WEBVTT - Truth and Lies

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard a lot of different theories about my biological father.

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<v Speaker 1>I have heard that he was a reporter. I heard

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<v Speaker 1>that he was somebody that worked with her at the

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<v Speaker 1>post office. I heard that it was another inmate's husband.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard that it was just some guy off the street.

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<v Speaker 1>She knew she was going to get pregnant, and she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get pregnant, and just picked up the first

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<v Speaker 1>guy she saw, So you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty three, Diane Downs shot her three children,

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<v Speaker 2>killing her daughter Cheryl and forever altering the lives of

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<v Speaker 2>not only her two surviving children, but the other people

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<v Speaker 2>in her life. Before her imprisonment, she purposely set out

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<v Speaker 2>to give birth to another child, who would incidentally become

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<v Speaker 2>another life permanently changed by Diane's actions. There's a tired

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<v Speaker 2>old idiom that people often use when confronting the things

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<v Speaker 2>they've buried and hidden. The truth will set you free.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact is, sometimes the truth is its own prison,

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<v Speaker 2>like when the truth of who your father is becomes

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<v Speaker 2>a dark shadow that follows you and suffocates you until

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<v Speaker 2>you finally are forced to confront it. When eleven year

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<v Speaker 2>old Becky found out her biological mother was Diane Downs.

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<v Speaker 2>It disrupted her identity and changed the course of her

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<v Speaker 2>behavior and her life. Now she's seeking the other half

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<v Speaker 2>of that puzzle, the identity of her biological father, someone

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<v Speaker 2>who may or may not even know she exists. Will

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<v Speaker 2>that truth help bring balance to the way of her

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<v Speaker 2>own truth or will it only further add to the

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<v Speaker 2>chaos of her self image. Without knowing for sure the

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<v Speaker 2>identity of Becky's father, one has to wonder if he

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<v Speaker 2>himself is even aware that Becky is his.

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<v Speaker 3>It crosses in my mind sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe he just doesn't want to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>I could be that child, or that he could be

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<v Speaker 1>that father, because I've been public now for ten years

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<v Speaker 1>with my story, and if my biological father wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>find me, he would have the only things I can

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<v Speaker 1>come up with. Or he doesn't know he's my biological father,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to be my biological father, or is deceased.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you are intimate with somebody in nine

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<v Speaker 1>months later there's a baby, I would question that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was very little physical description of the father given,

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<v Speaker 2>and what's there didn't help narrow down the possibilities.

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<v Speaker 1>My adopted mom, she told me that on my adoption

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<v Speaker 1>paperwork that he was listed as being like six', two blonde,

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<v Speaker 1>hair blue. Eyes that's ALL i. KNOW i think that

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<v Speaker 1>He's german Or, danish and that's. IT i don't know anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Else there's a certain piece To becky's current. Situation she's

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<v Speaker 2>lived her entire life up to this point not knowing

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<v Speaker 2>the identity of her biological, father and as far as she,

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<v Speaker 2>knows he could be, anyone someone, good someone, interesting someone,

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<v Speaker 2>loving someone ready to embrace his long lost daughter with open.

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<v Speaker 2>Arms he could fit any Temple becky wants or needs him.

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<v Speaker 1>TO i can decide who he, is AND i, can you,

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<v Speaker 1>know think that he's an amazing. Person and even if he's,

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<v Speaker 1>not as long as he's a decent human, Being i'd be.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy But i'm scared to go on this journey because

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<v Speaker 1>what if he is, Deceased what if he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>me in his. Life it's, very very scary to open this.

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<v Speaker 1>Door BUT i am very lucky to have the parents

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<v Speaker 1>THAT i do.

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<v Speaker 2>Have it's not Just becky's biological, father who isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>part of her, life but her two half, Siblings christy And,

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<v Speaker 2>danny survivors Of diane's attack also live their own private

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<v Speaker 2>lives independent of any real relationship With.

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<v Speaker 1>BECKY i did reach out to them back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and. SIX i Found christy. Online we had a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a conversation. Going we spoke every couple of.

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<v Speaker 1>Days she told me a little bit about. HERSELF i

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<v Speaker 1>told her about, myself and one DAY i got a

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<v Speaker 1>message that or And danny don't want anything to do with,

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<v Speaker 1>me that so much time would, pass they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get to know me more.

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<v Speaker 2>Rejection christy And danny knew About, becky that they were,

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<v Speaker 2>related that they shared the similar, link and still wanted

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with.

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<v Speaker 1>Her and it's understandable what they went. THROUGH i could

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<v Speaker 1>never even, imagine and maybe being in my life or

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<v Speaker 1>meeting me would bring up some of that for.

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<v Speaker 4>Them i'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure becky also reached out To diane's.

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<v Speaker 1>Father i've spoken with Diane downs's, Father.

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<v Speaker 4>Wes he was a sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Man he wanted to tell me a lot of the family,

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<v Speaker 1>history but he also wanted to tell me About diane

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<v Speaker 1>and about her case and how she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Innocent becky didn't set out with the intention of speaking

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<v Speaker 2>To diane's father about the, crime but to some extent

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<v Speaker 2>it was.

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<v Speaker 1>UNAVOIDABLE i asked Both diane and her father when we

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<v Speaker 1>first spoke all those years, ago THAT i didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear about her guilt or her. INNOCENCE i just

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear about. HER i just want to know

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<v Speaker 1>about the. FAMILY i just want to know about my biological.

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<v Speaker 1>FATHER i wanted to leave the case out of it

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<v Speaker 1>BECAUSE i knew all they were going to do is

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<v Speaker 1>try and convince me that she's. INNOCENT i just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to know them that side of my.

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<v Speaker 3>Family is there a part of you that questions whether she's?

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<v Speaker 1>Innocent diane's innocence has been a question for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people for a long. TIME i don't believe she's, innocent,

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<v Speaker 1>no BUT i know that people.

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<v Speaker 2>Do there are some, people Like diane, herself who champion

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<v Speaker 2>her innocence to this. Day her, Brother James, frederickson.

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<v Speaker 3>Is one of.

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<v Speaker 2>Them james was one of the only family members willing

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<v Speaker 2>to talk To becky and me About diane and their family.

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<v Speaker 2>History he believes that part of understanding Who diane was

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<v Speaker 2>is understanding her relationship with her ex, Husband, steve who

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<v Speaker 2>she blames for much of what she. Became she Sent

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<v Speaker 2>james a letter detailing her marriage and relationships leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to the, shooting which is oddly written mostly in third.

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<v Speaker 2>Person james shares a bit of that.

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<v Speaker 5>Here Bass steve came into our lives in nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 5>One we'd Moved chandler to a farm And steve was

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<v Speaker 5>a farm hand for the. Neighbors my mom and dad

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<v Speaker 5>wanted my sister to date other, boys but you, know

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<v Speaker 5>she was head over heels For, steve and Obviously steve

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<v Speaker 5>was head over heels for. Her judge married them On november,

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<v Speaker 5>thirteenth nineteen seventy, three with Only Greg roach and the

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<v Speaker 5>judge's secretary as, witnesses Because diane had no friends of

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<v Speaker 5>her own at that. Time she said that she got

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<v Speaker 5>married and whatever the date was. Right but the reality

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<v Speaker 5>is that you know she got married because my dad

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<v Speaker 5>went over to their house where they were out of the,

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<v Speaker 5>apartment and, said you will marry my. Daughter we were

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<v Speaker 5>At baptist's, house you know WHAT i. Mean it's like

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<v Speaker 5>you didn't want things to be bad or look, bad

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<v Speaker 5>and so you know you will marry my. Daughter well

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<v Speaker 5>it happened fast because my dad was, there you, know

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<v Speaker 5>And it's Like i'm going to use the term it

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<v Speaker 5>was a shotgun, wedding you know WHAT i. Mean steve

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<v Speaker 5>didn't want problems with my. Dad my dad was really

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<v Speaker 5>he didn't physically Scarre steve that he intimidated.

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<v Speaker 2>Him there is a theory in domestic violence cases known

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<v Speaker 2>as a cycle of, abuse which often begins with rising

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<v Speaker 2>tension and the need to placate the. Abuser according To,

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<v Speaker 2>Diane steve began this cycle early into his And diane's.

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<v Speaker 5>Relationship steve controlled everyone she talked, to and he didn't

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<v Speaker 5>let her talk to anyone she was. Working then when they,

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<v Speaker 5>married she was talking to other guys at, lunchtime and

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<v Speaker 5>so he made her. Quit he didn't permit a phone

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<v Speaker 5>in her. Apartment the grocery store was a three minute

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<v Speaker 5>walk from where they lived at one Hundred West Ray,

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<v Speaker 5>road but she wasn't even permitted to go shopping without.

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<v Speaker 5>Him my sister was barely eighteen and in her own

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<v Speaker 5>mind going on, twelve and had never given her new.

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<v Speaker 5>Husband caused suspector of, infidelity but he was just sick

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<v Speaker 5>with suspicion and.

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<v Speaker 2>Jealousy soon after they, Married steve was openly unfaithful To.

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<v Speaker 5>Diane two weeks after their, Marriage steve came home from

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<v Speaker 5>work at the Entire company where he worked In mesa

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<v Speaker 5>and announced he was going out With janet the. Receptionists

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<v Speaker 5>diane was a bit confused by that they were married after.

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<v Speaker 5>All steve blew up and he, said, HEY i Promised

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<v Speaker 5>janet they'd go. Out the marriage vows came so quickly

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<v Speaker 5>he forgot to call off their. Date he Said diane

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<v Speaker 5>just needed to iron his shirt and not make things

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<v Speaker 5>harder for. Him one month, Later steve went out with

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<v Speaker 5>his buddies For New. Year diane was told to wait

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<v Speaker 5>at home until eleven forty. Five she, said got tired

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<v Speaker 5>of waiting and she walked to his friend's. House she

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<v Speaker 5>did what she was, told But steve wasn't. There then

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<v Speaker 5>they Told diane she'd have to wait in the line Behind.

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<v Speaker 5>Debbie So steve was at the party with other.

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<v Speaker 2>Women diane was pregnant With, christy her oldest, daughter and

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<v Speaker 2>Allegedly steve saw this as an inconvenience and didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with.

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<v Speaker 5>Her two months, Later diane got. Pregnant she had morning

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<v Speaker 5>sickness like most women, do but instead Of steve's hanging

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<v Speaker 5>around and supporting. Her steve took her to his parents'

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<v Speaker 5>home In gilbert because he wasn't ready to live with

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<v Speaker 5>the sick. Wife While diane was at his parents', House

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<v Speaker 5>steve moved in With. Jackie When jackie's, Husband dale returned From,

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<v Speaker 5>California steve Drew dale from. Exile these are just the

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<v Speaker 5>little parts about the, Infidelity so then we start talking

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<v Speaker 5>about the abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Man according To, Diane steve wasn't only controlling and, unfaithful

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<v Speaker 2>but his abuse crossed the threshold into. Physical in the,

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<v Speaker 2>Meantime diane had a second, Child, danny and another, Daughter.

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<v Speaker 5>Cheryl in nineteen eighty, Two diane was talking on the.

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<v Speaker 5>Phone steve came. HOME i heard talking on the. Phone

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<v Speaker 5>he thought she was talking to a man on the,

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<v Speaker 5>phone so he picked up the phone and slammed it.

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<v Speaker 5>Down they argued and he slapped and punched, her and

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<v Speaker 5>the phone rang And diane obviously answered, it and it

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<v Speaker 5>was Actually holly on the phone saying That karen was

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<v Speaker 5>Afraid steve was hitting. Her diane looked At steve and

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<v Speaker 5>said To, holly yes he. Is he's still. Here so

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<v Speaker 5>he grabbed the phone and he Hit diane with. It

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<v Speaker 5>she rested the phone From, hungue hung it up and engaged.

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<v Speaker 2>Him diane And steve were divorced at this, point but

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<v Speaker 2>he still lived with her and the. Kids, eventually the

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<v Speaker 2>abuse reached a breaking point and she started to fight.

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<v Speaker 2>BACK a judge issued a restraining, order But steve didn't stay.

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<v Speaker 2>Away in the, Meantime diane had bought a gun in

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<v Speaker 2>an effort to protect, herself and then one Day steve

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<v Speaker 2>had her cornered in a bathroom.

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<v Speaker 5>When he was kicking the door. Open she fired a

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<v Speaker 5>warning shot into the. Floor the next, week he moved

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<v Speaker 5>his furniture out of her home as a stealthy as

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<v Speaker 5>he moved. In that Was september, fourteenth nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Two In october of that, Year diane's four month old

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<v Speaker 2>mobile home burned, down and she sent her kids to

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<v Speaker 2>live With steve so they wouldn't be. Homeless she eventually

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<v Speaker 2>found another place to, live But steve wouldn't allow her.

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<v Speaker 3>To have the children.

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<v Speaker 2>Back during this, Time diane saw affection from other.

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<v Speaker 5>Men yeah she was Seeing nick that.

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<v Speaker 2>Time nick Is Robert, knickerbacker a married man who supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like. Children the fact that some believe may have

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<v Speaker 2>later played Into diane's motivation for the.

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<v Speaker 5>Shooting married men showed her the most affection because married

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<v Speaker 5>men were safe to, her because married men didn't want

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<v Speaker 5>to leave their. Wives they just wanted some. Affection and

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<v Speaker 5>really that's All diane ever really. Wanted she was still

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<v Speaker 5>that twelve year old little girl striving for that, affection

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<v Speaker 5>and she went out and she got that affection from married.

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<v Speaker 2>Men diane's attention from other men is what led to

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<v Speaker 2>her earlier divorce From. Steve despite his own, unfaithfulness he

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<v Speaker 2>believed she'd actually become.

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<v Speaker 3>Pregnant With danny due to an.

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<v Speaker 2>Affair he ended their marriage believing the pregnancy shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>been possible due to. Vasectomy, diane it, seemed enjoyed being.

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<v Speaker 2>Pregnant she had a fourth child Before, becky but this

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<v Speaker 2>time as a.

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<v Speaker 5>Surrogate so, yeah it was just basically she went through

0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.520
<v Speaker 5>the surrogacy, program delivered a, baby gave it to a.

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<v Speaker 5>Family she got ten thousand dollars for, that and that

0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:15.760
<v Speaker 5>helped her in her. Life.

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<v Speaker 2>Right When diane became pregnant With, Becky james dismissed it

0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.040
<v Speaker 2>as if it were almost like another surrogacy AND i.

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<v Speaker 5>Wasn't going to have another niece and. NEPHEW i was

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<v Speaker 5>basically having another surrogate. CHILD i wasn't attached to. IT

0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.679
<v Speaker 5>i wasn't bonded with. IT i wasn't any of.

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<v Speaker 2>That After diane's trial And becky's, Birth james didn't give

0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:40.200
<v Speaker 2>the baby much.

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<v Speaker 5>Thought, yeah they took her away AND i knew that she,

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<v Speaker 5>existed BUT i didn't know anything about.

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<v Speaker 2>Her and that was that out of, sight out of.

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<v Speaker 2>Mind and then one Day becky appeared on twenty. Twenty

0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.600
<v Speaker 2>james first impression was not a great.

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<v Speaker 6>One what did you think when you first saw her

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<v Speaker 6>on a news?

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<v Speaker 5>Program honesty's. SURE i didn't understand why she was making

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<v Speaker 5>a fuss out of something if she had two perfectly,

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<v Speaker 5>wonderful loving. PARENTS i don't remember what exactly she. Said

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<v Speaker 5>she basically said that she's going to make sure That

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<v Speaker 5>diane doesn't gain. PAROLE i didn't like her at.

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<v Speaker 2>All james had made an earlier attempt to Contact becky

0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.600
<v Speaker 2>and tried to convert her to his version of the.

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<v Speaker 5>TRUTH i reached out to her on social media and we,

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<v Speaker 5>talked AND i tried talking to her about WHAT i

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<v Speaker 5>know is truth and the story that she knows is

0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.360
<v Speaker 5>the public, story The Anne rules. Story she really wasn't

0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:42.520
<v Speaker 5>willing to. Listen did that frustrate? You it's always, Frustrating,

0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:43.800
<v Speaker 5>yeah every single.

0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Time watching twenty, Twenty james grew increasingly frustrated With Anne,

0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.520
<v Speaker 2>ruhle author of the Book becky first discovered in the

0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:52.400
<v Speaker 2>bookstore as.

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<v Speaker 3>An eleven year. Old he believed that she had.

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<v Speaker 2>Many things About diane's story and the crime, wrong and

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<v Speaker 2>That becky's view of her biological mother's guilt had been

0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.160
<v Speaker 2>colored by that. Book he also doesn't believe That anne

0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.800
<v Speaker 2>knew the identity Of becky's, father despite her.

0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:11.160
<v Speaker 5>Claims so people that are, adopted some of them have

0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.400
<v Speaker 5>a desire to find out who they come, from whether

0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:19.000
<v Speaker 5>it's Be diane the murderer Or diane the. Victim she

0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.240
<v Speaker 5>still knows that she comes From, diane and she doesn't

0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:26.600
<v Speaker 5>know who her father, is and unfortunately there's only two

0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.560
<v Speaker 5>people that. Do the author didn't know who the father

0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:34.560
<v Speaker 5>was because she wasn't there during conception and has never

0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.160
<v Speaker 5>been told by my sister who the person. Is the

0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.200
<v Speaker 5>only people that know are the mother and the father Of.

0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.600
<v Speaker 5>Becky it was some guy in her, rout you know

0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.160
<v Speaker 5>WHAT i? Mean it wasn't even a Cowork it was

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<v Speaker 5>just some guy on her, route you. KNOW i, MEAN

0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:55.080
<v Speaker 5>i DON'T i don't have any idea who it.

0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.880
<v Speaker 3>Is he, knows or maybe he, DOESN'T.

0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.200
<v Speaker 5>I would, Imagine SO i don't. Know, Yeah diane's never told,

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<v Speaker 5>him so maybe he, doesn't you, know BECAUSE i mean it's,

0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.080
<v Speaker 5>like you, know she got a reputation of sleeping around

0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.960
<v Speaker 5>you know WHAT i, mean she, didn't but that was her.

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<v Speaker 5>Reputation SO i, mean as a, guy if you are

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<v Speaker 5>just you, know sleeping with somebody just once or, twice

0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.840
<v Speaker 5>then you, know it's like you're not really concerned whether

0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.160
<v Speaker 5>that person gets pregnant or not until they come knock

0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.120
<v Speaker 5>on your. Door and, so, no he may not. Know

0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:27.600
<v Speaker 5>he may not.

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<v Speaker 2>Know despite the fact That james And becky didn't see

0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.960
<v Speaker 2>eye to eye in his earlier attempts to contact, her

0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.040
<v Speaker 2>he wants another chance to, explain which may be his

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<v Speaker 2>primary reason for his willingness to meet with her.

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<v Speaker 5>Again ten years ago on the social media and then via.

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<v Speaker 5>Phone and then she didn't really want anything to do

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<v Speaker 5>with the, truth as we've stayed. Earlier you, know it's

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<v Speaker 5>like talking about some of the letters That diane wrote

0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:59.160
<v Speaker 5>her after being in. Solitary you need to believe that she's.

0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.200
<v Speaker 5>Psychotic you need to believe that she's a deviant sociopath

0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.200
<v Speaker 5>or whatever those words are that they're throwing out. There

0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.560
<v Speaker 5>but she wasn't willing to. Listen as my whole, POINT

0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.760
<v Speaker 5>i talked to, her then she did not, listen And

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<v Speaker 5>i'm hoping today she. Listens And i'm always willing to

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<v Speaker 5>talk to anybody who's willing to, listen because the truth

0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:20.760
<v Speaker 5>needs to be out. There.

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<v Speaker 2>WELL i spoke To. James becky was waiting in the

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<v Speaker 2>studio to speak with him before bringing her. IN i

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to her alone for a few minutes to gauge

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<v Speaker 2>her feelings on the situation and brief her on what to.

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<v Speaker 6>Expect i've been talking To james, here asking him about

0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.360
<v Speaker 6>his feelings today about meeting, you finding out his. Intentions

0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.960
<v Speaker 6>when we first got in the, studio he was quite

0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.600
<v Speaker 6>overwhelmed because there's so much he wanted to. Share and

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<v Speaker 6>then WHAT i found, interesting, though is that he really

0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:56.640
<v Speaker 6>really cared about today and wanted to come today with

0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:02.520
<v Speaker 6>something sort of as an offer of information that he could.

0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:06.880
<v Speaker 6>Provide first of, all he has a letter From diane

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<v Speaker 6>and it's written To amy to, you and it's going

0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.239
<v Speaker 6>to talk about her time being pregnant with.

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<v Speaker 4>You. Yeah one thing THAT i.

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<v Speaker 1>Am concerned about Is diane still denies That i'm her biological,

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<v Speaker 1>daughter and so this letter is written To, amy who

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<v Speaker 1>WILL i GUESS i don't identify with because she doesn't

0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.480
<v Speaker 1>claim to be my biological. Mother so there's been like

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<v Speaker 1>a disconnect. There i'm not sure how to respond When

0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.919
<v Speaker 1>james reads that, letter because my initial knee jerk reaction

0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.199
<v Speaker 1>would be uncomfortable and.

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<v Speaker 6>Upset the truth is is, that regardless of the Name

0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.200
<v Speaker 6>amy Or, rebecca you were that.

0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Baby it doesn't feel like, that you, know it feels

0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:00.960
<v Speaker 1>like almost a separate person, completely especially because she doesn't

0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:02.280
<v Speaker 1>believe that it's.

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<v Speaker 7>Me she may not believe it's, you but your physical

0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:11.760
<v Speaker 7>being had that experience as a, newborn as a, child

0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:16.919
<v Speaker 7>as a baby girl coming into this, world and regardless of,

0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:18.960
<v Speaker 7>name it was your.

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<v Speaker 1>EXPERIENCE i wrote her back in two thousand and six

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<v Speaker 1>WHEN i put my son up for, adoption wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>connect with. Her it feels like this letter that you

0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.840
<v Speaker 1>guys have been talking about is almost going to be

0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:35.119
<v Speaker 1>that connection THAT i needed back then and after we

0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.640
<v Speaker 1>had such a meltdown with her in the last letter

0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.639
<v Speaker 1>where she was very. CRUEL i don't want that connection with,

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<v Speaker 1>Her So i'm nervous about hearing this, letter and i

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<v Speaker 1>don't know How i'll. Feel If i'm being completely transparent and,

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<v Speaker 1>Honest i'm almost scared THAT i want to have that

0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.879
<v Speaker 1>connection Like diyre's that conflict of being the adopted child

0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.919
<v Speaker 1>that you want that connection with your biological. Parents but

0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.840
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a battle in my, heart in my head

0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:07.119
<v Speaker 1>BECAUSE i don't want to be connected to.

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<v Speaker 4>Her mm, hmmm all, Right so how are we going

0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.439
<v Speaker 4>to do? This because he's gonna want to say? Hi

0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.760
<v Speaker 4>then we let he walks through the. Door it's fine

0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:34.040
<v Speaker 4>where she's bringing it right now? Recording oh, Yeah i'm,

0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:44.080
<v Speaker 4>ready all, Right, james this Is. Becky, hi good to see. You,

0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:45.239
<v Speaker 4>yeah where's your?

0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.560
<v Speaker 5>Chip that's? Good? Yeah how are you?

0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:51.920
<v Speaker 4>Nervous getting through?

0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:56.280
<v Speaker 8>It it's a little, different like we were, mentioning is the

0:19:56.280 --> 0:20:00.920
<v Speaker 8>first Time i've actually met anybody from the bi, family

0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:02.360
<v Speaker 8>so it's it's.

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<v Speaker 5>Different so this is all different.

0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Too after some setup and light chit, chat they get

0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.560
<v Speaker 2>right into. It james immediately begins to read the letter

0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:12.320
<v Speaker 2>he received From.

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<v Speaker 5>Diane he, SAYS i was four and a half months

0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.680
<v Speaker 5>pregnant WHEN i was. Arrested amy AND i were locked

0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.800
<v Speaker 5>in a jail cell alone for nearly four months before

0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.200
<v Speaker 5>she was. Born she gave me the strength to keep

0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.919
<v Speaker 5>calm during the. Trial every Day i'd tell her that

0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.879
<v Speaker 5>she was going to be. Okay i'd pat her bottom

0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.959
<v Speaker 5>and rubb her back and. CAMBER i didn't let myself

0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.119
<v Speaker 5>get consumed with worry for her. Sake, then when we

0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:39.399
<v Speaker 5>returned to our jail cell after my first day on

0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.520
<v Speaker 5>the witness, stand there was a court order waiting in

0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:46.639
<v Speaker 5>our concrete slab. Bed the state had seems custody Of

0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:51.040
<v Speaker 5>amy even before she was. Born the trial wasn't even over,

0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.679
<v Speaker 5>yet and the state was taking. HER i was physically,

0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.560
<v Speaker 5>ill but couldn't dwell on it BECAUSE i didn't Want

0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.240
<v Speaker 5>amy to feel my. Pain it was a difference. Story

0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:04.040
<v Speaker 5>after she was, GONE i cried and cried and felt

0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.360
<v Speaker 5>Like i'd lost a friend as much as a. Child

0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.040
<v Speaker 5>that's a loss from Which i'll never. Recover that's what

0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.960
<v Speaker 5>my sister said about. You, Wow SO.

0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.919
<v Speaker 4>I didn't realized that she felt that.

0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:23.240
<v Speaker 5>Way there's been pictures painted of my, sisters being a callous,

0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.120
<v Speaker 5>person not a good. Mother that's the way she felt

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.159
<v Speaker 5>about all of her. Kids that's not the way she

0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.160
<v Speaker 5>felt about the surrogate. Child you're not a surrogate.

0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:35.239
<v Speaker 1>CHILD i struggle with her connection with me because of

0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the fact that she got pregnant with me on, purpose

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.360
<v Speaker 1>because she knew she could and she wanted to Replace,

0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.879
<v Speaker 1>cheryl and she knew that she would get sympathy from the.

0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 5>Courts and those Are rules, words those are writer's. Words

0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.920
<v Speaker 5>those aren't, True.

0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay isn't. IT i saw something about. It i've never

0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.040
<v Speaker 1>read An rule's. Book there was one of her recordings

0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.080
<v Speaker 1>or something THAT i. THOUGHT i don't know, ANYWAYS i

0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:03.440
<v Speaker 1>never knew she felt that.

0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Way james shifts almost immediately into defensive mode with regards To.

0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Diane there's a bit of tension Between james And, becky

0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.800
<v Speaker 2>And james is eager to push through his agenda for.

0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:15.600
<v Speaker 4>Meeting so when did she write?

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:19.520
<v Speaker 5>That about two weeks? Ago? WOW i asked her to

0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 5>share something with me because she doesn't. WANT i, said

0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.320
<v Speaker 5>the world needs to understand what she felt like when

0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 5>you were having the baby teeth a, way she says

0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.000
<v Speaker 5>she can't really talk about when the baby was taken,

0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.080
<v Speaker 5>away because it's just. Crying you, know she cried and.

0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.119
<v Speaker 5>Cried what else is there to? Say she was, Induced

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.680
<v Speaker 5>she didn't have it. Natural they told the court before

0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:45.720
<v Speaker 5>she was convicted that they're going to take the baby.

0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:49.120
<v Speaker 5>Away they told the jerors that already finding her guilty

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:50.399
<v Speaker 5>before The jersey was started.

0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 6>Deliberating it is really, interesting it's very, interesting and she.

0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:01.840
<v Speaker 5>DID i don't think the word replace it's a good

0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:06.040
<v Speaker 5>word to, say because you can never replace, you right

0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:11.440
<v Speaker 5>with another. Baby she can't Replace cheryl with another. Baby

0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:15.200
<v Speaker 5>she can't Replace christie with another. Baby you're her, daughter

0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.240
<v Speaker 5>and you were very much. Loved the state did not

0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 5>want you to be raised by her or see the,

0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 5>family so you were given to another. Family SO i.

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:29.399
<v Speaker 4>Feel a sort of a. DISCONNECT i reached out To.

0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:31.800
<v Speaker 1>DIANE i think it was in two thousand and, six

0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and her first couple letters, were you, know oh my,

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Gosh i've always known where you, were and you'd write me.

0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 4>Someday they were excited and.

0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Happy but now to this, day you, know she denies

0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 1>That i'm her biological.

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 5>Child there in between two, right, yeah crazy, letters we might, say.

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:51.639
<v Speaker 4>Right they're pretty.

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Intense, yeah and, threatening and you, know saying that there's

0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.680
<v Speaker 1>been somebody watching me my whole life and trying to kill,

0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.640
<v Speaker 1>me and and scary stuff she did.

0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 5>That did you feel like you were watching a movie

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 5>and that she was threatening you from in the jail

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.159
<v Speaker 5>or did you feel like that she was being Sincere

0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 5>she was truly worried for, you because, again she didn't

0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 5>commit this, crime. Right whoever did this to her is

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 5>still out there and if you are her, child in her,

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:21.920
<v Speaker 5>opinion then you're in.

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 3>Danger things With james start to grow a bit.

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 5>Tense there's not a single person THAT i know that

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:33.480
<v Speaker 5>is backing me and doing this because the media has

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:38.200
<v Speaker 5>been very, violent very, vile and the media is one

0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:41.119
<v Speaker 5>of the reasons WHY i don't want to use the

0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.359
<v Speaker 5>word fearful to meet, you BUT i wasn't looking forward to.

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Meeting they go back and forth about the details Surrounding

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.679
<v Speaker 2>diane's public behavior at the time of the shooting and

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.600
<v Speaker 2>her seeming lack of emotion when re enacting the. Scene

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 2>becky pokestoles in james argument For diane's, innocence which he repeatedly.

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 5>DEFENDS i can tell tell you that for many Years

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<v Speaker 5>i've been very angry at, you mainly because WHEN i

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<v Speaker 5>tried to talk to, you didn't want to talk to.

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<v Speaker 5>Me one of the things that you said was the

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<v Speaker 5>purpose of doing what you're doing is so you can

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<v Speaker 5>be sure That diane does not get. Parole right. NOW

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<v Speaker 5>i don't want to be a part of. THAT i

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<v Speaker 5>don't want to be a part of somebody that's trying

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<v Speaker 5>to keep my sister in, prison because how she acts

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<v Speaker 5>is Just i've never been, Shot i've never had my

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<v Speaker 5>child killed in front of, me you know WHAT i,

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<v Speaker 5>Mean AND i just it's, just how are you supposed to? Act,

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<v Speaker 5>well you're wrong because you don't know, right you know

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<v Speaker 5>WHAT i.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean at this, point the tension is, palpable.

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<v Speaker 5>Straight out In english. LANGUAGE i could, not in any,

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<v Speaker 5>way shape or, form be a part of somebody's life

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<v Speaker 5>that thought my sister was.

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<v Speaker 4>GUILTY i understand.

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<v Speaker 5>That and really my life is now consumed with my,

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<v Speaker 5>sister which is Why i'm sitting, here and WHAT i.

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<v Speaker 5>Want WHAT i believe is that if you looked at

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<v Speaker 5>not actions and, evidence that there would be no doubt

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<v Speaker 5>that she would believe that she's.

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<v Speaker 1>INNOCENT i understand that you came here solely to speak

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<v Speaker 1>of her innocence and not to meet. ME i wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to reach out to, you to give you your voice

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<v Speaker 1>and to get to know. You so dad just really.

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<v Speaker 1>HURTS i talked to your dad for. YEARS i don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be just some, person AND i understand that you're.

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<v Speaker 1>ANGRY i would need, Too but why are you.

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<v Speaker 5>Here my sister's in. Person she doesn't belong, there AND

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<v Speaker 5>i want you to be her. MOUTHPIECE i want you

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<v Speaker 5>to go out there and tell the world as she

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<v Speaker 5>didn't do.

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<v Speaker 2>This it becomes clear That james Believes diane when she

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<v Speaker 2>says that whoever she claims is the actual shooter is

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<v Speaker 2>still out, there a theory he has also.

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<v Speaker 1>Adopted you want me to be an advocate for, her that's,

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<v Speaker 1>right but that would require me to believe she's.

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<v Speaker 4>Innocent that's.

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<v Speaker 5>Right and why DO i? Why? Why? Why? Why why

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<v Speaker 5>WOULD i even say that to? You IF i didn't believe,

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<v Speaker 5>that if you stopped and you looked at what happened,

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<v Speaker 5>here and if you looked at everything That i've gotten

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:24.400
<v Speaker 5>to show, you if you really had an open, mind

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 5>you weren't thinking about how crazy she. Was there is

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<v Speaker 5>no doubt in my mind that you would be and

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<v Speaker 5>then you could use your voice to help get her.

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<v Speaker 5>Out is she your, Mother she's my biological. Mother you.

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<v Speaker 1>GO i don't constantly say mean things about. HER i

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<v Speaker 1>defend her even when people you, know say horrible. THINGS i,

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>say she was in solitary for so long even a

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 1>sane person would go.

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<v Speaker 4>Crazy you. Know it's those letters that she.

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<v Speaker 5>WROTE i she also believed she was protecting you those.

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<v Speaker 5>Letters when she was saying to keep, quiet quit, talking

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<v Speaker 5>as he's still out, there she was protecting. It that's

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<v Speaker 5>part of her theory about what happened to. Her, okay

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 5>and she believes that she's being, watched so she believes

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<v Speaker 5>that we're all still in.

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<v Speaker 1>Danger do you believe that if she was released she

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<v Speaker 1>could get help for her mental issues as?

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<v Speaker 4>Is do you think she would be? SAFE i know

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<v Speaker 4>she would be.

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<v Speaker 5>Safe it's a really strange talking to her at, times

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<v Speaker 5>because as incoherent about man watching and things like, that

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 5>she is so incredibly coherent About if she doesn't talk about,

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 5>that she's incredibly, coherent incredibly.

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Normal there was finally an, opening And becky decides to

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<v Speaker 2>ask what she believes is the most important question she

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>has For, James.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah do you know who my biological father?

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<v Speaker 5>Is? SORRY i do know that he was guy on

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 5>her impulsed rite is ALL i. Know there's only one

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 5>person that knows we were talking. Earlier and it's like

0:28:58.200 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 5>the father may not even know he's a.

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<v Speaker 4>File and that's What i'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking it's either he's passed, away he doesn't, know or

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to.

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 5>Know she didn't tell. Him she didn't tell him she was.

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Pregnant james And becky finally both have their respective agendas

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 2>for the conversation out in the. Open For James diane's

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>innocence and For becky her biological father's. Identity james agrees

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 2>to take A dna test to help her in her.

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>QUEST i, MEAN i think that would be. Wonderful it

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<v Speaker 1>might Settle diane a little, bit to know for. Real

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 1>it might help me find my biological. Father oh, NO

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<v Speaker 1>i will let you know your.

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<v Speaker 5>Heritage, yeah that's what they say From denmark about two

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<v Speaker 5>or three years. Ago my dad probably told, you, Right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>yeah From, Denmark Denmark. ROYALTY i don't feel. COMPLETE i

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 5>don't feel complete talking to. YOU i want TO i

0:29:56.040 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 5>feel like you've judged her because of how she yeahs

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 5>believe that if you need to open you're looking for.

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 5>Things And i'm not saying you're looking in the wrong,

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 5>area because nowhere you look is. Wrong but maybe you

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 5>need to look at what was done to, her what

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 5>was done to her so you couldn't be with her

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 5>even they stopped you from being with. Her she didn't stop,

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<v Speaker 5>It they stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>It james calms a bit and sort of seems to

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>regret being so outwardly, aggressive but still can't help pushing his.

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 5>AGENDA i, MEAN i understand that you have a lot of, emotion,

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 5>right And i'm sorry IF i just your. EMOTION i

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<v Speaker 5>just need you to really think about you didn't send

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 5>it to me an? Email? Why this is WHY i

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<v Speaker 5>Think diane did.

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<v Speaker 6>This, okay, okay all, right thank you. GUYS i think

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<v Speaker 6>that's a wrap for. Today that was a lot for

0:30:58.920 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 6>both of.

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<v Speaker 4>You no, Apologies, NO i really really do, care.

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<v Speaker 5>RIGHT i don't want you to be. SAD i don't

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 5>want anybody to be sad for any. Reason, yeah and

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 5>believe me WHEN i said, THAT i mean that with

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 5>my heart THAT i believe that you're going to beat her, voice.

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 5>DON'T i didn't see it in, envision un or. Anything

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 5>it's just my. Heart, yeah we can definitely talk.

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<v Speaker 4>More we'll follow up on.

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 2>This it's hard to say If becky got what she

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>wanted from the interaction With. James it's the first member

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 2>of The frederickson side of the family who's agreed to

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 2>meet with her and have a real conversation About. Diane

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:44.959
<v Speaker 2>so in many, ways it's as close As becky has

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 2>ever been to the maternal side of her family. Line

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 2>despite the tension between, Them james agreed to Give becky

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 2>a key piece of the puzzle to help confirm her

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>genetic identity HIS. Dna with, This becky will hopefully finally

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 2>be able to confirm what and for all that she's

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>in fact the biological daughter Of Diane. Downes on the

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<v Speaker 2>next episode Of Happy Face presents To, face we unpack

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>the details of exactly what happened on that faithful night

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>In may of nineteen eighty three When diane downs and

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>her three children arrived at That, Springfield oregon, hospital all

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 2>with gunshot.

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 3>Wounds