1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR Boom. What Up America, 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: It's summer, It's June nineteenth. Welcome in. Could be? Could be? 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: Could be? Could be. 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: The last day we have we have basketball, last day 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: we have NBA basketball. If our head college basketball come 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: to an end, it could be all coming to an end. 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: In the very very near term, we'll get to tonight's game. 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: We'll give you a preview of it. Mark Medina is 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: going to join us on the show. I think Kurt 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Shilling's gonna join us. We'll talk about pictures and we'll 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: talk about show. Hey, now that he's back as a picture, 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: what he looks like despite the fact he's coming off 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: his second Tommy John surgery. Should Sanders in the news 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: with a speeding ticket over one hundred miles an hour, 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: We got to have some speeding ticket talk because I 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: got pulled over for speeding but did not get a 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: ticket yesterday. 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: But I want to start with this. 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: The Bus family is selling off sixty six percent of 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: the Lakers, and the Lakers are valued at ten billion dollars. 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: Okay, you do the math. 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: Sixty six percent, that's six point six billion dollars or 29 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: so in the pockets of Tommy Boy and Tommy Girl 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: and all of the Bus family that has run the 31 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: La Lakers. And I have to be totally honest with you, 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: I think we're looking at this all wrong. I think 33 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: we're looking at this all wrong because what has a 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: tendency to happen And Jason just shared it with me, 35 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: and I didn't actually even think of it that way. 36 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: Jason's a lifelong Los Angelino, right, I mean technically s 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: Orange County, but whatever, we all get lumped to kind 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: of the same bucket. And his childhood mirrored mine though 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: I wasn't born in California, moved to Orange County when 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: I was six, So our childhood, the Lakers seemingly were 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: always good, and they had the best broadcaster and chick Hern. 42 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: Chick Hern is to Lance New Lakers Basketball Network. They 43 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: had the most famous coach, They had one of the 44 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: two or three, two of the three biggest names in 45 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: all the NBA seemilarly at all times. Right, it was 46 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: Magic and Kareem and then Worthy and then Magic and 47 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: ultimately gave way to Shaq and Kobe and then to Lebron. 48 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: Like it's the Lakers, and so we have a tendency 49 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: when these things happened to look at the Lakers and 50 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: think of the dynamics. And I even heard Colins say 51 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: they went from analog to digital right away. 52 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: It's true. 53 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: The Lakers have been a mom and pop and my 54 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: guess is, you bring all that private equity money in 55 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: and it's going to be a well oiled machine, but 56 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: run very very differently, very much profit first. But that's 57 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that's the story. Because if you just 58 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: take the Lakers, you say, Okay, well maybe they didn't 59 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: want to sell, but ten billion dollars. Everybody has this price, 60 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: and that's fair. We do realize that in the last 61 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: calendar year or so, the Celtics have been sold, the 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: Mavericks have been sold, and if you go back to 63 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: last summer, Michael Jordan's sold sold a basically controlling Steak 64 00:03:51,600 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: in the Charlotte Hornets. There are thirty NBA teams. NBA teams, 65 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: the two most historic franchises have both been sold in 66 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: the last calendar year. 67 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: So if we look at this just like you look 68 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: at real. 69 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: Estate, and you say, yeah, of course, you know, finance 70 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: guys end up buying these teams. That tracks that makes sense. 71 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: Those guys have just seemingly untold sums of money if 72 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: you look at it from the perspective of ownership. Now 73 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: the Lakers can go to a spending war with the 74 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: Clippers because the Clippers we're owned by our owned by 75 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: Steve Balmer, who's worth untold billions of dollars, and it's 76 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: all just a decimal point to him. He's the most 77 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: valuable owner in sports, and he's done an incredible job 78 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: of building a new arena and supporting the team. 79 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: But I think the. 80 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: Bigger story is that whether it's the cost of doing 81 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: business or the franchises topping out in terms of their valuation, 82 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: the fact that you've had four of them sold during 83 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: the short period of time, including the two most historic 84 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: franchises sold, albeit for crazy money. The point is that 85 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: these are assets usually don't sell These are forever homes 86 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: and yet they've been sold. Heck throwing the Portland Trailblazers 87 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: who are being sold and now you got five of thirty, 88 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: that's one six the teams of the NBA. And if really, 89 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: really smart people who have made a lot of money 90 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: or who have inherited a lot of money, have these 91 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: teams in there and being advised to take the big 92 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: check and say I'm done here. And remember if it's 93 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: about money in the short term, like you don't have 94 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: a lot of money, If you're franchise is valued at eight, nine, 95 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: ten billion dollars and you're the owner, you can in 96 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: fact take out alone. My guess is that the uh 97 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: that the next wave of contracts because of the new 98 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: collective bard In agreement, feels like it's going to be 99 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: such a heavy burden to not only win in the NBA, 100 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: but look what happened to the Golden State Warriors after 101 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: they won another title. You just get luxury attacks to 102 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: death and you're constantly writing checks. 103 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: You lose money on a. 104 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: Daily and yearly basis, and we say you lose money, 105 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: It's not like you're losing a losing one hundred dollars 106 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: or even one hundred thousand dollars. You're losing millions, and 107 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: at some point it only makes sense to sell. And 108 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: when five of thirty are saying now is the time, 109 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: it tells you all you need to know about running 110 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: a business in the NBA or owning a team in 111 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: the NBA. That the old guard, and it's not even 112 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: that old guard. Mark Cuban cashed out. I'm good, I'm done. 113 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: I don't need the hassle, I don't need the constant 114 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: political fight, I don't need the expenses. 115 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: And it is in. 116 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: Fact a business, and much like a business. I remember 117 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: having a conversation with a buddy mine who runs a 118 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: restaurant in Oklahoma, and it was right after COVID. He 119 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: was like, we just can't find people to work. We 120 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: give bonuses for people for just coming to work. Now, 121 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: imagine running an NBA team where you have all the 122 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: issues and you don't hire concessions people you don't hire, 123 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: but you do hire your own staff. But everyone feels 124 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: that as it's harder and harder to get people to 125 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: go to work. And then the top paid people in 126 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: all of sports, in all of entertainment, by and large 127 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: are athletes and NBA players want to work less, want 128 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: to get paid more. That's the narrative for all people. 129 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: And they will be paid more, substantially more. And they 130 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: have so much power in the market that it makes 131 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: it really hard to balance your budget and still find 132 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: a way to win basketball games. Yeah, my takeaway is 133 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: just different. I'm looking at this and we're hyper focusing 134 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: on the Lakers and on the end of the bus 135 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: Family era, and we're going to sit back and say, 136 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this is actually no different than 137 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: crypto replacing staples. A cryptocurrency became a real thing, not 138 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: when it gained all its value, but when it put 139 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: their name on the most known arena in the Western 140 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: United States. 141 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: Instead of looking. 142 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: At like at this like it's a Laker story. And 143 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: eventually they'll clean house and you bring in a new 144 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: owner and you know he's going to cut ties with 145 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: and my guess is he has ties with Magic Johnson. 146 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: And it wouldn't surprise me if Magic Johnson gets his 147 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: revenge and people who he didn't feel we're loyal to 148 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: him will be out in the very near future, just 149 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: to guess. But to me, the story is that the 150 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: two most historic franchise in the NBA. Both are being 151 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: sold obviously for rookie sums, for record sums, and the 152 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: only possible explanation is cost of doing business is high 153 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: and getting higher. The valuations are at their peak and 154 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: feels like it's buttoned up against the ceiling and really 155 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: smart people are saying, you know, I think I'm good here. 156 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: I'll take the money and let somebody else do the 157 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: hassle of being the owner of an NBA team. For 158 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: over forty years, Tyrak has been helping customers find the 159 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: right tires for how, what and where they drive. 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Please celebrate in. 170 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 4: Runt of the play, oh walk up home run crew 171 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 4: Will Smith. 172 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: The Dodgers win in the ninth four to three, This 173 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: is the best of the Done Dot Leaf Show on 174 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio. 175 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: What I Want You Do Got Leave Show Fox Sports 176 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: Radio coming to you from uh two coasts sort of right. 177 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: We got a lot to get to you today. We're 178 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: getting ready for a game six to the NBA Finals. 179 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: Mark Medina will join us in twenty four minutes. Ge't 180 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: wait to talk to the funky col Mendina plus everything 181 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: else going on in the NBA. Dodgers padres walk off 182 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: home run by you know what, Chase Dowo. I'm gonna 183 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: give you credit. And yeah, as Dan can tell you, 184 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: I do a bad job of following up on some 185 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: of your guys tweets because they're really good. But as 186 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: you pointed out, Chase dou there's lots of catchers that 187 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: are good hitters. The difference to that the Dodgers catcher 188 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: is he always plays catcher as a quality hitter. Because 189 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: Shoheyo Tani is the dh. 190 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 3: There's a there aren't many catchers in the Hall of 191 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 3: Fame because catchers wear down because their production at the 192 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: point inevitably wears down over the especially as as the 193 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: summer moves on and the heat ramps up. You need 194 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 3: to give your catcher's rest. But the problem is, if 195 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 3: you have a guy who's very productive, hitting like three 196 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 3: point thirty and driving in a bunch of runs, you're 197 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: gonna play him every day. The problem is Shohio Tani DH. 198 00:11:55,559 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: He hogs the DH spot. He is immovable, and Will 199 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: Smith is a very productive hitter, so they have to 200 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: play him at catcher. And he's doing very well with 201 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 3: a walk off last night, and he should get more 202 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:08,599 Speaker 3: credit for that. 203 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: Love that we can do the more credit thing. We'll 204 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: get ready for tonight's game. We'll give you a couple 205 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: guys that should get more credit. We'll see with Tyre's 206 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: haliburt in game time decision. And I just again, I 207 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: have my own thoughts on that. But we do this 208 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: every Thursday. It's a way of talking sports, but doing 209 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: the nostalgia thing. 210 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 2: We call it. Don't call it a throwback Thursday. 211 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 5: Don't call it a throwback Thursday. 212 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 6: Dan Bayer, what do you have, my friend, Doug, I'm 213 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 6: not sure if I can do this, so I'm Stewart. 214 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Doug. All taking from here? 215 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 6: By the way, why does why why does Jason start it? 216 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 7: Why do you start it that way? Why is this 217 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 7: age you mean you mean thank you, Doug. I'll take 218 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 7: it in here. Yes, I'm glad you guys asked. I'm 219 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 7: glad you asked. Nobody's asked me this. I don't know 220 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 7: if he's still living. 221 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 3: Maybe uh Sam could google it and get it wrong. 222 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: If the great Paul Moyer is still alive, it's a 223 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: tribute to Paul Moyer. Doug knows Paul Moyer. He was 224 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: in this market in the eighties and nineties. He was 225 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: He was the greatest news anchor in the history of 226 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: Los Angeles. I think he was the first news anchor 227 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: to make a million dollars. He moved from ABC Eyewitnessed 228 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: News over to NBC and he was a six o'clock 229 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 3: news anchor. And Paul Moyer would start his newscast every 230 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 3: single night by taking the baton from the five o'clock anchor, 231 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: and the five o'clock anchor would be mid sentence and 232 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 3: they'd be for more of the coverage of the fire. 233 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 3: We'll got thank you, Nancy, I'll take it from here, 234 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 3: and he would just cut her off and start the broadcast. 235 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: And because it's Paul Moyer, the news that you just 236 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: got at five is going to be more important, and 237 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: it's going to be better because I'm delivering it to you. 238 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: I'm the news anchor that's going to give you the 239 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: best news. I'm the one making a million bucks. Thank you, Nancy. 240 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 3: I'll take it from here. 241 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 5: According to the highly unreliable AI powered Google, Paul Moyer 242 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 5: is still alive. 243 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 8: He's eighty four years old. God bless him. 244 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 5: He just turned eighty four on June thirteenth. According to 245 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 5: the highly unreliable Google. 246 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: Maybe he's listening right now, Hello Paul Moyer, and I'll 247 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: take it from here. 248 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 8: That's for you, Paul. 249 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 6: Have you ever googled someone from your past and then 250 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 6: their obituary came up and you're like, oh, my goodness, 251 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 6: they passed away. And then you realize that it was 252 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 6: somebody in Arkansas that was like sixty seven years old. 253 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 6: You're like, oh, okay, good like they didn't they didn't 254 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 6: pass away. 255 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 8: Have you ever had that happen? 256 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 5: It was just someone with the same name, Yes, exact 257 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 5: same name. 258 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 8: You're like, no, Then you're like, born in nineteen fifty one. 259 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 8: You're like, oh, okay, all right, that has happened. Yeah, 260 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 8: all right, sorry, don't be. 261 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: You guys know what happened nine years ago today. No 262 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: clue then, Well, the greatest rundown block in the history 263 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: of NBA basketball happened. Oh yeah, if that clue isn't enough, 264 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: The Calves pulled off the impossible. They completed their comeback 265 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: of three game down three games to one against the 266 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 3: world beating Golden State Warriors one game seven of the 267 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: NBA Finals ninety three to eighty nine. A lot of 268 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: people give credit to Lebron for that rundown block, but 269 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: we all know who who the big star of that 270 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: game was, Doug That's right, Kyrie Irving made the Big 271 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: Three at the right time nine years ago today. Amazing 272 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: that it's been nine years. Do you think of all 273 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 3: those Calves that won that championship, Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson 274 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 3: j R. Smith Jefferson was on that team. You're going 275 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: to see him tonight on the broadcast, Moe Williams, Emon Schumpert. 276 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: And this was the Warrior team that had not added 277 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: KD yet. In fact, it probably prompted them adding Kevin Durant. 278 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, nine years ago today, Dan, can 279 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: you believe it? What do you think about when you 280 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 3: think about. 281 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 8: Thanks Jason, I'll take it from here. I think it's 282 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 8: one of the greatest. I actually think it's the greatest. 283 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 6: NBA Finals of my lifetime that I can remember, and 284 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 6: there have been some good ones. Lakers Celtics won seven 285 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 6: games in twenty ten, but Game seven was just a 286 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 6: bricklaying fest. I think it's the greatest finals of my lifetime, 287 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 6: which spans forty eight years. And the first NBA Finals 288 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 6: that I remember was probably eighty five. I don't know 289 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 6: if it was eighty four eighty five, but it was 290 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 6: Celtics Lakers, because I remember in eighty six, I'm like, 291 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 6: what the Lakers aren't in it? 292 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 8: It's the Rockets. 293 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 6: But if you go through history and you look at 294 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 6: the one sided affairs or some that maybe were competitive 295 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 6: but didn't have as much star power sorry Spurs, Pistons, 296 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 6: but this had everything. It had drama, it had plays, 297 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 6: it had the comeback, it had the new kids on 298 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 6: the block, it had the biggest. 299 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 8: Star in the NBA. It went. 300 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 6: It was just magnificent. And then to end the way 301 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 6: that it did and then changing the course of the history. 302 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 6: I think it's the greatest NBA Finals of my lifetime. 303 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: The least discussed part of it is that, in addition 304 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: to the suspension of Draymond Green, Andrew Boge got hurt, 305 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: didn't play in five six and seven, or didn't play 306 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: beyond at the end of game five six and seven, 307 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: and just the incredibly underrated part of those early Warriors teams. 308 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: Sure he goes down that series change traumatically. It's not 309 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: an excuse for the Warriors. It's an explanation. You know, 310 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: Draymond obviously got suspended, and also I think that was 311 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: a cumulative suspend. To remember that was when he stepped 312 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: over I think was Lebron James on the ground right 313 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: or somebody stepped over him and he jumped up and 314 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: punched him in the gonads. But that was the playoff 315 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: run where multiple times he gotten called for kicking his 316 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: leg out and hitting guys in their unmentionables, and finally 317 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: he got suspended. But Andrew Boga getting hurt to me, 318 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: is the least discussed part of the Calves comeback, because 319 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: he's a great screener, a tremendous passer, played about half 320 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: the game and it changed the dynamics that series completely. 321 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 6: It's funny, Dog you say this because I'm going to 322 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 6: transition to golf here, because I think when you look 323 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 6: back at what JJ Spahn did this past Sunday, we're 324 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 6: going to look back and look at that pott on eighteen, 325 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 6: when in reality, it was his drive on seventeen that 326 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,479 Speaker 6: won him the championship, because that was the hole that 327 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 6: allowed him to have the one shot lead where all 328 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 6: he had to do was two putt the eighteenth putt. 329 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 6: The putt that he made on eighteen was also aided 330 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 6: which I don't think we'll remember this in history by 331 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 6: Victor Hovelin having the same exact putt in showing him 332 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 6: the line prior. So I think that there's parallels. And 333 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 6: since we're speaking of golf, what a magnificent year twenty 334 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 6: sixteen was for golf. Sure, maybe you're thinking Danny Willett 335 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 6: winning the Masters isn't the greatest thing in the world, 336 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 6: But then you have Dustin Johnson doing what he did 337 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 6: at Oakmont and striping his drive down the fairway at 338 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 6: eighteen and then striking his second shot just a few 339 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 6: feet from the hole, getting redemption from the previous year. 340 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 6: That was then followed up by you ready for this, 341 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 6: the Mickelson, Hendrik Stenson showdown at Troon Golf played at 342 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 6: the highest level those level. It was basically a two 343 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 6: man tournament. On the final day, Hendrik Stenson ends up prevailing. 344 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 6: Then he had an early PGA championship because the Olympics 345 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 6: made its golf debut, or golf made its debut in 346 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 6: the Olympics. You had Jimmy Walker winning at Baltus Wall 347 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 6: the Baltus Rawl in late July. And then you had 348 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 6: Justin Rose winning the gold medal at the Olympics. And 349 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 6: if that wasn't enough, the US won the Ryder Cup 350 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 6: that year at Hazel Team in Minnesota, beating the Europeans, 351 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 6: something that had not happened very often their first win. Yeah, 352 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 6: after getting well, they actually won two thousand and eight, 353 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 6: and then they went again in twenty sixteen. So big 354 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 6: year for golf. In twenty sixteen golf. There what a 355 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 6: year in sports. The Chicago Cubs broke a one hundred 356 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 6: and eight year championship drought by beating the Indians in 357 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 6: seven games. I think they were down three to one 358 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 6: in that series, weren't they Maybe okay, And now they've 359 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 6: started on their one hundred and eight year drought or 360 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 6: nine years into their one hundred and eight year drought. 361 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 6: Now remember after that, Remember after that World Series, the 362 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 6: conversation was, Oh, this team's gonna win a lot of 363 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 6: these very young superstars. 364 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: Chris Bryant, MVP. Chris Bryant right now is collecting chucks 365 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 3: from the Rockies. But he's on a milk carton box 366 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 3: and Denver, nobody knows where the hell he is. 367 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 5: And I'm right now I'm playing Sorry to catch you 368 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 5: off guard there, Jason playing little Go Cubs Go, which 369 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 5: Jonas knocks one of our hosts here. He hates this song. 370 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 5: He's a Cubs fan. It's their rallying song. All right, 371 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 5: back to your regularly scheduled programming. Should we listen to 372 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 5: the chorus real quick? 373 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 7: And I'm singing, Go Cubs Go? 374 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: What do you say? 375 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: That's nice touch? Say those nice touch, thank you, thank you. 376 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: Uh Dan mentioned that the Olympics were that year. Do 377 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 3: you guys remember anything that happened from the Olympics. That's 378 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 3: something in Rio Dajon Ryan Lochtey. Didn't he get into 379 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: some drama. 380 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the That was the convenience store bathroom 381 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 5: lockedy gate, Yes, where they said they were robbed. 382 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: Good looking guard though, right. 383 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 5: I picked the US men's national swimming team as one 384 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 5: of my Team USA is from a game recently. They 385 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 5: had quite the run there in Rio. But yes, lockeddy 386 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 5: Gate was where they went to this convenience store in 387 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 5: Brazil and they said they were robbed and that turned 388 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 5: out to not be true. Instead they had like crashed 389 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 5: a bathroom and tried to cover that up. 390 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: So twenty sixteen in college football was about Clemson finally, 391 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: not clemsonning. All right, Lamar Jackson was your Heisman Trophy winner, 392 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: but Clemson winning a national championship, finally getting back since 393 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty right again, national championship game was January nine, 394 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. But that was the story of sixteen. Was 395 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: the Clemson Tigers, not clemsoning. 396 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 6: And that was Deshaun Watson hitting Hunter Renfro in the 397 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 6: last play of the game. 398 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 5: Not the baseball player, No, the football player. 399 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 4: No. 400 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 8: It look like Jalen Hurts and Bama had at one, 401 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 8: but not the case. Right. 402 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: If you were to say, in twenty sixteen, Doug just 403 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 3: brought up Lamar Jackson, You just brought up Deshaun Watson. 404 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: In nine years, Lamar Jackson will be one of the 405 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: highest paid quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. Deshaun 406 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: Watson would be the highest paid quarterback in the history 407 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: of the NFL, but one would be describably worse in 408 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: reputation than the other. Sure, because even at the time, 409 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: I don't think Lamar was considered like a great pro 410 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 3: prospect quarterback Deshaun was. It didn't end up that way. 411 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: Well, Lamar that year they played at Clemson, he really 412 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: struggled the first half. Second half he played well, uh, 413 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: and it became a close game. But he had one 414 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: more year left to play, if I remember correctly, and 415 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: again up and down at at Louisville, finished cut poorly 416 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: in a bowl game against Mississippi State. 417 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, you're you're right. 418 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: If you would have said these are the two highest 419 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: payed quarterbacks in the NFL at at a period time 420 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: going back to last year, that would attract If you 421 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: would have said that of the guys who have been disgraced, uh, 422 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: it's the quarterback at Clemson that his own coach called 423 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: him Michael Jordan and his personal life was beyond reproach. 424 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: People would have said, no way, you're you're you're lying. 425 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's It's fascinating. What's happened to Deshaun Watson? 426 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 6: That was also your favorite title game in or at 427 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 6: least ending in college shops. Right, Chris Jenkins sixteen Bang 428 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 6: bang North Carolina. 429 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: I mean, imagine hitting and and what's lost in it 430 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: was North Carolina hit a three, unbelievable three to tie it. 431 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 8: Right, game was tied. Marcus Page was. 432 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 2: Marcus Page double clutch three? 433 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: I need Marcus p Yeah, And Marcus Page hits it 434 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: doing over, calls time out and they come down and 435 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: run a play and Chris Jenkins on a pitchback three 436 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: hits it as the game expires, And I mean, I 437 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: don't know how if you're Jay Wright you maintain that 438 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: level of composure. But the watching the ball in the 439 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: air and everything in your life changes as it goes in, 440 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: and all you say is bang. 441 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 8: That's how you know you're cool. 442 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: It's cool, like you can't that's cool. 443 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: I love how this entire segment has gone full circle. 444 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: You got the Oakmont, you got Lamar and Deshaun, You've 445 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: got Jay Wright, who would have known nine years later 446 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: he'd be turning down a Knicks team with three of 447 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 3: his former players. Amazing how the sports world works. But 448 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 3: I remember seeing a feature on Jay Wright and they 449 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: said what are you listening to nowadays? And I was 450 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 3: surprised by his answer. 451 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 2: It was this. 452 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 3: This is Lose Yourself from Justin Bieber at top the 453 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: Billboard charts for twenty sixteen off the album Purpose. Now, 454 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 3: for those music enthusiasts, you'd probably think Justin Bieber was 455 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 3: just a teeny bopper who appealed to one audience teenage girls. No, no, no, 456 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 3: I would say Purpose was when he made the turn. 457 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: Purpose was the album where he became a reputable, respected artist. 458 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 3: And he basically he went from this album to becoming 459 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 3: like very respected in the hip hop community where he 460 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 3: would do great features and he would become like a 461 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 3: hip hop artist for the next nine years. Justin Bieber 462 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 3: maybe this was the start of his third act, as 463 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 3: I like to say, in his career. 464 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: Movies. 465 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, right, you guys know me, the accountant, 466 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: the accountant. It was a big movie that year, So 467 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: too is Rogue one a Star Wars story. 468 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 2: I liked Rogue one. 469 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: I liked those little tweeters that started ended, and there 470 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: wasn't any any carryover from them. 471 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 3: I just watched Rogue one because we finished the second 472 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 3: season of and Or Which buttons up right to Rogue one. 473 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 2: And what I thought should have won best movie that year. 474 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: Is, without any question, the best of the Marvel or 475 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: DC Comics movies. 476 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 2: It's Deadpool. 477 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: And my argument behind Deadpool winning Movie of the Year was, 478 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: isn't it supposed to be the thing you like watching 479 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: the most? 480 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 2: Right? 481 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: It was like Handmaid's Tale, Like, come on, dude, Handmaid's 482 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: Tale or Deadpool. 483 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: Deadpool was hysterical. 484 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: It was a different way you know what they used meta, Right, 485 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: it's a different way of doing a superhero movie, and 486 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: they made one of other superhero movies. 487 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: I thought it was hysterical. Well, first of all, obviously, yeah. 488 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 3: I think it's racist to say that any Marvel movie 489 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 3: other than Black Panther wasn't the greatest of all time. 490 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 3: But Deadpool reaches a different audioce Right, that was the 491 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 3: first R rated Marvel movie. 492 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: Did not know that? 493 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: Wow? 494 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: Wow? Wow? 495 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: And that is don't call it a throwback Thursday. 496 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 8: Don't call it a throwback. 497 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 498 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 4: the nation yet. Catch all of our shows at foxsports 499 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 4: radio dot Com and within the iHeartRadio app. 500 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: It's a Doug Gottlab show Fox Sports Radio. So shed 501 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: Roth Sanders got a speeding ticket going one on one. 502 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, as somebody who you know, I've 503 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: gotten pulled over plenty matter of fact, got pulled over yesterday, 504 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: two days ago, two days ago, and it was sixty 505 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: eight to fifty five, which. 506 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. 507 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: The police officer was in the right hand lane. I 508 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: came up into it went from sixty five to fifty 509 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: five and she was going like crazy slow, but got 510 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: off with a warning. And I guess my thing is 511 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: this in and of itself, a speeding ticket not a 512 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: great look. We've all had them, try to avoid multiple 513 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: speeding tickets. Right, Every speeding ticket is different. It's like 514 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: Peyton Annle likes to say that every interception is a 515 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: story unto itself. Right, you ever heard that Peyton has 516 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: said that. But what I find to be fascinating fascinating 517 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: is that Shador Sanders going over one hundred. No one 518 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: is going. 519 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: To argue the validity of that ticket. 520 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: From this point right, like you're going and this depends 521 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: like if you're in southern California. I got pulled over 522 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: once on the fifty five Freeway. The fifty five Freeway 523 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: sort of by sex Orange County. Right, it starts and 524 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: it used to be actually a road, but starts on 525 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: Newport Beach Boulevard and then goes into being the fifty 526 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: five Freeway and goes all the way up to the 527 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: ninety one, which is like that takes you into the 528 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: Inland Empire and so on. The north side or west 529 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: side of the fifty five Freeway is basically it goes 530 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: like Central Orange County to North Orange County. On the 531 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: south side, it's the southern part of Central Orange County 532 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: in the South County right bisection. I gotta be honest, 533 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: I got pulled over. This is probably like ten years ago, 534 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: and the cop will be over and he's like, do 535 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: you know if esh you're going? I was like, I don't. 536 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody get pulled over on this road. 537 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: And though eighty two sounds really fast, it's like, what 538 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: allowed you, outside of hitting your quota to single me out, 539 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: to point me out for going eighty two, because everybody's 540 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,959 Speaker 1: going eighty two or eighty five, right, But if I 541 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: say that with a very reasonable sense of honestly, eighty 542 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: five and below is whatever ninety is Your humming is 543 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: not arguing once you go over one hundred, you have 544 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: no defenders. 545 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: There just isn't. There's no defenders over. 546 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: Hum now saying that, And of course zach Eaty got up. 547 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: Was it a one oh one or one hundred and 548 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: five in a fifty five? 549 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,239 Speaker 2: Right? 550 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: Again, that's on some sort of highway. He's going way 551 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: too fast again, same thing, But zach Eady, there's no 552 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: history of what people would consider arrogance or entitlement. And 553 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: so I I understand if you're sitting there going like, hey, 554 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: why would you say Shador Sanders is entitled and acting 555 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: entitled by going one hundred miles an hour when you 556 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that about Zachiaty. Well, that's because I have 557 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: two years of high major college football evidence where he's 558 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: showing off his bling, he's trash talking and talking down 559 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: to people who come from lesser means or lesser statue 560 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: or what he's seen his lesser programs or lesser families, 561 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: the way he handled himself, by all accounts, getting ready 562 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: for the NFL Draft. Like if I said, like Shdro 563 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: Sanders went one hundred and one driving, and you know 564 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: he's driving something that is very comfortable, going one oh one, 565 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: Bentley range whatever. I don't even need to look at 566 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: what card is. And all of us have some sort 567 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: of pr reputation, right, Like I'll give you an example. 568 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: Dan works a lot, he works on Sunday, he works 569 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: in the show. If Dan played hooky, Dan's like I'm 570 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: going and he said I'm sick. And then somebody who's 571 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: playing golf, like, hey, I saw Dan Meyer playing eighteen, 572 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: He'd be like, yeah, that makes sense, right, because Dan 573 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: has a reputation of being a golf guy, loves golf. 574 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: Right Shador Sanders getting pulled over for going one hundred 575 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: and one, he has a reputation surprises. Nobody feeds into 576 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: the idea of entitlement fair unfair. You have to know 577 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: that's what human nature does. Doesn't mean I cut him, 578 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: but definitely points to that no matter what he wants 579 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: to say in front of the camera, and many things 580 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: in front of the camera have not been contrite. That 581 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: feels like more of an act. This feels more like 582 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: whose store is? It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on 583 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, and uh, who better to catch up with? 584 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: During the dog Days as we got a bunch of 585 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,959 Speaker 1: baseball to discuss. Then three time World Series champion, one 586 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: of the clutchest of clutch pitchers in our lifetime, Kurt 587 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: Shilling and Kurt by the Way, has a new podcast 588 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: on YouTube, appropriately called The Complete Game with Kurt Shilling. 589 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: It drops Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday nights. Hey, I want 590 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: to ask you, Kurt real quick, as we get started 591 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: pitching durability, right, I think. 592 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 2: The biggest, biggest frustration. 593 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: In any baseball fan's mind is like, God, these guys, 594 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: they're constantly getting hurt, and no matter how much you pay, 595 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: or how young the arms are or old the arms are, 596 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: it feels like these guys are more fragile. 597 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 2: Again. 598 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: It feels like you know the facts, we know the feelings. Okay, 599 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: it feels like they're more fragile than ever. What's the 600 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: reality to pitching durability. 601 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 4: It's broken. Pitching is broken sport wide, not just at 602 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 4: the base at the major league level, but it's broken 603 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 4: all the way down to the little league. There's been 604 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 4: a transformation in the last twenty years. The money's gotten insane, 605 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 4: while pitchers are hurt more often and throwing less than 606 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 4: they ever have. And it's a direct result of this 607 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 4: massive love of velocity that has completely changed pitching in 608 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 4: the game. And it's broken, it really is. I've done 609 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 4: a lot of work over the last couple of months 610 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 4: on my show going over the draft, this coming draft 611 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 4: and the way, and I'm using air quotes. The experts 612 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 4: have ranked the top pitching prospects. I've studied video of 613 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 4: all them, and the ANALOGI us is twenty years ago, 614 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 4: you probably could have scouted twenty pitchers and seen nineteen 615 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 4: different deliveries. Today you scout twenty pitchers. You see at 616 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 4: guys in the same exact way. And it's these velocity 617 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 4: schools that you know, come here, pay this large exorbitant 618 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 4: money and we'll show you how to throw harder. Not 619 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 4: an ounce of pitching is done there, and you're seeing 620 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 4: it the bague global. It's it's like I said, it's 621 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 4: sport wide. It's broken and needs a complete reset. Uh. 622 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 4: And you know, I don't see anybody doing that. And 623 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 4: I'll give you a quick one if if, if somebody's 624 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 4: actually interested in how I realized this. There's a young 625 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 4: man named Chase Dollander who pitches for the Rockies if 626 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 4: you go back on YouTube and look at Chase Doalder 627 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 4: pitching at Georgia and junior College and then at Tennessee 628 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 4: and then at Colorado in the big leagues, he is 629 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 4: after four years, he is throwing the ball the same 630 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 4: exact way he did in junior college, which is an 631 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 4: absolute crime. And uh, that's sport wide. And these guys 632 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 4: are all ranked by how hard they throw a period. 633 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 4: And that's just it, just it's broken. It's horribly broken. 634 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the 635 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: voice of the Big Show. Kurt Schilling joining us on 636 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: the show. Speaking of speaking of pitching, right, give me 637 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: your assessment. He's now had two Tommy Johns. We've just 638 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: seen him on the mound of showani as a picture, 639 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: what's your email? 640 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 4: Devastating. I mean, he's a top rotation. Here's the thing 641 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 4: that and the reason I think it bothers the saber nutritions. 642 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 4: They can't quantify certain things, and when they can't quantify things, 643 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 4: they discard them. Some guys bodies are just not built 644 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 4: to withstand the rigors of throwing the baseball, which is 645 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 4: a very unnatural thing. I put no farther than Jacob 646 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 4: de Gram, who is to me, had he stayed healthy, 647 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 4: would have been maybe the best picture in the history 648 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 4: of the game. He was Greg Maddix at ninety eight 649 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 4: miles an hour with wipeout off speed stuff. I don't know, 650 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 4: And it gets into the science, but the bottom line is, 651 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 4: and there's a little medical lesson here. So you know, 652 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 4: our body's made up of collagen, which is connective tissue. 653 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 4: Some people's collagen it's just stronger than others. And that's 654 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 4: why guys who break their ank goal as opposed to 655 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 4: another guy on the same accident twist his ankle. Same 656 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 4: thing with pitching and no different. And you're watching guys 657 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 4: who are max effort every pitch and the body can't 658 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 4: do that. The body cannot do that. And those are 659 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 4: the guys who and that's what I said. You saw 660 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 4: a couple more guys go on the DL today. It's 661 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 4: an everyday thing now. 662 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's basically like, yeah, it's like, well, they're throwing 663 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: ninety four mile an hour cutters, what like, there's a 664 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: reason that you can't throw it? 665 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 2: Can you do it? 666 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 8: Yeah? 667 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 2: But can your arms survive it? 668 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: No? 669 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 4: Here's the thing, here's the thing. First off, but people 670 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 4: identifying pitches on TV don't know what the hell they're 671 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 4: talking about, because no picture in the game has six pitches. 672 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 4: Nobody doesn't. It doesn't work that way. And most of 673 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 4: these guys are out there throwing three or four pitches 674 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 4: that move different ways, and they're ascribing different names to 675 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 4: all them. That's not how it works. Number one and 676 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 4: number two. If you know the ANALOGI I U is 677 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 4: if you take a very strong, thick piece of chain, right, 678 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 4: let's just say it has you have ten links in 679 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 4: a chain, and I swing it in a circle, and 680 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 4: I have momentum, right, the chain is fine, there's no 681 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 4: you know, I'm not causing stress at any of the connections. 682 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 4: If I take that same chain link and I snap 683 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 4: it like a whip, then you're stressing every connection to 684 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 4: the chain. Right. These guys are snapping the whip every 685 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,240 Speaker 4: single pitch and you can't do it. It's just not possible. 686 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 2: Would you ever consider running a team? 687 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 4: I would love to. I'm actually I'm very interested in 688 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 4: getting back in the game. Now. That's kind of a 689 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 4: recent thing, but I would love to walk in and 690 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 4: sit down with a team and redefine pitching for an 691 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 4: organization from scouting to drafting to developing. Johnny Podres, who 692 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 4: I think was the best pitching coach I ever ever 693 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 4: was around. You used to have a saying that I believe, 694 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 4: I believe, Will Hartily, you give me an arm, I'll 695 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 4: make you an All star because it's not hard to teach. 696 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 4: It just takes a different mindset. And I don't see it. Uh, 697 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 4: and it's it's gone. I mean, you have guys in 698 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 4: the big leagues who are coaching who've never pitched, who've 699 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 4: never the guys that I don't know, is it drive 700 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 4: line or these these velocity clinics are getting hired by 701 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 4: teams to talk to a pitcher. What is it? What 702 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 4: are they going to tell me about pitching in the 703 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 4: seventh inning of a game in October in the playoffs, 704 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 4: with the time run on third base? What are those 705 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 4: people going to give me? Brow harder? Because that's the answer, 706 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 4: And you know it's it's the two things directly correlate. 707 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 4: The more effort you put into a pitch, the less 708 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 4: command you have of the ball in the strike zone. Well, 709 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 4: there's a way to teach these guys. Here's the here's 710 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 4: an example. I used to talk about going to the well, 711 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 4: and it's going to the well for me was max effort. Right. 712 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 4: I could go to the well three times in a game. 713 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 4: After the third time, I was done. But if I 714 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 4: didn't have to go to the well till the fifth 715 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 4: or sixth or seventh inning, then I was okay. And 716 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 4: going to the well is like run around third one out, 717 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 4: I need a strikeout. Every pitch is going to be 718 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 4: max effort. Right now, when I'm maxed effort, I'm going 719 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 4: from ninety three to ninety four to ninety seven, ninety eight. 720 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 4: These guys are maxed. These guys are going to the 721 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 4: well every pitch number one and number two. They're doing 722 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 4: it in such a way that they go from ninety 723 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 4: six to ninety seven. That's not it. You know. Greg 724 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 4: Matick had a great line a while back. He said, 725 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 4: when I see two cars on the freeway, one's driving 726 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 4: ninety and the other's driving ninety one, can you tell 727 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 4: the difference? No, But when one's doing ninety and one's 728 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,720 Speaker 4: doing ninety five, you can. These guys are quote unquote 729 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 4: going to the well for and losing command, by the way, 730 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 4: and not getting any velocity every single pitch. It's just 731 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 4: not sustainable. 732 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But what would limit you from getting back 733 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: into the game would be that you've been out of 734 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: the game. 735 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 2: How would you go about it? 736 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 4: I don't Being out of the game, I think has 737 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 4: given me a bird's eye view of things, and I 738 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 4: think that there's a tunnel vision problems sometimes where you know, 739 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 4: you see baseball as an athletics is a game of 740 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,439 Speaker 4: copycat right, Moneyball was this, Oh my god, you guys 741 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 4: are crazy, and now it's everywhere. I think that there 742 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 4: has to be an approach to pitching from the outside 743 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 4: looking in, like my perspective, to reset the clock, because 744 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 4: it does need to be reset. 745 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: Kurt Shillings, our guest here on the Doug Ottlieb Show 746 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, I did want your thoughts on 747 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,720 Speaker 1: the WNBA. We've talked about it a ton. Oh my god, 748 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,919 Speaker 1: and it's really interesting here you have a young woman 749 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: in Caitlin Clark who's legitimately jitizing she's but there have 750 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: been other great players come to the WNBA. What there 751 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: hasn't been is the type of great players that brings 752 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: mainstream media, that brings moms and their daughters to the games, 753 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: families to the games that has a legitimate following. 754 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,720 Speaker 2: For a myriad of reasons. 755 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: You know, four years at the same school, success in college, 756 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 1: being from the Midwest, girl next door, et cetera. I 757 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: just want your your thoughts. I'm not going to change anyway. 758 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: When you see Caitlin Clark and what's going on in 759 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: the WNBA. 760 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 4: Well, so, first of all, the uncomfortable conversation has to 761 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 4: be had, right, You've seen a ton of great NBA 762 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 4: player WNBA players, not many have been white, and that 763 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 4: that is absolutely part of this. I mean, Britney Griner 764 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 4: basically said as much, right, which is uncomfortable and stupid. 765 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 4: It's so stupid. Nobody. I can't think of any baseball 766 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 4: player I was ever a fan of where the color 767 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 4: of their skin had anything to do with my rooting 768 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 4: for them. I can't think of any athlete from you know, 769 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 4: and people I'll date myself, but people will talk about 770 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 4: the fact that you know, I talk about Barry Bonds 771 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 4: and Mark maguire very differently, and people say, well, one 772 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 4: guy's black or one guy's white. I said, no, one 773 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 4: guy was a good guy and one guy wasn't. Period. 774 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,959 Speaker 4: I don't care about the other stuff. And sports fans 775 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 4: don't either. But the fact of the matter is, I've 776 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 4: never seen a sport try to commit suicide so adamantly 777 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 4: on a daily basis. And you know, if you listen 778 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 4: to the Fever coach the other night, she said the 779 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 4: thing that everybody's thinking, the rest suck. They have to 780 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 4: get better because everybody else is getting better and the 781 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 4: eyes are turning to the game. I was thinking about 782 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 4: this last night. Can you imagine what would happen to 783 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 4: the NBA she walked away today? Can you fathom what 784 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 4: would happen to that sport? And those women are literally 785 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,720 Speaker 4: punching the gift horse in the mouth literally and Pokinger 786 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 4: in the eye. She is. There have been superstars before, 787 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 4: but there's never been I don't. I mean, see Steph 788 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 4: Curry with twenty feet more range. It's unbelievable and it's 789 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 4: fun to watch. And I know, God bless Sophie Cunningham 790 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 4: because she's now going to be one of the most 791 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 4: famous WNBA players that ever lived, and rightly so. But 792 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 4: I don't understand it right think about this, Doug. In 793 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 4: our lives, we watched sports change the rules for players. 794 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 4: Michael Jordan right, Lebron James. The WNBA is doing the 795 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,240 Speaker 4: exact opposite of all of those things. They're not trying 796 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 4: to protect the quarterback rule in the NFL. The WNBA 797 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 4: is like saying, Okay, beat the hell out of her, 798 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 4: but we're going to call all the other fouls and 799 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 4: it makes. 800 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: No sense she'll The only pushback I would have is 801 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: there is actually is a lot of Michael Jordan too. 802 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: It remember the Pistons famously, Jordan rules knocked him on 803 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,799 Speaker 1: his ass until ultimately they beat him, and then they 804 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: end up going on to three straight titles and then six. 805 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 2: Ultimately that happened. 806 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 4: That happened under the purview of the rest who called 807 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 4: the fouls. I got no right because you and I 808 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,240 Speaker 4: are you and I are watching the sport going okay, 809 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,359 Speaker 4: she should be ejected, she should be tech, and none 810 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 4: of that's happening in many cases. It's just it's almost like, 811 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 4: you know, there's a ton of people who say sports 812 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 4: are rigged, and you can point to a million things 813 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 4: and say no, they're not. And then there are certain 814 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 4: things that happen, such as the team down thirteen kicking 815 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 4: a fifty yard field goal with two seconds left, Like 816 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 4: there are things that happen where you look at it 817 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 4: and go, wait a minute, maybe it is rigged and 818 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 4: this is one of those things. 819 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,399 Speaker 2: Kurt, we got to do this again, really really soon. 820 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 1: Check out brother check out Kurt podcast. It's called The 821 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 1: Complete Game three days a week on YouTube. Download it, 822 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,280 Speaker 1: watch it. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. You know, kurtch 823 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 1: never shot with his opinions. Kurt Shilling, thanks so much 824 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: for joining us on Fox Sports Tradio. Bake Care big Boy, 825 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: all right, I appreciate it. 826 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:03,799 Speaker 2: Kurt. 827 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: You can stream this show and all of our Fox 828 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: Sports Radio shows live twenty four to seven the new 829 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: and improved iHeartRadio app. Just search Fox Sports Radio in 830 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 1: the app to stream us live. 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