind 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:44.280 of um, she's she's been a she's been a real 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:50.120 leader and guide for me through my divorce last year 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.400 and just you know, coming out of things, um and 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.560 just you know, my healing work, and she's she's been 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.000 a really big advocate in my life. And you know, 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:00.959 she's kind of going through her own battles right now 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.920 with divorce. And we were we had in like an 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:05.880 hour call last night after I put the kids down. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.920 And it's because so she's not a very um, she's 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.679 very well known. She's you know, written, and she's she's 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:19.200 she's she's very well known and and people picked up 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.080 something like from her Instagram and it became this article 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.160 and she's just like, why are people she's and she's 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:27.920 not used to like she's unknown and she's known in 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.520 like her world, but like not in like the gossipy world, 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.360 and so she's never really experienced that and she's like, 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.640 why do people want to know the gossip? She's like, 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.640 it's She's like and they picked up something from Instagram 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.240 and I go, girl, I was like you. I was like, 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.720 anything you write on Instagram like people can take and 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.760 they're like, well, why do they want to know the details? 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.680 And it was interesting because you know, that was the 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.000 same day that like my one episode aired and then 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.520 people were like upset that I didn't give details about 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.160 the breakup. And I'm like, why do people want to 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:05.200 know certain details? It's like why, It's just and I 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:09.079 started so we started to talk about, you know, gossip 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:14.200 and why people want to to know that, like those 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.800 certain pieces of it, you know, doesn't make any sense 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.560 to me. Yeah, I know. I'm trying to think of 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.079 my what I think about that I think and kind 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:23.280 of what you're going through. I don't want to bring 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.360 it up, but I'm saying, like, you know, me asking 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.720 you know, questions around something that just tragically happened in 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:35.320 your life and wanting to know certain details. But it's 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.160 like or to those details even why should they matter. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:46.560 I think when you know someone personally, I think you 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.359 want to know details. I think that's just human nature. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.680 And I think what has happened with celebrities or people 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:58.360 in the public eye. They're so accessible and people feel 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.440 like they know them, so they feel they have a 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.040 right to know all the details. But they don't know 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.640 you personally, but it feels like they do, you know 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.680 what I mean. So I think, like, if it's me 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.680 and you, you would have no question asking me personal 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.720 details because we know each other very well. And I 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.440 just think people feel like they know you through Instagram, 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.280 through this, through the podcast, and they feel like they 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.600 have a right to those details, whether they do or don't, 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.480 which you may not. I mean, I may not have 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.799 the right to those details either, you know. I mean 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.200 it's like you get to keep those personal, those get 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.000 to stay close to you if you choose. Then why 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.800 do some people say, well, you can't share. It's like, 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.360 you know, because I did get some hate about not 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.640 sharing certain details, and I'm like, what if I'm protecting someone? 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.200 What if I'm protecting someone that doesn't doesn't want some 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.720 of this knowledge out there and public stuff out there? 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.800 You know, it's like you don't know what people are. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.760 It's like, there could be someone that I I don't 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.120 they're private and they don't want this information to be out, 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.040 so I'm you know, or it could be whatever it's like, 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.360 or it could just be something that it's like all 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.000 the details. It's like, I don't know. It's just so 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.000 me and my girlfriend we're talking about the last night. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:17.719 It's just like, that's that piece is hard, yeah, because 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.599 you still want to be open and like honest and 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.320 stuff like that. But then when they think that they 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.839 you know, the other side of that is hawd you 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:25.520 open up and tell all the details. You're going to 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.000 get hate for that too, oh for sure. But I'd 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.520 also be hurting someone in the process exactly, So that's 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.880 not worth it. So I think you just as hard 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.800 as that is for those people saying that you have 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.839 to know that you are doing what you feel is 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.800 right and that that's okay, because you're gonna get hate 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.680 no matter how you how you play it. Yeah, and 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.919 I hate that for your friend who also had that 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.240 situation because they take everything off Instagram. Oh yeah, and 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.400 I and I just but it really just kind of 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:57.120 got me thinking about the wanting to know details that 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.360 might really hurt people and to be reminded like oh 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.279 why did It's like because it hurt and it broke 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.760 and it sucked, you know, and like thank you for 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.960 asking me. But but then also it's like when you 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.440 put it out there, so it's like of course you're 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.080 gonna then be met with questions. So that's the thing too, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.160 where that's like, well, that's where the battle is, like 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.279 it is. But also then I would ask those people, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.640 do you not want do you not want you to share? 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.000 M That's what I would ask, Do you want me 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.919 to not share anything? Would you prefer that? You know 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.680 what I mean? Because it's like they want to know things, 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:35.839 but then they want to. I mean, it's just this 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.160 this you know catch twenty two. So you could when 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.560 everyone says this, just hold up and not tell anybody 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.600 about any of your relationships about anything. But that doesn't 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.120 that that won't make them happy. They just feel like 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:51.640 they have a right to know all the details. Yeah. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.719 Interesting though, Yeah, I'm like such a long topic about that, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.080 but I was like, well, I was like I kind 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.359 of fall into it, Like I'm like, when iach the 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.400 I want to know what Tristan did Chloe and I 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.880 want to know the details? Yeah, No, I mean sometimes 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.599 like but I do the same, Like I get upset 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.600 about the same things that I want, and that's kind 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.600 of hypocritical. It's I think it's just kind of human 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.680 nature to want to know everything. I mean, I'm nosy, 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.280 so I've always wanted to know everything. But I mean 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:26.120 other people out there and knows you too. Yeah. I 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:31.000 thought this was a really good assists from Kristen. She goes, um, 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:34.640 I want to apologize. I follow you and started to 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.120 feel invest in your life, especially around your relationships. I 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.240 listened to your new podcast today waiting to find out 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.520 all the details and left feeling disappointed. But as I'm 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.080 laying here thinking about it, I'm like, Wow, Janna is 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.560 sharing her boundaries with her friends. Boundaries are so damn 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.920 hard to establish for anyone, let alone a celebrity who 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.440 has to defend their boundaries because their fans might feel 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:56.960 owned owed access into your life. So first, I'm sorry 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.359 that I had that reaction, and second, thank you for 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.200 sharing in enforcing your boundaries. You have so many fans 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.040 who might need help establishing boundaries in their life, and 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.200 you're modeling that for them on a side note, you're 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.160 killing it. And then she went on and I end 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.560 up having a long DM conversation with Kristen because I 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.400 was like, I just want you to say, like thank 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.280 you for sharing that message and writing that to me 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.560 and acknowledging that like you were frustrated, but that you 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.800 also understood, and like we just had a really great 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.360 back and forth banter about you know, just you know 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.080 how hard it can be, but also you know, I'm 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:33.240 I'm wanting to respect other people's privacy and you know, 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:37.680 and just moving on and that's okay, and um, but yeah, 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.360 it was just it was a really good conversation and 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.520 I love being able to have like dialogue like that 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.720 as opposed to people and it is it's all about 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.560 like certain boundaries. But it's like it's so hard to 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.680 have those boundaries. And I was also again going back 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.640 to my girlfriend last night when we were talking, you know, 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.840 I'm like, how do I have healthier boundaries the next 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.480 time if I ever, if if and whenever I date again, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.080 Like I'm so scared to like stand by those boundaries 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.200 and like what do I do? And like how it's 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:10.840 just that new beginning that's like, I'm like, I don't 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.040 even want Like, boundaries are so hard to live by 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.520 because then you just have to be what are the 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.720 consequences of the boundary? Are you done? Is you random out? 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.760 Does that help to kind of ride out your boundaries? Sure? 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.560 But how many times did I say in my ex 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:31.800 if you lie again, I'm out my boundary? Yeah, Like 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.839 I'm gonna give anything like that. I don't know how 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.520 And it's like I almost like I would love to 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.520 get someone on the show. So if um producers are 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.880 listening right now, somebody that can be really helpful with 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.280 defining boundaries and sticking to boundaries and how like. And 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.440 I just would love to have a conversation around that 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.120 because I think it's something that I know I struggle 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:56.480 with and yeah, and so I would really really love 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.800 to have someone on that can talk about that because 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.360 it's interesting, it's can be bought boundaries around friendships and like, 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.480 you know, all of it, and I just I would 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.520 love to like get clearer and better with them and 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.640 actually stick by boundary for the first time. So if 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.679 anyone was to you know, lie, get this or whatever, 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.040 I could be like peace out instead of going well, 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:25.440 because that's usually just one time. Yeah, he didn't mean it. 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.839 She was so you didn't know how to tell me, 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.200 you know, because he was afraid of my pad. The 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.960 story right always. Um, but today we're going to go 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:41.000 a little left field, left fields, out of field. Yeah, 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:49.079 side field. We've got Max Lugavier. Um, he's got a 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.760 book called The Genius Kitchen out now, and I'm just 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.800 really excited to talk to him about, um, everything that 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.280 he does. He's a filmmaker's health and science journalist, author 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.880 of the New York Times bestselling U bestseller g Foods 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.680 Become smarter, happy, and more productive while protecting your brain 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.760 for life. UM. So I'm pumped. Let's take a break 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:23.600 and let's get them on. Hey, how are you? I'm good? 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.560 Are you good? I'm Janna. This is Catherine. Hey, how 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.880 are you? Janna? Catherine. Nice to meet you guys too. 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.280 I am so excited to have you on. This is 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.000 a little left field for what left I'm going left 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:39.839 field field. Usually we talk about like relationships and all 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.000 that on the podcast. But I'm trying to get better 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:48.280 with foods and just understanding things. And as I'm like 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.280 going through the rundown today, I was like, do I 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.560 tell Max that I gave my kids lucky charms for 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:59.760 for breakfast? I was like, should lean with that here? 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.520 Like I grew up eating those, So it's fine. I 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.600 mean I turned out I think fairly all right. So 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:11.000 I still have all my limbs. Well that's good because 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.199 I'm praying that my kids keep them too. Um. Okay, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.600 so let's tell us your background of how you got 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:23.040 into this space of foods and healthy eating. Sure things. 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.800 So I started, Um, I started college on a premed track. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.000 So I've always been interested in fitness and nutrition. I 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.120 was just a big nerd for it. Um. I wasn't 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.480 an athlete. I was just really obsessed with the science 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.439 of body composition of physical performance, something that I, for 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.839 as long as I can remember, I had a passion for. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.880 But ultimately, halfway through college I realized that I was 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.640 also creative. I was a storyteller, and I ended up 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.880 making the pivot to a double major in film and psychology, 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:55.280 which sounds that's a massive pivot. It's a massive pivot. Yeah. Um. Well, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.120 the way that my brain works, it's sort of like 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.199 a light switch. I'm either like obsessively interested in a topic, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.520 which I am for for health for example, um or 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.720 I can't sit still in focus on it for even 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.040 a second. And so what that led to in college 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.040 was a g p A that just wasn't that great. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.440 Like the classes that everybody in my college would take 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.800 for the easy as, I would struggle to get a's, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.719 and because I just wasn't interested, I wouldn't even I 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.319 wouldn't even go. But the biologies and the chemistry is 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.200 I would get really good grades. And but ultimately I 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.200 didn't think academically it was going to lead to me 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.960 being all that competitive in that in that traditional sort 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.520 of med school path. Um, So I pivoted to film 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.920 and psychology because I love cinema, I love music, I 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.640 love art also, and I kind of kept one foot 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.800 in the world of science. So I had a psychology 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.439 double major, and that actually was a really fortuitous decision 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.480 because it led to me getting an incredible job. When 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.400 I graduated from college, I went to University of Miami 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.320 in Florida. Is that where you're from. I'm from New 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.880 York City, actually yeah. But um, I was never a 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.400 fan of cold weather. I always would find myself getting 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.560 seasonal effect of disorder during the winter months. So fell 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:08.199 the poll to the more southern states and landed in Miami, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.720 which is an amazing city and um and yees. So 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.480 after college I ended up working for Al Gore. I 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.679 was a journalist on a TV network that he had 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.520 launched in the US called Current TV. Do you remember it? 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.719 It was Yeah, it was like it was underwatched, but 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.160 it was in a hundred million homes, so it was 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.520 like a legitimate TV network. Yeah. It launched in two 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:33.120 thousand five and it ran until two thousand eleven or thereabouts. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.880 And so I was one of the main journalists, producers, 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.160 hosts for the network. And I was in my early twenties, 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.040 so I was like, you know, rolling out of bed 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.200 wearing T shirts. But ultimately every day on TV talking 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.920 about some pretty serious stuff. And my role there was 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.560 very much as like a generalist, So I covered topics 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.400 you know that that really ran the gamut. But again, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.840 my passions that had always been health and nutrition science. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.600 And then in my personal life, I had left Current 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.800 after my position there had sort of like what I 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.840 was learning, the viewership, everything sort of had plateaued and 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.280 I was out of work. And then simultaneously in my 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.440 personal life, my mom, who is the person that I'm 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.080 the closest with in the universe, started to show the 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.000 earliest symptoms of what would ultimately be diagnosed as a 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:24.600 as a rare form of dementia. Yeah, so she was, 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.720 you know, she had complained of brain fog and there 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.840 was a change to her gates, which is the way, 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.120 you know, her sort of walking pattern. And I was 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.320 three thousand miles away in Los Angeles. She was in 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.200 New York, and ultimately I decided I had to move home, 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.080 and I started going with her to doctor's appointments, and 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.640 in every instance I was met with what I've come 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.720 to call diagnose and audio. So it's just like a 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:50.680 doctor would run some battery of of strange tests, often 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.080 talking down on me and the patient right like, which 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.920 is sort of unfortunate, but that's that's often the case, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:58.760 is like doctors, you know, there's like this sort of 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.040 ego attached to that dential, which is not not always 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.720 the case, but um can often be and UM. And 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.120 ultimately it wasn't until it wasn't until a trip to 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.640 the Cleveland clinic. We literally we had to make an 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.720 appointment at the Cleveland Clinic despite coming from New York city, 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:18.800 right where we have all these incredible cathedrals to work. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.040 we had to go there because her case was so 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.440 I guess, atypical, and it was there for the first 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.800 time that she was prescribed drugs for both Parkinson's disease 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.800 and Alzheimer's disease, and um, she had this she has 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.880 she had a form of dementia called Louis body dementia, 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.080 which is it's sort of like having both of those conditions. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.320 So it's not it's not it doesn't neatly fit into 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:43.440 either diagnosis. It's sort of a hybrid um. It affects 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.840 one in five people. One of five people with dementia 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.640 have Louis body dementia, and it's really difficult. The drugs 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.600 are minimally effective. And at that point, I mean it 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.600 was there in Ohio that my like the world changed 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.880 for me and I had a panic attack for the 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.560 first time, and everything that I had been interested in 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.480 previously sort of faded to the background, and I just 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:07.320 became fixated on trying to understand everything I could about 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.600 the ideology of these conditions, the role that my mom's 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.160 diet and lifestyle would have, you know, could have potentially 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.600 played in her in her developing this condition, and also 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:19.880 what could be done to prevent it from happening to myself? 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.320 Because I realized even though doctors never address, you know, 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.760 the family member that's in the room, like I realized 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.520 for the first time, it was like a light bulb 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.240 moment where I have a risk factor at this point. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:37.600 And so that began about ten years ago, and I've 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.480 just been Yeah, it's just a constant question like why 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.920 why my mom at such a young age developed this condition? 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:47.520 What what is the optimal path to take for optimizing 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.840 brain health, cognitive health, mental health, because we live in 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.520 a time where people are just sick, right, Like people 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:56.160 are overweight by and large. Um, it's the first time 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.120 in human history that they're more overweight people walking the 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.840 earth and underweight. And my mom wasn't over eight. Um, 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.440 so it's not this isn't a weight issue, but um. 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.199 But generally the food supply, I've come to learn, is 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:10.040 toxic in many ways. And um, so my work really 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:14.840 has been about identifying and describing how we might sort 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.760 of live and eat differently for for better health, better 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:23.160 better odds. How do we do that? How is your 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:27.600 mom though? Like she she Okay, is she better? She no, 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.520 I mean she she passed away three years ago. Yeah, no, 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.800 it's okay. I mean she she had I mean it 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.239 was mostly a good life that my mom had, but 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.200 the last eight years of her life were mired in 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.960 this you know, this this chronic disease world. And and 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.399 it was just like really sad because my mom was 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.960 somebody who she was a high powered woman. She had 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.600 a she was she was affluent. You know, she lived 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:58.280 in New York City. She she was health conscious, but 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.919 she and her generation were fed certain truths about what 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:03.640 it meant to be healthy that I think are We're 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.320 not all that rooted in in in the scientific literature, 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.000 for example, And she didn't have access to the internet. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.159 She wasn't I mean, she wasn't a very tech savvy 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.240 person to begin with, but like, she was never on 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.879 the internet. And so her you know what what she 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.000 received about what it meant to eat healthily was was 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.359 the messaging that she received from the food industry. So 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.280 what do you think that messages? Then, like, what do 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:28.240 you think people where do you think people are being misled? Well, 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:29.960 for the past few decades, it was, but it was 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:31.919 we were we lived in a world where fat was 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.200 demonized was very much demonized, right, fat made you fat, 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.840 or fat clogged our arteries, and dietary cholesterol wasn't something 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:40.399 that was healthy to eat, right, So I grew up 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.399 in a in a household that was you know, we 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.280 didn't use butter, we used margarine. I never saw my 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.280 mom eating eggs, right because she was worried about the 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.040 cholesterol contained in egg yolks. An egg is literally one 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.000 of nature's few multi vitamins. It's a cognitive multi vitamin. 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.800 It contains a little bit of everything required to grow 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:01.240 and and sustain a healthy brain. And this, you know, 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.359 it's this kind of food that my mom avoided, like 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:05.879 the plague, because she was worried about about heart health. 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:10.040 What so, then what foods are great for the brain? Then? 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.359 That you like, what, who do I need to be 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:19.720 have smarter down? What else? Well? Yeah, I mean the 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.159 most the most protective dietary pattern for the brain is 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.680 like a a sort of Mediterranean style diet. But like 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.320 the vision that we and and like, and this is 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.240 sort of promoted in the in the Western nutritional orthodoxy, 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:35.200 like the picture of the Mediterranean diet that that is 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.840 described in the medical literature is a lot different from 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:42.280 the actual Mediterranean dietary pattern. The actual Mediterranean dietary dietary 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.399 pattern is a high fat diet. It's rich and extra 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:48.120 virgin olive oil as the sole oil for the most part. 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.600 I mean occasionally they'll use butter, but um. You know, 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.960 in the Mediterrane, in the Mediterranean kitchen. Um, a traditional 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.160 Mediterranean kitchen. You don't have any of these crappy grain 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.280 and seed oils like canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.439 oils that have to market themselves on TV. Right, Like 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.639 chances are if there's an ad on TV for a 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.719 food product, it's you're worth avoiding it. It's where it's 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.960 worth avoiding. Um. They use extra virgin olil is the 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:16.440 primary fat. They're cooking with it. Even um they eat 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:21.880 a blend. That's good extra vision. He's saying it's good. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:26.760 Oh it's good. Yeah, okay good. I was like, we're 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:32.840 doing good. I mean yeah ideally yeah, yeah, no, it's great. 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:34.439 I use it as a sauce. You know, you can 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.960 use it to to dress vegetables with um, to to 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:41.400 drizzle on on eggs, scrambled eggs, for example. Great great 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.720 food option. It's actually extra virgin olive oil is medicine 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.200 for the brain. It's as anti inflammatory as a low 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:51.399 dose ibprofen Like, yeah, we all it's a drug that 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.360 we all have in our medicine cabinets. But chronic use 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:57.159 of ibprofen um and other non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:01.040 is associated with cardiovascular events. Right There's they're not without 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.040 side effects. But extra virgin olive oil you get the 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.199 upside without any of the any of the downside, and 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:12.639 so use it, use it liberally. It's awesome. Okay. I 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.320 just wonder like if we were ever too good grocery 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.080 shopping together, you'd be like you can't. But like if 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.400 are you the person that looks at all the labels 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:24.639 like when you go shopping? Yeah, yeah, I do. I 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.639 think it's important too, because we have a lot of 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:32.000 compounds in modern foods that um that people tend to 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.199 overeat and that aren't necessarily good for us, and the 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.479 only way to really identify them is to look at 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.600 look at labels. Take the added sugar phenomenon, right, So yeah, 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.240 what do we look at? That's like I heard what 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:44.720