1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house stuff Works 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast on Josh Clark, 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry. Uh. Well, this 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: is stuff you should know here. Look like you're about 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: to describe in the room and then it's too depressing 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: in here. Yeah, and you know we should uh might 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: as well announced that we're moving. I don't think we've 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: announced that yet, have we? No, we haven't. No, we 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: are finally moving. Um. You know, we've been in this 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: building since you and I and Jerry have been here, 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: actually since how Supports has been around, right, I think 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: it started in North Carolina. Well, no, I mean Marshall 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Brain's kitchen. No, no, I mean the Atlanta version. I 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: genuinely don't know, but probably. Yeah. So we've been in 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: this building in Buckhead, Atlanta. That's not super exciting. And 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: our first office was kind of cool. This one is 17 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: decidedly not cool. We call this one the call sent there. Yeah, 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: it's really it's just not a creative space. And so, um, 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: when we were sold by Discovery Channel this summer, our 20 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: new parents, Blue Cora uh said, let's move you into 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: a cool creative awesome new space and we are all 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: super excited, um, except for you probably with the commute. Yeah, 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: but I mean it's still it's pretty cool. I mean 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: there's gonna be an easy Kiah downstairs. Yeah you know. Yeah. 25 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: I think it's the same people that developed Chelsea Market, yeah, 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,639 Speaker 1: in New York City, so they're doing something here too, 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: and we're moving into it. Yeah. It's called pot City Market, 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: and um, it is the old Sears building from the 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, which I used to go to as 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: a kid when it was Sears in the nineteen hundreds. 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: Very funny and what was the nineteen hundred nineteen eighties? 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: Oh wow, not bad, you were thinking nineteen twenties though, 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: I know where you're going. So we're we're trying to 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: have a bigger presence in Atlanta and to be a 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: little more visible in the world and the world, and 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: so we're gonna have a cool new office space and 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: it's just awesome. So thanks to our boss Jason and 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: Jerry for working so hard on all this, and Michael 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: and Izzy and everyone's done a great job. And we're 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: moving in like we're to do the last like six 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: shows or so. We're recording here ish, Yeah, until we 42 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: move into our new new place. Yeah, so I just 43 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: wanted to say that we're super excited. That was nice. Chuck. Yeah, 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: hats off to you too, killed a few minutes. So 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with poison ivy uh at all. No. 46 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, I'll bet there's not 47 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: much poison ivy around pot City Market. No, I hope not. 48 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: It seems like the kind of place where they would 49 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: keep the poison ivy under control. Yeah, and I imagine 50 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: this also, by the way, it will be a show 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: where there will be many people scratching themselves. I did 52 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: while I was researching. A matter of fact, I just 53 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: scratched my ear while you said that. Yeah, but that 54 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with poison ivy. I have a 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: poison ivy story for you, alright. Um So, actually, when 56 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: I lived in the Highlands, um, let's see, not too 57 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: far from Pont City Market, you mean, and I had 58 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: this house we're reading, and it had a pretty substantial 59 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: poison ivy vine growing up this big oak tree in 60 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: the front yard. Front yard. Yeah, you probably wouldn't have 61 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: seen it the back. Um, I for some reason had 62 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: a suspicion that I was immune to poison ivy. Dude, 63 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: I remember this. I don't know why I thought that, 64 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: but I did. Even still, I took, you know, some precautions. 65 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: I wore, like gloves and a longsleeve shirt and jeans 66 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: and boots and everything like you're supposed to um. And 67 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: then I went out and decided to like take this 68 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: thing out. That's when you were in your homesteading days, right, 69 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: So first things first, you have to shop the vine, right, 70 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Because the like grows alongside the tree, like latches onto 71 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: it to grow up. It can so um when it 72 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: when it gets its meat hooks onto the tree. I 73 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: think that's a technical term for it. Um Like, it's 74 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: kind of tough to pull away, so you want to 75 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: chop it off first, and then you pull it away 76 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: from the tree. And this thing was growing way up 77 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: this oak tree. It was a substantial poison ivy vine. 78 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: So when I pulled it down, not only did a 79 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: lot of the poison ivy detritus fall down onto me, 80 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: the whole vine, like a twenty ft vine, just fell 81 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: down on top of me. And I'm I'm looking up 82 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: as the stuff's falling down. It's going into my face, 83 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: it's getting under my shirt, it's going into my mouth, 84 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: my eyes, it's everywhere, right, And I'm thinking, man, I'm 85 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: really glad I'm immune to poison ivy. Still, I don't 86 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: remember why I thought this. I'm picturing he's standing there 87 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: with your mouth light up pretty much like Wow, it's 88 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: a lot of poison ivy that just came down. Um. 89 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: And so I'm standing there, I'm I'm starting to clean 90 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: it up, and I'm as no rash is coming around. 91 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, awesome, I am immune to poison ivy. I 92 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: was right, because it's been like two minutes and no response. 93 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 1: Well fast forward to like an hour or two later 94 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: that it was pretty quick. I was like, oh no, 95 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: I told you too. I was like, I'm immune, and 96 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: she was like, you need to get out of those 97 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: clothes and take a shower. But it was too late, 98 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: And I guess you remember I do. It was. It 99 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: was really bad for like a couple of weeks. Yeah, 100 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: I have always still thought I am immune, and I 101 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: maybe because I've still never gotten poison ivy at all. 102 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: That is really surprising. Yeah, and I've been in contact 103 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: with it plenty as an outdoors enthusiast in a camper 104 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: and hiker um. But I remember I was telling Jerry 105 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: uh in between my father used to get it like crazy. 106 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Like one of the memories I have a child as 107 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: a child is my it seems like he constantly had 108 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: poison ivy and that pink uh is that calamine lotion? Yes, 109 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: just constantly slathered on his body and a lot of 110 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: um myths being bandied about, like I would catch it 111 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: from him or don't scratch because he'll spread it. Yeah, 112 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: neither one of those things are true. No. Jod Apatow's 113 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: wife lied and Big Daddy did she say that in 114 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: Big Daddy? Yeah, she was like the little kid was 115 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: scratching and she was like, don't let him scratch. Here, 116 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: put this uh like frozen broccoli on it. It will 117 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: spread the rash if if you scratch it. Not a lie, 118 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: So knock wood. I still have not gotten poison ivy. Um. 119 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: And that was one of our best intros ever. That's 120 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: a good one. I'm I'm itchy now. Yeah, so um, 121 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: let's talk about poison ivy. Chuck. That was like a 122 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: good story where one of us is a bone head. Man. 123 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: I can't believe it, and I think it was just 124 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: from like having been outside and not like getting a 125 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: rash poison ivy. But I guess they just hadn't come 126 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: into contact with it. Well, no, or we'll learn that 127 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: you could have been immune for a while and developed 128 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: UM after a repeated exposure. Yeah, that can happen too, 129 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: but usually it goes the opposite way that the more exposure, 130 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: the less it happens. Yeah, which is why a lot 131 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: of adults like basically age out of UM an allergy 132 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: to poison ivy if they come in contact with it 133 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: enough to I'll have to ask my dad actually, next 134 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: someone to see him. So apparently back in the day, 135 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: poison ivy UM was used as an ornamental shrub or 136 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: vine because it comes in both varieties UM. And then 137 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: they were like, something that causes this much of a 138 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: reaction in humans has to have some sort of medicinal benefits. 139 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 1: And actually there was at least one guy who really 140 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: researched UM poison ivy and as a medicine, and supposedly 141 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: he cured skin ailments. He made like some sort of 142 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: tonic that he rank and said it cured like a 143 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: stomach ailment, although it made him sweat and urinate more 144 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: than usual. UM and this guy was a real urinator too, 145 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: so that's something he was. But he apparently was one 146 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: of the only people who really looked into it, and 147 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: other scientists were like, we're just leaving that thing alone, right, 148 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: I did not see that, Okay. I think I saw 149 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: that with it from medicine, which shouldn't be surprising, you know, 150 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: because they had a lot of homespun sciences. They had 151 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: it figured out, sure, but um, it was a It 152 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: wasn't until I think, like the well the early twentieth 153 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: century that a Japanese researcher by the name of Majima 154 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: isolated what it was in poison ivy that um makes 155 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: us allergic and which is why it has a Japanese name. Correct, Yes, 156 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: that's exactly right, which is urushiol. You are you s 157 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: h i O L. Yeah, after the Japanese erushi, which 158 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: means laquer. Yeah. Uh. And basically it is um. It 159 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: is the chemical that is in the sap that is 160 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: what causes the rash. And apparently the rash is actually 161 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: called poison ivy as well. Oh really, that's what it 162 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: says here. It's this poison ivy is the red itchy 163 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: rash caused by the plant that bears its name. Oh yeah, 164 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: so I always just called it. Well, people say you've 165 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: got poison ivy. Yeah, that's right. I never thought of 166 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: it like that. Actually, that's exactly right. So what a breakthrough. 167 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: That's amazing. And the way you get poison ivy is 168 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: by coming into direct contact with this erusio Um. It's 169 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: in the plant, it's in the leaves, it's in the roots, 170 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: it's in the stems, and uh, you can get it. 171 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: Not only well, you have to come in contact with that, 172 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean from the plant. It can be 173 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: on a garden ray candle or a football that you 174 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: throw in the woods, or your animals fur but um, 175 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: it's still has to be that actual chemical compound and 176 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: it's got staying power to suppose the the rush all 177 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: can um stay potent for years? Yeah, I saw that 178 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: like a rake from last summer. If you pick it 179 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: up the next year, you can still get it. Yep, 180 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: that's insane. So chuckers, if you are immune to poison 181 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: ivy as you claim, you fall into the lucky of 182 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: people estimated who um are immune to poison ivy. But 183 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: for the rest of us, we are allergic to arushi 184 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: al yeah, and it doesn't take much. Um they they say, 185 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: here one billionth of a graham is all it takes sometimes. 186 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: And this is not just poison ivy. We should point 187 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: out there is also poison sumac and poison oak and 188 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: western or eastern and western poison oak, which which are 189 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: all part of the same family. That I'm not going 190 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: to try and pronounce. Uh, let me give it a try. 191 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: And a card dish c A man I said it 192 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: like out loud while I was studying, and it didn't 193 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: take And a card a c A anacardius say, Anacardius say, okay, 194 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: that sounds about right. Would you see any vowels? It's 195 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: very difficult. Yeah, The A C E A E at 196 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: the end really kind of messes yep, but a C 197 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: A yeah, so anacardius c A yeah. I think that's right. 198 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: I did it one day. We're going to practice these 199 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: things twelve times before we record instead of on the 200 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: air nex for Riveting podcasting. Uh So, like I said, 201 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: it's in the stems, the leaves, the roots, the whole shebang. 202 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: If you want to avoid the rash, you have to 203 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: avoid the plant. And just because the old saying leaves 204 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: free leaves three, leave it be. It's true in a 205 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: lot of cases, but not always. Homer Simpson says, leaves 206 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: a four eats some more. I think I remember that. 207 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: That's so funny. And you said that it's found in 208 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: the roots, the stems, the leaves, the whole shebang. Um. 209 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: But even after the plant dies, arushiol can stick around. 210 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: That's how That's how tough this stuff is. Sure, Like you, um, 211 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: you killed that vine in your front yard, and what 212 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: you do? Did you leave it there? Did you eventually 213 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: get around to h I cut it and pulled it 214 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: right down. It was a potent as the day is 215 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: long when I cut it. No, But what you do 216 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: after it was laying there on the ground. I just 217 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: cleaned it up. I was immune. Remember, Oh so you did? 218 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: You finished it up and put it in like a 219 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: garden bag or something. I was all it was, like, 220 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: I might as well have just rolled in it naked. 221 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: You probably thought, though, you were like, yeah, I showed you. Yeah. 222 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: I think I probably was cursing it as I was 223 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: pulling it because it was hanging onto the tree so much. 224 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, that stuff is like cement um. But 225 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: the point being, even after you had killed it and 226 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: chopped it up into tiny pieces. It still has that 227 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: active ingredient. And like you said, it doesn't take a 228 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: much like a billion of a craym. That's right, that's 229 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: not very much of this stuff. That's like a drop 230 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: let than the drop um. So we said, Um the 231 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: leaves three is a good rule to go by. The 232 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: center leave is usually larger, but not always. Um. Here's 233 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: some other ways to identify it though. It's generally in 234 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: low uh, in a cluster like a low weed like 235 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: or a vine like you said, that can climb right, 236 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: So it's either along the ground or it's climbing. This 237 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: isn't helping difference, you know, it really isn't um by 238 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: river banks, in the woods, moist areas, if you go 239 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: hiking a lot or camping, you're gonna see it everywhere. Uh. 240 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: And the leaves are smooth and have a little teeth 241 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: sometimes serrated. Yeah, like a serrated edge a good way 242 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: to put it. Their color also changes, which makes it difficult. 243 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I don't really remember that either. 244 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: I had no idea. I thought i'd just turned brown. 245 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: I thought they went from green to brown when it 246 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: went dormant. Torment. Apparently it's a seasonal thing, like a 247 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: reddish than green than yellow. Yeah, which is another reason 248 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: why they were sold as ornamental vines for a while. 249 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: That makes sense. But yeah, people are like, no, this, 250 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: this is just foolishness. Uh and white berries apparently, and um, well, 251 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: let's take a message break and then we'll talk a 252 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: little bit about the oaks and sumacs. Oh boy, right 253 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: after this, all right, oaks and sumas, my friend, they 254 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: are uh a little different in appearance. Ah yeah, so 255 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: as poison oak is called that because it grows into 256 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: a shrub. It's thought about that, right do you walk 257 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: along You're like, oh, look at that's cute little oak tree. 258 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: You're gonna be so big, and you put your face 259 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: all over it or whatever. You got poison oak on 260 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: your face, you dummy. Don't ever get too close to 261 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: an oaks, apply because it could kill you and your 262 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: whole family if I wanted to. That's right, And they 263 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: can be from a foot to six ft tall and 264 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: um on the west coast and in the south although 265 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: I don't think we said that you're gonna find poison 266 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: ivy everywhere, but it says southwest. But I looked at 267 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: a map and it looked like kind of just California. 268 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, I mean it kind of squirted out 269 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: a little bit there into Arizona some like in the desert, 270 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: but then other parts of Arizona obviously you're gonna find 271 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: it um. But most of the country you can get 272 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: your poison ivy except Alaska Hawaii, because those are great place. 273 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm surprised Alaska. I'm surprised Hawaii doesn't have it. Everything 274 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: grows in Hawaii. Yeah, but I don't know why does 275 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: it strike me as like woodsy. It seems more like, oh, 276 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of woods there, lush and palm trees 277 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: like rainforest e right, but I mean this stuff grows 278 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: in moist areas. I don't know what to think anymore. Well, 279 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: this is the thing, like you can't identify it. It 280 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: grows everywhere, even the places they say it doesn't grow. 281 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it. We're in trouble basically. So the oak, 282 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: the leaves um can also be in threes, but they 283 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: are thick, green and hairy on both sides. I think 284 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: the hairy thing is what's the dead giveaway with the 285 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: family uh and a d C A yeah, yeah, And 286 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: then the sumac. You're gonna find that in swamps, uh 287 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: or in the northeast and midwest along the rivers. And 288 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: it's a woody shrub. I love that word sumac. Yeah 289 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: do too. It makes me think of like a Native 290 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: American like just rowing a canoe of their own making, 291 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: like down a river. Wow, sumac, that's what it evokes 292 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: in my my mind's eye. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Uh. 293 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: And they have stems with rows of seven to thirteen 294 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: smooth edged leaflets. It doesn't look anything like poison oak 295 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: or poison ivy. No, And you know, you should know 296 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: what this stuff looks like pretty much by now. But 297 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: if you if you're a city dweller and you're gonna 298 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: like go to the country looking up online, just look 299 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: at some photos. Can you identify poison sumac? No, but 300 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: poison ivy for sure? Yeah? I usually can, or if 301 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: I have a question about it, I just assume it 302 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: is poison ivy and steer clear. Yeah. I don't think 303 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: I've ever seen the sumac. I haven't either until this, uh, 304 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: this article. There's a little I mean it's kind of pretty. 305 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: Oh that is pretty. They'll just put your face in 306 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: this destroy you so um, chuck, I guess let's let's 307 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: stop beating around the bush here. Okay, uh terrible yeah, Um. 308 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: What exactly is going on when poison ivy and specifically 309 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: arushio comes into contact with your skin? Why do you 310 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: break out in a terrible, terrible rash? Well, it's pretty 311 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: much the same if you remember our allergy podcast, the 312 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: same kind of thing is going on. From what I 313 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: can tell, it's like a mistaken response correct to something 314 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: that shouldn't give you a rash, that's all right, which 315 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: is why you see animals eating it like crazy and 316 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: rolling around in it because they're like they're they're not 317 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: dumb humans with dumb immune systems, right, Like this stuff 318 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: really is no big deal. Yeah, your immune system when 319 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: it encounters arushi all turns into like some like bone 320 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: head at the bar who's like got this heightened like 321 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: responsive to a girlfriend and like wants to fight everybody. 322 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: That's what your T cells do in your immune system. 323 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: So the arushiol, because of the way that it it's 324 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: um it's formed the compound that it is, it makes 325 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: it through the skin pretty easily, and as it has 326 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: absorbed your body, your skin actually um metabolizes it and 327 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: breaks it up into little components and presents it to 328 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: your T cells, your immune system cells, to say, are 329 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: these guys cool? You recognize these guys? And again your 330 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: T cells are like, well, no, I want to fight 331 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: this guy. And he calls his boys the Cite of Kings, right, Yeah, 332 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: the Site of Kings come along and they're like, yeah, 333 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: let's fight. Yes, look at those white blood cells because 334 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: they are some tough dudes, right. And the white blood 335 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: cells come in and they're huge, and they turn into 336 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: my macro fages, that's right, and they eat stuff, They 337 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: eat the foreign substance like crazy, and in doing so, 338 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: that's where you get your your rash. It damages the tissue, yeah, 339 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: because they're they're not just focusing on the arushiol, because 340 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: they're indiscriminately just messing the whole place up. The whole 341 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: bar just goes to pot because there's like classes broken 342 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: and stools thrown and everything is just messed up. Yeah. 343 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: It's like the movie Hooper, uh with Burt Reynolds. Yeah, 344 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. One one of the great bar 345 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: fights of all time. Oh, I gotta see it. Yeah. Um, 346 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: So that's what's going on basically, it's that's where the 347 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: inflammation comes from. It is just like an allergies with 348 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: hay fever. It's a mistaken response to that pollen in 349 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: hay fever skates, and it's just your dumb body not 350 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: knowing that it's really shouldn't be a big deal exactly, 351 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 1: which is why, over time, over repeated exposure to poison ivy, 352 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: even those lunkhead t cells figure out like, oh, your pal, 353 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: I don't have to mess with you, right, I know, 354 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: my girlfriend's pretty, it's cool. I'd look at her to write. 355 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: They calm down over a while, you know. Um, So eventually, 356 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: I guess if you just rubbed poison ivy on yourself 357 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: enough times, your your response wouldn't occur at all. Yeah, 358 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: but the there's a myth that you can eat poison 359 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: ivy to develop that immune response. Do not do that. 360 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 1: Don't do that because you could die, like seriously, right, 361 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: So what we just described can happen on your internal 362 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: organs rather than your skin. The macro files has come 363 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: in and indiscriminately just start eating everything and damaging the tissue. 364 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: That's one thing. If it's on your arm, it's another 365 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: thing if it's on your esophagus. You know. Yeah, you 366 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: could think it's swell shut or it's just as bad 367 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: your lungs too, which is another reason why when you 368 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: destroy uh poison ivy, Yeah, you don't burn it, because 369 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: when you burn it, the suiall vaporizes and you can 370 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: inhale it. And that's really really bad. That is really bad. Um. 371 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: You mentioned that you thought you were okay after a 372 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: few minutes. Uh. There can be something called delayed hypersensitivity. 373 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 1: That it's always that Yeah, because yeah, you're not going 374 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: to rub it on your skin and get it in 375 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: seconds later. That's immediate hypersensitivity. Um. If you have delayed hypersensitivity, 376 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: it could take hours. Um, it could take days. You 377 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: might think you're all good in a few days later 378 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna get it, which is one of the reasons. Um, 379 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: the myth of if you scratch it will spread it 380 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: happens because you might see it popping up on other 381 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: parts of your body days later, and it's not from 382 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: scratching or spreading. It's because just that delayed response. Yeah, 383 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: but you know more about that, right, Yeah. So the 384 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: whole thing what what we found out people called poison ivy. 385 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: The rash is technically called allergic content dermatitis. You can 386 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: get it from all sorts of things like laundry detergent 387 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: or like an itchy like tag. It's basically a skin 388 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: irritation from an allergic reaction, right and with the delayed kind, Yes, 389 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: it takes anywhere from you know, hours, two days, but 390 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. Um. There's also a media which is 391 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: like say a beasting or like a peanut where like 392 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: you within minutes like you're in big trouble. H And 393 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: actually if you do start to deplay display the same 394 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: kinds of symptoms that you would with like an immediate reaction, 395 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: you really need to go to the hospital. Like if 396 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: your throat swells up from poison ivy, or your your 397 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: lips turn blue from poison ivy, or you have a 398 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: fever that's like over a hundred degrees from it that 399 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: those are all signs that you need to go to 400 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: the hospital. This isn't a normal reaction to poison ivy. 401 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: If your lips turn blue at all in life, go 402 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: to the hospital. That's just Dr Chuck jiming in. So 403 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna bust some more myths than all that kind 404 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: of jazz um, right after this. Okay, So Chuck, Yes, 405 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: I said that we would bust some more myths. That's right, 406 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: let's do that, okay. So one of the things you 407 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: said is that, um, poison ivy doesn't spread it like 408 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: if you have it. Remember when I had it? Yeah, Uh, 409 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: if I brushed up against you, you wouldn't have gotten 410 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: poison ivy unless I had some sureiall on my skin. Correct. 411 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: So the poison ivy rash itself is not contagious, no, 412 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: but if it is still on your body, you could 413 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: spread it like if I was. If you and I 414 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: were in one of our famous camping hiking retreats, sure yeah, 415 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: and we were in the woods and I got out 416 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: on my hand and then like slapped you on the 417 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 1: back and told you what a good pal you were. 418 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: And of course you hike shirtless, so you might get 419 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: it because I actually have the compound on my hand. 420 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: If it could make it through the thick matte of 421 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: hair on my back, then yeah, I might catch poison 422 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 1: ivy from that. Well, you're hairy on both sides, just 423 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: like the poison oak. Right. Um, But let's say you 424 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: do come into contact, you're out in the woods, you're camping, 425 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: and you know you're like, oh, man, crap, I've been 426 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: avoiding it, but I just got it all over my 427 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: foot and I realized I did that. What you want 428 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: to do is just act super fast, UM, get it 429 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: in the creek or wash it off if you have 430 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: water immediately with just plain water. Um, the quicker you 431 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: do it, the better your chances. I'm not having that response. 432 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: And you also want to use cold water to warm 433 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: water is gonna open your pores, which will allow that 434 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: sure you all to be absorbed that much faster. It's 435 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: no good. Apparently warm our hot water will help after 436 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: you've gotten it though with the itching symptoms, like a 437 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: really hot shower, but not at first. You rinse off 438 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: that skin, take off all your clothes that have come 439 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: into contact with the plant. You're gonna wash those is quickly. 440 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: Spots doable um as well. So you're now you're naked 441 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: out in the woods. You're naked and afraid. Um, you're 442 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: washing your clothes. You want to wash your skin at 443 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: that point with this open water, after you've already washed 444 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: it off initially, Yeah, rinsed it and then um, if 445 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: you have if you're at home, get some isoprople alcohol 446 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,479 Speaker 1: in cotton and then do that next. If you're out 447 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 1: in the woods, you probably won't have that. Yeah. So, 448 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: like you said, if you act fast, you might be 449 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: able to prevent a reaction. And that's because you are 450 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: washing the um, are sure you all off before your 451 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: skin absorbs it. Once your skin absorbs it, you have 452 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: a very limited amount of time to take some sort 453 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: of steroid like a corticosteroid um that actually reduced the 454 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: body's immune response naturally. Um or like an anahistamine is 455 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: a good a good example of that, yeah, or a 456 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: topical if um. If you're super allergic, you may even 457 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: have a prescription for something like this right which you 458 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: want to take right away. But if not, uh, just 459 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, get the cord eight or land a court 460 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: and rub that all over your body like my dad did. 461 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: Look like a weird pink beast. But the problem is 462 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: what these windows closed pretty quickly because once once the 463 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: sure re all is absorbed, and once your body mounts 464 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: this immune response, once those macro fasts go in and 465 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: do all this tissue damage, your body has to heal 466 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: from that no matter what, even if your body is 467 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: no longer responding to this foreign invader that's actually harmless. Yeah, 468 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: the damage is still done. And you've got yourself this um, 469 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: this dermatitis that you've got to deal with. Yeah, and 470 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna itch and they you shouldn't scratch it, not 471 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: because you'll spread it, because you can actually get infected. 472 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: And I don't remember were you did you scratch a lot? 473 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: Are you pretty good about it? I mean I wanted 474 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: to what were some of your little like, uh, I 475 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: know when someone that's infected like that with something as 476 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: an adult, they do all kinds of things like I'm 477 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: not scratching, I'm just like rubbing my face on my 478 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: pillows saper hard right now. I Um, I used a 479 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: lot of um, a lot of self control, a lot 480 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: of smacking, Like you can smack the thing um and 481 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: it won't scratch. And the whole reason you're not scratching 482 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: is not again, you're not gonna spread it by scratching. 483 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: But what you're gonna do conceivably is, um, you're gonna 484 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: open up these sores because they can get like full 485 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: on blisters, right, and if you break one of these 486 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: blisters and you've got like poop under your fingernails you 487 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: can infect the blister and get up like a skin 488 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: infection and end up with scars. It's not a good jam. 489 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: So if you smack it, you're not gonna scratch it 490 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: or you're not gonna break the skin, but you can 491 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: still alleviate that itch that's generated by your skin repairing itself. 492 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: Because you never know when you might have poop under 493 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: your fingernails exactly, So just defer to the smack. I'll 494 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: bet there's a substantial amount of the population who has 495 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: poop under their finger nails at any given point in time. 496 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: I don't want that weird stat not at all. Uh So, 497 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: how shower once you have them. The rash can help 498 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: sue the itching a little bit. Um calamine lotion can help. 499 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: Baking soda paste if you're into more natural things, baking 500 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: soda and water just mixed together. Basically rub that on 501 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: there and the old oatmeal bath with any kind of 502 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: rash will sue things a little bit. I think I 503 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: used just tons of calamine lotion. Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, 504 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: I think I blocked a lot of that out. Then 505 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: would you mean just walk by chicken her head at 506 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: you every time she tell you she took good care 507 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: of me. But yeah, it's good. Yeah. You can also 508 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: just kind of get around the whole thing by using 509 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: something like ivy block, which uses something called that's like 510 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: if you go camping and you know your allergic, you 511 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: can take something beforehand that's a preventative. That's what's called Yeah, 512 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: bend o quatum. Bento quatum. Basically, it's like acts as 513 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: a shield that prevents this stuff, the osrei off being 514 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: absorbed by your skin. Interesting and it works to to 515 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: degree supposedly. Uh, if you do want to get rid 516 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: of it at your house, you should do what Josh 517 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: did sort of uh, And that you wore boots and 518 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: long sleeves and gloves and all that stuff, so you're 519 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: on the right track. Just don't gaze upward in wonder 520 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: as this stuff falls down onto your face. Mouth agape. Man, 521 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: that was just bad, not good. But um, if you 522 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: do dress up like that and cover yourself, you want 523 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: to pull it out by the roots, get it all 524 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: out of there. And um, because it's a I mean 525 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: like it's a viney and vines can establish themselves pretty 526 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: easily with just the slightest fragment of living plant. That's right, 527 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: don't burn it. No, no, no, it's not just bad 528 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: news for you, it's bad news for all your neighbors too. Yeah, 529 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: I imagine, Uh, you got anything else? The old man 530 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: clark over, there's burning his poison ivy. You're right, I 531 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: got nothing else. I don't either. That's poison ivy. If 532 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: you want to know more about it, including seeing pictures 533 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: of poison ivy and poison Sumac and poison oak before 534 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: you go camping, you can type in poison ivy at 535 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: the search bar at how stuff works dot com. You know, 536 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: bring up this great article. And since I said search parts, 537 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: time for a listener and mail. I'm gonna call this 538 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: part two of Scientific Method from a scientist. Hi, Josh 539 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: Chuck and Jerry J. E. R. I. I feel like 540 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm not getting her name right, So I'm sensing that 541 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: these scientists are um there. They don't feel good about 542 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: their spelling abilities, no, but they're doing a great job. 543 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: They are just her an episode on scientific Method and 544 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: want to say, you guys did a pretty good job 545 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: with it in its history. And I say this as 546 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: a practicing scientist. Uh. And he had a great long email, 547 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: but um, I'm gonna have to edit for content, but 548 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: he talks a little bit about the woes of current science. 549 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: He said, it is a problem that many young academics 550 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: spread about. The problems are real, but I want to 551 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: underscore the fact that in many ways it is a 552 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: golden age of science right now. So much good work 553 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: is getting done. It just happens to be a terrible 554 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: time to be a scientist. A more funding would help 555 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: alleviate some of the strain academia is under, but as 556 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: you point out, there's some systematic reforms that need to 557 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: happen as well, and many are discussing just what a 558 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: workable solution is. I have tried to stick as close 559 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: to the scientific method as possible in my career and 560 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: haven't been all that productive because of it. I'd rather 561 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: publish something solid than put something out there this potentially 562 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: wrong or flawed. Um. Being able to publish negative data 563 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: would be good. But even more to the point, science 564 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: almost works well as improv which is the yes and 565 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: approach where scientist proposes a hypothesis and supports it, and 566 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: another scientist picks it up and says, well, yes, if so, 567 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: then this should also be true as well, and extends 568 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: the original work, so he's a collaborator. The scientific method 569 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: is a huge part of our lives and needs to 570 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: be taught to all. I say we need more science literacy, 571 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: not more scientists, but it can be tricky. Science and 572 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: nature are truly amazing, and yet we're not willing or 573 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: able to support all those who'd want to make it 574 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: a career. He gives us the cheers. That is Ian 575 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: Street PhD. Nice job, you know, knows a great email. Yeah, 576 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: and good for you for sticking to the scientific method, 577 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: even to your detriment. Hang in there. I hope you 578 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: uh write a great paper one day that gets you 579 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: accolades and money with great spelling too. That's right. 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