Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Black Panther, What Kind
Speaker 1: Of Forever, because we're gonna be talking about Ironheart and
Speaker 1: her history and the MCU and comics.
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Speaker 2: Last news in today's episode, if you listen to the
Speaker 2: spoiler warning, you may have an idea what we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about. We're getting you prepped for the Ironheart television
Speaker 2: show with the background on our history in both the
Speaker 2: MCU and comics. So maybe we'll do a little prediction.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do it dive into comics and let's see
Speaker 2: where this goes. Because iron Heart is a bit of
Speaker 2: a mystery prospect for us right now. We've only had
Speaker 2: a couple of adverts for it, a couple of trailers.
Speaker 2: It's looking very different. We spoke to the fantastic Sam Bailey,
Speaker 2: So let's stick into what we already know about re
Speaker 2: Re and what that could tell us about the show.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Rhewey Williams. Re Re makes her
Speaker 1: MCU debut in the twenty twenty two film Will kind
Speaker 1: Of Forever, directed by Ryan Cooler with the screenplay by
Speaker 1: Ryan and Joe Robert Cole. This is, of course, the
Speaker 1: first movie post the death of King T'Challa, the movie
Speaker 1: that really had to grapple with the untimely death of
Speaker 1: Chadwick Boseman, who chocklingly passed away due to cancer. And
Speaker 1: just as a remembrance of this movie and the fact,
Speaker 1: you know, I watched it recently, rewatched it recently to
Speaker 1: say it, it does way better than it should considering
Speaker 1: the challenges that it.
Speaker 2: Faced to be Ryan Coogler, who made this movie after
Speaker 2: the death of a close friend who was essentially the
Speaker 2: reason he could even make Black Panther. Is so heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that at the time, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, this movie made so much money. It's not
Speaker 2: that did not impact it in a you know, financial way,
Speaker 2: But I do think at the time it was tough
Speaker 2: for people to watch because the original Black Panther film
Speaker 2: had been such a joyous kind of celebration and such
Speaker 2: a cultural moment, and this movie had to be way
Speaker 2: more somber and had to actually, you know, reckon with
Speaker 2: the fact that Chadwick had died and then in this
Speaker 2: version that T'Challa had died. And it's really really interesting,
Speaker 2: and they do a lot of really deep stuff when
Speaker 2: it comes to the exploration of nay More, who they
Speaker 2: kind of reimagine here is no More and they give
Speaker 2: him a fantastic origin story that we never got in
Speaker 2: the comics. One of the lines inactly.
Speaker 1: Other thing that really impressed me was one the the
Speaker 1: retcon of no More and how seamlessly they made his
Speaker 1: name make sense, I know, biography of the character, and
Speaker 1: I was like, goddamn, that like really worked. That was
Speaker 1: really good. That really worked. I was. I was really
Speaker 1: impressed with that. Let's talk about Rory Williams. So the
Speaker 1: plot of this movie hinges on the search for vibranium
Speaker 1: and the hunger, the desire that countries around the world
Speaker 1: have for this substance, which now that they know about
Speaker 1: it and know that it exists in huge quotes only
Speaker 1: seemingly in Wakanda as far as anybody knows, they would
Speaker 1: like it because they have discovered that it can theoretically
Speaker 1: be used for weapons of mass destruction. And the idea
Speaker 1: is that, well, if hold on, now, Wakanda has potentially
Speaker 1: like advanced vibranium based weapons of mass destruction. None of
Speaker 1: us have it. We don't know what it is. And
Speaker 1: now we didn't even know this country existed on the
Speaker 1: on the level of geopolitical strength that it actually exists on.
Speaker 1: And all of this is new to us, and it's
Speaker 1: extremely destabilizing and what's going on. So they hold all
Speaker 1: these hearings, and while they're holding the hearings in which they,
Speaker 1: you know, question Queen Romanda about the vibranium and Wakanda's
Speaker 1: possession of vibranium, they are also secretly spearheaded by the French.
Speaker 1: It's the French, those evil French cheese, those evil French cheese.
Speaker 1: They are also the name of the world secretly hunting
Speaker 1: one for kind of vulnerable Wakandan bases where they could
Speaker 1: maybe steal some vibranium, or they are looking around the
Speaker 1: world for other sources. And they are using the research
Speaker 1: of one MIT student, one genius MIT student named Reerey Williams,
Speaker 1: who has discovered a way to kind of like scan
Speaker 1: for vibranium, and they have found some under the sea,
Speaker 1: and this is what brings ree Rey Williams to the
Speaker 1: notice of both the CIA and eventually to Wakandan security
Speaker 1: agents and also the the Atlanteans. Do I have that correct, Rosa.
Speaker 2: You have that correct? And also important to note that
Speaker 2: no more and kind of Wakanda and everyone other than
Speaker 2: famous right, you know, fed Ever k Ross don't know
Speaker 2: that she is like a student. They think this is
Speaker 2: some American weapons program, some American scientists, and it kind
Speaker 2: of comes as a shock, but wouldn't be a shock
Speaker 2: to us because we know that really is one of
Speaker 2: the most intelligent people in the Marvel Universe, sometimes the most.
Speaker 2: I think that is still a lunari. I think Moon
Speaker 2: Girl is still technically the most intelligent person in the MCU.
Speaker 2: But it's a really interesting twist because then you also
Speaker 2: get this conflict once again Coogler doing what he does best,
Speaker 2: between even the more Shuri Wakanda. They come to mit
Speaker 2: at first because they think that Rear is an enemy,
Speaker 2: but really ends up being taken to Wakanda at first
Speaker 2: almost as a prisoner, and then ends up connecting with Shuri.
Speaker 2: Having this really kind of beautiful friendship and finding herself
Speaker 2: even more so in the space of Wakanda and being
Speaker 2: able to build that first suit, and we get to
Speaker 2: see her in it, you know, momentarily during that crazy
Speaker 2: final battle, which I think for many people was kind
Speaker 2: of the question mark moment of like did the movie
Speaker 2: land for them? Did it not? There's this huge battle
Speaker 2: where they're luring the more and his warriors, and there's
Speaker 2: kind of this question over, you know if you're watching it,
Speaker 2: like who should they really be fighting? And eventually, you know,
Speaker 2: we see that they come together and he surrenders, and
Speaker 2: they kind of make this almost like a loose friend
Speaker 2: kind of like it's not a true alliance, but it's
Speaker 2: like Talakan and Wakanda kind of wink at each other
Speaker 2: and say, hey, will we'll be there And then interestingly,
Speaker 2: which I thought was very interesting and I'm sure we'll
Speaker 2: see happen in Ironheart, we'll see this reckoned with but
Speaker 2: sure it makes really leave her suit in Wakanda. Oh so,
Speaker 2: then much too much Wakandan technology? Do you feel like
Speaker 2: that's a bit unfair seeing as Bucky has a Wakandon
Speaker 2: arm that he's just throwing in the dishwasher. But no,
Speaker 2: he did.
Speaker 1: They know him for several years there. To be fair
Speaker 1: to Bucky, he stayed there for for a number of
Speaker 1: years and gained their trust over time. Reary is still
Speaker 1: an unknown quantity, you two.
Speaker 2: And I would also say point sets up a great
Speaker 2: thing for iron Heart because we know that she is
Speaker 2: now going to want to do anything to be able
Speaker 2: to create a suit that, as she says in the trailer,
Speaker 2: is undeniable. But that here we also see like she
Speaker 2: has already experienced what it's like to be able to
Speaker 2: build something fantastic, something unbelievable, which is what she did
Speaker 2: in Wakanda. So I think that adds like a really
Speaker 2: interesting kind of cool conflict. And also, as you know,
Speaker 2: we talked about this when the movie came out, But
Speaker 2: the thing about this is there is this really interesting
Speaker 2: cultural exchange between Wakanda and the rest of the Marvel
Speaker 2: Comics universe. In the comics, like kids are often going
Speaker 2: for like a exchange trip y, you know, like going
Speaker 2: to Wakanda and coming back and sure, he's coming to America.
Speaker 2: And so I think this is kind of a fun
Speaker 2: play on that in a movie that had to deal
Speaker 2: with a lot of serious stuff and yeah, the other
Speaker 2: fun things that come out of this. I don't think
Speaker 2: we're going to see, you know, impact Ironheart, but I
Speaker 2: do love and Barku ends up becoming King of Wakanda. Yes,
Speaker 2: I love Embarku so love that we all send you.
Speaker 2: And obviously in the mid credits scene, will this play
Speaker 2: into the future of the MCU hard to know. We
Speaker 2: do learn that T'Challa has a son who Nakia has
Speaker 2: been kind of Bob and I don't love the fact
Speaker 2: that she just named him T'Challa. I understand, but in
Speaker 2: the nature of the naming conventions of Wakandan's in the comics,
Speaker 2: that is not what would happen. But I think it's
Speaker 2: very sweet. That moment definitely had all of us crying
Speaker 2: in the cinema, and that is that's why we leave
Speaker 2: Wakana forever. And as we said, re Rea's status quo
Speaker 2: at the end of that, she's back at MIT and
Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting to see. I'm guessing from what
Speaker 2: we've seen in the trailers she is back in Chicago
Speaker 2: and the show. I don't think she's in MIT anymore.
Speaker 2: I think that's over.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the show and what we know
Speaker 1: about the show. Here is the blurb the log line
Speaker 1: log sentence of Ironheart, which will debut shortly quote. Following
Speaker 1: the events of the film Black Panther Wikonda, Forever Mit
Speaker 1: student Reerey Williams returns home to Chicago, where she becomes
Speaker 1: entangled with the enigmatic Parker Robbins aka the Hood, discovering
Speaker 1: secrets that pit technology against magic, setting her on a
Speaker 1: path of danger an adventure. Now, I think clearly, from
Speaker 1: what we know and from the kind of from the
Speaker 1: official language that's out there, it seems as if re
Speaker 1: Rey and Parker start off as allies, yes, and I
Speaker 1: think what will eventually drive them apart is well, I
Speaker 1: think very clearly we're going to see Parker get his
Speaker 1: powers in.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that we will explore the notion of
Speaker 2: magic in a more obvious way here. I would also
Speaker 2: say that if we look to the comics, because I
Speaker 2: think something that people have been understandably kind of confused
Speaker 2: about or worried about is like, well, how come when
Speaker 2: it's to show about a young black woman, suddenly it's
Speaker 2: about crime and it's about evil, and it's about are
Speaker 2: you what are you going to do? And obviously there
Speaker 2: are arguments of like a, well, why would you make
Speaker 2: it easy? This is a realistic you know, they're trying
Speaker 2: to do a realistic take. But what I think people
Speaker 2: aren't talking about is that this is actually all Also
Speaker 2: one of the key parts of Reeary's Law not obviously
Speaker 2: a dalliance with the Hood, but when Really was first
Speaker 2: introduced by Brian Michael Bendis, there was and Mike Diodato,
Speaker 2: there was a situation where she was kind of a
Speaker 2: she was just a teenage girl and they had a
Speaker 2: lot of issues with a similar like there was a
Speaker 2: sexy Jascott Campbell cover for her even though she was fifteen,
Speaker 2: and that was in October twenty sixteen, and there was
Speaker 2: you know her, she was very much just like she
Speaker 2: stole an Iron Man suit and she made it her own,
Speaker 2: and it was a cool character that people were really
Speaker 2: excited to see designed. But it was when there was
Speaker 2: the Champions Run, which people did feel like kind of
Speaker 2: expanded her a bit more, which was your kind of
Speaker 2: gym's up at Emilio Leso stuff. But it was really
Speaker 2: when Eviewing and Kevin Lebranda came on with her first
Speaker 2: solo series that re re really kind of started to
Speaker 2: grow out. And there had been criticisms of Revery Rely
Speaker 2: early on, very much in the same way I think
Speaker 2: that people talked about Amadea's show, but with him they
Speaker 2: were like, this is an interesting, complicated character. But with
Speaker 2: Really they were like, she's a sociopath. She's stealing all
Speaker 2: the time. Why is she doing this? Like why doesn't
Speaker 2: she care about the rules? Like and so what Eve
Speaker 2: did was Eve you know who we love friend of
Speaker 2: the pod. You can listen to her talking about kind
Speaker 2: of Forever on our kind of Forever episode. But what
Speaker 2: Eve did was she basically made that part of Real's
Speaker 2: character arc was like the fear that I think we
Speaker 2: all have of are we a bad person? Could we
Speaker 2: do evil? Could we do harm? And basically made every
Speaker 2: choice that she made was about proving to herself that
Speaker 2: she wasn't that person and she wanted to help her community.
Speaker 2: So I think, in its own way, it seems like
Speaker 2: the show is echoing that storyline in a little bit more.
Speaker 2: I would say, of what seems like from what we're
Speaker 2: seeing kind of a black and white way, but it
Speaker 2: also does seem like it's going to lean into from
Speaker 2: our conversation with Sam Bailey. I think this notion of
Speaker 2: like a found family outside of the constructs of the MCU,
Speaker 2: and there's going to be these different characters like Parker,
Speaker 2: and it seems kind of a kind of crew of
Speaker 2: people who I think will see re re develop that
Speaker 2: with and then we'll have to make choices between good
Speaker 2: and bad and what she does. And I mean, isn't
Speaker 2: that the ultimate superhero kind of situation? Haven't they all
Speaker 2: had to do that at some point?
Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of the interesting questions that
Speaker 1: linger over this. First of all, tell us about Parker
Speaker 1: Robbins in the MCU. So, okay, one of our one
Speaker 1: of the more recent Brian Michael. Yeah, a character who
Speaker 1: is significantly elevated by the run of Brian Michael.
Speaker 2: Bendis across, isn't this isn't impact so big on the
Speaker 2: mc It's.
Speaker 1: It's massive, maybe the you know, it's hard to say
Speaker 1: the single biggest person, but certainly one of a huge
Speaker 1: impact because a lot of the storylines and characters and
Speaker 1: frames for certain characters come from runs of it.
Speaker 2: Also is very interesting because the original first phase of
Speaker 2: the MCU had a council that included Brian Michael Bendis
Speaker 2: that included Matt fraction, that included different comic but creators,
Speaker 2: so it's interesting to see them kind of still go
Speaker 2: this way. Also another iconic creative team here, because The
Speaker 2: Hood was actually created by Brian ca Vaughn and Kyle Holt.
Speaker 2: Brian Cavoughn behind Saga, one of our favorite a very
Speaker 2: sho BKV. Because also so basically Parker Robins is a
Speaker 2: low level criminal. He is, Interestingly, I would love to
Speaker 2: see if they explore this, you know how the MCU
Speaker 2: as we've seen it with the new characters like Hawkeye, Kate, Hawkye.
Speaker 2: It's all about how it feels to grow up in
Speaker 2: the era of the Avengers. She remembers seeing Hawkeye look
Speaker 2: down on her and she had and in the comics,
Speaker 2: Parker Robbins is obsessed with super villains, like the clamorous
Speaker 2: life of a super villain. That he loves Electro, which
Speaker 2: I love because that's like a weird He dates.
Speaker 1: Dates a super villain's daughter. Yes, yes, yes, loves supervillains.
Speaker 2: Yes exactly, Like he's kind of obsessed with it and
Speaker 2: it's very all so, and I think I feel like
Speaker 2: this has gotta be intentional if you are a Batman fan,
Speaker 2: if you've read The Killing Joke, if you've read the
Speaker 2: original Golden Age Batman stuff, there is an origin for
Speaker 2: the Joker where he is essentially the Red Hood and
Speaker 2: he's a low level criminal. He wears the Hood. He
Speaker 2: goes and does his you know crime, He gets set
Speaker 2: up for it and he falls in the acme acid
Speaker 2: and he gets his acid. This is very much a similar.
Speaker 1: Things the Cash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a pregnant girlfriend who doesn't know that
Speaker 2: he's a criminal, and he does a heist and incredibly
Speaker 2: this is like one of my all time favorite kind
Speaker 2: of comic book things. And I doubt that they're going
Speaker 2: to go this route, but I would love it. He
Speaker 2: stumbles upon a magical seance Jason.
Speaker 1: As happens in the comics quite often.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Robins kind of thinks that he's killed this
Speaker 2: monster that sort of follows them, but it turns out
Speaker 2: that is not the case. And Robin steel's the monsters
Speaker 2: or the demon's kind of cloak that he left behind
Speaker 2: and his boots because who doesn't want a delightful pair
Speaker 2: of boots, and lo and behold, he finds out that
Speaker 2: the boots give him the power to like basically jump high,
Speaker 2: walk on air, and then the cloak is very much invisible,
Speaker 2: kind of cloak invisibility cloak coded. He can find different
Speaker 2: ways to use it. But what he doesn't know, and
Speaker 2: this is the question. Now, they could easily do this
Speaker 2: because we have seen this character already. What he doesn't
Speaker 2: know is he essentially becomes like the herald or the
Speaker 2: host for the dread Door Marmou, the Lord of the
Speaker 2: Dark Diamond, and obviously we've seen Dormamo in the original.
Speaker 1: Doctors think they will do that?
Speaker 2: Is I think they will do because I think that
Speaker 2: there is a I think there's an interesting route they
Speaker 2: could go here that doesn't feel so insanely like cosmic,
Speaker 2: where it's more sort of like when he puts the
Speaker 2: hood on, he doesn't know why it controls him, or
Speaker 2: kind of green Goblin esque. I think that is very
Speaker 2: very and then maybe that you know, really's in Chicago.
Speaker 2: It's not that far from New York, Like if we
Speaker 2: need a doctor Strange, you know, they love to have
Speaker 2: Stephen Strange be the kind of overseer of a young
Speaker 2: character nowadays. It's worked very well for them in Spider Man.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to be interested. The thing I think
Speaker 2: that is really intriguing about the Hood is he is
Speaker 2: just connected to so many weird characters, like one of
Speaker 2: your favorite characters, the Beyonder, and he is also you know,
Speaker 2: he has been kind of different. He's been in different spaces.
Speaker 2: He's been in Battle World, which we think is going
Speaker 2: to come up in Secret Wars. He has a gang.
Speaker 1: He has a gang. He has in the comics at
Speaker 1: least you know towards the end of Dark Rain and
Speaker 1: the Siege, when it kind of when the Dark Rain
Speaker 1: falls apart. Well, first of all, let me just say this.
Speaker 1: The thing that I like about Parker and the way
Speaker 1: that Brian Michael Bendis positioned him is he was and
Speaker 1: I think this can work in the current MCU is
Speaker 1: he was one of these villains, this kind of like
Speaker 1: new generation of villains who, alongside some of the bigger names,
Speaker 1: took advantage of the weakness of the superhero community in
Speaker 1: the wake of Civil War and the distrust that like
Speaker 1: the public had for them and the disappearance of various
Speaker 1: superheroes to become more powerful, to gain more kind of
Speaker 1: criminal territory. And I think that's something that they can.
Speaker 2: Do with very doable even post on this. Yes, because
Speaker 2: the Avengers are your new Avengers are essentially criminals.
Speaker 1: Parker finagled like a sea. It literally a seated like
Speaker 1: the Evil Illuminati table off of this, and you're so
Speaker 1: right to mention his connections to other criminals. One of
Speaker 1: my favorites is he rescues and then kind of begins
Speaker 1: a relationship with Madam Mask.
Speaker 2: Connected to Hawkeye again, I feel like connected to Hawkey
Speaker 2: feel good Hawkeye Marvel TV connections here because that is
Speaker 2: who Kate Bishop's mom was revealed to be. I just
Speaker 2: think there's so much interesting stuff that they could do
Speaker 2: that is easy to connect without anything.
Speaker 1: Madam Mask in the comics is listen. I don't know
Speaker 1: that we ever see this character, but Madam Mask, at
Speaker 1: least in the comics, is the daughter of the beloved
Speaker 1: daughter of Count Nefaria, who is yes, is one of
Speaker 1: the strongest like strength wise just pure strength super villains.
Speaker 1: He's immortal. You can't kill him because of a science
Speaker 1: experiment he did, and he is like in the class
Speaker 1: of strength of like four and is I think one
Speaker 1: of the most interesting super villains because he's like truly
Speaker 1: modeled after like a nineteen twenties silent movie. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: mustache twirling type, like that's how he looks. He's got
Speaker 1: this like kind of evil guy mustache, and he dresses
Speaker 1: in cloaks and suits and stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which also very the Hood code. It the
Speaker 2: Hood is a very old school like kind of almost
Speaker 2: like Aerol Flynn in a Robin Hood movie kind of
Speaker 2: villain the so it have so.
Speaker 1: One of the things I really like about the pairing
Speaker 1: of Reary and Parker is this idea of a generation
Speaker 1: clash of these two characters, one who will go dark,
Speaker 1: one who will go light, but both who are like
Speaker 1: coming up against the more established generation of heroes who
Speaker 1: are either gone or are there and are less effective
Speaker 1: than they used to be and are carving out their
Speaker 1: own like space within that. I think that can be.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really point. I would also say,
Speaker 2: as you might have guessed from us talking about this,
Speaker 2: there is like an extensive amount of Parker Robin's Law,
Speaker 2: like he has been in everything from Avengers to ghost Rider,
Speaker 2: and interestingly, there was an era where he lost his powers.
Speaker 2: I feel like we could see that at the end
Speaker 2: of the movie. Potentially we also know that's when he
Speaker 2: then made a deal with Mephisto. Mephisto, guys, everyone, so
Speaker 2: everyone has there was a time when in the comics
Speaker 2: that Parker Robins made a deal with Mefisto to get
Speaker 2: his powers back after he'd lost his powers and been
Speaker 2: thrown off Earth. And then he comes back to Earth.
Speaker 2: And this is very much in the kind of like
Speaker 2: space that a Midnight Suns could happen because he's with
Speaker 2: ghost Rider else a Bloodstone Talia war Road like. There
Speaker 2: is a lot of dark horror kind of more in
Speaker 2: that dial of Werewolf by Night.
Speaker 1: Do we Seeisto in Hired Heart?
Speaker 2: This is the question many people have wondered, whether we
Speaker 2: will see Mephisto and Iron Heart.
Speaker 1: Or do we Is there a hint of Mephisto?
Speaker 2: I think that I think that would be a Mephisto tease.
Speaker 2: Though they have been teasing Mephisto. Me and that Casey
Speaker 2: still know every day that we messed you guys around
Speaker 2: with the Mephisto stuff. We're sorry.
Speaker 1: I still love Mephisto.
Speaker 2: I still think it's a you know, an interesting point.
Speaker 2: And as we know, that's a plotline that Elizabeth Olsen
Speaker 2: would love to explore and we would all love to
Speaker 2: see it. There was a rumor for a long time
Speaker 2: that Sasha Bara Cohen was its absolutely crazy casting if true,
Speaker 2: and he is allegedly in this movie in the show
Speaker 2: in an unnamed role, so perhaps we could see Mephisto. Finally,
Speaker 2: it feels unlikely because Disney is definitely giving this one
Speaker 2: of those like not one hundred percent sure of it releases.
Speaker 2: We get the first three episodes and then we get one, two,
Speaker 2: three weekly, which is nice to have the little extra
Speaker 2: space to discuss it, but only six episodes. I'm putting
Speaker 2: them the Fisto likelihood pretty low, unless they just want
Speaker 2: to get it over with because they're sick of us
Speaker 2: all talking about it. I feel like they know this
Speaker 2: is one of the ultimate MCU fang conversations that has
Speaker 2: been going on since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: At please clearly know about it. I think that they're
Speaker 1: I think it's possible that there's a tease, but I
Speaker 1: think if if there's any real Mephisto action, yeah, I
Speaker 1: doubt we see it until like Secret Wars or something
Speaker 1: like that. I think so. And if it is, if
Speaker 1: it gets mad that like Doom reconfigured me exactly and
Speaker 1: has to sell his soul and get power from the physical,
Speaker 1: you know, if.
Speaker 2: We're seething like a brand new day First Spider for
Speaker 2: the next Spider movie. My dream version would be that
Speaker 2: that is like Peter and he is a college professor
Speaker 2: who is teaching, you know, a class where or a
Speaker 2: high school where maybe Miles goes. I think that's where
Speaker 2: they should go with that. But I could see a
Speaker 2: version where because everybody forgot Peter, he maybe makes a
Speaker 2: wish that Mary Jane would still mj would still remember him,
Speaker 2: and there could be a Mephisto introduction there. I will
Speaker 2: also say my thing that I hope that they do
Speaker 2: take with this is there has been so much cool
Speaker 2: stuff of Parker Robbins leading a gang. So he's had
Speaker 2: his Death Watch gang. He's had a cult known as
Speaker 2: the dark Holders who want to By the way, what
Speaker 2: did they want to do? They wanted to recreate the
Speaker 2: Dark Hold. That's something we need in the MCU again
Speaker 2: after every dark Hold was destroyed. That's connected to Jack
Speaker 2: Russell who he met with in debd in Well Wealf
Speaker 2: by Night. So I actually hope that they play a
Speaker 2: little more on the darkness and the horror and the
Speaker 2: connections that he has to Hell, to Dormamu, to all
Speaker 2: these different places. I think it's going to be really interesting.
Speaker 2: And I do think as well. We know Dominique Thorne
Speaker 2: is funny. We know that she held her own in
Speaker 2: this massive movie where there was this huge gaping hole
Speaker 2: of Chadwick's loss, and I am really excited to see
Speaker 2: her take on this kind of leading role in a
Speaker 2: space where it's all about her and it's all about Chicago,
Speaker 2: because that's the other thing. Eve Viewing is known for
Speaker 2: making really a real Chicago kid something that actually feels
Speaker 2: authentic to the people who live there, and we don't
Speaker 2: often get that. So I'm really excited about that. Parker Robbins,
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see him. Let's see what they can do.
Speaker 2: I want to see how they bring the hood to life. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a world where this happens, but
Speaker 2: you know, in the two thousand and eight era of
Speaker 2: the MCU, I would have said this, do you think
Speaker 2: there's a world where the reason that Parker needs really
Speaker 2: is because he actually doesn't have any magic. How is
Speaker 2: a tool and he's kind of wizard of ozzing it
Speaker 2: and needs to help him make that's interesting, like the
Speaker 2: technology that makes him seem like he has.
Speaker 1: Powers, interesting interesting twist, very skeleton crew esque in the mystery.
Speaker 1: I think that there is a chance for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do wonder if that's actually a great idea, because
Speaker 1: you can have you could have Parker doing stuff that
Speaker 1: is rereas technology where everybody thinks, oh, this is a
Speaker 1: guy that can do things, and then at a certain
Speaker 1: point it he gets the powers, gets the actual magic hold,
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, he's really doing something that's
Speaker 1: really interesting and we'd.
Speaker 2: Be a cool I'm here, I'm wondering because I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: like he's going to have this group. He's got these
Speaker 2: kind of big statements about like what would you do?
Speaker 2: Like would you do this thing? So I wonder if
Speaker 2: sometimes some of the text she's using, some of the
Speaker 2: tech she's creating, is maybe for that purpose. I like
Speaker 2: a kind of Wizard of Oz the Emperor is wearing
Speaker 2: no clothes kind of twist, and I feel like it'd
Speaker 2: be very grounded in the MCU. But I also love magic,
Speaker 2: so I do hope we're going to have some kind
Speaker 2: of magical element or maybe his thing is that he
Speaker 2: collects kids and young people and people because we know
Speaker 2: at least some of the other people who are going
Speaker 2: to be in the gang. Maybe the notion is he
Speaker 2: kind of surrounds himself with people who have powers, who
Speaker 2: have skills to make himself seem like he also does.
Speaker 2: So I'd be interested to see that. How much for
Speaker 2: that are we going to get in six episodes? I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I'm just basically stoked to see re
Speaker 2: recome to life, and I'm interested because I feel like
Speaker 2: the hood could be like a big win for them
Speaker 2: if they get it right.
Speaker 1: Well. Ironheart drops June twenty fourth on Disney Pluse.
Speaker 2: Disney Pluse, We'll be watching.
Speaker 1: We'll be watching tomorrow on Excervision. Join us for another
Speaker 1: popcorn pop out as we review twenty eight years later.
Speaker 3: The it's either the final movie in this That's How She's,
Speaker 3: That's How She's a twenty eight trilogy, or it is
Speaker 3: the first movie after the original duology that begins the
Speaker 3: next twenty eight your case, But Aaron just chatted.
Speaker 2: Us and was like, why not both? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty five, baby, why not both?
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