WEBVTT - Will Mephisto Show up in Ironheart? 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:05.080 Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Black Panther, What Kind 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:07.600 Of Forever, because we're gonna be talking about Ironheart and 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.400 her history and the MCU and comics. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:25.360 Hello. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.480 My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Knight and 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.280 welcome back to X Ray Visions of Vodkas, Movie IV, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.760 your favorite shows, movies, comics at pop culture coming to 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.680 you from my Her podcast, where we'll bring you three 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.680 episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Monday. 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.239 Last news in today's episode, if you listen to the 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.760 spoiler warning, you may have an idea what we're gonna 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.280 talk about. We're getting you prepped for the Ironheart television 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.400 show with the background on our history in both the 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.240 MCU and comics. So maybe we'll do a little prediction. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:03.240 Maybe we'll do it dive into comics and let's see 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.480 where this goes. Because iron Heart is a bit of 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.960 a mystery prospect for us right now. We've only had 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.640 a couple of adverts for it, a couple of trailers. 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.800 It's looking very different. We spoke to the fantastic Sam Bailey, 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.319 So let's stick into what we already know about re 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.920 Re and what that could tell us about the show. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:28.160 Okay, let's talk about Rhewey Williams. Re Re makes her 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:32.800 MCU debut in the twenty twenty two film Will kind 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.720 Of Forever, directed by Ryan Cooler with the screenplay by 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:43.080 Ryan and Joe Robert Cole. This is, of course, the 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:48.320 first movie post the death of King T'Challa, the movie 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.760 that really had to grapple with the untimely death of 0:01:51.840 --> 0:02:00.120 Chadwick Boseman, who chocklingly passed away due to cancer. And 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.400 just as a remembrance of this movie and the fact, 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.960 you know, I watched it recently, rewatched it recently to 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:10.639 say it, it does way better than it should considering 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:12.000 the challenges that it. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:17.160 Faced to be Ryan Coogler, who made this movie after 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.560 the death of a close friend who was essentially the 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:25.560 reason he could even make Black Panther. Is so heartbreaking. 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.880 And yeah, I think that at the time, you know, 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.160 I mean, this movie made so much money. It's not 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.680 that did not impact it in a you know, financial way, 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.320 But I do think at the time it was tough 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.920 for people to watch because the original Black Panther film 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.440 had been such a joyous kind of celebration and such 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.520 a cultural moment, and this movie had to be way 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.040 more somber and had to actually, you know, reckon with 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.840 the fact that Chadwick had died and then in this 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.119 version that T'Challa had died. And it's really really interesting, 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.320 and they do a lot of really deep stuff when 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.960 it comes to the exploration of nay More, who they 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.440 kind of reimagine here is no More and they give 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.080 him a fantastic origin story that we never got in 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:12.959 the comics. One of the lines inactly. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:17.240 Other thing that really impressed me was one the the 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:22.760 retcon of no More and how seamlessly they made his 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:29.839 name make sense, I know, biography of the character, and 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.560 I was like, goddamn, that like really worked. That was 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.560 really good. That really worked. I was. I was really 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.960 impressed with that. Let's talk about Rory Williams. So the 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:45.200 plot of this movie hinges on the search for vibranium 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:51.200 and the hunger, the desire that countries around the world 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:56.920 have for this substance, which now that they know about 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:01.480 it and know that it exists in huge quotes only 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:06.960 seemingly in Wakanda as far as anybody knows, they would 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.400 like it because they have discovered that it can theoretically 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.080 be used for weapons of mass destruction. And the idea 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:18.520 is that, well, if hold on, now, Wakanda has potentially 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.200 like advanced vibranium based weapons of mass destruction. None of 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.520 us have it. We don't know what it is. And 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:28.360 now we didn't even know this country existed on the 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:33.120 on the level of geopolitical strength that it actually exists on. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:34.840 And all of this is new to us, and it's 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.360 extremely destabilizing and what's going on. So they hold all 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.680 these hearings, and while they're holding the hearings in which they, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:48.280 you know, question Queen Romanda about the vibranium and Wakanda's 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:53.920 possession of vibranium, they are also secretly spearheaded by the French. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.800 It's the French, those evil French cheese, those evil French cheese. 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.120 They are also the name of the world secretly hunting 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:10.359 one for kind of vulnerable Wakandan bases where they could 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.839 maybe steal some vibranium, or they are looking around the 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:21.039 world for other sources. And they are using the research 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.480 of one MIT student, one genius MIT student named Reerey Williams, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.440 who has discovered a way to kind of like scan 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.560 for vibranium, and they have found some under the sea, 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.919 and this is what brings ree Rey Williams to the 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:39.520 notice of both the CIA and eventually to Wakandan security 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:45.520 agents and also the the Atlanteans. Do I have that correct, Rosa. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.240 You have that correct? And also important to note that 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.560 no more and kind of Wakanda and everyone other than 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:59.800 famous right, you know, fed Ever k Ross don't know 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.120 that she is like a student. They think this is 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:06.040 some American weapons program, some American scientists, and it kind 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.480 of comes as a shock, but wouldn't be a shock 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.520 to us because we know that really is one of 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:16.360 the most intelligent people in the Marvel Universe, sometimes the most. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.640 I think that is still a lunari. I think Moon 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.680 Girl is still technically the most intelligent person in the MCU. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.479 But it's a really interesting twist because then you also 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.480 get this conflict once again Coogler doing what he does best, 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:36.359 between even the more Shuri Wakanda. They come to mit 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:41.240 at first because they think that Rear is an enemy, 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.040 but really ends up being taken to Wakanda at first 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:50.200 almost as a prisoner, and then ends up connecting with Shuri. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:56.360 Having this really kind of beautiful friendship and finding herself 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.560 even more so in the space of Wakanda and being 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.840 able to build that first suit, and we get to 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.640 see her in it, you know, momentarily during that crazy 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.120 final battle, which I think for many people was kind 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:14.320 of the question mark moment of like did the movie 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.840 land for them? Did it not? There's this huge battle 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.520 where they're luring the more and his warriors, and there's 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.800 kind of this question over, you know if you're watching it, 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:31.320 like who should they really be fighting? And eventually, you know, 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:35.560 we see that they come together and he surrenders, and 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.920 they kind of make this almost like a loose friend 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.840 kind of like it's not a true alliance, but it's 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.440 like Talakan and Wakanda kind of wink at each other 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.880 and say, hey, will we'll be there And then interestingly, 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.640 which I thought was very interesting and I'm sure we'll 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.120 see happen in Ironheart, we'll see this reckoned with but 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:02.040 sure it makes really leave her suit in Wakanda. Oh so, 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:06.480 then much too much Wakandan technology? Do you feel like 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.880 that's a bit unfair seeing as Bucky has a Wakandon 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.280 arm that he's just throwing in the dishwasher. But no, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:13.600 he did. 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.120 They know him for several years there. To be fair 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.920 to Bucky, he stayed there for for a number of 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.400 years and gained their trust over time. Reary is still 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:23.840 an unknown quantity, you two. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:28.400 And I would also say point sets up a great 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.679 thing for iron Heart because we know that she is 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.560 now going to want to do anything to be able 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.120 to create a suit that, as she says in the trailer, 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:41.400 is undeniable. But that here we also see like she 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.200 has already experienced what it's like to be able to 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.840 build something fantastic, something unbelievable, which is what she did 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.640 in Wakanda. So I think that adds like a really 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.680 interesting kind of cool conflict. And also, as you know, 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.240 we talked about this when the movie came out, But 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.480 the thing about this is there is this really interesting 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.400 cultural exchange between Wakanda and the rest of the Marvel 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:09.720 Comics universe. In the comics, like kids are often going 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.880 for like a exchange trip y, you know, like going 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.720 to Wakanda and coming back and sure, he's coming to America. 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:18.680 And so I think this is kind of a fun 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.520 play on that in a movie that had to deal 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.839 with a lot of serious stuff and yeah, the other 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.920 fun things that come out of this. I don't think 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.080 we're going to see, you know, impact Ironheart, but I 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:31.000 do love and Barku ends up becoming King of Wakanda. Yes, 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.040 I love Embarku so love that we all send you. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.840 And obviously in the mid credits scene, will this play 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.240 into the future of the MCU hard to know. We 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:47.079 do learn that T'Challa has a son who Nakia has 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:52.320 been kind of Bob and I don't love the fact 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.040 that she just named him T'Challa. I understand, but in 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:59.079 the nature of the naming conventions of Wakandan's in the comics, 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:00.959 that is not what would happen. But I think it's 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.360 very sweet. That moment definitely had all of us crying 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.960 in the cinema, and that is that's why we leave 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:13.200 Wakana forever. And as we said, re Rea's status quo 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.400 at the end of that, she's back at MIT and 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.880 it's gonna be interesting to see. I'm guessing from what 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:24.000 we've seen in the trailers she is back in Chicago 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.439 and the show. I don't think she's in MIT anymore. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:28.360 I think that's over. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.640 So let's talk about the show and what we know 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:36.360 about the show. Here is the blurb the log line 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:44.480 log sentence of Ironheart, which will debut shortly quote. Following 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.800 the events of the film Black Panther Wikonda, Forever Mit 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.480 student Reerey Williams returns home to Chicago, where she becomes 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:56.119 entangled with the enigmatic Parker Robbins aka the Hood, discovering 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.400 secrets that pit technology against magic, setting her on a 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.520 path of danger an adventure. Now, I think clearly, from 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.080 what we know and from the kind of from the 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.000 official language that's out there, it seems as if re 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:13.800 Rey and Parker start off as allies, yes, and I 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:18.440 think what will eventually drive them apart is well, I 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.760 think very clearly we're going to see Parker get his 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:21.720 powers in. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.440 Yes, I think that we will explore the notion of 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.760 magic in a more obvious way here. I would also 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.000 say that if we look to the comics, because I 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:35.760 think something that people have been understandably kind of confused 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.000 about or worried about is like, well, how come when 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.640 it's to show about a young black woman, suddenly it's 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.400 about crime and it's about evil, and it's about are 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.560 you what are you going to do? And obviously there 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.800 are arguments of like a, well, why would you make 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.640 it easy? This is a realistic you know, they're trying 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.960 to do a realistic take. But what I think people 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.240 aren't talking about is that this is actually all Also 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.800 one of the key parts of Reeary's Law not obviously 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.480 a dalliance with the Hood, but when Really was first 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:14.520 introduced by Brian Michael Bendis, there was and Mike Diodato, 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:20.920 there was a situation where she was kind of a 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.520 she was just a teenage girl and they had a 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.040 lot of issues with a similar like there was a 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.480 sexy Jascott Campbell cover for her even though she was fifteen, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.640 and that was in October twenty sixteen, and there was 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.320 you know her, she was very much just like she 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.199 stole an Iron Man suit and she made it her own, 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.880 and it was a cool character that people were really 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:48.200 excited to see designed. But it was when there was 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.320 the Champions Run, which people did feel like kind of 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.000 expanded her a bit more, which was your kind of 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:58.240 gym's up at Emilio Leso stuff. But it was really 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.920 when Eviewing and Kevin Lebranda came on with her first 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:08.000 solo series that re re really kind of started to 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.520 grow out. And there had been criticisms of Revery Rely 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.400 early on, very much in the same way I think 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.960 that people talked about Amadea's show, but with him they 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.640 were like, this is an interesting, complicated character. But with 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.720 Really they were like, she's a sociopath. She's stealing all 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.679 the time. Why is she doing this? Like why doesn't 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.880 she care about the rules? Like and so what Eve 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.599 did was Eve you know who we love friend of 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.520 the pod. You can listen to her talking about kind 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.880 of Forever on our kind of Forever episode. But what 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.720 Eve did was she basically made that part of Real's 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.839 character arc was like the fear that I think we 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.839 all have of are we a bad person? Could we 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.840 do evil? Could we do harm? And basically made every 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.559 choice that she made was about proving to herself that 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.559 she wasn't that person and she wanted to help her community. 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.880 So I think, in its own way, it seems like 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.839 the show is echoing that storyline in a little bit more. 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.000 I would say, of what seems like from what we're 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:10.839 seeing kind of a black and white way, but it 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.679 also does seem like it's going to lean into from 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.559 our conversation with Sam Bailey. I think this notion of 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:22.680 like a found family outside of the constructs of the MCU, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.720 and there's going to be these different characters like Parker, 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.760 and it seems kind of a kind of crew of 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.480 people who I think will see re re develop that 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.200 with and then we'll have to make choices between good 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:38.960 and bad and what she does. And I mean, isn't 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:43.320 that the ultimate superhero kind of situation? Haven't they all 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:44.640 had to do that at some point? 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.720 So let's talk about some of the interesting questions that 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.000 linger over this. First of all, tell us about Parker 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:12.520 Robbins in the MCU. So, okay, one of our one 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.440 of the more recent Brian Michael. Yeah, a character who 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.560 is significantly elevated by the run of Brian Michael. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:24.160 Bendis across, isn't this isn't impact so big on the 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:25.160 mc It's. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.920 It's massive, maybe the you know, it's hard to say 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.840 the single biggest person, but certainly one of a huge 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:37.760 impact because a lot of the storylines and characters and 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:42.680 frames for certain characters come from runs of it. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:48.000 Also is very interesting because the original first phase of 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.760 the MCU had a council that included Brian Michael Bendis 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.000 that included Matt fraction, that included different comic but creators, 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.640 so it's interesting to see them kind of still go 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:03.120 this way. Also another iconic creative team here, because The 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.240 Hood was actually created by Brian ca Vaughn and Kyle Holt. 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.840 Brian Cavoughn behind Saga, one of our favorite a very 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:16.280 sho BKV. Because also so basically Parker Robins is a 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:21.560 low level criminal. He is, Interestingly, I would love to 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.880 see if they explore this, you know how the MCU 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:28.000 as we've seen it with the new characters like Hawkeye, Kate, Hawkye. 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.960 It's all about how it feels to grow up in 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.680 the era of the Avengers. She remembers seeing Hawkeye look 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.520 down on her and she had and in the comics, 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.920 Parker Robbins is obsessed with super villains, like the clamorous 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.760 life of a super villain. That he loves Electro, which 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.080 I love because that's like a weird He dates. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:55.160 Dates a super villain's daughter. Yes, yes, yes, loves supervillains. 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.280 Yes exactly, Like he's kind of obsessed with it and 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.240 it's very all so, and I think I feel like 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:05.800 this has gotta be intentional if you are a Batman fan, 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.119 if you've read The Killing Joke, if you've read the 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.480 original Golden Age Batman stuff, there is an origin for 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.280 the Joker where he is essentially the Red Hood and 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.119 he's a low level criminal. He wears the Hood. He 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.720 goes and does his you know crime, He gets set 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.639 up for it and he falls in the acme acid 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.440 and he gets his acid. This is very much a similar. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.359 Things the Cash. 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.520 Yeah, he has a pregnant girlfriend who doesn't know that 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.880 he's a criminal, and he does a heist and incredibly 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:39.640 this is like one of my all time favorite kind 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.080 of comic book things. And I doubt that they're going 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:43.920 to go this route, but I would love it. He 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.800 stumbles upon a magical seance Jason. 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:51.359 As happens in the comics quite often. 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.720 Yeah, and Robins kind of thinks that he's killed this 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.720 monster that sort of follows them, but it turns out 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:05.959 that is not the case. And Robin steel's the monsters 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.960 or the demon's kind of cloak that he left behind 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.480 and his boots because who doesn't want a delightful pair 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:17.840 of boots, and lo and behold, he finds out that 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.400 the boots give him the power to like basically jump high, 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:27.040 walk on air, and then the cloak is very much invisible, 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:32.600 kind of cloak invisibility cloak coded. He can find different 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.720 ways to use it. But what he doesn't know, and 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.159 this is the question. Now, they could easily do this 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.600 because we have seen this character already. What he doesn't 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:48.399 know is he essentially becomes like the herald or the 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:54.359 host for the dread Door Marmou, the Lord of the 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:59.880 Dark Diamond, and obviously we've seen Dormamo in the original. 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.600 Doctors think they will do that? 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.119 Is I think they will do because I think that 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:10.399 there is a I think there's an interesting route they 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.560 could go here that doesn't feel so insanely like cosmic, 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.000 where it's more sort of like when he puts the 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.879 hood on, he doesn't know why it controls him, or 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.080 kind of green Goblin esque. I think that is very 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:28.480 very and then maybe that you know, really's in Chicago. 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:30.879 It's not that far from New York, Like if we 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.840 need a doctor Strange, you know, they love to have 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.080 Stephen Strange be the kind of overseer of a young 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.240 character nowadays. It's worked very well for them in Spider Man. 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.080 So I'm going to be interested. The thing I think 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:46.520 that is really intriguing about the Hood is he is 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.840 just connected to so many weird characters, like one of 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:54.600 your favorite characters, the Beyonder, and he is also you know, 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.600 he has been kind of different. He's been in different spaces. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.080 He's been in Battle World, which we think is going 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.400 to come up in Secret Wars. He has a gang. 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.560 He has a gang. He has in the comics at 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.560 least you know towards the end of Dark Rain and 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.600 the Siege, when it kind of when the Dark Rain 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.359 falls apart. Well, first of all, let me just say this. 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:17.760 The thing that I like about Parker and the way 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.920 that Brian Michael Bendis positioned him is he was and 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:23.920 I think this can work in the current MCU is 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.399 he was one of these villains, this kind of like 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:31.080 new generation of villains who, alongside some of the bigger names, 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:37.399 took advantage of the weakness of the superhero community in 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.600 the wake of Civil War and the distrust that like 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.160 the public had for them and the disappearance of various 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:47.399 superheroes to become more powerful, to gain more kind of 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.760 criminal territory. And I think that's something that they can. 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.320 Do with very doable even post on this. Yes, because 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.600 the Avengers are your new Avengers are essentially criminals. 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.560 Parker finagled like a sea. It literally a seated like 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.159 the Evil Illuminati table off of this, and you're so 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.680 right to mention his connections to other criminals. One of 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:13.520 my favorites is he rescues and then kind of begins 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:15.679 a relationship with Madam Mask. 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:19.680 Connected to Hawkeye again, I feel like connected to Hawkey 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:24.840 feel good Hawkeye Marvel TV connections here because that is 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.520 who Kate Bishop's mom was revealed to be. I just 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.720 think there's so much interesting stuff that they could do 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.199 that is easy to connect without anything. 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:37.080 Madam Mask in the comics is listen. I don't know 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.080 that we ever see this character, but Madam Mask, at 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.320 least in the comics, is the daughter of the beloved 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:48.639 daughter of Count Nefaria, who is yes, is one of 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:54.679 the strongest like strength wise just pure strength super villains. 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:58.000 He's immortal. You can't kill him because of a science 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.679 experiment he did, and he is like in the class 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:08.000 of strength of like four and is I think one 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:11.720 of the most interesting super villains because he's like truly 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.760 modeled after like a nineteen twenties silent movie. Oh yeah, 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:20.080 mustache twirling type, like that's how he looks. He's got 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:23.639 this like kind of evil guy mustache, and he dresses 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.560 in cloaks and suits and stuff. 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.159 Oh yeah, which also very the Hood code. It the 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:31.160 Hood is a very old school like kind of almost 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.119 like Aerol Flynn in a Robin Hood movie kind of 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:36.040 villain the so it have so. 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.520 One of the things I really like about the pairing 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:44.000 of Reary and Parker is this idea of a generation 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:46.720 clash of these two characters, one who will go dark, 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.040 one who will go light, but both who are like 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:54.479 coming up against the more established generation of heroes who 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.720 are either gone or are there and are less effective 0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:59.879 than they used to be and are carving out their 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.920 own like space within that. I think that can be. 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:06.600 I think that's a really point. I would also say, 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.000 as you might have guessed from us talking about this, 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:13.480 there is like an extensive amount of Parker Robin's Law, 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:16.840 like he has been in everything from Avengers to ghost Rider, 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:21.439 and interestingly, there was an era where he lost his powers. 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:23.040 I feel like we could see that at the end 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:26.080 of the movie. Potentially we also know that's when he 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:33.680 then made a deal with Mephisto. Mephisto, guys, everyone, so 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.399 everyone has there was a time when in the comics 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.400 that Parker Robins made a deal with Mefisto to get 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.200 his powers back after he'd lost his powers and been 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.120 thrown off Earth. And then he comes back to Earth. 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:46.000 And this is very much in the kind of like 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:51.159 space that a Midnight Suns could happen because he's with 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:55.040 ghost Rider else a Bloodstone Talia war Road like. There 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:59.520 is a lot of dark horror kind of more in 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:01.320 that dial of Werewolf by Night. 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:05.040 Do we Seeisto in Hired Heart? 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.399 This is the question many people have wondered, whether we 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:10.919 will see Mephisto and Iron Heart. 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.119 Or do we Is there a hint of Mephisto? 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:17.679 I think that I think that would be a Mephisto tease. 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:23.280 Though they have been teasing Mephisto. Me and that Casey 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:25.840 still know every day that we messed you guys around 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:27.439 with the Mephisto stuff. We're sorry. 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:29.080 I still love Mephisto. 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:31.639 I still think it's a you know, an interesting point. 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.119 And as we know, that's a plotline that Elizabeth Olsen 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:38.359 would love to explore and we would all love to 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.199 see it. There was a rumor for a long time 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:47.280 that Sasha Bara Cohen was its absolutely crazy casting if true, 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.359 and he is allegedly in this movie in the show 0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.440