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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged. This episode has presented you by

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Speaker 1: Draft Kings. Crown is Yours. We've had some crazy NBA

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Speaker 1: news dropped this morning, so I had to call my

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Speaker 1: guy to help me break it down. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Mavericks, I know, right.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Mavericks went from the finals a year

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Speaker 1: and a half ago to the worst record in the

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Speaker 1: Western Conference right now. But let's keep it real. They're

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Speaker 1: missing two of the best players in the game, and

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Speaker 1: Kyrie and Anthony Davis. Obviously, Nico Harris was just fired.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on just this whole debacle that's

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Speaker 1: kind of been what Dallas is the last I'm.

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Speaker 2: Trying to figure out who personal feelings got hurt. Okay, right,

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Speaker 2: you know Nico's you know, he's he's been around the

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Speaker 2: game long enough to know there's a special talent in Luca.

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Speaker 2: He's been under rob he's been with Cole MJ. So listen,

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Speaker 2: we can blame them. We can blame them if we

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Speaker 2: want to. It's easy.

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Speaker 1: This is where I'm going.

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Speaker 2: You know. But to me, it seemed like this happened.

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Speaker 2: You get a new owner, the owner wants Luca to

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Speaker 2: bend Innee that's his organization. No, no, no, that's Luca's organization.

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Speaker 2: You bought it. But those people around there know him.

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Speaker 2: Those people around there cheer for him. You coming in,

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Speaker 2: you want him to ben He's not bend in. So

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Speaker 2: when the idea of trade comes, you're willing to do it. Right.

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Speaker 2: You try to make the trade for Anthony Edwards for him,

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Speaker 2: they said no. Then you threw it to Spurs for Wenby.

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Speaker 2: They said no. And then you threw it to the Lakers,

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Speaker 2: and they're like, wait, hold on, wait a minute. If

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Speaker 2: you think about this, and then you guys in up

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Speaker 2: making that pool and it's crazy. The owner came out

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Speaker 2: and the owner gave us the The excuse is that

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Speaker 2: we ran what came from him. It didn't come from NiCoT,

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Speaker 2: came from the owner. Right. You know, Oh he's fat,

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Speaker 2: he's out of shape, he's this is that, and the

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Speaker 2: public ran with it. He was twenty eight and eight

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Speaker 2: when he when he was fat, So what you'll think

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Speaker 2: was gonna happen when he got skinny.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take we're gonna take a look at the timeline.

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Speaker 1: But I said from the beginning, and correct me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. We've been in this game long enough. A

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Speaker 1: GM cannot trade a franchise player, can n franchise player.

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Speaker 1: I've been saying Nico was gonna be the Skapeboilder, and

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Speaker 1: it's almost like and we're not sure, we're just speculating.

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Speaker 1: But he can't even really come out and speak on

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Speaker 1: it either because it could discredit him moving. You know,

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Speaker 1: you he just has to take this ship on the cham.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you you got paid. This is what you

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Speaker 2: got paid to do.

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Speaker 1: Remember he got an extension going into the final, and

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Speaker 1: when the team was going into the finals, you.

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Speaker 2: Ask it paid to sit in that stand? Why they

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Speaker 2: yell death threats? You gotta sit there with that stressful

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Speaker 2: look on his face because that's what your job is.

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Speaker 2: Your job is if I make a bad decision, you

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Speaker 2: take you take it right, and you know that's just

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Speaker 2: the way the game goes. But you know that guy

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Speaker 2: still got you to the finals. Right, you made a trade,

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Speaker 2: you got a d you re sign Kyrie, you got

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Speaker 2: the number one pick. So you're gonna blame Ad being

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Speaker 2: fat on him? Right? You know if you look at

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Speaker 2: Ad right now, you know, look like he gained a

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Speaker 2: lot of weight. Is that his fault too, Like the

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Speaker 2: record three and eight because you don't have your best players,

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Speaker 2: that's his fault too.

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Speaker 1: Like it just is I mean my question to you,

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Speaker 1: and I think we know the answer. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you have a healthy Dallas team, Nico still has a job.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there's no questions.

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Speaker 2: That's why I said, you can't blame the circumstances, like

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Speaker 2: you guys made this trade Cooper flag a d Kyrie's there.

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Speaker 2: That is a championship contender team. So what he did

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Speaker 2: was great. I mean it was great, l A. You know,

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Speaker 2: we not mad at Niko. I mean he got he

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Speaker 2: can have a job here. You know, we we better

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Speaker 2: hire room.

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Speaker 1: And someone tell me they're building a Nico statue in

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Speaker 2: They should, yeah, they should. I mean it's it's one

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Speaker 2: of those moves where listen, it's it's the move la

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Speaker 2: Lakers always seems to get.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy throughout history, right, you know, it just seems

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Speaker 1: like handshaking.

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Speaker 2: When there's a superstar need to be got, we get them,

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Speaker 2: you know, and it's you know, magic Shack, you know,

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Speaker 2: a d like we get our guy when Plinka hit Nico.

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Speaker 2: I know, listen, I know it can't. You can't, you

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Speaker 2: can't be just outright. I know you want to wait

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Speaker 2: a couple of months, maybe next year, so it don't

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Speaker 2: seem like but at this point you might as well

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Speaker 2: just be just just.

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Speaker 1: I got some for the next game.

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Speaker 2: He's at the gym. Hey just might as well throw

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Speaker 2: it in everybody's face at this point.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the timeline. December twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: Mark Cuban sells the team to the Addison family. The

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Speaker 1: initial report stated that Cuban would still be on for

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Speaker 1: basketball operational decisions. I guess there was a handshake situation

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Speaker 1: and that was the bullshit that didn't happen. So now,

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Speaker 1: after the season the MAVs went on to make the Finals.

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Speaker 1: Nico had put together that roster pretty much trading for Gafford, PJ. Washington, Kyrie,

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Speaker 1: drafted Lively. All those players were huge rotational pieces for

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Speaker 1: this team that made a run to the finals. But

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Speaker 1: in the midst of that, in their win now endeavors,

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Speaker 1: they gave away a lot of their first round picks.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a first round pick to win thirty.

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Speaker 2: They have the twenty twenty six pick this upcoming year,

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Speaker 2: and then twenty seven through thirty they do not have

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Speaker 2: a first pick.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, number one our first round pick this upcoming year,

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Speaker 1: and then they're off the board until damn thirty one

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Speaker 1: until my six year olds in high school. Dumont rewarded

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Speaker 1: in the midst of this, Dumont rewarded Nico a multi

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Speaker 1: year extension because he was doing his job. MAVs loves

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Speaker 1: to Boston in five. In the finals, Luca looks out

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Speaker 1: of shape. The media starts tearing ampart to your point,

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Speaker 1: and then things start getting funny. They were starting to

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Speaker 1: move shit around, letting them know that this is our team,

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Speaker 1: not your team, and to your point earlier, it's it's

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Speaker 1: always going to be the Stars team. So they start

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Speaker 1: moving stuff around. Remember Mike Finley snatched the beer out

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Speaker 1: of Luca's hands, and when he did that, I knew

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Speaker 1: shit was over. You can't snatch nothing from the don.

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Speaker 1: So twenty four to twenty five MAVs started about five hundred,

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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of finals residue. Twenty February comes

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Speaker 1: around and we see one of the craziest trades in

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Speaker 1: in a twenty nine first round pick. The thing was

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Speaker 1: crazy to me is how did they not get Austin

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Speaker 1: Reeves in there? How did they not slip him in there?

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Speaker 1: But a d and Austin Reeves would probably be a

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Speaker 2: Listen, this is this kind of sounded like that Boston

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Speaker 2: trade real one sided, right, It's like, you know, kg

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Speaker 2: ray Allen, it seemed real Boston, Like everybody involved was

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Speaker 2: Boston related, you know what I mean for that championship.

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Speaker 2: So it seemed like you get traded and then heightens

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Speaker 2: the Lakers. The Lakers sell naturally, everybody who benefited or

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Speaker 2: everybody who's in the league automatically benefits, right, So.

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Speaker 1: And I explain what you mean by that though.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the last team that sold was it was

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Speaker 2: it Dallas at four million or was it six six?

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Speaker 2: Six billions? So where they had Lakers at probably what

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Speaker 2: eight Their evaluation was that ten billion dollars when they

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Speaker 2: sold her be after Ball, after Boston, when they sold

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about, after Boston. After Boston, them

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Speaker 2: and the Knicks were like the top. Yeah, so like

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Speaker 2: like anything. There's there's a Peggan order on you know, franchises.

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Speaker 2: So New York Knicks and Lakers are top dogs and

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Speaker 2: everybody falls under. Right, So let's say you're an owner

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Speaker 2: and I come to you with a proposal and a

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Speaker 2: proposal sa, hey, I'm getting ready to sell. I need

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Speaker 2: your best player though, right If I get your best player,

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Speaker 2: it helps my franchise. I can move it for ten billion.

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Speaker 2: Right now, you're worked about what four I sell? You

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Speaker 2: automatically get the six seven automatically off the rip, or

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Speaker 2: you can you know, you can keep your guy. You

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Speaker 2: know what I mean? Why you you you ought because

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Speaker 2: you automatically. So when that trade happens, Now, if you

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Speaker 2: look at everyone's evaluation before that trade and.

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Speaker 1: After that trade looks very it looks like the whole league,

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Speaker 1: the number sheets looking.

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Speaker 2: Good, everybody's number sheets because he you know, it's just

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Speaker 2: a Peggan order. Everybody goes up, you knows, and that's.

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Speaker 1: Just the business of baskets.

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Speaker 2: Seven months after the Luca trade was this sale.

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Speaker 1: So obviously the trade happens, fire Nico becomes a phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: Fans are protesting outside the arena, bringing signs uh, he

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Speaker 1: But DeMont, I just don't like this guy. He goes

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Speaker 1: on the press tour and trying to justify and explaining

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Speaker 1: it to you. All the dirt that was throwing on

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Speaker 1: To me, it wasn't very professional, but I think what

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Speaker 1: he was to your point, it was they were trying

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Speaker 1: to make a splash and flex whose franchises was Because

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Speaker 1: you heard Mark Cuban come out a few times on

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Speaker 1: different shows like could have never let this happen. It's

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Speaker 1: Luca twenty six years old.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny. It's even when twenty five

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Speaker 2: years whenever chanting, you know, fire Nico, you always see

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Speaker 2: Mark Cuban like like you got the wrong right, you

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Speaker 2: got the wrong guy. It's not this guy. This is

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Speaker 2: more business man. They got rewarded.

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Speaker 1: They got the number one pick, which is crazy in itself.

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Speaker 2: Hey, they got number one pick.

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Speaker 1: It happens to team sometimes, like it does. It's a

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Speaker 1: certain teams somehow someway, when Chicago gets a d Rose

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like sometimes you know, you just buy

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Speaker 2: a new team and then within the first three years

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Speaker 2: you get a number one pick. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like welcome Listen.

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Speaker 1: You get a number one. It's like Oprah zol Show.

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Speaker 1: You get a number one one, you get a number

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Speaker 1: one pick? Are you gonna buy? I'll give you a

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Speaker 1: number one pick and thirty.

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Speaker 2: Thirty one listen. I know what people want to speculate.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, business business. Right,

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Speaker 2: If I'm running the NBA and I work for you,

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Speaker 2: and I convince you to buy this team, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: got a team for sale. Here, you buy it. You

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Speaker 2: know this is a good this is a good organization.

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Speaker 2: I treat everybody well. You know, you buy it for

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Speaker 2: this price. You know, and you know the balls might

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Speaker 2: bounce your way. Just no, it might bounce your way.

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Speaker 2: Youre getting number one pig and boom, you're just starting new.

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Speaker 2: It's a thing. I don't care what nobody's saying. If

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Speaker 2: I buy into your business, I better be rewarded. I

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Speaker 2: don't care how you do it. I there should be

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Speaker 2: a perk package, right, it is a perk package.

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Speaker 1: Amen?

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Speaker 1: Are we able to see the best Cooper? Because I

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Speaker 2: In the NBA. No, he's not gonna be a true one, right,

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Speaker 1: taking this time and being healthy. But if they can

432
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Speaker 1: get what they acquired on the court, this is this

433
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: is definitely a middle of the Western Conference team that

434
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: can get hot to make a run. So there ain't

435
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: no yeah.

436
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 2: Whoever the new gear general manager is when everybody get healthy,

437
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna get credit.

438
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: Like he did something the game it's the business.

439
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: You're the GM.

440
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: If Jumont hires both of you guys, what do you do?

441
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: What's what's the path forward? You stay patient, try and

442
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: get everyone healthy.

443
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they really have much to play with.

444
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: I mean, they have some assets to trade, but I

445
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: don't I think what they have a solid?

446
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 2: No, what they have a solid? I mean, you know,

447
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: Max Christy, you gotta you gotta see what these guys have, right,

448
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: you got them. He looked good last year, right, you know,

449
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: we thought he would get good minutes this year, so

450
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: you know, seeing what he can bring, seeing how to

451
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: put I mean, they got to figure out how to

452
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: get Clay.

453
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: And they don't have a point guard. They can get

454
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: him the ball though. I think Clay has always had

455
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: sets ran and opportunities and guys getting downhill and spraying.

456
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't really who does that out there on the court.

457
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: I got a question, I noticed how much of this?

458
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 3: How much is j Kidd involved in this new process

459
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: and making sure his team gets better and able to

460
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 3: get to get.

461
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 2: To the well.

462
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: I think to Gill's point, and it's great, his focus

463
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: right now is developing this number one pick a d

464
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: out Kyrie out. I'm gonna give you the kids and

465
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: see what you can do.

466
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to think about it from Jake kid point. Right.

467
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: He can only cook at you know what's at this table, right.

468
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: You know, I was planning on making the big things

469
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 2: given it's gonna be a good deal, but didn't come.

470
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: Befits didn't come.

471
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 2: So this is what I got for you. Yeah, I

472
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: guess some uh some some spam, some left over, you know.

473
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: So that's so he can only look at what he has.

474
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: And you know, he don't have Kyrie, he don't have

475
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: a D. So it's like, all right, you know what,

476
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: let me put you at the point. Let you get

477
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: pressured that you feel this pain now you're yeah, you know,

478
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's it's I can fast forward you.

479
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: So when these guys come back, you got a new

480
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: skill that you didn't have season.

481
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. Let's take a look at the beneficiaries

482
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: that we're able to trade for Luca. You're LA Lakers

483
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: minus Lebron, top three in the Western Conference through your

484
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: first ten games. This is a team that you stream

485
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: a lot. You know, an elephant in the room. Bron

486
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: hasn't played in. This team is eight and three. Lucas

487
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: at what thirty seven a game? Ar is at thirty

488
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: one a game? GM, Gilbert, what are we doing? We're

489
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: we looking Let's say at first I had if we

490
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: was five and five.

491
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, we did it right, we we

492
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: we didn't?

493
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: You know?

494
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: I mean, if you if you start looking at some

495
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: of them names, you were like, ooh, y'all, y'all playing

496
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: in the NBA right now, So you know, I mean,

497
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be if you look at it, you

498
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: just be like, yeah, it's gonna be a zero for

499
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: twelve start off. But you know, it just shows you

500
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: how gifted Luca, ar and some of these guys are

501
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: at making it look easy for some of the players

502
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: that we do have on this team, and it takes

503
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: pressure offle Lebron. Right, the more these guys can do,

504
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: the longer he can stay in the league. So if

505
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 2: he's playing on staying two to three years, them doing

506
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: the heavy lifting helps him out.

507
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: My question to you, though, is you've been a superstar

508
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: and then you've had to play with other superstars when

509
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: you weren't a superstar. Inserting Lebron back into this situation

510
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: is going to make everyone take a look just out

511
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,479
Speaker 1: of respect or however the game flows, They're not going

512
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: to be their normal self without them. You know, when

513
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: with a superstar out, things are different with another. With

514
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 1: the superstar returning, things get different. So I mean even

515
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: to Aiden, what is Aiden at seventeen and eight, I

516
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: mean that they've been waiting for this from him for

517
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: since he was in Phoenix. So if and when he's

518
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: going to return, when Lebron retured turns, how do you

519
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: feel like that chemistry and continuity, is it something Bron

520
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: can just step into and be more of an Olympic

521
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: Bron where he's a seventeen ten and nine guy facilitating

522
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: to all the little shit, or is he gonna What

523
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 1: do you feel inserting him back in this rotation?

524
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: Does I mean you can be the left corner of

525
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: the right corner? You know, don't work somewhere he wants

526
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: to be. But listen, last year when Luca got here,

527
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: people don't realize Luca led and points and rebounds and

528
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: assists wasn't Lebron. Right, Lebron got the easiest shot that

529
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: he's ever had, right because he used to get double

530
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: making his past. Now someone else is getting double and

531
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: they're rotating, and they're leading Lebron James open by himself

532
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: the league. You know what I mean, Like he's Mark,

533
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 2: You're smart. That's Lebron James right there. But because Luca

534
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: has all these little tricks and he's so tall you

535
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: you are forced to double him. You are forced to

536
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: double ar. Now Lebron James gets to walk to twenty three. Right,

537
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: So now you have three guys who IQ's are very high,

538
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: who all can play, make, who all can pass? Who

539
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: all can score?

540
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: Take the last shot?

541
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: Who all can take the last shot. So it's one

542
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: of those things where it depends on what Lebron wants.

543
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: You want another ring, This is your best opportunity.

544
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: If it was that saying being like being cool with

545
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: being the second or third wheel, He's.

546
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: The he's the he's when Luca came, he was the

547
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: second wheel, right because you you're just not You're just

548
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: it's young to be. If you are our number one option,

549
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 2: we're not that good no more. Right If our forty

550
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: one year old is out there trying to give us

551
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: thirty a night and control everything, we don't need it.

552
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: We need you to be twenty when we need you

553
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: to be twenty right, now, be forty one to sit

554
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 2: there and take some jumpers. He's your little layups, right,

555
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: you don't need to take all them hits. I can

556
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: take them hits a cake the hits.

557
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: Can he accept that?

558
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: Yes, we're acting like Lebron ain't being in the league

559
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: twenty something years.

560
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: Right.

561
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: He's played on every Olympic team, He's done, play with

562
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: every selfish like, he's done, did it all, and he

563
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: survived through everybody, like he's you know what I mean.

564
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: He's played on all the All Star Games, He's won

565
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: MVPs at All Star Games with the best talent in

566
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: the world, played with shocks and the like. He's done,

567
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: went through every single thing to the point where this

568
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: is easy for him. So it's like when we ask

569
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: these questions sometimes we're asking as if the guy were

570
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: saying can or cannot adapt. We're challenging their intelligence. It

571
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 2: seems like, you know what I mean, And he's an

572
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: intelligent player. So because he's an intelligent player, he's looking

573
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: at these guys, so he knows how to adapt. And

574
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: if winning is the thing, and winning a championship is

575
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: that goal, you know, he knows who needs to lead

576
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: it and who needs to finish it?

577
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: Elijah, what's going on with your son? He's had a

578
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: he's had a tough year. I mean, god, damn, y'all

579
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: been going through it. So obviously the crash and I

580
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: think we talked after that, right and then gets back

581
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: and then hurts yourself and now he missed And if

582
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: you don't I talked to him at a softball game

583
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: not too long ago. He ended up having two knee surgeries. Correct, Yeah,

584
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: So where is he at currently? Where we see him

585
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: at all this college season? Will he go to the

586
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: league after this city?

587
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: Like it was some it was weird. It was one

588
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: of those things where growing too fast and then cartilage

589
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: was gone to break off. It didn't break off, it

590
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: was gonna So they were like, you can play, and

591
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: you if you irritated, to just be irritated for a

592
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: couple of days or whatever, then you can do that.

593
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: It's going to break off at some point in your

594
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: cam so you know you don't want it to break

595
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: off before the drive in your first year, So get

596
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: it done. If we go in and we just sacrificed

597
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: the beginning of you know, this year, go in, screw

598
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: it in. Make sure it's all good to go and

599
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 2: then going about your career, so that that was the

600
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: toughest decision. Right, You're sitting.

601
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: There and how much as a dad, did your experience

602
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: because obviously you had your issues, did your experience way

603
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: on this because it's I'm sure he's getting a lot

604
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: of information from a lot of different people who haven't

605
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: been there. Yeah, so how much was this you and

606
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: him sitting down and kind of explaining that the marathon

607
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: picture not the sprint.

608
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had to talk to the doctors and

609
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: just just tell me, like, you know, everything that's going on,

610
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: you know, can you play right now? There's like yeah,

611
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: you know, like this looks like it's old. Like, okay,

612
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: what's the benefits? What's the he said, we if we

613
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: drill it in, you don't have to worry about it.

614
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: Break it off right now? We can't pull it off,

615
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean. So it's one of

616
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: those things where I have these it's going to break off,

617
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 2: but we don't know when, or let's just take care

618
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: of it now. And then he missed the beginning of

619
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: the season. Come back January February. See where he is.

620
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: If he's you know, healthy, do we into the draft, right,

621
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: So I told him, just like anything, do you do

622
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: your part right, eat right, take care of your body.

623
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: Don't sit there trying to come back too fast. If

624
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: they say January first, you're coming back at the end

625
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: of January, right, and then you can test the water

626
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: and into the draft. But that's not something that you

627
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: think about now. You have to wait until that time comes.

628
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: But right now, the most important thing is being healthy

629
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: and being patient. Right. You know, you're being punished, punished

630
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: because you're not patient.

631
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: How's his mental because obviously Carter pretty much fractures ankles

632
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: almost five months and he's just getting back down his

633
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: ship is a mental roller coaster. Obviously, Elijah's still going

634
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: through the process at practice, participating. I'm sure he's eager

635
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: to get out there, but understanding what the process is.

636
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 1: How is his mental being? Yeah? Same, I mean they

637
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: be talking on the phone and playing video games all

638
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: the time, so they probably got the same mental.

639
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: It's the same, you know, just like you know, any

640
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: any any kid or any Hooper that wants to be

641
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: out there game days and you sitting there watching knowing

642
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: you can kill you know, team losing it is gonna

643
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: go with you. So and you know anytime he's watching

644
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: the game itself or watching practice, obviously he's gonna get antsy.

645
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: So right now, you know he's training, you know, not

646
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: running or jumping, but you know he's he's back to moving,

647
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: lifting and all that.

648
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: So cool. We wish him the best. This freshman class

649
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: of college freshmen are really making noise this year with

650
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: Darren Peterson's AJ boozer.

651
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: What's the other?

652
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, what has been your thoughts? And these are

653
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: actually kids who are the right age, in the right grade.

654
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: We're seeing the NCAA do crazy shit get with twenty

655
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: seven and twenty eight year old twenty six year olds,

656
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: which is the whole other conversation. We could talk all

657
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: day about but clogging up the pipeline. But what have

658
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: you seen? How impressed have you been with this freshman

659
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: class that's in college right now?

660
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: This is a this is a talented like you know,

661
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: it's it comes in goals and this is one of

662
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: those ultra talented drafts. If all these kids come out.

663
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you have the kid from Tennessee, yeah, huh,

664
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: new Yort Nate right where. I don't know what he's

665
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: doing right now, but I don't care who the jem is.

666
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: He's top five, right, and then you have the I

667
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: don't know if you've seen the French kid. Oh my lord,

668
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: the six nine point guard, right, Luca is she I've

669
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: watched his movements. I'm like Jesus Christ, he's gonna come

670
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: into the draft. Yeah, so.

671
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: Kale Pete, Yeah, kid from Arizona.

672
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Co oh yeah col right it's and he got

673
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: the guard burst, right, So you have a lot of

674
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 2: It's a stacked freshman class. So we know at least

675
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: this draft coming up, in the next draft is going

676
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: to be some dogs in it. I think the biggest

677
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: thing for this class is were you going to be

678
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: drafted at?

679
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: Because I think depending on who were the lottery boss fall,

680
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: there could be two or three different number one picks

681
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: in this class.

682
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: And if I'm you know, one of those parents in

683
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: my my child is you know, like one of these

684
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: three one, two or three is meaningless? Right, It's who

685
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: is there when you get there? Right? If you're Peterson, right,

686
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: you don't want san Antonio to be a number one pick, right.

687
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: You don't want no team that has a young, high

688
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: level guard where you're going to be sitting there like

689
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: school Henderson sitting right. You know your top with four pick,

690
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: but you ain't. You ain't played in three years, right,

691
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 2: so you don't want to be that guy. So it's

692
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: not always about that number anymore. It's about where my franchise,

693
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: Like what franchise? Who's in front of me? Like? Am

694
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: I going to get playing time today? Right? You know

695
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: I'll sacrifice full five million to be the third pick

696
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: and I get to play thirty eight minutes? Kill for you?

697
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: You were someone when you were going to be drafted,

698
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: were projected kind of around the lottery, and then you

699
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: pushed a little later in the draft a little later,

700
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 2: I think said a little a little like like like lottery,

701
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: like eighteen to twenty one. That's a little later.

702
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: What are you telling your son in regards to that?

703
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 4: Because you have some personal experience where you like you

704
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 4: could have been one place and then you might be another.

705
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: Don't do stupid ship before the draft, all right? These

706
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: people take this shit seriously. Hey, being funny, it's not

707
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: everybody don't have a sister, Hugh, I can tell you that,

708
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: But I don't.

709
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: Think it's structured the same way it was when you

710
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 3: were a second round player. Because second depending on where

711
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: you fell right in the first because memory that next

712
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: year you was a totally unrestricted free agent. You can

713
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 3: go get whatever money. So I don't know if it's still.

714
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: They didn't close that. They fixed it with me, and

715
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: then when Boozer came and he tricked, he tricked them

716
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: to let him out and then he left and went

717
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: to Utah. It's it's the second round is very different,

718
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: and I think Brownie James exposed it because no one

719
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: ever knew what second rounds got paid, so they was like,

720
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: how did he get guaranteed?

721
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: You know?

722
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: And then wind up with what I did was I

723
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: looked at everybody in the second round. I was like,

724
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: god damn, like why is this money so different? Like, okay,

725
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: you know, the first pick got six million guaranteed, the

726
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: next pick got twelve, then seven, then eleven, Like what's

727
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: going on? And they said, now in the second round,

728
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: you're negotiating, you're on deals, so there's really no slot anymore.

729
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: So some guy who is like, let's say, you know Dallas, right,

730
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: since we talked about Dallas, Dallas has the forty second pick,

731
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: and I'm the guy they want and I supposed to

732
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: be going the first pick in the second round. I'm like, yo,

733
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: they don't pick me. I already got to deal with Dallas, right,

734
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: and me and Dallas already did a deal. They got

735
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: me a twelve million. Everybody in front of me signed

736
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: for six, you know, and I'm sitting here at twelve

737
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: because I was supposed to be here, but I took

738
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: the money here to go here. And that's what they're

739
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: doing in the second round now.

740
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: Interesting.

741
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: So if you go through that, you'll be looking like

742
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: God didn't know they was making money like this. They

743
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 2: are literally making there's kids in the second round. That's

744
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: making my draft class number twelve million guarantees?

745
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: Brownie got eight? Didn't he eight guarantee? So we started

746
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: obviously were announcing you were coming on the show. We

747
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: started a hotline maybe a month ago for fans to

748
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: participate and have their questions right on camera and do this.

749
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: And we want to read it when we announced you

750
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: were coming on, We want to read it or let

751
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: you hear a voice audio.

752
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 5: Yeah. My question for Gilbert is why did he talk

753
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 5: so much? He boots and says things in terms of

754
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 5: the gambling controversy that makes you look really bad. It's

755
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 5: like he seems to rebel is just saying stuff that

756
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 5: can it puts him to really negative light. So that's

757
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 5: my question is why the hell did you do that?

758
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: But before you answer that question, I've got a chance

759
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: to know you really well over the last since we

760
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,959
Speaker 1: had kids with sisters, and one thing I realized about

761
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: you is like every you keep a smile on your face.

762
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: Everything is fun, but you're really strategic outside of that smile.

763
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: And you've always been that way. This that we've been

764
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: having conversations. We're obviously gonna go into the gambling side

765
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: of this, and we've been having conversations kind of throughout this.

766
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: You'd send me ship, I'll send you ship. We go

767
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: back and forth, kind of explain your thinking with this whole.

768
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: The latest thing is the gambling process which you were

769
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: cleared of at the time, or your situation. Okay, so

770
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: your situation answer that question first.

771
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: Okay, First of all, he said the most important thing,

772
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: he said, light. I don't give if it's negative a positive.

773
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: The light is all I don't care about. I don't

774
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: care about the light. So you know, I'm gonna shoe

775
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: this shining idea. I'm gonna walk in it, right and

776
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: you know. That's my personality. I'm a content creator. I'm

777
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: I'm an entertainer. So like you, like you said, everything

778
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: to me is about the fun. So if I can

779
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: find fun in something negative, I'm gonna tap into it.

780
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: It's just my personality. Man, it's you know, I'm fun, right,

781
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: So I'm not malicious. I'm not you know, dangerous. I'm fun,

782
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 2: you know, And that's how I see everything. So even

783
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 2: if it makes me look stupid, if I can laugh

784
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: at it, because I know you want to.

785
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: Laugh, so I'm gonna laugh too myself, you know what

786
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: I mean.

787
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna tell a joke a little bit better

788
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: because you know me getting you know, arrested, You're gonna laugh,

789
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: so why can't I? But that's the problem with mature

790
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: and immature. That's the only thing mature people supposed to

791
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: be mature when serious things are serious. Immature is you

792
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: don't take nothing serious. So where are you laying at?

793
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: I don't take nothing serious? You know what I mean?

794
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: It's just like you know what I mean my questions,

795
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: it just seems very stressful being mature. I'm just and

796
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: that ship looks like it's hard work out.

797
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: We had this conversation. Obviously, your situation hit where you know,

798
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: it's an ongoing process, so we're not going to discuss it.

799
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: Your situation hit, and then this new stuff with Chauncey

800
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: and Rosier come up, and you've kind of been again

801
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: creating content, and we had this conversation. I'm like, bro,

802
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: you're putting yourself in this situation because someone that you know,

803
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm close to and in the day at drop and

804
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: said like, yo, this is out of line. When Rachel

805
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: just without saying it, kind of insinuated that you were

806
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: involved in this new situation and how did that you

807
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: and I had that conversation, how did that affect you?

808
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: Like? Okay, so okay, I gotta start with the blame, right,

809
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: you know, me trolling my own case and I'm ready

810
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: to snitch, right, So when I wake up, you know,

811
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm watching the feed what the fuck? And then and

812
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: then you know, someone sends me, you know, Rachel's thing,

813
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting here like why did you the fuck

814
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 2: this guy doing me? Like you know what I mean? Like,

815
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: and then I'm looking at the case like, all right,

816
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: Chauncey Rogier, what the fuck they gotta do with each other?

817
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: Why is a poker charge mixed with gambling, Like, it's

818
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: two different things. Why are they bunching them up together?

819
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: This doesn't even make sense, right, So what happened is

820
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 2: We're getting ready to go on the show.

821
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: So I'm like, here we go, here we go, that

822
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: wheel starts turning.

823
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna mess this moment up. I gonna mess

824
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 2: this moment up, right, So I grab was it Taylor

825
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 2: six Man jersey? You know the six Man? So people

826
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: don't even pay attention. So you know the six Man,

827
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: you know the movie?

828
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: Right?

829
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: So I have the jersey, so he's basically the ghost

830
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. So I have that jersey, and then

831
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: I had the people at the lunch, you know, right

832
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: on the thing. And then I'm coming in like and

833
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: for minute lunch, you know, so I had to inform it,

834
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: you know, so I have to inform the lunch and.

835
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: My coffee too, diabolical. I didn't even peep the jersey

836
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: part though.

837
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. You know, so you know,

838
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: I'm so who was that?

839
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: Marla? Ways? Now that was who was in the Sixth Man.

840
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: He's in the movie.

841
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the wind that passed right?

842
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, So you know I really didn't you know.

843
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: I didn't know because you know, I'm reading on real

844
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: time and then you know, going on the show, I

845
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: didn't know how serious that was. And then once I

846
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: realized how serious it was, it kind of scared me.

847
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: The crime family, like I've heard these names of folk, but.

848
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: You know, like I'm you know, I'm watching you because

849
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: I watched Datelines and I watched you know, all this

850
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: mob ship, so I be watching like, you know, okay,

851
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: got it. Got an argument at a restaurant next day,

852
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: restaurant blew up? Okay, car blew up? Whoa Like okay,

853
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: so they're serious about their business on just arguments. So wait,

854
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: wait now I'm mad at Rachel because Yo, why would

855
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: you even put my name associate? This is real, This

856
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: is four families and my name is in it for

857
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: no damn reason. Do they think this is real? Do

858
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: they think I'm a part of it?

859
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: And then you bullshit and play into with the bag?

860
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: And I did that before. I don't know, Yeah, I

861
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: know I read after like oh ship, like I started

862
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: looking out today, like I started looking at my car.

863
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: Is there any Italians out here? I didn't listen. I

864
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: didn't get in my fucking car for about a week

865
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: and a half. Hey don't know. Fuck no, did you

866
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: see the names on it? It's that families. This said families,

867
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 2: you know, just it's just a regular person's name. Cool,

868
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: but they had full families and they are local. They're

869
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: in the United States of America. Man, I did not

870
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: turn that goddamn key over for shiite. Y'all thought I

871
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: was playing that. Y'all was all tesla of tesla. I'm

872
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: gonna try my son, Rode. I'm safer in my son round,

873
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: like I swear to God at him turn that car over.

874
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: I was mad, like, yo, they might mistaken and really

875
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: think this is real. So you know, I had to

876
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: call somebody who's you know, in that underworld. Hey, man,

877
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: can you find out if they are like you know

878
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, can you find out and see

879
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: if they think I'm part of this? And you know,

880
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 2: I got a call back like, nah, they they know

881
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: you're not even closer to that, Like I'm seriously, I

882
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: was like, because I was trying to figure out, like

883
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: like Rachel, it clearly said this says Italian. My shit

884
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: says Israel, Russian, two different peoples, Los Angeles, my house,

885
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: New York City two Thoy ninety not even in the

886
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: same realm. You gotta do your due diligence.

887
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean I think that that brings the

888
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: point up. And we talked about, you know, when Pablo

889
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: Torre mentioned that Kevin Garnet was out of situation and

890
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: then it came clean and he tried to delete. It's

891
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: just like, once it's out there, the damage is done.

892
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so things like that, man, like you know

893
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: when you when you go behind. Okay, this is not

894
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: a this is not a poker case, right, and unless

895
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 2: you read it, you you're still trying to figure out

896
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 2: what do they both have to do with each other? Right?

897
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: So you have one that's gambling on games and then

898
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: you have one that's poker. Two different worlds right from

899
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: the outside. What ends up happening is you know this

900
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: this case started in twenty twenty three. Two players got

901
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: in trouble for allegedly betting on games. One got scared

902
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: for his life because his bookie said he's gonna break

903
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: his legs, so told on his bookie. Now what does

904
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: the book you have? You got other names, got a

905
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: whole lot of other names, right, So what ends up

906
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: happening is he gets jammed up so bad he just

907
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: opens his mouth right, just like a you know, I mean,

908
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: I don't want to go trying to you know, he's

909
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is he gives them his

910
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: black book, and then that black book poker. So how

911
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: chance he gets pulled into it is the guy that

912
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: is doing the bedding and the booking also created the machine,

913
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: the table, the glasses and all that. That's how the

914
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 2: FEDS got this stuff. See this case of poker is

915
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. There's no victims here because none of those

916
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: players who got scammed, we don't know. They never came

917
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 2: out right, they didn't. It's not like they reported it right.

918
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is the bookie gives this

919
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: because this ties to them families, right, This ties hit

920
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: him family. So they're like, well, how do we believe you? Oh,

921
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: I'm the one who created here's my machine, here's the table,

922
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: here's the glasses, here's the cards, here's my ledger, here's

923
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: my bank accounts, here's my wires. And they just looking

924
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 2: at them names like oh shit, and then just like anything.

925
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: For the next two years, they try to siphon through

926
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: all this, see what's real, see what's fake? And then

927
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: no one knows that these families like that, we know

928
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 2: these NBA players, We're gonna use these names to make

929
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: this big old splash, and that's what ends up happening.

930
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: So what do you think, kind of knowing more than

931
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: the average person does on this Chauncey situation, what do

932
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: you kind of think is? What do you kind of

933
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: think possibly could happen?

934
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: When I first heard about the case, I'm like, I

935
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: thought Chauncey when his name got called, he was a fish,

936
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: So a fishes? Is this? In the poker world, NBA

937
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 2: players are targets to get to uf like this right,

938
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 2: where you go sit down at a house table, you're

939
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how many people play together, right,

940
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: how many of y'all are friends trying to take my money? Right?

941
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: And that's what happens at these tables. So I'm like,

942
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: he must have got scammed, and that's why his name

943
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: is on a on a ledger. So it's like figuring

944
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: out for him to be the face of it, he

945
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: must have got he must have got licked at one

946
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 2: point and then they turned them and basically forced him

947
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: to do it. So I think him Damon Jones basically

948
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 2: are the same as Johnty, Like these people scammed me first.

949
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: I'm the first victim, right because there's no way, like,

950
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: there's no way, we're we're we're we're gamblers, right, we

951
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: we we're paying, we're playing. We're not We're not running

952
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: no organization, We're not. That's not our world, right, We're

953
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 2: coming for the excitement. I want to take you money,

954
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: you want to take my money? You know what I mean?

955
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: That that's all this is is and that's where it starts.

956
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't think that the poker side

957
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: of it is going to be no issues now it

958
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: all the only problem that he's going to have is

959
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: as a coach, what did you give that man? And

960
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: that's that's where the case will be lying with him

961
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: when he became a coach, because you know, twenty nineteen,

962
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: that's that world. He becomes a coach after that, what

963
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 2: happened during that time?

964
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: So interesting? Interesting? Interesting. Before we get you out of here,

965
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: tell us about the football. What's going on at the arena?

966
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: And you got a lot of basketball heavy Now you're

967
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: into the football space as well. You're streaming what you

968
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: got going.

969
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: On a little bit.

970
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a.

971
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: Little bit of everything. Man, you know, it's so what

972
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: happened is me and Skip had our or backing. Well,

973
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: it wasn't a back and forth right too. He jumped

974
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: out the window and then I knocked his ass, you know,

975
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: because it was one of these things right where you

976
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: don't really get opportunity sometime to get one of them legends, right.

977
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: And when he came at me, it was nine minutes

978
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 2: and you was talking about you now he was basically

979
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: it was I said something, you know, for Lebron, and

980
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: then he went down this hole, you know, basically you know,

981
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: going at me like I didn't know, you know, the sports.

982
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: So I'm you know, I'm listening to him, and I'm like, man,

983
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: that's wrong. That's one sided. You're not looking at that,

984
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: you know. And I was like, you know what, I'm

985
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: gonna use this. I'm gonna use this and make this

986
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: a show. I'm not just gonna go out here. I'm

987
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: gonna take these nine minutes and I turned it into

988
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 2: like three and a half hours, and I went through

989
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 2: every word, every mistake, everything entertaining, just you know, did

990
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: the whole Michael Jordan thing like I went into character,

991
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: and he watched it about nine times because now first

992
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 2: of all, he's watching it to see what I got

993
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: wrong so he can respond, and then him and his

994
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: wife there watching it like this was entertaining. Like he

995
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 2: literally entertained me. He wanted to have dinner, so we

996
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 2: had to sit down.

997
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: We had three sit downs.

998
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: Coolest shit, like we we golf buddies now, and he

999
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it's like I want to He wanted

1000
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: to work, so he's like, you know, Ernestine Bernsteine, So

1001
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: he's like, let's work together. I want I want to

1002
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 2: work with you. But I think you're the most talented

1003
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: that you know, he said, stephen A has his thing,

1004
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: Shannon has his thing. You have just something different. So

1005
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: you know, I go to the Underdog and say, I

1006
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 2: got Skip. Skip wants to do a show together. I

1007
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: know he's in the football because I did the back,

1008
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: you know, back thing on him. So if y'all are

1009
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: looking for a football show, we can create one, right,

1010
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 2: and then we just surrounded with talent and go from there.

1011
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: He was on board. They was on board.

1012
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: Created grid iron arena. What's it called the arena?

1013
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: Grid Iron?

1014
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: Grid Iron? I love it. How's this been, Because again,

1015
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: you're someone who kind of took this space by storm.

1016
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: It was funny. We were at an event with it

1017
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, and it's like I wanted to do

1018
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: what you did, but you fucked it up. You guys

1019
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: are too good. So I went and did no, yea.

1020
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yah yea yea yeah. Yeah. You know you know

1021
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 2: I was in it, you know, twenty eighteen. You know

1022
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: it was local, getting my little my little guest, you know,

1023
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: getting my little B C. D Celerity guests, you know

1024
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: what I mean. Then y'all came in and then the guests.

1025
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: I couldn't compete, you know what I mean, I just

1026
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 2: I'm not, you know, like I did Listen, I did

1027
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 2: somehow get the White Howard and and Katie. I did

1028
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: get there, but you know what I mean, Like when

1029
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: we was looking at rosters, you had the All Star Game,

1030
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I had, I had, I had,

1031
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: I had the rookie I had the Rookie All Star Game, right,

1032
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: and you know it was it was one of those

1033
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: things where you know, my game was on Friday, yours

1034
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: is on Sunday, and you know, so I'm like, hey, man,

1035
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: can we get any like like guest guests, right, and

1036
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: then it was it was it just started getting frustrated.

1037
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: And then it was like I don't want to do this.

1038
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: No more right, It's just I don't want to do

1039
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: this still. Boy man, I'm like the biggest guess we

1040
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: got to speaking. They go, hey, I got irons, said

1041
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 2: they got gray here they we don't know, nobody, don't

1042
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: know nobody, just my teammates. Like I'm good my teammate.

1043
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 2: So it was one of those things where I wasn't

1044
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: consistent with it, and then COVID hit and I was like, oh,

1045
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: so celebrities ain't moving around they scared.

1046
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: I was with you when you kind of conceptualized this.

1047
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: You brought me over, like we sat at the house

1048
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: and what do we watch a game? Right, and we

1049
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: were drinking and smoking and ship it was me and

1050
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: U T Mac. It was me ut Mac, he kmart right,

1051
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: and like what's his name?

1052
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: Jee Jefferson drink Jared.

1053
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: But that's when you kind of came up with the concept.

1054
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: But I thought it was dope. Yeah, and then from

1055
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: there you just ran with me did we did that?

1056
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: And you know what happened is we did it. We

1057
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: watched it and then I didn't even pay attention to it.

1058
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: And then when I went back and looked at the views,

1059
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: it had, damn there full five hundred thousand and all

1060
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: the lives on that page four thousand and six thousand,

1061
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: and then I was like, wait what And then I

1062
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: started reading the comments. So then it was like, okay,

1063
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: there's something here, right, there's something. This is something right,

1064
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is yet. So while you know,

1065
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, the COVID happened, all that I had in my.

1066
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: Contract I can do. I can produce two shows in

1067
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: your Underdog No no, no before Underdog, that's right. So

1068
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: this is where poker comes in at to wrap it

1069
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: back around. So I'm like, I can do it. I

1070
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: talked to my guy Hollywood, who could I mean Hollywood

1071
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: Hustles because you know, so like, hey, you guys have

1072
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: a live show. I can if you guys we can

1073
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: partner up and then I can do a celebrity live

1074
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: show from my house. You guys do everything you know

1075
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: said it, you know, we can do it like that.

1076
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: So they were on board. Then I was like, okay,

1077
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: I can do uh like listen, you know, beef Roast

1078
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: League you know, on YouTube. So I got these two things.

1079
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: So I'm shooting pilots hints while my table was at

1080
00:57:53,840 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: the house right that ten that ten alligator skinned all

1081
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: gold table came for. You think I was spending that

1082
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: kind of money for the niggas playing five five days. No, man, Like,

1083
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: I'm just be real, man, that table is too fixing

1084
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: for that. So even in their photos there's nobody there's

1085
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: fifty four people in the house from where they said,

1086
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: nobody's on that table. And then the chips is st

1087
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: all in plastic because it was four there. So I

1088
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: think it only got there that week or two weeks before,

1089
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: and I was going to be shooting a pilot, which

1090
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: I ended up shooting a pilot because I wanted to

1091
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: shoot it. See how it looks.

1092
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: How misinformation gets out there and unless you really it's crazy, right,

1093
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: So so it.

1094
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 2: Was for that, like, but I have all the emails

1095
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: and all that stuff from you know, for for that case.

1096
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: So what I'm looking at, I'm trying to figure out.

1097
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is a thing, right, This

1098
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: might just be a thing that I like to do,

1099
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: but I don't know if this is a thing everybody

1100
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: wants to watch, right, So I go back to our

1101
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: episode and then while we have our episode on, then

1102
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking at you know, Charles Barklay now and I'm

1103
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 2: sitting here like, is there a live show on YouTube

1104
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: that talks sports? Then I google Pat McAfee comes up,

1105
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: so okay, football, what's basketball? Nothing? Mm hm, so there's

1106
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So okay, Pat McAfee did.

1107
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: So that's when the idea is, like, all right, just

1108
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: do a live podcast show every day talking sports, just

1109
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: like them up there. And then the idea is, if

1110
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: we say something that's worth being viral, they're forced because

1111
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: they have producers that's gonna always go for stuff that's trending.

1112
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: They're gonna take these taken put it on the show.

1113
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: So I don't even need to ever be on there

1114
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: because they're.

1115
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: Gonna put Yeah, they're gonna take much it anyway.

1116
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: And then that's where that's where the show was created.

1117
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: So when they asked me, I was like, listen, I

1118
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 2: don't know where the show is going to be taken,

1119
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: but you give me a year. I'll get I'm gonna

1120
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: make y'all some money. Just give me a year and

1121
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: let me process and go through it six months later,

1122
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: not even the end of the season. By the time

1123
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: it's going to go on. In season two, we started

1124
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: in February, so we came in at the All Star

1125
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 2: All Star weekend. By the time we hit the summer,

1126
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: when the season was over, it we all was cutting

1127
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: up our contracts, signed.

1128
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Speaker 1: A congrats, anything else cooking in that. Let's gaming gaming, you.

1129
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: Know with with you know, I'm pretty sure you done

1130
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 2: peeped it right. Amazon has live. Amazon is looking for content.

1131
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: Netflix has live. They looking for content, you know what

1132
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: I mean. I'll be I'll be looking so as I

1133
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: see a live button, come on, like, wait a minute,

1134
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: is that Cat Williams Live? I know lives. So you know,

1135
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there watching like this is really And then

1136
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: now I gotta think about my show. So now I

1137
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: gotta think about the flaws of it, like, okay, how

1138
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 2: can this show be on here for me to even

1139
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: pitch it? We're every day, so how can it stay

1140
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: on if this game already happened? So now it has

1141
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 2: to be like these evergreen type of deals or you know,

1142
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean. So I'm going through

1143
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: all of it just watching, okay, reddick, I know Redick

1144
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: is gonna jump into it, Hulu, Like you know, all

1145
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: these platforms are starting to look for content creators, which

1146
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: means all production esp and all of them are eventually

1147
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: gonna fall because what you guys have is corporate conversations

1148
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: and America and human beings.

1149
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: Don't want it anymore, not anymore, And they're empowering the

1150
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: content creators.

1151
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: Because it's all organically done, right, Like if you see Skip,

1152
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 2: he's cussing now, right, you know what I mean.

1153
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: If you look at Don Lemon, he's cussing that.

1154
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 2: If you look at some of those shows now they're

1155
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 2: dressing up for Halloween and doing all the fun. Yeah,

1156
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So they're incorporated trying to

1157
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: keep up because they're getting drowned out right, because you

1158
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: can only go for thirty minutes or an hour. We

1159
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: can go on every single day anytime we want. We

1160
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: can beat you to all topics, you know we can.

1161
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 2: We can make fun of you, we can go deep dive, right,

1162
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 2: I can cuss you the fuck out on this platform.

1163
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: You got to pay a by your rules, you know.

1164
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: So you know, corporate is at a disadvantage, and we

1165
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 2: get the same sponsors because we have more viewers that

1166
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: already accepted.

1167
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: For people don't understand, like our Shoes shows do more

1168
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: views than the network shows, and people don't understand.

1169
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: That network sure comes on and it goes off, comes

1170
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: on and goes off, a whole new one comes on.

1171
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: We they get to rewatching, rewatching, We get clip, clip,

1172
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: clip and clip and pushing, push and push it. And

1173
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 2: the audience that's watching our show already accept us who

1174
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: we are, so you don't have to sell, you know

1175
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: what I mean. So you're gonna get yeah, you right,

1176
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: You're never gonna get a sponsor saying, well, you know safe, Brandy,

1177
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: you know we're gonna get a pushback. My fans love it.

1178
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: There's there's twenty five thousand people in here. We have

1179
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: more people in here than the the Laker game, the Clipper,

1180
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: whatever game you want that sold out. We're doing that

1181
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 2: every day, right, And that's that's that's that's how it is.

1182
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: It's tough to see. It's been up to watch the

1183
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: journey man keep doing thing for everybody.

1184
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: Man, it's you remember we first got in. We didn't

1185
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: know what it was, right, and that's why we are

1186
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 2: always talked because if we're not communicating with each other.

1187
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: We don't know.

1188
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: What there's no bar set. Yes, yes, there was no

1189
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: bar set, and that's what Gilbert, I definitely credit you.

1190
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: And then you know, we started talking to Cam and

1191
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: Mace or excuse me, Cam and Joe Button's Joe Gillian

1192
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: Wallow because there was no like, we're sitting at the top,

1193
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: and no one was really willing to like, if we

1194
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: don't know what we're making, we don't know if it

1195
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: was good. I was supposed to push the line. So

1196
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: like that, those internal conversations we had kind of helped

1197
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: set the bar and now, shit, we're doing it.

1198
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 2: Now there's bags because now they can't you you can't

1199
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 2: trick nobody into a deal because if I say I'm

1200
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: making ten million a year and your numbers is better

1201
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: than me, you know, you have a starting point. So

1202
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: you're like, yo, you're motherfucker's trying to give me.

1203
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: Ten thousand an episode, right, you know what I mean.

1204
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 2: I'm thinking that's good. Ten million a year. Hey, hey, homeboy,

1205
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: peap this real quick. You see this text, You see

1206
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: these numbers. My numbers are right here, right, So now

1207
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: we have that's Pat McAfee's and all that because they

1208
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: set the bar. They set the bar at one hundred

1209
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: and twenty million, Right, you have Shennon Sharp who is

1210
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: asking for one hundred. So all we have to do

1211
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: is look at the numbers.

1212
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: Look at the reach and say, hey, key building, I

1213
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: mean I think it's similar. It circles all the way

1214
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: back before we get out of here. How the Luca

1215
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: trade triggered higher valuations for franchises, the same thing for us.

1216
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: So everyone is helping each other. So appreciate you bro

1217
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: By today. Good luck with everything. Shout out to my

1218
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: guys ever at Stone of Sports. You guys gotta start

1219
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: tapping in with them. Man, the two of the best

1220
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: dudes on the internet. Each week on Unplugged, they'll get

1221
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: us caught up on what you may have missed during

1222
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: the week. Take a look.

1223
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: The NBA just.

1224
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 4: Had its most lit nite in history, Jayo, I know

1225
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 4: you've seen d Mitch with the switch for the calves

1226
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 4: last night.

1227
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 2: What a shout?

1228
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: We going to ot that?

1229
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:49,919
Speaker 2: Boy?

1230
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 4: Andrew Wiggins said, no, the fuck we not this. The

1231
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 4: Stoner's sixty percent by Unplugged.

1232
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 6: Most I've seen the Trailblazers do this off the inbounds.

1233
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: I thought it was.

1234
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 6: Over to the very next play. Paolo went to the

1235
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 6: cup grown ass man and smoke the free throw, though,

1236
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 6: but the new guy said, let me see that one time.

1237
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: Let me hurt.

1238
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: My key has been paid, said let's go home. Winners.

1239
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 4: Jayo, you want to talk about winners, Dennis Jenkins said, Cade,

1240
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 4: you've done enough. We got a midplay collision. Dennis Jenkins said, Kate,

1241
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 4: I got you.

1242
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: I got up. That boy went two for two.

1243
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 4: In the last six second, and you already know Big.

1244
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: Dog brought him home.

1245
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 4: Lady Jayo, what that boy wouldn't be do?

1246
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 6: Lo chill out see out there waving people off. Now

1247
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 6: he turned a shy right to area fifty one. The

1248
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 6: league ain't ready for this alien takeover, No loast did

1249
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 6: he just staggered that man pull up three, get it

1250
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 6: out the net.

1251
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 4: That boy Cooper said, I'm young, but I'm ready tween spin.

1252
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, and that boy went right at the

1253
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 4: freak like me.

1254
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: The Bucks went up with the.

1255
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: MAVs got a change. The flag has fallen.

1256
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 4: That boy cools my eisted with the two hand yammer.

1257
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 4: Appreciate you tapping it with the Stoner sixty presented by Unplugged.

1258
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: That's a wrap unplugged. My brother Gilbert Arenas. You can

1259
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: catch us on all the smoke productions you two in

1260
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: the DraftKings Network. We'll see y'all next week.