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Speaker 1: is Dan Hansis and I am joined in a room
Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? We could lose that
Speaker 1: money drop. I don't I don't like the insinuation, even us.
Speaker 1: We did it during super Bowl Week. Yeah. How about
Speaker 1: moratorium on Scott Zolac until September? I mean, or even
Speaker 1: beyond September. I mean, no one's given big z more
Speaker 1: free pub than this podcast. That's what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: time to pull back the reins a little bit. Who's
Speaker 1: this partner, Sochi? Maybe it's Sochi's time to get a
Speaker 1: little shine. I can't disagree with that. All right? Wow,
Speaker 1: the four of us back together, first time since Super
Speaker 1: Bowl Sunday. And that's great, Mark. How was your weekend
Speaker 1: with the family and kids? Very enriched? Mark would have
Speaker 1: c very rewarding in what sense it made my life
Speaker 1: better and hopefully the lives of my children and relatives better.
Speaker 1: How would you how would you rate your relationship with
Speaker 1: your father in law? Let's start there, Well, it was
Speaker 1: with my actual parents. Rate it high. How about your dad?
Speaker 1: Very high? And what's going on there? Good relationship, very strong,
Speaker 1: no issues, enjoy talking together. You got you gotta follow
Speaker 1: Mark on Instagram. I mean there's some good beats there
Speaker 1: with Ed and you would have scene they had a
Speaker 1: great time. And and your old lady and she's good too,
Speaker 1: Your old lady. I mean I wouldn't address her that way,
Speaker 1: nor should you. She's your age, so that that ansel's
Speaker 1: out your age. That's your mom. Your mom is old lady.
Speaker 1: That's what you called your wife. In theory, you call
Speaker 1: your old mom. Yeah no, no, no, you call your
Speaker 1: old neither. You would call neither one. You definitely don't
Speaker 1: call you absolutely the wife. You don't call your mom.
Speaker 1: Here's the proof, there's the proof that you're wrong. Wonderful,
Speaker 1: who do you call the old man, neither your father.
Speaker 1: All right, Greg, we get it. Your father is the
Speaker 1: old man that works right old or in America, when
Speaker 1: you say the old lady, it means the wife at home. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's like from a nineteen sixties sitcom and hasn't been
Speaker 1: used too much since. Right. Well, Luckily it's a stalemate
Speaker 1: because I stand by old ladys mom. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: address anyone in my family tree as old ladies, so
Speaker 1: they're all they're all vibrant and young to me. All Right, Well,
Speaker 1: that's see, you're off to a flying star here, because
Speaker 1: I got a lot of good information out of that
Speaker 1: back and forth. All right, it seems to be going
Speaker 1: in a good place. It is great to be back.
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, alright, So today's show a lot to get to, uh,
Speaker 1: including a huge trade involving one of the more well
Speaker 1: known quarterbacks of the last decade. Um also big news
Speaker 1: UH involving Antonio Brown, who continues to relentlessly publicize his
Speaker 1: uncertain status as an NFL player, in least in terms
Speaker 1: of his uh where he'll be playing in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: And also we're gonna talk about some uh you know,
Speaker 1: big names who could say goodbye to their current teams,
Speaker 1: or to be more accurate, Greg their teams say goodbye
Speaker 1: to them. I mean it's already started to happen. Better
Speaker 1: to talk quickly before this gets out of date. Tough business,
Speaker 1: you know. But before we do that, let's get to
Speaker 1: the news. And yes, the big trade in the NFL
Speaker 1: touchdown Jacoby Jones? How does that happen in the Denver
Speaker 1: secondary fat is stunning? That were the three man rush
Speaker 1: and dropping eight guys into coverage that the dead for
Speaker 1: Bracos could misplay this to this point? Ah, Yes, the
Speaker 1: mile high miracle. There was seventy yards Joe Flacco to
Speaker 1: Jacobe Jones in the two thousand twelve Divisional playoffs. To me,
Speaker 1: one of the great uh holy moments of the NFL newsroom.
Speaker 1: In my calling that to my high miracle, I thought
Speaker 1: you had its own Look, it has its own Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. I'm looking right at it. Yeah. I did
Speaker 1: put up moratorium on miracles, but after the Miami one,
Speaker 1: anything before, I don't think anyone called it that at
Speaker 1: that time. I think we are that Flacco is grandfathered in.
Speaker 1: Do you want to know something else? There is a
Speaker 1: second mile High miracle that was the divisional playoff game
Speaker 1: between the Jackson Brocos. But this goes back to the
Speaker 1: point I made a few months ago. Everyone got so
Speaker 1: crazy with a miracle thing that just got muddled and
Speaker 1: it took away actual miracles that we see, like the
Speaker 1: Minneapolis miracle, which was legit. You could argue nothing that
Speaker 1: happens on a football field is actually a miracle. Also,
Speaker 1: let's maybe start there. Um, okay, all right, here we go.
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. It's over for him in Baltimore. After a
Speaker 1: storied run with the Ravens, the team agreed in principle
Speaker 1: to trade Joe Flacco to the Denver Broncos in exchange
Speaker 1: for a mid round pick. NFL Network insider Ian rapp
Speaker 1: Report reported via sources informed of the situation. Report rap
Speaker 1: Board added that Flacco, who had three years remaining on
Speaker 1: his deal, will need to rework that contract for the
Speaker 1: Broncos neither side of the deal, who don't expect to
Speaker 1: hear from them because they're not allowed to publicly comment
Speaker 1: on the transaction until the NFL's new calendar year begins
Speaker 1: on March. ESPN's Adam Schefter first had it. Wes John
Speaker 1: Elway this one wi Paxton Lynch first round pick John Elway.
Speaker 1: He gives twenty five million guaranteed to case Keenum. That's
Speaker 1: a whiff too. Now he's getting the thirty four year
Speaker 1: old Joe Flacco with a bad back coming off some
Speaker 1: bad years. Your thoughts on this deal? So this one's
Speaker 1: for John, and all right that once for John, come
Speaker 1: to think of it, this one's for John, and also
Speaker 1: that once for John Well. I think the skepticism on
Speaker 1: Elway has been earned as far as what he's done
Speaker 1: at quarterback in offensive line over the past few years.
Speaker 1: But I thought that this was, you know, reminded me
Speaker 1: so much of the Amari Cooper trade on Twitter. Everyone overreacted,
Speaker 1: and I think overreacted because of Joe Flacco's name in
Speaker 1: John Elway's name. It was it's fastile analysis, it's lazy snark,
Speaker 1: and it's a fourth round pick for a guy who's
Speaker 1: an upgrade on case Keenum, who I believe the Broncos
Speaker 1: players learned the last October could not make the throws
Speaker 1: in NFL starting quarterback needs to make. I challenge anyone
Speaker 1: to sit down with me and watch Joe Flacco's game
Speaker 1: film from the first quarter of last season and tell
Speaker 1: me this guy can't play well. The The key is
Speaker 1: the first quarter, Because you're right, I thought he played
Speaker 1: pretty well the start. I think if just start last
Speaker 1: Sea makes that kick, Joe Flacco remains the quarterback. But
Speaker 1: then he didn't. He didn't play as well in his
Speaker 1: last few starts, agree, and then he was hurt. And
Speaker 1: then you have to look at the previous two years
Speaker 1: where he was also hurt and not playing pretty well,
Speaker 1: and look at the larger sample size over the last
Speaker 1: three or four years. I'm with you West that I
Speaker 1: think I'd rather have Joe Flacco than case Keenum. But
Speaker 1: I also believe that Flacco is like a slightly better
Speaker 1: version of Eli Manning right now, different sort of player
Speaker 1: in that he needs to have everything around him be perfect.
Speaker 1: He's a quarterback to be kind of a mid tier quarterback.
Speaker 1: And what John Elway has shown us, not just with
Speaker 1: the quarterback mistakes that Dan mentioned, but more with the
Speaker 1: offensive line, is that he's not going to have everything
Speaker 1: perfect around him. Okay, that's fair, that's absolutely fair that
Speaker 1: John Elway has not proven he can get an offensive
Speaker 1: line to protect his quarterbacks. But it's February. He hasn't
Speaker 1: had a chance to go out and get an offensive
Speaker 1: line yet. Let's no, but he's at six years that's
Speaker 1: what I mean. Okay, but but six years don't mean
Speaker 1: like in two thousand nineteen he can't go get offensive line.
Speaker 1: I I think it's one of the hardest things to do.
Speaker 1: And you also just look at Okay, Matt Paradise. Their
Speaker 1: center is coming off a major injury. Max Garcia is
Speaker 1: coming off from major injury. Ronald Leary is coming off
Speaker 1: a major injury. I don't even know if all those
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be back. Paradis as a free agent
Speaker 1: that may cut Leary, and so I just worry if
Speaker 1: you're a Broncos fan that the situation for Flacco is
Speaker 1: gonna be an uphill battle. And there's no reason that
Speaker 1: think he's gonna like overcoming up hill. But I think
Speaker 1: it's like somewhere in between, because it's not. Forget all
Speaker 1: the snark West I hear you, and Joe Flacco is
Speaker 1: not some sort of bottom ten quarterback. But I can't
Speaker 1: think of another team allowing a general manager, if his
Speaker 1: name was not John Elway, to attempt to solve the
Speaker 1: quarterback issue this many times if you would have been
Speaker 1: I get that, And to me, it's like you, what
Speaker 1: are you telling players that you're bringing to the Broncos.
Speaker 1: What is your long term plan at quarterback? Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: is another one year patch who will spend all offseason
Speaker 1: talking about and he'll probably have a high ankle sprain
Speaker 1: in week four, miss eight weeks, and they'll be screwed again.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is snark free. I don't think John
Speaker 1: Alway knows what he's doing at the quarterback position, which
Speaker 1: is ironic given who he is, but I just don't. Yes,
Speaker 1: when things are right west, is Flacco still a fine quarterback? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's at this point in his career. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't assume any with him. His body has been
Speaker 1: breaking down. This is true, which is why the price
Speaker 1: is a fourth round pick, which is way less than
Speaker 1: the Browns traded for Tyron Taylor or Tyrod Taylor. It's
Speaker 1: way less than the Browns wanted to pay for a J. McCarron.
Speaker 1: It's less than the Redskins pay for Alex Smith, who
Speaker 1: couldn't throw downfield. Well wait, yes, but I don't care
Speaker 1: about the trade terms though that that means nothing. Of course,
Speaker 1: it does it depends what you give up for a guy.
Speaker 1: They gave up a fourth round, there would be well,
Speaker 1: they're giving up twenty million dollars. Yeah, you're right. I
Speaker 1: don't care that the fourth Rod Vick. What does it matter.
Speaker 1: They're just choosing Joe Flacco and more important, they were there,
Speaker 1: they're a little better. But they're also choosing to pay
Speaker 1: case Keenum six and a half million dollars this season
Speaker 1: to go away, and so they're eating a huge capit
Speaker 1: and they're ultimately paying their quarterbacks, you know, about thirty
Speaker 1: million dollars to Joe Flacco and case Keenum. So that's
Speaker 1: a problem. It makes the rest of your team harder.
Speaker 1: And it's just again, it's kind of you with all
Speaker 1: of this. Joe Flacco was not a sure thing, but
Speaker 1: in if he's surrounded with talent and John Elway has
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do to get that. Come
Speaker 1: watch the game film with me from last September. This
Speaker 1: guy can still play. I I there's a lot of ifs.
Speaker 1: I get it. I do you know think it's it's
Speaker 1: also choosing Flacco over other options, and Okay, maybe this
Speaker 1: is the guy they felt that they could get, but
Speaker 1: they're they're choosing him over Tannehill and Bridgewater and and
Speaker 1: this is the guy and and Nick Foles. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of rumors that they were going to be
Speaker 1: the ones that kind of made a sneaky, big push
Speaker 1: to get Nick Foles, and maybe they decided that was
Speaker 1: too I mean they stole the number ten pick two.
Speaker 1: I mean, are we counting out that you bring in
Speaker 1: a back as well? I think you have to have
Speaker 1: a part B to this plan. No, And I think
Speaker 1: we should talk about from the raven side. You know,
Speaker 1: they are eating sixteen Like people are giving them a
Speaker 1: little credit for getting the fourth round picks. I don't
Speaker 1: care about him in let's not give them credit for
Speaker 1: a contract in which Flacco will be the highest paid
Speaker 1: person on their team this year in terms of cap charge.
Speaker 1: Like Flacco will still take up the most cap hit
Speaker 1: of any team that contract. It's a great kind of
Speaker 1: look back like and I think Ravens fans would say
Speaker 1: we'd do it, but it's really the ultimate People are
Speaker 1: like wonder, like, what would you do for a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl title? Because that contract ended up being one of,
Speaker 1: if not the most onerous contracts in the NFL. The
Speaker 1: minute after he signed it and the timing of him
Speaker 1: having the best playoff run maybe any quarterback had all
Speaker 1: decade right before that contract. And what's happened since is
Speaker 1: connected because he's been an average to below average quarterback
Speaker 1: and they haven't been a winning team. I mean, but
Speaker 1: he brought them a super Bowl. He won so many
Speaker 1: playoff games for them, he's been there. To think of
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks that they had before Flacco, he really
Speaker 1: is the Baltimore Ravens quarterback as a franchise, they never
Speaker 1: had one before. I'm just curious if after Paxton Lynch,
Speaker 1: after you you're into case keenom for million essentially for
Speaker 1: one year when Joe Flacco and I feel pretty strongly
Speaker 1: about about this given the recent history when he spends
Speaker 1: half of the season on the sideline with an injury,
Speaker 1: is that when John Elway runs out of rope? Like
Speaker 1: how much how important is Joe Flaccos staying healthy and
Speaker 1: effective now to John Allie keeping his job They just
Speaker 1: got a new head coach and and one other thing
Speaker 1: we haven't mentioned. I do think it's a really interesting story.
Speaker 1: In general. No one has said the word Rick scan
Speaker 1: Garrello on this podcast. Yet they have a brand new
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator that's never run a team before, and it's
Speaker 1: and it kind of reminds me more of how always
Speaker 1: botched this offseason. He had the guy in place in
Speaker 1: his best buddy, Gary Kubiak, That's who he was planning
Speaker 1: to hire. That's one of the reasons supposedly they went
Speaker 1: and got Flacco because Kubiak love Flacco so much, really
Speaker 1: pumped him up to Alway, and but they couldn't make
Speaker 1: that work, and instead they have a first time coordinator
Speaker 1: that's Kyle Shanahan's was a Kyle Shanahan accoly another guy
Speaker 1: that John Elway could have hired a few years ago,
Speaker 1: but didn't want Kyle Shanahan, so instead you get like
Speaker 1: one of his little pupils. And I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just well, it's too too early to suggest that
Speaker 1: he's going to fail though also maybe it's maybe that
Speaker 1: will absolutely fine, absolutely, but it's a it's an X factor,
Speaker 1: and I I think I'd feel better if Kubiak was
Speaker 1: their coordinator or if Kyle was their head. I just think, like,
Speaker 1: if you're a Broncos fan, you want this to almost
Speaker 1: play out like the Tyrod Taylor thing, where it's this
Speaker 1: headlines are all getting Flacco, but maybe you draft someone
Speaker 1: at ten because there are now we're seeing emerging more
Speaker 1: and more quarterbacks on and go high and someone that
Speaker 1: pushes Flacco off the field versus relying on a thirty
Speaker 1: four year old Joe Flacco to stay healthy for sixteen games.
Speaker 1: I'd be stunned if they didn't draft the quarterback they're
Speaker 1: going to. It's just whether it's second, first, third round, whatever,
Speaker 1: it's going to be. Well Dan, I think under most owners,
Speaker 1: Elway would be gone by now. But he's operating in
Speaker 1: a power vacuum with no owner there. And I get that.
Speaker 1: I mean, not only is he a franchise legend, he
Speaker 1: also has a Super Bowl ring. Um, he's an institution,
Speaker 1: and he's an institution. He owns a lot of car
Speaker 1: dealerships and that's good too. And they were they were
Speaker 1: the top three franchise for about four or five years
Speaker 1: in terms of wins. I mean them, them Peyton made treats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they were great for a while. In other
Speaker 1: quarterback news, uh, as we talked about on Monday show,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray announced Monday that he's firmly and fully committed
Speaker 1: to pursuing an NFL career, the Heisman Trophy winner out
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma, Um, who a lot of people think is
Speaker 1: gonna be a first round pick, maybe even a top
Speaker 1: ten pick, maybe a top five pick. Anyway, So that
Speaker 1: takes us to the Arizona Cardinals, who owned the number
Speaker 1: one overall pick. They of course took Josh Rosen tenth
Speaker 1: overall last year. Everything about the season sucked for the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Rosen had some moments, but he underwhelmed
Speaker 1: and it wasn't necessarily his fault. But it also wasn't
Speaker 1: a type of season where I guess the Cardinals might
Speaker 1: think they definitely have their guy. Uh. Could they be
Speaker 1: tempted to go get Kyler Murray, who has a connection
Speaker 1: to new Cardinals coach Cliff Kingsbury. Um. They share an
Speaker 1: agent apparently, uh, and the coaches spoken highly of the
Speaker 1: quarterback in past. Anyway, Cardinals team president Michael Bidwell um
Speaker 1: through some cold water on these rumors during a radio
Speaker 1: appearance on seven in Arizona. Well, I think I think, Look,
Speaker 1: Josh is a smart guy. He's been around, He's seen
Speaker 1: what happens year and a year out. There's always a
Speaker 1: lot of speculation that that turns out to not be true.
Speaker 1: But um is we get moving forward. You know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna continue to to build on this team and build
Speaker 1: around the foundation that we have. Mark, do you buy
Speaker 1: in that the Cardinals are still all in on their
Speaker 1: young quarterback. I mean, if if you were to rank
Speaker 1: the amount of power that coaches have in the NFL
Speaker 1: from one to thirty two, Cliff Kingsbury feels low on
Speaker 1: the list to me, So I don't really need to
Speaker 1: worry too much about what he said before he became
Speaker 1: the coach of the Cardinals about a quarterback completely removed
Speaker 1: from the situation. But at the same time, I just
Speaker 1: don't see this going away as a story at all.
Speaker 1: No matter what. The Cardinals have made this proclamation about
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen more than once, and I think that the
Speaker 1: likely odds would all go to Greg with all the
Speaker 1: odds stuff, But I think that Rosen is probably going
Speaker 1: to stay put. But it's just an odd situation where
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that your coach has an obsession with
Speaker 1: this very available other quarterback. Well, we don't know that
Speaker 1: he he said the I wouldn't watch the he he
Speaker 1: said it in early October as he was about to
Speaker 1: play Kyler Murky's all he said was if I had
Speaker 1: that and this is like week five of the college season,
Speaker 1: if I had the number one pick of the draft,
Speaker 1: I would take that guy, Kyler Murray. That's how good.
Speaker 1: Like like Belichick talking up and he said he was
Speaker 1: he was doing it on purpose to pump him up,
Speaker 1: and and it's just it's kind of funny. And that said,
Speaker 1: he does kind of fit what you think of of
Speaker 1: what Kingsbury is accomplished in college, and that all makes sense.
Speaker 1: And I would think it's an interesting idea, not just Murray,
Speaker 1: but any quarterback there because Josh Rosen I think would
Speaker 1: have significant trade value across the NFL. I think there'd
Speaker 1: be a lot of teams that would give up nearly
Speaker 1: the value that he had last year. I think he
Speaker 1: could still get a first round pick. I really I
Speaker 1: can't imagine there's that many teams that would have changed
Speaker 1: their evaluation that much and would look at the situation.
Speaker 1: I really think in this league, a team like who
Speaker 1: knows that might have a starting quarterback in place already,
Speaker 1: like the Patriots. Whoever. But the fact that Michael Bidwell
Speaker 1: is the one that went on the radio that he
Speaker 1: like said, hey radio station, put me on Hey, Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com, which I own, put this across the
Speaker 1: front cover that I want to make statements that Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen as our guy. And as Mark said, the GM
Speaker 1: is the one that took Rosen. That makes you think
Speaker 1: that they want Rosen and Cardinals twitter page they took.
Speaker 1: It was very two thousand nineteen move. They took Kingsbury's
Speaker 1: quote Josh is our guy and splashed it with the
Speaker 1: comment y'all having fun with speculation. But West, I wanta
Speaker 1: tee you up on this. You think, um, what you
Speaker 1: saw from Josh Rosen, And like I said at the
Speaker 1: top here, he was not set up well. But do
Speaker 1: you think what he put on tape was enough to
Speaker 1: really hurt his value around the league? No? I think
Speaker 1: you can't evaluate Josh Rosen based on last year, based
Speaker 1: on his off pensive line, based on his wide receiver corps,
Speaker 1: and based on his coaching staff that was found wanting.
Speaker 1: You cannot evaluate Josh Rosen. And I also think like
Speaker 1: nobody's drafting a five ft nine pound quarterback number one overall.
Speaker 1: So I think, but I do think it's a non issue.
Speaker 1: I do think he will go in the first round,
Speaker 1: and I have this like psychic feeling that it's going
Speaker 1: to be the Saints. I just feel like the Saints
Speaker 1: are gonna take this guy, and my voice like that shot.
Speaker 1: I apologize. I like st. February, he's gonna be don't
Speaker 1: have a first round pick because it's in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have the problem with him trading up though
Speaker 1: to get one either. I think that they this just
Speaker 1: feels like a Sean Payton type person, or maybe a
Speaker 1: Patriots type quarterback. Moving on, Redskins Brass. They are not
Speaker 1: saying anything publicly about the status of Alex Smith, but
Speaker 1: one of Washington's key players, Uh is keeping it rail Uh.
Speaker 1: In a interview with NBC Sports Washington on Tuesday, he said,
Speaker 1: when I talked to Alex Uh, he's staying about positive
Speaker 1: about it. We know and stand that is probably not
Speaker 1: going to happen that we have him this year. He's
Speaker 1: a hard working guy. He's gonna do whatever he can,
Speaker 1: whatever he can to get back if he decides that
Speaker 1: he wants to put that workload on his leg again.
Speaker 1: So we continue not that none of this is a surprise,
Speaker 1: but we continue to hear and now this is UH
Speaker 1: Redskins player that was talking to the quarterback himself, Alex Smith.
Speaker 1: Uh that we will not see Smith in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: and it does absolutely put the Redskins into the QB
Speaker 1: Draft derby. We've been saying this from the very beginning
Speaker 1: that Alex Smith won't play in two thou nineteen and
Speaker 1: may never start again in the NFL. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Redskins desperately need a quarterback and his his his contract.
Speaker 1: It's hard to overstate how they have to just pretend
Speaker 1: as if he's like Joe Flacco, that he's dead. He's
Speaker 1: a he's a sunk costs. But it's crazy how costly
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, he's he's twenty million on the
Speaker 1: cap this year and his salary is guaranteed for next
Speaker 1: year through injury as a starting quarterback again. Yet because
Speaker 1: of his because of injury insurance coverage. I know that
Speaker 1: that's sometimes it's something that you hear bandied about. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's there completely on the hook he should be in
Speaker 1: either way. He's getting paid and he's on the salary
Speaker 1: cap for next year. So it's it's really unfortunate for
Speaker 1: them and for him. First of all, but it's unfortunate
Speaker 1: for them too. It really affects them the next couple
Speaker 1: of years that they're paying Sat. They have to just
Speaker 1: accept that they're paying him and work around it, because
Speaker 1: I think they're going to try to look and pay
Speaker 1: someone else starting quarterback money. They're gonna have to. It's
Speaker 1: like a base down. It's like a baseball team when
Speaker 1: they get stuck with a thirty million dollar guy who
Speaker 1: can no longer play. The contracts guaranteed. I almost can't
Speaker 1: help but wonder which Gruden has more work to do
Speaker 1: this offseason, because suddenly the Redskins have a lot to
Speaker 1: fill in At the most absolutely could be heat if
Speaker 1: you get the wrong guy, and it's almost possible not
Speaker 1: to with what's out there for veteran quarterbacks. You have
Speaker 1: to find a draft guy. I mean, there aren't that
Speaker 1: many times where this statement wouldn't be true, but there
Speaker 1: there isn't a team I think I'd want to be
Speaker 1: a fan lass of in the Redskins right now to
Speaker 1: the next You mean they've long been on your radar,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying they're in a pretty terrible situation
Speaker 1: this this injury. Even before Smith got hurt, and we
Speaker 1: talked about it all through the last season. He wasn't
Speaker 1: playing well, but now it's essentially puts him into purgatory.
Speaker 1: They and they're gonna probably sit there for a couple
Speaker 1: of years and and hopefully come out on the other side.
Speaker 1: They need to They need to somehow get lucky at
Speaker 1: quarterback with Bridgewater or I don't know, Tanna, I mean,
Speaker 1: could they or just someone that Tyrode. They somehow turned
Speaker 1: Tyrode and they just hope they win nine games. That's
Speaker 1: and that's the best case scenario. A three and thirteen
Speaker 1: scenario is very on the table too. Da Marius Thomas
Speaker 1: is not connected to a team any longer. The Texans
Speaker 1: released the veteran wide out after half a season. He
Speaker 1: came over at the trade deadline. Uh Houston ship the
Speaker 1: fourth round pick to the Broncos, hoping to compliment DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1: It didn't quite work out. Thomas, thirty one, who's obviously
Speaker 1: lost the burst and ability that made him a start
Speaker 1: with the Broncos, had just twenty three catches for to
Speaker 1: seventy five and two scores in seven games. Then he
Speaker 1: blew out as Achilles in Week sixteen. Uh So, who
Speaker 1: knows uh ifuld even be ready to play uh come
Speaker 1: Week one. But given the fact that he's thirty one,
Speaker 1: given that he was in decline, Mark, you get the
Speaker 1: feeling it's not going to be a welcoming market for
Speaker 1: Damarius Thomas if he continues to play or wants to
Speaker 1: play well. I mean, Greg and West here putting together
Speaker 1: there list of free agents, and I heard you one
Speaker 1: of you to believes they would not he would not
Speaker 1: even be on the list potentially. The other had him.
Speaker 1: I believe was it eighties something, late eighties. I had
Speaker 1: him in the nineties. Greg, I believe, didn't hit him
Speaker 1: at all, didn't him at all. I gotta do it.
Speaker 1: He's thirty one, he'll be almost thirty two when the
Speaker 1: season starts, coming off an achilles injury. Did not play
Speaker 1: well for the Broncos or the Texans last year. And
Speaker 1: look at a guy like Brandon Marshall, like we see
Speaker 1: him as a borderline Hall of Famer, his last good
Speaker 1: season was aged thirty one. At the end comes quickly,
Speaker 1: it does, especially at that position. Finally, in the news,
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers part way with defensive end Vinny Curry, who
Speaker 1: was a big player in the Eagles Super Bowl run.
Speaker 1: He part laid that into a This is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite Rhodo World moves. They put all contracts now
Speaker 1: in quotes, three year, twenty three million dollar deal last March,
Speaker 1: so he gets paid. He made six six and a
Speaker 1: half million UM uh in twenty eighteen. But that's all.
Speaker 1: The contract ends up being one for six and a half.
Speaker 1: They're able to get out of the deal and Curry
Speaker 1: goes back on the street. Um. He had just two
Speaker 1: and a half sacks in twelve games. Uh you got?
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, where does where does a Vinny Curry
Speaker 1: type of defensive end with some buttifides but never you know,
Speaker 1: monster seasons in his resume? Where does he fall in
Speaker 1: the free agency pecking order? Let's see, I have my
Speaker 1: list right here. It's like fifth or six on my list.
Speaker 1: I had a nine disaster there to Mary's Thomas, I
Speaker 1: had Ny Curry. They're in the same category. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a reminder. Jason Light's got in a lot of
Speaker 1: rope in UH Tampa. He's on his third head coach.
Speaker 1: They have had quite a licked by the way disastrous
Speaker 1: UH free agent signings and his record, there's twenty seven
Speaker 1: and fifty three in five years, Mini Elway minus the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? Are you saying, uh in the legendary pro
Speaker 1: career and the car dealerships? Um, are you saying that
Speaker 1: maybe the Bucks should see the light on this? Hey,
Speaker 1: it's a good It was a good job that the
Speaker 1: eagle side of late not re signing. That's what good
Speaker 1: teams do. Bang the self scout, that's what's happening in
Speaker 1: the news. All right, Well, there's one other big piece
Speaker 1: of news, but that will seg ind to our next
Speaker 1: topic here Antonio Brown, who um gotta added nowhere saying
Speaker 1: that's gonna seg into our next topic. Yeah, that's just
Speaker 1: gonna this is more news segways too long a word,
Speaker 1: it's industry jargon. Dannis mastered it. It's Dargo Bro got it.
Speaker 1: Um seg into this next day, bro, Antonio Brown, Uh,
Speaker 1: we know is having a tiff with the Steelers. Um.
Speaker 1: There was an idea that he could end up being
Speaker 1: traded this offseason, while he took the next move to
Speaker 1: try to make it a reality, sending out on all
Speaker 1: social media platforms, Thank you Steeler Nation for a big
Speaker 1: nine years. Time to move on and forward peace hashtag
Speaker 1: new demands. I don't know. I must not be following
Speaker 1: the story close enough. I don't get the rep um,
Speaker 1: but also included a highlight reel video and some music.
Speaker 1: Really nice social media work by his team. Um, but
Speaker 1: can't go over a minute Twitter debt. You know that's
Speaker 1: a bit there a minute, and we can't play any
Speaker 1: rights music at all. But apparently Antonio Brown could go crazy.
Speaker 1: Uh you know playing who was it? Greg? I know
Speaker 1: you love rap, Greg likes rapt. I listened to it
Speaker 1: on mute. I did watch it for seconds. But do
Speaker 1: what I want by little oozy vert. Not familiar with
Speaker 1: his work, um anyway, so you know that he's drawn
Speaker 1: the line in the city said get me out of town.
Speaker 1: And of course, why would Why wouldn't you want to
Speaker 1: play with the Steelers and play with an amazing quarterback
Speaker 1: and make a ton of dough and be competing for
Speaker 1: the superle every year. I hope this dude ends up
Speaker 1: in purgatory himself, you know, send him, Send him to
Speaker 1: the Redskins, and then see how how much he enjoys um,
Speaker 1: you know, being the man and the new headlines all
Speaker 1: the time. All right, I'm gonna get off now, Pious
Speaker 1: and set up this next seg and get a second
Speaker 1: to the set. Greg, and let's lay out some realistic
Speaker 1: trade options for Antonio Brown because the Steelers, I imagine
Speaker 1: um are actively going to shop their Star Wide receiver,
Speaker 1: or maybe they're not, but we're gonna throw out some
Speaker 1: realistic potential options. Greg, I want you to get his going.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm I'm gonna start. And first of all,
Speaker 1: I really enjoy that he just decided to announce his
Speaker 1: goodbye with like a video that the Steelers have no
Speaker 1: idea about. It's just like that's that could be like
Speaker 1: a new way to just like quit your job there.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they saw that. It was just what that's
Speaker 1: not up to you? Why do you keep destroying your
Speaker 1: value by by giving us no choice but to trade
Speaker 1: you getting an off field incidents showing up to radio
Speaker 1: row uh, making quite an impression on some people that
Speaker 1: you might not be sober like there was a lot.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot going on to scare teams away.
Speaker 1: You got it all wrong. He's he's playing chess, you're
Speaker 1: playing checkers, bro. I guess he's trying to ruin his
Speaker 1: eye or wherever team he goes doesn't have to give
Speaker 1: up a lot to get him. He's over he's over leverage.
Speaker 1: I either has to admit he's been wrong all along
Speaker 1: or to fight his way. I I feel like Pittsburgh's
Speaker 1: might just not trade him. I'm not even totally having
Speaker 1: up on this. I wouldn't doubt that, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna start with the Eagles. Now, the Eagles
Speaker 1: have a lot of cap issues, but they figure out
Speaker 1: how to be. Steelers would love to trade him in
Speaker 1: state and people got a comda. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: treade him to like the Browns. Yeah, we've heard that's
Speaker 1: absolutely effective. And keep him on your team. If you're
Speaker 1: so afraid of the big bad other teams, Oh your state,
Speaker 1: give me a break. Um yeah, Greg, show no respect
Speaker 1: for borders. There's like six hours away anyways. CBS Sports
Speaker 1: reported that the Steelers would not want to trade him
Speaker 1: to the Pats or the Browns, Bengals or Ravens. Ravens okay.
Speaker 1: So I was thinking what team could have, like kind
Speaker 1: of a culture that they would feel confident enough that
Speaker 1: they could take on his personality and in a need
Speaker 1: and flexibility to figure it out. Nelson aghilar on the
Speaker 1: hook for his fifth year option nine point three million
Speaker 1: next year, no dead money whatsoever. Bye Bye, Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: come on over only for about what six seven million
Speaker 1: dollars more and we just got a lot better. It's
Speaker 1: Philadelphia that feels like a front office that would twelve
Speaker 1: million dollars. He's on the hook for it. It's kind
Speaker 1: of a sneaky thing that his contract is great because
Speaker 1: you don't have to give him any signing bonus. All
Speaker 1: you gotta do is pay him twelve million next year
Speaker 1: eleven the year. You know, that's great. You gotta be
Speaker 1: Any team that trades from has to be realized that
Speaker 1: he's going to demand an extend right away. Worked after
Speaker 1: one year and one year and then you're gonna trade
Speaker 1: him a year later. That's who we're dealing with here.
Speaker 1: That's fine. Thoughts on this move. Like, like I said,
Speaker 1: I think this is a front office that still believes
Speaker 1: they are very much in a Super Bowl window. There's
Speaker 1: a need at wide receiver, and I could they had
Speaker 1: they I could see them pulling off a deal to
Speaker 1: make this work. But I my other thing is that
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh keeping him is the ease to me the leader
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. Interesting, I don't disagree with either of you, guys.
Speaker 1: I mean I sensed that the Steelers might be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we won't trade him in the state. But are you
Speaker 1: sitting out the rest of the segment? Mark, then not
Speaker 1: at all. I have an idea too of a place
Speaker 1: to go, but west continue Denver Broncos Joe Flacco's newest toy.
Speaker 1: What a nightmare that their receivers coach, Zaka Zani, was
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown's receiver's coach in college. They also have Mike Munchak,
Speaker 1: their new O line coach, who was in Pittsburgh. There's
Speaker 1: some connections there and I think, I mean, always moved
Speaker 1: for Flat tells me he still thinks he has a
Speaker 1: contender of things break right, I'm not sure. Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: remembers college and uh Ian our insider did mention the
Speaker 1: Broncos as one of the teams that would be willing
Speaker 1: to maybe take a run at it. He said they
Speaker 1: were plotting. This was about a month ago. But he
Speaker 1: said they thought they'd give up a draft pick for him.
Speaker 1: So you might be onto something. What kind of what
Speaker 1: kind of what would they give up? Did you say?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what Antonio Brown's value
Speaker 1: is I really don't I don't you guys, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: assume that it's your first round pick. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody's given up the first round pick, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy you say that. But you also famously don't
Speaker 1: think character matters, and not showing up for the biggest
Speaker 1: game of the year. I think that they don't think character,
Speaker 1: so you don't said around your team with jerks and idiots.
Speaker 1: And it's a case by case basis. Brown's offseason is
Speaker 1: concerning because he's not in his right mind. He's fighting,
Speaker 1: so I think that does hurt his trade value, and
Speaker 1: it would make me concerned. Would because when you say that, okay,
Speaker 1: he like threw something, you know he's getting sued because
Speaker 1: he threw something off off the porch and almost hit
Speaker 1: a kid. There's been some other um these are bad things,
Speaker 1: salt alligate stuff like that. There's some concerns about his
Speaker 1: state of mind in general. I mean, it's almost hitting
Speaker 1: for the cycle when it comes, like when he showed up.
Speaker 1: I think the fact when he showed up to Radio Row,
Speaker 1: I think that maybe got around a little bit that
Speaker 1: he just didn't he he had some very strange interviews,
Speaker 1: and I think teams are just like, what's up with
Speaker 1: this guy? He basically is kind of freaking out. At
Speaker 1: the end of last season he set up I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's problem. It's all big Ben's fault. I heard
Speaker 1: that on Twitter. It's all big Ben's fault. I need
Speaker 1: to plug in on this radio row thing. I totally
Speaker 1: missed it. So the blog mustache. That's a red flag
Speaker 1: on radio road what was going on? So he showed
Speaker 1: people thought he was drunk. Watched some of his interviews.
Speaker 1: He just kind of he didn't seem in his right mind.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't stay drunk Ricky for a newsdrop for tomorrow show,
Speaker 1: for Friday show. Let's find a Antonio Brown interview that
Speaker 1: was saucy. So it's not alcohol, he was under the influence.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even want to. We're not
Speaker 1: alleging anything, but he just doesn't seem that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like he's a in a good frame
Speaker 1: of your On a very popular NFL podcast, you were
Speaker 1: putting a spotlight on people that are alleging It's so
Speaker 1: essentially you are as well implicated. Accept that argument. There
Speaker 1: are whispers whispers out there. I'll throw one out there.
Speaker 1: How about the Packers, I mean, here we go. Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Let me to the NFC
Speaker 1: title game with Green Bay. Let me let me explain why, because, um,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. They're coming off obviously, back to back, very
Speaker 1: disappointing seasons. Aaron Rodgers got he got some heat for
Speaker 1: the first time ever last year for his play, which
Speaker 1: he deserved. Mike McCarthy got even more heat obviously, which
Speaker 1: he deserved as well. He got shipped out of town.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that kind of went under the
Speaker 1: radar I thought was how shoddy his supporting staff was
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position. Davante Adams is an all pro,
Speaker 1: He's a star, okay, but if you need more than that,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham right now, they're saying they're keeping him around.
Speaker 1: But Jimmy Graham is not Jimmy Graham anymore. Randall Cobb
Speaker 1: is in deep decline. That that kind of surprised me.
Speaker 1: How that how that worked out. Uh, they have some
Speaker 1: other receivers that are you could say, are promising, but
Speaker 1: did not make the leap when they were needed last year.
Speaker 1: So why don't you uh, and Aaron Rodgers thirty six.
Speaker 1: It's time to make a move. It's now or never.
Speaker 1: Go give him Antonio Brown in line up, Davante Adams
Speaker 1: across from him, and let's let's see if this old
Speaker 1: dog can hunt. Let's see if Aaron Rodgers can go
Speaker 1: nuts and throw forty eight hundred yards and forty two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: If if he's as great as he is, and we've heard,
Speaker 1: and it's been setting this podcast that he is arguably
Speaker 1: the greatest pure quarterback ever. Well, let's before his prime
Speaker 1: is up. Let's give him one of the most productive
Speaker 1: players ever to throw too. And what would it cost?
Speaker 1: All right? Yeah, I mean maybe Antonio browns and nuts
Speaker 1: and that is gonna hurt his value, but I still
Speaker 1: think he would command a first round pick. Um, So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a first rounder. Plus, let's get Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham out of the building, do some and do some
Speaker 1: bookkeeping for us, because Antonio Brown is gonna cost a
Speaker 1: lot down the line potentially, So Jimmy Graham and the
Speaker 1: first him out of the building. No, they're gonna trade
Speaker 1: him salary dump uh. And the Steelers, I know they
Speaker 1: have some tight ends they like, but They're they're gonna
Speaker 1: give it a shot. With part of the deal. They
Speaker 1: want a first rounder. They want to save face and
Speaker 1: and at least big. We have this name brand and
Speaker 1: a first rounder coming to us. Don't be mad, fans,
Speaker 1: and you get Antonio Brown's Antonio Brown in a sixth
Speaker 1: You'd be paring the most extra wide receiver and quarterback together.
Speaker 1: It feels like a trade, a dream trade for NFL network.
Speaker 1: It's automatically months of programming just ticketed to leave everything.
Speaker 1: It's not fantasy trade. PARTA. They need that, they need
Speaker 1: the money, the Gram party forget about that. But I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think that it's an absurd idea. I
Speaker 1: don't know bas front office to be that aggressive and
Speaker 1: pull different than the old days. Yeah, I see Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown enjoying the Green Bay nightlife, right, that wouldn't be
Speaker 1: a bad thing for me that Brett Farve get him
Speaker 1: out of Atlanta. I I think Antonio Brown is a
Speaker 1: great person to go after despite all of this, Like
Speaker 1: even though, but here's the thing, I really do believe
Speaker 1: that you're gonna get like that TiO honeymoon year out
Speaker 1: of Antonio Brown this year, Like you can't discount a
Speaker 1: that he was playing great last year even though he
Speaker 1: wasn't quite at his level. He's still an incredible player,
Speaker 1: incredibly prideful player, and I think he's gonna want to
Speaker 1: prove to everyone in a new spot for at least
Speaker 1: a year, like he's still the man. And so I
Speaker 1: think it's a little like Randy Moss, you know, when
Speaker 1: he went to the Patriots, of like getting Randy Moss.
Speaker 1: He's not that far off that he's really not point
Speaker 1: to the numbers but he has on defense is not
Speaker 1: nearly the effect. But he's one of the great receivers
Speaker 1: of his generation. There's just no doubt about that. I
Speaker 1: have one for you, and it's the argument against it
Speaker 1: before I put the argument for is that the team
Speaker 1: is not at the Super Bowl doorstep. But I think
Speaker 1: there's some pressure on the front office to make a move,
Speaker 1: and I think it's the forty Niners. There's already been
Speaker 1: this hubbabalou where he wants to play in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: They've got they've got the cap room, no question about it.
Speaker 1: And you have and Kyle Shanahan arguably one of the
Speaker 1: best coaches around. But the pairing of him and John
Speaker 1: Lynch have won ten games in two seasons. You need
Speaker 1: to make some sort of a move that goes beyond
Speaker 1: the slow, you know, methodical team building scenario. They've been
Speaker 1: active in free agency and you pair them with Jimmy
Speaker 1: g and I think that would be a fresh start.
Speaker 1: He's out of the a f C. For the Steelers.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the cost would be because they
Speaker 1: sit there with that number two pick in the draft,
Speaker 1: maybe a second rounder and the second top of the
Speaker 1: second future worth or third or something. Yeah, that could
Speaker 1: get it done potentially to it. I love it. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: they be considered the favorites at this point? Well, I
Speaker 1: mean they've got there's nothing that would be really it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be hard for them to pull it off if
Speaker 1: the Steelers were open to it. And I don't think
Speaker 1: the Steelers care about sending Antonio Brown where he wants
Speaker 1: at all, but he's expressed interests where he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: difficult about it. I think it's a big um, as
Speaker 1: you alluded to put up our shut up here for
Speaker 1: everyone in Bob shout hand. You can give a pass
Speaker 1: because it's just been a choppy start with what's been
Speaker 1: around him. But certainly the GM who is a football
Speaker 1: and full player turned analyst that turned into a GM randomly, Uh,
Speaker 1: he needs to have some randomly it was pretty random.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he got that job. But um, they need to show
Speaker 1: some real progress. They gotta win. Just like Help wanted
Speaker 1: sign at the while he was there, He's like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: It's like when you're looking for an apartment and you're
Speaker 1: just wandering around Manhattan and all of the study's in
Speaker 1: an open house, like, oh, I can you avoid the
Speaker 1: broker's fee and you wanted and you get the apartment,
Speaker 1: you look out. I think that's what happened, John John
Speaker 1: John Lynch. But anyway, I think if they don't win
Speaker 1: like eight games, at least he's gonna get shipped out
Speaker 1: of town. Shanahan will be on the hot seat. They
Speaker 1: need to make a move this year. Hopefully Jimmy g
Speaker 1: stays healthy and they're not afraid to be aggressive. As
Speaker 1: Mark alluded to, they've spent a lot of money in
Speaker 1: free agency, and a lot of the money that they
Speaker 1: spend in free agency is being flushed out because it
Speaker 1: didn't work out this year. You know, there's a little
Speaker 1: tease for the cuts list. There half the guys that
Speaker 1: Lynch is signed or gone, anybody else have one. I'll
Speaker 1: just throw it out there because the big fish having
Speaker 1: Silver brought it up on Twitter, and there is there
Speaker 1: is logic to it. Even though we heard about this
Speaker 1: and consider the source with the no fly list for
Speaker 1: the Steelers. But the Patriots have a real need for stealers.
Speaker 1: Will never do that, right, But what I agree, but
Speaker 1: it's they would have to pay a premium. They would
Speaker 1: have to pay a major premium. But what if the Patriots,
Speaker 1: because what else do they have to prove? Not now
Speaker 1: they're just they have f you money, and they're like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing at this point that why not just try
Speaker 1: to get Brown in here and set some records and
Speaker 1: try to go to nineteen and o again, what if
Speaker 1: you gave up two first round picks f Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: who says no, I the Patriots say, now, as much
Speaker 1: as it would be fun and as much as I'm
Speaker 1: you know, mildly concerned right now that the number two
Speaker 1: receiver for the Patriots under contract next year is Braxton Barrios. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but their first round back, I guess the second round
Speaker 1: pick essentially, So they need like four receivers and they
Speaker 1: need you know, one or two starters. But there's no
Speaker 1: I just don't think that the Steelers would ever do it.
Speaker 1: And then about you, if you were the Gym, No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't because who cares After Tom Brady finally retires?
Speaker 1: Who who cares that the Patriots going to? You don't
Speaker 1: want to go. I don't want them to just I
Speaker 1: don't want them if you leave a train. I don't
Speaker 1: want them to go against what what they have built
Speaker 1: and done it does. What about you, Ricky? You want
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown? I would say, make him for a second
Speaker 1: round pick, not for two second. I'll give you one first.
Speaker 1: I well, we're not gonna do that your Jets. I'll
Speaker 1: give you a first and you have to take Chris
Speaker 1: Hogan on your team. I know he's a free agent,
Speaker 1: but you have you have to agree to sign Chris Hogan.
Speaker 1: That's part of the deal. I think Levy on Bell
Speaker 1: is gonna end up on the Jets, but do not
Speaker 1: go near Antonio Brown. Um, all right, good seg what's
Speaker 1: seg to the next? Seg? Bro? Big names getting cut? Greg?
Speaker 1: I know you're working on this. Greg has a whole
Speaker 1: like um outlined, I've noticed this, Greg. We've worked together
Speaker 1: long enough now once we hit off off season. If
Speaker 1: you look at Greg's calendar of events, he has like
Speaker 1: locked and loaded ten different columns that take him basically
Speaker 1: from early February till about I don't know June or so,
Speaker 1: and you just roll one after and another some variations.
Speaker 1: But yes, you even do, and they do well, and
Speaker 1: they promote him well, and Greg says, hey, if it
Speaker 1: ain't broke, roll out again. It's like this is one
Speaker 1: of like this little preambo we did this last year.
Speaker 1: I believed this is the brand. This is like if
Speaker 1: you ever try to get on Greg's corner, he'll literally
Speaker 1: bite you if you try to write something like this
Speaker 1: like it would be, it'll be amazing. Mark. If you
Speaker 1: go through Greg's archive and see whatever is the next one,
Speaker 1: and then you go to Ali and then and write
Speaker 1: it out from under Greg's feet and just see how
Speaker 1: Greg react. You'd find my body lifeless and with the
Speaker 1: blood drained out along the ten Highway Black Dollyhood. Anyway, Greg,
Speaker 1: so you is it up on the side or it's
Speaker 1: coming A FC version is up? Okay, NFC will be
Speaker 1: That's the other trays. You break it down by com ference,
Speaker 1: it's a double cover. It's too long. Otherwise I like
Speaker 1: to get into the nitty gritty anyway. So, yes, the
Speaker 1: big names that could be cut. So let's start with
Speaker 1: the a f C. Why not Greg, Why don't you
Speaker 1: throw throw a name out there, Let's let's discuss. I
Speaker 1: like doing this. This is an exercise for like free
Speaker 1: agency prep, which is I really do enjoy free agency,
Speaker 1: and because some names come up that you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: thought about. And Justin Houston was the name that surprised
Speaker 1: me the most. That in Kansas City. I think it's
Speaker 1: almost the expectation that Justin Houston uh is going to
Speaker 1: get caught even though he's playing at a high level
Speaker 1: of twenty million dollar cap hit. They're changing to a
Speaker 1: four three defense. We didn't really talk about them hiring
Speaker 1: Steve Spagnola, but that's a pretty big sea change. And
Speaker 1: when you listen to their GM Brett Beach talk about
Speaker 1: how all the their players are gonna fit, it was
Speaker 1: pretty notable. How they've already committed to de Ford is
Speaker 1: gonna be back, whether it's a franchise, tagger a contract,
Speaker 1: He's back. They mentioned Derek Nandi As, here's where he's
Speaker 1: gonna start. They kept saying, start Chris Jones, this is
Speaker 1: how he fits. And then when they asked about Houston,
Speaker 1: they just were like, oh, yeah, Houston has done a
Speaker 1: lot of great, great things for us. And so that's
Speaker 1: a guy that is interesting to me because I think
Speaker 1: he'll be in our top ten West when you think
Speaker 1: in our top ten free agents when he's available. No,
Speaker 1: he will not be once all the tag Once all
Speaker 1: the guys get tagged, he'd be in the top twenty
Speaker 1: at the vision A. I have a big gap around
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen, and I think he'd slide in there. But
Speaker 1: he's old to be in the top ten. He's not
Speaker 1: quite as old as you think though. How old is
Speaker 1: he he is to be about thirty right, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know he got some years left at thirty. He's gonna
Speaker 1: get paid. He he is a guy. He just turned
Speaker 1: thirty in January, and I think there's a good chance
Speaker 1: he gets cut. You don't have Eric Barry as a
Speaker 1: cut candidate. He he's another one certainly you could throw
Speaker 1: on there. As I think Chiefs fans, as much as
Speaker 1: they adore Eric Berry, I think that he hasn't given
Speaker 1: them anything since he signed a six year, seventy eight
Speaker 1: million dollar contract that's like a complicated one with injuries
Speaker 1: and everything, and I think there would maybe try to
Speaker 1: rework his contract. But you're absolutely right. He is another
Speaker 1: one that could get cut from the Chiefs. Throw another
Speaker 1: one out there, Greg, I mean, you guys can throw
Speaker 1: any I noticed that you appropriately packaged a bunch of
Speaker 1: Dolphins together, and I feel like that team you're getting,
Speaker 1: you're dumping Ryan Tannehill, Devonte Parker, Robert Quinn, Erica's future husband,
Speaker 1: potentially Danny Amendola, who's gonna need, you know, some financial
Speaker 1: support after if this comes true. I mean he made
Speaker 1: six million, isn't either one with the modeling contract? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: he's the one that cheats on models. They're back together.
Speaker 1: They're back together. What's up with that they forgave each other? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they both cheated. So then didn't she like sell his
Speaker 1: rolex or something that she you know what, I don't care,
Speaker 1: It's gonna work in the long run. Adult. Wait, if
Speaker 1: how annoyed are you that that he's back together with this?
Speaker 1: It was annoying because we're totally flirting on radio row
Speaker 1: and then she's like Instagram storying around Atlanta. I was
Speaker 1: like that that I know she literally she tagged me.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. That list is a reminder that, like
Speaker 1: the Dolphins have made basically every different type of personnel
Speaker 1: mistake you can possibly make. Like Andre branch here's the
Speaker 1: guy that was on our team that we signed for,
Speaker 1: resigned for way too much money because he had a contract.
Speaker 1: Here Tannehill, we should not have given him that contract
Speaker 1: last year. Parker is a first round bus that we
Speaker 1: sort of stuck around with too long. Uh. Who else
Speaker 1: was on that list? I mean Robert Quinn was a
Speaker 1: guy they traded for which everyone knew that wasn't gonna work.
Speaker 1: It ended up not working. And like they've made every
Speaker 1: type of mistake. It's crazy how they've won between six
Speaker 1: and eight games in nine of ten seasons. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's hard to do. Let me ask you a question,
Speaker 1: Davante Parker, they picked up his fifth year option. Can
Speaker 1: they just drop it now? Yeah? That's that's like I
Speaker 1: almost could have made that a different category of like
Speaker 1: these fifth year option guys that are on the books
Speaker 1: for a lot of money. Kevin Johnson, the cornerback of
Speaker 1: the Texans, is another one. That comes to mind. Yes,
Speaker 1: they can just cut him as long as he's not
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna pay for him. I wouldn't doubt it. I mean,
Speaker 1: not not that much of my not not nine millions
Speaker 1: at a name that really interests you is someone that
Speaker 1: would command a saucy market. I um saw this. After
Speaker 1: the season, there was some talk about certain Ravens players,
Speaker 1: and Michael Crabtree did not surprise me. Jimmy Smith surprised
Speaker 1: me a little bit, but the was there were whispers
Speaker 1: that Eric Weddle could be gone, and Eric and Gregg's
Speaker 1: got him on his list. He would He got a
Speaker 1: lot of talk for Pro Bowl and played at a
Speaker 1: pretty high level last year. But he is what going
Speaker 1: on thirty three, going on thirty four. Maybe he's like
Speaker 1: a vocal leader on that team, important guy in that
Speaker 1: locker room. To right, he's hearing it too, because he
Speaker 1: said at the end of the season, I'll either retire
Speaker 1: or play for the Ravens. I don't want to play
Speaker 1: for anyone else. And then a week or two later
Speaker 1: he kind of was like, well maybe I would play
Speaker 1: for someone else. Makes it sound like Bruce Arians approach
Speaker 1: to careerism. Well they're trying to They're probably trying to
Speaker 1: reduce his contract. But yeah, they've got a lot of
Speaker 1: defensive backs. When you look at the Ravens roster, I
Speaker 1: was thinking about who who said that they could fall
Speaker 1: through the floor last episode was that Western Dan when't
Speaker 1: wasn't one of you? Or no, may have been Check.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was somebody I remember it being said. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was Checked. That great they they have, they have
Speaker 1: so many questions and so many players they're gonna cut.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of issues. I feel like i'm
Speaker 1: their roster there, Mark, including all those guys that West
Speaker 1: just said is gonna cut. What about your boy Jamie Collins?
Speaker 1: He seems like a relic from a dark period in
Speaker 1: the franchise when they had to overpay to bring in stars.
Speaker 1: He's never quite broken through. Would you be all right
Speaker 1: if they decided to cut the cord. I'd be surprised
Speaker 1: if he's on the team. I mean there have been whispers,
Speaker 1: as you noted in your Peace, Craig, that Jamie Collins
Speaker 1: is someone that's been called out various Sundays by viewers
Speaker 1: and others for his effort level. But also you're right
Speaker 1: he was a sashy brown you know, sort of by
Speaker 1: low but pay him way too much money type of
Speaker 1: guy that has been fine, but you never got the
Speaker 1: best of Jamie Collins. You got part B and so
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be there. There there's
Speaker 1: some pretty like big money defensive guys that at least
Speaker 1: the local writers thing might get cut. Gerald McCoy for
Speaker 1: the buckssed someone will pay him that, Like, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of shy. I'm really surprised by that. He's just injured
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I mean he's great when he played.
Speaker 1: He played really well last year. And then Olivier Vernon,
Speaker 1: who hasn't really lived up to the contract that the
Speaker 1: Giants gave him a few years and going strong at
Speaker 1: the end of last year, right, and hasn't really been healthy,
Speaker 1: but you would think would have a big market. And
Speaker 1: then Shan Lee for the Cowboys, and that's I don't
Speaker 1: think he would necessarily have a big market, but it
Speaker 1: would It would be very Cowboys to just like keep
Speaker 1: him around for another year at ten million dollars. But
Speaker 1: that just seems insane. What about um shots on the
Speaker 1: Cowboys in their business model, but they're they're a competitive
Speaker 1: team in this league. Business shots about the cowboys and
Speaker 1: who they pay it. They can't have punching bags. I
Speaker 1: don't think they could afford because they have to pay Lawrence,
Speaker 1: they have to pay Doc, they have to pay Mari
Speaker 1: Cooper eventually. I mean, these guys all neat. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta get rid of sorry, Uh, anybody else want to
Speaker 1: throw it out there? I see Charles Clay made your list, Greg,
Speaker 1: because he really needs to be on this type. Well,
Speaker 1: there's like kind of a list way at the bottom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's thirteen, like you know, like it says, yeah, just
Speaker 1: like a laundry list. He probably could. He probably could
Speaker 1: be put on a relative He probably could have been
Speaker 1: put on one of that. Like your boy Isaiah Crow. Well,
Speaker 1: he did not make the top list. I think it
Speaker 1: was a report that he's done that he's just being
Speaker 1: they're cutting ties with them. You should put instead of
Speaker 1: other players in trouble, other millionaires in trouble, just to
Speaker 1: really kind of put it in context that these guys
Speaker 1: are fine, everything will be all right. Yeah, how much
Speaker 1: trouble are they getting? White collar drama? I mean it's
Speaker 1: gotta be. It's still pretty devastating to you know, get fired.
Speaker 1: Not all these guys are set for life. Is it
Speaker 1: fired in the same Well, yeah, I can't speak to that,
Speaker 1: but it's part of the business. They say it all
Speaker 1: the time. Everyone on this list pretty much is going
Speaker 1: to get a job somewhere else, right. I mean they're loaded,
Speaker 1: but they probably have so many hangers on types around
Speaker 1: them and people just training them of money and funds
Speaker 1: that if they're not as rich as you think. Sometimes
Speaker 1: Jason Peters is someone who's should be very rich. Uh
Speaker 1: and we'll be in the Hall of Fame someday that.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of other teams are watching to
Speaker 1: see what the Eagles do because I think they're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to keep him and lower
Speaker 1: his money. But he's thirty seven years old, do a
Speaker 1: ton of money, had been injured a lot and speed rushers, right,
Speaker 1: and if he if he did become available, I think
Speaker 1: someone would just pay him like crazy because it's impossible
Speaker 1: to find tackles. I just want to say, I hope
Speaker 1: no one gets cut. I'm Jack the River. Um. All right,
Speaker 1: good talk, guys. Check it out NFL dot com Slash Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: All right, before we go, Greg Mark, here are the
Speaker 1: options if you want to swipe one of Greg's columns.
Speaker 1: I just went through his archive from last year. All right,
Speaker 1: cut candidates, I mean half missed that one tag primer,
Speaker 1: no free agency rollout and you know like the big
Speaker 1: list that there's a lot of pub there, Well that's
Speaker 1: West too. You gotta get on West's corner or you
Speaker 1: compare with No, I don't next quarterback rankings, Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: do that. I did. Why did I think that was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you have to do this because some sponsor had bought it.
Speaker 1: That's that we're not doing that. I actually, early in
Speaker 1: Greg's run here had a quarterback rankings piece and it
Speaker 1: was quickly so that sounds that take back what was yours? Well,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was mine, but it was also.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's an original. I think I
Speaker 1: came up with that. I have more options you. No,
Speaker 1: I did roster reset, No about this one, projected starters,
Speaker 1: factured joke, weak spots asked to me about football. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, making the leap get back. Definitely not.
Speaker 1: In fact, I am happy for Greg and his uh
Speaker 1: what he's doing here, I'm not. I don't want I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to help you if you want, I don't want.
Speaker 1: They are his QB Rankings basically doing all the things
Speaker 1: that you guys didn't want to do anymore, and you
Speaker 1: said sign them out and now just do it all right.
Speaker 1: QB Rankings talked to Ali about this. Um. We will
Speaker 1: be back on Friday with another exciting edition of the
Speaker 1: Around the End Felt Podcast. Anything else? Anybody else have
Speaker 1: something to add before we go? Oh? Yeah, one of
Speaker 1: our great listeners, j C. Carmichael from Cincinnati, had kidney
Speaker 1: transplant recently. I hope you're doing well. Jac See that's
Speaker 1: exactly That's great, j C. And thank you Clark for
Speaker 1: giving us all books that that was so thoughtful that
Speaker 1: not only did you give us books out kind of
Speaker 1: through mark under the bus there, No, I can't take
Speaker 1: it with me that night. I had a backpack and
Speaker 1: it was it was weeks ago. Now I could have
Speaker 1: recovered it anytime we've been uh, like two ships passing
Speaker 1: in the night. I had to take like five Why
Speaker 1: was that necessary? Betsy? I loved that we will coordinate
Speaker 1: West and I and I will get that book as
Speaker 1: soon as probably had to take like five ubers to
Speaker 1: retrace my steps and find my book bag that I
Speaker 1: had my backpack that I had left at a bar
Speaker 1: that night, but Ben got it, found it. It was
Speaker 1: just sitting there on the table. Yes, all right, that's it.
Speaker 1: This Dan had a signing off Boor, Quiet Storm, the mailman,
Speaker 1: the old boss Ricky Hollywood behind the glass, Nick Shook,
Speaker 1: going away bash tonight. Oh yeah, let's get crazy Stil
Speaker 1: Friday m hm