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Speaker 2: There we go, day, Caitlin, We're back.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we are back. I know barely everybody, We barely

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Speaker 2: Where's the pope?

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Speaker 1: When are you coming back?

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, so I'll be

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Speaker 2: I don't oh no, going to be in that.

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Speaker 2: you love him. I do he's your favorite. Maybe really

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Speaker 1: So that that's another reason why you know, they do

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm willing if if an injury is a mental

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are money. These are human beings that people

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Speaker 2: But shout out to people who are talking about it

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Speaker 1: some of the players. Somebody asked me about Joe Contact

432
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Speaker 1: it's nice to see her back well and why, But

433
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Speaker 1: I say, she's a little bit like Muga Rutha in

434
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Speaker 1: some respects. The way she hits the ball, it's all

435
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Speaker 1: real flat, really sort of very deliberate with everything that

436
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Speaker 1: she does. So when the confidence is there, then she's

437
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Speaker 1: super accurate with everything, you know, groundie serving her confidence

438
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Speaker 1: is up, But when the confidence goes down, it's no

439
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Speaker 1: real game playing. Beasts a lot of feel to her game,

440
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Speaker 1: you know, sort of like Mugo Rutha, and she's on,

441
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Speaker 1: she's on, and they are similar in the way that

442
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Speaker 1: they play, I feel everything starts with the serve and

443
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,679
Speaker 1: then the ground is so But on the aspect of

444
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Speaker 1: having her back in finals and doing well, yay golf

445
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Speaker 1: clap for are because we need Nita out there and

446
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Speaker 1: she's a terrific plan and a great kid.

447
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Speaker 2: So it seems like a lovely person And actually maybe

448
00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,000
Speaker 2: this is wrong, but it seems like she managed to

449
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Speaker 2: pick up some steam from fed Cup. She yes came

450
00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,840
Speaker 2: a good point and Bolter and Swan and Heather Watson

451
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 2: one of my favorites. Like these guys dug deep and

452
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Speaker 2: kept great Britain in the world group with a pretty

453
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Speaker 2: gutsy win over Kazakhstan. Not a lot of people watch

454
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Speaker 2: fed Cup. I'm dropping like.

455
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Speaker 1: People don't realize how many play. It is a from Kazakhstan,

456
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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of transplants.

457
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Speaker 2: A lot of trens exactly put and save up namely,

458
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Speaker 2: but like what I loved about that is a team competition,

459
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Speaker 2: a sort of not widely viewed, at least not in

460
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Speaker 2: probably this country competition gives this kid some wind in

461
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Speaker 2: her sails, and then she gets back out there and

462
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Speaker 2: has sort of a resurgence this year. So I think

463
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Speaker 2: that's really cool. I mean, you could look at Djokovic

464
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Speaker 2: and Serbia's Davis Cup, you know, strong, strong showing as

465
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Speaker 2: the start of his streak where he like won every

466
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Speaker 2: what it was.

467
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Speaker 1: For another nolee slams. Yeahsion, It's amazing when you think

468
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 1: about the fact that we've got Rougher going for possible twelve,

469
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Speaker 1: You've got Novak going for a possible Nola Slam again,

470
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Speaker 1: and you've still got Roger up there competing the way

471
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Speaker 1: he is and winning, you know, one hundred titles in

472
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Speaker 1: Miami and then subsequently what he's done since. But it's

473
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Speaker 1: like we have the greatest period of men's tennis at

474
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Speaker 1: the same time. It's you've got three the three greatest

475
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Speaker 1: players of all time are playing at the same time.

476
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Speaker 1: I mean, men's tennis is really lucky. But FYI, they

477
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Speaker 1: will be They will be retiring soon, which brings me

478
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Speaker 1: to one of the next questions about when do you retire?

479
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Speaker 2: Retire?

480
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 1: What's the catalyst between all right, I'm hanging them up?

481
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Speaker 2: And the question was centered around Federer who's now thirty seven,

482
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Speaker 2: Venus who's thirty eight, thirty nine.

483
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Speaker 1: Thirty eight going on thirty nine, you know Serena. Serena's

484
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Speaker 1: obvious Shapov with her injuries, et cetera. When she's gonna retire.

485
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Speaker 2: What's your thought on that?

486
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's a little bit mixed back, to

487
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Speaker 1: be honest, a lot of it. You know, Roger's even

488
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Speaker 1: spoken about this physicality times. It's you know, the injuries

489
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Speaker 1: and it just becomes too much to get injured and

490
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Speaker 1: come back three or four months later, which is in

491
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Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of time for somebody who's in their

492
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Speaker 1: mid thirties. So it's like putting the work in to

493
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Speaker 1: get the rehab done, blah blah blah, particularly if you

494
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Speaker 1: have enough money to retire and never worry about it,

495
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Speaker 1: which a lot of these players obviously do. But and

496
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Speaker 1: then it's the mental side of it. You know. Chrisy

497
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Speaker 1: everas I spoke to her about it, and she said

498
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Speaker 1: that it was it was a lot more mental for her.

499
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Speaker 1: It was just emotionally, it was just too draining. Plus

500
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Speaker 1: she wanted her family and blah blah blah. So obviously

501
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: for women that some of it does come down to that,

502
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Speaker 1: like also when is it right to stop? And Casey

503
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 1: de Lac was talked about that, and she was playing

504
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Speaker 1: really well and doubles making a lot of money, and

505
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Speaker 1: you know that sets you up for your life, right,

506
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Speaker 1: And her girlfriend was like, oh, shure, you don't want

507
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Speaker 1: play a couple more years. Yeah, she was making very

508
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Speaker 1: good money. So that's a hard decision. But for me,

509
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Speaker 1: I was old, I mean relatively speaking, were you, I

510
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Speaker 1: would go back to thirty three? No, no, no, I

511
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Speaker 1: was at thirty nine. I think was the last Grand Slam,

512
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Speaker 1: and I think I stopped not long after that the

513
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Speaker 1: next year. Maybe I was thirty nine or forty. But

514
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Speaker 1: it's just just putting in the hard work. It's like

515
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Speaker 1: doing all the every day waking up and knowing you

516
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Speaker 1: have to go to the gym and go to practice,

517
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Speaker 1: and the ups and the downs, and the travel and

518
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Speaker 1: being away, and if you're really happy in your personal life,

519
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 1: do you want to travel? Can your partner travel? That

520
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: becomes hard as well. You know, do you have somebody

521
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Speaker 1: who's got a nine to five job that can't take

522
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Speaker 1: off and travel with you all the time. So I

523
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Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do with that.

524
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Speaker 1: It's sort of the men are pretty lucky because usually.

525
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they haven't accommodating woman.

526
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's so easy for a guy just to

527
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: hang it up and sort of travel with these women.

528
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: It's a bit of both.

529
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Speaker 2: I want to shout out to the gentleman Jonathan and

530
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: James who do a really fantastic podcast out of Toronto

531
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Speaker 2: called The Body Serve. It's the best tea serving podcaster

532
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: is out there. A lot of gossip, a lot of

533
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Speaker 2: heart takes. It's really great. I love it. And they

534
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 2: said something to me because I was like, oh god, yeah,

535
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,239
Speaker 2: venus man, why did she hanging it up? And they

536
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: were like, she loves it. You don't get to decide.

537
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: You don't get we don't get to decide when these

538
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Speaker 2: plays hang it up. If they are having the time

539
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: of their life out there, if they are finding the

540
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: motivation to do all those hard things that you just

541
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Speaker 2: talked about. I think if somebody likes Fetlana Kuznatz of

542
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: a Rate, got a couple of slams, made all the

543
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Speaker 2: money she needs, She's doing great. I mean, follow her

544
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 2: Instagram if you want to see somebody live in their

545
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: best life. She's in Italy right now.

546
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's not playing well.

547
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: She's not playing well, But you know what, who is it?

548
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: Who are we to decide that she shouldn't hang it

549
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: up if she can still get into tournaments and win them.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, I agreed.

551
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Speaker 2: So it changed my mind talking to those guys because

552
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, You're right, it's not

553
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 2: my decision if they can still play it.

554
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: Some people will go down, like someone like uh Lisa

555
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: Raymondois said, Look, if I'm not doing well, if I'm

556
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: not having the results I want, I don't want to

557
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: freaking do this anymore. Like I get that I've had

558
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Speaker 1: a standard of X, and I don't want to be

559
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 1: at AB. I want to be doing well. I want

560
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Speaker 1: to be win. If I don't feel like I contend, yeah,

561
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: that I can contend to win tournaments, I don't want

562
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: to play anymore. So there's some top players that have

563
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: had great success that really feel that way, and there's

564
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: some that just go like Venus, for example, who just

565
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: love it. They love playing, they love practicing, they love

566
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Speaker 1: having a purpose. I mean Roger's like that. Yeah, he

567
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: loves playing tennis, he loves the a duration, he loves

568
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: the no and look about.

569
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Speaker 2: It, Venus and Roger are still making Slam finals, you.

570
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Speaker 1: Know, like Serena is gonna be interesting for me for

571
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Speaker 1: the rest of this year and maybe next, you know

572
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: how much because she knows she's she's got this beautiful

573
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: baby with her all the time, and you know, she's

574
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Speaker 1: got a lot of interests outside of tennis now, which

575
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 1: he has always had. But I just you know, at

576
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Speaker 1: some point, for someone like Serena, for example, if she's

577
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Speaker 1: not winning the tournaments, that's the person that would be

578
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Speaker 1: like fuck this. Yeah, you know, like if I'm not

579
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Speaker 1: really contending. Obviously, look last year, two finals the Grand Slam,

580
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: so she's still contending. So yeah, I think that, well,

581
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: she's that type of For Venus, I think it's a

582
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: little bit less. But for Serena, she's not winning them

583
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Speaker 1: or getting the finals and really contending, that's when at

584
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: times she'll be like, Okay, I'm done. I don't need

585
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Speaker 1: to do I don't need to prove anything to anymore anymore.

586
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Speaker 2: While we were talking about Serena, and you mentioned Na

587
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Speaker 2: a little bit earlier, let's talk about fashion. This is

588
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Speaker 2: something that on my other tennis podcast that I record

589
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: very intermittently on the main draw.

590
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Speaker 1: And it was asked of us by a lot of

591
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Speaker 1: people on Twitter.

592
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Speaker 2: We talked about fashion. A lot of people want to

593
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Speaker 2: hear our take on fashion. I'm ready with some very blazing,

594
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Speaker 2: blazing takes. The Nike Kit, the sort of basic generic

595
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Speaker 2: Nike kit. Kyle Edmunds in it, born of korch Vika,

596
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: Daria Kasatkina.

597
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Speaker 1: Likes, that's right, look at my Parends.

598
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: Who doesn't love me? Caroline Garcia it's it's kind of

599
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: this like power clashing tool Nike black on white, kind

600
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Speaker 2: of weird pattern stuff. I love it. I think it's

601
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 2: really cool and weird and I'm here for it. It's

602
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: kind of a lot, but I like when the brands

603
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: do something a little crazy, and I think for the

604
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Speaker 2: most part they carried it off. Two notable Nike exceptions.

605
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Speaker 2: Holy shit, does Rafa look bad? What the f is

606
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: that outfit? The choose it's a nightmare. It's it's like

607
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 2: neon blue and yellow and there's some kind it looks

608
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: like an old Navy like knockoff bargain bin kit. And

609
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: then del Potrow also not they gave him some sort

610
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: of like the off brand kind of like there's a

611
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: brown in there and like a mustard yellow. No, just

612
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: everyone looks cool in that black on black just keep

613
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: it black on black. I think that's great. Two others Vetterer,

614
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: what so bad? He's he looks like a he looks

615
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Speaker 2: like a postal delivery man, but worse because I actually

616
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: think the US Postal service outfits are kind of cute,

617
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Speaker 2: not cute.

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Speaker 1: I could say I could see you walking around in that.

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Speaker 2: I thank you.

620
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Speaker 1: I'm wearing a short ones to die and it's like

621
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Speaker 1: it's like sixty five degrees.

622
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: It was a little colder that I anticipated, not my greatest.

623
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Speaker 2: And then the women's side, a lot of people, obviously

624
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: after last year's bodysuit watching What's Serena? This is the

625
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 2: Virgil Ablow sort of special kit. Do you think you

626
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: like it? Like it? You like it? You think it's kit?

627
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: I like the mesh a loot. Yeah.

628
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Speaker 1: And the couple of the feeler outfits. What's amazing the

629
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: feel is that they the companies just so everybody knows

630
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: that they don't pick this like two weeks ago, you know,

631
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: and go, oh that's cool, let's put them in there.

632
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: This has done years in events like for example, I

633
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: can tell you Carolina Pushkovers feel a kid. She knew

634
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: exactly what she was wearing in February this year, so

635
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: she'd already done her filming and her pictures in Miami

636
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: in February for her entire line for the year. So

637
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: the year is done, so you can't you know. So

638
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: everyone was like, oh, why are they? And and I

639
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are pissed off that, you know,

640
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: everyone's in the same gear. It's like, why don't they

641
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: have separate stuff for the players and when they're playing

642
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: against each other and they're in the same outfit. That's

643
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: the way it is. Kids, like, that's what they're trying

644
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: to sell that outfit in the stores. It's just so

645
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: happens that Nike.

646
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Speaker 2: The same things.

647
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Speaker 1: A lot of players bothers me lass Pam Shriver hates it.

648
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: A lot of people hate it.

649
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Speaker 1: She hates it.

650
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: Our friend Craig Shapiro, who hosts another really good podcast

651
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Speaker 2: Under Review, he hates it. I don't mind it as much.

652
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Speaker 2: I just mind the eye bleeding outfits. So to continue

653
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Speaker 2: on that note, the FILA shout out to our creative

654
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Speaker 2: director Danielle A Delpercio, who shot all those things with

655
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Speaker 2: with Kaya. I like, I think the FILA stuff looks

656
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Speaker 2: really great.

657
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Speaker 1: I think FILA has done a great job for me too.

658
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Speaker 2: I think it's really great. The Adida stuff I found

659
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Speaker 2: kind of bland.

660
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Speaker 1: Well, it's they're gentleman. I mean, don't take offense out there, No.

661
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Speaker 2: But listen, we're doing how they are speaking to your

662
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Speaker 2: point about knowing well. In Advance, Racket Magazine is doing

663
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Speaker 2: a capsule collection with Adidas Cool Tennis for you. Thank you.

664
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Speaker 2: I did us for the US Open twenty twenty. So

665
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Speaker 2: not only do we know exactly this points, I mean

666
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen all the fas.

667
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Speaker 1: Amazing how you'll twenty You'll turn up in the US

668
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Open twenty twenty and everyone will have the same color scheme.

669
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the fuck?

670
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Speaker 1: Did you guys all get together and go let's go

671
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: black and white?

672
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: Maybe they did? Maybe that.

673
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: Seriously, it's amazing how it happens. I'm like, what, everyone's

674
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Speaker 1: in fluo?

675
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: What you know?

676
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like it's like an NIX and

677
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: like it's like a watergate. Do they do? They have

678
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: like speakers and they're going, they're going fluoro happened Inlara.

679
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: It's neon this here. Everyone hold on to your hats. Yeah, yeah,

680
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Speaker 2: I kind of I don't say I don't think it's

681
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: a I think generally the Nike stuff is getting the

682
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: most buzz in a bad way. But I am here

683
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Speaker 2: to defend it because I think it's really good. Uniclo,

684
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's just a train wrapping what happened.

685
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Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I don't need fus. See.

686
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: There's some players, like a sharp over Serena Roger, I'm

687
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Speaker 1: sure in Nola to some extent, have a say in

688
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: what they've seen and giving it approval. So misters Federer

689
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Speaker 1: is quite the metrosexual.

690
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: Okay, that's kind of thing we say anymore. Now we say, like,

691
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: what do we say fashionable? Because everyone's mantrosexual? Now have

692
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: you noticed everyone's queer? Yeah, it's great.

693
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: Listen, Matt Ebden is not well no, actually no, not

694
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Speaker 1: Matt Adam. I'm thinking of Johnny Millman, you know. But listen,

695
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Speaker 1: here's the deal. He he would have some he's got

696
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Speaker 1: to have some say in what. I can't imagine he

697
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Speaker 1: put that on and went, yeah, Anna Winter would love this.

698
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: I mean, look Anna get involved.

699
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

700
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: True, he needed an intervention. He looks so.

701
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: Bad anyway, but he's still looking good.

702
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: Well, his game looks good.

703
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Speaker 1: Sure, all right, you know, just to really sort of

704
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: sidestep you here, it was nobody asked sex during tournaments.

705
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, hell, yeah, you have sex during tournaments.

706
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Speaker 2: I mean it depends.

707
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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example if oh, I'll give you

708
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Speaker 1: my example. But I'm just giving you examples in general.

709
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Speaker 1: If you win and you had sex, you were going

710
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Speaker 1: to have sex again because you want to win. It's all.

711
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: It's about winning. And if you won a tournament and

712
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Speaker 1: you didn't have sex that week, you are not having

713
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Speaker 1: sex ever again when you played tennis.

714
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Speaker 2: But I think what the question was getting at. Oh,

715
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Speaker 2: it's like, remember this headline from the UK papers way

716
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: long ago, because Boris Becker like failed to you know

717
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Speaker 2: where I'm going with this. I think I'd never forget it.

718
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Speaker 2: The headline was too much sex beats Big Boris because

719
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Speaker 2: the implication was that Boris Becker was and then we

720
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Speaker 2: all know that he did likes a cocktail waitress and

721
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Speaker 2: a flight attendant given to who he's you know, fathered.

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Speaker 1: But we love Boris.

723
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Speaker 2: I love Boris. I is a confirmed lesbian. I find

724
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Speaker 2: him like devastating.

725
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Speaker 1: You actually have to actly have told me that that's it's.

726
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Speaker 2: So strange He's very attractive to me. I mean, I'm

727
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Speaker 2: not the only one. Like women all over the world

728
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Speaker 2: if Lily Yeah, anyway, and I like his tasting women.

729
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: He's got great taste in women. You're typed totally anyway, Boris.

730
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Speaker 2: The headline was too much sex big Boris, meaning off

731
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Speaker 2: the court, he was partying, depleting his energy.

732
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Speaker 1: Mabe. I think what what it should have if he

733
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Speaker 1: was going out and party. I don't think the sex

734
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Speaker 1: was the problem. I think maybe he'd had a drink

735
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Speaker 1: or two.

736
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Speaker 2: The other thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, usually when you drink too much, it's not

738
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Speaker 1: so good for your tennis. Sex is definitely not It's

739
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: it can be a positive or negative. And as I said,

740
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Speaker 1: if if you do it and you win the next day,

741
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Speaker 1: clearly you or forever and ever say oh that's fine.

742
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, not to go too deep on this,

743
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Speaker 2: but the no of courss uh. The collegiate n Cuba

744
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: scene was especially at like big tournaments. It was sort

745
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Speaker 2: of like an orgy. I mean it was just like

746
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: what is going on, Like who's hooking up with hill offence?

747
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Speaker 1: But those are college players, you know.

748
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that everyone's like fit and board. You know,

749
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: we've got lots of time on her hands, and we're like,

750
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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: You're basically saying that that's.

752
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: It was fun, It was a good time.

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Speaker 1: You went to college I did not. Okay, there you

754
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: go that you've.

755
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: There was some a lot of downsides playing college tennis.

756
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: That was not one of them.

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Speaker 1: All right, So why don't tournaments show pre and postmatch

758
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: interviews was one question as well. And okay, so being

759
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Speaker 1: in television, I can tell you a lot of it

760
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: has to do with trying to get commercials in. So

761
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: sometimes producers or directors will producers will just say, look,

762
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Speaker 1: we've got to get some commercials in here. We don't

763
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Speaker 1: really care about the postmatch interview. Could be somebody you

764
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: know that's doing the interview that you don't want on

765
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Speaker 1: new television screen. Or there's lots of reasons. You know,

766
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: ESPN sometimes will be up against a hard out we

767
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Speaker 1: call it. So at six pm we've got to get

768
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Speaker 1: to Sports Center or whatever, and it's five point fifty nine.

769
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: We don't have time to show the postmatch interview or

770
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Speaker 1: the trophy ceremony. And you know, we get so much

771
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Speaker 1: shit when we don't show the trophy ceremony. Which I'm

772
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Speaker 1: also very against. And you watch a player play for

773
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Speaker 1: two and a half three hours and you want to

774
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Speaker 1: hear them talk after a match and thank their people.

775
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: But sometimes, you know, and as you know, Caitlin, and

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Speaker 1: live television or television schedules, you can't push them back.

777
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: So there's somebody that could be wanting that sports center

778
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Speaker 1: that doesn't give.

779
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: A shit like why is this starting five minutes.

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00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: Leah, So you know that's often the reason why.

781
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: But I will shout out the streaming services TC plus,

782
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: ESPN plus a lot of the tournaments, and the radio.

783
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: We don't talk a lot about the radio, but I

784
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: think the radio coverage does a lot great job. This

785
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: week you could be listening to Radio Rolangaros. They have

786
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Speaker 2: a lot of interviews with players. They cut to a

787
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: lot of the press conferences, so all the things I

788
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: just mentioned. They will oftentimes not only show you know,

789
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: the entirety of the match, including the post match interview,

790
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 2: but also they will show a lot of press conferences,

791
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Speaker 2: which I think is really interesting. I mean, know, we

792
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: watched Lebron in press conferences, we watch basketball, we watch

793
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: a lot of other stuff Like I think it could

794
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: and should be part of the culture where we're getting

795
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: to hear what the players think, because I think it's

796
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: totally fascinating. Great. Great.

797
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Speaker 1: One of the other questions was sometimes about, you know,

798
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Speaker 1: the TV's getting so good now, you know with HD

799
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Speaker 1: five G you can.

800
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Speaker 2: See someone's like black heads.

801
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Speaker 1: It's not a joke. Actually, I was told one time

802
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: when I started doing television, and remember everybody where your

803
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: makeup because it's HD, dv FYI, you can see every

804
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: freckle on your face.

805
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: So you know.

806
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: One of the things was what about the camera angles

807
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: and how does that happen? I can tell you there's

808
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: sometimes where people build a center court or a stadium

809
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: and they don't think about where the fuck they're going

810
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: to put the cameras. Oh, I can tell you can

811
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: access which ones and I don't want to get into

812
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: who exactly, but you guys know when you're watching television

813
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: and you're watching tennis and you're like, Jesus Christ, this

814
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: camera is so far away from the court. Yeah, didn't

815
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: think about that, did they when they decided to build

816
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: the stadium. So they're ding dongs, and you know, an

817
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: ESPN will go and they'll do an on site check before.

818
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: So when they're building a stadium that they'll actually ESPN

819
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Speaker 1: will go or whoever's covering the tournament for whomever, will

820
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 1: go and say, yeah, this is a great spot here,

821
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Speaker 1: this is good, this is what the angle we want.

822
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's too close, sometimes too far away. But

823
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Speaker 1: boy or boy, when you make in a stadium people,

824
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: you've got to think about that.

825
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: A lot of them on TV are too high, so bad.

826
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Speaker 2: And the thing that I love and ESPN does is

827
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Speaker 2: a lot which I really appreciate, is they put the

828
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Speaker 2: camera or at least cut to the one angle where

829
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Speaker 2: it's behind one of the players, and even though you

830
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: can only really see one of the players and sort

831
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: of in the far distance the other player, you get

832
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: to see the speed of the court, and you get

833
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: to see the size of the court. I think that

834
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: camera angle is underused. I've been saying it for years

835
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: because I really passionately believe in it, and I think

836
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: it does the closest to taking people at home into

837
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 2: the sort of tournament experience it does.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a lover of that angle. I love it,

839
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: but you know, that's a perfect example of why it's

840
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: really important to show different angles. Yeah, when you're showing

841
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: tennis because some people like it and some people don't.

842
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: I also just think having the variety gets you to

843
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: understand sort of both the size of the court, but also,

844
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: you know, gives you a I think tennis is one

845
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: of those sports. It's much better in person, and I

846
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: think the better we can do to show it on TV,

847
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: the more fans it'll have.

848
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: So we're at the we're talking during the French Open.

849
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: What do you think about the Sunday starts of the

850
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: Grand Slams?

851
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: I like them. I like them. It's a full day

852
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: of weekend tennis that I can watch on my lapt

853
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: at the tournament. I think it's great. Yeah, so do

854
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: the players not like it? Is there any reason? Other Germans? So?

855
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: I think a lot of players there's a bit of

856
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: a pushback because it just feels like, oh shit, you know,

857
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: we're having to start this earlier than you're coming from

858
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: another tournament. So that's where it gets a little bit difficult.

859
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: I personally would rather than just start on Monday, but

860
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: as you said, you know, monetarily, like Wimbledon's never going

861
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: to change, It'll start on Monday, but they don't have Sunday,

862
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: which they're taking away a weekend day. Isn't that interested

863
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: it is?

864
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: You know they have the middle Sunday. They don't they're famous.

865
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: Do you know how much players love that? I mean,

866
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: you have no idea how much players appreciate that extra

867
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: day of just kind of like being able to switch

868
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: it off, because you don't switch You don't switch off,

869
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: even even if you're in the tournament. But boy, for

870
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: an hour or two, you can maybe switch off more

871
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: than you can in another Grand Slam, and it's just

872
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: that beautiful, wonderful Sunday, which is usually a really pretty day,

873
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: and you just relax. You know, we appreciate as journalists.

874
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: I can tell you that you were telling me that

875
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: Racket magazine we usually have a party in London. I'm

876
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 2: still trying to figure out what we're going to do

877
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 2: this here, and you really send in your suggestions, send

878
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: in your suggestions. You said you should do it on

879
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: middle Saturday because everyone will come and get hammered. I

880
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: was like, well, that's the spirit I meant it.

881
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: I was like, the players out of the tournament will

882
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: come and get hammered. Great, but the ones in the

883
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: tournament will probably stay a little bit more.

884
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: Well, listen, and it curious came to our last party

885
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: and he was in the tournament before he was out

886
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: of the tournament. Well, so we all know that shout

887
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: out to him.

888
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: That's shout out to Nikki. Yeah, okay, we love nick

889
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: I do listen. There are parts of him that I

890
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: wish would change, but overall, he's great for the game,

891
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: just getting shit together. When are we going to let

892
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: let's in? I want let's to be played. We've had

893
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: this discussion. I want to see let's play.

894
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: What do you find that they do in college?

895
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: I think simple? Okay. A lot of people want to

896
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: know about the coaching changes over this year, and we've

897
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: seen a lot, particularly the women's game, the men's.

898
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: We're talking when FA set, we're talking.

899
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: Uh Kamal Murray, Murray Stevens. Yeah, yeah, there's been a

900
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: lot of Listen, here's the deal with coaching.

901
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: It's it's tough. It's like a marriage. It's like a relationship.

902
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: You know, if you lose a match, for example, or

903
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to blame on somebody, Yes, that's

904
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: often the coach, you know, or sometimes I just give

905
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: you a shitty game plan it didn't work, or sometimes

906
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: you get on the practice court you don't really like

907
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: what they're practicing with you.

908
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 2: Or sometimes the coaches ask for a ton more money,

909
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: which I think is what apparently happened with Sashabajen and

910
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 2: which is apparently I've heard that the Sashabaijen namios Haka

911
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: thing was partly because of money. Wow.

912
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: Interesting, I did not know that, And I can tell you,

913
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of gossip obviously because

914
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: I know a few people out there. Look, the bottom

915
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: line is that, you know, relationships are won and done

916
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: is sometimes, you know, and coaching is just the same.

917
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: It's like it's not easy. Sometimes, as you said, money

918
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: becomes a part of the equation, as it often does,

919
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: and I can give you a couple of people like that.

920
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: But others it's like the coaches is done with the

921
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: player too. I mean, somebody tweeted, you know, I can't

922
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: believe somebody hasn't worked on ostapenkos surf. She just double

923
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: fault of sixteen times French Open first round and sixteen sixteen,

924
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: well I think it was sixteen. And you know, how

925
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: can you not work on her? Serve as a coach.

926
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, just let slipped that around for a second. Okay,

927
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: there is a possibility that the players a freaking pain

928
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: in the arse and doesn't want to change anything as well.

929
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't been on the court with her, you.

930
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 2: Know, but it's not only the.

931
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: Coach being the easiest personal work.

932
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: Well, she seems like she's got some strong opinions.

933
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, sometimes it's about the player. If

934
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: they don't want to change it, then they're not going

935
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: to change it, And under pressure, they'll always go back

936
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: to what.

937
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: Was is most comfortable. And you know, in some cases

938
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: with coaching, it's logistics.

939
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it's well for with me and Plushkova for example,

940
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: I mean it was tough. You know, I worked full

941
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: time with ESPN at the Grand Slams, and you know,

942
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: she wanted a little bit more sort of continuity. And

943
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: when I brought Conchetah onto the into the team last

944
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: US Open, you know, CONTI was a lot more available,

945
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, So it's just like made a little bit

946
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: more sense for Carolina to keep her on board on

947
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: a full time basis, and so it was, you know,

948
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: then I was able to sort of let her go

949
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, but I mean she's done very well done,

950
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, and she's definitely for me, she's studying to

951
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: look like the favorite of the French. I mean, you know,

952
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: Rome is always an indicator for me who will win

953
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: the French Open if it's a competitive field, which it

954
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: was in Rome. So for me, you know, that's why

955
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: Rafa and plischkover now. I mean, I did you know

956
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: hall Ups still my slight favorite at the French is

957
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: because she's so good when she gets her teeth into

958
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: the French Open, She's so good on the clay, and

959
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: she suffered such a tough out. But you know, Caroline

960
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: has the weapons and she can beat anyone, so you know,

961
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. And Conchi is a great influence and

962
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: I think the thing that was passed on to her

963
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: by myself and now the baton's been taken from Conchitita's

964
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: passion for the game, you know, run for the balls,

965
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: get after it, fight and she's won a lot of

966
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: matches in the last seven months. She's three sets, very

967
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: good in three sets, losing the first set, and that

968
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: is something that she didn't really have before, was that.

969
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: I mean, she always had desire and fight, but now

970
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: I think the desire in the fight has ratcheted.

971
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: Up finding that extra gear.

972
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go. So sometimes it's a little

973
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: bit of logistics, sometimes it's money, and sometimes it's just

974
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: you know what, you just need to go.

975
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just a change sometimes. All right, we

976
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: got only a few minutes left, So what are the

977
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: more a sort of tantalizing questions that we've got from readers,

978
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: And again, thank you guys so much for sending years,

979
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: and we'll try to do this on a periodic basis

980
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: because it's fun for us to obviously opine.

981
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: Somebody asked about Wassniyaki. I'm having to deal with the

982
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's a bit, it's a nightmare, and

983
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: she's struggling and she's obviously over the last few years

984
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: has really had to deal with a lot of injuries,

985
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: particularly to her knee. But you know, this is just

986
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: an ongoing situation for her. And I think that here's

987
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: a perfect example when when to retire. Yeah right, I mean,

988
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: she's a great player who wanted has run a tremendous

989
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: amount of tournaments, who's now engaged, obviously thinking about having

990
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: a family, getting married, and she's not having the success

991
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: that she's used to and dealing with injuries at the

992
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: same time, it's kind of like, fuck this, this is

993
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: too hard, you know, and it's disappointing and you and

994
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: she practices and works out so hard and so much

995
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: that at some point it's like, Okay, it's just getting

996
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: too much now for me, and it's sad, and so listen,

997
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: let's hope that she has a better back half of

998
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: this year, because she deserves that. Is such a great

999
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: ambassador for women's tennis, and you know, hopefully she sticks

1000
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: around for a lot longer because she's such a great name.

1001
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: But you know, at the same time, she's also a

1002
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: friend of mine. I want her to be happy, so

1003
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: if it means stopping and you know, getting on with

1004
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: their life. And she's got a nice little pad.

1005
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: Here in New York, Yeah a lot, Carolyn, where's my

1006
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: invoy to the rioftop cocktail party?

1007
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's work on that.

1008
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: Maybe for her retirement, Maybe for her retirement party. And

1009
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: also I want to see Francesca Skivane a little bit

1010
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 2: more on corner, loving loving that she's coaching.

1011
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: I don't know how much he's going to be around

1012
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: now once she's on the grass and et cetera. But

1013
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: we'll see. But it's nice to see more women coaches.

1014
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: You know, the players are now starting to go oh

1015
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 1: oh they ah, they can think they've got actually pretty

1016
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: good ideas.

1017
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: So it turns out their vaginas don't get in the

1018
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: way of their brains a little bit thought.

1019
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's nice to see that.

1020
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: I read this amazing story. I'm going to get her

1021
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 2: name wrong, but the sixteen year old who just want

1022
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: to sort of wildcoach first round match one handed backhand,

1023
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: and people are asking her as we you know, we

1024
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: love one handed back through amazing podcast, Uh we were.

1025
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: A friend of mine was like, oh, do you see

1026
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: the scroad you see your match? I was like no,

1027
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: But turns out she has one handed backhand, and she goes, yeah,

1028
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: Emily Moresmo taught me this backhand. Why would I listen

1029
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: to anybody else?

1030
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: Yes, love that. Come on, I'm doing a high five, like, oh, I'm.

1031
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: Doing it for a feederer, I'm doing it because of Pizzanber's.

1032
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: It's like, no, Amalie Moresmo, Yeah.

1033
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: Come on, love it. There was no better more beautiful

1034
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: other than Justine. Justin Justine's one hand.

1035
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: It was not it was the prettiest bat one no, no, no,

1036
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: agree to disagree.

1037
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, but and I'll get shipped from people,

1038
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: they'll tweet me. But it was a it was a

1039
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: little hectic that one hander. Okay, it was a little

1040
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: head flowing, like twisting all over the place.

1041
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: It was like Richa's gascades. It's a long, flowing straight.

1042
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: It was not that flowy. It was a little discombobulated

1043
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: and a little bit it was an unbelievable one hander.

1044
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: But when we're talking beauty of the one hander, like

1045
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: just the flowing one hander Maresmo Suarez Navarrovara, Okay, I

1046
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: mean round here, Francesca Us a little bit more like

1047
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: like muscled, you know, And that's the same as and

1048
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: then it's a little bit mustly. Now I had a

1049
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: lovely one handy. That's what you're supposed to come in.

1050
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: It's just beautiful.

1051
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: You're so beautiful, and yours it's beautiful. And you also

1052
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: did some really nice re engineering on mine. Thank you

1053
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: for them. It needed all right, Okay, well just take

1054
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: the compliment.

1055
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: It's good. It's good.

1056
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: Speaking of dicks, my favorite thing. We were talking a

1057
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: little bit earlier about.

1058
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: Your favorite saying, actually, bago.

1059
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: Dits bag of dicks, eat bag of dicks. Oh god,

1060
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: it's discussing. That's why it's a good insult one thing

1061
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: that I loved Courtney. And when our friend w t

1062
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: Insider Racket magazine contributing editor, she was talking about how

1063
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: shitty it is that not only do these female athletes

1064
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: get all these abuse about having a bad day and

1065
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: an off day, but really we don't talk about like menstruation,

1066
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: that's what we want to Oh my god, periods are

1067
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: a fucking nightmare. If guys had periods, you guys would

1068
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: be in the hospital. You'd be crying, You'd be getting

1069
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: like IV's, you'd be getting medicine. We'd have like national holidays.

1070
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: I mean, this shit is real and it's raw. I

1071
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: got into a fight with my college tennis coach, one

1072
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: of the worst coaches I've ever played under, by the way,

1073
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: what's his name, Blake Sturkey. What a terrible coach he was.

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00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: He truly dick And I remember one time saying, oh

1075
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: my god, you look, I'm really having a rough day,

1076
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: Like I have such a bad period, like I can't play.

1077
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: I think we wouldn't still watter Oklahoma playing Oklahoma State

1078
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: or something like that, and he turns to me and

1079
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: he goes, gross, can you not talk about that? I

1080
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: was like, listen, you're the coach of a women's tennis

1081
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: team with a charge of being managing ten girls between

1082
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: the ages of eighteen.

1083
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Periods.

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00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: You can't handle the fact that I'm talking about my period.

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00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: I wasn't saying like anything horrifically offens. It's not a

1086
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: lot different than I was saying, like, oh man, I

1087
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: twisted my ankle and I'm really having a rough time, Like, hey,

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00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: can you.

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00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: See any say, hey, my uters is falling out?

1090
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: That's how it feels something I said something closer to that, actually,

1091
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: But but look, can we not have a conversation about

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00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: our periods?

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00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: Like, let's have a conversation about it, because I can

1094
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: tell you for a fact that my first ever Olympics

1095
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: very excited. My best ever chance to win a medal

1096
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: at the Olympics was definitely the I was playing doubles

1097
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: with Nicole Bradkey, I'd lost my singles and I was

1098
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: getting ready to go and play for my first round

1099
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: and cramps just all of a sudden. I was like,

1100
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, I feel so terrible. Oh wow. You know,

1101
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: everybody out there who's a woman's going, oh, I know

1102
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: how you feel. Yeah, And it got worse and worse

1103
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: and worse. I was on the next minute, you know,

1104
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: twenty minutes later, I'm on the ground. I'm just riling

1105
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: in pain. I mean, it's just so terrible and so

1106
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: the first time that had ever really happened to me.

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00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: It's happened subsequently like ten times since then, where it's

1108
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: gotten so bad where I wanted to die. But I

1109
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: was literally on the I was throwing up. My doubles

1110
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: partner calls like, oh my god, are you okay, and

1111
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: I'm like no, We got called to go and play

1112
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: our match and I couldn't play. I couldn't play my

1113
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: first round of the Olympics.

1114
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 2: An Olympic match.

1115
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: I was rushed to the hospital. I was in so

1116
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: much pain. Finally they gave me. They couldn't give me

1117
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: anything at the courts because the drug policies at the Olympics.

1118
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: Had to go to the Olympic Drug at the Olympic Hospital,

1119
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: which was a forty minute drive, as you can imagine

1120
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: how terrible that was. And finally they gave me some

1121
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: like valium or something just calm me down, lacks me,

1122
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: I work up. It felt like it been hit by

1123
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: a truck, literally, and you know that happened. Immediately after that,

1124
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: I went to my gynecologist and I said, listen, I

1125
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck you can do about this,

1126
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: because I'm a woman. This isn't changing, but you need

1127
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: to help me here because this can never happen to

1128
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: me again. I could be walking under a goddamn Grand

1129
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: Slam final and that could have happened. And I said,

1130
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: I cannot have that. I cannot afford for that to happen.

1131
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: And so you know, I went on the pill, and

1132
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: you know it certainly helped in that regard, and a

1133
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: lot of players are on it because of it, and

1134
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: I know a lot of obviously a lot of lesbian

1135
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: players are on it. And it's not like we I'm

1136
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: worrying about getting pregnant, but this was just a regular

1137
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: monitor and regulate and also keep the pain down.

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00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: Well, Courtney was saying, not only should we be like

1139
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: super mindful about like all the stuff that's going on,

1140
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: you know, out with women's bodies in particular that we

1141
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 2: don't know about who are professional athletes of our sports,

1142
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: but also the lack of empathy or the sort of

1143
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: like you know from male checking in being like, hey,

1144
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: how come bad could it be? And your response, I

1145
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: thought was the most perfect thing.

1146
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: How about this, guys, I'm gonna kick you in the dick? Okay,

1147
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: once a month for four days.

1148
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, dick kicks.

1149
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: Like once one one, one time a day for four days.

1150
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: Na too, Let's do two days, because it's always two

1151
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: days that are just horrendous for all of us. Yeah,

1152
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: it's like two days of out month every every month

1153
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: is just ruined. Okay, So for two days every month,

1154
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick you in the dick. And let's see

1155
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: how you feel about that.

1156
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: We've got a fever and the only prescription is dick kicks.

1157
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: It's so true, It's true. But you know we've had this.

1158
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: I've had this conversation with Andrew PEKOVICI also, you know,

1159
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: struggles with a little Sam Stoza. I mean, I'm just

1160
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: like outing everybody's bad periods. But another thing is I

1161
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: had a problem one time we had to pull out

1162
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: of I think I got through the match, but I

1163
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: had such terrible back pain that I like it seized

1164
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: up on me and I couldn't work out why, and

1165
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: it didn't happen to me very often. And you know,

1166
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: I think I got through the match, but I realized

1167
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: that it was the next day was my period, and

1168
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: so every time I lower back got super tight and

1169
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: that I knew. Yeah, and you know, also I had

1170
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: back problems because of it. So yeah, let's let's bring

1171
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: it out there and talk about because it happens all

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00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: the time. People.

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00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: Well, this is just the kind of don't be a dick, dick,

1174
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: don't be a dick. This is kind of refreshing. Honestly,

1175
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna get on this second season of the Racket

1176
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: Magazine podcast. We have some insanely good interviews. We're going

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Speaker 2: to do it through the tour finals like we did

1178
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 2: last year, and then we'll take another break and collect

1179
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: more stories. I'm super excited to get to some of

1180
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Speaker 2: these interviews. Keep sending in your questions. Thank you guys

1181
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: so much for your fere A couple we didn't we

1182
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: didn't get we didn't get to all of them, but

1183
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: we'll we'll try to work them into upcoming episodes because

1184
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: we love talking to you guys. Obviously, we have opinions.

1185
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: We definitely have opinions.

1186
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: All right. On that note, Renee, it's lovely to be

1187
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: back in studio with you. You guys, stay tuned. This

1188
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: season is gonna mel your face.

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00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: Thanks, guys, We love.

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Speaker 2: And that's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine Podcast.

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