1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to this league uncut rule of twenty four hour 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: NBA News. This's you, Chris Hans. 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: It's time, work's time, It's so time. 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: This league uncut is underway and on fire. 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 2: This should be a good one. 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: Friends, Welcome in to the long awaited return of this 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: league uncut. Yes, we are back, and back just in time. 8 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: After Wednesday. On Wednesday this week, the NBA was hit 9 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: with a legit, no holds barred, true blockbuster trade. Damian 10 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Lillard shipped from Portland to Milwaukee in a three team 11 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: and then Thursday followed with the next blockbuster. Chris Haynes, 12 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: star of this very podcast, with a very detailed behind 13 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: the scenes inside look at how this trade came together 14 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: how Damian Lillard, with very little chatter about the Milwaukee Bucks, 15 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: ended up being sent to Wisconsin to now partner with 16 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: Jana Santetakumpo and form one of the stariest star duos 17 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: in this league. I think if you've already read Chris's story, 18 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: you understand why we did not do an emergency immediate 19 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: reaction pod Wednesday after the trade. Chris obviously needed to 20 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: report out that story, and if you haven't read the story, 21 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: I urge you to read it, but we're going to 22 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: get into tons of it here, mister Haynes, good evening, 23 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: recording this late Thursday night. And you threw a lot 24 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: at us today, sir. 25 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: Well Stein, there was a lot. I'll tell you this. 26 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: You said, I threw a lot at you. There was 27 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: still a lot of meat left on the bone. Still 28 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 2: a lot of meat left on the bone. 29 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: Let's well, hopefully we'll get into so, hopefully we will, 30 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: we will, hopefully we will reveal some of that in 31 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: this forthcoming discussion. 32 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's that time again. It seems like Stein 33 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: will glad to be back man. 34 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question, And look, it was it was. It was, 35 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, a source of curiosity I think around the 36 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: league that how would Portland? Was Portland really treating Media 37 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: Day as a deadline? How motivated were the Blazers to 38 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: get this done and make a Dame trade before Media Day, 39 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: before the season started so they could truly move on. 40 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: And as we've come to learn that after a very 41 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: quiet second half of July and a very quiet August, 42 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 1: things really did heat up in the back half of September, 43 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: and the Blazers were determined to get this thing done. 44 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: Before the new season started. And one of the many 45 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: very interesting revelations in your piece is that when Damian 46 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: Lillard and Joe Cronin, the Blazers general manager, when they 47 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: met on September fifth, as it was becoming apparent to 48 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: Damian Lillard that a trade to his preferred destination of 49 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: Miami was not going to materialize, Damian Lillard, as you've 50 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: reported tonight, offered to rescind his trade request and go 51 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: back to the Blazers, and Joe Cronan told him no, 52 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: that the Blazers were going ahead with trading him. And 53 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: in your story you talk about how Dame realized at 54 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: that point he wasn't going to Miami. He didn't nowhere 55 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: he was going yet, but he knew he wasn't going 56 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: to Miami. And most of the league twenty eight teams 57 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: media day is Monday. Dallas and Minnesota because they're playing 58 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: exhibition games abroad, they were able to start this week. 59 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: Minnesota's media day was today, Dallas's media day was Friday, 60 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: but everybody else in the league media day is Monday. 61 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: And now Portland has its deal and has its fresh start. 62 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: But just just take us take us from there, I 63 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: guess just I mean that was you have a lot 64 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: of stunning stuff in here. But the fact that Dame 65 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: actually offered to rescind the trade request and stay a 66 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: Blazer for the short term to give them more time 67 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: to make a trade, and the Blazers turn that down. 68 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, I mean it just got really ugly behind 69 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: the scenes. And you know, a lot there was a 70 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: lot of developments that happened throughout the course of this offseason, 71 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: this journey, I should say, and I just couldn't bring 72 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: it home at the time. But I will say to Dame, like, yes, 73 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: he he made an effort to say, you know, he 74 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 2: would rather resend his trade and come back if he 75 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: was going to get traded to somewhere other than Miami. 76 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: And he you know, he was shocked to hear that 77 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: that wouldn't be allowed. And so with that being said, 78 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: it's still like there was still we weren't hearing much 79 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: traction from any other teams. You know, we heard, you know, 80 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: we heard about Toronto and Minnesota. You know, there was 81 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 2: there is some concern Utah could jump in, who else 82 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: who else? South was out there talk Chicago, they were 83 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: doing they were trying to feel around and so Dame 84 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: thought like, look, okay, you know he's saying I might 85 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: not be welcome back, but if they can't get a 86 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: trade done, then I you know, I would rather go 87 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: and do what I've always done this time of year, 88 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: and that show up to the practice facility, you know, 89 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: around this time, because this is the around the time 90 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: where guys gather a few weeks before camp and they 91 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: start during their their pre camp routine schedules of these 92 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: are unofficial practices that take place. And so he went 93 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: like a few days after It was like literally the 94 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: next week, a few days after his meeting with Joe Crone, 95 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: and he went to the facility and he went for 96 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: eight days, and you know, you know, he told me 97 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: that you know, people were excited to see him, and 98 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: you know, he hasn't been at the facity in a while, 99 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: and he had just got had his his new house built. 100 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: It took a few years to build his house from 101 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: from scratch and his house has his home actually has 102 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: a full court, plush basketball gym in there, and so 103 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: he's been working, you know, he spent the majority of 104 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: the off season working at you know basketball while I 105 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: was working in in his gym and his home and 106 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: so he decided to go back to the practice practice City, 107 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: and you know, he said everybody was receptive. Man. You know, 108 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: he went in there for eight days and he said 109 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: he saw Joe each and every day and he didn't 110 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: say not one word to him during that time. So 111 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: you know, he didn't know. And he has a quote 112 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: in there in the story of him not knowing if 113 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: they felt like he was trying to cause a commotion 114 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: or whatever, but you know, he was just doing what 115 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: he's been doing for you know, ten plus years already, 116 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: and just going going into the facility getting ready because 117 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: he didn't know where he was going to be. And 118 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: so it just got to it. It just got to 119 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: an ugly place, man. And it was unsad and fortunate 120 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: to see it all come down to this. But there's 121 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: a lots time. There's a lot in there. I forgot 122 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: a lot of ship that that that's in the story. 123 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: And so it's at the end of the day they 124 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: had to pivot and think of other teams outside of Miami, 125 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: and word trickled trickled out to my excuse me, word 126 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: trickled out to Milwaukee that Dame would be receptive to 127 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: going there if he was moved there and from there 128 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: that's when the Bucks got on the move, and and 129 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: that's what led us to to Dame and Johannest teaming up. Yeah. 130 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just that's going to be a spectacular pairing. 131 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: And you know, you've kind of talked about it a 132 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,239 Speaker 1: little bit that you know, these guys have huge appreciation 133 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: for each other. They have talked about playing together, and 134 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: I think you you reported earlier this week about how 135 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: you know, Dame said well, why why can't we get 136 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: you to Portland? And Giannis is like, well, why can't 137 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: we get you to Milwaukee? And and it ends up 138 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: being Milwaukee. I mean so so, I mean, you know 139 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: I always call you the world's foremost damologist. Do you 140 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: think he you think he's going to be good with 141 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: this that that obviously Milwaukee is not South Beach, but 142 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: he is going to get a chance to play for 143 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: a championship with a guy. 144 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to be candid with you. I was on 145 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: the phone with him when he got word he was 146 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: going to Milwaukee, Like I was live on the phone 147 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: with him and he was just really just speechless, you know, 148 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: he he was he was saying, like I gotta wrap 149 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 2: my mind around this. I gotta wrap my mind around 150 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: That's that's what he kept saying. And he was talking 151 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: about his kids. You know, you know, what is his 152 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: kids going to do? Are they coming? Are they you know? 153 00:09:53,840 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: You know, that's that was what he was thinking. And slowly, 154 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: over time he started to think about the basketball side 155 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: of it. He was like, yeah, this will be the 156 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: the greatest team I've ever been a part of, you know, 157 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: he was he was like talking himself through it, like 158 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: it was really like he you know how it is 159 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: like when you when you with somebody or are you're 160 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: on the phone with somebody and they're just hit with 161 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: this life's changing news and they're they're just they're just 162 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: speechless for a minute, and you can tell they're just 163 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: taking it all in. And that's what what I kind 164 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: of caught. You know, I didn't I didn't catch them. 165 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: We just happened to be on the phone at the time. 166 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: And slowly, I will say so, I would say probably 167 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: a few hours afterwards, you know, we were we were 168 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: texting throughout and he was like, yeah, I'm still thinking 169 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: I'm just informing a family, informing loved ones what's going on. 170 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: But like as the day went on Star, he got 171 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: more excited and more excited, man like, and I think 172 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: I think what really got him to that point as well, Uh, 173 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: he finally read a text from Jannis that said, let's 174 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: fucking get this championship, you know, and so that like 175 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: really got his juice is flowing right there, and you 176 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: know he's ready, He's all in now. Like when it 177 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: first happened, I didn't know how long that type of 178 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: feeling he had. Initially, I didn't know how long that 179 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: would last. But as he started, you know, he started 180 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: talking about the roster and looking at you know, I 181 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: was going over the roster with him at one point, 182 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: and I'm like, damn, Like they got Brooke Portos. You know, 183 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: they didn't they didn't really gut the team. You know, 184 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: it's the team is intact, and you know, I forgot 185 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: they got Malik Beasley out there. You know, Milik Bezy's 186 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: our first our first player guests on our podcast, and 187 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: so you know, he just started thinking looking at the roster. 188 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope, I hope Dame is the first 189 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: player to do two interviews on this podcast. Look, I like, 190 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: I love this move for Milwaukee and it is definitely risky. 191 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: I mean, Drew Holliday is a fantastic player who you 192 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: see the frenzy that his availability is now sparking with 193 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: Portland fielding all kinds of interest because everybody knows the 194 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: Blazers want to trade Drew Holliday now, and Milwaukee doesn't 195 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: win a championship without him, and there's definitely going to 196 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: be a hit on the perimeter defensively. But like this is, 197 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, Yannis has been so vocal this summer with 198 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: the two interviews in the New York Times and then 199 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: on the forty eight Minutes podcast, and he, you know, 200 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: so openly kind of you know, put it to the 201 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: Bucks that hey, guys, I need to see something. I 202 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: need to see more. And they turn right around very 203 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: quickly and make a trade for Damian Lillard. I mean, 204 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: can I sit here and guarantee that it's going to work. No, 205 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: But as you said, the Bucks still have a lot 206 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: of defensive minded players on that team. This trade moves 207 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: Chris Middleton to third Star rather than second Star, which 208 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: I think helps him. But most of all, the Bucks 209 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: are going to be able to no matter what happens, 210 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 1: if this goes well, If if it doesn't if somehow 211 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: Jannis still doesn't want to stay down the road whatever, 212 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: But the Bucks are gonna be able to look their 213 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: fans squarely in the face and say, we try to 214 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: do everything to make Giannis happy. 215 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say this, so also take people behind 216 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: the scenes. Jannis called me. So when the trade went down, 217 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: I'm texting with Giannis and you know, we're texting back 218 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: later on in the day, which was yesterday. Yesterday, he 219 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: gives me a gives me a call, and he was like, 220 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: I wish people could I wish I could play the audio. 221 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: But he was really distraught about losing Drew, but very 222 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: very excited about having Dame. So it's like that, it's 223 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: like the emotions, you know, he described as bittersweet, and so, uh, 224 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: you know, he just talked. He just talked really glowingly 225 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: and favorably about the person first and foremost that Drew 226 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: Holliday is, And he talked about the still that he 227 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: had in Game five in the finals that helped them 228 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: win their first championship, and how he's always going to 229 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: be indebted to him. Say, he loves Drew, Drew loves 230 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: his family, He love everything he stands for and so 231 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: he's really caught in a tough place there because yes, 232 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: the honesty, you know, he did have words out. They're 233 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: kind to illustrating the need for the Bucks to continue 234 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: to try to improve the roster if they want to 235 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: keep him, and you know, in doing so, you know 236 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: you're going to you're gonna lose, there's gonna be collateral damage, 237 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: You're gonna lose key pieces. And Drew Holliday is one 238 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: of those guys. And you know then he then he 239 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: goes into Dame and saying like, you know, Dame's going 240 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: to be spread the floor and you know, the pick 241 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: and roll game. So he you know, it was tough 242 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: for you, honest too. It was very tough for honest 243 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: too because you know he had those public comments and 244 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: then this happens, and you know, you lose a great 245 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: player and a greater person two to get Damian Lillard. 246 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: So tough, tough situation all the way around. 247 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: But I have this quote here, I've got your piece open. 248 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: Here's here's what you quote. 249 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: Hold on Stein, Oh no, no, no, no, no, Stein. 250 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: If you're going to read this, read this verbatim. I 251 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: want you to read every single words STI every single 252 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: word love to get me in trouble, man, you could 253 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: do it. 254 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: Drew is my fucking brother for life. I love his family, 255 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: I love him, I appreciate him. I wish him nothing 256 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: but the best. He blessed me with a fucking championship. 257 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: Antetokumpo told b R he's the one who made that 258 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: huge steal in Game five of the finals. I went 259 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: to battle with him multiple times. Fuck basketball, Fuck the media. Shit. 260 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: This guy is my brother for life, and it's always 261 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: going to be like that. He's going to thrive wherever 262 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: he ends up and then he continues. Now. At the 263 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: same time, I'm excited to have Dame. He gives us 264 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: a chance to win a championship. I'm excited to play 265 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: with the caliber player that he is. He can score 266 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: the ball in his sleep and shoot the lights out. 267 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: It's a bittersweet day for the city of Milwaukee. You 268 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: get Dame, who is a great player, but you lose 269 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: a great guy. Drew took us to the promised Land. 270 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm ten years in now, I know it's of business. 271 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, Drew will always be 272 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: my brother for life. He's one of the best human 273 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: beings I've ever been around, but we've got to focus 274 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: on the goal to win a championship. Dame wants this, 275 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: he's hungry to win, and he's going to push us. 276 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: I'm very happy to have him on our team. I 277 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: actually want to see if you would expound. You had 278 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: a tweet right after the trade about Giannis in a 279 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: barbershop in Fresno, and I I know more of that story, 280 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: but I don't think the audience knows that story. So 281 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: can you kind of tell that. 282 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: Stun I think no, I told that story here on 283 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: this podcast. 284 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: You don't want to retell that whole story. 285 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 2: I can, so this would this would be the off 286 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: you know, the off season the Bucks are eliminated and 287 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: every summer, so for full transparency, Gianni's fiance is my cousin. 288 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: That's my blood cousin, Mariah. She's from Fresno like I am. 289 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: You know, they have beautiful kids. You know, those are 290 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 2: my cousins. So every summer, Jannis takes a trip to 291 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 2: Fresno and spends time with the family down there. And 292 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 2: I got a phone call from one of my partners 293 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: who was at Phase two barbershop in Fresno. It's a 294 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: popular barbershop. We have in Fresno. It's been there for years, decades, 295 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 2: a few decades, and Yannis Yannis went there. Uh, my 296 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 2: cousin took Giannis up in there, and my partner who 297 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 2: told me that he was there, was just raving about 298 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: how Giannis was just saying like giving them like great stories, 299 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: like just being free and open and transparent about how 300 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: he feels about what he's looking for, you know, in 301 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: a team and who he wants to play play for 302 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: and play with or like he was being transparent and 303 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: I'm not even going to say some of the stuff 304 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: that he said because it was off the record. You know, 305 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 2: no cameras were in there, so props to uh to 306 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 2: the people that were getting haircuts with keeping keeping their 307 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 2: phones uh in their pockets. But one thing, one thing 308 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 2: for sure. He was asked like if is there one 309 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: player that he would like to play with that he 310 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: hasn't played with before, and without hesitation, he said, Damien Lilok. 311 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: So you know that that you know? And then look, 312 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: you know they they brought this up on social media. 313 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: I think it was what was this past this past 314 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: draft All Star? Yeah, this All Star game, Joannis made 315 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: Dame the number one pick over his teammates Drew Holliday. 316 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, which because I'm I can't even remember yesterday, so 317 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: of course I did forget all that and now that 318 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: was that was, that was, it was right there in 319 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: front of us, and we we we didn't realize it. 320 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so this has been going on going on 321 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: for a minute. But no he he he. He revealed 322 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: that in a barbershop with about ten people in that shop. 323 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: And so I shouldn't meddle people, I should not meddle 324 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: into your writing life, but I can't resist. Someday I 325 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: would love to read when I want to read Chris 326 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: Haynes and Joannis. I want to read a day in 327 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: the I want to read a story, a day diary 328 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: of you guys in Fresno, because that's the thing I 329 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: think people are like, why is and Fresno? 330 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: I kid you not, so Stein, this was about seven 331 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: years ago, I kid you, not about seven years ago. 332 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 2: I'm covering the Portland Trailblazer at one point and then 333 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 2: leave they're in the playoffs. The high school I went 334 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: to is Edison High School, where same high school as 335 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: your good pal Bruce Bowen. Yes, indeed so so Edison State. 336 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: Yes that that Bruce Bowen, So, Edison High School is 337 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: on the west side of Fresno, which is the roughest 338 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: side of town in Fresno. So just for background, So 339 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 2: my dad, who's not you know, he doesn't keep up 340 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 2: with things that well with what's going on in the 341 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: news and things, so a lot of times when he 342 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 2: brings things up, I have to clarify and and tell 343 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: him what's really going on. So I just know I'm 344 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 2: covering a playoff series and my dad gives me a call. 345 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 2: I pick up and I'm like, what's up? Dad? He said, Hey, 346 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: the Greek freak is at Edison High School? And I'm like, what, Dad, 347 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 2: what's wrong with you? Like I'm mad, and like I'm 348 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: almost about to hang up on my dad because I'm 349 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 2: like I'm busy, Like I got like, why is the 350 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: Greek freak at Edison High School in Fresno? Like what 351 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 2: is the point? What is he talking about? Like, the 352 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: Greek freak is at Edison? I saw him? Like, Dad, 353 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: you saw some other tall dude. You didn't see no 354 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: Jannis after Coupo and Fresno at Edison High School? Stop it? 355 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 2: So I hung up. I dismissed it and about a 356 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: month later, I was was it Vegas? I don't know, 357 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: but I saw Mariah. You know, Mariah used to work 358 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: at Mariah used to work for the Philadelphia seventy six ers. 359 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: She used to work in their media relations department. And 360 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 2: I would get a customer meeting up with her in Philadelphia, 361 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: you know, saying, you know, when I get there on 362 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 2: the road, we'll catch up or whatever. And then she 363 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: never told me one thing. Last thing. That first thing 364 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: I heard her dad Pat, which is my that's my 365 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 2: first cousin, her dad. So, yeah, Mariah moved to Milwaukee. 366 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, what, her dad's the one that told me. 367 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: So then they just hit I'm like, hold on, she 368 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 2: really is. She's she's what Yanna Yes sees what Yanna's 369 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: Chris like wow, just wow. So that's how that all. 370 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: That's how all transpired. Man. So uh yeah, I have 371 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: yet to actually, I have yet to be in Fresno 372 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 2: the same time has been there ever since. They've been 373 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: a good I have yet to be there at the 374 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: scien time. 375 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: The city can't handle that much stardom at once. 376 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: Oh that's that's a lot. That's its bell can handle 377 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: it with just me. That's that's a lot stun. 378 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: So. All right, back to your story here, So, I mean, look, 379 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: the first quote you run is, you know, is a 380 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: headline in itself. I mean, for one, Dame wrote an 381 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: incredible thank you letter to the city of Portland and 382 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: to fans. You gotta you have to read the whole thing. 383 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, it's everybody. It's eight screen 384 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: shots long. And uh, you know, I actually tweeted the 385 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: last line because you know, it was a beautifully written line. Quote. 386 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: I do believe a day will come where I put 387 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: on a Blazer's uniform again, on again, and hopefully by 388 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: then I'll be forgiven, Dame says, for breaking your hearts 389 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: along with my own. So I mean he knows that he's, 390 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, disappointed a lot of Blazers fans by leaving. 391 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: But I mean, look this, this quote in your story again, 392 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: the first quote, this is from Dame again, first quote 393 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: to you. How this summer played out behind the scenes. 394 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: Definitely definitely left a sour taste in my mouth, but 395 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't change and doesn't change the amazing experiences I've 396 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: had with the Trailblazers and this city. I'll always cherish, 397 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: cherish this place. This is my home. I'll always live 398 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: here regardless. So I mean, he's he's referring there in 399 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: the beginning to just the way this all went down. 400 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: Your story details over and over about how the Blazers 401 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: they just would not engage Miami. They were not going 402 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: to trade Dame to the team he wanted to be 403 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: traded to. That's and look, that's their right as a 404 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: team that you know Dame was under contract, they can 405 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: do whatever they want to do when that's the scenario. 406 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: Dame did extensions. In the NBA, you can only get 407 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: a no trade clause if you have eight years in 408 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: the league for with the same team. But and this 409 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: is a huge disclaimer, you have to have a new 410 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: contract and negotiate the no trade clause into a new contract. 411 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: Dame always did extensions, so a no trade clause could 412 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: not be added to his contract extensions and thus he 413 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: didn't have one. So he was hoping that after eleven 414 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: years with one team, that the Blazers would send him 415 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: where he wanted to go. It didn't go down like that. 416 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: You obviously have lived in Portland, You've covered the Blazers 417 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: from close range. You know that area. Well, I mean 418 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: how do you think what's the reaction going to be 419 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: there to some of these things that you've revealed in 420 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: this piece. 421 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 2: Mix you up. I'll look, I don't look on social media, 422 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: well social media talk about Twitter or what is it 423 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: called X. I don't look on X like I used 424 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 2: to anymore. I used to devote a lot of time 425 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: scrolling through. So I don't really know what the the 426 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 2: mood is. But there are people that I follow, and 427 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: you know, I get notifications when they respond to a tweet, 428 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: and so I've kind of checked out the vibe and 429 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 2: the narrative in the field since that story has gotten out, 430 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 2: And you know, it's a mixed mixed, a mixed bag. 431 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 2: I guess you know another thing. And you know you 432 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: talked about Dames, Stan, you talk about Dames. Thank you 433 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 2: letter Man. He thanked everybody, everybody. He named all the 434 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: beat writers in Portland. He the training staff, people behind 435 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: the scenes with the team that people wouldn't even know 436 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 2: their names like he he this is really thoughtful and 437 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 2: he worked a long time on it, and I was 438 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: waiting for him to drop that. Even Thank Neil O'sha 439 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: who was the former GM who got fired a few 440 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: years ago. For cause, and you know they didn't have 441 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: the best relationship. You know, towards the end of O'sheat's 442 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: tenure with the Portland Troublazer, he even thanked him. He 443 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 2: did not think however, Joe Cronin and you know, even 444 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: in my story, you know, he taught to you know, 445 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: again I mentioned Ray, but he was at the facility 446 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 2: and Joe, Joe wouldn't didn't address him, didn't say anything 447 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: to him. You know. Also in my story, and this 448 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 2: has gotten some attention. You know, he was he was 449 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: asked to sit out the final ten games of the 450 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: regular season last year to help the team improve their 451 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 2: draft odds. Dame doesn't like sitting out, that's not him. 452 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: Well, that's going to get a lot of attention. I'm 453 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: real curious to see what the league does with that, 454 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: because that is you know, teams are always you know, 455 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: accused of sitting guys to tank at the end of 456 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: the season. Obviously, we had the situation in Dallas where 457 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, the MAVs were dinged seven hundred and fifty 458 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: thousand for what happened in their last few games of 459 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: the season when you know, basically they held out a 460 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: slew of guys on it from the second to last 461 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: game of the season because they were clearly trying at 462 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: that point to hold on to the number ten pick, 463 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: which they did hold on to and was a huge 464 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,479 Speaker 1: part of their draftne And look, the reality is Portland 465 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: has done this two years in a row, two years 466 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: in a row. After the All Star Break, they've they've 467 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: taken this course to try to play for a pick. 468 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: And but but your story is shining a major spotlight 469 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: on it with that passage. 470 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, multiple teams operate like that. 471 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: Yep, no question. It's by no means just Portland, just Dallas. 472 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: But all I'm saying is the league when it's when 473 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: when a spotlight gets on a situation, that's typically when 474 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: the league feels the need to step in. So I 475 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: wonder you know, and I'm trying to scroll here to 476 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: get to this here. This is what you wrote. This 477 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: is this is in Chris's peace. According to sources, Portland 478 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: had asked Lillard to sit out the final ten games 479 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty two to twenty three regular season 480 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: to help the franchise improve its lottery odds. He was 481 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: told the higher the draft pick, the better chance they 482 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: had using the pick to facilitate a trade for a 483 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: proven veteran player. He reluctantly acquiesced to being shut down, 484 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: citing a quote calf injury end quote. Portland went one 485 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: to nine to finish the season and would go on 486 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: to win the number three pick and select Scoot Henderson, 487 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: a promising young point guard the team planned to keep. 488 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: So again, when it when it is spotlighted in that manner, 489 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: I don't think we've heard the last of this. 490 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see, we'll see. But it's just that I 491 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: think covering, you know, covering the Portland Trail Blazers and 492 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,239 Speaker 2: covering Damian Lillard. You know, he's arguably regarded as you know, 493 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: the the best Trailblazer of all time, and not just 494 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: talent wise or even even accomplishment wise, just what he 495 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: meant to that organization. He repped them like no other 496 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: player has repped that city, in that organization, and he 497 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: wanted and the things start. The thing that hurts with 498 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: him is, you know, his his words are genuine, they're real. 499 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 2: He wanted to win there. He did everything he could 500 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: to try to recruit some of the best players out there. 501 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: He just could not get players to come to Portland 502 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 2: like he tried. He tried, you know, just think, you know, 503 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: think about Yiannis. Somebody like Giannis Yannis wanted to play. 504 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: Dame was the guy he really wanted to play with. 505 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: You know, had they been in a in another city, 506 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: some other attractive market, they they probably would have connected 507 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: somewhere else. But it was just it was hard, and 508 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: Dame didn't mind it being hard. He wanted to stick 509 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 2: it through all he All he asked was that the 510 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: organization tries to do what they can to have that 511 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 2: same level of commitment to reach the promise land that 512 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: he had. And over the last couple of years, he 513 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: you know, he finally realized that they weren't on the 514 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 2: same page. And so that's what and I brought all 515 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: that stuff up about the you know, him sitting out 516 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: the regular season and you know, with the promise that 517 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 2: they would use that that pick that high picked to 518 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: go after a veteran guy, which they did, and they 519 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: they kind of told everyone right away that they were 520 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 2: keeping that pick. So you know, that's why he felt mislayed. 521 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: And that's what, you know, a culmination of those things 522 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: of what led to him asking out in the first place. 523 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: So in my story today, which wasn't even a fraction 524 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: as good as yours, but I did earlier today kind 525 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: of try to break down the trade in terms of 526 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: looking at the five teams that I most closely associated 527 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: with this trade. Obviously, you've got the three that actually 528 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: did the trade, Milwaukee, Portland, and Phoenix. And then the 529 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: two teams who were the most talked about suitors until 530 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: Dame actually landed in Milwaukee, and that would be Miami, 531 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: the team he wanted to go to, and then Toronto, 532 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: which their interest in Dame has it really did generate 533 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: the most media coverage over the past week until the 534 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: actual trade came to fruition. So in that piece, I wrote, 535 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: and I'm certainly I don't think I'm the only one 536 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: saying this, that Portland will be judged on how it 537 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: really did in this trade. I think we have to 538 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: see what happens with Drew Holliday and what they get 539 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: for holiday to fully gauge the package and you know 540 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: how much what kind of you know, we need to 541 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: know the full return before we can we can try 542 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: to grade what they've done here. But look, Dame himself, 543 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: in his in his thank you farewell said you know, 544 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: he acknowledges that he he definitely broke some hearts in 545 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: Rip City by asking to be traded and trying to 546 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: get to Miami. And you know, he asked the question, 547 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: will he will you know, will he be forgiven? He will? Right? 548 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean Blazers fans will, I mean, they will get 549 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: past this, don't you think? 550 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, time, time, heels, time hills, all wounds, that's part 551 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: of it, you know. I mean it's rare that a 552 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: franchise player stays with that team the duration of his 553 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 2: career is rare. 554 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: But you know me, I'm a bas I'm a basketball 555 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: romantic who roots, who roots for these things. So I 556 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: mean I did, I really did. I would have loved 557 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: to have seen it worked out and that he could 558 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: have stayed there and you know, tried to try to 559 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: win that championship there. But I mean the situation he's 560 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: going to, I mean, is is is as fascinating as 561 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: it gets it. 562 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 2: You know, I told him Stein, I was like, man, like, yes, 563 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 2: I know you won in Miami and for many ways, 564 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: for many, for many reasons, I won in Miami. 565 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: To yeah, you are going to get your You're going 566 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: to get your little new apartment in on South Beach. 567 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: And now are you are you gonna become a part 568 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: Are you becoming a part time Milwaukee resident? Is that 569 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: part of this trade? 570 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: I'll say this. I'll be in Milwaukee this weekend. I'll 571 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 2: say that. 572 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: So are you? Have you switched to Bucks Media Day? 573 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: Now? Yes? 574 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: Bucks me break news. Chris Haynes is covering Bucks. What 575 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: were you supposed to do initially? 576 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 2: Lakers? 577 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: Look at that. That's the big that's Thursday's trade, Lakers 578 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: media day for Bucks Media Day, Chris Haynes. 579 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 2: I gotta be there. I gotta be there. You know, 580 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: we weren't. 581 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't blame you before. 582 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 2: So we had about we had about you know, we 583 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: had about seven reporters all dispersed out to the I 584 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 2: would say, probably what the juiciest what's going to be 585 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: the juiciest media days? You know, whether that storylines or 586 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: just star players that you have to go cover. We 587 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 2: didn't have Milwaukee. We were not scheduled to be in Milwaukee. 588 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: And so when really, even even after all all of 589 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: Giannis's comments this. 590 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 2: This summer, no, well, yeah we weren't. Yeah, we were 591 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 2: not scheduled. We weren't scheduled to be in Milwaukee. So 592 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 2: I've been reassigned. So I tell you so, I don't know. 593 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to give too much because you know 594 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 2: that I don't think that would be right. But there's 595 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 2: a team that's going to get left out this equation, 596 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 2: and I have a pretty good idea what team that's 597 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 2: going to be. So I'll say this so before I'll 598 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: probably get myself in trouble. It was so well, I 599 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 2: I was gonna I didn't give it too much, but uh, 600 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 2: you know, we were going to be in Memphis, Sacramento, Philly, Lakers, Sons, 601 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: Golden State, Boston. Those are the teams. So out of 602 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 2: those teams, who do you think is probably getting getting 603 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 2: yanked now that I'm going from l A to Milwaukee. 604 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: I don't know, but. 605 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 1: It's Memphis, Memphis, Sack, Philly, Boston Lakers, and who else? 606 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 2: War Warriors, Sacramento. 607 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: I already had sacriment and and and yeah, the defending champs. 608 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: You probably need to cover Denver Warriors, Memphis, I'm gonna sack, Philly, 609 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: Boston Lakers. I'm gonna say Sack is gonna get bumped off. 610 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 2: I don't know your. 611 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,240 Speaker 1: Hometown Kings oh Man, Is Mike Brown gonna be upset? 612 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: Mike Brown is not. Mike Brown is going to be 613 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: downloading this pod Friday morning. He is going to be 614 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: calling you. 615 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 2: I was with Mike yesterday. Last night we went with 616 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 2: a comedy. 617 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,399 Speaker 1: So last night I'm not liking the King's chances. That's 618 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Let's let's talk about the basketball for 619 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: a second. Mhm. Is Milwaukee the favorites in the East? 620 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: Now they are? 621 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 2: For me? Yeah, favorites in the East? Yeah, for sure? 622 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 2: For sure. Stein he didn't it didn't lose my much. 623 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 2: They didn't. They didn't. They didn't. You know, you can 624 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 2: make the case they didn't lose much at all. You know, 625 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 2: Like Dame is ready, like Dame is going to be 626 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 2: And it's crazy, I noticed to be true, but to 627 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 2: hear Dame tell me, you know, it's in the story, 628 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 2: you know, to have a He's he's thrilled to have 629 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 2: the opportunity to play with somebody better than him. And 630 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 2: I've never heard him say that before. Like, and we know, 631 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 2: you know, Giannie is a two times or three time 632 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 2: MVP two time Believe right, two times in. 633 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: Two time regular season, one time in the. 634 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: Final Yeah, and you know, I mean, you know that stuff, 635 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 2: but it's like it kind of really hits you, like Dame, like, dang, 636 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 2: this is something different. And so no, they're the favorites, man, 637 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 2: and Dame is going to spread that floor. They're going 638 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 2: to have so much room to operate. Yannest is going 639 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: to be able to do his thing, Chris Milton's going 640 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 2: to get so many open shots. It's going to it's 641 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 2: going to be chaos. It's going to be chaos. They're 642 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 2: definitely the favorites in the East and too, I would 643 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 2: I would say probably even the favorites in the entire league. 644 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean, they're losing Holiday is going to 645 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: be a big blow and there's no question that that's 646 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: going to change this team in a dramatic way. But 647 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: I I am a believer that what Dame brings offensively, 648 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: how dynamic he is offensively, is going to offset some 649 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: of what they're losing defensively, because that that's thing. Giannis 650 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: and Dame are going to co carry this team and 651 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: neither one has ever had that opportunity to co carry 652 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: a team, and that should make them incredibly dangerous. And 653 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: when when the Bucks have flamed out in the playoffs. 654 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: Offense grind you know, offense in the grindy conditions of 655 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: playoff bastball. That's been the problem. 656 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 2: Yep, you're right right. 657 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: And Philly, Philly, with Harden still there, crazy uncertain what 658 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna see out of the Sixers. Miami, they didn't 659 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: trade for Bradley Beal. They we were told at the 660 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: time they were saving all their best chips for Lillard. 661 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: They didn't get Dame Lillard. Now the Heat will tell 662 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: you they didn't have a chance to get Dame Lillard, 663 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: and Dame's agent Aaron Goodwin has gone on record is 664 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: basically saying the Heat didn't even have a chance to 665 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: properly negotiate. But whatever the circumstances, the Heat have lost 666 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: Gay Vincent, they've lost Max Strus, and they weren't able 667 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: to make a big trade. They've taken a step back. 668 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: And Boston there's a lot of uncertainty, you know, there's 669 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: a lot of They they made a bold move too 670 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: to bring in Porzingis, but moving on from Marcus Smart 671 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: and Grant Williams, you know they're gonna be going through 672 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: a transition too. So the East is there for Milwaukee's 673 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: taking for sure. 674 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,320 Speaker 2: For sure, I'm excited to see it all, excited to 675 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,959 Speaker 2: see that all play. And obviously, you know that's Dame 676 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 2: is my guy. I'm very happy for him. And that's 677 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 2: what I was trying to say early on, is you know, 678 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 2: I know, you know, I told him, I know Miami 679 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 2: was your your spot, but you probably ended up in 680 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 2: the best scenario possible. When you're talking about just basketball, 681 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 2: that team, from top to bottom, they are stacked great 682 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 2: role players, Jay Crowder, Malik Beasley, Bobby Portis, you know, 683 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 2: you got the Lopez Twins, like Chris Miller, like this 684 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 2: is a you know, he teams back up with his 685 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 2: former teammate pet Conneton you know who started off in Portland. 686 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,359 Speaker 2: They're going to be really good, really really good. And 687 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 2: so I'm happy that he's going to have the opportunity 688 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 2: to actually play on the big stage. 689 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: Let's talk before we go, and look, this is just 690 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: podcast one of this is this is a trade with 691 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: so many, such far reaching impact. We're gonna be talking 692 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: about this trade for months and in different ways. And look, 693 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: if you're I mean you're going to Milwaukee, I'm gonna 694 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: want to hear all about that trip as soon as 695 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: soon as we can pin you down in a corner 696 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: after that one, because you're going right to you know 697 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: you're going to be there from from day one of 698 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 1: that thing. Like we said Portland, we got to take 699 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: a step back and it'll be easier to assess how 700 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: the Blazers did in this trade when we know exactly 701 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: what they get for Drew Holiday. So let's look at Phoenix, 702 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: a team that you know very well. How do you 703 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: you know Phoenix's involvement here to ship out Ayton, to 704 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: bring in use of Nurkics, to basically turn aighton into 705 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: three or four contracts to address their depth. What do 706 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: you think about what the Suns did here in participating 707 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: in this? 708 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 2: And didn't we do a pod? Uh? You know I'm 709 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 2: getting old. I'm forty two now. We did a part. 710 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 2: We did a pod on Phoenix's potential involvement last week? 711 00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 2: Did we not? Man? Did we we are click at 712 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 2: allso of this stuff? 713 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't think I think you are. I think I 714 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 1: think you imagine this. 715 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 2: Maybe you saw last episode. 716 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 1: Producer, Ryan, did we talk at length about Phoenix jumping 717 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: into this? I don't think we did this? 718 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 2: Ryan, Our producer. 719 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: Last episode, No, last episode was the Tylu interview. 720 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 2: Prior to that was the last episode Wow. 721 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: Prior to that it was you did a little bit 722 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: on the Yannis reaction, and then before that it was 723 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: Mark Spears. I think, I think, I think, I think 724 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: this was one of your many media appearances away from 725 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: this podcast. 726 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 2: You know, I don't do many appearances outside. 727 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: I saw a Sacramento radio station got you on the 728 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: air recently. 729 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 2: Was that? Yeah, I did. I did do that? You 730 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 2: got me there? Did I say anything about that there? Yeah? 731 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 2: I did. I did. That's what it was. I talked 732 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 2: about it there. Okay, so Phoenix was thank you, producer, Ryan. 733 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 2: You know, when you got two old heads up here, 734 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 2: sometimes the youngsters have to jump in and remind us 735 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 2: where we left off. 736 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: At one old head and one senior citizen. 737 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 2: Oh man, oh speaking of senior citizens, Din, just realize, man, 738 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 2: you know, I've been playing basketball four days a week. 739 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 2: I'm in two basketball leagues. My left knee has been 740 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 2: killing me over the past month, and I'm not good 741 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 2: with going in getting checked, but it's just it been 742 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 2: killing me. I mean, it's not like really stopping me 743 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 2: one hundred percent from doing what I gotta do. But 744 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 2: it's just pain I gotta go through. I've never had 745 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 2: a surgery, never had anything like that before. So I 746 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 2: decided to get checked out this week, get the knee 747 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,479 Speaker 2: X ray. I thought I was gonna need an mri 748 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,919 Speaker 2: X ray. Revealed that I've lost cartilage in my left 749 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 2: knee and I'm experiencing our for arthritis and it's not 750 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 2: bone to bone in that left and I have a 751 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 2: little bit of cartless left. And he said, he said, 752 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 2: what you can do? He says, really nothing you can 753 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 2: do to repair it, but you can go get those 754 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:20,719 Speaker 2: PRP injections or stem cell injections or get steroid injections. 755 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 2: And I'm like, wow, this is what has come to 756 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,800 Speaker 2: and so I'm actually thinking start. He was like, So 757 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 2: I called Jared Jefferies, you know who is a works 758 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,720 Speaker 2: in the front office of the different Nuggets. I covered 759 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 2: him in Portland because I remember he got PRP injection 760 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 2: when he was in Portland. And so I'm on the 761 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 2: phone with him and I was like, Hey, what would 762 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 2: you recommend? He said, no, get the stem cell injection. 763 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,840 Speaker 2: He's like, you make enough money where you can go 764 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 2: to Europe and go get that and I'm like, okay, 765 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 2: so how much does that cost? He said about fifteen 766 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 2: twenty thousand. I'm like, man, you I'm like, you crazy man, 767 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 2: And then I start thinking I'm crazy, Like I'm actually 768 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 2: thinking I'm athlete, Like this is like this procedure is 769 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 2: necessary for me. 770 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: You need to get you need you need to go 771 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: to Germany and get one of these. Well, don't you 772 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: want to bring don't you want to bring the media 773 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: game back? This summer? You didn't bring the you didn't 774 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: bring the media game back. 775 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's that's I can. I can tolerate 776 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 2: in the game once a year, you know what I mean? Like, 777 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 2: I'm actually really contemplating going to Mexico or going to 778 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 2: Germany to get some type of procedure as if I 779 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 2: got to play eighty two games. 780 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna do a pod on that too 781 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:35,840 Speaker 1: if you do that. But yeah, you before you answer 782 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: this son's question, can you still dunk? 783 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 2: Yes? I can still dunk. I can still do just. 784 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: Making sure just making sure that half, making sure that 785 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: half of this podcast duo can still throw one down. 786 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll prove it to you if you need be. 787 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, with the Suns like they were waiting for 788 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 2: the Portland trail Blazers contacted them a few weeks ago, 789 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 2: might have been a little bit earlier than that, and 790 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 2: they threw out different scenarios of of what they might 791 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 2: be able to give Phoenix in return for DeAndre Ayton, 792 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 2: and Phoenix was always they were always, i would say, 793 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,720 Speaker 2: looking to n load Ayton, but they were very open 794 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 2: to moving Ayden, and they just felt like a use 795 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 2: of Nurkic bringing him on board because he's a guy 796 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 2: who who can initiate the offense from the top of 797 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 2: the key, dribble hand off, you know, give you pick, 798 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 2: could be nice, big screens at the top, one of 799 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,320 Speaker 2: the greatest screener, one of the greatest screeners we have 800 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 2: in this league. It's very underrated skill that he has 801 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 2: and nobody really knows about him, and he just works 802 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,839 Speaker 2: well with better players. And eighton is a guy who 803 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 2: is looking to to continue ascending in his talents in 804 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 2: the skill set once more of a role, and I 805 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 2: don't think he's going to get that. And I think 806 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 2: the Suns felt like they didn't know if Ayton will 807 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:12,319 Speaker 2: would accept favorably a more diminished role that centered primarily 808 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 2: on the defensive end. And so but one thing I know, Phoenix, 809 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 2: they they are they did want a point guard. I 810 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 2: know Phoenix gave Portland a list of names that would 811 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 2: suffice because they were they were not going to do 812 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 2: a Nurkic for Aydon swap. They wanted other pieces in return. 813 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,399 Speaker 2: And so you know, I don't think Phoenix is done, 814 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 2: you know, trying to find that backup point guard. That's 815 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 2: that's still something they lack on that squad. But I 816 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 2: was told that Phoenix was very interested in Kyle Lowry 817 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 2: and and I think that's why Dame always held out 818 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 2: hope that Portland at last minute will go back to 819 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 2: Miami with some potential offer on the table. And that 820 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 2: is something that was seeing Kyle Lowry to Phoenix, Phoenix 821 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 2: give Ayton to Portland, Nurkis to whatever, and so it 822 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,919 Speaker 2: just never panned out. But no, I like to move. 823 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 2: You know, I know Nurk is happy to be. He 824 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 2: loves the sun, and so I know that guy really good. 825 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 2: He loves the sun. So you get a lot of 826 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,880 Speaker 2: sun in Phoenix, So I know I know he's ecstatic 827 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,880 Speaker 2: about that opportunity. 828 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: All right, Everyone, like I said this is just our 829 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: first kind of look at this massive, massive trade. That 830 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: because again, because Chris Haynes is the world's foremost damologist, 831 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: this is by no means the last time that we're 832 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: going to put this trade and it's zillions of angles 833 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: under the microscope. We're gonna keep talking about it, keep 834 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: looking at it. And Yeah, if Chris Hanes is going 835 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: to Milwaukee for the first you know, the first, the 836 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: very first words of the Honest and Dame era, I mean, 837 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: like I said, I'm already curious about what you will 838 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,359 Speaker 1: learn and hear on that trip. 839 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 2: He's going to be I'm actually going to go a 840 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 2: little bit earlier now. So the books announced that they're 841 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 2: having a welcome rally, right yeah, on Saturday, and so 842 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:20,640 Speaker 2: you'll be. 843 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:21,279 Speaker 1: There for that too. 844 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna be there for that. 845 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: Go to Carsons for me. 846 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I went. I went the last time I was there. 847 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 2: And you like phenomenal, phenomenal, steak phenomenal, you know through 848 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:34,320 Speaker 2: your mouth. 849 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,280 Speaker 1: Go to Carsons. Text me a picture. I will be jealous. 850 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: I love Milwaukee, I really do. It's one of my 851 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: It's one of my sleeper cities. Yes, growing I always 852 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 1: have a good time when I go to Milwaukee. All right, everyone, 853 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 1: like I said, that does it for this edition of 854 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,359 Speaker 1: this league uncut. But the season is basically here. All 855 00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: thirty teams will be back to work as a Monday day, 856 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,160 Speaker 1: so we will be back to our twice a week 857 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,120 Speaker 1: podcast frequency very very soon, and you will be getting 858 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: all kinds of stories about Chris's travel, Chris's knees, Chris's 859 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,160 Speaker 1: rec league stats, which I'm going to be working to obtain. 860 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 2: Let's keep it at knee style, knee singular not plural. 861 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 2: Don't say knees. 862 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,239 Speaker 1: Are you playing well? Are you at least playing well? 863 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 2: Sty I just finished a league in which I averaged 864 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 2: twenty three points a game in this league? How many 865 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:34,719 Speaker 2: say it will man? 866 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: How many assists? 867 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give my five or six assists, you know 868 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,839 Speaker 2: what the yeah, I'll look for my teammates. I look 869 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,720 Speaker 2: for my teammates. Stein, But it really hit me Steyn, 870 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 2: like I'm really I'm facing a little bit of depression 871 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 2: because there's only there's only so much longer that I 872 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,400 Speaker 2: have left to dunk the ball. And I really like that, 873 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 2: I really hold that dearly to be able to I've 874 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 2: been doing. I've been dunking the ball since I was fifteen. Yeah, 875 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,239 Speaker 2: I can't dunk it like I used to anymore. But 876 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 2: time is catching up. Starn timeout a time. It captures everybody, 877 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 2: and right now it has my need. 878 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: Man, you are all over the place, all right. I 879 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 1: think we did it. This was a good first effort 880 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,000 Speaker 1: in our attempts to capture all things Dame Lillard to 881 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks. We will be back soon with more. 882 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 1: The season is here, this league uncut back in your 883 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: podcast app wherever you get your podcast, Apple, Spotify, you 884 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 1: name it, it's there. Please if you would be so 885 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 1: kind to give us a five star rating, we would 886 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 1: be hugely appreciative. And like I said, we will be 887 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: back soon with more of this league uncut. And yes, everyone, 888 00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: let's rejoice the NBA's seventy eight season has arrived and 889 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,879 Speaker 1: that I'll do it for us. See you next time. 890 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,759 Speaker 1: This league and cuttage an iHeartRadio Production put a lock up. 891 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,320 Speaker 1: Chris Haynes and Mark Stein