1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: The volume. This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What 2 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: is up straight Fire Vamp. It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: Fire for Thursday, July twenty At the weekend's nearly here, 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: we got gigantic news from Saquon Barkley. Boy. There was 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: a report recently that he was willing to sit out 6 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: week one, and now Saquon's gone on the record, maybe 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: I sit out the season. We'll talk about that shortly. 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: In addition to that, this Joel Embiid stuff. We didn't 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: get to get to it earlier this week because you know, 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: we had some interesting guests. This Embiid stuff is real. 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: I know he's trying to play it off, is not 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: that real? Rob G has a like incendiary take, takes 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: so hot it will probably melt your phone. I don't 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: know that I love the take, but it's definitely worth discussing. 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: Get to that, but we gotta start with Saquon Barkley 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: because Saquon Barkley went on something called The Money Matters Podcast. 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read the exact quote for you, The Money 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: Matters Podcast and admitting he's willing to sit out the 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: entire twenty twenty three season. My leverage is I could 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: say f you to the Giants. I could say f 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: you to my teammates and be like, you want to 22 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: show me what my worth is? You want to show 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: me how you want me to show you how valuable 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: I am to the team. I won't show up. I 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: won't play it down. And that's a play I could use. 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: Anybody who knows me knows that's not something I want 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: to do. Is it something that's crossed my mind? I 28 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: never thought I would ever do that, But now I'm 29 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: at the point where I'm like, Jesus, I might have 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: to take it to this level. Am I prepared to 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: take it to this level? I don't know. Now some 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: people will say, well, that's a veiled threat, and that's 33 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: fair talk. Is cheap actions matter, right, let me see 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: you sit out the whole season. We've seen what happens 35 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: when you sit out. Example one a Le'Veon Bell and 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: the story it didn't work out well, and Saqua's a 37 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: little younger than him. But in the running Back world 38 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: where by the time you're twenty eight, your kind of 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: sort of we don't know what the future holds, and 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: if you want to doubt me on twenty eight, go 41 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: ahead and asks Zeke Elliott, Kareem Hunt, learn Fournette, who's 42 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: now talking to the Patriots who they're trying to get 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: on the cheap like? Twenty eight seems to be the 44 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: new thirty. Todd Gurley didn't even make it to twenty 45 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: eight given his injury history, and Saquon does have, unfortunately 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: a rich injury history. He basically missed all of twenty 47 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: twenty and chunks of twenty twenty one. But when healthy, 48 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: last year, Saquon Barkley over sixteen hundred yards from scrimmage, 49 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: fifty seven catches, ten rushing touchdowns. I mean, I don't 50 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: want to say he was the offense, but anybody with 51 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: a brain, even Giants fans who hate me, will readily admit. 52 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: When Saquon's healthy and Daniel Jones is under the tutelage 53 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: of Dayble and not turning the ball over at a 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: ridiculous clip, Sakon Barkley is one of the most valuable 55 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: running backs in the league. Now, the counter is, well, 56 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: what happens when he's paid ridiculous amounts of money? How 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: valuable is he? Then? Jay? And the answer is less valuable. Now. 58 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: The problem, of course is you pay Daniel Jones. And 59 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: I keep coming back to this and Rob you probably agree, 60 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: but it's possible you don't. And Randy Mueller just refused 61 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: to accept this yesterday. The reality is the Giants botched 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: this entire Sequon Barkley ordeal. They totally blew it. Last year. Okay, 63 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: last year the Giant said, ooh, Daniel Jones heading into 64 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: end of his rookie deal, we don't really love him, 65 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: We're not going to pick up his option. Then he 66 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: has one of those years that you have when you're 67 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: in a contract year, you know, the seized part, and 68 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is suddenly like, not an awful quarterback, not 69 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: a turnover machine. And the Giants make it to the playoffs, 70 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: wo win a round. Obviously new coach and Dabole and 71 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley. At that point you could say, hmmm, Dj, 72 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: that what I saw. Hate to do this to you, bro, 73 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: but one year not totally sold us. We're gonna tag you, 74 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: franchise tag. You make a lot of money. I think 75 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: it was thirty thirty one million somewhere in that neighborhood 76 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: for quarterbacks, and hey, we'll put you on the tag 77 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: and show as you could do it again. We trust you, will, 78 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: you believe in you. You're our guy. And that's when 79 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: you would have moved to sign Sake one to some 80 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: sort of two plus one two plus You know, I 81 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: don't know that this is possible. But the Chris Paul deal, 82 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: the way it was structured in the NBA, Obviously NBA 83 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: NFL are different. Chris Paul had a player option, uh 84 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: for a or No, it wasn't a player option. It 85 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: was not a fully guaranteed final year. It was like 86 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: half the guarantee. Well, that made him easy to move. 87 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: His other years are fully guaranteed too. Obviously, you want 88 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: to front load Saque's contract, and I'm sure the Giants 89 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: tried to do that. But I've got no problem saying, 90 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: listen to plus one in that neighborhood, Saquon, we want 91 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: to give you a lot of money upfront. We trust you, 92 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: we believe in you, stay healthy, you're our guy, and 93 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: you've got Danny Dimes on the franchise. That would have 94 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: been what the Giant should have done. They did it backwards. Now, 95 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: they tried to negotiate with Barkley. It failed. He you know, 96 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: depending on who you talk to, what numbers, you believe 97 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: he probably should have taken that early deal. Then they 98 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: said Daniel Jones, what would you like? And Daniel Jones 99 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: and I'm told his father was the one pushing for 100 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: forty mil Like he went to agents and said, we 101 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: think we can get forty million, and some of them 102 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: are like, ooh. And if you do the homework, you'll 103 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: see Daniel Jones changed agents. He got his wish or 104 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: close to it. He got nearly forty mili insane money, 105 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: and now Saquon Barkley's unhappy and threatening to sit out 106 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: the entire season. I said it yesterday, I said on 107 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: the Herd. If Saquon Barkley is not in the offense, 108 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: I don't care what you think Waller does. There's no 109 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: way there when they're not sniffing the playoffs with Saquon 110 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: Barkley sitting out the season. I personally don't think Barkley 111 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: would sit out the season. He seems like a kind 112 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: of a nice guy, a good teammate. He's said all 113 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: the right things through this process. Rob I want to 114 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: say I support him in this, but for his long 115 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: term status in the league and getting contracts and getting paid, 116 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. That it's the best idea. 117 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: In the world. Yeah, thousand percent agree with you. And 118 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: here's the thing about Look, I agree with the sentiment 119 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: that in order for these running backs to get what 120 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: they feel like they're worth, someone's got to do something 121 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: very extreme. I think that the only way you're gonna 122 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: get change in this situation is if somebody like a 123 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: sa Kwon Barkley, someone that's like the top of the top, 124 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: uses whatever leverage he has and takes a firm stand 125 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 2: and saying, I will not accept this ten million dollar contract. 126 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 2: I think that's the only way it's ever gonna happen. 127 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: Having said that, the idea of sitting out the entire 128 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: season would be a mistake because not only would he 129 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 2: lose the ten million dollars that he would have made 130 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: this upcoming season in order for him to get the 131 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: twenty two point five million in guaranteed money that he 132 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: was reportedly looking for in this deal that wasn't able 133 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: to come to pass because that's what he would have 134 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: been on the franchise this year, and then the following 135 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: year twenty three twenty four would have been twenty two 136 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: and a half million guaranteed. So in order for him 137 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: to get that twenty two and a half and make 138 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: up the ten million that he's missing this season, his 139 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: next contract would have to be thirty two and a 140 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: half million guaranteed. Like there is zero point zero, zero 141 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: zero chance that he is getting thirty two and a 142 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: half million guaranteed after sitting out an entire season. It's 143 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: not happening. 144 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to feel like a hater toward running backs, 145 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: but the reality isn't a lot of people have outlined 146 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: this is you play him on the rookie deal, you 147 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: grind him to the bone, and then you know your 148 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: franchise tag them get one extra year, and then you 149 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: cut them loose. And that in that world, no running 150 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: back is making it to a lucrative second contract. There 151 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: are worlds where Austin Eckler is not on the Chargers 152 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: next year, and I would have to say the probability 153 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: of that happening is extremely high. Justin Herbert is angling 154 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: for a new deal as well, he should. He's a 155 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Christian McCaffrey got a big deal because Carolina 156 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: didn't have a quarterback, and then McCaffrey got hurt, and 157 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: then what do they do this second they realized that 158 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: this deal is bad for them, they ship him to 159 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: San Fran. Why does McCaffrey work in San Fran. Well, 160 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: not only could he catch his passes, because they've got 161 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: a quarterback on a rookie deal. So ultimately, maybe the 162 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: Giants can offload Barkley. I can't imagine they do that. 163 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: I personally think the Raiders with Josh Jacobs, your Raiders, 164 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: Robb gi I think they're making a mistake here. Garoppolo 165 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: is not one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the league, 166 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: right and you could be could be bad enough that 167 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: you're in the mix for a top five pick and 168 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: then a rookie quarterback. Arooie quarterback you want, you want 169 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback handing off to one of the top running 170 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: backs in the league. And that's what Desmond Ritter had, 171 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: or we'll have with b John Robinson who they drafted 172 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: in the top ten, and whether it's Caleb Wilson, Drake May, 173 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: Michael Pennox, whoever you want to put to the Raiders 174 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: having Josh Jacobs come on, rob listen, Josh Jacobs is 175 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: one of the top backs in the league. Durability might 176 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: be a question. Same with Saquon because these guys take 177 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: a pounding. But I don't know, I just I find 178 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: it very odd that these teams can't just simply figure 179 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: it out. Yeah. 180 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 2: Well, you know what's funny about the Josh Jacobs thing 181 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: is I was of the belief, and I may have 182 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: said on this podcast that I thought this was going 183 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 2: to be his last year. The last year that happened, 184 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 2: that was gonna be his last year with the club. 185 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: They drafted a kid, I believe, out of Georgia in 186 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: the fourth round, expecting that he was going to be 187 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: the franchise guy after last season heading into the twenty 188 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: three season, and that was why it was a big hullablue. 189 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: I don't if you recall, Josh Jacobs played in the 190 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: final preseason game. Got a lot of reps in that 191 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: first like a quarter and a half because though all 192 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 2: the other starters were rested, Derek Carr was resting, Devonte 193 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: Adams was resting, Max kros was resting. They're like, hey, 194 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: we don't even know if Josh Jacobs is going to 195 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: be on our team after this season, so we have 196 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: no issue running him into the ground in the preseason 197 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: just to see, you know, what he's got. So the 198 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: Seeds have been planning for Josh Jacobs going back over 199 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: a year that he was going to be out of town. 200 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: So he kind of changed that calculus a little bit 201 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: with the great season that he had. But I don't 202 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: think the Raiders ever had any intention of giving him 203 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: a serious offer this past offseason. I don't think that 204 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: they even expect him to be on the team quite frankly, 205 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: so this situation, to me is different than Saquan. 206 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: It's weird. The only advice I would say is if 207 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: you are a running back. Let's say you're a tenth 208 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: grader and you are in some of these like summer camps, 209 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: and you're one of the most highly rated prospects and 210 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: you've got offers coming in, I'll just say this, you 211 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: better start working on catching significantly, and you know you've 212 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: got to be a multipurpose running back to enhance your value. 213 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: Because we haven't really talked about Derek Henry, and he's 214 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: gone online and kind of defended his running back brethren, 215 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: I'll just say this, the Titans, you know this, They 216 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: ran him into the ground. I know that some of 217 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: it was he wanted the record. There was some record 218 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: that he was setting. I don't know if it was 219 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: touchdowns or yards and whatever it was. He set a 220 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: record and then they got the number one seed and oh, 221 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: by the way, he gets injured the next year because 222 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: they're just driving him out of their ground. Well, this 223 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: is probably the final year for Tannehill and Tennessee. They 224 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: just signed DeAndre Hopkins. Rabel's kind of pushing all his 225 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: chips in. It seems to me like this is the 226 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: last run for that offensive unit in Tennessee. They had 227 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: AJ Brown and Derrick Henry and Tannehiller was working great 228 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: and then they made a dumb move with AJ Brown. 229 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: Tannehill's kind of near the end, and Derrick Henry. He 230 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: don't have that much left in the tank. Now he's 231 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: a different animal, right, rob I mean, he's still an 232 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: unbelievable beast. You see guys like Nick Chubb on social 233 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: media squatting like six hundred and fifty pounds, Like Derrick 234 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: Henry is one of these guys who feels like robotic. 235 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: He feels like terminator too. You just can't really slow 236 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: him down. But I'm it is weird. Remember last summer, 237 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: all the to steal your word because it's so good 238 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: hullabaloo was around quarterbacks. Matt Ryan going to Indy. That 239 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: was a big deal at the time. I know people 240 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: want to scoff at it. And he's going to the 241 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: booth out. That was a big deal at the time. 242 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson to Denver and there was one more rob 243 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: quarterback in a new place, Russell Wilson Matt Ryan. The 244 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: year before it was Matt Stafford. Anyways, I'm spacing on 245 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: who it is. 246 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: I am spacing, don't Carson Wentz. 247 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is in there, but he would know there 248 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: was another big one, wasn't there. Carson Wentz was kind 249 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: of a big deal to Washington. At any rate, they 250 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: were the story quarterbacks and new places last year. This 251 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: year it's running backs not getting paid. Next year, We'll 252 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: see what happened next year. Let's pivot to the NBA 253 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: and the Joel Embiid statement he made on stage. Was 254 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: it to Rich Paul Mavericarter one of those guys, and 255 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: he said, I would love to win a title, whether 256 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: it's in Philadelphia or somewhere else, like that's my goal. 257 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: And of course all these Sixers fans got butt hurt. 258 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Embiid's gonna do that. After we defended him, 259 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm done with him. Sixers fans were irate, and of 260 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: course Embiid, who is known for social media shenanigans, quickly 261 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: scurries back online is like, oh, my middle name is troll. 262 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: Like now, dude, you could watch that video five ten times. 263 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: Nothing trolling about it. There's no grin on his face. 264 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: He's being real and he knows how bleak it is. 265 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: Harden wants out and more. He can try all he 266 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: wants to save it and do damage control, but Harden 267 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: is basically demanding he gets to the Clippers. And you know, 268 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons demanded out of Philly, he got it. James 269 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: Harden demanded out of Brooklyn, he got it. Like these 270 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: guys right now, when they demand out, they're getting it. 271 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: That's the fact. It may not happen instantly, but it happens. 272 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure Embiid sees the writing on the 273 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: wall and I was like, damn, I just won the MVP. 274 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: We got Harden, Maxy, Tobias Harris. We can't get out 275 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: of the second round. I've never been to the conference finals. Like, 276 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: maybe I gotta change and not as a player, maybe 277 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: I gotta change venues and locations. And I think my 278 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: gut tells me we're within six months of heart of 279 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: Joel Embiid asking out. Probably less than that, because you know, 280 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: the second the hardened deal's done if Harden doesn't like it, 281 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: or if Embiid doesn't like the deal for Harden. And 282 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you now, he ain't gonna like Norm 283 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: Powell and a Morris twin and whatever other spare parts 284 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: you can talk to like, that's just I mean terrace bands. 285 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: I like him. They're not doing that deal. They're not. 286 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: And now then you're fixed set with Embiid demanding a trade. 287 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: I almost wonder, Rob, do you believe Maury knows this 288 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: and is already cycling through Joel Embiid trade options. Not 289 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: that he would put that out there, but behind the scenes, 290 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: you've got to wonder is he dangling Embiid for It's 291 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: a tough one because Joel Embiid, you think of him 292 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: as a one. I don't think of him as a one. 293 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: I think if he's your second best player, that's awesome. 294 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: He went to college in Kansas. He is from I 295 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: believe he grew up in Africa. Before he came to Kansas, 296 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: and it's like, where's Joel Embiid gonna end up? Like 297 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: is there a place he wants to go that he's 298 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: tied to? You know, Remember Kevin Durant is from the 299 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: Northern Virginia area. Everybody thought Kevin Durant might go to 300 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: the might go to the Wizards. That guy could be 301 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: a fit. I'm trying to think if there's any other 302 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: regional connections. There isn't one bottom line for Joel Embiid, 303 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: and you just start to wonder where he could end 304 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: up and robbed. He has one of his hotter takes 305 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: and that's not bad, but we could break it down 306 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: unless you have a better team you want to open 307 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: with for Embaid. 308 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: No, I mean I think that given all of the 309 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: scuttle butt going around the NBA right now, I think 310 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: my in my opinion might take makes sense. But let 311 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: me run it by you. So, as you mentioned, I 312 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: think if Darryl Moury is as smart as he thinks 313 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: he is, or as smart as I think he is, 314 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: he's not shopping Joel Embiid, but he's quietly asking his associates, Hey, 315 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: is this something we got to consider? Because to your point, 316 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: as soon as they make that James Harden deal, well, 317 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: I'm assuming he's gonna be to the Clippers. It's not 318 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: gonna be for a return that's going to keep them 319 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: in contention. I know Darryl Mory is saying, oh, I'm 320 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: not going to trade James hard if it's not going 321 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: to keep us get us a star player back or 322 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: the assets to get another star. That's not gonna happen. 323 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: All right, just point blank period. James Harden had. His 324 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: playoff failures are well documented. He has a history now 325 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: of demand trades from different locations no matter what the 326 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: situation is, and he's shown that he's willing to self 327 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: sabotage his an entire team if he doesn't get his way. 328 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: So his stock, I'm not going to say it's Kyrie 329 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: Irving low, but it's very low. So you know, whatever 330 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: they get for him is not going to be something 331 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: that I believe is going to keep Joel unhappy joeannbeing happy. 332 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: So with that in mind, like I said, I think 333 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: that maybe they're not actively shopping him, but they're discussing 334 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: amongst themselves, what do you think we can get for 335 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: Joel if we put them on the market. We're not 336 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: gonna put them in the market. That's going to cause 337 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: a whole fire storm. But if we were, what do 338 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: you think we could get. 339 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: Hey, before Rob, Rob, hold up, before you posit it, 340 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: let me just say this. I wanted to look at 341 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: what him Be did in Game six at seven, right 342 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: they're up three to two against Boston. He was zero 343 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: for six from three. He had twenty six and ten 344 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: in Game six, the home loss, and he had fifteen 345 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: and points on eighteen shots when they got buried in 346 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: Game seven on the road. If you want to go 347 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: back to the Atlanta series, remember that Atlanta series or 348 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons caught all that heat for the pass. I 349 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: know you guys remember it. I'm one of the few 350 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: voices out there who was noting this at the time. 351 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: In that Hawk series, they trailed three to two and 352 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: they had to win Game six, They go to Atlanta, 353 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: they win EMBIID twenty two points on twenty four shots, 354 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: eight turnovers. Game seven, when they lose at home, EMBIID, 355 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: he did have thirty one points. He had eight turnovers. 356 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: If you're keeping scoring home, that's sixteen turnovers in the 357 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: final two games of the series. Winning time rob I 358 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: at some point, I know Philip has don't want to 359 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: hear it. But this idea that Embid like, he's not 360 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: on Jokiches, he's not in that stratosphere. He ain't Giannis like, 361 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: let's just stop with this. He's a very very good player. 362 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: He just won the MVP. But this idea that like 363 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: a injury history, Joel Embiid is gonna fetch anything to 364 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: the go Bear package. My hint would be, no, you 365 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: would you agree before you posit your trade? 366 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: I don't know because I think you know, the Donovan 367 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: Mitchell trade wasn't as big as the Rude Gobert trade, 368 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: but they got a good hall from him. Even the 369 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: Bradley Beal as much as I you know, made fun 370 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: of it at the time because we didn't know the 371 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: exact details until a few weeks later. They got all 372 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: the pick swaps in it, so basically they got everything 373 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 2: they could get out of Phoenix, you know, saved from 374 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: Booker and and KD. They basically got everything that they 375 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: wanted because they didn't want DeAndre and acording multil reports. 376 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: But as far as Joel Embiid, I know you mentioned 377 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 2: just this previous playoff run Historically, though, he's also been 378 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: very inconsistent. He's shot forty percent or worse from the 379 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: field in eighteen of fifty three career playoff games, so 380 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: that means one out of every three games he turns 381 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 2: in a stinker. Like that's that's not something to sneeze at. 382 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: But going back to the trade idea that I had, Look, 383 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 2: I believe if you're gonna shop Joel Embiid and you're 384 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: the Philadelphia seventy six ers, I don't know if there's 385 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: another second star that you're gonna get in return for him, 386 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: Because usually if you make a trade like that, you're like, hey, well, 387 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 2: if I'm gonna send you Joel Embiid Boston, I'm gonna 388 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: ejl in brown back, Or if I'm gonna send Joel 389 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 2: embi to the Lakers on and eight back, I don't know. 390 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: I don't think that kind of deal would be available 391 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: to them. What could be available is just a ton 392 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 2: of draft picks, a ton of draft picks, and like 393 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: a second or third tier level All Star type player, 394 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 2: maybe fringe all NBA, but not quite a superstar. And 395 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: that's why if I'm the Miami Heat and this Portland 396 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: Trailblazer Dame Lillard trade is being, you know, dead in 397 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: the water because Portland's doesn't want to negotiate, they don't 398 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: like what we have whatever, depending whatever insider you follow, 399 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: why not take all the picks that you were gonna 400 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: offer and Yovich and Hakes or whoever else you know, 401 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: Kyle Lowry's expiring deal. You keep all that in the pile. 402 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: You pull back Tyler Hero and you throw in bam 403 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: at a Bio. So you say, bam, Kyle Lowry's expiring, 404 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: the young guy and three first round picks and two schwaps, 405 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: whatever it is they can, whatever they're offering to Portland, 406 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 2: offer that for Joel Embiid and put the pressure on 407 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: Philadelphia and Daryl Morey to say no. 408 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: Bam at a Bio a pooh pooh platter and picks 409 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: for Joel Embiid. So I'm looking at bam Ata Bio 410 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: here he is. He just turned twenty six this week, 411 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: so he's still got like five at least five prime years. 412 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: He's like pretty healthy, lean, really good defensive player. He 413 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: would go to Philly. Would this be after the Harden 414 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: trade for Norm Nixon or whatever? 415 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 2: Norm Nixon? I guess if you want to say after before, 416 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: I don't think it really matters, but yeah. 417 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: Okay, So the new Sixers team would look like bam 418 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: At a Bio Tyrese, Maxi, Tobaio, Harris, Norm Powell. Yeah, 419 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: it was like a seven seed, nothing special, but Maxi 420 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: and bam could have some chemistry. We'll see pick and roll. 421 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: They'd be nice. And Miami would then have the Big 422 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: three of Hero Butler an Embiid. So you would reunite 423 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: Butler and Embiid from Philly where they wanted it to 424 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: be Embiid's team to now Miami where it's Butler's. 425 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: Team and they have a well documented romance Butler and 426 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: Embid like that's no secret. 427 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: Yeah uh. Now, Embiid is one of these guys who, 428 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: like bam Adebayo, is always in shape. His body looks 429 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: like it's chiseled from granite. He has just cut up 430 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 1: like a diamond. This guy is rock solid. He's taking 431 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: hashtag no days off in the offseason. Would you say 432 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: Joel Embiid is like that, rob. 433 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: No, I would not say that. 434 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: Is he gonna fit in heat culture? 435 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 2: I think he personally think heat culture is overrated. 436 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: Oh look at that shots fire, So then the question becomes, Okay, 437 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 3: is Embid Butler and Hero better than Dame Butler and Bam? 438 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: And I think we think Embiid is embiat over at 439 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: a bio. I don't know how much, but you'd obviously 440 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: rather have Embiid. Although BAM's been to the finals twice 441 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: as like the number two or three guy and Dame 442 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: Bam Butler Hm, I feel like the rules are a 443 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: little more defined with Dame Bam and Butler. I don't know. 444 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: That's a tough one. I think a part of me 445 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: would lean to Dame in Miami over Embiid. Between the 446 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: nightlife they heat called like Dame Infinity heat culture easily. 447 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: He's a soldier. I don't know that Embid is. It's spicy. 448 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 2: Let me give you my rationale and then you can 449 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: marry its more. My thinking is, not only are Butler 450 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: Embiid already established as they're going to work together, not 451 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: only because we saw it work together in Philadelphia, but 452 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: because their personal relationship I think makes it so that 453 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: it wants to work together. The second reason being, and 454 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: this is not meant to be a slight at Damian 455 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: Lillard any kind of way, but I believe it is 456 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 2: easier to find a scoring guard in the NBA moving 457 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 2: forward as the years tick on forward than it is 458 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: to find a dominant big man. I mean, you've said 459 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: it on the Pot of Bay about a week ago, 460 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 2: like it's Jokic, it's Embiid, and who do we have 461 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: as thir thirteam? All NBA center eighties always hurt Bam, 462 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: we don't know you even floated when ban Yama possibly 463 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: you know, sneaking into that conver station just because there's 464 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: a lack of NBA centers. There are a lot of 465 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 2: small guards who can score, not as well as Damian 466 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 2: Lillard obviously, but Tyler Hero, I mean people keep pointing 467 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: out he scored twenty plus points a game last season. 468 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: You don't think he can bump that up to twenty three, 469 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 2: twenty four maybe, and he's still very young. And then 470 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: last but not least, I believe that the age, even 471 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: though Embiid has that history of injuries and Dame has 472 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: been injured a little bit recently as well, but he's 473 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: three years younger than Damian Lillard. 474 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: That's fair. 475 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 2: So that to me makes sense. So that rather than 476 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: having two guys in their mid thirties and Butler and Lillard. 477 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: You go with a little bit older Butler, a smacking 478 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 2: his prime Joel Embiid and a guy entering his prime 479 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 2: in Tyler Hero, and you can kind of stagger your 480 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 2: timeline a little bit. 481 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: So here's the tricky part with Tyler Hero rob and 482 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, I liked him a lot. You guys can 483 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: rewind to the I think the first year we did 484 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: the podcast was the Bubble year, when he went on 485 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: in the Bubble and was great. It's tricky because Hero 486 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: seems like a very good player. However, the stardom has 487 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: clearly gone to his head. You know, he's like a 488 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: fashion plate on the sideline. He's styling in South Beach. 489 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: He's got the influencer girlfriend. You know, he's just he 490 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: feels like he's becoming a South Beach guy. And you 491 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: couple that with the fact that this team was playing 492 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: material all season and then Tyler Hill gets hurt in 493 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: the first round and they get better and make a 494 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: run to the finals. I just have a hard time 495 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: quantifying what Hero means at this stage. Yes, in the 496 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: Bubble playoffs he was awesome. Now people have the book 497 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: on him, they know what he's about. They know they 498 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: can attack him relentlessly on defense, like rob How do 499 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: you justify Tyler Hero status is like a you know, 500 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: a top forty player in the league or whatever you 501 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: have him when the team clearly got better without him 502 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: in the playoffs? 503 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 2: First I can't first off, but my rationale behind the 504 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: playoff situation is, and we talked about us on the pod, 505 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: I think their performance had less to do with Tyler 506 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: Hero and you know him being in an addition by 507 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 2: subtraction kind of a situation, and more so just Vincent, Caleb, Martin, Duncan, Robinson, Kyle, 508 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 2: like all these guys shot above their heads. And we 509 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 2: talked about this on the podcast. There was a reason 510 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: why nobody was picking them against Denver because we all 511 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 2: believed it was unsustainable for them to go from one 512 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: of the worst shooting teams in the NBA in the 513 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 2: regular season to the best shooting team in the postseason, 514 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: so much so that they were shooting a higher percentage 515 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 2: from three at a higher volume than even the Steph 516 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 2: Katie Warriors, who we agree is the greatest shooting team 517 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 2: of all time. That's the kind of clip they were 518 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: shooting it at. I think that had they played the 519 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 2: way they had in the in the regular season and 520 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: that was what their watermark was, then we wouldn't be 521 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: having this conversation because they probably would have been bounced 522 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: out in the second round. 523 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: All right, I have a U or. 524 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 2: Maybe not maybe that second round, but they would not 525 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 2: have made the finals. 526 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably, Yeah, I don't know if they get 527 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: by the Bucks. You know. Frankly, two other teams that 528 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: just popped into my head on Embiid number one, Maury 529 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: and that Again, let's just remember what does Moriy want. 530 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: He wants stars, that's what he believes in Maris is fine, Embiid, 531 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: you know you want out, we're gonna go. We're gonna trade. 532 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: You're not calling the shots of where you're going. Okay, 533 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: we're dealing you. I pick up the phone, I call 534 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: New Orleans. I say, give me Zion and since he's 535 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: always hurt and as he give me some give me 536 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: some picks, some protection, Zion a couple of picks and 537 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: tossed in Alvarado and we'll give you Joel Embiid. Does 538 00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: New Orleans entertain that. 539 00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: I probably should? 540 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: Probably right, you'd almost think like, yeah, why would they 541 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: not so what's the incentive for Philly to do this? 542 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: You're getting an undervalued asset in Zion who went healthy. 543 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: I know, humongous question Mark is lights out, utterly dominant. 544 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: Would be a massive star in Philadelphia. Probably too big 545 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: of a star given his extracurricular proclivities, shall we say? 546 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: And what if he's just passed? The injury is history. 547 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: He's maturing, he's stopped growing, he stopped eating or not 548 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: stopped eating. But he's got a nice diet and you 549 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: get him next alongside a real workhorse like a PJ. Tucker, 550 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: Tyrese MAXI. These are like tough dudes who are going 551 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: to really grind you. Nick Nurse, Oh my gosh, Nick 552 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: Nurse is demanding on defense. I don't know it's I'm 553 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: sure Sixers fans are like, absolutely not. I don't want 554 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 1: anything to do with Zion, which is fair the other team? Well, 555 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 1: first of all, rob your thoughts on a Zion plus 556 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: stuff for a bet. 557 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: If I am the Pelicans, absolutely would consider that. If 558 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: I am Philadelphia, I think I would rather have the 559 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: more sure thing as far as a player. If I'm 560 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 2: meaning bam Adebayo, well maybe not even just Bam but 561 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 2: like you mentioned the question marks around Zion. I think 562 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: are too great where I wouldn't be able to talk 563 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 2: myself into getting rid of Joel mb the reigning MVP, 564 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: even if I got the six or seven first round picks. 565 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: You know that New Orleans has I think I would 566 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: rather have a player where even I have the same 567 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: upside as Zion. But I know the floor is much higher. 568 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: Okay, I would agree with that. I don't what is 569 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: the what is the ceiling for Zion healthy playing seventy 570 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: seventy five games like. 571 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: Top five player in the league. 572 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: I would agree, And that's why I think you take 573 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: that chance. Now, listen, if Zion's health causes you to 574 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,479 Speaker 1: lose your job, you lose your job. But you know what, 575 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: EMBIID asking for the trade probably seals your fate anyway. 576 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: The only other EMBIID team that I mean, I think 577 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: the heat is not bad. The problem with EMBIID is 578 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: like I wanted Minnesota, but there's there's no way. The 579 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: go Bear's already there. Karl Anthony Towns has a lot 580 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: of value the New York Knicks we've talked about. Right, 581 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,239 Speaker 1: you put him alongside Brunson, You give up Barrett some 582 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: of that war chest of picks. I heard someone I 583 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: don't remember who it was break down the picks and 584 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: apparently there's not like a lot of top five I 585 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: don't even know if there's top ten picks in that 586 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: Knicks war chest. There's a bunch of okay picks. And listen, 587 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: first round picks or first round picks, you know, like 588 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: you never know when the sixteenth pick in the draft 589 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: is going to be an awesome player. I mean, Cam 590 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: Whitmore fell to twenty. He was nearly I don't know 591 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: if he was. He was nearly the Summer League MVP. 592 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: Was he he was? Oh? 593 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: He was okay, Yeah, he was tremendous. He was projected 594 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: top five. I had him top five in my Monkey 595 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: falls to twenty For reasons it's still are kind of unknown. 596 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: You know, there are hidden gyms everywhere. Obviously the Knicks 597 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: will be a major player. The other one I was thinking, 598 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: and Rob, this is another team near and dear to 599 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: your heart. Darryl Morey calls up Polenka and says, hey, 600 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: I like the cut of Anthony Davis's jib. He works 601 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: really well with Nick Nurse, who demands defense, and we'll 602 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: do a d a pick or two for Joel embie 603 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: I don't think you'd have to add much to AD. 604 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: I think we would agree Embid's a superior player at 605 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: this stage both injury risks, AD probably more so, but 606 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: AD for Embiid any thoughts there. 607 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: I could see why both of those teams would want 608 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: to do that. Oh because, like you said, AD's injury history, 609 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 2: it's such that reportedly people don't even know if they're 610 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: going to offer him that extension. Here next month we 611 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: talked about it on the pot. It's a huge question mark, 612 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 2: and Joel Embiid has some of the same issues that 613 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: Anthony Davis has, and that the inconsistency in the playoffs, 614 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: I think ADS are more magnified just because he plays 615 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 2: for the Lakers and because he plays for Lebron James. 616 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 2: Like I just mentioned before, one of every three games 617 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: Embiid is terrible, and nobody talks about it in the 618 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: same way to do about Athnony Davis because it's not 619 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: the Lakers. But I would agree with you in that 620 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: Joel Embiid, his floor, I believe is higher. Even on 621 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: his worst nights, he can be the focal point of 622 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: your offense. Anthony Davis obviously cannot. And as much as 623 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: we value as defense, or I value as defense, the 624 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 2: sentiment in today's NBA is offense first, defense a distant second, 625 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 2: not even a close second. 626 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: Interesting. 627 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: So if I'm the Lakers, I could see why they 628 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: want Embid. And if I'm Philadelphia, pairing Tyrese Maxey, who 629 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: likes to score with a defensive minded big man who 630 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 2: can finish at the rim, it's a pretty nice way 631 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 2: to start. You can build out the rest of your 632 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: roster very quickly with that kind of setup. 633 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean there are like I try to 634 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: think of an Atlanta Hawk steal, but nothing really works 635 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: there unless you're shipping Tray Young. But that doesn't work. 636 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: The Young Maxi situation would not work. Yeah, And beat 637 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: In and b does feel like the kind of guy 638 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: who wants the big stage, the New York, the LA, 639 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: whereas bam Otebayo, He's gonna work and grind anywhere, Yokich, 640 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: you don't care. He's just gonna put up numbers wherever 641 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: he goes. But Joel and Bad is interesting. I think 642 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: NBA is. You know, we're reading a lot about how 643 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: free agency's boring. Who one of the Michael Jordan's old agent, 644 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: David Falk, was saying free agency's gotten boring because people 645 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: just demand contracts and then get their money and then 646 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: figure out where they want to get traded to. So 647 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: one argument somebody tried to tell tell me on the 648 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: Lakers was the Lakers probably should extend a d at 649 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: four or three for one thirty or whatever kills number 650 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: it is, because if they go to free agency, he 651 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: can demand maybe more if he's healthy, he plays well, 652 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: and the Lakers lose him for nothing, and you can't 653 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: lose Anthony Davis for nothing, so they'll probably just do 654 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: the we're gonna extend you will make his sweat a 655 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: little bit, and then we'll figure it out later. You know. 656 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: That seems to be the new NBA bout. I don't 657 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: love that because nobody's committing to anything. It's alike everybody's 658 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: kind of sort of dating, but nobody's serious, Like nobody 659 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: wants to get into a real commitment in the NBA. 660 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: Even this Jalen Brown contract, which I'm itching to talk about. 661 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna do it now, but Rob, 662 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: you saw the number right, the Celtics contract for Jalen 663 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 1: Brown who I think he was All NBA second team 664 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: or third, but he's never been first. He's definitely not 665 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: a top five player in the league. I don't think 666 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: top ten. And there's a world where this new contract 667 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: would pay him seventy million dollars in one year. And 668 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: that's when you start pressing, whoa wait a minute, wait, 669 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: Boston is doing what seventy mili in a year for 670 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown, a guy who has I think an awful 671 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: assist turnover ratio in the playoffs because he can't really 672 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: dribble into traffic. What's happening? And that's a larger macro 673 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: issue where it's like, where's the NBA headed? I know, 674 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: you know here in America we have the haves and 675 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: have nots. The gap is continuing to get wider and 676 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: the middle class is getting screwed. Jalen Brown making seventy 677 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: million dollars a year is going to be a little 678 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: wacky to NBA fans, And we know NBA fans, you 679 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: know skew a little younger. It just might be a 680 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,959 Speaker 1: difficult watch seeing Jalen Brown on your TV have seven 681 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: turnovers in a pivotal playoff game, and the guy's clacking 682 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: seventy million dollars. I don't know, Rob, have you given 683 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: any thought to any of this? 684 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 2: A little bit? Yeah, because I listened to Zach Low's 685 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 2: podcast Friend of the Show. Even though we haven't got 686 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 2: a mine, he's still a friend oft the show. 687 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: I still like that. 688 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 2: And he was mentioning on his most recent episode with 689 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 2: Davic Mannamon, who is a friend oft the show who's 690 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 2: been on the show, that we are like three years away, 691 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 2: three or four years away from having one hundred million 692 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 2: dollar a season player because the way the cap is 693 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 2: going up and these thirty five, thirty seven, thirty five 694 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 2: percent of the cap, and as it goes on and 695 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 2: on and on, that's going to happen. So as jarring 696 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 2: as it is now to hear seventy million dollars a 697 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 2: season for Jalen Brown, three hundred and plus million dollars 698 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 2: for his contract, that's gonna be like the going rate 699 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 2: for all star level players, you know, within the next 700 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 2: ten years. After all, it's probably closer to five. Like, 701 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 2: that's what's going to happen. 702 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: See, So I think Mahomes got a million, right, Patrick Mahomes, Yeah, 703 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: one of those Okay, but it was over ten years. 704 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: Nobody's arguing it because he's the MVP every year, his 705 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: chiefs are in the Super Bowl every year. It's like 706 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, nobodys fighting that Jyalen Brown's a different story. 707 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: That would be the equivalent of you know, Kirk Cousins 708 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: next year. We had Kevin Clark one last week. Oh yeah, 709 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: oh rams love him, forty nineers love him. Kirk Cousins 710 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: being like the second or third highest pay quarter in 711 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: the league, making fifty million dollars into Kirk Cousins who 712 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: has one career playoff when I think that's what that 713 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown contract will look like. But now we're off 714 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: on our tangent. Anyways, we've gone way long. Some interesting, fun, 715 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: juicy stuff to chew on on a Thursday for you. 716 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: Reminder will be back tomorrow. We have a good guest, 717 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: a bit of a surprise guest tomorrow, and also a 718 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: reminder I'll be hosting The Herd on Friday, so check 719 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: out it as well. Talk to you tomorrow.