1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Good morning. It's Friday, the eighth of September here in London. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: This is the Blueberg Day Recurate podcast. I'm Caroline Hepki. 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, The Goldman Sachs 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: CEO David Solomon says media attacks have reduced him to 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: a caricature. 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: The White House says that Joe Biden has no plans 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: to sit down with the Chinese premiere at the G 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: twenty summits. 9 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: Plus, we bring you our exclusive reporting on the Bogus 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: plane parts supplier may have faked LinkedIn profiles for its 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: employees too. 12 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: Goldban Sax CEO David Solomon says he feels he's been 14 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: caricatured by some recent press coverage. Speaking to CNBC, the 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: head one of Wall Street's biggest banks says, quote, it's 16 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: not fun watching some of the personal attacks in the media. 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Cristpace reports. 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: A failed retail venture, djaying, and heavy use of the 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: corporate jet. Those are just some of the criticisms of 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: David Solomon appearing in the business press. That's despite the 21 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: Goldman CEO scoring record annual profits. The bank's stock has 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 3: climbed almost fifty percent since Solomon took the helm, Yet 23 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: even rival CEOs casually point out the bank's major attentions, 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 3: Solomon says his focus remains on the firm's performance. He 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 3: put the criticism down to strategic changes at the firm 26 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 3: and declines in bonuses in London Crispit Bloomberg Radio Well. 27 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: The comments from Solomon come as Goldman is said to 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: be planning to dismiss its worst performers as soon as 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: next month. The lender had paused its annual cull of 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: its workforce during the pandemic. The Financial Time says that 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: the bank's staff cuts will be at the lower end 32 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: of its usual one to five percent range. 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: Apple is looking to stave off a crisis in China, 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: just days before the launch of its next iPhone, the 35 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: product unveiling their risks being overshadowed by a growing government 36 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: ban in Apple's largest market outside of the US. The 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: news sent Apple's shares sliding, erasing one hundred and ninety 38 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: billion dollars from the firm's market value in just two days. 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: MAP Signal's chief investment strategist Alec Jung says a key 40 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: concern is the resurgence in Chinese nationalism by consumers. 41 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 4: There's no question that part of the negative inferences that 42 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 4: are swirling around right now is this idea that Apple 43 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 4: gets caught up in a nationalist rivalry between the US 44 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 4: and China. If iPhones, for example, were to become stigmatized 45 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 4: throughout Chinese society over the next few months to the 46 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,279 Speaker 4: point that it depressed demand, those types of narratives inevitably 47 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 4: are popping into investors' minds right now. 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: Alex Jung's comments are reflected in the markets. Traders have 49 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: been selling everything from chipstocks to and maggot cap technology 50 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: to US listed Chinese firms. 51 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: The US government has begun an official probe into an 52 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: advanced made in China chip in Huawei's latest smartphone. Exclusive 53 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: reporting by Bloomberg has set off a debate in Washington 54 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: about the effectiveness of sanctions intended to contain Beijing. Here's 55 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: the view of Dan Hutchison, who's the vice chair of 56 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: Tech Insights Now. They are the company that our reporters 57 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: worked with in order to break down Huiawei's Mate sixty 58 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: pro device and uncover the technology inside. 59 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 5: They've been able to clearly get from the fourteen animeter 60 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 5: to the next generation which is seven animeter, and it's 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 5: a pretty clean looking device in terms of when we 62 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 5: got in and we looked at the devices on shows 63 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 5: that there was a really lot of excellent engineering on 64 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 5: the part of the Snick engineers to bring this part 65 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 5: to market. 66 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: Tech Insights Dan Hutchison says that the original objective of 67 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: the US sanctions was to keep China's fabrication capability behind 68 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: that of the United States. While China is progressing more 69 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: rapidly than expected, he says that they still appear to 70 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: be behind their geo political rival. 71 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 2: The White House says President Joe Biden does not intend 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: to meet Chinese Premier League Kiang during the summit. During 73 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: the Group of G twenty summit this weekend in Delhi, 74 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: both China's leader Shooting Ping and RUSSN president Vladimir Putin 75 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: have now confirmed they will not be attending the summit. 76 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: The US president will be hoping to seize on their 77 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: absence to coordinations they've tried to influence, but former US 78 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: Ambassador to Beijing, Max Booker says that won't be easy. 79 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 6: The bigger danger, frankly, is that there'll be very blocks 80 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 6: that will develop. President Biden Western countries one China with 81 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 6: some of the South countries another President Modi himself. Then 82 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 6: don't forget Saudi Arabia is there in the mid East countries. 83 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 6: The South country's power is rising. The big danger is 84 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 6: that there's not very much an agreement because each of 85 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 6: the power blocks is going to be looking more to 86 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 6: increase its position in the world. 87 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: Focus out of the China's most recent economic struggles have 88 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: dentityese global standing. 89 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: Now, UK job recruit say that demand for staff fell 90 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: at the fastest pace in more than three years. Bloombig's 91 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: un Pot's reports. 92 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 7: Now the UK's buoyant jobs market is showing more signs 93 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 7: of calling. The Recruitments and Employment Confederation's measure of permanent 94 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 7: staff placements dropped to thirty nine in August, are reading 95 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 7: well under the threshold of fifty that indicates a decline. 96 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 7: Demand dropped at the fastest pace in three years, with 97 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 7: demand for temporary staff also shrinking for the first time 98 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 7: since COVID. While unwelcome news for job seek is the 99 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 7: data does point to lower inflationary pressures from the labour market, 100 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 7: something the Bank of England will be watching closely in 101 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 7: London immune pots. 102 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Radio health officials are warning that a new highly 103 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: mutated variant of coronavirus as circulating across Europe. Doctors fear 104 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: the new Parola covid strain is triggering a surge in 105 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: cases across a number of countries. It's still unclear if 106 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: emerging variants are associated with more severe disease or a 107 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: reduction of vaccine effectiveness. 108 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: Those are your top stories. These are the markets right now. 109 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: The masci Asia Pacific Index is down by six tenths 110 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: of one percent. US stocks fifty futures are high at 111 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: a tenth of one percent this morning, and looking at 112 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: Benchmark Yield's tenure, US treasure yields trading down two basis 113 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: points at four point two percent. 114 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: Well after our conversation yesterday Caroline with the Lloyd's of 115 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: London CEO. Another story about insurance caught my eye this morning, 116 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 2: and it's actually to do with how much the skyrocketing 117 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: cost of home insurance in the US. It's dictating where 118 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: people can live. So at one end of the scale 119 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: you have the likes of exclusive enclaves in Miami, Star Island, 120 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: premium running to as high as six hundred and twenty 121 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year. But rates and Florida have actually 122 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: tripled in the past three years and insurers are pulling 123 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: back from the state. This is to do with the 124 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: risks increase risks linked to climate change, more hurricanes, more flooding, 125 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: meaning it's more expensive and a lot of people are 126 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: actually having to move out of neighborhoods because they can't 127 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 2: afford the insurance on their homes. 128 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: I do think that this is something new, This is 129 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: something that the insurance industry only just now in the 130 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: world has really begun to grapple with. Yes, I think 131 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: the boss of Lloyd's of London was so interesting. He 132 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: was saying to us when he talked to us about 133 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: the results, that prices have gone up nine percent. But 134 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: he pointed out, for example, that we saw a hurricane 135 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: in California for the first time since nineteen thirty five. 136 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: But I think that you know, Europe is still very 137 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: much underinsured. I mean, in the US it's sort of 138 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: common to understand that there are extreme weather events less 139 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: so I think still in Europe. 140 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: But insurance broker is in this story saying that if 141 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: you only had a twenty percent increase in your house 142 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: insurance this year you were doing well, and that some 143 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: people are facing increases of up to eight hundred percent 144 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: when it comes to renew their premiums as well. So 145 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: certainly a really interesting story to watch as we are 146 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: thinking about how these major weather events might affect the 147 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: future of insurance and as I said, where people can 148 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: afford to live. Now, it's not just house prices that 149 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: are influencing that. 150 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, So that's a story that caught our eye. 151 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: But of course we have to think about what's going 152 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: on geopolitically as well. This morning, let's get more on 153 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: this weekend's G twenty summit. So the US President Joe 154 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: Biden will attend the event in Delhi, but he won't 155 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: be meeting with China's Premier Lee. Leaders are expected to 156 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: discuss issues from the economy, to food security and so 157 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: much more. Bloomberg opinion columnist Karishma Vswani joins us now 158 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: for more. What do you think is actually at stake 159 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: at this G twenty summit? You know, this isn't something 160 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: this market movie, but geopolitically is very significant. 161 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, and in terms of the geopolitics, it really doesn't 162 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 8: get bigger than this in terms of whatsapt state, Caroline, 163 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 8: you know you've got a packed agender in Deli this weekend. 164 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 8: Economic issues, of course always at the top of minds there. 165 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 8: Climate change a key concern as well. Restructuring of multilateral 166 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 8: development banks like the World Bank, for in since also 167 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 8: really important. And there's a lot of push and pull 168 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 8: on all of these issues, frankly, Caroline, because of course 169 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 8: you have emerging nations who are hoping to get more 170 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 8: funding from the rich ones and that's just one of 171 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 8: the issues that's got this club of twenty countries divided. 172 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 8: There's also obviously the Ukraine War, and I think it's 173 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 8: worth saying, you know, Caroline, I was at the last 174 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 8: G twenty in Bali. This was a major sticking point 175 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 8: at that point as well. At that time, the host 176 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 8: Indonesia was pushing nations to get some sort of consensus 177 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 8: through on the language for that final communicate, which they 178 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 8: managed to do in a quite hurrid fashion. In fact, 179 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 8: it's not clear whether that's going to happen this time 180 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,239 Speaker 8: round with host India, and if they don't get a communicate, 181 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 8: it's pretty significant. It would be the first time in 182 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 8: the history of the G twenty that that doesn't happen. 183 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 2: Yes, that's me. We'll be watching for very closely as well. 184 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: We've had a lot of focus on who's attending this 185 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: meeting at Christmas shooting Ping not there. How significant is that? 186 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 8: I don't think you can get away from the fact 187 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 8: that this is pretty significant, right. I mean, you know, 188 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 8: he's the leader of the world's second largest economy. He's 189 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 8: a huge international player, and I was just writing about 190 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 8: this in a column for Bloomberg Opinion this week. In fact, 191 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 8: and as much as India and the US try and 192 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 8: downplay this, it's you know, you can't get away from 193 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 8: the fact that not having Si Jinping at the G 194 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 8: twenty summit isn't just bad for China, it's bad for 195 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 8: the rest of us, because this relationship between the US 196 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 8: and China arguably is the most pivotal of our time, 197 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 8: and relationships take time, they take effort, they take face 198 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 8: to face contact. There was the expectation, I think there 199 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 8: was the hope that Xi Jinping and Joe Biden would 200 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 8: actually meet at the G twenty. That's not going to happen. 201 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 8: There's now some doubts, some speculation about whether Shei Jinping 202 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 8: will attend Apek, another possible opportunity for the two leaders 203 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 8: to meet again, possibly not happening. When you have these 204 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 8: two players not sitting down to have a conversation the 205 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 8: way they did at the G twenty in Bali, it 206 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 8: must be said, it's really dangerous for the rest of us, 207 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 8: and particularly because it's happening at a time of the 208 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 8: Chinese economic slowdown and also signs that China is turning 209 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 8: more inward and more comfortable with countries that are more 210 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 8: welcoming to it. 211 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: But what do you think the message from Narendra Modi 212 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: will be India hosting this summit and clearly wanting, you know, 213 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: to make a major statement about its future economically. 214 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's such a good point, Caroline, because of course 215 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 8: India is trying to position itself as the other important 216 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 8: rising Asian power, and it has to be said, economically 217 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 8: it is doing well. You know, it's managed to pull 218 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 8: together all of these nations at the G twenty summit. 219 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 8: It's sort of India's coming out party, if you will, 220 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 8: and particularly for Narendromody, it's hugely important ahead of that 221 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 8: election year. But I think trying to bring all of 222 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 8: these competing voices together. Notwithstanding that, India also has a 223 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 8: bit of a credibility problem because you know, on the 224 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 8: one hand, it's saying that it's this rising Asian power, 225 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 8: it is the bulwark against China, it is the ally 226 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 8: or the partner rather of the West. But at the 227 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 8: same time it has this rather weird, I mean, there's 228 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 8: no other word for it, relationship that it continues to 229 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 8: have with Russia. And that is problematic because it is 230 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 8: supposed to be this Western partner, being in the Quad 231 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 8: for instance, But at the same time it doesn't condemn 232 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 8: the Ukraine War. At the United Nations, it abstains from votes, 233 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 8: and it hasn't joined US led sanctions against Russia. So, 234 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 8: you know, frankly, it's a really difficult line for India 235 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 8: to tread and to balance. The other big thing, of course, 236 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 8: is it's trying to be the voice of the global South, 237 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 8: but it's got big competition. China's not going to let 238 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 8: that happen. 239 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: Karishma Karishma Varswani, our new Bloomberg opinion columnists, thank you 240 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. We've known each other for 241 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: many years. Karishma. I'm delighted that you're with us on 242 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio the Debut Conversation, but many more to come. 243 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: Let's bring you the latest now. In a story that 244 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: we brought you on the program last week, a little 245 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: known London based parts supplier that was supplying aircraft spare 246 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 2: parts with documents that were falsified, Bloomberg has now found 247 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: that even the employees that claim to work at the 248 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: company on LinkedIn may also be fake. Our senior reporters 249 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 2: that Dart Phillip joins us now for the details of 250 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: this story and said, just bring us, first of all, 251 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: a little bit of the background around this to remind 252 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: us what exactly is AOG Technicus and what do they do. 253 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 9: Yes, So, EOG Techniques is a little known company that 254 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 9: I didn't really know much about until last week when 255 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 9: we broke that story about how they were sort of 256 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 9: involved in documentation that's fraudulent for buds. So essentially every 257 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 9: single aircraft bat that's sold around the world has documentation 258 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 9: and certification behind it to prove that it's genuine, as 259 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 9: the industry is like one of the most certified industries 260 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 9: in the world, and EOG Techniques was one of those 261 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 9: suppliers in the mix of it, and they were falsifying 262 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 9: records for some jet engine parts which are crucial, including 263 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 9: engine turbine blades. And so essentially the regulators are looking 264 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 9: into this now and trying to see what the extent 265 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 9: of the problem was and how much how pervasive the 266 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 9: issue is. 267 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a staggering story, you know, something absolutely 268 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: new and choosally important for the industry. How is it discovered? 269 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: What are the regulators saying, because it's a number of 270 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: regulators absolutely. 271 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 9: I mean so the CAA in the UK is looking 272 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 9: into it, ESA is looking into it. We understand that 273 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 9: the US regulars are looking into it, and essentially everyone's 274 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 9: trying to see what the extent of this issue is 275 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 9: because the company's been around since twenty fifteen and we 276 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 9: know that at least some of the parts include turbine 277 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 9: blades that we wrote about a couple of days ago, 278 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 9: And essentially for the aviation industry, where trust and certification 279 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 9: is everything, this is a massive issue and or every 280 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 9: one of trying to stamp it out. 281 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: Talk to us about the later strand of the story 282 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: that we're reporting on you're reporting on today, which is 283 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: to do with the people who purport it to be 284 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: employees of this company. 285 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 7: Yeah. 286 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 9: Absolutely, This was actually a fascinating look into sort of 287 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 9: the profiles of the people who work there. And so 288 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 9: if you go onto LinkedIn the chief the purported chief 289 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 9: commercial officer of the company is someone called ray Kuog, 290 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 9: and ray Quog's picture is a stock photograph. And similarly 291 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 9: for other employees of the company, where we did reverse 292 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 9: image searches and we found that their images go from 293 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 9: anywhere from a dementia care specialist as well a dentist's 294 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 9: dentist practice blog, all sorts of things, and so the 295 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 9: company may have sort of built up its reputation citing 296 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 9: people who don't actually work there. 297 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, what's next then? Potentially in this story, what 298 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: are you watching out for? 299 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 9: We're looking to see what the the sort of scale 300 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 9: of the problem is, to be honest, because I think 301 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 9: at the moment we don't have a fix on how 302 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 9: big and how COVASI of the issue is, how many 303 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 9: aircraft might be potentially infected, and what regulators sort of 304 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 9: measures will be digging in terms of regulator's action and 305 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 9: sort of prosecution if possible, because this is a pretty 306 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 9: serious issue for the industry. 307 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 308 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Streets and beyond. 309 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 310 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 311 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 312 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 313 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 314 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa devices. 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