1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Red Sox fans are really upset this morning, and understandably so. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Another star player is gone. A lynchpin of their organization 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: is gone. Welcome everyone to the Monday edition of Fair Territory. 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: We are live. This is the first day of the 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: Rafael Devers Era in San Francisco and the first day 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: of the post Rafael Devers Era in Boston. We're gonna 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: get into the trade. We're going to get into the 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: angles from both sides. We're gonna get into Shoheo Tani 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: making his first start of twenty twenty five as well 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: first starts in surgery. But let's start with something I 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: wrote back on May twelfth. It actually proved somewhat prophetic. 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Shock of shocks. Here's what it was, and it concerned 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: Raphael Devers. The idea of a trade at some point 14 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 1: isn't all that far fetched. Even with Devers owed more 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: than two hundred and fifty million, including a portion deferred 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: for a hitter of his quality, the contract soon might 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: look like something of a bargain a lease compared to 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: Juan Soto's seven hundred and sixty five million in Vladimir 19 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: Guerrero Junior's five hundred million Okay, that was just over 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: a month ago. Now, when I said the idea of 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: a trade isn't all that far fetched, I didn't think 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: it was gonna happen as quickly. No one did. It 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: is one of the most shocking trades I can remember 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: in baseball. It certainly rivals some others that have happened 25 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: in recent years. But when you look get back at 26 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: Juan Soto and Mookie Bets, those were kind of in 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: the works, Gary Crochet, in the works, we sort of 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: knew this was coming, or those deals were common. This one, 29 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: to me is the most surprising since Zach Grenk in 30 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, from the Diamondbacks to the Astros at the deadline, 31 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: That too came out of nowhere. The out of nowhere 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: trades are the best trades, the most fun to analyze, 33 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: and this one has so many layers. I don't even 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: know if we can get through the wall today. But 35 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: let's go. Let's start, and let's start with the details 36 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: of the trade. Exactly what happened between the San Francisco 37 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: Giants and Austin Red Sox on Sunday. Devers, of course, 38 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: goes to the Giants. He has owed about two hundred 39 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: and fifty five million more on his contract. The Giants 40 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: are taking all the money. In return, the Red Sox 41 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: get Jordan Hicks, currently on the injured list with a 42 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: tow issue and a six point four to seven ERA. 43 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: Kyle Harrison wants one of the Giants' top pitching prospects, 44 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: outfielder James Tibbs, third guy who was the fourteenth pick 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: overall in last year's draft, and right hander Jose Beayo. 46 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: So that's the return. It's a meager return. But some 47 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: would say, hey, wait a second, the Giants are taking 48 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: all that money and they still gave up players. The 49 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: Red Sox, from that perspective, did well. I don't know 50 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: that many Red Sox fans believe that the Red Sox 51 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: did well, and they should not believe that the Red 52 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: Sox did well because for this season, and this is 53 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: what I wrote about today in my column for this 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: season twenty twenty five, when you ask yourself the question, 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: o the Red Sox are better team without Raphaeld Devers, 56 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: it's difficult to imagine that the answer to that question 57 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: is yes. Without Devs, you're losing one of the top 58 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen hitters in the game. You're losing a 59 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: veteran player who can provide cover for the young position 60 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 1: players that they've brought up. And there's a bunch of them, 61 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: and they're all doing their thing as rookies or second 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: year players. Ups and downs. That's what you're going to 63 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: experience with young guys. And as I wrote, well, yes, 64 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: Alex Bregman is coming back, and that's a great thing. 65 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: Problem is, Alex Bregman can opt out after this year. 66 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: I expect that he will opt out after this year, 67 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: as long as he stays healthy the rest of the season. 68 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: And as I also wrote, there are unconfirmed reports of 69 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: Alex Bregman's agent, Scott Boris, rolling on the floor hysterical 70 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: knowing that he now has the Red Sox in his 71 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: little hands. So again, a lot to unwrap here, but 72 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: the Red Sox, Yes, they gain flexibility going forward. They 73 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: gain flexibility from that sheer technical standpoint. It's a good thing, right. 74 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: They have money, all that two hundred and fifty five 75 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: million they can direct to other places. But their chief 76 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: baseball officer, Craig Breslow, has had kind of a mixed 77 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: record so far, and they're gonna need to add at 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: the deadline. They're gonna need to add pitching in my opinion, 79 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: even with the guys that they're getting. Kyle Harrison was 80 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: optioned to the Miners, and of course Jordan Hicks is 81 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: not ready. They're gonna need pitching, and yes, they're gonna 82 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: need another bat. Ralpfhaeld Devers is a monstrous force in 83 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: a lineup. You don't simply say, hey, we're good now 84 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: that we don't have Ralphield Devers. So they get rid 85 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 1: of the contract. That's a good thing for them. Okay, Yes, 86 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: in a sheer, distant, remote, non emotional level, getting rid 87 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: of that contract is good. But you gave Ralfhaeld Givers 88 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: that contract. And why did you give him that contract. 89 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: He gave him that contract because you traded Mookie Betts 90 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: because lost Andre Bogartz. Betts was of course an awful move. 91 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: Bogarts turned out to be okay because you didn't want 92 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: to pay him all that money. But that contract was 93 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: a reaction to some of the other issues that arose 94 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: with the Red Sox. They give it to Raphael Devers 95 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: and then two years later he's gone. This is the 96 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: second year of that deal, second year of a ten year, 97 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: three hundred and thirteen point five million dollar deal. And 98 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: when you trace the evolution of this and there are sorry, 99 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: there is plenty of blame to go around. But when 100 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: you go back to the beginning here, how did this 101 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: all start? It all started when the Red Sox failed 102 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: to include or apprize Raphaeld Devers of what was going 103 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: on with Alex Bregman. Now you can question Dever's reaction 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: after that, his initial resistance to being a DH, his 105 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: of course, refusal to play first base. I wrote about 106 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: that a month ago in that column that we had 107 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: the trade prediction of sorts, And in that column I said, 108 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: moving a first base in the middle of the season 109 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: is not so easy, and it would not have been 110 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: easy for devs, And that was the thing that got 111 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: lost here. But the problem I have with the Red Sox, 112 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: the biggest problem I have with the Red Sox, is 113 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: that this is a pattern, the Red Sox parting with 114 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: a star an ugly divorce, not the first time this 115 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: goes back. I don't know in the John Henry ownership 116 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: to Terry Francona to John Lester to Mookie Betts that 117 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily acrimonious They just didn't want to pay him 118 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: what he thought he was worth. Bad decision on their 119 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: part and Xander Bogartz to a certain extent too, but 120 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: again that was a contractual thing. They just didn't want 121 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: to go to the lens that San Diego did, and 122 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: as it's turned out, Xander Bogarts doesn't look like he's 123 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: going to be worth that money. Okay, but the pattern 124 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: is clear here. And Ralphael Devers when he came up 125 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: in his first years with the team, was never a 126 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: guy that was considered a problem, a guy that was 127 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: a malcontent. Now he made some questionable decisions of his 128 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: own here when you criticize your head of baseball operations 129 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: as he did with Craig Breslow, when he said, I 130 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: don't know what he has for me, what issues he 131 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: has for me or with me. Yeah, that's a problem 132 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: when you don't take leadership as a three hundred and 133 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: thirteen point five million dollar player, when you duck the media, 134 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: when you don't necessarily assume the responsibilities you would normally 135 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: as the associate with the player of that caliber, Yeah, 136 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: that's a problem. But again it goes back to the 137 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: Red Sox not having a good conversation with him and 138 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: not sitting him down in saying, Rafael, we're talking to 139 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: Alex Bregman. You have come out publicly and said you 140 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: want us to make this a better team, and he 141 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: did do that. Well, okay, Raphael, here's what we're going 142 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: to do. We're gonna try to sign Bregman. If not Bregman, 143 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: maybe somebody else, and it might entail you becoming a DH, 144 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,119 Speaker 1: it might entail you playing first space. Let's get going 145 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: with that. So that conversation apparently did not happen. And 146 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: when that conversation did not happen, and then when the 147 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: Red Sox signed Bregman, here's where the issue arose. And 148 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: that's the problem here, that there was no communication. Now, again, 149 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: Devers is not blameless, and the Red Sox ultimately in 150 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 1: this particular case, might come out looking good because maybe 151 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: the contract doesn't age well. In fact, it's probably not 152 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: likely to age well. Right, he's twenty eight. Now, by 153 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: the time the sucker is over, he's probably not going 154 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: to be the player he is. Although DHS guys who 155 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: are just pure hitters, they normally do age well. Actually, now, 156 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: what he's going to do in the field, I have 157 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: no idea. But it's going to be really interesting to 158 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: see what the San Francisco Giants do with Ralphaeld Devers 159 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: because Ralphaeld Devers now goes to the team that definitely 160 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: has a need for him. They don't know though, where 161 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: they're going to play him just yet. Now we're going 162 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: to get into that in our next segment. But again, 163 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: this is a Red Sox thing, and from what I've gathered, 164 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: Red Sox fans are really upset this morning, and understandably so, 165 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: because another star player is gone. A lynchpin of their 166 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: organization is gone, a guy who is homegrown, guy who 167 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: came up through their organization, won a World Series with them, 168 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: did remarkable things with them in the postseason, and of 169 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: course in the regular season. Two well, he's no longer 170 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: a member of the Boston Red Sox. And there was 171 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: another article today in The Athletic by Brendan Cuddy, I 172 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: believe and Chris Kirshner are Yankees writers, and they said 173 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: the Yankees are overjoyed by this, And yes, absolutely, the 174 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: Yankees are overjoyed by this. Get Devers out of the 175 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: division and out of the league, great thing. And when 176 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: you satisfy your rival. When you make your rival happy, 177 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: ordinarily that's a questionable move. This is a questionable move again. 178 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: Francona Lester bets Bogarts and nowdevors Boston Red Sox. The 179 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: pattern continues all right now, whether you're feeling doom or 180 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: gloom or walking on sunshine, check out last night's Monster 181 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: Territory reaction to this huge trade. Robbie Hyde lends his 182 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: thoughts about how the Red Sox move forward. 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And now I want 216 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: to look at it from the San Francisco Giants angle 217 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: and from the National League West angle, because there's another 218 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: huge development in the NL West and it's happening tonight. 219 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: When shoey Otani returns to the mound. But first, the 220 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: Giants and their perspective on this trade. Why they did it. Now, 221 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: if you're a baseball executive or even an analytically driven fan, 222 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: and you're looking at the money and you're saying, well, 223 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: the Giants are taking on all this money and Red 224 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: Sox are saving it, they're in great position here. If 225 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: you're just looking at it from that perspective, yeah, okay, 226 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: I get it. But here's the thing with the Giants. 227 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: They have spent years, years trying to get a slugger 228 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: into their uniform, a guy who is a big time bat. 229 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: It goes back to gian Carlos stan rejecting a trade 230 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: to the Giants, and then in free agency it was 231 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: one miss after another. It was Harper, it was Korea 232 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: Kara of course for the physical reason, it was Otani, 233 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: and it was Aaron Judge. All of those players rejected 234 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: the Giants. They could not get that guy. And look 235 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: at them this year. What are they They're third in 236 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: the majors in era, tremendous pitching staff and they haven't 237 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: even had Verlander. We'll see what he is once he 238 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: gets back. Third in the era situation. But their offense 239 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: is again questionable. They've run a lot of run run 240 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: games that can go either way. Of course, they've had 241 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: a really good start to their season. They're much more 242 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: competitive than any of us thought in the first year 243 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: under President of Baseball Operations Buster Posey, But they haven't 244 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: had that bat. To get that bat, to pay what 245 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: was necessary to pay for that bat, they made this trade. 246 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: They made this trade because other outlets, as we've seen, 247 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: were closed to them, So from that angle, from that perspective, 248 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: this is a brilliant move for the Giants. Raphael Devers 249 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: did not have a no trade clause. They acquired him cleanly, 250 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: and he is theirs. He is going to transform them. 251 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: Bob Melvin, their manager, quoted as saying, he's the kind 252 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: of left handed hitter who can go the other way, 253 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: who will fit well at Oracle Park Rafield Devers, we 254 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: all know this. He's going to hit wherever he is now. 255 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: The Giants gave up some things, most notably Kyle Harrison, 256 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: who again was their top pitching prospect, and the kid 257 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: James Tibbs, big time draft pick. He's a prospect too, 258 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: and some might argue, well, they were taking on all 259 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: that money. They shouldn't have given up really anything, but 260 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: it's not the way this went down. And the Giants 261 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: here they are. They're in a position where we never 262 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: thought they would be at the start of the season. 263 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: They're in competition with the Dodgers in the NLST played 264 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: the Dodgers tough this weekend. They look like a real 265 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: threat in that division, a division where so many of us, 266 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: including myself, thought the Dodgers were simply going to run away. 267 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: Now the Giants clearly needed the left handed bat. The 268 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: question is going to be, now, where are they going 269 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: to play Devers. Matt Chapman is hurt right now, but 270 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: he is their third baseman. You have Wilmer Flores, he's 271 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: been their regular DH. And here's Susan Slusser tweeting last 272 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: night for all of you asking Posey, zach Manijen, Bob 273 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: Melvin will discuss how where they'll use Devers once they've 274 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to him in person. That's 275 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: to be announced decision, Posey said. Now, the obvious spot 276 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: for Devers is first base. What have the Giants done 277 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: at first base this year? They've been one of the 278 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: five worst teams in the Major leagues. In terms of ops. 279 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: They released Lamontway junior. They've brought in Dominic Smith as 280 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: a stop gap. That is where their need is. So 281 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: they might be thinking, well, wait, Devers won play first 282 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: base for the Red Sox, why would he play first 283 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: base for the Giants? Different situation, fresh start. He doesn't 284 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: feel betrayed rightly or wrongly by the Giants. So I 285 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: imagine that conversation is going to take place with Devers 286 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: and if they give him enough of a ramp up, 287 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: allow him to kind of along slowly as he learns 288 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: the position, which is a nuanced position. It is not 289 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: simply as easy as going over there and catching throws 290 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: from the other infielders. People who think that are sadly mistaken. 291 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: It would take him time to do this, and he's 292 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: not the most athletic guy to begin with. That was 293 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: part of the reason he didn't want to do this 294 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of a season. He knows who he 295 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: is defensively, in my opinion, and he knows this would 296 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: not have been easy for him, and he would have 297 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: risked embarrassment and he would have risked hurting the team. 298 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: Those risks would still exist if he does this with 299 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: the Giants. But that is a spot where they need him, 300 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: and that is where this is likely to at least 301 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: be a conversation. Now, for Buster Posey, this is the 302 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: biggest move obviously since he became the head of baseball 303 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: operations for the Giants. Signed Willia Domas, that was a 304 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: big one. They gave Chapman the extension, that was a 305 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: big one. But this dwarf's all of that. This gets 306 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: them the guy who is not going to be Barry Bonds, 307 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: no one ever will be, of course, but someone who 308 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: will be that kind of presence they hope in their 309 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: lineup for years to come. Now, yeah, you talk about 310 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: the contract and it's likely to age poorly, and you 311 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: could even say, you know what, the Red Sox didn't 312 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: need to jump here. I wrote this. They could have 313 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: waited until the offseason, surveyed the industry used Devers as 314 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: a hedge against Alex Bregman, and if Alex Bregman opted out, 315 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: you still got Devors to play third base, or you 316 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: could trade devs. You have multiple options. What the Red 317 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: Sox found in the Giants was a willing taker and 318 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: a willing taker immediately, and they probably thought this opportunity 319 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: might not arise again, we're getting rid of all the money. 320 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: We're getting these players. We're good, okay, And I would 321 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: imagine you're gonna see quotes in the next day or two, 322 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: maybe even in things I write from rival executives saying 323 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: the Giants got ripped off here. They took on all 324 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: that money, they gave up the talent. They shouldn't have 325 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: done all that well. At the same time, hey, they 326 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: got the guy they needed. All right. Now the larger 327 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: question the NL West, how that's all going to play out? Now? 328 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: Otani comes back tonight, very surprising that he's back this early. 329 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: The Red Sox. I mean that the Dodgers we're slow 330 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: playing this the entire season, and he will be the 331 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: starting pitcher, as they announced last night tonight against the Padres. 332 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: It's only going to be for one inning, but Otani 333 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: as a starting pitcher gives the Dodgers a huge edge. 334 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: He enables them to carry effectively a fourteenth pitcher. There's 335 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: a maximum of thirteen, but because Otani is designated as 336 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: a two way player, he is a guy that can 337 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: pitch and be a position player and be the fourteenth 338 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: pitcher in essence. Now, one inning tonight he's going to 339 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: have to build up over time. He will continue to 340 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: DH even after he is removed from the game. That's 341 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 1: the Otani rule that was introduced a few years ago. 342 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: And you might ask, why is this happening so soon 343 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: when the Dodgers kept saying all Star Breaker beyond, it's 344 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: Otani's call. And I would like to sit here and 345 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: say reflects the urgency because the division's heating up. I 346 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: don't believe that's the case at all. The Dodgers have 347 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: acted with urgency this season. Got rid of Chris Taylor, 348 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: got rid of Austin Barnes, brought up Dalton Rushing, brought 349 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: up heights on Kim because they were feeling the heat 350 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: a little bit, and they're still feeling the heat and 351 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: they still have all these other pitching injuries and that 352 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: they're going to have to deal with. But at the 353 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: same time, they are a team that obviously is going 354 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: to treat shoey Otani right. They're paying them all that money. 355 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: Granted they're paying him that in twenty ninety whatever, but 356 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: they're paying it to him and they want him healthy 357 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: and they want this to be right. So very obviously 358 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: the Dodgers here are going to try to build up Otani, 359 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: make him as regular a part of the rotation as 360 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: he can be by October. That's been the plan all along. 361 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: But if you're asking me if this is the Dodgers 362 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: making this call and rushing him because of the division race, 363 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: know this is pretty clearly Otani's call. So we have 364 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: the nl West. We have the Diamondbacks, who, even after 365 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: losing Corbyn Burns, even after losing Justin Martinez, refused to 366 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: go away. They are a team where on MLB Network 367 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: Radio yesterday, their general manager Mike Haysen said, we are 368 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: not intending to sell, We are intending to buy. We 369 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: are trying. Hazen has been adamant in his entire tenure 370 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: about not going backwards. He hates the idea of rebuilding, 371 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: hates the idea of punting a season. So I don't 372 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: expect the Diamondbacks to do that unless they collapse. Then 373 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: there are the Padres. The Padres, remember they had that 374 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: amazing start, they went fourteen and three, but then twenty 375 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: five and twenty eight. Since then, questions about whether Michael 376 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: King will return, questions about you, Darvish. They're teetering a 377 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: little bit here, but they've got Aj Preller, their general manager, 378 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: waiting to do something at the deadline. He's going to 379 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: be challenged, but I expect the Padres to be active. 380 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: So in reflection, final reflection, the NL West over the 381 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: last twenty four hours got a whole lot more interesting 382 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: and it's going to be a lot of fun to 383 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: watch this division the rest of the season. 384 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: Krat's real question for you. So I'm in Arena Club 385 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: and I opened up a slab pack. I pulled a 386 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: Wyatt Langford Auto rookie card. I got an immediate offer 387 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 2: from Arena Club. I turned it down. It was in 388 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: the mid three hundredths range. 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Right, time now for Grill and Ken the part 407 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: of the show, I take your questions, and like last week, 408 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: we are also taking questions from chat BCC. That's a 409 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: free chat app. Go to foul Territory dot chat. It's 410 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: totally free and join the conversation. All right, let's get 411 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: to the first question from Martha Brennan, who asked, is 412 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: this Devers trade another? No more Garcia Para oh four trade? Ie? 413 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: Exactly what the socks need to excel this season? Martha, 414 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: that's a really good question, and you've got a good memory. 415 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: A trade of course was twenty one years ago, but 416 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: it's not quite the same. Garcia Para was disgruntled he 417 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: hadn't gotten a contract extension. They had tried to trade 418 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: him previously. If you were they were trying to trade 419 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: Manny for a Rod, and then Garcia Power was going 420 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: to go to the White Sox for Magli Ordoniez, but 421 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: it fell apart because a Rod was given up too 422 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: much money, the Union didn't approve it. We all know 423 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: what happened after that. Yes he was disgruntled, and yes 424 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: they did trade him. It was a four team shocking 425 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: trade at the deadline, maybe a little after the deadline, 426 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: We'll never know. But the difference is the Red Sox 427 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: in that trade got two players that they needed, dougman 428 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: Kavich first baseman and shortstop Orlando Cabrera theo Epstein. Then 429 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: the GM had said this was the Red Sox fatal 430 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: flaw their defense. That's why he acquired those two guys. 431 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: And of course what happened. The Red Sox went on 432 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: to break the curse and win the World Series for 433 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: the first time since nineteen eighteen. Thank you Martha for 434 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: that question. The next one comes from Shane, who asks, 435 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: is Dave Martinez on the hot seat in Washington? Okay, 436 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: fair question too. Nationals have lost eight straight games, only 437 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: one game ahead of the Marlins at this point, and 438 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: David Martinez is in the last guaranteed year of his contract, 439 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: So it's kind of natural to wonder what's up with 440 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: this team since twenty nineteen when they won the World Series. 441 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: Since then, from twenty twenty two now, only one team 442 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: in baseball has lost more game than the Nationals. Only 443 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: one team, the Colorado Rockies, only team with more losses 444 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: than the Nationals. So David Martinez, you would think might 445 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: be in trouble, and maybe he is, but Mike Rizzo, 446 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: their president Baseball Operations, has pretty staunchly supported Martinez throughout. 447 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: I remember I did a story of managers on the 448 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: hot seat story a little bit earlier in the season, 449 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: maybe April, and at that point Rizzo vocally said, yeah, 450 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: he's my guy. He's a good person and good manager. 451 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: So I don't know that I expect to change. But 452 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: there's a column I wrote a couple of weeks ago 453 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: Nationals remained among MLB's bottom feeders despite lengthy rebuild. At 454 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: that point, Rizzo came out and went on the radio 455 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: in Washington and said, I questioned the timing of this article. 456 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: We're playing better, and they were at the time they 457 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: were playing better. Well, maybe I should have waited until 458 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: now because the article still applies, and yes, Davey Martinez 459 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: might be in trouble, if not right away down the line, 460 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: but the Nationals have far greater issues issues in player development, 461 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: international and amateur scouting. So from all of those angles 462 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: and those perspectives, that's where the greater problem is. It's 463 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: been a team that has been rebuilding for a while 464 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: now and they still haven't gotten it right. Thanks everyone, 465 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: we'll be back on Thursday. 466 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: BETMGM is giving you the chance to win a prize 467 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: every day during the baseball season. 468 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: Step into the batter's box for betmgms Swing for the 469 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: Fences free to play game. 470 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: Visit the betmgm app to access the game, and you'll 471 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: score a prize if you hit a single, double, triple, 472 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 2: or home run. 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