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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical debt and so

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Speaker 3: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. On our

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Speaker 3: episode today, we'll hear two incredible and very different near

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Speaker 3: death experiences. First, the story of a teenager who drowns

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Speaker 3: in a cold lake and is connected with the light

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Speaker 3: of all creation. And then a woman who was greeted

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Speaker 3: by her great grandmother shown the Hall of Records, and

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Speaker 3: so much more. Plus at the end you'll discover how

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Speaker 3: one man keeps his communication alive with his wife across

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Speaker 3: the veil using his phone and his computer. Here's our

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Speaker 3: first story. Meet Andy.

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Speaker 5: Hi, I'm Andy Petro. It was nineteen fifty five, two

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Speaker 5: days before graduation from high school, and our class decided

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Speaker 5: to take a picnic out in a nearby lake. So

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Speaker 5: water doesn't warm up very much there. So we had

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Speaker 5: lunch and playing some games in things, and then all

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Speaker 5: of a sudden I could see some of my friends

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Speaker 5: and they were waving at me to some output and

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Speaker 5: a running dive into the water, and it really was cold.

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Speaker 5: And now I'm swimming out to the platform and I

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Speaker 5: I'm starting to splash around and I'm choking and now

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Speaker 5: I'm underwater, starting to panic. And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: I pop up again above the water and my head

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Speaker 5: is above the water, and I'm looking around. What can

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Speaker 5: I can't yell because there's water in my throat and mouth,

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Speaker 5: and so I'm waving and they're waving back at me,

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Speaker 5: so they must think we're playing some kind of game.

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Speaker 5: And then I go down again and I never come up.

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Speaker 5: It is so cold, I'm shivery, and as I go

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Speaker 5: down deeper and deeper, it starts to get darker. Now,

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, I feel weeds out of my

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Speaker 5: of a sudden I hit bottom and now, oh man,

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Speaker 5: screaming in my body. I'm dying. I finally admit that

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Speaker 5: but I don't know who it is. And the voice says, Andy,

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Speaker 5: And I said I can't do that, and the voice

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Speaker 5: And now I feel myself being drawn like a giant magnet,

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Speaker 5: Now I'm in the middle of a giant sphere about

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Speaker 5: in the middle of this wall, in the inside of

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Speaker 5: all of my lives and of all of the things

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Speaker 5: I don't see it, but I feel it and I

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Speaker 5: know it's there, and the light and I start to

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Speaker 5: communicate about all of these events in all of my lives,

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Speaker 5: and I could see them all. I understood everything, and

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Speaker 5: So if I'm with my family and talking to them

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Speaker 5: Because nothing's hidden, nothing is unknown, everything is transparent. It

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Speaker 5: seemed like I was there for months, but obviously in

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Speaker 5: earth time, I was only drowned for somewhere between ten

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Speaker 5: and then as I'm looking at these things, finally, in

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Speaker 5: to the light and I'm standing there and the light says, Andy,

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Speaker 5: And then the light says Andy, we love you. And

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Speaker 5: when the light says we love you, the whole background

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Speaker 5: and the light kind of disappear. And now there are

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Speaker 5: thousands and millions and trillions of other lights just like bait.

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Speaker 5: And they say in one chorus, welcome home, Andy. And

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Speaker 5: at that point in time, I was absorbed into the light.

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Speaker 5: I became the light. I wasn't greater than the light.

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Speaker 5: a holographic piece of the light. And it's the most

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Speaker 5: fantastic feeling that as a human I could ever imagine.

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Speaker 5: It's indescribable. And at that moment I knew everything. There

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Speaker 5: was nothing I did not know. There's no reason you

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Speaker 5: need to ask questions because I knew it all. And

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Speaker 5: now I'm with the light, and the light is really funny.

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Speaker 5: The light has a fantastic sense of humor. When we

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Speaker 5: were looking at my life review and the big sphere

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Speaker 5: the light, we would say, and look, how upset you

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Speaker 5: for a little while, because it's not real. Personal life

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Speaker 5: There's eight million actors on the planet and they're all

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Speaker 5: that I can incarnate and be born on planet like

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Speaker 5: And when I heard the word back, the k in back,

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Speaker 5: the most exhilarating experience I could ever imagine was when

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Speaker 5: The most horrible one that I've experienced was going back

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Speaker 5: never lost consciousness. This is a complete stream from the

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Speaker 3: right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Before the break, we heard the incredible story of Andy Petro, who,

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Speaker 3: When he decided to listen to the voice and simply

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Speaker 3: And what did he learn? That our life here on

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Speaker 1: I'm at a dinner party with friends who had just

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Speaker 1: You're going to die. There was a feeling that came

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Speaker 1: that's all I could see out of. Until that was gone.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm in pitch blackness. Call it the abyss or

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Speaker 1: But it was so comfortable there, even though it was

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Speaker 1: Wasn't like I could move and run or anything. I

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Speaker 1: When I was a child and I had asked my father, well,

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Speaker 3: other people. And if we have to review all of

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Speaker 3: this when we get to the other side, what can

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Speaker 3: we do now to make that experience a little bit

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Speaker 3: more pleasant.

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Speaker 5: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back

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Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. Before the break,

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Speaker 3: we heard the beginning of Heather May's incredible near death experience.

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Speaker 3: It was a journey that took her from a physical

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Speaker 3: crisis at a dinner party to the heart of the

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Speaker 3: spirit world. We heard how she transitioned through a pitch

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Speaker 3: black but peaceful and comfortable void where she felt completely

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Speaker 3: supported and had zero fear. She was pulled up a

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Speaker 3: tunnel of light and greeted by a massive group of

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Speaker 3: loving souls, including her great grandmother and other deceased relatives

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Speaker 3: that she recognized. She experienced a profound life review where

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Speaker 3: she was fully immersed in her life's moments, feeling the

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Speaker 3: exact emotional impact her thoughts and actions had on other people.

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Speaker 1: She learned that.

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Speaker 3: We choose our parents before we are born, and that

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Speaker 3: we may soul agreements with them to help each other grow.

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Speaker 3: Let's continue as we hear more about Heather's experience and

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Speaker 3: the karmic agreements that can span lifetimes, her visit to

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Speaker 3: the Beautiful Crystal City and what she saw in the

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Speaker 3: Hall of Records where the books of every soul's journey

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Speaker 3: are kept.

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Speaker 1: So I was shown about karma in the sense on

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Speaker 1: how that works, and that's part of also these agreements.

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Speaker 1: I was shown other lifetimes that I had had. One

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Speaker 1: of them was I killed somebody in another lifetime, and

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Speaker 1: then I'm shown the person we had an agreement. We're

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Speaker 1: going to reverse roles, not to the point of death,

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Speaker 1: mind you, but some really traumatic stuff, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I was going to be the receiver. They were going

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Speaker 1: to be the doer. And so it did give me

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Speaker 1: a much better understanding as to why some of the

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Speaker 1: things had occurred that just seemed out of left field

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Speaker 1: for me. I learned all about energy and the human

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Speaker 1: body because this is what I was going to come

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Speaker 1: back with. So I was shown and lightning speed. It's

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Speaker 1: like it's just there. All the information is just there,

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Speaker 1: very very very quickly and flashed in front of you.

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Speaker 1: And so how the human body works on an energetic level,

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Speaker 1: what we take in, what we put out, how it

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Speaker 1: moves within the body, all about the oric field, all

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Speaker 1: about energy points, and how motions work, and how unprocessed

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Speaker 1: all motions will affect the physical body. Brains are so

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Speaker 1: incredibly powerful. We can hinder ourselves or not. We can

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Speaker 1: make things better within ourselves. What we direct out there

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Speaker 1: is a frequency, and that frequency we can also invite

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Speaker 1: a lower level frequency, higher level frequency. How to move energy,

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Speaker 1: It's almost like using the body as file, a cabed it.

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Speaker 1: You know, Oh, I'm going to stick this file and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to put it over here, you know, or

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Speaker 1: in my lower back, because I don't have the luxury

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Speaker 1: right now to deal with that, and so we file

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Speaker 1: it and put it away. I also went to the

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Speaker 1: Crystal City, which was immensely beautiful. I wasn't there very long.

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Speaker 1: Somebody came to meet me. I didn't get to see

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Speaker 1: their face or anything. I didn't. I just knew it

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Speaker 1: was a body and somebody who really liked me, because

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Speaker 1: they gave me a great big up. Basically, it's not

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Speaker 1: my time to be home. So I was like, oh okay,

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Speaker 1: and then immediately gone from there. We shown the place

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Speaker 1: of healing for souls who have done their lifetime, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes lifetimes can be really traumatic, and we go to

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Speaker 1: a place of healing. There's healing pools, there's healing water,

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Speaker 1: the oh, and everything's marble. Everything was marble, wait, marble.

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Speaker 1: It was quite interesting. Actually there was columns. Some souls

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Speaker 1: can be there quite some time, not that there's time,

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Speaker 1: that's how we had spanned it. Of course, some could

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Speaker 1: be there for a very very long time to depending

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Speaker 1: upon the life experience that they had. And there was

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Speaker 1: the Hall of records. I called them the Hall of

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Speaker 1: records because I mean, at that time, that was the

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Speaker 1: language that I used, and I understand that everybody called

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Speaker 1: it a castic records. It's fine. The books are as

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Speaker 1: high up as you could possibly imagine. And I was

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Speaker 1: shown my book, My book Wow, obviously had a lot

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Speaker 1: of lifetimes because it was pretty thick. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: been around quite a bit of times. And then both

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Speaker 1: when Harry Potter came out, I thought, did they talk

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Speaker 1: to some people who had NBS and maybe had looked

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Speaker 1: at their book. I was also shown on a soul level,

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Speaker 1: not all souls are kind of in the same place.

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Speaker 1: So if you've got a full vibration on let's say

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Speaker 1: a level three, well they're not going to be in

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Speaker 1: the same soul understanding vibration at somebody sitting in a

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Speaker 1: five or six frequency. It's interesting that kind of like

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Speaker 1: was with like there's many different levels. There's a place

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Speaker 1: that you do go. You have mentors where you are

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Speaker 1: working out your life agreement. There's also a cosmic board.

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Speaker 1: What would I like in it too? Not quite a

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Speaker 1: government system, but they're there to talk with you, to

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Speaker 1: also help you and others, and they're from multi dimensions

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Speaker 1: and it's hard to wrap one's head around that. I

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Speaker 1: totally get that, you know, I was surprised as well,

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Speaker 1: but nothing shocked to me. It's like, oh yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know all this, Oh yeah, I know this all

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Speaker 1: from this side, you know, because we when we incarnate,

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Speaker 1: everything's white clean. Some of them were just your light,

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Speaker 1: the ball of light that would kind of change colors

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Speaker 1: from pink to white to maybe very very pale blues.

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Speaker 1: Others I could actually see their faces really. Some of

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Speaker 1: them had a white quote. There was one specifically that

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Speaker 1: it was blue, a blue cloak. When you're there, you

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Speaker 1: just you know that they're from other galaxies, other dimensions,

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Speaker 1: and they all come together. They're extremely wise. Some of them,

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Speaker 1: I guess we would call them like maybe they looked

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Speaker 1: like eties.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It was a long table and they were all sitting

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Speaker 1: around it, and that area was illuminated, but anything around

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Speaker 1: that was black. I know exactly where we were for that.

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Speaker 1: But there were also time periods being shown modes of travel,

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Speaker 1: which I haven't really spoken about before. Why at the

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Speaker 1: time called them Wormholtz. I went through a couple of them.

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Speaker 1: They were showing them to me. It was flashes of

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Speaker 1: color and it was extraordinarily fast. I felt it was

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Speaker 1: kind of a bumpy ride, but I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I felt that way, but it seemed that way to be.

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Speaker 1: But it's modes of transportation to get one place to

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Speaker 1: the other, but not for everybody. Others could just imagine

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Speaker 1: it in their mind and then they're there. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know how that worked. Really, Your senses are so highlighted here.

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Speaker 1: Everything's kind of dimmed down, right, It's more dim you know,

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Speaker 1: whereas on the that experience like wow, and now I

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Speaker 1: feel alive. Now I'm alive. What was I doing before?

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Speaker 1: Obviously I didn't feel like I was living a dream

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Speaker 1: and so almost like two dimensional in a sense.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I have met a lot of people like my family

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Speaker 1: was not in to hearing about this. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: that right now. They were not supporters of it because

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Speaker 1: of course that was their belief structure, right, and never

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Speaker 1: did push it or anything. But it was definitely a

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Speaker 1: lonely journeying at the time. I don't want to scare anybody.

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Speaker 1: I was sitting in some kind of chair of some kind.

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Speaker 1: There were golden balls so much bigger than a basketball,

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Speaker 1: and I was sinning and it would come in front

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Speaker 1: of me and it would open up and there would

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Speaker 1: be a movie in there. It was the start of

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Speaker 1: mankind in wars murdering each other all through the Earth's history,

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Speaker 1: and it just kept going. The level of trauma was huge,

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Speaker 1: absolutely huge death, death, death, lots of fires, and lots

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Speaker 1: of death from water flooding, what we now call tsunamis.

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Speaker 1: Even there was lots of protests that we were coming

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Speaker 1: more into our world today. Definitely saw all the wars,

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Speaker 1: all the wars. It was just absolutely expruciating to watch

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Speaker 1: a lot of unrests and our world people desperate to

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Speaker 1: be heard, desperate to be as much as a priority

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Speaker 1: as anybody else, and marches lots of anger, lots and

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Speaker 1: lots and lots of anger. Then it's all kind of

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Speaker 1: where we are right now. We've got to shed are

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Speaker 1: beliefs about other people to get through where we need

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Speaker 1: to go. I'll leave it there. I find it terribly

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Speaker 1: spat I asked to stop. I couldn't bear anymore to

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Speaker 1: have the understanding of, unfortunately, what we do to one another.

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Speaker 1: And it could be over religion, it could be over land,

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Speaker 1: it could be over anything without the understanding that we're

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Speaker 1: all here for the same purpose, We're all here as

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Speaker 1: brothers and sisters. I was not actually going to come back,

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Speaker 1: and in disbelief that I was dead, that you know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a chance to really start, and I

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Speaker 1: didn't have a chance to do the things that I

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Speaker 1: came here to do, and that I wanted to go back,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to do the work that I set

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Speaker 1: out to do. In regards to my life contract, I

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Speaker 1: was told coming back was going to be far more

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Speaker 1: difficult than before I died. On a physical, emotional, mental,

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Speaker 1: psychological level. Was all going to be extraordinarily painful, and

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Speaker 1: there were things that physically I wasn't going to be

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Speaker 1: able to heal and I was going to live with

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Speaker 1: that pain. So I was to be prepared for that.

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Speaker 1: Then I was asked again, do you want to come back?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So I do, because I firmly believed that I could

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Speaker 1: do a lot of work. We're connected to each other.

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Speaker 1: I think if we could just have that understanding how

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Speaker 1: connected we are to one another, and let go of

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Speaker 1: all our false beliefs of one another and really have

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Speaker 1: that understanding that we are energetically a part of each

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Speaker 1: other at all times. We're all human, period. Don't have

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Speaker 1: to have all these divisions and everything that have been created.

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Speaker 1: I think if my wish could be anything, if we

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Speaker 1: could just get to that understanding.

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Speaker 3: Heather May's near death experience was due to nine massive

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Speaker 3: blood clots that passed through her heart and lodged in

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Speaker 3: her lungs. She had just turned twenty eight years old.

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Speaker 3: Her doctors were shocked that she survived, calling it a

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Speaker 3: medical miracle. But the true miracle wasn't just her survival,

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Speaker 3: It's the wisdom she brought back for all of us.

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Speaker 3: In her life review, she showed how we are all

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Speaker 3: energetically connected, that even our unspoken thoughts are felt by others,

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Speaker 3: and a single act of kindness can alter another person's course.

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Speaker 3: Heather felt that we have soul agreements with other people,

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Speaker 3: and although personally I don't think everything in our life

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Speaker 3: happens because of an agreement. I think there is cause

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Speaker 3: and effect here on earth. But what if some of

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Speaker 3: our toughest times we could look at from a different perspective?

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Speaker 3: Would it give us power in our lives? Now? I

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Speaker 3: think the most inspiring lesson of all from Heather is

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Speaker 3: that she chose to return. She was warned that coming

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Speaker 3: back would be extraordinarily painful and that she would live

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Speaker 3: with physical challenges. That she may never heal from, but

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Speaker 3: yet she begged to come back to fulfill her purpose

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Speaker 3: and to share the message that we are all connected.

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Speaker 3: Her journey teaches us that this life, with all of

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Speaker 3: its pain and struggle, is a courageous choice and experience

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Speaker 3: our souls deeply desire. When we come back from the break,

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Speaker 3: you'll hear a story of how a man connects with

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Speaker 3: his wife using technology. We'll be right back. You're listening

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Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coastcast

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Speaker 3: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. If you'd like to find out more

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Speaker 3: about Andy and Heather, you can visit Andy's website Andrew

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Speaker 3: Petro dot com. He's written the book Alive in the Light,

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Speaker 3: Remembering Eternity, and then also a second book, which is

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Speaker 3: an integration of prose and poetry called Remember the Light.

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Speaker 3: You can find out about Heather on her website Heathermay

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Speaker 3: dot c A and May is spelled mae. Just like

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Speaker 3: others we've heard of that have had near death experiences,

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Speaker 3: the after effects make people wish to serve others. So

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Speaker 3: thank you Andy and Heather for your stories. What I'd

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Speaker 3: like to do now is share something a little different

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Speaker 3: with you. This gentleman is not up for a live interview,

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Speaker 3: but someday, he says, he will be. But this is

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Speaker 3: a story that has unfolded for me over the past

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Speaker 3: several months through a series of very heartfelt emails that

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Speaker 3: I've received from a listener. It's a story of eternal love,

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Speaker 3: of groundbreaking communication with the spirit world, and the incredible

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Speaker 3: dedication of a man named Ricky to his beloved wife

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Speaker 3: in spirit named Ketka. Ricky has given me his blessing

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Speaker 3: to share with you his story in his journey. He

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Speaker 3: is still deep in grief after losing his wife of

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Speaker 3: thirty one years, but he is passionate about sharing his

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Speaker 3: system that he created with Keteka in the hopes that

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Speaker 3: it will help others to communicate beyond the veil. His

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Speaker 3: journey began with a need that so many of us share.

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Speaker 3: He needed more than faith. He needed to know that

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Speaker 3: his Keteka was still with him. This led Ricky into

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Speaker 3: two different, both incredible methods of communication. The first is

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Speaker 3: a form of EVP or electronic voice phenomena, and, as

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Speaker 3: Ricky beautifully calls it, ethereal voice phenomena. He was taught

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Speaker 3: by the wonderful Sherry Pearl how to do EVPs and

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Speaker 3: uses a combination of two free software programs. The first

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Speaker 3: is EVP Maker version two zwo point one. The second

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Speaker 3: is a recording software called Audacity version three point one

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Speaker 3: point three. He told me you can find instructions simply

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Speaker 3: by going to YouTube and searching EVP video by Sherry Pearl,

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Speaker 3: and he spelled her name sh Eeri p erl. If

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Speaker 3: this is something that interests you and you wish to

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Speaker 3: try it, you can hear a lot more about EVPs

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Speaker 3: and some examples back on Shades of the Afterlife episode

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Speaker 3: seventy one. Back to Ricky. In just over three years,

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Speaker 3: he has recorded nearly four thousand messages from Kettka. She

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Speaker 3: speaks to him in her own voice with her same accent,

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Speaker 3: telling him things like I need you forever and I'm

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Speaker 3: here with you. She even uses their personal Danish name Bamza,

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Speaker 3: which means teddy bear, and once she said Jai elskadai,

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Speaker 3: which means I love you in Danish perfectly, But as

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Speaker 3: groundbreaking as that is, it's the second method that is

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Speaker 3: truly incredible. Ricky calls it light orb communication. He sets

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Speaker 3: up a bulletin board with yes and no cards, writes

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Speaker 3: a question, and then films the board in a dark room.

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Speaker 3: He has recorded over one thousand videos of light orbs

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Speaker 3: moving to confirm the answers. This evolved into a text

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Speaker 3: pad with flashcards of Keteka's own words, allowing her to

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Speaker 3: text him new messages. He has compiled what he calls

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Speaker 3: love letters from ketty albums filled with messages she has

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Speaker 3: confirmed with light orbs, like our love expands forever and

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Speaker 3: Love's got more power. The most stunning example is a

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Speaker 3: video he sent me where he was only thinking about

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Speaker 3: asking her to circle the card Ohanna Forever, and a

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Speaker 3: beautiful light orb appeared and did exactly what he asked for,

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Speaker 3: circling those words, responding to his thought alone. The spiritual

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Speaker 3: connection between them goes back even further to a sacred

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Speaker 3: experience Katika had after the loss of their firstborn son, Vincent.

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Speaker 3: In her own words, she wrote, that night I felt

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Speaker 3: the door opened and a young man stood next to

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Speaker 3: my bed. I knew who he was, and I smiled.

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Speaker 3: It was my son, Vincent, his spirit. A few seconds later,

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Speaker 3: a woman came into my room I looked closely. It

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Speaker 3: was my sister. She had died three years ago, and

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Speaker 3: she had come to take my son home. What a

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Speaker 3: comfort that was on my heart. What an incredible gift

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Speaker 3: of peace for a mother's heart. Ricky and Ketteka's journey

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Speaker 3: is a testament to eternal love. If you are inspired

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Speaker 3: by their story and want to learn more about these methods, again,

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Speaker 3: Ricky wants to make sure you have the resources on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Just search for EVP video by Sherry Pearl to learn

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Speaker 3: this audio method. And of course, back on episode seventy one,

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Speaker 3: we talked to Sherry Pearl and for the light orb communication.

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Speaker 3: Ricky says, just do the following simple steps. Take a

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Speaker 3: bulletin board, yes and no cards and perhaps other frequently

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Speaker 3: used words, and film them with your phone in a

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Speaker 3: dark room, with an open heart and persistence. The video

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Speaker 3: replays that Ricky sent me was a single, bright, large

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Speaker 3: ORB that moved with intelligence over this board. Ricky wrote

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Speaker 3: and sang a beautiful song to his wife and spirit.

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Speaker 3: It's short. As a thank you to Ricky. I'd like

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Speaker 3: to play it now and then when we get back.

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Speaker 3: I've got a couple of thoughts and ways that we

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Speaker 3: can be in communication with our own loved ones. Here's Ricky.

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Speaker 5: Do you ask me.

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Speaker 3: The love everything about you?

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Speaker 5: And you know, of course I do.

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Speaker 1: I know I was born to.

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Speaker 4: Love you always, every minute.

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Speaker 1: Of third day.

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Speaker 4: I'm forever here today, my love, Katy, my aproom, my

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Speaker 4: love Katy, by you.

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Speaker 3: I love you.

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Speaker 5: You knew that.

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Speaker 3: I feel the same with you.

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Speaker 5: Dude. We're so very.

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Speaker 4: Much in love me, just not always every moment where

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Speaker 4: we God Carol is breaking my heart. My love Katy,

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Speaker 4: my apel, my love Kenny.

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Speaker 5: By.

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Speaker 1: Love you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Ricky and Ketdy or Keteka from

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Speaker 3: across the veil. I know it took a lot of

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Speaker 3: courage to share that, but you know this will make

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Speaker 3: a difference for your fellow listeners. How do we keep

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Speaker 3: connected to our loved ones. We can try technology if

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Speaker 3: we're technology minded, but it can be as simple as

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Speaker 3: asking them to draw close. We need to slow down

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Speaker 3: our mind, be in the present moment. Ask them to

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Speaker 3: walk close to you. You may feel goosebumps on your

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Speaker 3: arm or your head, and just stay quiet. You'll get

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Speaker 3: a slight change in energy. You know. The goosebumps is

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Speaker 3: how I call it. Also, talk to them spend some

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Speaker 3: time walking down memory lane in your mind thinking of

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Speaker 3: shared loving memories you had with them, and ask them

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Speaker 3: to show you more. And don't be surprised if, out

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Speaker 3: of the blue, when you're doing something completely else, all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, these random flashbacks come into your mind.

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Speaker 3: Those are little ways that say I love you, and

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Speaker 3: then I'm still with you. Of course we can ask

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Speaker 3: them to visit us in dreams. There's a beautiful interview

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Speaker 3: I had done with doctor Janet Pete Alato sometime last year,

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Speaker 3: who's a dream expert and psychologist. She calls it the

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Speaker 3: dream gate. Before we go to bed at night, we

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Speaker 3: can talk to our loved ones. Of course, we can

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Speaker 3: ask them to show up in our dreams. How do

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Speaker 3: we know it's really them, not our imagination. Well, like

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Speaker 3: a near death experience, you have a dream that you

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Speaker 3: cannot forget, and that what happens in it is love,

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Speaker 3: not fear, not random thoughts, but love. Anything else that's

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Speaker 3: just our subconscious minds. But when we wake up in

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Speaker 3: the morning, when we're still in that day dreamy type state,

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Speaker 3: we can create this dream gate, create a beautiful g

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Speaker 3: eight of some sort or doorway in your mind and

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Speaker 3: picture your loved one on the other side. Simply open

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Speaker 3: the gate and begin talking with them. It's that place

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Speaker 3: between sleep and between awake where it's easier for them

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Speaker 3: to communicate. I know what you're thinking. How do I

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Speaker 3: know if it's my imagination, Sandra, or if it's really them. Well,

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Speaker 3: in the beginning it may be more of your imagination.

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Speaker 3: But in time, it's like they tell the story, things

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Speaker 3: start to unfold that you realize you're not creating on

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Speaker 3: their side of life. This requires some practice too. We

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Speaker 3: don't just know everything because we cross over. So the

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Speaker 3: more we can practice this, the more they can practice

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Speaker 3: from their side. Another good method is called writing or

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Speaker 3: automatic writing. Get a journal, write out your thoughts, write

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Speaker 3: to them, and then just say if you were writing

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Speaker 3: back to me, what would you say, And just whatever

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Speaker 3: comes to mind. Just write it, don't think about it it,

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Speaker 3: don't keep rereading it, and in time they'll get practice

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Speaker 3: delivering their thoughts through your mind and your hand. Of course,

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Speaker 3: we've got two hundred and some past episodes and you

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Speaker 3: can hear wonderful stories of all these things and so

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Speaker 3: much more. Be sure to come visit me at Wee

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Speaker 3: dootdie dot com. Leave your name and your email address

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Speaker 3: there for you. Join our free Sunday gathering and take

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Speaker 3: a class if you like. We offer great medium classes

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Speaker 3: so that you know how your soul receives information and

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Speaker 3: guess who you practice with your loved ones. In closing,

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain and from the bottom of my heart,

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Speaker 3: thank you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on

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