Speaker 1: Look, may oh, I see you. Look over there is
Speaker 1: that loutre yess Lo ding Dong Lossta's calling. Not only
Speaker 1: did I get the memo, but our guests like auspiciously
Speaker 1: showed up in denim. Let's just say we're all on
Speaker 1: the same page today. It's going to be a good
Speaker 1: It's I'm radically optimistic about it. Eye contact, eye contact,
Speaker 1: eye contact, down the barrel. We were sent to the
Speaker 1: album and it is my favorite. That's my favorite one.
Speaker 2: It is Why what do you mean?
Speaker 3: Was I like surprised? Was I was that supposed to
Speaker 3: be an introduction?
Speaker 1: I don't even think we need to intro. I don't
Speaker 1: think we need what can we say?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just so happy.
Speaker 1: First of all, you should be very happy about what
Speaker 1: you would be about what you've done to our lives. Yeah, quickly, quickly,
Speaker 1: quick intro Grammy brit Award winning Icon. Both of her
Speaker 1: prior albums are to most streamed albums by female artist ever.
Speaker 1: She's headlining Glastonbury this summer at the end of June.
Speaker 1: You're at stage. That makes me so happy. And also
Speaker 1: I was at Coachella last weekend. And if you don't
Speaker 1: think I'm bullying you to do Coachella next year as
Speaker 1: a headliner. Don't worry everyone, I've got your back out there.
Speaker 1: Where this is a bully episode. This is an episode
Speaker 1: in doing what we want, gay man, she hasn't given
Speaker 1: us enough, Like I was getting in the words of
Speaker 1: emotional on the way here. Yeah, because I thought of
Speaker 1: that club future nostalgia.
Speaker 4: The first time I met our guests was when she
Speaker 4: was at SNL and we were like talking over the schedules,
Speaker 4: like you're going to be grinding on me as like
Speaker 4: you know, a wartime nurse.
Speaker 1: SNL conversation.
Speaker 4: By the way, club future nostalgia, that entire special kind
Speaker 4: of the first like concert adjacent experience I had in
Speaker 4: the pandemic, right, I mean, and I looked urning her
Speaker 4: eyes and I was like, thank you so much for that,
Speaker 4: By the way. That was the highlight of that like November.
Speaker 4: I was like, it made me feel like I was
Speaker 4: at the club for the first time in months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh, oh my god, this is remember that
Speaker 1: New Year's Yeah, that was like pandemic New Year's. We
Speaker 1: were like it was us like six of our friends
Speaker 1: and Dua and Doua yeah, and Kylie. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know her best from her performance as Marjorie on
Speaker 1: s and I know her best from that for top credit.
Speaker 4: By the time this comes out, she will be hosting
Speaker 4: this week, Yeah, on May fourth. We're so excited to
Speaker 4: have her there and here. Everyone welcome to a lava.
Speaker 1: Shocked that it's my.
Speaker 3: Favorite, Well, I just love that it's your favorite's my favorite.
Speaker 2: I'm just getting these early reviews to me.
Speaker 3: It's not out yet, not so many people have heard it,
Speaker 3: so it makes me really happy that you love it.
Speaker 1: Such a party the whole time, like we love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, also like these walls like that song. I
Speaker 1: feel like Dolly Parton would be proud of them.
Speaker 4: It's a country song, It's yeah, you think it has
Speaker 4: the structure and the storytelling of a country song the
Speaker 4: way Yeah, well.
Speaker 2: My gosh.
Speaker 3: Now when I listen to that song, I look at
Speaker 3: it really fondly.
Speaker 2: But it was like a hard song to write in
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 3: I bet it's really that kind of personifying the wolves
Speaker 3: and understanding how much more they know about you than
Speaker 3: almost you do yourself. It's like they see everything in
Speaker 3: a way, and they know the breakup and they know
Speaker 3: when something's bad for you before you know something's bad
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 4: Wow, that it's imbued with all this like knowledge or something, or.
Speaker 2: Like, imagine what these Wolves have had.
Speaker 1: I know what you've had. So wait, when you're writing
Speaker 1: a song like These Walls, though, it has to be
Speaker 1: hard to write because like, are you experiencing that emotion
Speaker 1: as you're writing it, or are you someone that like
Speaker 1: writes down what they're feeling and then later you'll return
Speaker 1: to it to like musicalize it, or are you putting
Speaker 1: your emotions into the work as you're feeling them.
Speaker 2: I guess for this.
Speaker 3: Album it was very much like a Dear Diary, But
Speaker 3: These Wolves was a feeling that I'd previously experienced and
Speaker 3: then I was reliving it and writing it down.
Speaker 4: You have I think my favorite and I'm not just
Speaker 4: being superlative because zero in front of us, but the
Speaker 4: song Exploder episode of Love Again So Good is incredible
Speaker 4: because I'm just like this, this feels like such an
Speaker 4: intimate look into like the way you were writing for
Speaker 4: Future Nostalgia, but I feel like I can like extrapolate
Speaker 4: it to this where I'm like, oh, you're basically working
Speaker 4: with just three people mostly you really pared back the
Speaker 4: team on this for radical optimism in a way that
Speaker 4: I was like, this must be so intentional. This is
Speaker 4: such a nice focused way of like writing an album
Speaker 4: like this, especially in like a follow up to like
Speaker 4: this amazing moment in your career with future nostalgia, Like
Speaker 4: what was it like zeroing in on like Danny and
Speaker 4: Kevin and Caroline too, Like who's like the through line?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it was definitely intentional because I was so
Speaker 3: almost jealous of hearing stories about bands going into the
Speaker 3: studio and honing in on certain songs, and it would
Speaker 3: be like they would start a song and then the
Speaker 3: next day they would work on something else and then
Speaker 3: go back to it. And I always felt like I
Speaker 3: pressured myself or never gave myself that luxury of going
Speaker 3: back to a song. It was like a song a day.
Speaker 3: I had to just keep writing and just see what happens.
Speaker 3: And this time around, I kind of never let a
Speaker 3: good idea die in a way like I would start
Speaker 3: something and I'd be like, Okay, we have something good here,
Speaker 3: and then if we wanted to move on to something
Speaker 3: just to keep the flow going, we would change onto
Speaker 3: another song and then go back to it. And we
Speaker 3: did so many rewrites, and we just built the songs
Speaker 3: in that way, and we just as Kevin likes to
Speaker 3: call it, we were just more of like a spiritual band,
Speaker 3: Like we just kind of would come in together and
Speaker 3: we would all just bring in our ideas and just flow,
Speaker 3: and there was no formula for the songs. It was
Speaker 3: very much like a free flowing writing session. And I
Speaker 3: think that just kind of came with a bit of confidence.
Speaker 3: Like before with all my other songs, it was like
Speaker 3: whatever I wrote that day, with maybe some minor tweaks,
Speaker 3: Like the demo was pretty much like what ended up
Speaker 3: being what everyone heard. I would just go in and
Speaker 3: re record the vocal with some minor lyrical changes, Whereas
Speaker 3: this time around, I felt confident enough that I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm a good enough songwriter that I can go in
Speaker 3: and make this better or change this up or add
Speaker 3: to the story. M I guess in a way that
Speaker 3: I didn't think I could before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of like genre, I feel like in
Speaker 1: listening to this, like we listened to it together the
Speaker 1: other night, and like the highest compliment I can muster,
Speaker 1: it's kind of giving like ray of Light era, Like
Speaker 1: it's like pure popow elevated pop, Like I think that
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be like really excited. But I wonder like,
Speaker 1: as someone who has truly earned like this could have
Speaker 1: been an album like that really could have sounded like anything.
Speaker 1: And I wonder in terms of how you were creating
Speaker 1: if you were surprised at like the genres that were
Speaker 1: popping out, because like we were saying, there is almost
Speaker 1: a little bit of country on it, like stuff that's
Speaker 1: really different for you. And I wonder like, was there
Speaker 1: out of everything you wrote, like how do we pare
Speaker 1: down to this?
Speaker 3: I think touring for a whole year a big thing
Speaker 3: to do with it. Like I think I just I
Speaker 3: fell in love so much with the live instrumentation of
Speaker 3: the record of Future Nostalgia while I was performing at live,
Speaker 3: more so than when I listened to the album version,
Speaker 3: and then I was like, Okay, how do I bring
Speaker 3: more of that sonically into radical Optimism?
Speaker 2: And so that's kind of where it began.
Speaker 3: It also was like I was diving into influences of
Speaker 3: Primal Scream and the album Scream, Idelica and Andy weatherall Mix,
Speaker 3: and there's just moments in there that just feel like
Speaker 3: there's just such a freedom to the music and Massive
Speaker 3: Attack and the Porter's Head and it was more of
Speaker 3: an energy of this kind of free flowing melody and
Speaker 3: just letting the song kind of take me wherever. But
Speaker 3: I started writing for Radical Optimism in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: and I didn't get anything that I wanted to put
Speaker 3: on the album until June twenty twenty two. Wow. Really,
Speaker 3: I was writing for a really long time and I
Speaker 3: just felt like I had to write myself into a
Speaker 3: good idea and like sonically, but I guess June was
Speaker 3: my first session that I did with Kevin, Danny Tobias.
Speaker 1: And Caroline Oh Tobias.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And Illusion was the first song we wrote. Basically,
Speaker 3: Kevin came down to London just to do one week
Speaker 3: with us, So Illusion was the first song we did.
Speaker 3: The next day we wrote Happy for You, and the
Speaker 3: next day we wrote what You're Doing. And we were like, Oh,
Speaker 3: we kind of have a.
Speaker 2: Good thing going on here.
Speaker 3: Let's keep writing together, Let's put in some more days,
Speaker 3: Let's do some more stuff. And then we wrote Training
Speaker 3: Season and Houdini and then Friend ch Exit and we
Speaker 3: just kept writing like and it just we just kept flowing,
Speaker 3: and so we just ended up having so much of
Speaker 3: the album together, it was just such great creative chemistry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like not surprised that Illusion was first,
Speaker 1: No Me neither, But I am surprised that Houdini came
Speaker 1: later down the pike because it seems like such a
Speaker 1: Kevin song, such a you song for worse.
Speaker 4: But I feel like that is such a good lead
Speaker 4: single because it kind of is the like topstone of
Speaker 4: the pyramid for the rest of the album in a way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it's definitely got that darker psychedelic like,
Speaker 3: whether it's like the synse or the ambient sounds throughout
Speaker 3: that just kind of take you into a different world
Speaker 3: that separates it from future nostalgia in a way.
Speaker 2: I think that was also the reason.
Speaker 3: Why I wanted that song to come first, because it
Speaker 3: takes you, yeah, somewhere a little bit different.
Speaker 4: I was like shopping for magazines a few years ago
Speaker 4: and off, and I just like looked at a stand.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I was chic.
Speaker 4: Well, I was just like looking at a stand of magazines.
Speaker 4: It's like that place in Larchmont that like, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know the place, you know, there's the one
Speaker 3: with all the all the magazine the magazine and Larche
Speaker 3: one Girl is here.
Speaker 1: And this cover stuck out to me because of these words. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I brought it so I love it. It's pan up.
Speaker 4: It's an architecture magazine, but it just like years ago
Speaker 4: radical optimism.
Speaker 1: Whoa can I give this to you? Okay?
Speaker 4: There's something very very, something very du about this magazine.
Speaker 4: It's like architecture.
Speaker 1: It is. It's like, look at the typeface, like this
Speaker 1: is so the album.
Speaker 2: This is the album.
Speaker 1: Look get that whatever.
Speaker 3: That is not.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 4: It was like scandalizing Dua. It's kind of scandalized, but
Speaker 4: like right, like something see something really aligned with the album,
Speaker 4: and like I feel like there is something synergetic.
Speaker 1: We were doing a Cowboy Carter episode.
Speaker 2: That's funny, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: This is even good. This is even album cover.
Speaker 2: Amazing. Anyway.
Speaker 4: Two, this was like a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 4: I feel like we were talking about Cowboy Carter and
Speaker 4: we were talking about how like Beyonce is this like
Speaker 4: utopian artist. But I was like, when we were listening
Speaker 4: to the album the other night, I thought to myself,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, there's something about Dua that is
Speaker 4: also like completely.
Speaker 1: Hopeful, completely You're a lifter. Even with future nostalgia, you're
Speaker 1: an upper is an upper, especially Real Culture number ninety four,
Speaker 1: he was an upper. Crush her up, Yeah, crush her
Speaker 1: up anyway, No cut that, cut that out.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: Like, even such a nostalgia in that title, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is implying that there will be a future in
Speaker 4: which we can celebrate this work and look back on
Speaker 4: it and be like, oh my god, remember when this
Speaker 4: came out? Immediately that album has the sentimental value, right,
Speaker 4: like we all will forever associate that album with, oh
Speaker 4: my god, what's happening in the world. At least we
Speaker 4: have this at least, like I remember, like our friends
Speaker 4: like on Instagram, like that week of lockdown in Europe,
Speaker 4: being like guys, at least we have du aleapae the
Speaker 4: album a week early because she loves her fans so
Speaker 4: much and she knows what the world is.
Speaker 1: Doctor dua, doctor dua. You know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: feel like you must identify with this drive of like,
Speaker 1: can I make the world slightly better? Can the point
Speaker 1: of view be like things are gonna be okay?
Speaker 3: I definitely love like that as a point of view
Speaker 3: for sure is something that I always aim for because
Speaker 3: I see music and words I sing as like a mantra.
Speaker 3: And if I'm going to get up on stage and
Speaker 3: sing it every night, I might as well be saying
Speaker 3: something nice, yeah, or something good or something that's going
Speaker 3: to make me feel better, because if I'm going to
Speaker 3: be singing this for a really long time, I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to, you know, drag me back to a bad
Speaker 3: experience or something. Or even if I'm singing about something
Speaker 3: that's danced crying in a way, there's always an optimistic
Speaker 3: flair to it in some way, like that's always really important.
Speaker 3: But this is insane because I was thinking, like radical
Speaker 3: optimism was introduced to me through like the term radical
Speaker 3: optimism through a friend of mine while I was doing
Speaker 3: a talk with him on his podcast, and he was like,
Speaker 3: you know what the world needs is radical optimism. And
Speaker 3: I just lived with it for so on, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I gotta show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that.
Speaker 4: It just but like I had it laid it on
Speaker 4: me the same way where like those words showed up
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my god, why hadn't I
Speaker 4: considered that?
Speaker 1: And that you were walking large mod that you found this.
Speaker 1: I was gonna go to go get him Tiger. But
Speaker 1: then but then the magazine stand stop and you went
Speaker 1: to Sam's Bigels because they are better, don't that's moment
Speaker 1: warring Bigel stores on large mind that Wait, I just
Speaker 1: want to like no, because we're talking about how important
Speaker 1: feels like a crazy word, but it really was like
Speaker 1: to have future nostalgia. Like during the time it came out.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you at the time were like, it's
Speaker 1: the pandemic. I don't want to do this, but I
Speaker 1: feel like a calling to do it because now looking back, like,
Speaker 1: thank god you did that, and I genuinely think it
Speaker 1: will bind you two people forever because they will have
Speaker 1: that connection to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the amount of people that actually I mean
Speaker 3: it is like that's how they connect the album is
Speaker 3: to that time period for sure. But I guess like
Speaker 3: anyone else, like I thought, you know, we'd be in
Speaker 3: it for two weeks or it'd be like a month
Speaker 3: or and then my tour just kept getting pushed and
Speaker 3: pushed and pushed, and it was like two years later
Speaker 3: and I was like, I don't even know if I'm
Speaker 3: going to.
Speaker 1: Go on tour.
Speaker 3: That's when I started writing Radical optimism, but nothing was coming.
Speaker 3: And that was probably because I had to go on
Speaker 3: the Future Nostalgia Tour and do that before I was
Speaker 3: ready to start writing for anything new.
Speaker 4: But was because it was so freewheeling in the process
Speaker 4: of songwriting, like maybe with Kevin and Danny and Tobias
Speaker 4: and Caroline, like naming all these names, but the first
Speaker 4: of all Tobias Jesso Junior. Have you listened to his
Speaker 4: his actual album because he kind of got like swept
Speaker 4: up in the songwriting milliea like with a Dell with
Speaker 4: like when we were young.
Speaker 1: But he has a great solo album that I think
Speaker 1: you would love.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, you gotta check him out. In this
Speaker 1: time of it feels like there is so much new music.
Speaker 1: It feels like every couple of weeks, like there's this
Speaker 1: incredible banger in now coming out. In terms of that,
Speaker 1: like the amount of like volume, what do you attribute
Speaker 1: that to, Like the fact that like everyone feels like
Speaker 1: very creatively juiced right now, Like that feels like that
Speaker 1: way to me. Yeah, for sure, you.
Speaker 2: Don't feel like it's been like that, I guess.
Speaker 3: To me, like I feel like there's such a heavy
Speaker 3: influx of music and artists, and I think like streaming
Speaker 3: has made it possible to just constantly discover so many
Speaker 3: people from all around the world.
Speaker 2: I've never seen it more.
Speaker 1: Than yeah years. Yeah, yeah, it definitely feels like I mean,
Speaker 1: I was, like I was at Coachella, like I said,
Speaker 1: about a week and a half ago, and I remember
Speaker 1: leaving and being like music is in such a good
Speaker 1: fun place because everywhere you looked there was something cool
Speaker 1: happening or like someone interesting, Like I found this artist
Speaker 1: Olivia Dean.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I think she's incredible.
Speaker 2: She's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't know of her, and meanwhile, she's
Speaker 1: so divised.
Speaker 2: She perform at Coachell. She did was good, she was great.
Speaker 1: She was in the which is like a more intimate
Speaker 1: you've been to coach amazing.
Speaker 2: I went for a day today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should go for two weeks.
Speaker 2: As you go.
Speaker 3: I went one time because I went to go sing
Speaker 3: a song I did with Martin Garricks years ago, and
Speaker 3: so I went for the day and I explored it
Speaker 3: and I haven't been and I've never performed other than that.
Speaker 3: You must you may, Yeah, I seen that. That's on
Speaker 3: your agenda on my agenda.
Speaker 1: I have an agenda here. There is an agenda, Matt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like it's like that silly thing of like
Speaker 1: when you leave Coachella and have a good time, it
Speaker 1: becomes your personality for like a week and a half afterwards.
Speaker 1: Like I was just like that was so good, and
Speaker 1: everyone was talking about the potential of Doachella. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be confirmed here on Lost Coach today.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that right now unless unless not.
Speaker 2: No, and there's just no plan for it right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe I st okay, wait.
Speaker 3: Glaston but Glaston refers like Glassties my biggest three my life.
Speaker 3: That's like the pinnacle for me. That's something that I've
Speaker 3: dreamt about since forever. And yeah, the more I think
Speaker 3: about it, the more scared and irvous I get. But
Speaker 3: I'm just I just can't believe that I get to
Speaker 3: do it. And I'm so Excited's Friday night because that
Speaker 3: means I can like party on Saturday Sunday exactly.
Speaker 2: But the days roll.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited to have you been to Glaston Breed,
Speaker 3: I'm dying a girl. Maybe this is the this is
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 1: No, honestly, that would be you know, what's funny. We
Speaker 1: talked about going. We talked about going. I know I
Speaker 1: can't this year, I know, going to shooting a film,
Speaker 1: but I can go. Do you have like a iconic
Speaker 1: Glastonbury set that's in your mind of like the top
Speaker 1: or like any festival set that you like really put
Speaker 1: in high regard.
Speaker 4: Oh god, I mean I feel like I can put
Speaker 4: you in Kylie's Glastonbury set, Like on.
Speaker 3: This Kylie's Glastonbury set. I went to go see that
Speaker 3: and it was amazing. It was amazing. She's unbelievable. I
Speaker 3: absolutely love her. But even like Adele's Glastonbury set, like
Speaker 3: I normally go to Glastonbury with my parents and like
Speaker 3: with my friends and it's just like we all roll
Speaker 3: deep and I turn around and my mom's just balling her.
Speaker 1: Eyes to adel Oh my god, it's so.
Speaker 3: Like everyone's just so emotional holding each other and it's
Speaker 3: just beautiful, like the best time ever.
Speaker 4: But I feel like this is the reason I bring
Speaker 4: up Kylie's because I think she's also talked about Glastonbury
Speaker 4: in the same sort of emotional way where it's like,
Speaker 4: oh my god.
Speaker 2: Like my spiritual experience, and for her, she.
Speaker 1: Was like have to go. You have to.
Speaker 3: There's no there's nothing like it. It's its own world
Speaker 3: that you go into. And there's so many different stages
Speaker 3: and so many different artists and so many different worlds
Speaker 3: you can get lost in. Yeah, it's unbelievable, ubel unbelievable.
Speaker 2: You have to go. Like, you're so excited, excited because
Speaker 2: I'm such a fan at the festival.
Speaker 1: Are you rehearsing already like I would imagine like for
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 3: No, I've already like set list, musical direction, what we're doing,
Speaker 3: what it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna look like. I'm really excited.
Speaker 3: And the thing about Gloucester and the way that you,
Speaker 3: I guess kind of make a specially, it's just like
Speaker 3: it's a one off show. You do it once, never
Speaker 3: to be repeated again. That's it that happens that one night.
Speaker 3: So just don't fuck it up.
Speaker 1: It's so exciting like that. Fuck just that stage picture
Speaker 1: alone incredible. What do you mean? I just can't think
Speaker 1: what are you most nervous about?
Speaker 2: Just like holding my ship together?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the best in the bizna to just be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be great.
Speaker 2: I'm strong, i gonna do this. I'm not gonna bawl
Speaker 2: my eyes.
Speaker 1: Out of you. But if you do, you'll funnel it
Speaker 1: in and it'll be incredible.
Speaker 2: It's fine, but yeah, it'll be fun.
Speaker 1: What's like the most moment in the DUA set for Doua?
Speaker 1: Is there a song that you're like that's like, especially
Speaker 1: like your song. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I haven't thought about it in that way.
Speaker 3: I from the new record, like maybe these Wolves.
Speaker 1: It's so I just think about like it's like, it's
Speaker 1: like it's a Glastonberry. It's this like moment that you've
Speaker 1: waited for all your life and it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Every song that I write in the studio, my barometer
Speaker 3: is like, how is this gonna sound like?
Speaker 1: Blast? And the live instrumentation on this album, I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have so much fun doing so Yeah, happy
Speaker 1: for You is gonna of it a very special It's
Speaker 1: so good. And also that feeling the way that that
Speaker 1: song Happy for You ends the album, and especially it
Speaker 1: being titled Radical Optimism. I think that something that's the
Speaker 1: hardest thing to achieve is genuine, genuine, genuine happiness for
Speaker 1: the person.
Speaker 2: Genuine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really the top achievement is genuine by Pony,
Speaker 1: just like that feeling of wow. I saw a picture
Speaker 1: of my ex and his new girlfriend or boyfriend or whatever,
Speaker 1: and I didn't feel like I wanted to throw myself
Speaker 1: off a building. In fact, it was actually I felt
Speaker 1: good about it. Good, like this idea of like, you
Speaker 1: guys look hot together. If my ex and someone else
Speaker 1: ever looked hot together, it would be tough. But to
Speaker 1: get there, to get that.
Speaker 3: Place, it's like even being able to write that for me,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm reaching new levels of maturity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is great.
Speaker 1: You know, both of you are more evolved human beings
Speaker 1: than I am. Ever, that never had that scorch strength
Speaker 1: every time, scorch strength every time. How can you guys
Speaker 1: get over yourselves like that? You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's the ego. I know, it's the ego,
Speaker 4: like superseding all. But I'm like, no, Like, this is
Speaker 4: a huge mistake.
Speaker 1: This is a massive error in judgment for you. It
Speaker 1: will never be right for me. So you're just not
Speaker 1: going to release radical optimism that yours is not going
Speaker 1: to be that well.
Speaker 4: I think the album doesn't really have any bitterness to it.
Speaker 3: I don't think no even like French exit is kind
Speaker 3: of like I hope you understand. Yeah, you're you're hoping
Speaker 3: for someone else to have radical optimism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, slowly, yeah, floating away from a situation. I think, Okay,
Speaker 1: can I say something about Dua?
Speaker 2: I think please?
Speaker 1: I feel like you are what you embody beyond like.
Speaker 4: The music, the work, the writing, the talent, that the
Speaker 4: effortlessness is also taste because I feel like, say it
Speaker 4: with Service ninety five, which is your your editorial platform,
Speaker 4: which I literally I wait for the news level you do.
Speaker 4: I read and I'm like, oh my gosh, she's writing
Speaker 4: about like drag kings this week, she's writing about like
Speaker 4: lesbian bars this week or whatever. I'm like, there is
Speaker 4: like your time, and like you don't have to be
Speaker 4: honest about this, but like how much of that is
Speaker 4: you like looking at like I'm sure you have a
Speaker 4: team of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a team for sure that there is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well I sit.
Speaker 3: In in the right it's not really right in like
Speaker 3: st L, but it's like it's it's a team meeting
Speaker 3: that we would do on a Tuesday and we would
Speaker 3: sit and everybody just kind of brainstorms different ideas and
Speaker 3: it's like Oh, this is interesting, let's dive more into this.
Speaker 3: Or you know, we've done so many different things on
Speaker 3: DRAG and it's like, why don't we make a whole
Speaker 3: issue on that and dive in deeper into that and
Speaker 3: going in and talking to different chefs from around the
Speaker 3: world and getting them to make recipes and all those
Speaker 3: things things that I love and I just want to
Speaker 3: know more about. So this is stuff that keeps me
Speaker 3: curious and excited and learning, and so it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's commission interesting stories from all around the world and
Speaker 3: learn more. So it's fun, but it's a team effort.
Speaker 1: It's a team.
Speaker 4: Effort, of course, but there's like undeniably like your sort
Speaker 4: of like layer on it, like as a reader.
Speaker 2: That's the things that I love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the things that I just want to I'm
Speaker 3: constantly wanting to know and learn more of. Like I
Speaker 3: turned to Service ninety five when I'm like looking for restaurants.
Speaker 1: This to take your own recommendation.
Speaker 2: No, some are mine and then some are like from
Speaker 2: other people that we go in.
Speaker 3: We had like a whole piece on Cairo, and it's like,
Speaker 3: I haven't been to Egypt yet, but I know that
Speaker 3: when I go, I'm going to go and look at
Speaker 3: that and look at those recommendations. So it's really exciting
Speaker 3: to have those bookmark and have something to look forward
Speaker 3: to and something to learn.
Speaker 2: From as well.
Speaker 4: Because I was lucky enough to do at Your Service,
Speaker 4: which is the podcast piece of it, and you were like, oh,
Speaker 4: like give me like seven things, like we do this
Speaker 4: thing where everyone knows a list. I do lists, and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, do it puts together lists. I
Speaker 4: always remember this. I always remember that, like, well, do
Speaker 4: a lipa keeps the list of restaurants in every city?
Speaker 1: I should do this.
Speaker 4: I maintain these lists. And part of Service ninety five
Speaker 4: is like the travel piece, right, It's like that is
Speaker 4: like a huge focus of it. So when I see
Speaker 4: these people say she's in.
Speaker 1: Every city, she's traveling so much, I go, this is
Speaker 1: who she is.
Speaker 3: Literally, it's just in such a big part of me,
Speaker 3: Like I love and when I was touring so much
Speaker 3: of it was like I'm trying to have fun. I
Speaker 3: want to make sure that I can dive into the culture,
Speaker 3: try the different restaurants, see the art that's around, go
Speaker 3: to the different bars, feel the city in a different way,
Speaker 3: Like I don't want to travel the world and then
Speaker 3: lay it down the line and be like, yeah, I've
Speaker 3: been there, I've been there. I've been there, but I
Speaker 3: haven't seen anything. I haven't experienced anything. This way, I
Speaker 3: can like go do all the things, have a lot
Speaker 3: of fun, and then share it with everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love it. I wonder like someone that
Speaker 1: like appears as busy as you do you feel rested
Speaker 1: when you need to feel rested, Like do you feel
Speaker 1: like you prioritize that, because when you're on an album cycle,
Speaker 1: I can imagine it's crazy. I mean, you're doing a
Speaker 1: lot for this and it feels obviously the future nostalgia
Speaker 1: rollout was different because of the pandemic. But I wonder like,
Speaker 1: do you consciously say to yourself like I'm going to
Speaker 1: chill for this period of time or are you like
Speaker 1: someone that's like energized by moving all the time. Like
Speaker 1: I wonder a bit both.
Speaker 3: Like for me this past like I don't know, a
Speaker 3: few months, like I had a couple of weekends off
Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm gonna go to Madrid.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, have fun. You're like him and do that.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm in London.
Speaker 3: It's so easy when you're in Europe because you can
Speaker 3: just like bounce around. I'm gonna get to Paris for
Speaker 3: a weekend.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you.
Speaker 3: Know, go to different restaurants, drink good wine, have fun.
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to just have fun in the midst
Speaker 3: of it. Like I'm working on stop, So why can't
Speaker 3: I just do whatever the fun I want to do
Speaker 3: on the weekend. And so I just I take the
Speaker 3: opportunity whenever I can to do that. But then sometimes
Speaker 3: when everything's like really intense and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'll go into the countryside and do that for two days.
Speaker 3: That's still like a getaway and like doing something and
Speaker 3: going on walks and hikes and stuff, but it's more chilled.
Speaker 2: But I'm an activity. Google calendar is crazy. Oh It's
Speaker 2: my favorite thing, and it's popping off.
Speaker 1: It's full to the.
Speaker 3: Completely every day. I'm busy every day plans. I know
Speaker 3: what I'm doing, I know where I'm going for dinner
Speaker 3: in two weeks time.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not going to be anytime. I'm the same way,
Speaker 1: like when I look at my Google honder and there's
Speaker 1: like a whole white day, like it has nothing on it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, can we do it? Am I going to
Speaker 1: be crazy that day? The day that I'm not. He's
Speaker 1: so bad at that because honestly, I'm in all the
Speaker 1: group chats with him. I know what he's planning. It's
Speaker 1: like he he'll have a few days off and he's like,
Speaker 1: should we do this? Should we do that? Should we
Speaker 1: go here? And I'm like, don't you need to sit down?
Speaker 1: I don't have the self governing peace in my head
Speaker 1: that likes.
Speaker 2: But do you get energized from that? Or do you?
Speaker 2: Then you then why did I do this?
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted. You're gonna see the ills because I'm telling
Speaker 1: the truth with my eyes. If these walls could talk,
Speaker 1: let's check back in after you host, because I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a different thing entirely for you. Obviously you thought
Speaker 1: you were busy. Wait till wait.
Speaker 2: Till Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 3: Week is gonna be man, it's gonna be fun. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be I know. I'm so excited. I've never been
Speaker 3: more excited.
Speaker 1: Always have you always wanted to do it?
Speaker 2: Or this is my dream?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Working towards this hoping that you know I'd get as
Speaker 3: to do double ge.
Speaker 1: I mean your American Glasstow American last all that American
Speaker 1: glass though. Wow, for you to say that about USA now,
Speaker 1: such a company man, you're such a great NBC employee.
Speaker 1: Well you really are an icon, you know. Speaking of icons,
Speaker 1: we turned to you now to ask the central question
Speaker 1: of our podcast, which is du A Lipa. What was
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say culture is for you?
Speaker 1: This formative pop culture moment that you can look back
Speaker 1: and be like, oh yeah, du A Lipa definitely became
Speaker 1: Dua Lipa because of that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: When I was fifteen, I went to a Katy Perry concert.
Speaker 1: Well done, good job, already, we're happy.
Speaker 2: We really about this.
Speaker 1: No, oh, there's a story. There's a story, Okay, tell
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 3: So I went to a Kate Very concert when I
Speaker 3: was fafteen. It was at the hm V Apollo in
Speaker 3: Hammersmith in London, and I was so excited.
Speaker 2: Went early to get.
Speaker 3: To the front of the queue to be in the
Speaker 3: front row, and there was a moment where Katie was
Speaker 3: bringing people up on stage to answer her I.
Speaker 1: Don't know about that, and I, oh my god.
Speaker 2: It was climbing over.
Speaker 1: You were being that girl. It's like it's me.
Speaker 2: And then like one of the dancers like.
Speaker 3: Hold me up, and I get up and I'm like
Speaker 3: dancing and uh it's to Whitney Houston. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I want to dance. It is some bad and we're
Speaker 3: all dancing. It's like the best of my life. My
Speaker 3: friends are in the front. I'm like, I did it.
Speaker 3: I'm up here. And every time now when I get
Speaker 3: off the stage when I finish my show, that's a
Speaker 3: song that I play to keep people dancing at the end.
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to like keep that going. And
Speaker 3: it's so great because when I get off stage, I
Speaker 3: get videos from my whole team of seeing people in
Speaker 3: the crowd carrying on the party and carrying on dancing.
Speaker 3: And that was something that Katie Perry like brought into
Speaker 3: my life. And I just I loved being on that stage.
Speaker 3: I loved being with her. And she was wearing like
Speaker 3: the most amazing like it was California Girls. So she
Speaker 3: was wearing this like sparkly body suit with the yeah
Speaker 3: swellly boob and the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It was. It was just.
Speaker 2: It was just amazing with the blue wig.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is such a good fusion. That was
Speaker 1: ultra moments too, because it's like Katie Perry's concert, like
Speaker 1: giving the ground for I want to dance with somebody,
Speaker 1: and that moment altogether like that, you can see that
Speaker 1: even in your work and your energy and what you
Speaker 1: do that it is about like keeping on dancing, keeping
Speaker 1: the party going, quite literally, so to look back and
Speaker 1: be able to connect that, it has to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's really fun and I think about it
Speaker 3: every time. Every time, every time when that song plays,
Speaker 3: I think about that moment when I was fifteen and
Speaker 3: on stage and that happened.
Speaker 1: Did he know about this?
Speaker 3: Yeah she does. She does this photographic like evidence of this.
Speaker 1: So honestly, Future Nostalgia was giving me teenage dream vibes
Speaker 1: at the time because I remember, like, you had your
Speaker 1: incredible first album, as did she, but then there was
Speaker 1: like that moment. I wonder, could you feel that moment
Speaker 1: and was it like something you expected, like you were
Speaker 1: super proud of Future Nostalgia and kind of knew it
Speaker 1: would do that or.
Speaker 2: I didn't know it would do that.
Speaker 3: It was definitely something because I was at home. Wow,
Speaker 3: you know, people were listening to the album. I didn't
Speaker 3: feel the intensity of I guess the success of it
Speaker 3: and how much people listened to it, and it was
Speaker 3: only when I went on tour and I basically at
Speaker 3: the future Nostalgia tour was all the songs from the
Speaker 3: album and people were singing deep cuts that I probably
Speaker 3: would have never performed in a different scenario had it
Speaker 3: not been that people lived with the album for two
Speaker 3: years that I was like, oh, like, people love this album.
Speaker 1: I want to see yes to the deluxe. I always say,
Speaker 1: oftentimes the deluxe you have.
Speaker 2: To give you everything, some secret bang is yes, if.
Speaker 1: It ain't me. I mean that is the genable of culture. Oftentimes,
Speaker 1: the deluxe album will give you what you want. I'm
Speaker 1: still in the song in my head. I'm like in
Speaker 1: a fugue state. Now I okay, So can I just
Speaker 1: quickly walk through the story of the sketch that we
Speaker 1: did together. Yes, okay, Marjorie, Marjorie became a legend. Second,
Speaker 1: Marjorie must return.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should bring it back.
Speaker 1: We should bring is everything and more. I mean that
Speaker 1: cut to you, and it's just.
Speaker 4: I've been looking for those so fun. I mean, we
Speaker 4: like walk down to your dressing room, were like, tell
Speaker 4: you the sketch. You're like, yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: We were like, oh my god, okay, great, and then
Speaker 1: you stayed and you wering this like gorgeous like camel
Speaker 1: colored coat on the floor and you were just standing
Speaker 1: there with our stage manager, Chris, and I was looking over.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, do us being so
Speaker 1: patient and so sweet, and she's I can't believe she's
Speaker 1: like sticking around for this.
Speaker 4: And then we did this sketch was great. I don't
Speaker 4: I remember this At dress rehearsal it was dead last yeah,
Speaker 4: And that usually means it's like buried. It's it's like okay, like, well,
Speaker 4: this could go either way. It could either be great
Speaker 4: or if it's it'll close the show on a high note.
Speaker 4: But maybe it's not like top of show, like doesn't
Speaker 4: give it the burst of energy up top that the
Speaker 4: show needs. And I was like, okay, this might get cut.
Speaker 4: I really hope it doesn't. It's so stupid, it's so silly,
Speaker 4: like do.
Speaker 1: Is in it?
Speaker 4: And like, I really hope she has fun this show.
Speaker 4: And then it did well at dress rehearsal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then between dress and.
Speaker 4: There they moved it all the way to the top yeah,
Speaker 4: and I was like, wow, it was like one of
Speaker 4: the best nights of my life because we did the sketch,
Speaker 4: it went great, and then for the rest of the show,
Speaker 4: I was like chilling.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm done. And then I got there's
Speaker 1: footage of this, Mary Ellen Matthews that PHOTOGRAPHERTESNL has video
Speaker 1: of me dancing to you doing levitating and like the
Speaker 1: jellyfish Valentino. Yeah, yeah, Oh that was such a moment, and.
Speaker 4: That exact moment was me thinking to myself, wow, we
Speaker 4: just did like because that was the Christmas show. I
Speaker 4: was like, we just did like ten shows that were
Speaker 4: so hard to do and like lockdown, we're all so tired.
Speaker 4: And then I went, I can't believe I'm one of
Speaker 4: the lucky few people in the world right now who
Speaker 4: gets to see like a live forms a live performance,
Speaker 4: because it was just like there was no live music.
Speaker 4: It was like literally December twenty twenty, and I was
Speaker 4: just like, I can't believe I get to see this,
Speaker 4: and it was just like looking at you like wow, wow,
Speaker 4: oh my god. I was like this is so cool,
Speaker 4: and like I feel like you've given me so many
Speaker 4: like hits of euphoria, like at every stage with every album.
Speaker 4: I remember where I was when I saw new rules
Speaker 4: for the first time. I remember I came out like
Speaker 4: every roll out, I'm like, there's a time and a
Speaker 4: place for it. And that's like, that is like the
Speaker 4: emotional connection that I think you make in people's minds.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, thank you so much. I mean when
Speaker 3: I think back to that SNL, I was I was
Speaker 3: so nervous. It was my second time performing at SNL,
Speaker 3: and I remember doing like the sound check and my
Speaker 3: knees were shaking.
Speaker 2: I think it's just like that pressure of it. Just
Speaker 2: you're there. They just go right three two one, and
Speaker 2: it's time. You just go for it.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I was so nervous.
Speaker 3: And then we did the dresser hussle skit, and then
Speaker 3: afterwards when we all come into the room and Lorn
Speaker 3: comes and gives everyone knows, something shifted in my brain
Speaker 3: where I was like, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 1: Part of a team. That's fine.
Speaker 2: That's how I felt.
Speaker 3: It was like, Oh, I'm part of a team, and
Speaker 3: we all we're all here to support each other, we
Speaker 3: all want this to be the best show it can be.
Speaker 3: And when I got up on stage to perform again,
Speaker 3: it was almost like I had this separation of just
Speaker 3: going and performing like I just felt like I was
Speaker 3: more embedded in the in the team. I was like,
Speaker 3: this is a production and we're just putting this all
Speaker 3: together and this is just another part of a bigger thing.
Speaker 1: Less individual and less individuals everyone.
Speaker 2: That's how it felt.
Speaker 3: And I felt like now and I look at those videos,
Speaker 3: I look at them so fondly because I see a
Speaker 3: different kind of confidence of being part of a unit.
Speaker 3: So I just I love those performances. And that's kind
Speaker 3: of also where I was like, I think I'd really
Speaker 3: like to host yeah some time, and that.
Speaker 1: Was probably gonna to be even more fun because it's
Speaker 1: gonna be another level of that feeling, which is like
Speaker 1: you'll be in every sketch yeah, and performing twice, so
Speaker 1: it's like you're gonna be like almost like the word
Speaker 1: is like executing instead of like no, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, It's it's the same. It's the exact
Speaker 4: same like epiphany that you had. It's the same thing
Speaker 4: where it's like, yes, you're hosting, like it's like you
Speaker 4: being everything, but but it's a team thing. That's what
Speaker 4: I Yeah, only one every level is there to make
Speaker 4: sure that like you have a great time, that you
Speaker 4: come off while, that you score, that it's a funny show,
Speaker 4: and also that, like so much of each show, an
Speaker 4: episode is dictated by the host's vibe for lack of
Speaker 4: a better term, And like I say, it's like everything
Speaker 4: you do brings this sort of radical optimism, brings this
Speaker 4: sort of like very cool kind of joy. This like
Speaker 4: bridled but not bridled as but I just mean to say,
Speaker 4: like it's like deeply comfortable. It's a comfortable, confident kind
Speaker 4: of joy. I feel like you've always brought that. I'm
Speaker 4: just like hurtling compliments.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I love that.
Speaker 2: I'll take it. I will take it. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: But the taste thing, I'm just like everyone every gay
Speaker 1: man at a party is somewhere, like anywhere in the
Speaker 1: world right now, there's someone holding a cocktail. But I'm
Speaker 1: like a lipa has the best taste. That's literally happening
Speaker 1: right now, now somewhere I don't know where. It's like
Speaker 1: right now, there's there's there being like does have the
Speaker 1: best and always has and showays has. So you said
Speaker 1: Illusion came first, and I think Illusion might be my
Speaker 1: favorite on the whole album outside of these walls. Is
Speaker 1: there a moment when you're writing Illusion where you're like,
Speaker 1: now I'm fucking excited and is it the pre chorus?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I just like when that, when that came into the song,
Speaker 1: I was like, here we go. This is like and
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if because you say that was first.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, we got really excited about it and it
Speaker 3: was different. I also love the dance break. I think
Speaker 3: that was the dance break instrumentation. And it's again thinking
Speaker 3: about like the live performance. How can we what is
Speaker 3: this going to sound like when people come to see
Speaker 3: it live? You know, what is the different things that
Speaker 3: we can bring and how can I dance this? And
Speaker 3: how can we make this fun and exciting and joyous?
Speaker 3: And yeah, that was like the first song that yeah,
Speaker 3: just really griped men.
Speaker 1: I'm not synesthetic, but I feel it when I listen
Speaker 1: to that album. Does that makes sense?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I feel like, what do you see for Illusion? I
Speaker 1: see like neon blue? Like does that make sense? It
Speaker 1: is not because the album is that a pool. I
Speaker 1: mean the video is at a pool, but like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just feel like it's like, but there's
Speaker 1: also yellow, there's yellow. I don't know it's you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's it's the channel, it's.
Speaker 1: What I'm wearing. It's because I looked at myself in
Speaker 1: the mirrots and and you're like, London. I was actually
Speaker 1: wondering today. I was like, are people going to think, like, oh,
Speaker 1: they booked it for the podcast and that one bleach
Speaker 1: blonde that's what broke that.
Speaker 2: It was so good?
Speaker 1: Do you feel that way?
Speaker 2: I love it?
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Taste. She wouldn't lie, no.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it. I probably just wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Say yeah, you probably would.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The girls that my coffee place in l A I
Speaker 1: can tell don't like it because they didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: But that was before I toned.
Speaker 2: That was before you tell me like it was a
Speaker 2: little brass.
Speaker 1: So I walked in and I was like, hey.
Speaker 2: It's like whenever you.
Speaker 1: See someone with like a new hairor new look and
Speaker 1: you're like hi, and they're like, hey, so, how's your
Speaker 1: day going? And I'm like, oh, god, not how's your day?
Speaker 1: Really skipped over the headline headline of that nasty headline
Speaker 1: of wow, you're blonde. Now you really did it well?
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you? My therapist does two. I lugged on and
Speaker 1: there was like that moment of like I had to
Speaker 1: laugh because I was like, I'm logging on zoom and
Speaker 1: she's gonna see me blonde. And then the therapist, you know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to like, Okay, my thirty four year
Speaker 1: old game is blonde, so go ahead. But I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I'm great.
Speaker 4: What's one reaction that stands out to you of you
Speaker 4: showing someone that your new hair this color, which is stunning,
Speaker 4: by the way.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Someone was like, oh, hey, wow.
Speaker 2: It's nice. I actually don't know.
Speaker 1: People would be too scared scary. No, no, but no,
Speaker 1: people wouldn't want to like so doubt in your mind.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no I am. I think it was more
Speaker 2: initially I had.
Speaker 3: It a little bit bleached, huh to get it to
Speaker 3: the red because my hair was really black, right, And
Speaker 3: I think it was really my hairstylist, Peter, who just
Speaker 3: took one look at it and he was like, it's
Speaker 3: in cold condition.
Speaker 2: We gotta do a little bit of work here.
Speaker 3: And it was just like the speed dialing calling me
Speaker 3: being like her hair is gonna fall out, don't.
Speaker 2: Do something about this.
Speaker 3: And I think it's like the fear in his eyes
Speaker 3: that I saw that. I immediately I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm in.
Speaker 1: Trouble after the first round of bleach or just it was.
Speaker 3: Just like the first round of bleach and the hair
Speaker 3: just wasn't in good shape. It was more just like
Speaker 3: I got lucky because like the front bits were holding
Speaker 3: out all right, like they didn't have a lot of
Speaker 3: bleach on them for a very long time, so they
Speaker 3: were fine, and it was just almost like at the
Speaker 3: back that was just like little clumps of hair. Clumps
Speaker 3: is such a clumptic word.
Speaker 1: Clums the dance bread and clumps. Only you can.
Speaker 2: Don't bring back the clumps.
Speaker 3: No one wants the clum We want healthy, healthy and.
Speaker 1: Going on with hair that you don't realize that. Even
Speaker 1: my friend Greta and she was like, we might have
Speaker 1: to double process, and I'm like, what is double process?
Speaker 3: Was like?
Speaker 1: And was the first process bad? Like? But there's so
Speaker 1: much it's so much more complicated than you think that
Speaker 1: I'm going to change my hair.
Speaker 3: It's so much technicality with it and you have to
Speaker 3: be so careful right here. But it's good now, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's great, it's good now. But the first glimpse I caught.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, who's that person? You're like now I
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, you don't recognize yourself.
Speaker 3: And then just waiting because my experience being blonde that
Speaker 3: was traumatic?
Speaker 1: Was it really?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like it was fun for a little bit.
Speaker 3: But when I went like Draco Malfoy level, like I
Speaker 3: wanted to be like peroxide blonde, it's just every shower.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it just clumps, the clumps. It was the clumps.
Speaker 3: And I had like an involuntary like what's it mullet,
Speaker 3: Not an involuntary mullet. Involuntary mullet. That's when you know
Speaker 3: things are not going well.
Speaker 1: Voluntary and.
Speaker 2: Or it just not at all. No, not for me either,
Speaker 2: but I had one.
Speaker 3: So it just it was there and I would wake
Speaker 3: up in the morning and I'm like, right, let's try and.
Speaker 1: Show it up for electricity like that era.
Speaker 3: No, And it's just it was a week. Oh so
Speaker 3: it was after it was don't start now.
Speaker 1: Oh, but like the roots were coming in chic sheep,
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 3: I think they were the bleach plant is like, no,
Speaker 3: it worked for a little bit, but there had to
Speaker 3: be a lot of magic behind the scenes that was
Speaker 3: happening there. That's why I couldn't keep it for long
Speaker 3: enough because it was just so clumps clumps.
Speaker 1: We just said the words don't start now. And do
Speaker 1: you know what, Sung never got the respect it should
Speaker 1: have gotten, even though was the single and did well.
Speaker 1: This should be a national anthem internationally. Physical Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you think it is my favorite? Yeah.
Speaker 3: I still being in the industry, I still haven't quite figured.
Speaker 1: Out how like which one is gonna.
Speaker 2: Like how things like what or whatever.
Speaker 3: Like, I just put them out and it's it's good
Speaker 3: because on tour it just like it kicked.
Speaker 2: Off, So I'm like the one, this is the one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I just never really think of things
Speaker 3: in terms of like chart stuff because it's but I
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 2: Physical is a it is a banger.
Speaker 1: It is so good. You know, when we were guest
Speaker 1: judges on drag Race, the lip sing song was hallucinate,
Speaker 1: were very I love, Yeah, it's really good. That was
Speaker 1: that was a moment we look like, have you guess
Speaker 1: judged drag Race before?
Speaker 2: I haven't.
Speaker 1: Oh god, they got to roll on the red carpet.
Speaker 1: They do so many of your songs.
Speaker 2: I know, I've seen a few of them.
Speaker 1: There's been some Nastroga doing physical physical is incredible that
Speaker 1: the physical.
Speaker 3: Physical, it's so good. I've always seen what I saw
Speaker 3: the sweetest pie.
Speaker 1: They did break my heart.
Speaker 2: I think I've seen all of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're all pretty indelible. They're really canonized in
Speaker 4: drag Race, and I think it like it has to
Speaker 4: do with the song.
Speaker 1: There's one that Simone did too. Yes, okay, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so fucking chic. It's so good.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I feel like there's a concentric circle
Speaker 4: around what you put out that like also makes other
Speaker 4: people do something beautiful and tasteful and joyful.
Speaker 1: This is like.
Speaker 4: I got so shy talk to me the first time,
Speaker 4: and I still am, but like the first.
Speaker 1: Time I talked to you, because I was just like
Speaker 1: we have to go like picture of silly little sketch
Speaker 1: to do, uh, because there's such a superstar but the
Speaker 1: thing is no, but I mean you are, but like
Speaker 1: yours are so kind and cool that it's like I
Speaker 1: understand what he's saying because like you are like this
Speaker 1: is like such a bizarre word. It must bizarre to
Speaker 1: be this, but like being like an idol, like a
Speaker 1: pop icon, like very few people are, and so you
Speaker 1: understand why a gay guy is like I was nervous
Speaker 1: to meet you. You get it, You get like boa guys,
Speaker 1: these gay guys. There's so many gay guys telling you
Speaker 1: holding cop and they're nervous to meet you.
Speaker 3: But then they meet you with and it's like we
Speaker 3: can hang out and we're going to the box.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna go to the after party? Yes?
Speaker 2: You got one thousand percent?
Speaker 4: I don't think somebody Ryan Gosling did not show up
Speaker 4: to the after party, And that's okay, it's actually it's
Speaker 4: not a real I don't think so many because he's
Speaker 4: like he's Ryan.
Speaker 3: Got go but one thousand percent. But also sometimes like
Speaker 3: I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: There was one moment where I'm just gonna say we
Speaker 1: were there. It was the Lizo episode, uh huh, And
Speaker 1: there was the after party and Lizzo showed up ready
Speaker 1: to party for the after party and no one was
Speaker 1: giving the party, and I was like, you guys, Lizo
Speaker 1: just showed up and is ready to do this. Literally
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes later, are we are we dancing?
Speaker 2: Are we hanging?
Speaker 1: Are we we need to push for dance? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Push for dance, Yeah, because normally it's like not a
Speaker 4: dancing situation, push for dance. The only time it got
Speaker 4: so dancing was when in recent was when RuPaul hosted Okay, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like you're on that level where it's like we
Speaker 1: gotta okay, Okay, we're gonna do Dan, you have well,
Speaker 1: I guess like you both can kind of make this happen.
Speaker 1: Where should you pick and just tell Lauren like or whoever? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Lauren books the after bart. I'm just wondering if
Speaker 1: zero bond was available on the fourth, we're actually gonna
Speaker 1: have some fun and dancing.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Have you been in a basement yet?
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 4: Wait, you would be Mom's at basement. I haven't been
Speaker 4: to basements like a berg heint inspired like club and do.
Speaker 1: You put on a wigan go incognito? No?
Speaker 2: I have not done so, but maybe I should.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you need to? Could you?
Speaker 2: I know, I just do that.
Speaker 3: I just well, you just go you just.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't be okay, guy? Can you go nowhere? You
Speaker 1: can't even go into McDonald's. Can you probably a scene?
Speaker 1: The way gay men talk, you must be insane right now.
Speaker 2: No, we're not insane. We're being normal.
Speaker 4: No, but it's like, do you it goes to basement.
Speaker 4: She's not gonna be bothered at all because it's gonna
Speaker 4: be all of these gay men like shaking in the
Speaker 4: corner being like we can't go talk to her, but
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 2: We can't have people getting sweaty up basement.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Is it like an every night thing, weekend thing.
Speaker 4: Mostly weekends. People love to come out as the sun rises.
Speaker 4: It's that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: I think it's your like time cafe.
Speaker 2: No really, because that's like a really American thing with
Speaker 2: things carries three or something.
Speaker 1: It's three here, it's like one everywhere else. In a
Speaker 1: very shocking and traumatizing way. It's like you're sending me
Speaker 1: home now.
Speaker 3: I WoT it.
Speaker 1: I'm like this is crazy, Like I'm acting like I
Speaker 1: have all this energy like to be out until four
Speaker 1: every night, but like sometimes it does feel weird, like
Speaker 1: in La everything's down one now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: People got to do like the London model where it's
Speaker 1: like go to Dalston Superstore and stay there. Love London.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is the Spanish thing with people like
Speaker 3: go to the club at like two and then you
Speaker 3: leave crawling at like five.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That perfect to do Spanish.
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways the Spanish now.
Speaker 4: About Spanish people, and not to generalize, but it's like
Speaker 4: that I've talked about the Madrid airport at length.
Speaker 1: Oh Bowen, Yeah, sure, are you public about this? You
Speaker 1: had a grinder hook up at the Madrid airport. It
Speaker 1: was just like Layoverdrid day to.
Speaker 4: Madrid back to London. The walk from gate to gate
Speaker 4: was like twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: The Madrid reper has a sea thing where it's like
Speaker 4: to this terminal, it's gonna be like a fifteen minute walk.
Speaker 4: Get ready, and so you walk and every guy I
Speaker 4: passed was like eyeing me, and I was like wait
Speaker 4: a minute, and then every guy would get progressively hotter
Speaker 4: and hotter, and I'd be like, what is going on here?
Speaker 4: And then finally it was like okay, let me just
Speaker 4: open up my apps. And then like ten minutes later, like.
Speaker 1: You were blowing up. It was do you have a
Speaker 1: Brinder account? That would be iconic if you were just
Speaker 1: on this like training season is over? Like, uh, by
Speaker 1: the way, Barries, do you live a thing with?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: We did a training season thing.
Speaker 1: I did do a class.
Speaker 2: How is it really good?
Speaker 1: Shout out to Matt Conrad in La and Hollywood. It
Speaker 1: really doesn't all do a class? Oh my god. Fun
Speaker 1: it was good and then there was a shake yeah,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 4: Had it and it was I just guessed as a
Speaker 4: Barris class, how did it go? I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I have all these bets planned didn't do a single
Speaker 4: one of them because Lindsay Clayton, who is a star
Speaker 4: trainer at bet Barr's Chelsea, was like, okay, everybody like
Speaker 4: get on the floor and like I did like one
Speaker 4: shoulder tap. I was like my brain melted. I couldn't
Speaker 4: say a single It's hard.
Speaker 3: Berries.
Speaker 2: I've done Barries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so intense.
Speaker 1: I don't love it.
Speaker 3: I don't love running like I much prefer like double floor.
Speaker 1: His double floor.
Speaker 3: Everybody do his double floor, double duty, double floor.
Speaker 1: Like that twenty nine. I'm ten or whatever. No, I'm
Speaker 1: in the twenties. Do you always pick the same one
Speaker 1: if you can? I'm always on T eighteen or no,
Speaker 1: T twelve. No, but that's a nice auspicious thingious thing
Speaker 1: for me. Anyway. If there's a dual class that barriers
Speaker 1: take it, you're gonna sweat, it's gonna be fabulous. We'll
Speaker 1: regret it, I'll move. I think it every time for
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. So this is the segment
Speaker 1: where we kind of go off for a minute, if
Speaker 1: you will, on something in pop culture that's bugging us.
Speaker 1: And I have something topical, all right, this top of
Speaker 1: my head and topical, Matt Rogers, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Time starts now. I don't think so, honey, just because
Speaker 1: someone is blonde that they're in crisis. Okay, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate your concern. I promise you. This is a reflection
Speaker 1: of my happiness and my say it with me radical optimism.
Speaker 1: If I was in crisis, I would not roll the
Speaker 1: dice on my head. I get that some people do this.
Speaker 1: That's not how I am. This is an expression of
Speaker 1: the color of my spirit blonde. I also feel that
Speaker 1: I've been spiritually moving in this direction for years. Will
Speaker 1: it remain this way? No?
Speaker 2: For the summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I'm at Glastonbury, I'm gonna be looking like this.
Speaker 1: Come up and talk to me. The vibes are gonna
Speaker 1: be high because I'm gonna be seeing Dua Lipa. I'm
Speaker 1: literally I don't have a ticket yet, but I'm debting one.
Speaker 1: I'm talking myself into going, and yow, I'll be blonde
Speaker 1: and it won't be because I'm upset, because I'm thrilled.
Speaker 1: So please join me. Everyone, dye your hair blonde. What
Speaker 1: you do is you go and you get the bleach.
Speaker 1: You put it all over your head. Your friend can
Speaker 1: do this, and then you put a little bit of tone.
Speaker 3: Ron.
Speaker 1: Make sure you get that purple shampoo. If you have
Speaker 1: to double process, do it. Purple shampoo is major used
Speaker 1: it today? Am I overusing it? Maybe? But we'll find
Speaker 1: out soon if my hair is lavender. But for now
Speaker 1: it's blonde, and I'm happy about it. That's one minute.
Speaker 1: There we go and it's the colors of illusion.
Speaker 2: I feel like I held my breath through all of that.
Speaker 3: I feel like I've gone the color of purple shampoo.
Speaker 4: Listen, if you overget correct, it's actually fine because purple
Speaker 4: also that silvery kind of blonde looks kind of cheap.
Speaker 1: It could be kind of good, you know. But then
Speaker 1: you were saying in the elevator that a little bit
Speaker 1: of brass is in. I was like, okay, I take
Speaker 1: a little bit of brass is in you blonde? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, it's like my therapist didn't
Speaker 1: think this either. When I logged on, she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't think necessarily think something was wrong. But I
Speaker 1: also think it's like an easy way to pick on
Speaker 1: someone like oh, he's blonde, right right right. Like I
Speaker 1: was reading through the comments I should not have done
Speaker 1: this on that post where you premiered absolute stalker. Well,
Speaker 1: I was just like, what are people saying? Because I
Speaker 1: was I was seeing some nonsense, and I was like, y'all,
Speaker 1: he's fine. My dad dragged me. He was like, well,
Speaker 1: I bet there'll be an Instagram Live to debut this.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Dad, no, I didn't do this
Speaker 1: for everyone else. I did this for me. Seconds later me,
Speaker 1: but he really got me there. I bet they'll be
Speaker 1: an Instagram live. Uh. Oh.
Speaker 4: Anyways, he knows me. Are you ready to do your
Speaker 4: I think so. It's it's a little bit pedestrian, but
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it. I don't think that's for you
Speaker 4: to say. I think that's for the critics out there
Speaker 4: to say this is Bowe and yangs. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 4: his time in fact stars now I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 4: The crisping drawer, what are you doing? The crisping drawer
Speaker 4: in the fridge. It's not doing the work.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with this?
Speaker 2: Crispings? What do you call me?
Speaker 4: Put that vegetables? Fruits doesn't do anything? Could be a
Speaker 4: box with a poor handle off. I come home after
Speaker 4: three days away from my apartment. The grapes, the spring onion, moldy,
Speaker 4: the ginger absolutely fungally destroyed. I don't know what I
Speaker 4: have to do to keep my produce fresh. I'm looking
Speaker 4: up all of these solutions online. It's fifteen seconds, fill
Speaker 4: a jar with water and cut up your cucumber and
Speaker 4: then put it.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm not doing any of that. I'm
Speaker 1: keeping the vegetables whole mother nature intended. And if you're
Speaker 1: not going to do anything for your refrigerator, I am
Speaker 1: just going to salt everythings. You is it's the world
Speaker 1: against me? The crisping drawn at it right.
Speaker 2: I was like, what even is that?
Speaker 1: I had to take a second. So, but that it is?
Speaker 1: That is what it's called.
Speaker 2: Is it something else in dripping?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I thought it's just a draw in your fridge.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, exactly. But to put now, to have a
Speaker 1: name for it, to say crisp, I might be crazy.
Speaker 1: I might have named it's something that no one else
Speaker 1: calls it. My issue with the crisping drawer. It's great
Speaker 1: already back there, back up, it's called the crisping draw
Speaker 1: she's actually looking it up? Are you literally looking it up?
Speaker 1: Because I broke my last apartment. It's incredibly easy to
Speaker 1: break as when it wasn't doing anything to beget I
Speaker 1: took it out because it got Yeah, And that's my
Speaker 1: concern is that the crisping drawer is where I put
Speaker 1: everything where I'm like, well, I guess I'm healthy now,
Speaker 1: healthy girl, And then you put it in there and
Speaker 1: it's shrivel. You never touch it.
Speaker 2: I get it. I get you get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: No, I understand, and I get the drama.
Speaker 1: Here's the part where you pop off. Are you ready
Speaker 1: to do your I don't things so, honey, because you
Speaker 1: came in and you definitely have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had one.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: I'm like with it.
Speaker 1: We were okay starts.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't think so, honey. I think you can
Speaker 3: work hard and play you know, I feel like, no
Speaker 3: matter what, people are still gonna call you the Thekanza Queen.
Speaker 3: Everyone think that I'm always on holiday. I'm not always
Speaker 3: on holiday. I'm actually always fucking working. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: make sure that I do the work. I get it done.
Speaker 3: I never make I make sure that I want.
Speaker 1: You make lists forgot?
Speaker 2: I make lists.
Speaker 3: I also never do the same job twice. I make
Speaker 3: sure that I do it well. And I do it
Speaker 3: well the first time, yes, and so I never have
Speaker 3: to do it again. So then I have more free
Speaker 3: time to hang out, chill and do nothing but have
Speaker 3: fun when I'm not working. Fifteen that's it, and I'm
Speaker 3: working and I'm having fun right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want, and you can play. You can do
Speaker 2: anything you want. You can do five seconds you want.
Speaker 1: That's it. First of all, when goes on vacation, that
Speaker 1: is a text right off, that's going into the worst,
Speaker 1: going into the war, going into the world.
Speaker 3: So I can then come back refreshed, yes, and looking cute,
Speaker 3: so I can do more.
Speaker 1: You don't have illusion if do it doesn't go on
Speaker 1: vacation period. Do you want that world? Shut up? Shut up?
Speaker 1: Pop crazy? And she might do Coachella, but stop class
Speaker 1: and during first and stop you're being too much.
Speaker 4: If she's the Theconza queen, then we are the Thecanza gesters,
Speaker 4: and we are Yeah, we are.
Speaker 1: I just booked with Aconza to go to Coachella.
Speaker 2: Okay to go, Vicnza to go.
Speaker 1: I have so many emails from Vicanza asking you the review.
Speaker 1: I don't have the greatest review of the place I
Speaker 1: stayed in Coachella was like to get in the gated
Speaker 1: It was like a gated community, B and B and
Speaker 1: let me say something about the gate. There has to
Speaker 1: be a button, a button because human error can happen.
Speaker 1: There's someone there twenty four hours. There wasn't ever cut
Speaker 1: to me at three in the morning after Neon Carnival,
Speaker 1: can't get into my damn home, after DJ James Kennedy's
Speaker 1: big set. Do you watch vander Pump Rules?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I did watch any reality TV?
Speaker 2: No I did.
Speaker 3: You're just should because I just feel really left out
Speaker 3: because everyone's like vander Pump Rules all that something else.
Speaker 1: I feel left because everyone's rules. You are queen of taste.
Speaker 1: You don't have to touch it, don't want to do
Speaker 1: you watch or you just always she's reading Pinko. She's
Speaker 1: not watching television.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I just watched his baby rained it.
Speaker 1: Oh, hey, watch Taste. Everyone is talking about.
Speaker 3: This one more episode left.
Speaker 1: Yes, I heard it, pops off. I hear it's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: belieb okay, this is gonna be the show of the year.
Speaker 1: All right, love it, babyan dear, I'm watching. I always
Speaker 1: look to him as like my she Taste maker friend
Speaker 1: because he always finds things first. Have you ever watched
Speaker 1: Perfect Blue? No, tell her about it? You watched Perfect
Speaker 1: Blue series?
Speaker 4: So Toshi Cohen, did you ever watch Paprika that anime
Speaker 4: film or Took Your Godfather's or Milinny Mattress? Okay, so
Speaker 4: she is like was at the time a contemporary of
Speaker 4: like a Miyazaki kind of People were kind of putting
Speaker 4: them in the same camp. But it's this His first
Speaker 4: movie is about this pop star who transitions out of
Speaker 4: a pop girl group in nineteen ninety so this movie
Speaker 4: comes at nineteen eighty seven. But then she transitions into acting,
Speaker 4: and then her stalker gets mad, and then she finds
Speaker 4: this like blog that's written in her voice, but it's
Speaker 4: not her who's writing it. But for some reason it
Speaker 4: knows all these details about her. There's all these twists,
Speaker 4: like her manager is a little bit suspicious. And then
Speaker 4: it's about how like the Internet is distorting her reality
Speaker 4: and like she's believing what the internet version of herself
Speaker 4: is like being fed to her. It's like really fascinating.
Speaker 4: Like for me, it's about all these things, but like
Speaker 4: I watch it as a reminder that like whatever is
Speaker 4: going on in here is like not real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Or it's actually least perfect or the perfect perfect blue
Speaker 4: perfect perfect. And it's a title of like a pulpy
Speaker 4: novel Japanese novel that was adapted the director Statuchico was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know why it's called that, but I'll make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know why it was called that either.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone knows why it's called that. Very
Speaker 1: dark and scary, but like at the end, again there
Speaker 1: is radical optimism at the end. I believe like there
Speaker 1: is a moment at the area where do you understand
Speaker 1: that there's been like like some growth and a change.
Speaker 1: And just like while we're talking about that, I wonder
Speaker 1: because he picks up the phone and you're like, it's
Speaker 1: not real. Was there a moment that there was like
Speaker 1: a transition for you and like I'm engaging with people
Speaker 1: and like what they think to now? Or do you
Speaker 1: find yourself like still engaging.
Speaker 2: I think it's a bit of a push and pull.
Speaker 3: I took myself off Twitter just as I was writing
Speaker 3: Future Nostalgia. But I was like, people were so mean
Speaker 3: all the time, and I started thinking that everyone thought
Speaker 3: that of me, that it was real until like I
Speaker 3: would go out and I'd be in the park and
Speaker 3: someone would just come up and be like, Hey, I
Speaker 3: love your song or h this made me feel really
Speaker 3: good or whatever, and I was like, oh, wait, maybe
Speaker 3: like the public perception isn't the way that I think
Speaker 3: it is. Like I would get really like nervous because
Speaker 3: I would think that maybe people were having all these
Speaker 3: like weird thoughts about me, or like I would be
Speaker 3: almost like in a way self obsessed and a weird thing,
Speaker 3: and it wouldn't allow me to connect with people because
Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh, they probably hate me or they
Speaker 3: probably think this about me.
Speaker 1: Very distracting creative. I don't want to have that at all.
Speaker 3: So I got rid of Twitter, and then I was
Speaker 3: able to write an album that felt really freeing and
Speaker 3: good and whatever, because I was like, it's not real,
Speaker 3: it's completely separate.
Speaker 2: People spend a lot of.
Speaker 3: Time online to try and bring you down or make
Speaker 3: you feel bad about yourself or make themselves feel better
Speaker 3: or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: It's like an outlet.
Speaker 3: And instead of being like you shouldn't say what you
Speaker 3: think or trying to retaliate in that way, it's like
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna remove myself, yeah, and then I don't
Speaker 3: hear it, I don't see it, and I can just
Speaker 3: get on with things in a different way and have
Speaker 3: normal experiences and do what you do, yeah, instead of
Speaker 3: without having to let that yeah, you know, sit on
Speaker 3: my head kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Because this movie is great because it's like she engages
Speaker 1: with this bizarre, distorted reality and then literally in the
Speaker 1: film that physicalizes for her with that character becomes like
Speaker 1: real to her, and it's like very surreal. It's almost
Speaker 1: like Black Swan, where it's like there's like another version
Speaker 1: of her that's antagonizing her, and it's really like the
Speaker 1: created fantasized version of her. I have to see that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this came out like pre Y two K two,
Speaker 1: like so pretty ahead of its time in terms of
Speaker 1: like yeah ninety seven, especially talking about the Internet, Like
Speaker 1: the computer that she uses in the film is like
Speaker 1: a nineties computer, Like so way before there was like
Speaker 1: vility on the Internet like that right on the pulse.
Speaker 1: But for you to talk about Twitter in a way
Speaker 1: that like everybody talks about it, which is everyone's me,
Speaker 1: like every literally everyone has that experience and that says
Speaker 1: it all. Favorite place to vacation.
Speaker 2: M such a hard favorite place vacation.
Speaker 1: If you said Epcot right now, it would rock, It
Speaker 1: would rock. The Disney World now you're so cheap period.
Speaker 3: No, I think like you can go to South of Albania,
Speaker 3: Orbitha I love, We've never been to.
Speaker 2: Is really fun.
Speaker 3: But when I say Beth, the people immediately think of
Speaker 3: like the one strip with all the clubs where it's
Speaker 3: like absolute carnage. But you can do really like peaceful quiet.
Speaker 3: There's amazing restaurants in Ibitha. It's really chill, beautiful little beaches,
Speaker 3: little cur It's amazing. And then you can like dip
Speaker 3: out once a week and go to d C ten
Speaker 3: and just rave. So you just need like it's about balance.
Speaker 3: But I love because you get best at both worlds.
Speaker 1: That's cool. I love it. This has been so fun
Speaker 1: and such a joy. I'm like, so Galvan, I used
Speaker 1: to go to Glastonbury now because I've never been, and
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna should.
Speaker 2: Be it will be absolutely mad.
Speaker 1: Who are the other headlines.
Speaker 3: Saturday? On Sunday, Shania Twain is doing the Legend slot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know it has to happen.
Speaker 1: I mean that's not last.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be totally are you. I love Shan come
Speaker 3: on over actually mad after the Grammy's at an after
Speaker 3: party and she can stay high. I was like, wow, excited.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a fucking stacked line up. But like you,
Speaker 4: I think are holding a very very beautiful position on
Speaker 4: that hooster for me because it's like, I think your first, your.
Speaker 3: First Friday night, because then that means you can just rally.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also it's like the Friday night spot is really
Speaker 1: important because it does set a tone like a case,
Speaker 1: just as like it was so sick and then Billy
Speaker 1: came out and that was like a moment forever and
Speaker 1: it did like set the whole weekend on fire. Afterwards,
Speaker 1: well we're all living the best experience. Cannot wait. And
Speaker 1: the album is coming out, I guess in two days
Speaker 1: and you're doing us, and now that's going to be incredible,
Speaker 1: just like all the most exciting things.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. This has been
Speaker 3: so much fun. You can work and you can play.
Speaker 1: You can do it all and there you go. And
Speaker 1: it was actually writing this episode off on our taxes
Speaker 1: because it's vacation. We had every episode with the song
Speaker 1: was good tag. We're notarially off the books yet because
Speaker 1: we just got it, but it is the vibe Vibe