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Today's episode contains spoilers for Black Panther, What Kind 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Of Forever, because we're gonna be talking about Ironheart and 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: her history and the MCU and comics. 4 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: Hello. 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Knight and 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: welcome back to X Ray Visions of Vodkas, Movie IV, 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: your favorite shows, movies, comics at pop culture coming to 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: you from my Her podcast, where we'll bring you three 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Monday. 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: Last news in today's episode, if you listen to the 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: spoiler warning, you may have an idea what we're gonna 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: talk about. We're getting you prepped for the Ironheart television 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: show with the background on our history in both the 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: MCU and comics. So maybe we'll do a little prediction. 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do it dive into comics and let's see 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: where this goes. Because iron Heart is a bit of 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: a mystery prospect for us right now. We've only had 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: a couple of adverts for it, a couple of trailers. 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: It's looking very different. We spoke to the fantastic Sam Bailey, 20 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: So let's stick into what we already know about re 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: Re and what that could tell us about the show. 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Rhewey Williams. Re Re makes her 23 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: MCU debut in the twenty twenty two film Will kind 24 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: Of Forever, directed by Ryan Cooler with the screenplay by 25 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: Ryan and Joe Robert Cole. This is, of course, the 26 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: first movie post the death of King T'Challa, the movie 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: that really had to grapple with the untimely death of 28 00:01:51,840 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: Chadwick Boseman, who chocklingly passed away due to cancer. And 29 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: just as a remembrance of this movie and the fact, 30 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, I watched it recently, rewatched it recently to 31 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: say it, it does way better than it should considering 32 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: the challenges that it. 33 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: Faced to be Ryan Coogler, who made this movie after 34 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: the death of a close friend who was essentially the 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: reason he could even make Black Panther. Is so heartbreaking. 36 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that at the time, you know, 37 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: I mean, this movie made so much money. It's not 38 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: that did not impact it in a you know, financial way, 39 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: But I do think at the time it was tough 40 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: for people to watch because the original Black Panther film 41 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: had been such a joyous kind of celebration and such 42 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: a cultural moment, and this movie had to be way 43 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: more somber and had to actually, you know, reckon with 44 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: the fact that Chadwick had died and then in this 45 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 2: version that T'Challa had died. And it's really really interesting, 46 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: and they do a lot of really deep stuff when 47 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: it comes to the exploration of nay More, who they 48 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: kind of reimagine here is no More and they give 49 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: him a fantastic origin story that we never got in 50 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: the comics. One of the lines inactly. 51 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: Other thing that really impressed me was one the the 52 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: retcon of no More and how seamlessly they made his 53 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 1: name make sense, I know, biography of the character, and 54 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: I was like, goddamn, that like really worked. That was 55 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: really good. That really worked. I was. I was really 56 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: impressed with that. Let's talk about Rory Williams. So the 57 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: plot of this movie hinges on the search for vibranium 58 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: and the hunger, the desire that countries around the world 59 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: have for this substance, which now that they know about 60 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: it and know that it exists in huge quotes only 61 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: seemingly in Wakanda as far as anybody knows, they would 62 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: like it because they have discovered that it can theoretically 63 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: be used for weapons of mass destruction. And the idea 64 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: is that, well, if hold on, now, Wakanda has potentially 65 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: like advanced vibranium based weapons of mass destruction. None of 66 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: us have it. We don't know what it is. And 67 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: now we didn't even know this country existed on the 68 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: on the level of geopolitical strength that it actually exists on. 69 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: And all of this is new to us, and it's 70 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: extremely destabilizing and what's going on. So they hold all 71 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: these hearings, and while they're holding the hearings in which they, 72 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, question Queen Romanda about the vibranium and Wakanda's 73 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: possession of vibranium, they are also secretly spearheaded by the French. 74 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: It's the French, those evil French cheese, those evil French cheese. 75 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: They are also the name of the world secretly hunting 76 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: one for kind of vulnerable Wakandan bases where they could 77 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: maybe steal some vibranium, or they are looking around the 78 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: world for other sources. And they are using the research 79 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: of one MIT student, one genius MIT student named Reerey Williams, 80 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: who has discovered a way to kind of like scan 81 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: for vibranium, and they have found some under the sea, 82 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: and this is what brings ree Rey Williams to the 83 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: notice of both the CIA and eventually to Wakandan security 84 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: agents and also the the Atlanteans. Do I have that correct, Rosa. 85 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: You have that correct? And also important to note that 86 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: no more and kind of Wakanda and everyone other than 87 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: famous right, you know, fed Ever k Ross don't know 88 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: that she is like a student. They think this is 89 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: some American weapons program, some American scientists, and it kind 90 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: of comes as a shock, but wouldn't be a shock 91 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: to us because we know that really is one of 92 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: the most intelligent people in the Marvel Universe, sometimes the most. 93 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: I think that is still a lunari. I think Moon 94 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: Girl is still technically the most intelligent person in the MCU. 95 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 2: But it's a really interesting twist because then you also 96 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: get this conflict once again Coogler doing what he does best, 97 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: between even the more Shuri Wakanda. They come to mit 98 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: at first because they think that Rear is an enemy, 99 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: but really ends up being taken to Wakanda at first 100 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: almost as a prisoner, and then ends up connecting with Shuri. 101 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: Having this really kind of beautiful friendship and finding herself 102 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: even more so in the space of Wakanda and being 103 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: able to build that first suit, and we get to 104 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: see her in it, you know, momentarily during that crazy 105 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: final battle, which I think for many people was kind 106 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: of the question mark moment of like did the movie 107 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: land for them? Did it not? There's this huge battle 108 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: where they're luring the more and his warriors, and there's 109 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: kind of this question over, you know if you're watching it, 110 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: like who should they really be fighting? And eventually, you know, 111 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: we see that they come together and he surrenders, and 112 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: they kind of make this almost like a loose friend 113 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: kind of like it's not a true alliance, but it's 114 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: like Talakan and Wakanda kind of wink at each other 115 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: and say, hey, will we'll be there And then interestingly, 116 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: which I thought was very interesting and I'm sure we'll 117 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: see happen in Ironheart, we'll see this reckoned with but 118 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: sure it makes really leave her suit in Wakanda. Oh so, 119 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: then much too much Wakandan technology? Do you feel like 120 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: that's a bit unfair seeing as Bucky has a Wakandon 121 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: arm that he's just throwing in the dishwasher. But no, 122 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: he did. 123 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: They know him for several years there. To be fair 124 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: to Bucky, he stayed there for for a number of 125 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: years and gained their trust over time. Reary is still 126 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: an unknown quantity, you two. 127 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: And I would also say point sets up a great 128 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: thing for iron Heart because we know that she is 129 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: now going to want to do anything to be able 130 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: to create a suit that, as she says in the trailer, 131 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: is undeniable. But that here we also see like she 132 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: has already experienced what it's like to be able to 133 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: build something fantastic, something unbelievable, which is what she did 134 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: in Wakanda. So I think that adds like a really 135 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: interesting kind of cool conflict. And also, as you know, 136 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: we talked about this when the movie came out, But 137 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: the thing about this is there is this really interesting 138 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: cultural exchange between Wakanda and the rest of the Marvel 139 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: Comics universe. In the comics, like kids are often going 140 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: for like a exchange trip y, you know, like going 141 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: to Wakanda and coming back and sure, he's coming to America. 142 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: And so I think this is kind of a fun 143 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: play on that in a movie that had to deal 144 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 2: with a lot of serious stuff and yeah, the other 145 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: fun things that come out of this. I don't think 146 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: we're going to see, you know, impact Ironheart, but I 147 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: do love and Barku ends up becoming King of Wakanda. Yes, 148 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: I love Embarku so love that we all send you. 149 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: And obviously in the mid credits scene, will this play 150 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: into the future of the MCU hard to know. We 151 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 2: do learn that T'Challa has a son who Nakia has 152 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: been kind of Bob and I don't love the fact 153 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: that she just named him T'Challa. I understand, but in 154 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 2: the nature of the naming conventions of Wakandan's in the comics, 155 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 2: that is not what would happen. But I think it's 156 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: very sweet. That moment definitely had all of us crying 157 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: in the cinema, and that is that's why we leave 158 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: Wakana forever. And as we said, re Rea's status quo 159 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: at the end of that, she's back at MIT and 160 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting to see. I'm guessing from what 161 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: we've seen in the trailers she is back in Chicago 162 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 2: and the show. I don't think she's in MIT anymore. 163 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: I think that's over. 164 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the show and what we know 165 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: about the show. Here is the blurb the log line 166 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: log sentence of Ironheart, which will debut shortly quote. Following 167 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: the events of the film Black Panther Wikonda, Forever Mit 168 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: student Reerey Williams returns home to Chicago, where she becomes 169 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,119 Speaker 1: entangled with the enigmatic Parker Robbins aka the Hood, discovering 170 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: secrets that pit technology against magic, setting her on a 171 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: path of danger an adventure. Now, I think clearly, from 172 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: what we know and from the kind of from the 173 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: official language that's out there, it seems as if re 174 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: Rey and Parker start off as allies, yes, and I 175 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: think what will eventually drive them apart is well, I 176 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: think very clearly we're going to see Parker get his 177 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: powers in. 178 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I think that we will explore the notion of 179 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: magic in a more obvious way here. I would also 180 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: say that if we look to the comics, because I 181 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: think something that people have been understandably kind of confused 182 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: about or worried about is like, well, how come when 183 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: it's to show about a young black woman, suddenly it's 184 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: about crime and it's about evil, and it's about are 185 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: you what are you going to do? And obviously there 186 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: are arguments of like a, well, why would you make 187 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: it easy? This is a realistic you know, they're trying 188 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 2: to do a realistic take. But what I think people 189 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: aren't talking about is that this is actually all Also 190 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: one of the key parts of Reeary's Law not obviously 191 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: a dalliance with the Hood, but when Really was first 192 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: introduced by Brian Michael Bendis, there was and Mike Diodato, 193 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: there was a situation where she was kind of a 194 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: she was just a teenage girl and they had a 195 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: lot of issues with a similar like there was a 196 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: sexy Jascott Campbell cover for her even though she was fifteen, 197 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: and that was in October twenty sixteen, and there was 198 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: you know her, she was very much just like she 199 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 2: stole an Iron Man suit and she made it her own, 200 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: and it was a cool character that people were really 201 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 2: excited to see designed. But it was when there was 202 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: the Champions Run, which people did feel like kind of 203 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: expanded her a bit more, which was your kind of 204 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: gym's up at Emilio Leso stuff. But it was really 205 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: when Eviewing and Kevin Lebranda came on with her first 206 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: solo series that re re really kind of started to 207 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: grow out. And there had been criticisms of Revery Rely 208 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: early on, very much in the same way I think 209 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: that people talked about Amadea's show, but with him they 210 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: were like, this is an interesting, complicated character. But with 211 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: Really they were like, she's a sociopath. She's stealing all 212 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 2: the time. Why is she doing this? Like why doesn't 213 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: she care about the rules? Like and so what Eve 214 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,599 Speaker 2: did was Eve you know who we love friend of 215 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: the pod. You can listen to her talking about kind 216 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: of Forever on our kind of Forever episode. But what 217 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: Eve did was she basically made that part of Real's 218 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 2: character arc was like the fear that I think we 219 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 2: all have of are we a bad person? Could we 220 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: do evil? Could we do harm? And basically made every 221 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 2: choice that she made was about proving to herself that 222 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 2: she wasn't that person and she wanted to help her community. 223 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: So I think, in its own way, it seems like 224 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 2: the show is echoing that storyline in a little bit more. 225 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: I would say, of what seems like from what we're 226 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 2: seeing kind of a black and white way, but it 227 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 2: also does seem like it's going to lean into from 228 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 2: our conversation with Sam Bailey. I think this notion of 229 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: like a found family outside of the constructs of the MCU, 230 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: and there's going to be these different characters like Parker, 231 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: and it seems kind of a kind of crew of 232 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: people who I think will see re re develop that 233 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: with and then we'll have to make choices between good 234 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: and bad and what she does. And I mean, isn't 235 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: that the ultimate superhero kind of situation? Haven't they all 236 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: had to do that at some point? 237 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of the interesting questions that 238 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: linger over this. First of all, tell us about Parker 239 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: Robbins in the MCU. So, okay, one of our one 240 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: of the more recent Brian Michael. Yeah, a character who 241 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: is significantly elevated by the run of Brian Michael. 242 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: Bendis across, isn't this isn't impact so big on the 243 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: mc It's. 244 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: It's massive, maybe the you know, it's hard to say 245 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: the single biggest person, but certainly one of a huge 246 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: impact because a lot of the storylines and characters and 247 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: frames for certain characters come from runs of it. 248 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: Also is very interesting because the original first phase of 249 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: the MCU had a council that included Brian Michael Bendis 250 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: that included Matt fraction, that included different comic but creators, 251 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: so it's interesting to see them kind of still go 252 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: this way. Also another iconic creative team here, because The 253 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: Hood was actually created by Brian ca Vaughn and Kyle Holt. 254 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: Brian Cavoughn behind Saga, one of our favorite a very 255 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: sho BKV. Because also so basically Parker Robins is a 256 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: low level criminal. He is, Interestingly, I would love to 257 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: see if they explore this, you know how the MCU 258 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: as we've seen it with the new characters like Hawkeye, Kate, Hawkye. 259 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: It's all about how it feels to grow up in 260 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: the era of the Avengers. She remembers seeing Hawkeye look 261 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: down on her and she had and in the comics, 262 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: Parker Robbins is obsessed with super villains, like the clamorous 263 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: life of a super villain. That he loves Electro, which 264 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: I love because that's like a weird He dates. 265 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: Dates a super villain's daughter. Yes, yes, yes, loves supervillains. 266 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: Yes exactly, Like he's kind of obsessed with it and 267 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: it's very all so, and I think I feel like 268 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: this has gotta be intentional if you are a Batman fan, 269 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: if you've read The Killing Joke, if you've read the 270 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: original Golden Age Batman stuff, there is an origin for 271 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: the Joker where he is essentially the Red Hood and 272 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: he's a low level criminal. He wears the Hood. He 273 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: goes and does his you know crime, He gets set 274 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: up for it and he falls in the acme acid 275 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: and he gets his acid. This is very much a similar. 276 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: Things the Cash. 277 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a pregnant girlfriend who doesn't know that 278 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 2: he's a criminal, and he does a heist and incredibly 279 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 2: this is like one of my all time favorite kind 280 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: of comic book things. And I doubt that they're going 281 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: to go this route, but I would love it. He 282 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: stumbles upon a magical seance Jason. 283 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: As happens in the comics quite often. 284 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Robins kind of thinks that he's killed this 285 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: monster that sort of follows them, but it turns out 286 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 2: that is not the case. And Robin steel's the monsters 287 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: or the demon's kind of cloak that he left behind 288 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: and his boots because who doesn't want a delightful pair 289 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: of boots, and lo and behold, he finds out that 290 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 2: the boots give him the power to like basically jump high, 291 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: walk on air, and then the cloak is very much invisible, 292 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: kind of cloak invisibility cloak coded. He can find different 293 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: ways to use it. But what he doesn't know, and 294 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: this is the question. Now, they could easily do this 295 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: because we have seen this character already. What he doesn't 296 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: know is he essentially becomes like the herald or the 297 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: host for the dread Door Marmou, the Lord of the 298 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 2: Dark Diamond, and obviously we've seen Dormamo in the original. 299 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: Doctors think they will do that? 300 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 2: Is I think they will do because I think that 301 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: there is a I think there's an interesting route they 302 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: could go here that doesn't feel so insanely like cosmic, 303 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: where it's more sort of like when he puts the 304 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: hood on, he doesn't know why it controls him, or 305 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: kind of green Goblin esque. I think that is very 306 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: very and then maybe that you know, really's in Chicago. 307 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: It's not that far from New York, Like if we 308 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: need a doctor Strange, you know, they love to have 309 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: Stephen Strange be the kind of overseer of a young 310 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 2: character nowadays. It's worked very well for them in Spider Man. 311 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: So I'm going to be interested. The thing I think 312 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: that is really intriguing about the Hood is he is 313 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: just connected to so many weird characters, like one of 314 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: your favorite characters, the Beyonder, and he is also you know, 315 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: he has been kind of different. He's been in different spaces. 316 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: He's been in Battle World, which we think is going 317 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 2: to come up in Secret Wars. He has a gang. 318 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: He has a gang. He has in the comics at 319 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: least you know towards the end of Dark Rain and 320 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: the Siege, when it kind of when the Dark Rain 321 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: falls apart. Well, first of all, let me just say this. 322 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: The thing that I like about Parker and the way 323 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: that Brian Michael Bendis positioned him is he was and 324 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: I think this can work in the current MCU is 325 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: he was one of these villains, this kind of like 326 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: new generation of villains who, alongside some of the bigger names, 327 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: took advantage of the weakness of the superhero community in 328 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: the wake of Civil War and the distrust that like 329 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: the public had for them and the disappearance of various 330 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: superheroes to become more powerful, to gain more kind of 331 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: criminal territory. And I think that's something that they can. 332 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: Do with very doable even post on this. Yes, because 333 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: the Avengers are your new Avengers are essentially criminals. 334 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: Parker finagled like a sea. It literally a seated like 335 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: the Evil Illuminati table off of this, and you're so 336 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: right to mention his connections to other criminals. One of 337 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: my favorites is he rescues and then kind of begins 338 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: a relationship with Madam Mask. 339 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: Connected to Hawkeye again, I feel like connected to Hawkey 340 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: feel good Hawkeye Marvel TV connections here because that is 341 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 2: who Kate Bishop's mom was revealed to be. I just 342 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: think there's so much interesting stuff that they could do 343 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 2: that is easy to connect without anything. 344 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: Madam Mask in the comics is listen. I don't know 345 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: that we ever see this character, but Madam Mask, at 346 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: least in the comics, is the daughter of the beloved 347 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: daughter of Count Nefaria, who is yes, is one of 348 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: the strongest like strength wise just pure strength super villains. 349 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: He's immortal. You can't kill him because of a science 350 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: experiment he did, and he is like in the class 351 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: of strength of like four and is I think one 352 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: of the most interesting super villains because he's like truly 353 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: modeled after like a nineteen twenties silent movie. Oh yeah, 354 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: mustache twirling type, like that's how he looks. He's got 355 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: this like kind of evil guy mustache, and he dresses 356 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: in cloaks and suits and stuff. 357 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which also very the Hood code. It the 358 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: Hood is a very old school like kind of almost 359 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: like Aerol Flynn in a Robin Hood movie kind of 360 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: villain the so it have so. 361 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: One of the things I really like about the pairing 362 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: of Reary and Parker is this idea of a generation 363 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: clash of these two characters, one who will go dark, 364 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: one who will go light, but both who are like 365 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 1: coming up against the more established generation of heroes who 366 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: are either gone or are there and are less effective 367 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: than they used to be and are carving out their 368 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: own like space within that. I think that can be. 369 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: I think that's a really point. I would also say, 370 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: as you might have guessed from us talking about this, 371 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: there is like an extensive amount of Parker Robin's Law, 372 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: like he has been in everything from Avengers to ghost Rider, 373 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 2: and interestingly, there was an era where he lost his powers. 374 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: I feel like we could see that at the end 375 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: of the movie. Potentially we also know that's when he 376 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: then made a deal with Mephisto. Mephisto, guys, everyone, so 377 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: everyone has there was a time when in the comics 378 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: that Parker Robins made a deal with Mefisto to get 379 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 2: his powers back after he'd lost his powers and been 380 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: thrown off Earth. And then he comes back to Earth. 381 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: And this is very much in the kind of like 382 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 2: space that a Midnight Suns could happen because he's with 383 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: ghost Rider else a Bloodstone Talia war Road like. There 384 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: is a lot of dark horror kind of more in 385 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: that dial of Werewolf by Night. 386 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: Do we Seeisto in Hired Heart? 387 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 2: This is the question many people have wondered, whether we 388 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 2: will see Mephisto and Iron Heart. 389 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: Or do we Is there a hint of Mephisto? 390 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 2: I think that I think that would be a Mephisto tease. 391 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: Though they have been teasing Mephisto. Me and that Casey 392 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: still know every day that we messed you guys around 393 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 2: with the Mephisto stuff. We're sorry. 394 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: I still love Mephisto. 395 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 2: I still think it's a you know, an interesting point. 396 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 2: And as we know, that's a plotline that Elizabeth Olsen 397 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: would love to explore and we would all love to 398 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 2: see it. There was a rumor for a long time 399 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: that Sasha Bara Cohen was its absolutely crazy casting if true, 400 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: and he is allegedly in this movie in the show 401 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: in an unnamed role, so perhaps we could see Mephisto. Finally, 402 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 2: it feels unlikely because Disney is definitely giving this one 403 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: of those like not one hundred percent sure of it releases. 404 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 2: We get the first three episodes and then we get one, two, 405 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: three weekly, which is nice to have the little extra 406 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: space to discuss it, but only six episodes. I'm putting 407 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 2: them the Fisto likelihood pretty low, unless they just want 408 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: to get it over with because they're sick of us 409 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: all talking about it. I feel like they know this 410 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 2: is one of the ultimate MCU fang conversations that has 411 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: been going on since twenty twenty one. 412 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: At please clearly know about it. I think that they're 413 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: I think it's possible that there's a tease, but I 414 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: think if if there's any real Mephisto action, yeah, I 415 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: doubt we see it until like Secret Wars or something 416 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: like that. I think so. And if it is, if 417 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: it gets mad that like Doom reconfigured me exactly and 418 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: has to sell his soul and get power from the physical, 419 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, if. 420 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: We're seething like a brand new day First Spider for 421 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 2: the next Spider movie. My dream version would be that 422 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: that is like Peter and he is a college professor 423 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: who is teaching, you know, a class where or a 424 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: high school where maybe Miles goes. I think that's where 425 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: they should go with that. But I could see a 426 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 2: version where because everybody forgot Peter, he maybe makes a 427 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: wish that Mary Jane would still mj would still remember him, 428 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: and there could be a Mephisto introduction there. I will 429 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: also say my thing that I hope that they do 430 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 2: take with this is there has been so much cool 431 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: stuff of Parker Robbins leading a gang. So he's had 432 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: his Death Watch gang. He's had a cult known as 433 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: the dark Holders who want to By the way, what 434 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: did they want to do? They wanted to recreate the 435 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: Dark Hold. That's something we need in the MCU again 436 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: after every dark Hold was destroyed. That's connected to Jack 437 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: Russell who he met with in debd in Well Wealf 438 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 2: by Night. So I actually hope that they play a 439 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: little more on the darkness and the horror and the 440 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 2: connections that he has to Hell, to Dormamu, to all 441 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: these different places. I think it's going to be really interesting. 442 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 2: And I do think as well. We know Dominique Thorne 443 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: is funny. We know that she held her own in 444 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: this massive movie where there was this huge gaping hole 445 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: of Chadwick's loss, and I am really excited to see 446 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: her take on this kind of leading role in a 447 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: space where it's all about her and it's all about Chicago, 448 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: because that's the other thing. Eve Viewing is known for 449 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 2: making really a real Chicago kid something that actually feels 450 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: authentic to the people who live there, and we don't 451 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: often get that. So I'm really excited about that. Parker Robbins, 452 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: I'm excited to see him. Let's see what they can do. 453 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: I want to see how they bring the hood to life. Okay, 454 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: I don't think there's a world where this happens, but 455 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: you know, in the two thousand and eight era of 456 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 2: the MCU, I would have said this, do you think 457 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: there's a world where the reason that Parker needs really 458 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 2: is because he actually doesn't have any magic. How is 459 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: a tool and he's kind of wizard of ozzing it 460 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: and needs to help him make that's interesting, like the 461 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: technology that makes him seem like he has. 462 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: Powers, interesting interesting twist, very skeleton crew esque in the mystery. 463 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: I think that there is a chance for that. Yeah, 464 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: I do wonder if that's actually a great idea, because 465 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: you can have you could have Parker doing stuff that 466 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: is rereas technology where everybody thinks, oh, this is a 467 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: guy that can do things, and then at a certain 468 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: point it he gets the powers, gets the actual magic hold, 469 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: and next thing you know, he's really doing something that's 470 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: really interesting and we'd. 471 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 2: Be a cool I'm here, I'm wondering because I'm thinking, 472 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: like he's going to have this group. He's got these 473 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: kind of big statements about like what would you do? 474 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: Like would you do this thing? So I wonder if 475 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: sometimes some of the text she's using, some of the 476 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: tech she's creating, is maybe for that purpose. I like 477 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: a kind of Wizard of Oz the Emperor is wearing 478 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: no clothes kind of twist, and I feel like it'd 479 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: be very grounded in the MCU. But I also love magic, 480 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: so I do hope we're going to have some kind 481 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: of magical element or maybe his thing is that he 482 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 2: collects kids and young people and people because we know 483 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: at least some of the other people who are going 484 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: to be in the gang. Maybe the notion is he 485 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: kind of surrounds himself with people who have powers, who 486 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: have skills to make himself seem like he also does. 487 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: So I'd be interested to see that. How much for 488 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: that are we going to get in six episodes? I 489 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: don't know, but I'm just basically stoked to see re 490 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: recome to life, and I'm interested because I feel like 491 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: the hood could be like a big win for them 492 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: if they get it right. 493 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: Well. Ironheart drops June twenty fourth on Disney Pluse. 494 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: Disney Pluse, We'll be watching. 495 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: We'll be watching tomorrow on Excervision. Join us for another 496 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: popcorn pop out as we review twenty eight years later. 497 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: The it's either the final movie in this That's How She's, 498 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 3: That's How She's a twenty eight trilogy, or it is 499 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: the first movie after the original duology that begins the 500 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 3: next twenty eight your case, But Aaron just chatted. 501 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: Us and was like, why not both? And I'm like, yeah, 502 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty five, baby, why not both? 503 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: Okay, that's it for this episode. 504 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: That's your Listening Goodbye. 505 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Cepcion and Rosie 506 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast. 507 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kolefman. 508 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuza par. 509 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: Our producers are Common, Laurent, Dean Jonathan and bay Wa. 510 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 511 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: songs by Arn Kaufman. 512 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and 513 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: Heidi our discord moderator.