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Speaker 1: This is Kelly Henderson and you are listening to the

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Speaker 1: Velvet Edge podcast. As I've talked about quite a bit

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Speaker 1: on this podcast, I went through the process of freezing

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Speaker 1: my eggs recently, and after two unsuccessful attempts, I decided

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Speaker 1: that this was not the best route for me. However,

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Speaker 1: it has really put it on my heart to continue

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Speaker 1: to educate women about their options as far as fertility goes.

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Speaker 1: I went in blind and I often wonder if my

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Speaker 1: options would have looked different if I had started at

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Speaker 1: a different age. Although the process didn't work, overall, my

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Speaker 1: experience was made much easier by the amazing people I

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Speaker 1: worked with at over Egg Freezing Center in Chicago. In fact,

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Speaker 1: some of you may even recognize my nurse, Whitney Bischoff

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Speaker 1: from Crystal season of The Bachelor. Whitty is not only

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Speaker 1: a highly educated nurse, but her delivery of information about

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Speaker 1: this process helped me to understand and stay calm. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: do not think I would have been able to process

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Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff without her. Of course, we

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Speaker 1: also had some really interesting reality TV stories to exchange

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Speaker 1: as well, so forever be grateful for her and her insight.

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Speaker 1: We talked a lot about the fundamentals of utility, options

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Speaker 1: of egg freezing, and of course the Bachelor. Here's our conversation. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we were talking before about just my goal now

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Speaker 1: being to really educate women, especially young women, about this

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Speaker 1: egg freezing stuff and just how to get it on

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Speaker 1: your radar, what you need to know, because I wish

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Speaker 1: I had known stuff way earlier than I did, and

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Speaker 1: you guys taught me so much through the process. Um,

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted for like the medical perspective and

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Speaker 1: the professional opinion. Can you kind of talk through how

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Speaker 1: our egg reserve works? Yeah? Yeah, And I think that

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Speaker 1: that's a very common misconception that we all just kind

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Speaker 1: of get it, and I feel that talking about it

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Speaker 1: eye opener for a lot of women. So yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about it. So, as women, we are born with

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Speaker 1: all of the eggs that we will ever have, right,

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Speaker 1: So that's very, very different than men who make sperm

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Speaker 1: consistently throughout their life. So with women, it's very opposite.

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Speaker 1: I always say, we're more opposite and ways than what

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Speaker 1: we ever imagined. Um, but we're born with all of

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Speaker 1: the best way to visualize this in our brain is

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Speaker 1: if there was this imaginary line graph and on the

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Speaker 1: day that you're born is on that top left, but

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Speaker 1: you're born with millions of eggs, and on day one

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Speaker 1: so as time is going on, this line is gradually declining.

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Speaker 1: And what the line is depicting is what we call

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Speaker 1: eggs that we have remaining. And there's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of studies that have been completed on this ovarian reserve line,

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Speaker 1: and what the studies show is that on average, by

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Speaker 1: biggest dip. Now, with that being said, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: first example that I explained, UM. But there's very many

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Speaker 1: or that they may need to do more than one cycle,

433
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Speaker 1: or that five eggs really it wasn't enough to make

434
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Speaker 1: it worth their while. You know, they didn't know any

435
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 1: of that. And so that's again why we want to

436
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: explain all of this before you then are already knee

437
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 1: deep in treatment and didn't really know what you were

438
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: getting yourself into. It's important to kind of answer those questions.

439
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: And you know, egg freezing is wonderful. It's an amazing

440
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Speaker 1: sort of opportunity for the women in our generation to

441
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 1: have this chance to take control of your fertility. Women

442
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: ten fifteen years ago didn't really have this option. But

443
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: it's not a guarantee of a pregnancy. And a lot

444
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 1: of times you hear people say like, oh, I approach

445
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: my eyes, don't have to worry about it, or you know,

446
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot that still has to happen on the

447
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: tail and and I'm to talk about those things as well. Well,

448
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: that's actually a touch on that topic too, because I mean,

449
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Speaker 1: I think the reason, you guys, what I understood from

450
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Speaker 1: the education that y'all taught me was the reason you

451
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: want the fifteen to twenty is because all of those

452
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: eggs are not going to become an embryo, which you

453
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: kind of touched her in, But could you explain that

454
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Speaker 1: a little further, because I had no concept. I thought

455
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Speaker 1: exactly what you said, I'm gonna go in, I'm going

456
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: to freeze these eggs, and that's going to be the

457
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: number of chances that have to get pregnant, and that

458
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Speaker 1: is absolutely not true. It's not true. So let's talk

459
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Speaker 1: about what happens in a natural cycle every single month

460
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Speaker 1: for a woman. So what we do our bodies that

461
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: what they do is they recruit many immature o syites,

462
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Speaker 1: and O sites is just an egg, So they recruit

463
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: many immature eggs, and one egg matures, we ovulate that

464
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: out for pregnancy or if are we're not pregnant, then

465
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 1: we shed the lining and the cycle starts again. And

466
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Speaker 1: then all of the immature eggs that we recruited that

467
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Speaker 1: didn't im mature, weren't that one. Then we lose them.

468
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Speaker 1: So we're losing hundreds of eggs every single month. Okay,

469
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Speaker 1: Now there's many things that can happen in that process

470
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Speaker 1: that you know, it doesn't follow us, you know, as smoothly,

471
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Speaker 1: and that's why people will be like, well, how the

472
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Speaker 1: twins happen if if only one egg is So that's

473
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Speaker 1: a story for a different day. But that's, you know,

474
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: a very simple measures, like that's what happens every single month.

475
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Speaker 1: So what we're doing is we are trying to recruit

476
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Speaker 1: more mature ecreat me. We're trying to mature more than

477
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: one egg than what you naturally would. So we're trying

478
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Speaker 1: to get some of those eggs that you would naturally lose.

479
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: We're trying to save those are mature those So one

480
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: question is that you know, am i, am I hurting

481
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Speaker 1: my chances of getting pregnant in the future. Am I

482
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Speaker 1: taking eggs that I would have needed in the future.

483
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Speaker 1: And the answer is no, we're saving the ones that

484
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Speaker 1: you would have naturally lost anyways. But with that being said,

485
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Speaker 1: once we remove them, we have to monitor them to

486
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Speaker 1: see if they are fully mature for pregnancy, and some

487
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Speaker 1: of them aren't. It's very normal that when we retrieve eggs,

488
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Speaker 1: there's a portion of them that are just a mature,

489
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Speaker 1: meaning that they would never make an embryo, and so

490
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Speaker 1: for that we we don't freeze those because there's many

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Speaker 1: reasons that we don't freeze. The number one, that's an

492
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Speaker 1: inflation of number of how many eggs that you would have,

493
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Speaker 1: and number two, the chances of them surviving the saw

494
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Speaker 1: and making an embryore a very close close to zero.

495
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Speaker 1: So we only freeze the mature eggs, the best looking eggs.

496
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Speaker 1: So let's say we freeze those. And then in this scenario,

497
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Speaker 1: we're going to say that there's a woman. She frowze

498
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Speaker 1: her eggs at thirties, She goes on, she gets married

499
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Speaker 1: at thirty five, she has a baby at thirty six.

500
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Speaker 1: Now she's thirty seven, thirty eight, and she's trying to

501
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Speaker 1: get pregnant with baby number two, and she's struggling, and

502
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Speaker 1: so she wants to go back and dip into her eggs.

503
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Speaker 1: And let's say she froze fifty. So she comes back

504
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Speaker 1: and we attempted to thaw all of them, and let's

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Speaker 1: say out of the fifteen, fourteen of them survived the thaw,

506
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Speaker 1: So fourteen of them still look, can you what does

507
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Speaker 1: that mean though, because you guys said that a couple

508
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Speaker 1: of times to me, like survived the thaw, like, so

509
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Speaker 1: when you freeze that, go ahead, we're freezing them. And

510
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Speaker 1: what we're freezing them through a science called vitrification. And

511
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: vitrification has been around a long time for embryos, but

512
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Speaker 1: vitrification of eggs is that advancement in the technology that's

513
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: really just come to fruition in the past decade. That's

514
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: that fine tune technology and what it is, it's a

515
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: flash freezing method and it puts the egg in like

516
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: a glass like structure so that it's solid and it's sturdy.

517
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Speaker 1: Because eggs are so naturally fragile, they're only half of

518
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: the chromosomes that it takes to make a baby. Their

519
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: water based they're easily damaged. So with this science that's

520
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: making them sturdy when they're frozen, but when it goes

521
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: to fall them sometimes think of it just like if

522
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: you have put something in the freezer and you go

523
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: to like get it out and it's got freezer burn

524
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 1: on it, or it doesn't it doesn't taste like just

525
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: and that happens, and that's very normal that that happens

526
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Speaker 1: with eggs. So by surviving the saw, what I mean

527
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Speaker 1: by that is that once it's thawed and we look

528
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Speaker 1: at them, there's still a good quality. They're still mature,

529
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Speaker 1: they still would have the ability to fertilize with sperm.

530
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Speaker 1: So it is very normal that when we do that,

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Speaker 1: maybe one or two and that this is just an

532
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Speaker 1: our lab. We have about saw rate, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: speaking for every one. That they would them on average,

534
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: and our lab survived a thought, it is yeah. I

535
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: mean our embryologists that do this are award winning, gotten

536
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: awards um based off of just doing that. Your pacation

537
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: goes back to do your research about the place that

538
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: you do it, because these are all the big selling

539
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: points for me on why shows over. Yes, exactly, so

540
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Speaker 1: they survived a thought. On this specific example, boy said,

541
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Speaker 1: this woman had fifteen, so we let's say fourteen survived.

542
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: They look good, all right, So then we have to

543
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: fertilize them with sperm. And when this you know, when

544
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Speaker 1: someone freezes their eggs, a lot of times they don't

545
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Speaker 1: know who the sperm source is going to be. Is

546
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Speaker 1: it going to be it's you know, a donor, is

547
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Speaker 1: it going to be husband or a partner who knows

548
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: who it's going to be, so we don't know the

549
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: quality of it at that time, so we have to

550
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: quality of the sperm is very important. I mean, I

551
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: think women take a lot of this burden on themselves

552
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: that oh it's me or if I'm not pregnant, it's

553
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Speaker 1: my fault or my eggs. But you know what and

554
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: the ivy F clinic I would say about you know,

555
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: at the time, it is a male factor problem. So

556
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: we have to think about the quality of the sperm

557
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: as well. So we've got these fourteen eggs, We're gonna

558
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: attempt to inseminate or fertilize all of them, and then

559
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: we monitor them to see how they grow into embryos

560
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: over the next five six days. So over the next

561
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: five to six days when the embryologists are monitoring them,

562
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: some of them are going to fall off. So some

563
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: of them on certain days or certain stages are not

564
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: going to be um you know it progressing or growing

565
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: into what we call a blast assist. So it's the

566
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Speaker 1: eggs which which is then the embryo. We all learn

567
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: about micosis while we're in school. That's basically what is

568
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 1: happening at the cells are multiplying and doubling, and then

569
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: it gets to what we call blast assists, which is

570
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: what we want them to grow too. So when we

571
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: had the fourteen eggs that we inseminated in this example,

572
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: let's just say, let's say ten of them made it

573
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Speaker 1: to a blast assist or a good looking stage aged embryo. Okay,

574
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: so we started at fifteen at ten, then there's always

575
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Speaker 1: the option for women if they want to do genetic

576
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: testing of the embryos where we can see if there's

577
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: any chromosomal abnormality. UM, it's a completely optional depending on

578
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: the age of the woman once you frosia, the age

579
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Speaker 1: of the eggs. Sometimes we recommend it, sometimes we don't. UM,

580
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: it's really up to the patient and the decision with

581
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: their treating medical professional. But if let's say someone wanted

582
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: to do the genetic testing of these embryos and we

583
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: buy up see them and sent them off, then most

584
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Speaker 1: likely not all ten of them are going to be

585
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: chromosomeally normal. So again you're losing some there. And then

586
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: the thing is is that you don't even that we

587
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: haven't even transferred them to the unit yet. So I'm

588
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: not saying this to be overwhelming, But I'm just answering

589
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: the question that there's steps every step of the way

590
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: that it's very normal to lose an egg or an embryo.

591
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: So by just starting with five eggs, you can see

592
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: where there's a lot that has to happen before you

593
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: ever take home a how of the baby. And that's

594
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: why we want to be sure that you freeze enough

595
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: eggs to make it worth your while. And I know

596
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: that kind of something like an overwhelming sort of example,

597
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: but I think it's important that people understand what all

598
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: has to happen on the tailent. There's a lot that

599
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: happens in the lab before you're ever able to say, yes,

600
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant. It worked well, and that's why it's important

601
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, again you do your research and you freeze

602
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: enough ecs to make it worth your while. Absolutely, and

603
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: any fertility clinic you go to is going to deliver

604
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: the information exactly what you just said. All of that,

605
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: and if you remember, I had gone somewhere in Nashville

606
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: before I met with you guys, and I told you, like,

607
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: it was so helpful for me to hear it from

608
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: your voice because it wasn't as overwhelming for some reason.

609
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 1: It was just very factual and like, but here's how

610
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: we do that kind of thing. And I think that

611
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: it is an overwhelming there's they're very overwhelming statistics to hear.

612
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: And this again is why I'm so passionate about telling

613
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: people at an earlier age, because your chances are just

614
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: so much higher to get the higher numbers. Absolutely, you

615
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head, and it is important,

616
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: and like I said, it can be overwhelming, but I

617
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: think patients want to want to hear that information. They

618
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: want all of the information that they can get so

619
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: they can have a better understanding about what's going on

620
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: with this process that they're investing a lot of time, energy,

621
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Speaker 1: and money into. Right, And this kind of goes into

622
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Speaker 1: the topic of the quality of eggs, because as important

623
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Speaker 1: as it is to get into you know, you want

624
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Speaker 1: to get as many as you can. You want to

625
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Speaker 1: get the fifteen to twenty total, like you guys say,

626
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Speaker 1: and maybe that's a couple of rounds for someone who's

627
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: a little bit older, But the reason you want to

628
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: get more is because we can't predict what each egg

629
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Speaker 1: is going to do. However, I was, you know, you

630
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: and I talked a little bit about this before. But

631
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Speaker 1: I was reading a book while I was going through

632
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Speaker 1: the process called um It starts with the egg, and

633
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Speaker 1: she's she's gone through some fertility structures struggles. Excuse me,

634
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: She's not a doctor, so she was just speaking from

635
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: her own personal experience, and a lot of the conversation

636
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: was about the food we eat, the b p A s,

637
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: the thali's, the things around us in our house and

638
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: even in our makeup products that could be lowering our

639
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: fertility or the quality of our eggs so that when

640
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: you do take them, they're not lasting the way that

641
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: we want them to, or they're not transferring into an embryo,

642
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: or all the things that you just explained. So how

643
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: important is egg quality? Actually? Tim? Personally, I feel like

644
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: egg quality is better than the quantity, and we need

645
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: you obviously need the numbers, but if they're not good

646
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: through exactly so, I'd rather have, if I was a patient,

647
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: a few really really good looking eggs than a ton

648
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: that are just kind of math looking. Um. But that

649
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: it goes hand in hand the quality and the quantity.

650
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: So the age is the biggest factory, and I'm sure

651
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: there are environmental factors that affected that. We just don't

652
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: know exactly what they are absolutely um. But again, the

653
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: number one thing that we can pendpoint on what the

654
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: medical data tells us is at age is the biggest,

655
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: biggest factor when it comes to quality. And when we

656
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: look at you know, ovarying reserve and the testing that

657
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: is available to patients to you know, understand what their

658
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: fertility potential is, that's really just looking at the quantity.

659
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: The only way to look at the quality of an

660
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: egg is to remove it, look at it underneath the microscope,

661
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: and really the gold standard would be to fertilize it

662
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: with sperm and see how well grows into an embryo.

663
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: There's no testing by looking at ultrasound or in your

664
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: blood to let us know the quality of your egg

665
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: at this point, so we only have age to base

666
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: that off of. Okay, well, you mentioned smoking earlier being

667
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: such a you know, a hard thing for your body

668
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: and egg quality. Is there anything else that you recommend?

669
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you told me specifically to start doing acupuncture,

670
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: and is that that was to lower stress? Was that

671
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: the helpful part of that? We do, I believe, and

672
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: there have been studies that have shown that, you know,

673
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: acupuncture does help with stress. Our lives, and some people

674
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: have other experiences that they feel like it does or

675
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't help. It's kind of subjective, but we do

676
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: see that with acupuncture, and we know that the struss

677
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: levels then you know, go down. We do see that

678
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: only being a benefit as far as fertility. It's not

679
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: going to harm a patient by doing acupuncture, doing something

680
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: that's going to decree the dress in their life. It's

681
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: only going to benefit things. So when patients are going

682
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: through treatment and they're maybe not having an optimal response

683
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: or they're struggling, whether it be emotionally or physically, I

684
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: think acupuncture is always a good thing to try. And

685
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: maybe it's some patients aren't going to benefit from it

686
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: or not going to really love going through it, um,

687
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: But it's again, it's not going to be something that's

688
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: gonna harm you. Okay. Is there anything else that you

689
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 1: would give us tips? Even before? Because another thing that

690
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: I learned during this process was that we are eggs. Um.

691
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: I think I thought like, for each cycle, your eggs

692
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: were developing like just that month, but doesn't it go

693
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: back three months? Am I making that up? I haven't

694
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: heard that. Okay, don't trust me. I don't know where

695
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: I heard that, but I swore someone said that it

696
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: like it starts to develop our each cycle starts like

697
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: three months back. I don't know, y'all. Maybe I've made

698
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: that up. I'm not sure, and I'm not saying that

699
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: that's not I have not heard that. I'm not sure. Okay, Well,

700
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: I think the point is is to take care of

701
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: your body, maybe reduced stress as much as you can.

702
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: No smoking people. People asked me all the time, you know,

703
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: what can I do to improve it? And it's it's

704
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: really I wish that there was something you know, that

705
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: I could say do and this is going to help

706
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: your fertility, But it's really about just being healthy and

707
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: taking care of yourself and things that are going to

708
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: hurt you, you know, your weight or eating sugar or

709
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: doing this and all that. I mean, it's just about

710
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: being healthy. So taking care of your body, you know,

711
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: getting enough sleep and exercising and do it all of

712
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: those things. You know, we don't have a direct ink

713
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: between it, but it's not gonna harm you. So it's

714
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: only going to help you. Anything that can decrease stress

715
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: and to keep you healthy, you know, in the long

716
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: run is only going to help your fertility as well. Yeah,

717
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: I definitely think too. Um. Something that I didn't know

718
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: about the process was that when you actually do start

719
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: doing the process, you can't when you start your shots,

720
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: you can't work out. Um well, there's no drinking, which

721
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: is fine, but there's no sex, there's not there's not

722
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: a lot of things, Like there's a lot of things

723
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: that you really have to think about, Like for two

724
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: weeks basically are three weeks. I guess it ends writing.

725
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: And the reason that we we put those restrictions in

726
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: place no exercise and her course heavy lifting, it's for

727
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: the protection of you, your body and your ovaries. The

728
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: medications that you're taking cause your ovaries to enlarge. Your

729
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: ovaries are free hanging in your body. When you move,

730
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: they move, So we want to reduce the risk of

731
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: any sort of ovariant torsion, which is a really rare

732
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: risk because that is involved with treatment UM and that's

733
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: basically where the ovary, because it's enlarge, there's you know,

734
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: if you're doing a lot of activity, the over put

735
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: twist on itself, so then the blood flow would cut

736
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: off and all of that sort of thing, and that's

737
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: a medical emergency. So we're doing that for your protection.

738
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: That's why I tell patients, you know, it's just and

739
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things that may not seem like

740
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: it when you're not being able to work out, especially

741
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: if that's something that helps reduce stress in your life.

742
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: But in the grand scheme of it, it's only you know,

743
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: three or four weeks that we're at um to have

744
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: those restrictions someplace. Totally, I think I felt better I did.

745
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: I didn't try this twice, and I felt better going

746
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: into the second round because I had known that. So

747
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: I was able to kind of get my body ready,

748
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: like I worked out a lot before, and I felt

749
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: healthier going into it. And that was just a tip

750
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: that I thought maybe would be helpful to people to just,

751
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: you know, just to know, just to know what you're

752
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: getting into it, especially Yeah, when you're going and you're

753
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: looking to see, Okay, what month do I want to

754
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: do this scheduling, it's nice to know that going into it. Absolutely,

755
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: So we talked about reducing stress and we mentioned that

756
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: you were on the Bachelor back in the day. Yeah, ago,

757
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: do you say you won the Bachelor? I always think

758
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: that's so weird. It's like it's like, does that do

759
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: you call that winning, like if you're the last contestant.

760
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that. I feel like

761
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, refer to it is

762
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: that I don't know if that's necessarily the way that

763
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: I feel. Yeah, I was the last woman standing. Okay,

764
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: that's the way of the final rods because I always

765
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: think it's so weird You're talking about a relationship and

766
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, she won, and I'm like, but wait,

767
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: was that winning? I don't know. I think that's weird. Um,

768
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: So in some seasons, I'm like, maybe the winner is

769
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: person that doesn't actually exactly like the person who got

770
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: the final is did they really win? So tell us

771
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: about life after the Bachelor. What's been going on? Well,

772
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: I am married, Um, I have a little boy. Um,

773
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: I am married, not to the person that gave me

774
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: the final thank god, Jim a man Um Ricky and uh,

775
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: you know, right after the Bachelor, I it was a dark,

776
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: dark time for me and I didn't really know that, um,

777
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: things were ever gonna there were ever gonna be alive

778
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel, or things were ever

779
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: going to look up. And and they did, and I

780
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: met Ricky and it was just I mean, I guess,

781
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, they do say when you know, you know,

782
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: and I never believed that until I met him. But

783
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: we have been together now for gosh, four or five years.

784
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: We got married a few years ago. He welcomed our

785
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: first baby, a little boy, ten months ago. Dang. And

786
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: that was without using the eggs that you froze, right,

787
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: it was. It was without using them, Um, but I'm

788
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. It was. Getting pregnant did not come

789
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: easy for us, and it was something that, um, you know,

790
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: we did consult with Dr Kaplan about using the eggs

791
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: that I froze, and you know, he told us. You know,

792
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: we all have this timeline in our brain about how

793
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: we would think that our life is going to go

794
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: or the way that we expected or we want it

795
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: to happen, and when it doesn't follow that path, then

796
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: it's very anxiety provoking. And I'm no different, even you know,

797
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: working in the field and knowing what I know and

798
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: knowing that I still you know, it's not always easy

799
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: to get pregnant. I did want it to just happen

800
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: to me that first second third. It took about six

801
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: months though, and um, Dr Kaplan advised that we keep

802
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: the eggs, you know alone, leave them there for you know,

803
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: the possibility of baby number two or number three. And

804
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: I think that that's really important as well when we

805
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: talk about egg freezing, as people always think like, oh, well,

806
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm young, I'll be able to get pregnant. What if

807
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: you want more than one child? And secondary and fertility

808
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: is it's a large thing. We hear about this all

809
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: the time. We see patients all the time that are

810
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: struggling with secondary and fertility, especially if you're starting your

811
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: family a little bit later in life. So we decided

812
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: to leave and put and for me to just kind

813
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: of pump the brakes and try to manage my stress levels.

814
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: Um And it happened for us um without the need

815
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: to use them. But it's nice to know that they're

816
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: there because we would like to have another baby, and

817
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: if we're struggling, it's nice to know that they're there. Absolutely,

818
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: it's always nice to have a backup plan, you know. Yes,

819
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: So what happens, as someone asked me this and I

820
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: did not know the answer, what if you decide never

821
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: to use the eggs, what happens to them? They just

822
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: stay have so they're so people ask a lot of

823
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: times about the quality of them, meaning like if they're

824
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: frozen for a long period of time, do they start

825
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: to lose their effectiveness or if their quality diminishes and

826
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: they don't they can be frozen and definitely and there's

827
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: been you know, we don't see any sort of decline

828
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,479
Speaker 1: and the quality of the egg. But let's say you

829
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: your families completed, or you decide you don't want kids

830
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be, and you're ready to um

831
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: discard them. You have a couple of options. UM. One

832
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: of them is just like what I said, that we

833
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: can discard them. Um. The second would be that you

834
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: could donate them to research. Or the third would be

835
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: donate them to another couple, UM that is struggling with fertility,

836
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: that someone you know or anonymously sure certain things that

837
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: we need to do through FDA guidelines to um ensure

838
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: that you know, they're safe to be donated and we

839
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: could help patients out with that if that's what they choose. Yeah,

840
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: that would be an amazing gift to give someone for sure. Well,

841
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: why do you thank you so much? This was so helpful.

842
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: I think that your explanations of stuff, they're just so

843
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: much more clear than what I could ever communicate to people.

844
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: And I just think this is such an important topic.

845
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: I really do well, thank you, and I hope it

846
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: was helpful and not you know, overwhelming. UM by any

847
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: means that patients have or your listeners excuse me, have

848
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: any questions whatsoever. They can definitely UM reach out to

849
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: us on our website, which is over everreezing dot com.

850
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: They can call us UM. Our phone number is three

851
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: one two eight zero zero zero two to eight UM

852
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: and send us a message to the website as well. Again,

853
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: the first consult is comp menory with a nurse here

854
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: to just go over what at freezing would look like

855
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: for you specifically and managing those expectations and then kind

856
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: of letting you know if you wanted to get testing

857
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: what that would look like as well. And we see patients.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be local to Chicago. I think

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Speaker 1: that's right as well. UM. We see patients all over

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Speaker 1: the United States, and in the laboratory, we see patients

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Speaker 1: from all over the world that come into the lab right.

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Speaker 1: I was in Nashville and I decided to work with

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Speaker 1: you guys specifically because for me, it's it's you guys

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Speaker 1: just do egg freezing, so it's a very specialized thing.

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Speaker 1: And you know, a most fertility clinics you're sitting in

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Speaker 1: the waiting room with a pregnant couple or it's just

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Speaker 1: a different situation. So it felt very comforting to me

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Speaker 1: to be in a place that was very specific to

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Speaker 1: what I was going through. Absolutely, And then patients do

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Speaker 1: ask as well. You know, let's say I froze my

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Speaker 1: eggs and then I'm ready to use them, do I

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Speaker 1: get to come back to you guys, or do you

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Speaker 1: guys send me somewhere else? We do, you know, do

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Speaker 1: that second part as well. You know, we do feel

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Speaker 1: like it's very important to have that continuity of care

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Speaker 1: um with the facility that you feel comfortable with. Its

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Speaker 1: started the process with you and kind of completing the

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Speaker 1: journey with you as well. And you guys can also

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Speaker 1: be found on Instagram, right it's at is it at

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Speaker 1: over egg Freezing? Yes? Oh v A for anyone who's

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Speaker 1: looking them up, Yes, you got it. And it's all

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Speaker 1: women in this place. It's just amazing. It's a very

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Speaker 1: empowering place to be, which I think this situation can

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Speaker 1: be a very empowered decision for every woman to make.

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Speaker 1: So educate yourself, go ahead. It absolutely is empowering. I

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Speaker 1: mean some people are like, it doesn't seem empowering to me,

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Speaker 1: you know, like I'm sad that I'm you know, not

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Speaker 1: with someone, or that I'm not sure where I thought

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Speaker 1: it was going to be. But it's when you flip

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Speaker 1: that coin and you look at it as you have

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to take control of your future and take

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Speaker 1: control of your fertility. This is not you know you

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Speaker 1: That to me is amazing. That is empowering in and

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Speaker 1: of itself that we have the ability to do this. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: educate yourself and be active. That's my biggest, biggest sort

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Speaker 1: of you know, I guess my parting words is be

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Speaker 1: proactive versus reactive. We're proactive about so many things in

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Speaker 1: our life, and fertility shouldn't be any different. Absolutely, that's

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Speaker 1: the best way to put it, because I think the

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Speaker 1: more proactive you are, the more empowering it is. Absolutely. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much again for talking about this. I

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Speaker 1: feel like this is not discussed very much, and I

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Speaker 1: really want to keep just bringing light to the topic

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Speaker 1: that people are aware getting on the radar. They're proactive

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Speaker 1: and they're empowered, So thank you for educating us. Happy

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Speaker 1: to come back anytime. Okay, maybe we'll talk more reality

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Speaker 1: TV or maybe not ever again or yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if anybody watched the finale last night. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of talking. I'm behind. I've got to

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Speaker 1: go catch up. That's all my agenda for tonight. But

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Speaker 1: I heard it. It's like a very dundun situation. Is good,

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Speaker 1: It is good? All right? Well, thanks Kelly, I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, and thanks Whitney, and thank you guys for listening.

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Speaker 1: This is Kelly Henderson and you've been listening to the

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