WEBVTT - Make Up or Break Up: Will Trump and Musk Merge?

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. Well, Elon Musk is

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<v Speaker 1>now the richest person on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>More than half the satellites in space are owned and

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<v Speaker 2>controlled by one man.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he's a legitimate, super genius, legitimate.

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<v Speaker 2>He says.

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<v Speaker 3>He's always voted for Democrats, but this year it will

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<v Speaker 3>be different.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll vote Republican.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a reason the US government is so reliant

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<v Speaker 1>on him.

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<v Speaker 3>Elon Musk is a scam artist and he's done nothing

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<v Speaker 3>of him anything he does, he's fascinating people. We built

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<v Speaker 3>the factory here in less time than it would have

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<v Speaker 3>taken to get THEE permits in California.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Elon, Inc, Bloomberg's weekly show about all things

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk. It's Tuesday, March twelfth. I'm Max Chafkin in

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<v Speaker 1>for David Popadopolis. You just heard Elon Musk talking about

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<v Speaker 1>his newly adopted state, Texas. This podcast is headed there.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Austin for the South by Southwest conference this week where

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing a live show about all things Musk in Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>So today we've got a really interesting shorter episode featuring

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Green, who's Business Week's politics writer. And then on

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday you can come right back to this feed and

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<v Speaker 1>get the full length Texas sized episode from Austin. Last week,

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<v Speaker 1>Elon took his jet to Florida, where he met with

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump to talk about, among other things, money. The

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<v Speaker 1>world's second richest man is of great interest to the

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<v Speaker 1>Republican presidential contender, as Trump's fundraising has struggled in comparison

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<v Speaker 1>to President Biden's and Elon of course has taken a

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<v Speaker 1>very strong, almost obsessive, you might say, interest in US

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<v Speaker 1>politics and seems very sympathetic to Trump's ideas and ideology

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<v Speaker 1>and politics. And we've the perfect guest to talk about this,

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Green, BusinessWeek's politics writer. He has a new book

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<v Speaker 1>that you should check out.

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<v Speaker 3>The Rebels.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh also wrote pretty much the defining book about the

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<v Speaker 1>rise of Donald Trump. It's called Devil's Bargain. Josh is

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<v Speaker 1>here to talk about the complicated relationship between Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>and Trump. Josh, thanks for coming on, Elon.

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<v Speaker 2>Ink great to be with you.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, So what is.

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<v Speaker 1>The status of the Elon Musk Donald Trump relationship?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean they have a long and interesting relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Trump and Trump's White House has always been

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<v Speaker 2>fascinated by Elon. During the transition, right after Trump was

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<v Speaker 2>first elected in twenty sixteen, Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner

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<v Speaker 2>had him into Trump Tower and they wanted him to

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<v Speaker 2>be a kind of an avatar of the new Trump

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<v Speaker 2>administration because they were big into building things in America,

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<v Speaker 2>and Elon was a big automaker who built cool things

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States. And this was at a time

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<v Speaker 2>where like every reputable business didn't want to get within

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred yards of Donald Trump. So they brought in Elon,

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<v Speaker 2>and at one point he was set to chair a

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<v Speaker 2>new kind of committee of industrialists that Trump was putting together.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually had a source and reached out that was

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<v Speaker 2>going to leak this to us at Bloomberg News, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Trump did something awful and Elon kind of backed away.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget what exactly the controversy was. But back then

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<v Speaker 2>Elon still cared about kind of maintaining a good reputation

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<v Speaker 2>with kind of non right wing, non maga America. But

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<v Speaker 2>over the last for eight years, he's obviously traveled on

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<v Speaker 2>this pretty extraordinary political journey. Musk has and Trump has too.

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<v Speaker 2>He's back, He's going to be the GOP nominee, and

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<v Speaker 2>he now very badly needs one thing that Elon has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of, and that is money. You know, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has had an easy run through the Republican primaries, but

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<v Speaker 2>he has a big problem. He only has about thirty

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars. Four years ago at this time he had

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<v Speaker 2>abo one hundred million dollars, and I think he views

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<v Speaker 2>Elon as somebody who could easily fund his campaign, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he's had him down twice. Now I think tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>lago to kind of sweet talk him and hopes that

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<v Speaker 2>Elon will jump on board the Trump train.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and of course, I mean, unlike most people who

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<v Speaker 1>are near the top of the Bloomberg billionaire's list, Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk is not averse to these kind of far extreme

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<v Speaker 1>right wing politics. There's obviously like a close ideological connection

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. Just to go back to that, to

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<v Speaker 1>the history you're talking about, so, as I remember, there

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<v Speaker 1>were Tesla customers that were really mad about Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>border policy, and I think back then he might have

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<v Speaker 1>been worried about what would the blowback be for customers,

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<v Speaker 1>But of course, as you point out now that there's

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<v Speaker 1>no risk of that for Elon Musk, right. He's on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter every day essentially tweeting things that are pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>to white nationalism, lots of border panic, lots of concern

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<v Speaker 1>about minority groups.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very much.

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<v Speaker 1>The same thing that Donald Trumps saying from the campaign trail.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's right. I mean I think two

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<v Speaker 2>things have happened to bring us to where we are now.

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<v Speaker 2>One is that Trump has been normalized to a large degree.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was elected in twenty sixteen, corporate America didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to have anything to do with him at all,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was a real humiliation and embarrassment to Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>who wants nothing more than to be seen as important

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<v Speaker 2>and genuflected to, especially by kind of sexy business leaders

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<v Speaker 2>like the tech industry. There's a famous meeting Elon was

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<v Speaker 2>at it during the transition where Trump flew all these

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<v Speaker 2>people and he was really hoping they would get on board,

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<v Speaker 2>and they didn't. Now you see a lot more corporate

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<v Speaker 2>business types and tech especially tech types, CosIng up to Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the same time, you have people like Elon

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<v Speaker 2>who have been fully red pilled and now kind of

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<v Speaker 2>spout a lot of the MAGA immigration great replacement conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're really kind of Peas in a pod at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, that's something that Trump wants to take advantage of.

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<v Speaker 1>So totally Peas and the pop politically, but maybe interpersonally,

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly the best relationship. We have some tape of

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump talking about his you know, potential new friend

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<v Speaker 1>and campaign savior, Elon Musk.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he's got himself a mess, you know. He said

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<v Speaker 3>the other day. Oh, I've never voted for a Republican.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I didn't know that. He told me voted

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<v Speaker 3>for me. So he's another post artist. But he's not

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<v Speaker 3>going to be buying it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not going to be buying it, although he might later,

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<v Speaker 1>who hell knows what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got a pretty rotten contract. I looked at his contract,

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<v Speaker 3>not a good contract. But he's got sign up for

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<v Speaker 3>Truth and I mean separately.

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<v Speaker 1>He went on Truth Social, which, of course as a

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<v Speaker 1>competitor to Elon Musk's social network. Said when Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>came to the White House asking me for help on

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<v Speaker 1>his many subsidized projects, whether it's electric cars that don't

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<v Speaker 1>drive long enough, for driverless cars that crash, or rocket ship,

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<v Speaker 1>said nowhere I could have said, drop to your knees

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<v Speaker 1>and bag and he would have done it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's like, really some harsh stuff here.

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<v Speaker 1>Elon, meanwhile, has also said some not so nice things

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<v Speaker 1>to Trump, although probably not quite as sharps is that

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I don't hate the man, but it's time

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<v Speaker 1>for Trump to hang up his hat and sail off

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<v Speaker 1>into the sunset.

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<v Speaker 3>He also told Walter Isaacson that.

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<v Speaker 1>That Trump was one of the best bullshters ever, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think coming from Musk, maybe both an insult and

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<v Speaker 1>a compliment, but needless to say, they don't get along

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<v Speaker 1>super well, no they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>And also look, I mean the thing that was noticed

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<v Speaker 2>by Trump was that Elon basically went out and supported

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<v Speaker 2>Ron DeSantis, his arch enemy in the primaries, and then

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<v Speaker 2>when DeSantis crashed and burned, flirted with Vivic Ramaswami. So

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of love lost here. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>problem for both of them is that they both have

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<v Speaker 2>this burning need to be the center of attention, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it's almost like when you put two opposite magnets

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<v Speaker 2>against each other, like there's just this kind of natural pushback.

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<v Speaker 2>As Steve Bannon once told me, Donald Trump doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>any co stars and I think the danger of bringing

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk in too closely is that, look, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that generates a lot of attention, has a huge

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<v Speaker 2>social media file, and has the constant attention of the

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<v Speaker 2>news media. The problem for Trump, though, is he needs money.

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<v Speaker 2>He needs a sugar daddy, and he is looking at

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk to be that sugar daddy. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>that has gone wrong in Trump's world over the last

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<v Speaker 2>year or so. I mean, Number one, he has enormous

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<v Speaker 2>legal problems and that's really really expensive. And what's happened

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<v Speaker 2>is he's gotten the Republican National Committee in a super

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<v Speaker 2>pack basically to pay his legal bills. So donors don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to give money to Trump because they know it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to elect Republicans, it's going to pay Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>legal bills. The donors wound up spending fifty million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>on Trump's legal bills last year. I just checked the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>For January, they spent another five million. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has driven off the Republican Party's best fundraiser, former

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<v Speaker 2>House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, who's now gone. He also just

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<v Speaker 2>got rid of the head of the Republican National Committee,

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald McDaniel. And so there's like a real big problem

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<v Speaker 2>that Elon could if he wanted to solve for Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>by giving him a big chunk of money. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think if he were willing to do that, Trump would

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<v Speaker 2>overlook the slights, the support for destatus and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>But Trump is Trump, and he can't bring himself to

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<v Speaker 2>beg maybe not even to ask Elon.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, after the New York Times reported and then I

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<v Speaker 1>think Bloomberg and some other outlets have also reported on

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<v Speaker 1>this this meeting, Elon tweeted that he's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>donate to either candidate. So, in other words, essentially it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed trying to deny these reports or to play them

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<v Speaker 1>down at the least.

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<v Speaker 3>Should we look at that as the last word?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there are other avenues that he could.

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<v Speaker 2>Donate, Yeah, exactly. No, that's not really the issue here.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're limited by law to donating I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's three three hundred dollars to candidates. That's not really

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<v Speaker 2>what Trump is looking for. What he's looking for is

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<v Speaker 2>for Elon to give fifty million or one hundred million,

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<v Speaker 2>or why not a billion dollars to his superpack to

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<v Speaker 2>one of these places where there is no limits, that

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<v Speaker 2>can then go pay off his lawyers help him with

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<v Speaker 2>all his legal problems. Judge in New York Is just

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<v Speaker 2>forced them to put up three or four hundred million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in bonds. And also, Republicans need to hold on

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<v Speaker 2>to Congress if they win the White House and want

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<v Speaker 2>to get anything done. So the RNC needs money, the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate needs money, the House needs money. All of these

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans running need money. Traditionally, the great fundraiser for a

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<v Speaker 2>party is its presidential candidate. But Trump just doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to do that because nobody nobody trusted

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<v Speaker 2>with money anymore. They don't trust that he's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to turn around and hand it to his lawyers.

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<v Speaker 1>So are there already, like people within the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>magaverse trying to figure out which super pack he might

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<v Speaker 1>donate to, or like, are Republican operatives already salvating I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you start saying like tens of millions or hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of millions or even a billion dollars, I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>could be a huge windfall for lots of people, right

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<v Speaker 1>it could.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there are a couple of you know, sort

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<v Speaker 2>of Trump endorsed super packs. They're supposed to be separate.

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<v Speaker 2>But the way it works in politics is you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like wink wink and say, boy, I'm really impressed

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<v Speaker 2>with the Save America pack, and then everybody knows, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the pack that has Trump's blessing, like we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to give money there. The problem is a Save America

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<v Speaker 2>pack sluiced fifty million dollars in its donations to pay

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's legal bills last year. So really all it is

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<v Speaker 2>is like a slush fund for Trump's lawyers. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>that's obviously that's just a hard sell for MAGA donors.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody wants to think that they're basically just paying Trump's lawyers,

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<v Speaker 2>even like kind of hardcore MAGA fans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we you talked about some of the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of similarities between Musk and Trump, Right, they both like

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<v Speaker 1>being center retention, they're both very provocative. They're also both

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<v Speaker 1>cheap and Trump, of course sort of historically, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't like to pay his bills, right Elon Musk kind

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<v Speaker 1>of similar you know, his one of his big things

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<v Speaker 1>at Tesla and SpaceX is essentially trying to squeeze suppliers

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<v Speaker 1>at you know, talking to somebody who who wants to

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<v Speaker 1>sell them a rocket part for one hundred dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>saying hey, how about I pay twenty five? So my

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<v Speaker 1>question is what would Elon get out of this, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the argument that Trump could make or what

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<v Speaker 1>is the threat he could make?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess well, look, I think the argument Trump could

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<v Speaker 2>make is, hey, I follow your tweets and you are

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<v Speaker 2>obviously like you've gone full maga. We have to keep

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden and the evil liberals out of the White House.

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<v Speaker 2>Come support my candidacy and things will be great for you.

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<v Speaker 2>The other threat he could make is to say, hey, Elon,

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<v Speaker 2>look at the polls. I'm going to be the next president,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you don't give me money, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>cancel all your government contracts and make life hell for you.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think there's a more creative answer to that question. Max. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk has a dying property in Twitter or ex

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever you want to call it these days, like

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's on there. Remember when Elon took over, he reinstated

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump's account, and Trump hasn't used that. So, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're Elon and you need engagement and you need people

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<v Speaker 2>getting on there. Maybe he goes to mar A Lago

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<v Speaker 2>and says, the price of my financial support is you

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump getting back on Twitter and tweeting like a

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<v Speaker 2>madman the way you did back in twenty sixteen. That

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<v Speaker 2>will drive all kinds of eyeballs and attention to Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>It will get Elon Musk more the attention that he wants,

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<v Speaker 2>and it will also be beneficial to Donald Trump because

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<v Speaker 2>not only will he have some money in his war

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<v Speaker 2>chest to pay off the lawyers, but it'll also have,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, be back to having all the attention he

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<v Speaker 2>did from cable news, from the media back in the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of golden era of twenty sixteen when he first

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<v Speaker 2>took over Twitter by storm.

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<v Speaker 3>I love this sery.

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<v Speaker 1>I've thought about Trump runs this competing platform. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure the market is big enough for two trolling right

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<v Speaker 1>wing social networks. You know, Elon Musk is eventually going

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<v Speaker 1>to need to take Twitter public to give his investors

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of exit truth social has this spack? Why

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<v Speaker 1>why stop at just having Donald Trump tweet?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? Look, these are two distressed assets in Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>and Elon Musk, and maybe what they need to do

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<v Speaker 2>is perform a merger that each can convince will be

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<v Speaker 2>good for themselves and we will probably turn out to

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<v Speaker 2>be a disaster for America, but certainly something to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>And and I know Trump wants it to happen, so

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<v Speaker 2>I think the balls and Elon's court and will have

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<v Speaker 2>to wait.

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<v Speaker 3>To So okay, so let's we'll start to wrap up.

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<v Speaker 1>But just just looking ahead, I'm kind of curious, So

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<v Speaker 1>how big a deal politically would an Elon Musk endorsement

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<v Speaker 1>or a big.

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<v Speaker 3>Check like like will he have?

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<v Speaker 1>Does he become an important surrogate or somebody who Trump

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<v Speaker 1>you know will okay, yeah, no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not all.

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<v Speaker 3>Anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody who is an Elon Musk fanboy, if they even vote,

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<v Speaker 2>is by definition I think a maga voter. Maybe on

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<v Speaker 2>the margins. If Elon launched a register to vote campaign,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you could move the numbers on the margins. But

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk is not going to persuade independence and soft

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats to vote for Donald Trump. I think his only

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<v Speaker 2>real contribution, at least the Trump world views it this way,

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<v Speaker 2>is money, and the fact that he has a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it makes him a tantalizing target. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's why he keeps getting invited back tomorrow longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, great, well let's leave it there again.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna keep following this.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully we'll have Josh back on to discuss, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>any any possible Elon Musk Donald Trump deals, and also

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<v Speaker 1>just to talk about the state of the race because

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<v Speaker 1>of course X is gonna play a role here. Elon

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<v Speaker 1>could potentially play a role and I think there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a lot to pay attention to, So Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very.

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<v Speaker 2>Much, Gonna be with it.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was produced by Stacy Wong. Naomi Shaven and

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<v Speaker 1>Rayhan Harmasi are senior editors.

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<v Speaker 3>The idea for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Very show also came from Rayhn Blake Maple's Handles Engineering,

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<v Speaker 1>and we get special editing assistants from Jeff Grocott. Our

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<v Speaker 1>supervising producer is Magnus Hendrickson and thanks a bunch to

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<v Speaker 1>Joel Weber. The Elon ing theme is written and performed

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<v Speaker 1>by Taku Yasuzawa and Alex Sagierra. Our executive producer is

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<v Speaker 1>Brendan Francis Newman. Sage Bauman is the head of Bloomberg Podcasts.

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