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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: Mom Never told You, production of I Heart Radio's House

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Speaker 1: Step Works. This episode was inspired by a recent news

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Speaker 1: story that made the rounds when Vanah White was going

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Speaker 1: to host guest host Wheel of Fortune for three weeks.

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Speaker 1: It was all over um, and it got me thinking

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Speaker 1: about female game show host, which is yeah, which is

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Speaker 1: not very hard of no, And that's why I immediately

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Speaker 1: looked to make sure no one had done this episode previously,

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Speaker 1: because I couldn't really think of any. And there are

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Speaker 1: some and we're gonna talk about them for sure. And

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Speaker 1: if you're not really familiar with Will of Fortunate, Vanna White,

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Speaker 1: Vana White is a household name, of course for a

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Speaker 1: lot of people. She is the person who flips the

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Speaker 1: letters traditionally around Yes. Since she's usually in a long

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Speaker 1: cocktail dress, she's been featured in many rap songs. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and this isn't the first time, um, she's covered for hosts.

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Speaker 1: Pat Sage actually has been doing this since that's about

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Speaker 1: thirty seven years um. Once he when he had laryngitis,

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Speaker 1: she stepped in. In interviews, she said about this whole

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Speaker 1: recent guest hosting thing, she was given thirty minutes warning

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Speaker 1: before she had to go out and host the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: She described it as pure panic. She once said she

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Speaker 1: does not feel lower than Pat say Jack, but equal

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Speaker 1: to him. And if you're wondering, Wheel of Fortune is

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Speaker 1: the longest running syndicated game show of all time. So

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Speaker 1: when she was hosting, was someone else there to flip

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Speaker 1: the letters? Yes? So at first it was I believe

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Speaker 1: Mickey and Minnie Mouse. It might have just been many Mouse. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I do remember saying those. Okay, And now it's Pat

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Speaker 1: Sajack's daughter, or most recently was Pat say Jack's daughter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I got to think I got curious about this.

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Speaker 1: Pat Sajack makes fifteen million dollars a year versus ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars for Vanna White. I mean, that's a lot

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Speaker 1: of money. That it's a lot of money, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's definitely a big discrepancy for sure. Are you a

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Speaker 1: big game show persons? I'm not. I mean I do

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Speaker 1: have the memories of watching them with my grandparents. I

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Speaker 1: just I think I'm just too bored. I don't want

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Speaker 1: last one I did watch was when my friend actually

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Speaker 1: one on Jeffary. We had a little viewing party for

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Speaker 1: and she won. We're like, yeah, I'll ask was like,

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Speaker 1: where's the money? I didn't do with that money? Did

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Speaker 1: the wall? Where you get the money? But yeah, interesting.

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Speaker 1: She was able to give me a little behind the

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Speaker 1: they had to get ready recording. She had been auditioning

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Speaker 1: for years. Yeah, and she is that person. So I

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Speaker 1: because she is the random facts girl for sure. For sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was looking at the Jeopardy website doing research for

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Speaker 1: this episode, and I'm definitely going to take the test.

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Speaker 1: You can take the test on I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: do anything after that. I'm just curious. But it is

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Speaker 1: a very well kept website. And also, Samantha, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you knew this. I was on high were

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Speaker 1: you or you remember those Saturday Morning This was a

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Speaker 1: high school based trivia show, right pretty much any school

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Speaker 1: can get on there, but I was on there. Well

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Speaker 1: did you win? Yes? And there was a question about

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Speaker 1: Michelle Fifers Catlan. I actually remember that around I did

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Speaker 1: not get it back. One of the dudes on the

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Speaker 1: team of course they did. Yes, I really only ever

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Speaker 1: got into whose line is it? Anyway? And I guess

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Speaker 1: when I had access to cable either through friends or family. Um,

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Speaker 1: the definition that we're using. It's actually more complex than

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Speaker 1: I thought. Are not more maybe it's just more simple.

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Speaker 1: But speaking of let's let's look at the definition. Basically,

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Speaker 1: it's a televised game with multiple contestants. These contestants are

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Speaker 1: frequently quote average people from Marion Webster, a television program

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Speaker 1: on which contestants compete for prizes in a game such

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Speaker 1: as a quiz. Right. Some people include reality shows like

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Speaker 1: so you Think you Can Dance, But that's more of

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Speaker 1: I kept thinking of all these shows, right, they're not

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Speaker 1: really game shows in that level. So we're focusing primarily

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Speaker 1: experience a meteoric rise until several quiz shows were implicated

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Speaker 1: in a series of scandals in nineteen fifty nine in

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Speaker 1: which producers were giving contestants the answers to up the

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Speaker 1: drama because you know, you gotta have that drama. There

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Speaker 1: was a gran jury and congressional hearing and everything. Panel

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Speaker 1: shows survived the scandal and came out on the other

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Speaker 1: a nineteen four Supreme Court ruling an sec versus American

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Speaker 1: Broadcasting Company, Inc. That giveaways weren't gabling, opening the door

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Speaker 1: Prior to this scandal, one popular contestants, psychologist Dr Joyce Brothers,

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Speaker 1: the sixty four thousand dollar question and the show that

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Speaker 1: this in part by reading twenty encyclopedias about boxing twenty,

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Speaker 1: novelty category. She beat out actual boxers with her knowledge

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Speaker 1: find questions that would stump her, but she won anyway.

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Speaker 1: They tried to cheat, and she in her way. She

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Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien. She is somebody. Suspicion around quiz shows lingered

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Speaker 1: And thus Jeopardy was born. Yes, so, in the wake

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Speaker 1: Wants to Be a Millionaire? I remember, several are being

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Speaker 1: course some shows never went away. Speaking of Jeopardy, this

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Speaker 1: Which have you seen the commercials as they're walking, the

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Speaker 1: name is Samantha, Hi, my name is Annie. I do

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Speaker 1: that all the time? It wasn't like also kind of

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Speaker 1: a question. Yes, So another study found women take fewer

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Speaker 1: fourteen percent of the time in two thousand four. In

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Speaker 1: women have won six consecutive jeopardies as opposed to twenty men. Wow,

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Speaker 1: yeah that's a lot. Yeah. Game shows made one billion

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Speaker 1: look at um some of the UK game shows, it's

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Speaker 1: incause Lincoln example, we have but everybody tells me about

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Speaker 1: the Great British bake Off that they're so nice and

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Speaker 1: that's why they like Then I researched and told you

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Speaker 1: they only get flowers and recognition. Yes, but like if

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Speaker 1: you do as we were talking about Top Chef five

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Speaker 1: thousand in each gate each episode, you probably want either

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Speaker 1: a car or ten thousand extra dollars or a trip

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Speaker 1: to Spain. So it's kind of giant amounts of money. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but to be fair, I think they have more sponsors

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Speaker 1: if you watch British bake Off versus Top Chef, like

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Speaker 1: Top Chef is like sponsored by Serene rap people. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember, but I was glad. Yes, there you go

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Speaker 1: a lot of glad things having recently, it used to

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Speaker 1: that is a world I will probably research, even though

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Speaker 1: I don't have time to do anything and work right now,

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Speaker 1: but probably do it. We do have one more thing

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Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about when it comes to women

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Speaker 1: in game shows, but first we have one more group

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Speaker 1: break for word for a sponsor and we're back, Thank

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Speaker 1: you sponsor. Before we close out, we did want to

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Speaker 1: touch on something called the Monty Hall problem. So imagine

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Speaker 1: this scenario. You are on a game show with three doors.

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Speaker 1: Behind one of the numbered doors is a new car.

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Speaker 1: Behind the other two goats. You choose door number one.

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Speaker 1: The host, Monty, who knows what's behind all the doors,

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Speaker 1: opens door number two, revealing a goat. Then he asked you,

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Speaker 1: if you want to switch doors, what do you do? Well,

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Speaker 1: this might seem like a simple thing. Most people would

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Speaker 1: say it's it doesn't really matter, but they're our whole

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Speaker 1: books that have been written about this, And if you're

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Speaker 1: wondering why we're talking about it, we've got to talk

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Speaker 1: about Marylyn Voss Savant, a child prodigy born in Missouri,

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Speaker 1: in nine. Seriously, the Guinnest Book of World Records awarded

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Speaker 1: her for having the world's highest i Q, and she

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Speaker 1: was known as the world's smartest woman. Perhaps worth noting

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Speaker 1: she does not think the i Q test necessarily is

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Speaker 1: a good measure of i Q. But she's smart. She's

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Speaker 1: very smart. Parade magazine offered her a full time gig,

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Speaker 1: and she created a column called Ask Maryland, which was

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Speaker 1: a weekly column where people could write in with academic

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Speaker 1: questions or puzzles and she would answer them. A reader

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Speaker 1: wrote in about the Monty Hall problem. Basically, given that

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Speaker 1: scenario that we just discussed, should you switch doors? She

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Speaker 1: answered it in her column, probably thinking nothing of it,

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Speaker 1: just another day answering this question. And yeah, while most

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Speaker 1: people assume it doesn't really matter because your chances are

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Speaker 1: now fifty, it's actually better to switch. There's a one

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Speaker 1: third chance of winning by staying with the same door,

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Speaker 1: and a two thirds chance of winning if you switch,

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Speaker 1: she politely explained. Then came over ten thousand letters claiming

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Speaker 1: she was stupid, several from scholars and PhDs. She was

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Speaker 1: called names and assailed with gender stereotypes. Here's a taste

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Speaker 1: of some of the letters. She received again world's smartest

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Speaker 1: woman providing the correct answer, and also shout out to

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Speaker 1: Prisonomics for this roundup of letters. Example number one, you

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Speaker 1: blew it and you blew it big, since you seem

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Speaker 1: to have a difficulty grasping the basic principle at work here,

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Speaker 1: Alice Lane, after the host reveals a goat, you know

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Speaker 1: you have one in two chances of being correct. Whether

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Speaker 1: you change your selection or not, the odds are the same.

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Speaker 1: There's enough mathematical and literacy in this country, and we

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Speaker 1: don't need the world's highest i Q propagating more shame

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Speaker 1: exclamation point from Scott Smith, PhD at the University of Florida.

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Speaker 1: And here's another. May I suggest that you obtain and

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Speaker 1: refer to a standard textbook on probability before you try

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Speaker 1: to answer a question of this type again from Charles

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Speaker 1: read To, PhD, University of Florida to Florida. So here's

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Speaker 1: one from Georgia State University. I'm sure you will receive

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Speaker 1: many letters on the topic from high school and college students.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps you should keep a few addresses for help with

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Speaker 1: future columns. W Robert Smith, PhD. You are utterly incorrect

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Speaker 1: about the game show question. And I hope this controversy

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Speaker 1: will call some public attention to the serious national crisis

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Speaker 1: and mathematical education. If you can admit your error, you

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Speaker 1: have contributed constructively towards the solution of a deplorable situation.

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Speaker 1: How many I rate mathematicians are needed to get you

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Speaker 1: to change your mind? From Era Bo that's fantastic, So

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Speaker 1: another one. You made a mistake, But look at the

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Speaker 1: positive side. If all those PhD s were wrong, the

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Speaker 1: country would be in some very serious trouble. Everett Harmon PhD.

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Speaker 1: You as Army Research Institute. You are the goat from

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Speaker 1: Glenn Colkins, Western State College. I love that emphasis. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for that. Oh absolutely, Maybe women look at math

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Speaker 1: problems differently than men. From Don Edwards and Center River, Oregon.

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Speaker 1: So condescending and if you'll notice all men and the

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Speaker 1: follow out. She wrote three more columns about the Monty

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Speaker 1: Hall problem to prove that she was correct. Even over

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Speaker 1: a year later, people still doubted her, insulted her, and

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Speaker 1: questioned her intelligence, of course, and one man wrote in

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Speaker 1: I still think you're wrong. There's so such thing as

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Speaker 1: a female logic. Well, sure, if you're female and you

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Speaker 1: have logic or any type of thinking seal. Yes, sure, sure,

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Speaker 1: thanks for that. Yes, this did change over the years,

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Speaker 1: this kind of backlash, especially as computer models were built

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Speaker 1: that showed g was correct. It took computers. They took computers.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these academics wrote in admitted that they

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Speaker 1: had been wrong. But yeah, it took a computer for

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Speaker 1: people to believe the so called smartest woman in the world.

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Speaker 1: And all of this condescending, insulting, and almost triumphant nature

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Speaker 1: in their responses is very telling about how we view

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Speaker 1: women's intelligence, competence, and authority, especially in traditionally masculine fields

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Speaker 1: like math. Right, yeah, and um, if people right into

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Speaker 1: Tela's we're wrong about this, I'm going to break something. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And this is still a topic that is debated in

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Speaker 1: the academic community. Really, it seriously is, although largely in

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Speaker 1: terms of host psychology right as it should be talking

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Speaker 1: about the idea of man's plaining in general. Right before

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Speaker 1: and I think what we're gonna do if we do

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Speaker 1: get some more um conversations about the money halib yeah,

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Speaker 1: and and that it or wrong or that we're wrong. Um,

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Speaker 1: We're going to have a giant breaking everything party. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is our our warning to our boss. We're gone

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Speaker 1: all rage. Yeah, and I seriously I did read the

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Speaker 1: current arguments around it, and some of them espouse Essentially

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Speaker 1: what she was saying is correct, but for the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's the that's the way to clarify. She's

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Speaker 1: still wrong. She might be right, but she's still wrong.

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Speaker 1: You know. That's the tight rope that we walk. Of course,

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Speaker 1: of course, but that's what we have to say about

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Speaker 1: women and game shows in this really fascinating, surprisingly fascinating

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Speaker 1: world of game shows. It is, And if you have

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Speaker 1: been through that door, either working on one or competing

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Speaker 1: on one, or if you just have any game shows stories,

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Speaker 1: please send them to us. I really really enjoyed all

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Speaker 1: the researcher this one. You can email us at Stuff Media,

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Speaker 1: us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast or on Instagram

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