WEBVTT - Trade targets for the Cubs with the deadline nearing 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:09.280 Welcome into Northside Territory File Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.800 Zadive Charma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.280 Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic. 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:15.480 Patrick. 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.480 The Cubs are playing the Detroit Detroit Tigers right now, 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.079 hoping to take two or three from the Tigers and 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.280 knock them down a little bit further and try and 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.240 force them into selling. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.960 That is what you know. 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.159 These next two weeks are all about who are the 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:39.240 sellers that the Cubs can kind of pick from and 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:43.080 try and get some pitching. And obviously the big name 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.320 in Detroit is Trek Scubel. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.080 And you know, I don't I don't know. 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.199 If i'd i'd put the Cubs at the top of 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.800 the list of teams that are going to be pining 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.200 for Schooble, but I would put it at you know, 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.600 no chance of them getting Schooble if the Tigers decide 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.759 to sell and trade, you know, one of the best 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:09.679 pitchers in the game, if not the best pitcher in 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:10.039 the game. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.679 Yeah, I mean, we at the Athletic have been kind 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:20.520 of asking around about this, and I still think Scooble 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.880 staying with the Tigers is in play and might be 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.680 the most likely scenario just when you break out the 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:32.839 percentages of you know, kind of Detroit, the field, the Dodgers, Phillies, 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.600 you know, the usual suspects as well as some surprises 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.320 like like the Rays and maybe the Brewers. But look there, 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.200 these games matter at Wrigley Field in a lot of ways. 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.000 And I know you'll be writing about this this more 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:47.240 in the Athletics a Hodave. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:47.680 But like. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:54.120 Scott Harris Jeff Greenberg, two old Cubs guys are running 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:58.559 Detroit's front office and they're going to take this last 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:04.560 chunk before the trade deadline to continually re evaluate and 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.960 see where the club is. So like they are in 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.919 kind of a playoff mode right now that they have 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.280 to show the front office that it's worth keeping Schooble. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.160 And if you do that, maybe you add a little 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.280 bit at well this as well. This team wasn't built 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.960 to be blown up at the deadline. I mean, that's 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:27.480 why they signed Frambra Valdez to that big deal around 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.720 the Star spring training. You don't bring back Justin Verlander 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:34.880 with the idea that you're going to sell in early August. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.239 But you know, I think the big thing you know 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.720 Cubs fans probably are tired of hearing it about it, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.440 but this first round by a Jed Hoyer has talked 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:47.520 about it a lot that it is super important. Essentially, 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.560 it's like winning a playoff round before the playoffs even start. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.560 Just taking those three potential games off the table is 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.560 a huge deal, particularly when you're a model driven front office. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.560 And I think if the Cubs were in the position 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.799 right now, you'd be seeing their name like right next 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.840 to the Dodgers, Phillies, Braves as like kind of the 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:13.320 most likely pursuers. I think the Cubs are in a 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:18.000 tier two behind that right now, given the deficit they're 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.440 facing in the division and the likelihood that they will 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:24.960 have to go through a wildcard series to keep advancing. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.040 But it's not at zero. I think what you'll see 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:34.000 is a lot of teams, including the Cubs and Tigers, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.360 taking this all the way down until the final day, 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.720 if not the last hours before that deadline, when you 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.240 you know that's going to force the action. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:47.480 Yeah, where we sit right now before Wednesday Night's game 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.520 against the Tigers, the Tigers are five games back in 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:56.040 the wildcard they you know, or is that five games 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:56.760 back in the top. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:57.280 No. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.960 No, no, that's five games back of the final wildcard spot, 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.440 So that's I mean, that's still within shouting distance. They're 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:10.120 they're they're close enough where they're not clear sellers. Uh yeah, 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.800 I agree with you that the Cubs are not. I mean, 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.360 if the Cubs are bidding against teams like the Brewers 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.240 and Dodgers for Schoogle, they're not going to win that 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:23.440 bidding more they they it's they they don't have the 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.279 players to compete with those two teams for sure. The 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.440 Dodgers are a team that haven't you know, they've done 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.640 most of their work in recent years in the off season, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.480 not as much at the deadline, so you know, and 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.880 everything that I read it makes it seem like, you know, 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.960 they're they're not going to that's just not their mo o. 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.960 It doesn't seem like they overpay it the deadline. They're 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.599 they're overpaying you know, quote unquote, uh is is done 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.280 in the off season and it's done with their spending. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.720 Uh well, we'll see if they I mean, they have 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.520 a lot of talent and a lot of depth in 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:03.880 the farm, so they could certainly overpaid prospect price just 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.440 to and not hurt their system. 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.000 Much or hurt their future at all. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:14.359 I'd be surprised if if Schooble ends up on the Cubs. 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:19.680 If the if the Tigers are selling, the Cubs certainly 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.119 have should have interest in Schooble, They should have interest 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.920 in Casey Miz. They should have interest in any any 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.719 arms that the that the Tigers are willing to put 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.960 out there, because that's just the situation they're in. They're 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.080 they're desperate for pitching. I mean, you wrote it like 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.640 we've We've just wrote this over and over again. They 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:44.760 have another injury, Trent Thornton with the heel contusion. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:46.440 We will see if he's put on the. 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.920 I l you know, we're over twenty four hours later 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.240 from from the injury and nothing has happened. He's had 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:58.400 I think multiple types of scans, right X rays and 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.040 something else that there was CT. 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.240 Scam there would not reveal a fracture. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:04.720 Okay, so. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.560 When it initially happened, the night of Council said that 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.640 heels can be tricky. Uh So the initial X ray, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.839 even though it was clear they they didn't want to 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.120 give him the all all all good there just yet. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:26.360 But for now it seems like he's maybe avoided an 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:27.320 eel stint. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.839 Yeah he was. He was optimistic, but of course that's 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.240 what you're always supposed to say. I mean, he did, 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.279 you know, mention that he was able to do a 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:41.960 light throwing session on Tuesday. Council said Thursday's off day 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:47.880 helps reorganize things. A blowout win on Tuesday night also 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:53.480 doesn't hurt either of only using two pictures and none 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:57.960 of your leverage relievers such as they are these these days. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:02.440 But yeah, and I think that was interesting seeing the 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:08.279 Tigers how aj Hinch managed Tuesday Night's game there of 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.560 going to position players and like they know it, like 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:16.120 they have once they leave Rigley Field ten games against 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:20.120 teams that are currently sub five hundred. You look at 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.520 their August and September schedule, they play the teams in 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.440 front of them in the Al Central twenty more times, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.200 so they they have opportunity in front of them, they 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:34.200 could just sort of win series and give their front 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:39.480 office a reason to stick together. I think they feel 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:43.600 like they had the most talented team on paper heading 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:48.600 into the season. Their payroll on opening day was top 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.440 ten in the entire sport. You know, like the Cubs, 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:56.080 they just got hammered by injuries injuries early, and I 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.120 think you and I are both sort of it's not 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:03.360 the most creative process to continually write around injuries and 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.520 put context to it, but it's been the story, and 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.760 to the Cup's credit, it hasn't sunk their season in 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.040 a way that people are wondering whether they're buying or 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:14.080 not at the deadline. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:14.640 Yeah. 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.720 Absolutely, the Tigers just don't have like they have every 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.360 reason to continue to try and go for it outside 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.320 of where they are in the standings, you know, So 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.040 like there's a lot of reasons why they'll be patient 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.480 and wait. So we'll see where they end up and 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.920 where this is, because I think they are going to 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.240 wait until closer unless things just fall apart in the 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.720 next week and there's suddenly nine games back of a 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.000 wild card spot. But I think they're going to wait 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.360 the full two weeks before we really have an answer 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.600 about what they're doing with their pitching. Let's talk about 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.880 some clear sellers. Let's take a quick break before we 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:49.240 do that. 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:54.839 Hey, for the families out there looking for a new 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.000 path to help your child succeed, take a look at 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:01.640 K twelve Powered Schools. 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I put the Angels, Mets, you know, the Giants, 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:15.040 Rockies are in there cases in there, maybe the athletics, 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.400 But the athletics I think want to continue to try 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:22.360 and build because they have like the what they believe 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.800 is a foundation to win, and there's just not a 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.760 lot for them obvious to obviously sell, and certainly not 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.560 in the Cubs department. It doesn't feel like they have 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:34.680 what the Cubs are looking for. 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.000 But the Angels do. 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:43.200 The Giants may, the Mets certainly have some intriguing pieces. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.320 What are some things that you've heard as far as 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:52.600 potential sellers. 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.600 Well, I think definitely. I mean the Cubs and Mats 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:57.959 have already made a relatively significant deal, you know, trading 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.520 for David Peterson and who's pitched pretty well. I mean 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.280 he's gone three for four in terms of like good 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:13.800 performances in this rotation. Obviously they'll be monitoring Clay Holmes 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.280 as he comes back. I think someone who would be 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.679 a great fit. He's got a kind of a weird 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.280 contract situation. I believe he has like a player option 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.240 for next year that you know, as long as he's healthy, 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.520 the expectation would be he opts out, and if he's injury, 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.600 you might opt out too, just because pitching is at 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.600 such a premium Freddy Peralta another one, but you're kind 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:38.319 of looking more at those rental pieces. I guess another 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:39.720 reliever the Mets. 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:40.480 Have Luke Weaver. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.920 He made a very good impression with the Cubs as 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.360 a free agent, and they did one of those video 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:50.559 conferences and the Cubs were engaged, kind of made a 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.439 play for him, and you know, he got that two year, 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:57.000 twenty two million dollar deal, you know, kind of matching 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.760 Brad Keller's contract with the Phillies, which has not turned 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.360 out well. The Cubs were kind of in that market, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.320 but not all the way. I think, you know, maybe 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:14.400 there's a way to They don't love putting significant resources 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.240 into their bullpen. They just think it's too unpredictable. But 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:21.200 a guy who's pitched well for both New York teams, Yeah, 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:25.080 maybe you're willing to pay a little more, uh to 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:29.480 get a guy who's under contract for next season. Those 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:34.560 rental pitchers, you know, might start to look better when 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.679 you hear the prices for some of the controllable starters. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.160 And and I think a team we've both circled is 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.400 the Angels. What do you got on them? 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:45.040 Yeah? 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:49.080 I mean read Detmers is a name that everyone's talking about. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.440 Like these these are guys that are under control for 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.600 a while, right read Detmers, Jose Siriato. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:01.600 Uh, both through both through twenty two. Yeah, but yeah, 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.560 no problem, nice nice play for the future. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.320 Yeah, Deptmers has is eras elevated right now. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:08.600 It's a little bit above four. 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.120 But I mean they don't have anyone that strikes guys 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.920 out at a near thirty percent rate, like like Deptmer's does. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.800 I mean this is the peripherals are very much uh, 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.160 you know, impressive twenty seven percent strike got rate, seven 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:28.640 percent walk rate. That's that's standout stuff in a rotation. 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.320 And right now he's at one hundred and fourteen and 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.440 two thirds innings like that's that's exactly like that is 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.720 what the Cubs are looking for. Uh, if they believe, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.920 if they like him, if the if the pitching infrastructure 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.840 believes they can you know, whether it's getting in front 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.160 of a good defense, whether it's making a tweak, maybe 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.120 using different pitches at different times, whatever it may be, 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.960 and just have them level up a little bit more. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.840 That's a guy that makes a lot of sense. Soriano 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.920 does too. Soriano came out like if you guys. If 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.440 people Cubs fans remember that, you know, he came out 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:09.200 just crazy this season, doing really well. He's kind of 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.720 cooled off, but it's still you know, at three four ERA, 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:17.280 solid strikeout rate, he's a big round ball guy. Again, 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.960 he put that in front of the Cub's defense. Maybe 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.400 that ERA gets back down again. I think both of 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.280 them make a ton of sense for the Cubs. It's 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.960 going to cost a ton what what are the Cubs 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.600 willing to give up? What are the Angels looking for? 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:32.600 But those are two guys I think make a lot 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.080 of sense. And the Angels need to rebuild. I mean, 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.360 do they have to move guys like Soriano and Detmers. 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.320 Probably not, because, like you said, they're under control till 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.920 twenty eight. But that's what the Cubs are looking for. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.600 I think the Cubs would much prefer to you mentioned 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.560 Clay Holmes and Freddy Pratta. I think the Cubs like 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.600 Clay Holmes a lot. I think Clay Homes fits that 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.760 Soriano mold in the sense that he doesn't miss as 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.080 many bats as Soriano, but he the ground ball rate 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.720 would be so great in front of the Cubs defense. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.400 I think the Cubs would love to get Clay Homes. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.400 But as far as a long term play beyond this 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:14.200 season and paying a pretty hefty price and being aggressive, 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.960 Soriano or dept Meurs makes perfect sense for this team, 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.560 and that they need pitching, you know beyond. They need 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.520 pitching now and they need pitching for the future. So 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.760 adding making a move like that to kind of what's 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.600 expected to be an odd offseason, a disjointed off season, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.320 a truncated offseason, I guess to your the ability to 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.400 make moves is going to be difficult. You may as 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.240 well try and make a move like that now and 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.000 you don't have to worry about, oh, you're getting a 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.760 shorter what if The like the pending twenty twenty seven 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.560 free agents are a little more worrisome than the ones 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.240 that are around through twenty twenty eight. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.000 The Angels make perfect sense. I think the only issue 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:02.520 is what everyone in baseball can point to, just like 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.320 who's running the show there? 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.600 I mean you have Artie Moreno, an owner who's. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:13.320 You know, been involved, but also you know, doesn't really 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:19.160 explain himself to his fan base. Perry Manazi and was 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:24.320 fired I believe in June John Mozelak very experienced, accomplished 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.960 is running the team on an interim basis. I believe 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:34.280 his contract runs since December, but he hasn't like ruled 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.760 out the idea of staying around if he's asked, but 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:42.240 he'll be involved in the search for his replacement, just 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.640 like a lot going on out there of just the Angels. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.120 I've always been viewed as a sort of you know, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:54.280 sleeping giant, you know, in a great market and location 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:59.160 that's very appealing to players, and they've spent money, they've 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:05.560 had obviously amazing individual talents, and you know, really big 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:10.960 name managers. For a while, it just never really clicked 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:15.320 or hasn't been a very long time. And so, you know, 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.000 I think if you're a front office, you're kind of 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.639 scouting the other front offices too, right of, like what's 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.240 the you know, I have no doubt the Cubs could 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.800 put together a very nice offer that makes sense for 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:30.400 a team in their position out in the Al West. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.439 Just kind of odds set up, and I guess the 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:40.040 Giants aren't quite that strange, but they've been They've just 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.240 been a mess. And they've got a couple of interesting 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.160 pitchers that are on the Cubs radar. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.719 Yeah, I mean it comes would love to get Logan 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.919 web right, I really. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.480 That would that would be the like Jed like mic drop, 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.920 like yeah you wanted you want a big move, here 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:58.199 you go. 0:17:58.600 --> 0:17:58.919 Yeah. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.280 I mean, this is a guy it's competed for. Cy 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.280 Young's over and over again, always up there and innings pitched. 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:10.199 He's I think he's kind of bounced back from a 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.320 rough start to the season, but his strikeouts are pretty 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:17.800 far down still. He gets weak contact. Another groundball guy, 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.720 funky arm angle, gonna give you a ton of innings. 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.040 I mean, one of the few guys that gets to 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.119 two hundred innings still regularly. 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.080 Like how that's super rare. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.880 I don't think that's gonna happen, you know, I don't 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:37.000 think the Giants are moving Logan web Robbie Ray is 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:41.520 probably very available though pending free agent. I know there 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:46.040 was a time where where this front office liked Robbie Ray. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.960 That was years ago. He's a very different pitcher now, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:54.600 you know, he's he's you know, been traded once already. 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.439 This was back when he was a free agent, back 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:03.320 when the Cubs signed Marcus stro I believe the you know, 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.880 I think that free agent class had Strowman, Robbie Ray, 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.919 and Kevin Gousman. And my understanding was the Cubs liked 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.800 Robbie Ray a lot. Obviously, Ray got hurt pretty quickly 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.840 after after signing with Seattle. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:19.200 Was it? I think it was Seattle? 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.080 And he's he's pitching well this season, but kind of 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.960 the stuff seems a little down. I don't know. I 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.000 my personal concern is that, like Robbie Ray, is the 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.520 type of guy that looks good on paper right now 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:36.400 and then comes in and has a tough two months 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.320 just because the stuff and the peripherals don't look like 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.600 they used to. But maybe the Cubs see something that 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.200 they love and they're like, hey, we have them throw 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.679 this pitch a little bit more, or a tweak in 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.960 the delivery, whatever whatever it may be. If they feel 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.359 that way, then you know it probably isn't a sky 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:59.080 high cost. When when the guy's a pending free agent, 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.919 giants are definitely sellers. I think those are the the 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.560 definite sellers. Those are the names we probably have to watch. 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:10.120 Maybe we missed a name. It's possible we missed a name. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:15.080 But when you're talking about like Kansas City and Colorado, 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.760 like Kansas City is like in this weird spot and 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:22.159 they're where they I don't think they really want to 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.800 sell even though they're out of it, that they don't 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.639 want to like move these guys that they that they 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.240 may have and they just don't have a ton of 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:34.160 attractive pitching options. I know someone's gonna mention Michael Waka. 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.399 I think that's guy with like really scary peripherals. If 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.879 i'm if I'm I'm going off memory on him just 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:42.879 because I haven't I haven't even bothered doing a lot 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:47.840 of research on Michael Waka. Yeah, I mean yeah, like 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.600 no bad strikeout rate, not a high ground ball rate. 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.000 It seems like a guy that could kind of what 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.120 I said about Robbie Ray, like I wouldn't be surprised 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.919 if his final two months aren't that special in Colorado, 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.520 you know, I mean, there may be a reliever there 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.640 that you take a shot on, but I don't think 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.560 there's a starting pitcher that helps this team. 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:10.520 I think the name you mentioned we get into the 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.800 next segment from that free agent class, that one I 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:14.920 think we have circle too. 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.560 Yeah, let's take a quick break and we'll talk a 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:18.760 little bit about Kevin Gosman. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:23.639 If you're watching us. 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.160 You already know we're wearing mack Weldon right now as 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.600 we talk about a great brand that makes things so 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.600 comfortable and easy to wear. 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