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Speaker 1: welcome to another additional club Sha Shay, I am your

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Speaker 1: but he will lead us in devotional service and he

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Speaker 1: will definitely give us the benediction. He's a seventeen year

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Speaker 1: Mark Jackson, Mark, how you doing? I'm doing well, man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me the one thing I want I

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Speaker 1: people ask me this when I say things on air

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Speaker 1: that's catchy. How did you come up with the catchphrase, Mama,

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Speaker 1: What do you do to relax? Do you go back

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Speaker 1: Shannon shop in this thing. Every single day. I watched

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Speaker 1: Ben Simmons makes us ungoidable, makes us the favorite, and

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Speaker 1: understand that. They think, well, I'm the superstar, YadA YadA, YadA. No,

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Speaker 1: you will make those other guys in that locker room,

429
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,200
Speaker 1: whether it's football, baseball, back, I don't care a sport

430
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 1: if they feel you're abusing those privileges. And I heard you,

431
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 1: you heard what I heard. Well, we don't leave until Kauhai.

432
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: We don't practice till Kauai. We don't do this. No, no, no,

433
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 1: you can't be the act I get it. Some days

434
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: Kauhi might not want to practice. We cool. I'm good

435
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 1: with that, but the hold up a whole plane, right,

436
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 1: And some days, guess what, I gotta work with you also,

437
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta use my smarts as a leader

438
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: to take advantage of situation. Alan Ivason said, practice practice.

439
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 1: He's one hundred percent right right. I played against Alan Avason.

440
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 1: I know the the way he keeps his foot on

441
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: the gas spital all game long. He needs the chill

442
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 1: come practice time. But me, as a coach, guess what

443
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: some of those days when when Alan says he can't practice,

444
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 1: nobody practice, I'm gonna throw everybody a bone because it's

445
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: not gonna just be he shut it down when he wants.

446
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 1: I have to be smart enough to say, okay, nobody practice.

447
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 1: Trut some of those guys like their stars even though

448
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: they're not. Throw them a bone and make sure everybody

449
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,719
Speaker 1: understands what it takes to win. Mark, you are a shooter.

450
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 1: You can shoot the basketball. You're a good free throw shooter.

451
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: What some of the advice? Because Ben Simmons had the

452
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 1: worst free throw percentage of the playoffs in NBA history

453
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,959
Speaker 1: thirty four percent, and you said he could it is stroke.

454
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: It looks good. It's not like, you know, one hand

455
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: is over the other and the ball is like his

456
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: stroke looks good. How would you fix that? Shoot? Trust

457
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: Trust the work you put in. If you come in

458
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 1: and practice, and you come in after practice, and you

459
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: come in late at night, and you come in an

460
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: off season and you put the time in, trust the

461
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: work you put in. And then guess what. Leave it

462
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: to me that when they start hacking a Simmons or

463
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: hacking of band, whatever you want to call down the

464
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: stretch of a ball game, and I believe that you're

465
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: hurting us and putting us a position lose a game,

466
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: leave it to me to take you out. But I

467
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: think you have to be able to go through the

468
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: process of losing some games to allowing him to gain confidence,

469
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: and then it's still a confidence in them. Right. I

470
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: trust you, forget about what the media says, forget about

471
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: what the fans say. I trust you because at the

472
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: end of the day, in order for us to win

473
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 1: it all, I believe that you're gonna step up there

474
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 1: and make big free throws. He's done it, right, he

475
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: has absolutely done it, and he has the ability to

476
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: do it. Mark. We've seen guys. You and I have

477
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: no problem speaking in front of the public. I've seen

478
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 1: guys that can speak. You and I were speaking speaking

479
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: to carry it all, having a great time. But if

480
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: somebody else gets in front of them, and somebody else

481
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 1: here the or camera back up. So now I see

482
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: him shooting in the gym. And you mentioned all that,

483
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: but it's almost like, man, if I miss this, they're

484
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: gonna boo if I miss this. Unlike yann Is, y'all

485
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,479
Speaker 1: dis missed air balls the three. That's what he does.

486
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: He gets the ball again, coming right, shoots it again. Yeah,

487
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: he air balls a free throw. Johannis goes right back

488
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: to the who filed me again, I'm going right back

489
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: to the basket. Whereas being like you follow him, he

490
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: misses a couple, He's like, nah, you go ahead and

491
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: take that right and and I've witnessed that firsthand. And

492
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: sometimes you need a good height man. Sometimes you need

493
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: a guy and you're encouraging you, inspiring you, building you

494
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: up and trusting me. And that could be the coach

495
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 1: at times. But sometimes I showed the video, Okay, who

496
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: who is encouraging this guy? Who's going up to the

497
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: file line and speaking a word to inspire him. Yeah,

498
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: you know who's doing that? Instead everybody's looking around and

499
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: nervous and staying away from it. We need to start

500
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: building each other up individually and collected. That's what the

501
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: team is all about. And I don't see that, and

502
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: it all of a sudden explodes. When when when we

503
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: see down the stretch, all of a sudden is him

504
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: and twenty thousand people doing And we know how Philadelphia

505
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: fans bad. I saw the news report, they like hare's

506
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons leaving and there was a trash can't be

507
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: floating down and the flood. I'm like, come on, you

508
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: see the highly fold to come back and like feel

509
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: comfortable right in the city. When y'all call a man

510
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: a trash can he floating down the river? Absolutely? You

511
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: know what I go, I show him Look at these

512
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: numbers and how many guys are doing what you're doing? Right,

513
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: Look at what you've done on the defensive. Man, we

514
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: looked at the closing game trade young struggle, it's because

515
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: of it's because of Ben Simmons in the way he

516
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: disrupted them defensively. Right, how about showing that so there's

517
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: a way to encourage him and sell them you're a

518
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: bad man, and now go out there and act like it.

519
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Nets. Can the Nets win a championship

520
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: minus one of the big three? Yes, you believe Yes, yes,

521
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: I mean those other two dudes. Whoever, the other two

522
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: dudes are some serious problems that they create on a

523
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: night in basis, So they have the ability every single time,

524
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: every single time down the floor to get a quality

525
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: look and they're fishing basketball players whatever, whatever two you

526
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Speaker 1: want to leave me with, They absolutely have the ability

527
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: because they have the ability to have the two best

528
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: players in any series in basketball. I think he gonna

529
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: need I think he need that tall guy that same foot.

530
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: He got to be one of the two. He gottah.

531
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Speaker 1: I agree with that, But they still have the ability

532
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: to win. But if they have the seventh foot, they're

533
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 1: the favorite. Yeah, Because I don't know if we've ever

534
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: seen you've been around the game a lot longer than

535
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: I have. I don't know if we've ever seen a

536
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: team have three guys that on a given I can

537
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: go get you fifty. No, And we used to us

538
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: you could say that, but we really didn't mean you. Right,

539
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: These three guys have the ability to go get it, legit,

540
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: go get you every whenever they want. How does Russ

541
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: fit in with the Lakers? We take Russ for granted.

542
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: This guy is average a triple double. I don't know

543
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Speaker 1: how many years, four out of five years, four out

544
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: of five years. Okay, when we were younger and they

545
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: said Oscar Robinson did, we was like it never happened again.

546
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: It never happened again. I mean, I'll humbly submit. I

547
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: was a guy that got a decent amount of triple doubles.

548
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: But if you told me I had a chance to

549
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: do it for a season, I'd be like, man, you

550
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: must be crazy, You out of your mind. This kind

551
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: of the effort that it takes, because now you gotta

552
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: hustle to get rebound because the assist is because you

553
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: can you depended on someone else. I think the hard part.

554
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: If you're an NBA player and you play hard, you're

555
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: gonna get the double digit point. I think points of

556
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: the easy part. But when you got to chase that

557
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: rebound as a six three guard, I would The only

558
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: reason I would argue with you is because this guy

559
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: came into the league not as a point guard. Right.

560
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 1: It was a shocker for Oklahoma City to take him

561
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: as high as they took him as a point guard,

562
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: so give them credit. He I played with him, the

563
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: late great Kobe Bryant at a camp in the night.

564
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: We played in front of the kids, and Russell Westbrook

565
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: was on my team and he came and got the ball.

566
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, dude, you're the two. I'm the one, right,

567
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: let me go. Let me make the decision to get

568
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: you the basketball. But he is a legitimate point guard,

569
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: So I think the hardest thing for him was to

570
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: go get those ten assists every night. How many guys

571
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: in the history of the game got ten assists that

572
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: were true playment. He didn't come in that way. So

573
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: the easy part for him to chase now rebounds And

574
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: people say, well he chased down the rebounds, Well, go

575
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: get me a guy to go get tim rebounds. I

576
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: would chase down some rebounds. So this guy's greatness has

577
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: been taken for granted, and he's gonna fit in because

578
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: he's an elite talent at as a first ballot Hall

579
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: of Famer. And I'm happy for him because he's gonna

580
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: have a real chance playing with great talent to win more.

581
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: Ad how does a D factor Because a D did

582
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: not play last year like he played his first year

583
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: in LA. Now. I don't know what transpired. Everybody knows

584
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: it was a fast turnaround. The championship was over in

585
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: October and you're playing again Christmas or whatever time that was,

586
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: so you didn't have the normal rest period. And A

587
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: D looked like didn't look like he did. How does

588
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: a a D and this and Lebron and these guys,

589
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: how did they come together and says, Okay, we're gonna

590
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: contend for you. I'm a no excuse guy, and I

591
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: understand the short turnaround, but everybody had a short turn

592
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: exactly at the end of the day. What a D

593
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: has to do is make sure and some of it's

594
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: you know, he's gotten hurt, and he's a guy that

595
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: has gotten hurt not just once, but several times throughout

596
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: the cost of his career. He's got to stay healthy

597
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: and that's that's the main thing. When he's healthy and

598
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: hold he's an elite basketball player and does everything that

599
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: put the team in position with it also the thing

600
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: to me, the only thing I would look at with him,

601
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: because when he's healthy, he's fine. He's dominant on the offenseman, Yeah,

602
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: he's dominated defensively, the ability to play one through five,

603
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: that'll take care of itself. But the main thing for

604
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: me is make sure that Anthony Davis is healthy. Mark,

605
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: you played this game seventeen years. You've commentated for almost

606
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: two decades when you watch Lebron, because I think people

607
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: people like your home you little Lebron staying, Oh, I

608
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: didn't notice that people said about you. Do we take

609
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: Lebron for granted? Yes, yes we do. I mean I

610
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: can remember playing for a team and Lebron was in

611
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: high school and he was on TV. And I came

612
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: into the locker room the next day and I said,

613
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be special. It's like, no, this

614
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: guy is gonna be hyped up and he's gonna fall

615
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: short because they've given him everything. I'm like, no, No,

616
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: did you watch the guy I saw last night on TV?

617
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: He has no weaknesses in this game. Make a long

618
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: story short. We go back, move forward all of these

619
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: years later, and you look at his resume, all the

620
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: things he's been able to accomplish individually and collectly, the

621
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: different stops, the way he's made guys better, and and

622
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: and the worst thing you can say about him is

623
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: he got a hummerland and the decision? Are you kidding me?

624
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: This guy is as good as it gets, and we

625
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: truly take him for granted the same way we do

626
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: all of our grades. But but but he's a guy

627
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: that's done it the right way and continues to take

628
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: pride and finishing the proper way. He should be celebrated

629
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: and acknowledged. We truly do take him for granted. He's special.

630
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: We've never because I think the thing is that we've

631
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: never had a guy that's gonna gonna be top ten

632
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: and assists and can possibly be the all time leading

633
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: score in the NBA history. And when you mentioned great scores,

634
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: Lebron James never comes up. You talk about Katie, you

635
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: talk about hard and you talk about Kobe, you talk

636
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: about MJ, you talk about Will. You don't talk about

637
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: Lebron James and Harris, a guy that's on the cusp

638
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: of being the all time leading score in the NBA history.

639
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: Think about it. This guy is gonna be, if if

640
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Speaker 1: he stays healthy, gonna be the leading scorer in NBA history. Right,

641
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: And I'm a point guard that's a past first point

642
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: guard that played seventeen years and this guy will one

643
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: day pass me as an assist man. I would have

644
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: been like, there's no way in the world. That's how

645
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: great he is. And I'm not talking about me being great.

646
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the one gift that I did have

647
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: that couldn't be questioned with my ability to find guys.

648
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: This guy will have done a better job than me

649
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: and be the leading scorer in the history of the game.

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00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean he is, he is. He is an incredible

651
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Speaker 1: basketball player. And it doesn't look like he's slowing down

652
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: at all. When he's healthy. He is dominating as usual.

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00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: Well why why isn't he appreciated a celebrated more. I

654
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: think today we have the internet, and when you have

655
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: the Internet that you have an Instagram, you have Twitter,

656
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: you have people you know, just just everybody, the analysts,

657
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: everybody of the coach, everybody. Now you can break down

658
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: all analytics and all that to the to his purist

659
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: form and nitpick. This guy is a special, all time great,

660
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: not just basketball player, but athlete that we've ever seen.

661
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: And he's in discussion with anybody you ever want to mention.

662
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: And I just think we take him for granted, and

663
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: it's the easy thing to do to go on the

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Speaker 1: other side and say, we've we've heard, we've heard Janni

665
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: say that Lebron was the best player in the world.

666
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: Right we we we we've witnessed these guys give credit

667
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: to Lebron. Why want everybody else? He is a special

668
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: talent that will be in a discussion for anybody. That's

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00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: the best I've ever played this game. And isn't a discussion.

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00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: You played in an era where they beat the literally

671
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: could beat the hell at you. And it was only

672
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: a file. It wasn't no flagrant files. It wasn't nobody

673
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: getting suspended. Why did so hard for errors to give

674
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: different errors credit? It seems like people him your era

675
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: refused to give the guys in today there. Oh he

676
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: couldn't have played with us? No, no, no, you're right.

677
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: But but don't you talk about me, because I know

678
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: you hurt y'all football players. I know for me, I

679
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: won't give credy Aaron Donald's great. These guys are great.

680
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's a different era. So it's hard to

681
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: bring a guy here and put it there or there

682
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: and bring it here. It is hard, and and and

683
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: there's guys quite honestly, I'm not I don't you know

684
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: subscribe to that this haters that you want to make

685
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: it seem like you're days and we wouldn't have done this.

686
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, there are certain

687
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: guys that certainly would not be the same player in

688
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: our day that they are today because the rules would

689
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: affect them, right. And then there are certain guys that

690
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: you can put them in today's game. You can put

691
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: them in the seventies, the eighties, the nineties, the sixties,

692
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: the fifties. Lebron James is Lebron James, no matter when

693
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: he played right, guess what the great defenders that wanted

694
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: to be physical and beat him up, we saw that.

695
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: It ain't like It's not like the Detroit Pistons of

696
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: Chauncey and Rip and and Rashid and Ben Wallace and Tayshawn.

697
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: It's not like they didn't try to beat him up. Right,

698
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: he got twenty something in the fourth quarter and close

699
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: out of game attacking the rim, going into the paint.

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00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: He is a special talent and there's special guys that

701
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: still have the ability to get it done today and

702
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: certainly would be giving us the business in my day

703
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: What do you feel about the super teams? The thing

704
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: that I hear now old Michael would have never joined

705
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: Larry Ladd would have never joined Magic, this one of

706
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: that one. It seems to me that they were always

707
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: only a handful of team that could really compete. When

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00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: you look at the eighties, it was the Lakers and

709
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: the Lakers, the Celtics and the Sixers. That was in

710
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: the eighties. Ain't nobody else telling you Houston went, Houston

711
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: went twice, but it was mainly the Lakers in the Celtics, right,

712
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: And nobody had a problem with that. Ain't nobody said,

713
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: Oh man, the NBA watered down eye for two teams.

714
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: But now it's like man, ain't nobody else got no chance.

715
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: We had a video game called Lake Versus something. That's

716
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: how dominant it was. Think about today, you're not gonna

717
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: pick two teams and that's the name of the video games.

718
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: You don't think of an individual player. It's it's just

719
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: I haven't I have no problem with super teams. People

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00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: are right that Magic wouldn't have joined Bird, and Bird

721
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't have joined Magic, and Michael would but they were loaded.

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00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: When you look at Larry Bird, why should he go

723
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: join somebody else. He's sitting there with Dennis Johnson, the

724
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: late great Dennis Johnson, Hall of Famer, Danny Angel's an

725
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: outstanding shooting guard. Who Kevin Dale, who's as good as

726
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: it gets at the powerful pusent at Hall of Famer.

727
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: Robert Parrish is the Hall of Fame, Bill Wallden on

728
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: the beach. And then you look at magic. He got

729
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: worthy Byron Scott, kareem Ac Green, Michael Tom These guys

730
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: are loaded what we want to do. But I will

731
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: say this, Lebron James changed the game and it doesn't

732
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: get enough credit for that. He changed the game not

733
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: only as a basketball player, but he changed the game

734
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: as a businessman, and he he allowed guys to realize

735
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: the power that there. I was on the team once.

736
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name the best player Patrick Ewing. But

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00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: we got on the bus and Patrick Ewing said to

738
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: the coach, you know, because because he had a car

739
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: that he could drive after the game, So he said

740
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: to the coach, I want to jump in the car.

741
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna drive on the bus. I'm you know,

742
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: game over it. The coach looked at Pat you and

743
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: it said, big fella, I want you on the big bus.

744
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: Pat came steaming sitting on the back of the bus.

745
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: Didn't realize the you're not disrespecting this coach by getting

746
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: in the car after the game and driving off. Pat

747
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: stayed on the bus. He didn't realize the power that

748
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: he had. Lebron James changed the game to for guys

749
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: to understand the power that they have as businessmen and

750
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: making the right decisions. So so Kevin Durant decides, I

751
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: want to go to Golden State, It's all right. And

752
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant decides I want to leave Golden State and

753
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: go to Brooklyn. It's all right. People realize it's it's

754
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: their future, their legacy. They have to make the right decision.

755
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: It seems to me that people are fine if the

756
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: team put a super team together, like Resting Soul coach

757
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: y'all back he put the Celtics together, the great Dared

758
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: Wet he put the Lakers together. That's fine. But now

759
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: a player as y'all shouldn't want to do that. But

760
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: it's different these guys the AAU circuit, so everybody knows everybody.

761
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't played against you, man, you're cool, man, Hey,

762
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: what you think we link up right, And so that's

763
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: the way players are are approaching it now, and it's

764
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's totally different. Like you're talking about au.

765
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: When we got into the All Star Game locker room,

766
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: are Summer League would have you, we wasn't hanging out.

767
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't hanging out with Mike, even though even though

768
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: Mike good dude, and we've been around each other, I

769
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: wasn't hanging out with him. I played with Patrick, you

770
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: and when I got traded to the Pacers, I wasn't

771
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: hanging out with Patrick. So y'all didn't go to dinner?

772
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: What you come No, we didn't go to dinner. I'm

773
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm ready to hand you your head. And guess what.

774
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: There's a side of me. Well, there's a whole side

775
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: of me that that was wrong. It's my god, it's

776
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: my brother. So so I appreciate what these guys are

777
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: doing today because at the end of the day, we

778
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: can go because the coaches and management was watching, or

779
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: you went to eat with Pat, Oh, you ain't serious

780
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: about this, so they put that in your mind. I

781
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: can go to eat with Pat you and guess what,

782
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: we can go eat right now? And then hour from now,

783
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: after joking and eating before we could go play one

784
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: on one. I know you're gonna try to give me

785
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: the business, and I'm gonna try to do the same

786
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: thing to you, and then we can go to dinner

787
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: the next day. That was stripped away from us because

788
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: of the way that they instilled it to us that

789
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: that's not how you, but that's not how what they

790
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: did with Mike Mike was playing golf with guys the

791
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: day before the game, and then he go out there

792
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: and bust them up. Mike was the psychological warfielder. Mike Mike,

793
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. There's no question about it,

794
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: and took full advantage of the psychological warfare and knew

795
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: who to utilize it on. Give me your give me

796
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: your five best players today, the five best layers oh Man,

797
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, no order, no order, Lebron, James,

798
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, Joannis, Steph Curry. Who am I forgetting? You

799
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: got Dame, you got jorylan Bead, you got Nicola Yokich,

800
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: you got Kyrie, you got Hardened. I'm gonna say James

801
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: Harden again. Look at the numbers this guy consistently puts

802
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: up and has put up and people say, well he

803
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: hasn't won, Well, what was he supposed to win, you know,

804
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: other than one one time? Maybe? Okay, see it's like

805
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: the second or third year. Yeah, yeah, are when Houston

806
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: had to lead against the Golden State and christ Paul

807
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: Hamstring went out. Okay, yeah. So so he is a

808
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: guy that we also take for granted. I mean, think

809
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: about it, the assistant, this guy a natural born score. Yes,

810
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: it's averaging year in and year out, right, I mean

811
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: he's he's an incredible basketball player that doesn't get enough

812
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: credit and should should should be a multiple time MVP

813
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: Award winner. You played, I'm looking at the guys, some

814
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: of the guys that you played with. When you're playing

815
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: with those guys, what what is it like to be

816
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: playing with a historically great player? You know, when you're

817
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: playing I played with John Elway, played with Ray Lewis,

818
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: I played with Jonathan Ogden at the time. I'm a

819
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: good player myself, I know, I'm like, play with Rob Woodson,

820
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: Garretson and guys. It's in the Hall of Fame. What

821
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: is it like? You know? I hear Charles Barkin said

822
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: playing with great players makes your job easier. When you're

823
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: playing with these great players, what's going through your mind?

824
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: You're doing a good job, by the way down playing

825
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: Shannon Shot. I'm just saying I watch so I'm well

826
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: aware at the guys that you name felt the same

827
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: way about what you brought to the tables as a

828
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: talent too. But you realize no matter who you face,

829
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: whether it's Michael Jordan, whether it's Charles Barkley, whether it's

830
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: Kareem al dul Jabal, Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas, Larry Berry,

831
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: whoever it is, when you're in the locker room with

832
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: a guy like Reggie Miller or Patrick Ewing, that I

833
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: was fortunate to be with those guys are in college

834
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: with Chris Mullen, Walter Berry, we were absolutely special. We

835
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: should have won a national championship. But that's that's that's

836
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: another story gone we go. We gonna get to that.

837
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: But when you when you look at Michael Jordan and

838
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: the other locker room and Reggie Miller is sitting on

839
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: alongside of your Patrick Ewing, you're thinking to yourself, we

840
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: got this. Not because they're better than Michael Jordan, but

841
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: I believe that these guys can play them to a

842
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: stand still. So Pat, Michael Jordan, get thirty five. Pat,

843
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: you can go get thirty five. Reggie Miller, go get

844
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: thirty five. So now, if the rest of us can

845
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: do our job, it gives you life to It's easy

846
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: to figure out how we're gonna eat them, because if

847
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: we can outplay the rest of these dudes, we can

848
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: go get it done. They give you life, They give

849
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: you an edge mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, and and and

850
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: and and convince yourself that we can go get it done.

851
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: That's what greatness. Ultimately, does we know what he became?

852
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: When you're playing against Michael Jordan? Did you realize he

853
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: was that good? And twenty years thirty years later, he's

854
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: still gonna be talked about like he's talked about. Did

855
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: you realize that when you playing it? Yeah, yeah, you

856
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: knew it. You knew it he was He was just

857
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: a different dude. He was just a different dude. And

858
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 1: like I said, we felt we were the better basketball team.

859
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: And you think about it, Scottie Pippen is an all

860
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: time great, top fifty player, will be a top seventy

861
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: five player. Is in the discussion for you know, when

862
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about the greatest small force that ever played

863
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: this game and deserves a lot of credit early on

864
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: though he wasn't that Scottie Pippen right, he had to

865
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: develop into that guy. Michael Jordan's single handley once series.

866
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: I can remember Une ninety one, my last year with

867
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: the Knicks. We were beating them up. We had physical

868
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: guys at every single position, and we well Xavier McDaniel,

869
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: John Smith wasn't on the team, but we would load it, yes,

870
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: and we were. We were on a mission to physically

871
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: beat them up. Michael Jordan's single handedly and and Tony

872
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: Cukos played good. Scotti Pitt played good. But the feeling

873
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: of having number twenty three on your team did something

874
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: to them. He's single handy won the serious It's something

875
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: about having us a guy that you know, no matter

876
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: what they do. Man, this guy here can supersede anything

877
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: y'all do. It could have a team, he could drop

878
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: that back. He's a big joker. Yeah, yeah, that's what

879
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: he is. The key. But who ever got that big joker?

880
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: When it drops, there's a rap, there's a rap. And

881
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: we we went over to this gallery port we said

882
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: how we were going to defend them we said how

883
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: we were gonna send them in different direct It didn't matter.

884
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: He had an answer for every single thing we put forth,

885
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: and and and and physically he was more than willing

886
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: to go through whatever he had to go through to win.

887
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: All time great competitor. The only guy that I was

888
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: put in the discussion because both of these guys unfortunately

889
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: late grade, Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. In my opinion,

890
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: the two guys ever played against that was willing to

891
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: leave it all on the court, and I didn't mean

892
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: it all. They were willing to if if it meant

893
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: dropped dead on the floor. Those two guys, I'm convinced,

894
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: would be willing to do that for the victory. Now,

895
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: I would say this as great as a competitor I am.

896
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: That ain't my testamore. I want to win, but not

897
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: at not at all, not not at that expense. I'm

898
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: not willing to take my last breath and win. You

899
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: was in college when Michael was in college. Did you

900
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: see that? Did you see Michael Jordan, the Mike Jordan

901
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: in college becoming the Michael the mj the era, the logo.

902
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: Did you see him becoming that in the NBA and

903
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: I had a guy I grew up with, and Kenny

904
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: Smith played on that North Carolina team. We played him

905
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: in Maddam Square Garden and they talking about Michael Jordan's

906
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: special and needs this, and we played him. I mean,

907
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: was he was very good. He was very very good.

908
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: But if you ask me that, I think that that

909
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: guy would wind up being that guy. No, and it's

910
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: who who could, right? But he's, my goodness, he's a

911
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: different animal. He is an absolute different animal and a

912
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: guy that and you look at you look at another note,

913
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: you look at all the greats, whether it be singing, acting,

914
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, boxing, basketball, football, or whatever. I think we

915
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: sometimes take people like that for granted, and we don't

916
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: show him the love that they deserve until they take

917
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: their last breath, they close their last side, and we

918
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: should acknowledge just exactly what he's meant and put up,

919
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: excuse me, put us all in position to be successful

920
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: as basketball players, as human beings and should be celebrated more.

921
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: You mentioned that like the child Michael Jackson, you knew

922
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: as a child as he was, rather when he became

923
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: when he became adult, and you knew eventually he was

924
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: gonna go on his own he was gonna be special,

925
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: like Lebron. You watch him growing up, middle school, high school,

926
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: you said you knew he would be special. Some people

927
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: you just know. You know the first time you was

928
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: on TV. I remember it was it was the other network,

929
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: I remember, and you were watching and like or somebody

930
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: gonna sign this. Dude, you just knew it. And I'm

931
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: not trying to you know, I'm not stroking you. I'm

932
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: telling you the truth. You just knew you had it right,

933
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: and and and and you have. You have taken that

934
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: opportunity right and propelled it into now, you know, making

935
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: history on your own off the field. You know, when

936
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: when special people have it, and the people that you

937
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: name they have it, it should be recognized. It should

938
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: be celebrated, not hated on, but appreciate it. Are the

939
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: are the players today? Are they more skilled? I'm not

940
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: saying they're better. Are they more skilled? Are you good

941
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: at this? I thought I was gonna come here and

942
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: chill and just you know, to throwaway line and we

943
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: gap up and get on out of there. But you

944
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: put you putting impressure on me. Man. I will say this,

945
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: Today's players are certainly more athletic, more skilled, shooting, handling,

946
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: uh more versatile. The one thing that they are not

947
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: they're not as smart. And it's not a not because

948
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: you're right. Because I didn't have the athleticism, the quickness,

949
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: the explosiveness. I had to become smarter than everybody else

950
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: on the floor. So I studied the game at seven

951
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: years old. At eight years old, I knew inside out

952
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: whatever situation you put me in, I knew how to

953
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: respond and how to have an answer. And it may

954
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: not have the answer, but I knew what the answer was.

955
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: I don't think because these guys are so athletic, so versatile,

956
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: so explosive, so fast, I don't think they have to

957
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: lean on the same smarts understanding that we had to

958
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: growing up. It's a credit to how far they've come

959
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: as basketball players. But now you have to match the

960
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: talent with the smarts. You were in Golden State and

961
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: you should get credited for letting the foundation of what

962
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: the Warriors became, almost like what Tony Dungeon was doing

963
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: in Tampa, and Gruden came in and finished it off.

964
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: Steve Kirk came in. He's doing a great job. Not

965
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: to minimize Steve Kirk because he's done a great job

966
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: building on the foundation that you established. But in practice,

967
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: you're watching Steph and you're watching Clay shoot the basketball,

968
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: and you said, this is the greatest backcourt shooting basketball

969
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: the NBA has ever seen. And people laughed at you.

970
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: They called you crazy. They said, Mark Jackson, you just

971
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: started like that because they're on his team. What was

972
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: it about what you were witnessing practice that made you

973
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: so sure they were gonna be able to carry this

974
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: overcome game time? The way they practice, the way they prepared,

975
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: how serious they took their gift. It was an easy

976
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: call for me, and to close that statement. After I

977
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: made the statement, I said it it nat even close.

978
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: If you don't believe me, call my bluff. It was.

979
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: I wasn't sitting that line. I believed everything I said

980
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: based on the facts that I witnessed every single day,

981
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: and and I don't I didn't think I don't. I

982
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: still don't think it's close. The closest as a tandem statistically,

983
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: people say Jerry West and Gale grit I say the

984
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: closest statistically is John Stockton and Jeff Hornesset. Both one's

985
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: a great shooter in hornaset efficient see wise. John Stockton

986
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: is a great shooter, but he's not in the class

987
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: as those guys. Steph Curry and Klay Thompson are incredible

988
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: basketball shooters. They have a gift at it. Right. I

989
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: don't think it's close. I absolutely don't think it's close.

990
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: So that was an easy call for me. And the

991
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: difference of those guys are shooting from distance. The two

992
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 1: guys that you mentioned were more of a mid range.

993
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they could shoot the three, but they were

994
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: more of a mid range ten to fifteen feet. You're

995
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: talking about Steph Curry, a lot of its points are

996
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: coming from twenty twenty two, twenty three feet. That was ridiculous.

997
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous how how well they shoot the basketball? Are

998
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: you surprised? How when you got when you got the

999
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: Golden State, did you know Steph Curry was that good?

1000
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: Before I got there, I was calling games, so I

1001
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: would had the luxury of doing some Warrior games. The

1002
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: time slot fits them well. Even though they were not

1003
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: good at the time, the time slot fit them. So

1004
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: I was doing some Warrior games for ESPN and got

1005
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: a chance to call the games. I'm sitting there, like

1006
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I did a Duke Davidson game

1007
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: when Steph Curry was at was at Davidson in his

1008
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: senior year in college and his last year in college,

1009
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: and my partner says to me, I don't I don't

1010
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: think it'd be a good NBA player. I don't think

1011
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: he's a point guard in the NBA. I looked at

1012
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: him and said, Jeff Van Gundy. By the way, I'm

1013
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: not only in the name drop, but he's on record

1014
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: saying that. And I'm sitting there like, no, this guy

1015
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: is a starting point guard today. He's gonna be a

1016
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: top notch talent in the league. He's special. And I

1017
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: watched him as a young kid because I played with

1018
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: his dad in Toronto with the Raptors and he'd come

1019
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: with his brother Seth and they shoot after practice before

1020
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: and you know, Dell Curry saying, my kids gonna because

1021
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: everybody says about their kids exact but didn't lie. And

1022
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: the best thing about both of those guys incredible human beings,

1023
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: absolute joy, not only the coach because of their talent,

1024
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: but because of their commitment, because of their competitive drive,

1025
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: and because of who they are as people. But you know,

1026
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: step is a blessing, it a curse because he Now

1027
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: it used to be guys who was always trying to dump.

1028
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: Now he got seven years old running behind the three

1029
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: point line jacket up threes. Yeah, and I took heat.

1030
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: I took because I said, you know, Steph Curry's ruined

1031
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: the game. People thought I was taking a shot at

1032
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: Steph Curry. And I'm glad I had a chance to,

1033
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, explain it to him, because I foolish enough

1034
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: to believe what everybody get. What I'm trying to say,

1035
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: basically what you just said was a remixed version of it. Absolutely,

1036
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to youth games. I had kids,

1037
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: my kids were younger. I'm going to the games and

1038
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: kids are jacking up shots like they Steph Curry. Those

1039
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: are horrible shots, right. And the first thing they do,

1040
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: they come off the bench and they're shooting shots and

1041
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: instead of making a move going to the cup, they're

1042
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: shooting He's from half court. I'm like, this is this

1043
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: is awful basketball. This guy has a gift and he

1044
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: has the ability to make that shot. That's like me,

1045
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: I'd be ruining the game if I go and take

1046
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: that shot. I'm not Steph Curry, right, and I should

1047
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: not try to be Steph Curry. I should try to

1048
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: be the best player that I could possibly be. And

1049
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: people were thinking it because he made it look so

1050
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: easy that they could do it. They lie to themselves.

1051
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: When I look at the NBA and say, five years,

1052
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: ten years from now, who are some of the guys

1053
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: you will be the believe will be the face. We

1054
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: got Lamello, we got little Who, we got Trey Young,

1055
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: we got Jason Tatum's eyon. Look, Jah, I would say

1056
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: that the NBA is in great hands. Yes, when you

1057
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: look at the talent, the young talent in the game

1058
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: the day, when you look at the talent coming up,

1059
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: when you look at the way that they do a

1060
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: great job of developing in the in the in the

1061
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: G League, outstanding uh uh group of talented basketball players.

1062
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: The one guy that you named to me, I think

1063
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: very well could very well be on the top seventy

1064
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: five player list. It comes out pretty soon and people say,

1065
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: well it will it be a sleeper that's young, But

1066
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: Luca don is the real deal. When you look at

1067
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: what he's been able to do early on in his career,

1068
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: he is he's got. You think he'll be top seventy

1069
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: five if it was me voting, Yeah, he's on the

1070
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: list because because of because of I'm not I'm not

1071
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: a guy that's pointing. I don't want to point in

1072
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: anybody on the top fifty lists. But he's better than

1073
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: some of those guys, right, and I watched some of

1074
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: those guys, So I respect him. I appreciate it because

1075
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: I call he's the closest thing that I've seen the Bird,

1076
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: I said after. I mean, and you know, we obviously

1077
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: we talked your taking ref into the equation, but I

1078
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: said Bird was a twenty four, ten and six career guy.

1079
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: I said he couldn't move if not like Luca's gonna

1080
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: win a foot race with anybody, but he could. Bird

1081
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: could get to any spot that he wanted to and

1082
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: hit you with that that step back, fade away size, strength, toughness,

1083
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: competitive spirit, not afraid of the bright lights. And what

1084
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: you just said, Well, you and I can argue, and

1085
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: SKIP can argue. One of Larry Bird's best friends in

1086
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: life is Rick Carlisle, the former coach of the Dallas Mavericks,

1087
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: who made the statement comparing Luca to Bird. Right, I'm

1088
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: not I'm not comparing uh, nobody in the Reggie Miller

1089
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: unless they're the real deal. Right, I'm not comparing somebody

1090
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: to pack you unless they're the real deal. If I said,

1091
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: compared to one of those guys, that's my guy, right,

1092
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: you better take it to the bank, right, That's what

1093
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: I said. Because you look at him and you he chills.

1094
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Lebron. Lebron got like a

1095
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 1: drown man, a big body. I can leap out the gym,

1096
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: I mean, And I'm looking at him and I'm watching

1097
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: him and elite defenders. I mean, Kawhi is an elite defender.

1098
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: PG is an elite defender. Draymond's elite defender. He's throwing

1099
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: getting thirty and forty like it ain't nothing. When they

1100
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: when they matched up against the Clippers in the playoffs,

1101
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there saying, Kawhi, Paul, George pat Be, Yeah,

1102
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: they got guys, Morris, they got guys that's not only

1103
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: gonna defend them, but they're gonna try to beat him up, right,

1104
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: And I want to see how he's gonna respond, because

1105
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's ever faced this type of pressure defensively,

1106
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: and he's about to face right. He put on a

1107
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: clinic almost like they were little kids trying to defend

1108
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: where he imposed his will on them and took everything

1109
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: that they had to offer and was the best player.

1110
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 1: I had Demard de rosen on and I said, best

1111
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: best basketball players come out of New York At la,

1112
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: he said, LA, I know. I turned the TV offside.

1113
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: I didn't see the resident Ron watched up into that point.

1114
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: As soon as he said la, I, just as much

1115
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: as I enjoyed, I had to shut up. You still

1116
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: believe the best players come by the NYC? I think historically? Yeah.

1117
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: Now now today that's a different story, right, just like

1118
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: in the Dream Team, the rest of the world has

1119
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: caught up. They've tried to emulate some of the things

1120
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: that we've been able to do handling the basketball and

1121
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: the toughness, competitiveness, and you have guys all around the

1122
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: country coming out. Not only that New York players Now

1123
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: they leave and go to prep school. So so we

1124
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: don't have the same license as far as you don't

1125
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: say that from New York. Now they may be from

1126
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: somewhere else, even though they're technique from New York. But

1127
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: historically New York City has had the best basketball players.

1128
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: The guy on the top of all time leading. Yeah,

1129
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean you got Kareeb. I mean what you said,

1130
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: Karee shut down from there. I'm saying Michael Jordan was

1131
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: born in Brooklyn. I mean what you want me to say,

1132
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: So I would say, historically, the best ever play is

1133
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: New York City. Guys, your younger brother street ball and

1134
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 1: one ledge escalade six ten, three seventy five handled the rock.

1135
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: What made him what made him specially be able to

1136
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: handle the rock like his older brother? Well, I mean

1137
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: I get emotional butt and you can understand the love

1138
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: of a brother. Yes, And this was my younger brother.

1139
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: So he's same. Parents married forty years. My sister's a

1140
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: year younger than me. I guess one day a mom

1141
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: and dad got a little frisky nine years removed. All

1142
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, here we got a little brother on

1143
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: the way. So he was he was. He was a

1144
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: guy that had the luxury of being young enough to

1145
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: travel and come come to games and being mad as

1146
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: square garden and be around the game of basketball as

1147
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: a ball boy for the Knicks, so he was exposed

1148
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: to it. So he wasn't always big, so handling the

1149
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 1: basketball came easy to him. And the way he came

1150
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: big was my dad, since he was the last one

1151
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: spoiled him. So it went from McDonald's, whatever we're gonna

1152
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: eat on Fridays because it's Payday, I'm gonna take everybody

1153
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: to go get some neat. Now it's not everybody, it's

1154
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: just destroying. So now one big Mac turns into two

1155
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: big back. So all of a sudden, he goes from

1156
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: a small kid to a big kid. But I tell

1157
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: you what, I miss him every single day. I'm extremely

1158
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: extremely proud of uh not not just the basketball player

1159
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: that ever you came, the legend that he became, but

1160
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: more importantly when I when I go around and people

1161
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: say the things he did to people, the words he

1162
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: said to people, way he encourage and inspired folks. I

1163
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: can remember one day going to the mall with him,

1164
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: and I knew he arrived at this point because I'm

1165
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: in the mall with him and somebody come running up

1166
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: and say, do you mind if I get a picture,

1167
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm like, sure, no problem at all,

1168
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: this thing, No not you escalate. They asked me. They

1169
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: asked me to take he could he could have he

1170
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: could have gone on to heaven at that moment, and

1171
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: he'd have been happy. But I'm proud of him and

1172
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: I miss him every single day. Mark when I look.

1173
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: When I think about it, the way the guys in

1174
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: the NBA handled the ball. They're getting that from A

1175
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: and one the street ball the way skip to My

1176
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: Lou and Hot Sauce, the way Steph Curry and Kyrie. Yeah,

1177
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: by the way, Kyrie got the best handles in NBA history.

1178
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: And they've had Roth, Strickland had handles, Zeke had handle.

1179
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: You have some handles. Who's the guy the Utah Jazz

1180
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: great Pisto, Pete Maravith, y'all can do no with Kyrie. Kyrie,

1181
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: Kyrie Man, Kyrie get that thing on the strain. Kyrie

1182
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: is an incredible all handle and he's the one guy

1183
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: would probably put in the discussion is Isaiah because you

1184
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: look at old clips of little kid putting on a

1185
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,959
Speaker 1: clinic ze coming out of the court, walking down behind

1186
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: his back. But but Kyrie absolutely, the things he does,

1187
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: the ability to handle with both hands finished in a

1188
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: variety of ways with both hands over any it's absolutely special.

1189
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: But I do agree, and God sham guys, there's another guy. Yes,

1190
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: the stuff that they were able to do, that guys

1191
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: took off the playgrounds and put it into NBA games.

1192
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: It's special. I wouldn't even try having that stuff. You're

1193
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn. Was it always your goal to play college

1194
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: ball in NYC? Or did you think about leaving? Well,

1195
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm from Brooklyn, born in Brooklyn the first seven years

1196
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: of my life. I'm the one guy that can claim

1197
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: both places because I left Brooklyn at seven, moved to Queens,

1198
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: and then, living in Queens, went to high school in Brooklyn,

1199
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: an hour and a half away. I didn't once I

1200
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: was being recruited. I'm a guy that's extremely close to

1201
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: my family. I want to be around my family, so

1202
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: it became a no brainer that I was not gonna

1203
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: go far. And then sitting with coach Connorseca, who in

1204
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: the middle of October is receiving a statue at Saint

1205
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: John's University, well deserved, and I'm gonna be there for that.

1206
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: But sitting in a room with him him look at

1207
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: my parents in the eyes and making a commitment to

1208
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: me and believing in me, it was a no brainer

1209
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: because I knew he was a better person, and he

1210
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: was a basketball coach, and he's a Hall of Fame

1211
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: basketball coach. But I still call him coach to this day,

1212
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: and at ninety six years old, he'll call me and

1213
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: have a regular conversation with me, still checking on me. Still,

1214
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: that's the relationship you want to have with the coach.

1215
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed when I watched these high school coaches, these

1216
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: AU coaches not having relationships. My son's high school coach

1217
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: or two of my son's high school coach walking to

1218
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: gym and there's there's no relationship. He should be embarrassed

1219
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: at that. It should be I love you for life

1220
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: because of what you poured into me. Right well, I mean, well,

1221
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: if that was the case, there's only two schools you

1222
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: could have gone to. You going to Syracuse? Are you

1223
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,479
Speaker 1: going to Saint John. It's funny you asked that because

1224
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 1: I visited Syracuse and and and uh Wayne Pearl, Watch

1225
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: Pearl Pearl. He's in my We're the same age, so

1226
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: rest in peace. But I mean, as good as it

1227
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: gets handling the basketball, scoring toughness, so good that as

1228
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: I visited Syracuse, and I sat in Jim Behind's office

1229
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: the day after the visit, and I said, I'm ready

1230
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: to commit because you got thirty thousand people in the arena,

1231
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 1: right I want to be here. This was incredible. He said,

1232
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, but if I was you, I wouldn't

1233
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: come here. I'm like what he said, if I was you,

1234
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't come here. I'm like, excuse me. He says, well,

1235
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: we have Pearl Washington. I said, I know you got Pearl.

1236
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm a New York City kid. I'm I'm

1237
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: do what. I don't force you to play us together?

1238
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: And he's like, I appreciate the confidence, but I'm like,

1239
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: why am I on this visit? But it shows you

1240
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: the greatness of Pearl Washington and how special he was.

1241
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: Uh So I made the right decision to go to

1242
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: Saint John's and proud as in New Yorker to watch

1243
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: Pearl and the things he done he was able to

1244
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: do in the Big East, turn him in the Massacore

1245
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: Garden against Georgetown, the pressure handling the basketball. He was

1246
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: a special, special talent and a class dude. I mentioned you,

1247
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year you in the eighty seven draft.

1248
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: You played on that great Saint John's team. I think

1249
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: that was a matt the only one of the few

1250
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: times that three team from one conference he made it

1251
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: to the final four. Yeah, you've said you feel Walter Bear.

1252
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: People don't realize I think Walter was a player of

1253
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: the year. We had back and back player. Yeah, you

1254
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: said you believe you should have won the national championship

1255
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: that year. What happened. I gave credit to coach ninety

1256
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: six year old death. Love him to death and he's

1257
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: coach forever. We all make mistakes as coaches, and I

1258
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: believe that I should have played more, especially starting the

1259
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: second half. The way that the Georgetown defense was was

1260
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: was defending us that day, was keeping everything away from

1261
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: Chris Mullen. We were pretty robotic trying to make plays

1262
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: and still get him involved. The one thing that I

1263
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: had was the ability to make a play and forced

1264
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: help and then get him the basketball. And I thought

1265
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: that that wasn't I'm not hating it wasn't. It was

1266
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: a mistake. We all make. I made mistakes, but I

1267
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,439
Speaker 1: think looking back, if I would have played more, we'd

1268
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: had a better chance. But Georgetown was number one half

1269
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: the year. We would number one the other half of

1270
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: the year. Great great battles. The only thing you look

1271
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: back at Villanova wins in national championship. Yeah, the biggest

1272
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: upset probably still to this day. To this day, we

1273
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: beat Villanova three times that year. So that's the frustrating

1274
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: thing that we shouldn't have had to play Georgetown in

1275
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: the semifinals. But but proud to be a member of

1276
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: the Big East during those years and loaded loaded top

1277
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: to bottom with great teams, historic talent and historic coaches.

1278
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: That first team all Big East, that had to be

1279
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: some kind of team. Man. Loaded, it's all my Hall

1280
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: of famers. Yeah, loaded, absolutely, and and every single night,

1281
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: no matter who you played, it was a battle and

1282
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: it was a robbery. It wasn't like old you're playing Georgetown,

1283
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: you gotta be ready. You gotta play Villanova, you gotta

1284
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: play certain you would top to bottom, gonna face somebody

1285
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: every single night you go to the league. What's your

1286
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: what's your NBA moment? When did you know, like, man,

1287
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: this is I'm in the NBA. This is different, this

1288
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: is I'm playing for I ain't I'm no longer playing

1289
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: for meal playing, I'm no longer playing for books. I'm

1290
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: playing for mortgages. I'm play But you know, kids tuition

1291
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: one day, right, I would just say that the first

1292
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: time you step on the floor, you know I'm I'm

1293
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: I was holding out initially, and we had veteran guards

1294
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: and Rory Sparrow and Gerald Henderson, both guys played ten

1295
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: plus years in the league. Gerald Henderson won a championship

1296
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: with George Stop. There's no Jordan. No, that's Gerald Wilkins. Yeah.

1297
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: Pat Riley said, we're not gonna say anything to Jordan,

1298
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: just to go back. We're not gonna say anything. We're

1299
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: gonna beat him, and then at the end we're gonna

1300
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: say something. We look at the headlines next day in

1301
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: the paper. Gerald Wilkins, I'm the Jordan style. No dude.

1302
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: Then the coaches say, don't say anything. Then he say

1303
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: don't say anything. Made me go off on attachment. But

1304
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: I'll say this, when I sat down and watched because

1305
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't practicing, I watched those guys on the court

1306
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, this is this is this is

1307
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: a different level. I gotta make sure I'm right. And then,

1308
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: no matter who who, you're facing a guy that you

1309
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: thought you were better than, they have the ability in

1310
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: this league to give you the business. Magic Johnson announced

1311
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: that he had we would test the HIV positive and

1312
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: we were playing the Lakers that night. And I'm like,

1313
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm shatting. I'm staying in my hotel room because Erl

1314
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: Monroe was the guy that I looked up to. After

1315
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: Erl Manroe retired, it was Magic Johnson's a point guard

1316
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: for me. That's it, the best point guard that this

1317
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: game has ever seen. Right, So I'm sitting in my

1318
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: hotel room in my head, looking at the ceiling. I'm like,

1319
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: my head's gone. We played the Lakers and night. My

1320
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: guy Magic just gave an announcement and back then we're

1321
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: thinking it's a death sentence. We're thinking it's over. Yeah,

1322
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm shattered as a kid. But to make a long

1323
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: story short, now, we played the Lakers at night and

1324
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: Saidel three is starting for Magic Johnson. That's a big

1325
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: drop off from Magic Johnson. The sidel three, with all

1326
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: due respect, Saidel three gave us forty plus, gave us

1327
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: the business, gave us the absolute business. There's nothing we

1328
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: could have done. We threw everything at him, but he

1329
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: was on fire. That's the difference between playing a U ball,

1330
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: high school ball, JV ball, college ball. Everybody in uniform

1331
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: has the ability to give you the That's what I

1332
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: tell people. People want to say, oh, this guy's a superstar.

1333
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: He should be able to do this. That guy get

1334
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: paid too, I said, every professional athlete has the ability

1335
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: to make every other professional athlete in that sport look foolish.

1336
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: If you don't be on your assay. Look, you respect everyone,

1337
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: you underestimate no oh, no one, and you should be okay.

1338
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: But the moment the same thing happened to me, I

1339
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: went out there at this guy, well, he got injured.

1340
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'm about to get this joke of

1341
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: the business. I took it for granted. Three catches and

1342
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: fifteen yards later that another half of the meal. Again,

1343
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: So you learned early on. If he got a uniform,

1344
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: he could make it look foolish. I'm going to my

1345
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: son's games before the pandemic hit, and Nick Young, who

1346
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: was out of the league, is playing in the game,

1347
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: and everybody's said, man, he's done, he's washing. I'm like,

1348
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: Nick Young is not playing hard against y'all. My son

1349
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: knew about it because he's been around it. But but

1350
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: they're sitting there thinking, old Nick Young can't play, he's done.

1351
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: Go to next week. Nick Young got fifty. He's toying

1352
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: with these people, right, you think Nick Young's the bump. No,

1353
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: with all due respect, y'all the bumps. Nick Young is

1354
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: an NBA talent that can toy and play around and

1355
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: do what he want out it right. When you played

1356
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: with Oakley and I and Oakley brought a certain physicality

1357
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: to the game. Oakley was no nonsense. I've known Oakley

1358
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: twenty five years and the Oakland that you see on

1359
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: the court was op the course. He ain't by no.

1360
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: You know what you staying with Oakley? Mess with you?

1361
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: Oakley mess with you. If Oakley don't mess with you,

1362
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: he don't mess with me. Best with both of us.

1363
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: So we feel yeah, yeah, we good. We good. Wasn't

1364
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: like playing with oak It's great, It's absolutely great because

1365
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: of what you said. The problem is if I got

1366
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: to figure you out, are you with me? Are against me?

1367
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: Are you my boy? You're not my boy? With oak

1368
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: you know exactly where he staying. And it's no nonsense.

1369
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: I know we going to battle. He's gonna lay it

1370
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: out on the line. He's a guy that's no nonsense.

1371
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: He's a professional. He's an ultimate team player. He's an outstanding, underrated,

1372
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: all time great defender. Yes, and he's a guy that

1373
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: has has toughness, and that toughness, uh becomes contagious all

1374
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: throughout your lineup. He's he's a winner, and he's a

1375
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: guy that we take for granted also because he's not

1376
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: today's typical power forward. He was yesterday's power forward. But

1377
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: he was. He was a joy to play with and

1378
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: and and just a just a guy that really really

1379
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: ware the New York Knick uniform with pride and was

1380
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: stood for everything that New York Nick, New York City

1381
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 1: people stood for. And that's why he was embraced and celebrated.

1382
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: You guys are Knicks. When you had Oak, you had

1383
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: Xavier McDaniel, had Mason, you had yourself your Patrick. Did

1384
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: you guys adopt that bad boy just like we look,

1385
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna play football on the basketball court. Well, you

1386
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: gotta give credit to the genius of pat Riley, who's

1387
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,839
Speaker 1: one of the great coaches in all of sports. Historic.

1388
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: He went from showtime, running gun fast breaking Los Angeles

1389
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: Laker championship winning team. We thought when he came to

1390
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: the New York Knicks, or we're gonna be showtime Now

1391
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm sitting at half court from the first day. Let

1392
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: us know this is how we're gonna do it. We're

1393
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: gonna do it with toughness, and we had rules and

1394
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: rules that had to be recognized and applied to no layouts.

1395
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: We we we basically, if you had an open layup

1396
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: and I'm next to you and I allow you to

1397
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: get that lay up, it is a fine, a substantial fine.

1398
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: And it wasn't from pat Riley or management. It was

1399
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: the players. We took care of it ourselves. So we

1400
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: we we we held each other accountable, and we became

1401
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 1: uh the mentality of we're gonna hammer folks. We gonna

1402
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: be very physical if we're gonna beat the Chicago Bulls,

1403
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: because we knew we were better than everybody else with

1404
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: all due respect and there were some great teams, but

1405
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 1: we were loaded. If we're gonna beat them, we have

1406
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: to be physical. And I believe losing games seven in

1407
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 1: ninety one in the Eastern Conference Finals to the Chicago Bulls,

1408
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: I believe, and Pat Rawley has said it, and Dave Checkens,

1409
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: who was out our GM at the time, our president

1410
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 1: at the time, has stated it, if if we keep

1411
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,520
Speaker 1: that team together, we win a championship. I believe that wholeheartedly.

1412
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: What broke it up, I was traded. Okay, I believe

1413
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: that ultimately, and it's documented and it ain't about me.

1414
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: It's just that the complete team. I believe we'd have

1415
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: came back ready and understood a year better. And it's

1416
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: a process that you go through. But they believe we

1417
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: need a scoring at the powerfuward position. So I was

1418
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 1: traded for doctors and Charles Smith, who was a six

1419
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: ten scoring power forward that gave versatility, complimenting Charles Oakley

1420
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,759
Speaker 1: and gave a scoring guy alongside of Patrick Ewing. Ultimately,

1421
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: they didn't win, but I think if you kept that

1422
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: team together, we want to win it at all. But

1423
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: could you play that style of basketball in the NBA? Now, Yes,

1424
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: the physicality the way you guys played it, Yeah, I think.

1425
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: I think you have to pick and choose your spots.

1426
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: Guess guess what Draymond Green is in the league. And

1427
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 1: Draymond Green is a dominant defensive player and he's not

1428
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: being nice a lot, He's being very physical. So you

1429
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: can play it. You have to have the mentality and

1430
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: to stick tuitiveness to make sure that if I get

1431
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: a call against me, I'm not gonna stop. I'm gonna

1432
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: keep my foot on the gas. Pedal. I'm gonna be

1433
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: physical and I'm gonna make the proper adjustments to get

1434
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: away with just enough that I can get away with.

1435
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: But you know how you guys played. They were snatching

1436
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: folks out the air. Yeah, that was that was That

1437
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: was Kevin McHale. That was a little bit earlier. But

1438
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: even the way we were physical, the way you go,

1439
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: we were physical. We were very physical. And not even

1440
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: the physical plays that you could see, and then the

1441
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: hand checking that you couldn't see. Dennis Johnson. Dennis Johnson

1442
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: would guard you and have his hand on your hip,

1443
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: directing you where he wanted you to go right. That strength,

1444
01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: that that mobility, that versatility, it was sure, but it

1445
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: took advantage of the rules. And I think that players

1446
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 1: were smart enough that they'd have made the proper adjustment

1447
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: to do just enough, the same way these guys do today.

1448
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: You call something to travel, okay, now they do a

1449
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: different one two step that bounces a different way that

1450
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 1: they get away. They cheat the system because it's so

1451
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: crafty and so talented. The Pacers go to the pacers.

1452
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: You're playing the Lakers two thousand Shock at his apex.

1453
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant now is Kobe Bryant as we know it,

1454
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: you took them six games. What did you learn about

1455
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: your team? And what did you learn about that Lakers team?

1456
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,560
Speaker 1: We should have won they beat Yeah, yeah, yeah, we

1457
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: it was a two three two ye, so we had

1458
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: we won the game three and we lost Game four

1459
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: in overtime, shock fouls out and the late great Kobe

1460
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: Bryant single handed takes over the game in the fourth

1461
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: court in overtime. And I mean, we did everything we could.

1462
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: I can remember saying the Reggie Miller because he hit

1463
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: a couple of shots. I'm like, let me get him.

1464
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm just foolish thinking i could do something. But I'm

1465
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: not thinking I'm gonna stop him. I'm thinking I'm a

1466
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: hammer on one good time and send a message and

1467
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: get him out of his rhythm. I hammer him, nice

1468
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: basket and one he's at the line Of'm like, Regg,

1469
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: you got him. It ain't working. But but we were

1470
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: good enough because we had depth at the powerful position. Yeah,

1471
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: we had a center that was a weapon that can

1472
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: take advantage of Shaquille O'Neill's flaws, the ability to defend

1473
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: the pick and roll. So every time you're in the

1474
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: pick and roll We're gonna get a shot off of

1475
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: Rick Smith's where he's a jump shooting big man that

1476
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 1: can post up in score. So we were a perfect matchup.

1477
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: Jalen Rolls six nine, versatility at the at the small

1478
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: foward position Chris Muller, So we had the depth and

1479
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: the versatility. At the end of the day, they had

1480
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: two dudes that was unstoppable. That was absolutely and you

1481
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: look at the numbers that Shaquille O'Neill put forth in

1482
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: that in that finals. It was ridiculous. It was ridiculous.

1483
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: They had two dudes. It's all time greats. Did you

1484
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: know after in that series that Kobe was gonna become

1485
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: what he became? Yes. And the reason why is because

1486
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: I can remember talking to Reggie Miller, and Reggie Miller

1487
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 1: living in LA would say he was shooting I believe

1488
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: a commercial and it was Reggie Miller and Kobe Bryant

1489
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 1: shooting the commercial. And and during the time of the

1490
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: break of the commercial, Reggie said, Kobe said, let's let's

1491
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: play on one on one just, you know, get to

1492
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: work out in the middle of the summer. So Reggie

1493
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: like cool, they playing on one on one. Red Shooter

1494
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: a jumper, knocks it down, gets the ball back, jabs

1495
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: that jabs that jump and knocks it down. All of

1496
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: a sudden, he looked like he sees Kobe, and then

1497
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: Kobe's eyes it almost looked like they were back in

1498
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: the finals because Kobe's thinking, this ain't chill mode. One

1499
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: on one. I'm getting ready go at you, and Kobe

1500
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: begins to put on an absolute clinic. In the one

1501
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 1: on one against Reggie Miller, he took it. It's just

1502
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: he only had one gear. And then after Kobe plays

1503
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller one on one, he then pulls Reggie aside

1504
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: and said, show me how you do that jab step jumper,

1505
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 1: Show me how you come off for screens. So he

1506
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: has enough competitive drive to battle him in a one

1507
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: on one scenario, but enough, you know as something that

1508
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: you got something that I can unilize. And I'm not

1509
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: full of myself to think, right, I'm not gonna I'm

1510
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: not gonna present it and try to learn it from that.

1511
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show humility and I'm gonna ask you about

1512
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: it and put it into my game. And that's why

1513
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 1: he became a special talent that we came to way

1514
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: you say that and he said Kobe asked Reggie, well,

1515
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: how you do the pump fake? How you come off screens?

1516
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: A lot of big guys, A lot of guys not

1517
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: just big, A lot of guys are going to work

1518
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: with a Chemoli Juan, But basically only one guy has

1519
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: ever got in the opportunity to work out with Jordan,

1520
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: like Jordan, like got the secret sauce and like the

1521
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: KFC secret recipe or what the secret sauce is on

1522
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: the big map, that thing closely guarded. Yeah, old school,

1523
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: old school. I ain't getting y'all chasing me right, I'm

1524
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: sitting at the top of the hill right, You're trying

1525
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: to chase me. And it's just a competitive drive and

1526
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: spirit that he's had that made him Michael Jordan. I'm

1527
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: not trying to deliver it. But to his credit, when

1528
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 1: you look at the tragedy with Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan

1529
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: showed just what he deposited into Kobe Bryant and into

1530
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: the game's future. We just didn't acknowledge. We just didn't

1531
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: see it because it wasn't on camera. But he did it.

1532
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: But he did it in his own way, and it

1533
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: really blessed me to watch him get emotional talk about it,

1534
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: and also acknowledge this guy was like a little brother.

1535
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: All the things he's accomplished. People thought we were this right,

1536
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: and we were we were together right, So it was

1537
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: it was special. Some of the toughest guys that you

1538
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: played against the era obviously the eighty with Bird Magic, Jordan, Isaiah,

1539
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: you got the nineties. I don't know. I think you

1540
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: probably miss Lebron. You miss Lebron Lebron's which is crazy.

1541
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,719
Speaker 1: My first year is Lebron's. My last year is Lebron's first. Okay,

1542
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: so you you you you got an opportunity to see

1543
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Who's the hardest to defend Mike

1544
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: and Kobe? I mean from a guard's standpoint, yes, I

1545
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: didn't have to go down there and defend Shaquille O'Neil

1546
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:25,839
Speaker 1: freemadul Jabbar. But but Mike and Kobe just thinking attack

1547
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: every single moment on the floor, and the mentality and

1548
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: the way they wear you down with their approach. It

1549
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: would be the two guys I would I would say,

1550
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: And being in the Eastern Conference all those years facing

1551
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: the bulls and facing Mike, I mean it was in

1552
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: our prime. We had every business to believe we were better.

1553
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 1: Those two guys are the front runners. From me, how

1554
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: would Jordan doing today's game? Because I've heard a lot

1555
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: of people man, Jordan every sixty, Jordan every seventy? Nah, man,

1556
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: he I promise you Jordan's donna get forty five in

1557
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: today's game, the rules as they are, how would Jordan do?

1558
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: And how many points do you believe he would average?

1559
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's average in sixty or seven? Okay,

1560
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: that's I mean, those days are over with nobody gonn

1561
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: get will fifty a game? Huh? Not fifty a game? No,

1562
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. But I will say this, Michael

1563
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: Jordan wan average whatever you want a average? You believe

1564
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 1: you can get forty a night? Yeah? He can? I

1565
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: mean yeah, if yeah, there's no question about forty a night.

1566
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: Forty Yeah, how you gonna get forty if you go

1567
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: to I'm not here to break it down to decipher it.

1568
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,759
Speaker 1: I'm telling you as a witness, I'm testified on behalf

1569
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: of Michael Jeffrey Jordan that he would average forty a

1570
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: night if we see guy's average in thirty and thirty five.

1571
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 1: With all due respect, that don't have the awesomeal that

1572
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: he has offensively, Well, you know you have to add

1573
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: that three ball. You got to add the three ball

1574
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: to get to forty because you look at the guy

1575
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: Harden with the last got baked hard and average with

1576
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 1: thirty six and that step back three he put that in. Obviously,

1577
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: the free throw. Jordan went to the free throw line

1578
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 1: a lot. I don't he didn't go as much as

1579
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: a Harden, but I don't know how you get the

1580
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: forty without that three ball. Well, Jordan's gonna go to

1581
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: the free throw line more than he did back then

1582
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: because we were able to beat him up and it

1583
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: was ignored to a certain extent. Okay, so, and and

1584
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: he added the three ball in his career. He watched

1585
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,839
Speaker 1: him against the Blazers knocked down three. That wasn't his specialty,

1586
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like he was a liability shooting the basketball.

1587
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan with average whatever you wanted to average, man,

1588
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean you witnessed it. Yeah, I saw it. I did,

1589
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: I did. But I'm just saying, I'm like mad when

1590
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: people say he average forty forty five, I'm like fifty.

1591
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: I like, man, do y'all know hi when he pluts

1592
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: that is on a nightly basis. Do you know what

1593
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: somebody said, Tom Brady when he forty four gonna get

1594
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: five touchdowns and having you know, nine through through two

1595
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 1: games and he's gonna be on pace for fifty plus,

1596
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: you'd be like, man, ain't no way, no forty four? Yeo,

1597
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: god doing that? Yeah? You know what. Having played in

1598
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: the era when they hit the quarterback everywhere except the

1599
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: bottom of his feet, Yeah, I was like, Yeah, it's

1600
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: a different game now, and I can see what you're saying.

1601
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 1: You're like, it's totally different. They could beat you up

1602
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 1: the hits that we got back in the nineties in

1603
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: the two thousand, two thousand, Yeah, something throwing somebody at

1604
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: the league like that. So Brady's saying, I mean he

1605
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: came out and said that the league is soft, right, Well,

1606
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: with all due respect, he's right, so is the NBA.

1607
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: So he's taking advantage of those rules. Jordan would take

1608
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: advantage of these rules. I'm looking at this in the

1609
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: game two of the how many yards would you have

1610
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,759
Speaker 1: rich if they can't? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I definitely be. Uh,

1611
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 1: I'd definitely be. I would be. I was Travis Cancer

1612
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: before Travis Kills. But I'm definitely getting me one hundred

1613
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 1: the game exactly. Yeah, I'm gonna get me fifteen hundred yards,

1614
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred yards a season, absolutely, because we were running then.

1615
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: I was blocking a fifteen hundred and seventeen hundred, two

1616
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: thousand yard rushers, so we were throwing running the ball

1617
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: more than we absolutely can ask you a question another one. Yeah, yeah,

1618
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: I want to know what made you stick your tongue out?

1619
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, you you? Yeah, I want to know. I

1620
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: want to know what possessed you to do that? Man

1621
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: signature move? Oh man, just young and dumb. I had

1622
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: a moment, Man, I had a moment. Did you realize

1623
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: who that was? Yes? But I thought we had every

1624
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: answer because we were rolling. So I stripped him. Yeah,

1625
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: I stripped him. I'm like, oh, it's on New York City.

1626
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: I stripped. Now. They found me on the break and

1627
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: I go in there and I act like the player's dead.

1628
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 1: But I sticked my tongue out. Mistakes, huge mistake, huge

1629
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,480
Speaker 1: mistake because, like like he talked about it in the documentary,

1630
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: he takes all of that and uses it as fuel.

1631
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: And he took advantage of that and used it as

1632
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: fuel and took over the game. I don't know what

1633
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: made me do it. I remember my dad. I look

1634
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: over my daddy's like, don't do that. It was too late. Yeah,

1635
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: I have you here. There's been a lot of speculation, well,

1636
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: the reason why he doesn't get a job he did this,

1637
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: or he hadn't gotten a job because he did that,

1638
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: and somebody reached out. Why is it Mark Jackson, the

1639
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: guy that laid the foundation for the Golden State Warriors,

1640
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,799
Speaker 1: Why doesn't he get a call? With these head coaching

1641
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: vacancies open up? Why isn't Mark Jackson? They hear you speak,

1642
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 1: and you talk the game and you can relate to

1643
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: the players. Why isn't Mark Jackson currently employed as an

1644
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: NBA head coach? I don't know. That's the that's the

1645
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: full answer. I don't know what I will say as

1646
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 1: I look forward to the day when I'm coaching again,

1647
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 1: what I will say is it will happen. I truly

1648
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: believe that with everything in me, the opportunity hasn't presented itself.

1649
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: I stand on what we were able to do in

1650
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: Golden State, not me. What we were able to do ownership, management, coaches, players,

1651
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: training staff. I'm proud of that, a team that went

1652
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: nineteen years and only made the playoffs one year, and

1653
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden when fifty plus games get

1654
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: into the playoff, advanced in the second round, and then

1655
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: when I'm going become a dynasty. Something changed from that

1656
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: nineteen year to today, and I played a part in it,

1657
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: a small part, but a but a part in it.

1658
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: And I look forward to having an opportunity because there

1659
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: are teams in that position, so you could if you

1660
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: want it. You can say, well, I can't coach a

1661
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: championship team, and I think you're wrong, but there's no

1662
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: evidence to show that right. But you can't tell me

1663
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: that I can't play a part and turning the team

1664
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 1: that historically made the playoffs one time in nineteen years,

1665
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 1: and we've seen teams that in that position and worse,

1666
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: and some hovering around that situation. I'm comfortable and confident

1667
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: in what I was able to do in playing a

1668
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: small part and changing the culture I have. Anybody reached

1669
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: out for an interview and says, well, Mark, we'd like

1670
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Mark, come sit down and what

1671
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: if it if you could go back, if there's some

1672
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 1: things that you learn from some of them, maybe the

1673
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: mistakes that you made. Is there anything that you would

1674
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: do differently? Well, And no matter what you do in life,

1675
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: you look back and think I would have done something differently.

1676
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: So there are absolute things that I would do differently.

1677
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: But one thing I'll stand on, who I am as

1678
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: a man, who I am as a father, who I

1679
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: am as a coach, who I am as a brother,

1680
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: who I am as a mentor and a leader. You

1681
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: can't take that away from me. So the things that

1682
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: have been reported are absolutely not true. And I will

1683
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: sit here any day the week make time for anybody

1684
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 1: that's willing to sit there that says so and so

1685
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: said it, because it's always so and so. Do me

1686
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: if they even gets so and so in front of me,

1687
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: because I'll meet him and we can have a discussion.

1688
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: Three point contest, Steph Curry, Reggie Miller, Lad. I want

1689
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: to say one thing though, I got a double back

1690
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 1: with because the people that you played for Ravens and

1691
01:24:55,160 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 1: the Broncos, with the coach Mike Shannon, and and and

1692
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: and and Dan Reeves and then and the bill right you,

1693
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: Brian Billick, Dan Reeves and all those Shanahan and all

1694
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:16,919
Speaker 1: those guys wouldn't have to be the one to defend themselves,

1695
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: right because you'd be like, hold on, hold on, you

1696
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 1: could say what you want. You can say what you want,

1697
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: Shannon shop who speaks on everything you owe it to

1698
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: to to to Dan Reeves Shanahan to be like, hold on,

1699
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: y'all wrong. It can't go on that way. So so

1700
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's if somebody says something about Steph Curry,

1701
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: Draymond Green, Clay Thompson, the entire roster, Andre Goodalla, Jared Jack,

1702
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: you can name them all, the Harrison Bonds, and once

1703
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, hold on that that that that

1704
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: ain't true. Right now, you could say whatever you want

1705
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: about the flaws and all of that, but that they're right,

1706
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: that ain't true, And that's how we should be. It

1707
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: even not just my head coaching, any coach that and

1708
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: I have coaches now that's still in the league that

1709
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: were They weren't head coaches, but there were position coaches

1710
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: that were vouch A lot of times people like, well

1711
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: you say this, but you weren't like that. We'll go

1712
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: ask the coaches. See I don't I can tell you,

1713
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: but I got people that don't know me because you know,

1714
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 1: sometimes the head coach he has to be PC. I say,

1715
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: but go ask them off camera when they can tell

1716
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: you the truth, and ask them how I was as

1717
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,799
Speaker 1: a player, how was in meetings? How was in practice?

1718
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: How was on the bus? I said, I ain't got

1719
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: a lot by me. I got people that are vouch

1720
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: for me. The one person that knows whether I can coach,

1721
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: I can't. The one person that absolutely knows that is

1722
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr because he took over the job. And when

1723
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: you take over a job, you knew whether it was

1724
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: a good situation a bad situation. You know the habits.

1725
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,680
Speaker 1: And to Steve Kerr's credit, who is an all time

1726
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: great coach that has done an incredible job with the

1727
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors. I got nothing but respect, appreciation and

1728
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 1: admiration for Steve Kerr. He has shown me nothing but

1729
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: respect and he is testified on behalf of the job

1730
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: that he stepped into. Well that should be enough right

1731
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: now to get you, at least to get you an

1732
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: interview at the door. While are you looking me up

1733
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: and down like I'm doing? The man? I mean, Greg Papovich,

1734
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: he vouch with somebody. They gonna get an interview. I'll

1735
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: tell you this, though, the one place I don't want

1736
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: to be is outside the will of God. So I'm

1737
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: perfectly fine with where I am when I trust and

1738
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 1: believe that it all work out. Okay, Well, if that's

1739
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 1: what you believe, I hope. I hope because I think

1740
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: you're too good. I think you're too good of a

1741
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: I think you're too good of a man. The coaching aspect,

1742
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: I think you had need to be a good man

1743
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: to be a good coach. You're too good of a

1744
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: man not to be coaching. Your resume should speak for itself.

1745
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: I've seen coaches with worst resumes get opportunity after opportunity,

1746
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: and what you were they able to do with Golden

1747
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 1: State to build that and all of a sudden there like, nah,

1748
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: we're good. He good. You know he had a four year,

1749
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 1: five year run and that's it. It'll work out all right.

1750
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: Three point competition Steph, Reggie, Larry and Clay. Who you got? Well,

1751
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: I didn't shoot against Larry because he wasn't on my

1752
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 1: team and by the time he got to coach me,

1753
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,879
Speaker 1: he wasn't shooting at the time. Beat red quite frequently

1754
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: in shootouts. Clay Thompson. I could talk him out of

1755
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: his game, beat him a couple of times and shoot outs.

1756
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 1: Steph Curry is documented on YouTube. You don't believe me,

1757
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: check it out beat him in the shootout that we had.

1758
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 1: I believe if you put him in the room, any

1759
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 1: one of them come out. They're that great a group

1760
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: of shooters that if you put a certain group of

1761
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: guys about five to ten of them that have played

1762
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 1: in this game historically, any one of them could come out.

1763
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 1: All right, how but I'm gonna do it like this here. Now,

1764
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: if you if you, if you said they got a

1765
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: shooting variety of ways, all pick and rolls, stop and pop,

1766
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: coming off turndowns, coming off pin downs, shooting a half court.

1767
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: Steph Curry is that guy because he's the one guy

1768
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: that there's a great shooter across the board in any

1769
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: one of those situations. Okay, how ab I do it

1770
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 1: like this here? One shot for Mark Jackson's life? Who

1771
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,679
Speaker 1: you won't take it? That shot? That's how we gonna

1772
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: do that. Sh shay, that's my answer. I'm sticking to it.

1773
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: My final answer. All right, I'm gonna get you out

1774
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: of here on this one. Give me your mout rushmore man.

1775
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 1: Four players. That's how you get you from from the

1776
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 1: start of seventy fifth anniversary. So we're going back seventy

1777
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 1: five years to now and you could have all centers,

1778
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: you could have all guards, you can have all three,

1779
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 1: all twos, all fours. Give me four players and no order.

1780
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: Four players. Michael Jordan, I might keep making everybody no,

1781
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: He's gotta make and just gotta make. He's gotta make

1782
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: the list. He's gotta make the list. Mel Dul Jabbar, Okay,

1783
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: Lebron James, get one more. This is tough because I

1784
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 1: want to put man I want to put I'm not

1785
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 1: putting this guy on there, but I want to put

1786
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:25,759
Speaker 1: him on there. I want it to be Bill Russell

1787
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: because of all that he stood for, continues to stand

1788
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: for and as the ultimate champion. But I gotta put

1789
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 1: the guy that changed the game and put us in

1790
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: position to make the money we make today. I'll play

1791
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: the role. It's Magic Johnson, So I mean Magic and

1792
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,759
Speaker 1: Larry changed the game. I gotta pick one be Magic

1793
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: because I'm a point guard. Because you remember before they

1794
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: came along the NBA Finals will take the league. I

1795
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 1: don't know if people remember that, but you didn't watch it,

1796
01:30:58,200 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 1: though you watch it if you want to watch it.

1797
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: They changed the game. They absolutely changed the game. And

1798
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: I mean guys was they were doing whatever they want wearing,

1799
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: changing jewelry, smoking and drinking and getting out. They were

1800
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 1: doing everything. Yes, the game changed, to the credit of

1801
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: those two guys and the late grade David Stern, the commissioner,

1802
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: who who who was you know at the helm. But

1803
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The game is in great hands today,

1804
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: commission to Silver, the coaches, the players, the management, the

1805
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: new breed of owners that we have today. It's different

1806
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: than the old school guys. And I was doing my

1807
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: way on the highway. They are and they are taking

1808
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: care of the business of the NBA and I'm proud

1809
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: to be part of it. You get one, you get

1810
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: one trade Steph shooting a Jordan's athleticism, That's an easy

1811
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:57,600
Speaker 1: call for me. I would take Steph shooting because we

1812
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:01,799
Speaker 1: haven't seen guys with Jordan's athleticism. But we've seen special

1813
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: athletes at the playground. Okay, that never made it right.

1814
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: If you could shoot like Steph Curry, you're gonna be

1815
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: all right. Kobe's mentality or Lebron's basketball like you, that's

1816
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: a closer one. But I'm gonna tell you I would

1817
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 1: take Kobe Man's Kobe's mentality. The reason why is because

1818
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: I would be successful in life period, whether it be

1819
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: basketball or somewhere else. Okay, I'm gonna be good Shaq

1820
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: dominance or Tim Duncan's fundamentals. Give me the dominance, give

1821
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: me Shack's dominance. He's a tough did you what are

1822
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 1: you doing? These are tough questions, man, I got this

1823
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 1: is gonna be good. Kyrie handles a Magic's passing? You're

1824
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 1: asking me, I gotta say Magic's passing as great as

1825
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: Kyrie's handles are, and is I was birthed on Magic

1826
01:32:56,280 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: Johnson's ability to see the floor and make everybody else better. Bruh,

1827
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: have a great season, man, You're a legend. Man. Appreciate you.

1828
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: Know before you one more NBA champions? Who's gonna be

1829
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:13,600
Speaker 1: the NBA champion this year? Who's Who's Who's who's in

1830
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 1: the finals, and who wins it. I'm gonna say the

1831
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 1: Lakers and the Nets just because it's it's the safe pick.

1832
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: And I will say the Nets because of those three dudes.

1833
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: Five sweet five six, Gentlemen, Sweet five, Game six, seven,

1834
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 1: Game seven. I'm hoping seven, but I think Lakers gonna

1835
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: get him. I'm you see, I'm not sitting here at

1836
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: firm on my belief. Lakers are good enough to absolutely

1837
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: roll through everybody. They're that talented, and they did a

1838
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 1: great job of improving their roster and getting guys that

1839
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to guess what I'm gonna get when

1840
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,640
Speaker 1: I insert them into the ball game. Those guys have

1841
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 1: a b they at work that tells you what they're

1842
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 1: gonna deliver. Mark, I appreciate you stopping by good luck

1843
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: this season. You're a legend. Man. Appreciate rolling Thank you, man.

1844
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: Appreciate that all my life and running all my life

1845
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 1: sacrifice Hustle Bay the Price wanna slice, got the broller

1846
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 1: Dice to swap all my life. I've been grinding all

1847
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 1: my life, all my life, then running all my life sacrifice,

1848
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 1: Hustle Bade the Prices want a slice, Got the brother

1849
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 1: of Dice to swap all my life. I've been grinding

1850
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: in all my life.