WEBVTT - Mark Jackson 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:05.320 All my life, the grinding all my life sacrifice hustle 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.799 back price one a slice, got the broner dice to 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.360 swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life, 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:16.000 all my life, then grinding all my life sacrifice, hustle 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.439 back price one a slice, got the brona dice to 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:24.600 swathe all my life. I've been grinding in all my life. Hello, 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.840 welcome to another additional club Sha Shay, I am your 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.880 whole shedding Sharp also the proprietor club Sha Shake. The 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.920 guy that's stopping by for a conversation. No drink today, 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.000 but he will lead us in devotional service and he 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.720 will definitely give us the benediction. He's a seventeen year 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.680 NBA bet an NBA All Star, nineteen eighty seven Rookie 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.400 of the Year, fourth all time and career assist, and 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.400 he's a former head coach of the Golden State Warriors. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.120 Mark Jackson, Mark, how you doing? I'm doing well, man, 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.440 Thanks for having me the one thing I want I 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:54.800 wanna get before you told me how you do it, 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.080 but I want to know this, how do you Because 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.160 people ask me this when I say things on air 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:02.320 that's catchy. How did you come up with the catchphrase, Mama, 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.080 there goes that man hand down, man down? Shall we 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.440 have this dance? How do you in the moment, like, Okay, 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.360 it's now and you can't come up with those phrases. Well, 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.919 I can attest to the fact that you can relate 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:19.200 to it because it all started in competition. It starts 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.960 in the streets, in the playground at the park. It 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.360 starts in practice. When I make it to the league. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.679 You stumble on the lines just going at you your teammates, 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.680 and practice every single day, playing one on one, two 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.120 on two, three on three, five on five would have 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.280 you just coming up with great catchphrases. And I've been 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.640 fortunate enough to have a couple that have stuck. Did 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:41.640 you know at the time that you were saying it 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.720 that it would stick like it has stuck. That's a 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.600 great question, I would say. No. I would say the 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.440 people just embrace it, and all of a sudden it 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:52.880 catches fire. There's ones that I don't get credit for 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.360 that that started. So it just happens, and then I 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.120 continue to sit on it. And I've been fortunate to 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.800 work with great people that have allow me to take 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.440 advantage of it. Right, So Mark Jackson is away from 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.200 the NBA. What do you do in your off season? 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.000 What do you do to relax? Do you go back 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.560 and watch tape? Look at games? Is okay? I said 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.680 this this, I could have said that, how do you 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.880 How does Mark Jackson get better? Well? I relax first 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.400 and foremost because of a long season. But the way 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.480 you get better is I don't watch a lot of 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.359 film on myself. Okay. What I do is the same 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.320 thing I've done as a kid growing up, wanting to 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.720 be in television, wanting to be an announcer, coach a player. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.600 I watch film, and when I watch film, I watched 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.000 Shannon shop in this thing. Every single day. I watched 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:39.160 the great announces in every sport, right, and I watch 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.640 things that they do exceptionally well, and quite honestly, I 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:44.520 watched some things that they that I think that they 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.920 could do better, and I try to implement it into 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:50.560 my game. So it's a constant period of growth watching 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.360 the greats in every single sports, especially the ones that 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:57.840 I enjoy. I think you might bring and Jeff Van 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.320 Gundy is as good as it gets at what you 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.000 guys do. When they put you guys together, did you 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.280 realize that you were gonna have the chemistry and you 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.200 were gonna have and you were gonna beat what you 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.600 were Well, thank you for the compliment, and I would 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.280 I would say, the one thing you want in those situations, 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.240 and you've been around TV for so long is chemistry. Yes, 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.359 where everybody has one agenda, right, And when you're talking 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.240 about Mike Green and Jeff Van Gundy, we've known each other, 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.400 I would say thirty years minimum, and uh, we are friends. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.560 And what you see during the course of a telecast 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.880 is the same thing you would see during the course 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.520 of going to dinner with us. We are friends, We 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.120 care about each other. We have one agenda, which is 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.480 making each other look exceptionally well. And I take great 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.120 pride and I love those guys. They are absolutely the 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.760 best in the business. And we compliment one another exceptionally well. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.960 How do you because I think you and Jeff do 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.400 a great job of playing off each other. I mean, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.120 he'll say, you know you you're the player, and you're like, nah, 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.200 that's not a I've been in the NBA, that's not 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.800 a fiul and he's like, yeah, but that's not the 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.960 way they call it. Now. How do you guys balance 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.760 that fine line. Well, Mike does a great job in 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:15.440 my opinion, when you look at uh, Ernie Johnson, when 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.800 you look at Magic Johnson, to me, those are the 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.640 and Mike Green the three best point guards they ever 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.640 play the game. And what what what Ernie does with 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.240 T and T and the cast of guys and he has, 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.000 they're they're great because of Ernie. Yeah, he gives you layups, 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.799 ain't no three points give you and he knows also 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.480 when the slam on the brakes and we need to 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.520 get back to business. And Mike Green does the same 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.320 exact thing with us, so he gives us enough room 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.479 and then it's like, okay, guys, let's get back to it. 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.120 But there's never a time when we look at each 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.040 other like you tried to play me on TV. Right, 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.960 you know you're run on right, right, you know we 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.159 understand and we embrace it to the core. Jeff and 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.520 I are the same, but we have different ways of 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.200 getting a certain things, but we we we we have 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.400 total respect for one another. So it's it's a lot 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.600 of fun and and we afterwards whether whether I get 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.560 over on him or you get over on me, and 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.359 it's nothing personal. Let's go back to the NBA Finals, 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.280 the Milwaukee Bucks finally get it done. Yannis was sensational 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.240 going into that series. How did you think the series 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.440 was going to play out? And did it play out 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.599 like you thought it would? No, I wish you would have. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.680 I thought the Phoenix Suns were gonna win because they 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.680 had all the momentum right, they were playing with great confidence. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.880 They truly accepted and embraced the role from from top 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:31.240 to bottom, and and they were the hot team. No 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.279 disrespect to the Milwaukee Bucks. They deserved it. But you 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.760 gotta pick one. And I was wrong in that situation, 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.480 but Chris Paul was playing great basketball. I thought it 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.640 might affect them, uh not having them early on in 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.239 the series in the seat in the series, but once 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.280 they began to play well and get great play from 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.120 Campaigne off the bench, I thought it would be a 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.080 difference maker. But give Jannis a lot of credits, and 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.880 give that team a lot of credits. They really they 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.880 really fought back. U didn't hold the head down and 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.839 h follow their leader, and he was brilliant. When you 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.440 when when I look at Phoenix and if you look 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.279 at what teams have been able to do, teams that 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.400 have knocked the buckside of the playoffs, they built what 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.520 they seek called the wall, and it's basically like, we're 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.839 gonna play. We're not gonna let Yannis kill us in 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:20.320 the paint. Are you surprised that Monty Williams took their 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.599 approach that my big guy DeAndre Aiden can handle Yannis 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.200 one on one. It seemed foolish to me. When you 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.680 look at Toronto, you look at Miami, you look at 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.080 the teams that have beaten them in the playoffs, They've 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:35.640 had a defense of how they were going to play Yannis. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.359 It seemed like Phoenix says, look, we played how we 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.600 play and we're gonna get it done. But Monty Williams 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.520 is an outstanding basketball coach and even more so and 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.840 even better, even even better person who who hit all 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.680 the right buttons and pushed all the right buttons on 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.560 the way to to to go into the finals. And 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.839 and I just think that one decision effected the series 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.400 right the way to beat Unt and the Bucks you 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.640 have to build a wall, right. He's that dominant of 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.360 a player, and if you don't want to build a wall, 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.440 you have to have that exceptional individual defensive stopper that 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.239 does a great job of making him work for everything. 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.400 He's not gonna stop him, but you're gonna make him work, right, 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.400 And and DeAndre Aden, as great as a defender is, 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.080 is asking too much to defend one of the best, 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.600 if not the best player in basketball. And Yannis, especially 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.720 where he was playing, his numbers was incredible the series, 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.320 the way he performed was incredible. I think it was 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.320 a tall task to ask your big band to do 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:36.040 it individually. I think looking back and we all as coaches, 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.800 as players, we look back and want to make better 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.600 decisions and probably would do something different, right, That's one 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.520 thing that probably they would. He was exceptional, and I 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.200 think part of the reason was the defense that was 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.240 played against him. Yeah, because when you mark when I 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.360 look at it, and I saw game one, and I 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.960 look at how non aggressive Yannis was, and I'm like, 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.120 hold on, he only got this many shots, but he 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.480 didn't miss bury many. Seemed like he was just testing 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.600 that knee out. Oh my knee's fine. And then you 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.360 look at the next two games, I was like, they 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:08.840 might be in trouble if they don't come with a 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.800 better playing Yeah, you have to make him even going forward. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.760 There's no surprise. If I'm be honest, I'm sitting at 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.680 home saying they're gonna make me shoot jumpers and they're 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.000 gonna build a wall. That's everybody's strategy. You don't have 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.200 to be a genius to do that right. And you 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.080 have to force him to beat you on your turns, reaches, 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.560 shoot jump shots, and and he has to see two 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.320 or three bodies in front of him at all times. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.000 He didn't see that. He got it going, he got downhill, 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.000 and then he was a night man to defend. And 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.120 because it seemed like the more confidence that he got, 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.400 the better he shot free throws. A guy that would 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.280 have been struggling shooting the free throw, now all of 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.600 a sudden he's seeing the ball go in, and now 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.319 he goes with seventeen or nineteen and get game six. Well, 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.000 to his credit, it's how hard he works, YEA. The 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.600 people that are around him every single day testify to 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.800 the fact of the amount of time he puts in 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.600 every single day before, after practice, later on in the night. 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.280 So he put himself in position to be successful, got 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.440 a rhythm game, confidence, and wasn't afraid. You're talking about 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.160 a guy that looked petrified when the crowd was counting 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.079 one through fifteen or eighteen or whatever it was, and 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.160 was afraid to get to the line, was afraid to 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.760 get foul. All of a sudden, was embracing the contact 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.240 and celebrated the fact that he went to the line, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.640 took deep breaths and knocked him down. Let's just say, 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.160 for the sake of argument, Mark Jackson is the coach 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.280 of the seventy six ers. I know you and Dark 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.360 are good friends. How do you handle the Ben Simmons 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:32.080 situation considering what has transpired since the last time they 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:33.920 were on the court. They lose a Game seven, a 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.559 very tough game seven. Okay, Doc said these words were misconstrued. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.040 It's just my thing is if I if you're the 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.320 head coach and I'm your player, that i'm the player. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.120 And the reporter asked Mark Jackson, Mark, do you believe 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:51.559 you can win a championship with with Shannon? The response absolutely. 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:53.480 We didn't have a good series, we didn't have a 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.520 good game. Give Atlanta credit. They played well. I don't 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.800 believe Mark Jackson can say I don't know that and 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.000 not think the player is going to take offense to 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:08.040 that correct and doctors is an absolute you know, heck 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.480 of a basketball coach, future Hall of Fame as a 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.360 basketball coach did more things than I did as a coach, 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.040 quite honestly, and deserves a lot of credit. And the 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:17.840 thing you can do is own the fact that you 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.360 know I made a mistake, right, I said the wrong thing. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.000 I absolutely believe that this guy Ben Simmons is a 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.360 home run talent and he is a guy that can 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.000 lead us to winning a championship. The question is I 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:30.800 gotta do a better job, right, I mean, let's let's 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.200 put it on you and then Ben. When Ben is asked, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.840 he puts it on himself and big ups the coach. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.000 So in that situation, I think the thing to do 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.600 is to be quite honest, understand that individually, collectively we 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.679 came up short, and we got to find a way 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.720 moving forward to answer and respond to to the things 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.200 that we felt short in doing, whether it be coaching, 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.679 whether it be finishing at the rim, whether it be scoring, 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.680 whether it be making free throws, whether it be our 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.160 best players playing the best on both sides of the floor. 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.080 But be honest, accept the challenge, embrace it, and look 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.800 forward to what lies It's been reported that Ben Simmons 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.000 has spoken with Doc Rivers, He's spoken with the front 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.640 office in the seventy six and says, I do not 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.280 want to be here. I think he took real offense 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.120 last year with the Dreams Harden trade. His name came up. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.360 And you know how it is if a trade ever 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.760 comes up and it comes out that somebody was in 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:22.080 there and it doesn't he doesn't get traded. You got 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.360 some bridges to me and Mark you you you gotta 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.960 fix that, you do. But you also, if you told 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.600 me I was involved in the trade discussion for Isaiah Thomas, 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.400 I'm crazy. If I'm upset, you know, make the deal. 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.480 You know. So if if you're Ben Simmons and you 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.640 say we talked and the discussions about getting James Harden, 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.680 understand who James Harden is, right? And if you're Ben Simmons, 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.160 I understand that I was in the middle of those discussions. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.480 Because in order to get a talent like James Harden, 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.000 you gotta give up something, and the something is even 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.880 joelingbid on me. If I'm Ben Simmons and I'd be 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.240 realistic about it. Now. The other stuff I got a 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.040 problem with when you say we can't win with him, 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.840 that's totally different. But if I'm in discussions with trades 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.960 involving James Harden, I understand that, and I'm wrong if 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.400 I'm upset about it. But it seems like some some 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.240 some some discussions have to be had because Ben Simmons 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.880 is pretty set in his ways, understanding that he's been 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.160 insulted as a franchise talent, and uh, you win in 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.079 this league with talent, right, so you gotta find a 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.280 way to either fix it or make sure when you 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.560 do unload Ben Simmons in the trade, you have to 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.360 get top notch challenged back, well, how does how does 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.840 Mark Jackson make it right? Ben Simmons has already told 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.720 you he doesn't want to be there. What was said 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.960 was what was said. What Joel and Bean said that 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.079 the momentum seemed to have shield we had a lay 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:35.720 up and we end up getting one point out of 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.360 the deal. They're gonna have to be some fences mendic 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:42.040 in that situation, How does Mark Jackson go to Ben 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.160 Simmonson say, let's have a conversation. See we would have 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.440 met early on, right, because I made a mistake. If 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.680 I'm doc ruvers. If you put me in that situation 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.760 by making the initial comment and then joeln b makes 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.800 the mistakes by pointing to one significant play and act 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.920 like that is why we lost. We didn't mention it 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.280 was across the board. It was a collective effort. Yes, 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.040 the reason why we're in that position because because of 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.839 us collectively. And the reason why we have fallen short 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.400 is because of us collectively. So one thing I want 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.600 to do is get us in together and let's talk 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.679 about it. Let's talk about it. We're gonna do this thing. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.040 You're not gonna do it individually. I'm not gonna do 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.360 it individually. The reason we're here is collectively. Let's embrace that. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.080 Let's own the mistakes we've made, and if there's a 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.920 way that we can fix this thing. Because you only look, 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.320 I'm sitting there as a guy that played in the finals, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.640 have been in the playoffs a bunch of times, have 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.120 been on some great teams that had the ability to win. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.960 But I'm not a championship player with championship jewelry. I've 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.560 fallen short. If you are in a situation where you 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.160 have home run talent and everything going for you, you 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.400 have a realistic chance to win it all. Let's make 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.400 sure we capitalize and take advantage of it, because we 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.040 don't want to look back and say the foolishness that 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.800 that that we thought was important really wasn't important at 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:58.800 the end of the day. But how do everybody keeps 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.040 saying what we could be can teach band Das and 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.480 if he shoot, if he developed the three, dam the 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.280 three ball. I think there's there's too much emphasis on 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.199 the three ball. If I can get a good two 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:08.560 point shot, if I can get a lay up, I 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.400 get a ten foot why am I gonna rub behind 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.960 the free throw line? What is it about being Because 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.400 you mentioned earlier about the work that Jannis is put in, 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:17.480 and this is what I told people, It's hard for 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.320 me to see a scenario mark where someone doesn't work 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.080 at something and doesn't get incrementally better. He hasn't gotten 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.120 better at shooting the basketball, why I'm not sure. If 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.400 he hasn't gotten better in shooting the basketball, he's that's 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:32.280 the reason. He's the one guy in the history of 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.160 the game that we've seen that just won't won't shoot it. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.160 I would sell to him shoot the basketball right because 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.080 we want to win the way we're gonna We are 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.880 gonna win because you are an elite basketball player. You 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.880 are a franchise talent. Shoot the basketball. You're not coming 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.360 out of the game. Don't you worry about a thing. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.160 I want you to be aggressive. I want you to 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.560 keep your foot on the gas pedal, because an aggressive 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.160 Ben Simmons makes us ungoidable, makes us the favorite, and 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.760 not just the Eastern Conference, but in all of basketball. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.560 He's too grade at everything else. You're talking about a 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.600 guy the only thing you look at is bad free 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.040 throw shooter and doesn't shoot the jump shot. Everything else 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.120 he is elite at and I think it hard. It's 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.240 kind of hard market if you're a basketball player, you 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.080 jump shot in the free throw it's kind of hard 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.240 to do that. It is hard. But you look at 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.920 his numbers, you look at the rebounds, the points to 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.720 assist the elite defender. He is an exceptional basketball player. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.520 If I'm if I'm a team sitting around the league, 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.680 one of the other twenty nine teams in this league, 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:26.880 I'm trying to make a deal to go get Ben Simmons, 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.400 because what you are talking about is a guy that 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.600 you're nitpicking. I'm looking at an elite basketball talent that 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.280 that you don't have to beg to get into the 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.960 basketball arena. You don't have to beg the practice, you 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.080 don't have to beg the play. Odd he is, He's 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.280 a guy that really should be celebrated, and we are 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.600 being awfully tough on him, deservedly sold to a certain extent. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.040 But there are things that he does at an elite 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:54.040 level that we're overlooking. But you said he won't shoot. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.200 There's a difference between won't shoot and being afraid to shoot. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.600 If you can't swim, I can teach you out of 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.720 twim if you're not afraid of the water. But if 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.640 you're afraid of the water, ain't nothing I can do 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.600 for you. You're right about that. I'm crazy enough to 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.560 believe I've been blessed and fortunate in my life since 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.240 I've been a kid. I have the ability to push 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.240 your button. No matter who I meant, I would find 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.320 that button and get him. He's not gonna be Steph Curry. 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.400 This just to beat you don't need him to be 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.880 Steph Curry. But he's a guy that he's too good 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.160 in the summertime shooting the basketball. Yes, that he should 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.480 not go from that to not shooting. I would tell 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.880 him chase the grades the talent that he has. He's 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.400 not playing against the guys in today's game. Right if 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:41.080 he becomes a decent shooter and a guy that was 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.200 willing to shoot, a willing shooter, he's chasing at all 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:48.240 time great lists. When you look at the moves that 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.440 have been made this offseason, which teams made some of 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.360 the best move to put themselves in position to get 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:59.480 you and compete and win that title. Off the top 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.720 of my head, I look at the Brooklyn Nets and 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.399 you get LaMarcus All just back healthy, thank God that 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.200 he's okay and back on the floor. You go get 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.800 a Paul millsap and the most important thing to me, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.480 well not the most you get Blake Griffin back, but 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.520 the most important thing to me is you get Kevin Durant, 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.280 James Harden and Kyrie Irvan some rest so they come 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.320 back healthy and hold that they're the favorite. I mean 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:28.760 this justin they are the favorite. When you're talking about 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.840 those three guys and how good they are, I love 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.399 what the Lakers have done. People talking about gotten old. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.639 At the end of the day, give me guys that 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.399 are experienced that know how to get it done. And 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:42.760 I'll make sure that I don't tax them come practice time, 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.920 tax them in game situations, over putting an overload of 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.720 work on them, and making sure that they are healthy 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.040 and hold when it matters most, I'll let the chips 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.600 fall where they may. If I'm the Lakers playing against anybody, 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:59.320 have we ever seen three elite level offensive players like 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.400 what brook It has with Katie, James Harden and Kyrie 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.960 in their prime on one team at a given time. No? 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.639 Is that a drict question? No, matter of fact, I 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.040 don't cuss, but the heck no, No, I mean these 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.159 are three guys that you can go get give the 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.399 basketball too, and say make a play. I don't have 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.440 to draw up anything individually. It will go get a shot. 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.080 I'll make sure you get a quality shot every trip 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:26.399 down the floor. Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Kevin Durant. You 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.359 cannot think of a trio that is as good as 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.119 those guys on one team other than the Dream Team. Right. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:37.760 But no, No, when you mentioned you like Brooklyn, you 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:45.000 like the Lakers. Kawai put Kawhi. Let's just say Kawai 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.320 gets healthy and he plays, not history tells us that 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.200 Kawai is a type of guy that makes sure he's 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.800 one hundred percent. So I'm not totally sure that he's 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:54.720 gonna come back and play the twenty twenty one. He 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.800 probably won't be back until the following season. But after 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.440 what you saw with the Clipper, do you like them 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.800 moving forward? My problem with the Clippers is the culture. 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.800 For some reason, they have all the talent in the 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.800