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Speaker 1: Welcome back Happy Hour listeners. Today we have a very

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Speaker 1: different episode than what you've probably ever heard from Rache

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Speaker 1: and I. I'm about for Happy Hour for you. Before

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Speaker 1: we get started, I want to first highlight the fact

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Speaker 1: that our last two episodes, when we had Gina and

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Speaker 1: carry On, were recorded and released prior to all of

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Speaker 1: the events that have taken place in our world today.

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Speaker 1: You know, they were fun for us and lighthearted, but

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Speaker 1: there's much more serious matters that have been going on

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Speaker 1: in our world that we want to address. So obviously,

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Speaker 1: with everything that's happening today, we don't want to take

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Speaker 1: anything lightly. So instead of doing our regular style episodes,

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Speaker 1: this isn't going to be as lighthearted. We're going to

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Speaker 1: dig a little bit deeper and shifting the conversation over

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Speaker 1: to some very important topics that are at the forefront

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Speaker 1: of our attention. So in the last few weeks, our

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Speaker 1: world as we know it, or or as we have

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Speaker 1: chosen to know it, has been greatly shaken. We've gone

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Speaker 1: from this global pandemic to being quarantined and away from

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Speaker 1: everyone you know, into something that's completely different. And the

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Speaker 1: world hasn'tdoubtedly changed, but it's one of the most important

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Speaker 1: moments for our generation, and it's this modern civil rights

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Speaker 1: movement that is taking place, and the magnitude of everything

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Speaker 1: that's happening is just so intense. It's so important. It's

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Speaker 1: so heavy, and it's uncomfortable, but it's something that we

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Speaker 1: necessarily but it's something that's necessary for us to talk

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Speaker 1: through and address. So, you know, Rich, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you can hear it in my voice. It's a

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Speaker 1: little shaky because it is probably the most deep, heavy

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Speaker 1: conversation that we've had on this podcast to date. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important to know that. Like I

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Speaker 1: love that you talked about how we had some prerecorded

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Speaker 1: episodes and that's why we haven't addressed it. I don't

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Speaker 1: want anyone to think that we've been shying away from this.

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Speaker 1: Becca actually reached out to me like a week ago

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Speaker 1: and wanted maybe even longer than that, and you wanted

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Speaker 1: to address some of the things that have happened in

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Speaker 1: this open and honest conversation. And I think that's important

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Speaker 1: for people to know that. And I think it's also

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Speaker 1: important to know that we aren't scared to have these conversations.

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Speaker 1: They are uncomfortable. But this is what all of this

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Speaker 1: is about. It's about making you feel uncomfortable because as

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Speaker 1: black people, we've been uncomfortable for centuries. And it's crazy

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Speaker 1: to watch everything that's happening right now in our country

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Speaker 1: because it's almost as if you are just now becoming

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Speaker 1: as outraged as non blacks. You're becoming as outraged and

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Speaker 1: as disturbed as we have been feeling every single day

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Speaker 1: of our lives. You know, sometimes you feel it heavier

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Speaker 1: than others. The George Floyd incident isn't isolated. This is

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Speaker 1: something that we have literally seen happen six years ago

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Speaker 1: this past summer, with the same words being shouted out

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Speaker 1: as the life was being choked out of a black man.

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Speaker 1: We aren't new to this, it's just now because of

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Speaker 1: everything that's happening in the world, we have your attention,

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Speaker 1: and so since we do have your attention, it's so

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Speaker 1: important that Becca and I address this right now and

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Speaker 1: we show we give an example of what it is

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Speaker 1: hopefully create change, because that's what we want to do.

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Speaker 1: We want to talk to each other and hopefully reach

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Speaker 1: our batter nation community, and maybe you can then go

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Speaker 1: out and have these uncomfortable conversations with some of your friends,

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Speaker 1: some of your family members, your co workers, and so

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Speaker 1: hopefully we can all work together to create this change

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Speaker 1: that is necessary for our country that's long, long overdue. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and you just made a good point, and it's something

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Speaker 1: Well I shouldn't even say I went to bed. I

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Speaker 1: had such anxiety and just I was sick to my

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Speaker 1: stomach over knowing that what's going on in this country,

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Speaker 1: it is a change that's needed. But I prayed, like,

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Speaker 1: let the right words come to me today because I'm

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Speaker 1: not and I mentioned this too many times, like I'm

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Speaker 1: But I'm sitting in bed trying to sleep, freaking out

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Speaker 1: over everything that's going on, you know, looking forward to

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Speaker 1: having this conversation on this podcast, but it's still because

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Speaker 1: it is so heavy it's not one that I've had

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Speaker 1: with you before or with millions of people listening. That

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Speaker 1: it's new to me. And I'm thinking, like, if I'm

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Speaker 1: feeling like this during this night, like, imagine how Rachel

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Speaker 1: and the black community has felt for decades and centuries

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Speaker 1: for so long, Like I need a step out of

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Speaker 1: as you said, it's so long overdue. Yeah, it is

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Speaker 1: long overdue, and it's I'm trying to think of, like

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Speaker 1: where to even begin this conversation, because first of all,

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Speaker 1: I want to acknowledge that there's so much going on

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Speaker 1: in the world, but then people are also going through

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Speaker 1: things personally and specifically. I mean you, Becca, and I

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Speaker 1: just appreciate that you're willing to have this conversation because

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Speaker 1: I know that you've experienced loss in these last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks. I know that you're going through your own thing,

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Speaker 1: and despite you going through things personally, you still have

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Speaker 1: taken the time to not only be vocal about what's

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Speaker 1: I have friends who aren't going through anything that have

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Speaker 1: not reached out to me, and believe me, I'm keeping

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Speaker 1: a mental note of who hasn't. And I think that

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Speaker 1: it's during these times that you really see people's character.

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Speaker 1: And so I do want to preface that, like just

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Speaker 1: this whole conversation with you have been going through your

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Speaker 1: own personal thing, yet you've still been very considerate of

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Speaker 1: and for that, I'm very grateful and I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: But where to start? Where to start? I feel like

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Speaker 1: I've been extremely vocal with what's going on, because how

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Speaker 1: could I not. Let's be honest, I'm always vocal, right,

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Speaker 1: I always have something to say. But with what's happening

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Speaker 1: into what into your life and kind of how you've

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Speaker 1: responded to and I'm speaking in the general myself as well,

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Speaker 1: how you've responded to the things that are going on

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Speaker 1: in the past and even in the present right now,

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Speaker 1: and just take a look at the thing that you

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Speaker 1: are affiliated with and you are attached to and do

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Speaker 1: they align on the right side of things? Okay, so

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Speaker 1: where am I going with this Bachelor franchise? How do

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Speaker 1: just looking at friends. I'm looking at you know, systems

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Speaker 1: police brutality, or just the police system, and the Bachelor

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Speaker 1: really been self reflecting on being a part of this franchise,

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Speaker 1: and it isn't the first time that I've spoken out

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Speaker 1: about the franchise. But oh god, am I get emotional?

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Speaker 1: I thought I was done crying. I've been so proud

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Speaker 1: I heard Obama address the nation, I've been like, really

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Speaker 1: But you often hear me say why that I've never

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Speaker 1: watched the show before, and you hear a lot of

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Speaker 1: contestants say that, Well, I think what's different from me

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Speaker 1: or people of color who say they've never watched the

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Speaker 1: show versus white people who say they've never watched the show.

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Speaker 1: Is that there's a reason I never watched the show.

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Speaker 1: It's not because I'm not a fan of reality TV.

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Speaker 1: God knows, I love my share of good reality TV.

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Speaker 1: The reason I didn't watch The Bachelor is because The

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Speaker 1: Bachelor did not appeal to me in any kind of way.

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Speaker 1: Because it was notoriously known in the Black community that

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Speaker 1: The Bachelor was not for us. It was a running joke.

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Speaker 1: You only make it so if you're black, you only

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Speaker 1: make it past week three. There's never a lead. It's

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Speaker 1: just something that we've to tolerate and come to expect

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Speaker 1: that that is what the Bachelor franchise stands for. So

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Speaker 1: never in a million years did I think that I

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Speaker 1: my first comment was I laughed, and I go, you guys,

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Speaker 1: everybody knows the black people don't go far on that show.

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Speaker 1: And I even said that in my interview with The Bachelor.

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Speaker 1: I was like, let's talk about this because black people

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Speaker 1: are not known to be on this show. And I remember,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Bennett. I don't know if y'all going

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Speaker 1: is very true, and that's something that we've struggled with

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Speaker 1: and I want to be able to talk about it

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Speaker 1: made me feel more not racism, but your struggles with

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Speaker 1: I remember the girl saying, no, Rachel, if you go

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Speaker 1: immediately said no, I didn't. I didn't want it, no

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Speaker 1: me and saying, it's been so nice to see representation

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Speaker 1: and I thought, you know what, it's bigger than me.

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Speaker 1: I hope to find love on this show, but there's

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Speaker 1: no way they're going to find someone I can match

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Speaker 1: I thought, it's bigger than me. They need representation, and

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Speaker 1: I felt that I could do it well. I also

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Speaker 1: hoped that I could start a trend in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: My hope was that more people that look like me

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Speaker 1: would start to watch the show, more people that look

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Speaker 1: more accepting of the show, and we would eventually see

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Speaker 1: more leads of color on the show. None of that

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Speaker 1: has happened in three years. And Rich I remember watching.

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Speaker 1: I think it was one of your first weeks when

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Speaker 1: you were the lead. You were sitting in an interview

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Speaker 1: and you were having this moment and you were crying

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Speaker 1: and and and you brought up you know, there's so

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Speaker 1: much more behind this for me, Like, it's not just

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Speaker 1: you going to find a partner. Like for me, it

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Speaker 1: was easy. I went on being like, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: There was so much more to it. It carried such

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Speaker 1: a different weight, and I remember watching you in that

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Speaker 1: now is probably astronomical. And since then, like that hasn't changed,

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Speaker 1: and that you have been the only person of color

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Speaker 1: But I can't even for you to feel this way,

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Speaker 1: You want to put out a product that is going

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Speaker 1: going to do something that helps it. No, you continue

432
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: to play into it. And so it's that kind of

433
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: behavior why I say I don't want it anymore. I

434
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: don't want to be a part of that. I have

435
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: had I have great friends that are behind the camera.

436
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: I have made great friends that have been on camera,

437
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: and I will take that with me, but I no

438
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: longer want to put on a happy face and pretend

439
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: like I'm okay with everything this franchise is doing when

440
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm not. And I think, oh, go ahead, Oh I

441
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: was going to ask you, so, I know. I think

442
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: it was when I probably first sort of this podcast

443
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: with you, and we might have been talking off cameras,

444
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: but you had made a comment like there, you know,

445
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: back then, they're not going to have another person of

446
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: colors to lead, and you know, after the whole Mike

447
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: Johnson thing went down, do you think because of what

448
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: we're seeing now in this country that that's going to

449
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: change that even if they viewed us, you know, we

450
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: had lower ratings or it could produce lower ratings, like

451
00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: because of everything we're seeing and hearing that regardless of that,

452
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: it needs to change and we need to put a

453
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: person of color. I mean, yes, we announced Claire as

454
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: the next batch orup, but moving beyond that, do you think, yeah,

455
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: there will be a change. I think that there should

456
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: be enough outrage for the people who watch it. I mean,

457
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: I've been asked this question by fans and I actually

458
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: spoke to a group of students by this and they

459
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: said that they they told me I feel guilty watching

460
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: the show knowing that there's so many issues wrong with it,

461
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: but yet we still watch it. And I said, listen,

462
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: then you need to be the change. If you see

463
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: something that you have a problem with, then speak out.

464
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: It can't just be me. It's the same reason argument

465
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: behind Black Lives Matter, like, obviously you're not valuing people

466
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: of color when it comes to the franchise because you

467
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: continue to ignore what it is that we're saying. So

468
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: how much more powerful will it be if non black

469
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: people actually speak out and say, we have a problem

470
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: with what you're doing, We're not okay with it. And

471
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: so that's what I encourage people to do, is speak

472
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: out if you have a problem with it. I think

473
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: that there is going to be enough pressure because of

474
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: what's going on that they're going to have to do something.

475
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: But it still doesn't rest well with me that this

476
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: is what it takes for you to actually feel the

477
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: pressure to cast a lead of color. Otherwise you would

478
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: continue to sit comfortable in your space and do what

479
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: you've been doing for the last nineteen years, you know.

480
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: And so I just it almost plays, not almost it does.

481
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: It plays into the whole Black Lives Matter versus White

482
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: lives Matter, which is what you know. Another topic I

483
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: want to get into, which is what we're also seeing

484
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: in this country. It's almost as if I'm saying, hey,

485
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: black lives matter is about which we've been talking about.

486
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: I don't know why the light bulb is just now

487
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: going off for everybody else. The message didn't change. It's

488
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: we've been saying, hey, black lives matter too. It's not

489
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: only black lives matter, it's he we matter as well.

490
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: Value us in the same way that you value your

491
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: own lives. It's just that simple. And that is almost

492
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: what I'm screaming to the franchise. Value us. Listen to

493
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Show you care, like oh, I hear you,

494
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: and you want to make a change, But actually it

495
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: just falls on deaf ears unless I actually see you

496
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: put forth that action. So value us too, Honor us,

497
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: make it make it matter as well. Show that your

498
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: black lives contestants, your black black contestants lives matter as well,

499
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: just as much as these other contestants that you've continued

500
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: to make the lead of this franchise. Yeah, no, go ahead.

501
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm playing into the black lives matter.

502
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: I mean an argument I hear daily in my DMS

503
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: and in conversations is the whole And Rachel I talked

504
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: about this a little bit beforehand before we started recording

505
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: of you know, why, why do especially me as a

506
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: white person and people, why do people say, like why

507
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: why are we saying black lives matter? Why don't we

508
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: say all lives matter? It's because, well, people, we as

509
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: white people have been privileged for so long, like we

510
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: haven't had to wake up and wonder like, you know,

511
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: are we going to be safe to go outside today?

512
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: Like where are we going to get our next meal?

513
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: There's so much that plays into it, and this is

514
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: the moment where versus not as you said, we're not

515
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: saying only black lives matter, but their voices need to

516
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: be heard, and we need to step up as such

517
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: a huge majority who have these voices to be heard,

518
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: to back you up and be allies and be your

519
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: support system when and where you need it. And so

520
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: for people to say, oh, well all lives matter, okay,

521
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: But in this case and this instance, this movement is

522
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: speaking up for our black friends and people who have

523
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: been oppressed for literal centuries for so long. Yeah, I

524
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: get the question a lot of why why are black

525
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: people so angry and like it frustrates me. And I

526
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: tried to spell it out in a blog post and

527
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: tried to say, because you're outraged and disturbed by George Floyd.

528
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: But this happened with Eric Gardner, which I just spoke about.

529
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: And we've seen this before and with countless others, too

530
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: many hashtags, too many names. We've been marching, we've been yelling,

531
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: and it hasn't been recognized. And that's where the frustration

532
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: builds up. We've been saying, please honor and make our

533
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: lives matter to the same level as yours. And I'm

534
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: happy that, Yeah, it's taken to this point. It's the

535
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: probably the perfect storm of COVID, of unemployment, of back

536
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: to back events in May, where we have your undivided attention,

537
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: and it's where you're sick in the way that we are,

538
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: which is what we need. But I think that what

539
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: also needs to happen and use touch this, is that

540
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: you have to start recognizing your white privilege. And I

541
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: saw this amazing TikTok, and you know how I feel

542
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: about TikTok, but I had this. I saw this amazing

543
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: TikTok video where it was twitch Ellen's DJ and his

544
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: wife Alison, where they were holding up did you see this?

545
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: And they were holding up both hands and the person

546
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, take a finger away. If you've

547
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: ever been pulled over, you know, because of the way

548
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: you looked, put a finger away. If you've ever been

549
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: someone's grabbed their purse, when you've walked, when you've gotten

550
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: on the elevator with him, pull put a finger away,

551
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: if another person was walked across the street because of

552
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: the way you look. And at the end of this,

553
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: twitch had no fingers left. And she still wasn't even

554
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: done asking all the questions the moderator, and the only

555
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: one that Alison, who's a white woman, had taken away

556
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: is that raised your hand. If you've had to talk

557
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: to your children about the that they're black, because she

558
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: is in an interracial relationship and she has a black

559
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: child by racial child, but who will be seen as

560
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: black to the world. So that to me, and at

561
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: the end of it, it's like, look at how many

562
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: fingers you have up still, look at how many fingers

563
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: you don't. That is white privilege. And I think right

564
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: now people are starting to recognize and be aware that

565
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: they have white privilege. Rather than be offended by it.

566
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: People used to get defensive when you said, oh, it's

567
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: your white privilege. And then that's when you have the

568
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: all lives matter, all lives matter, and it's like we're

569
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: not saying that yours don't. We're not saying good people

570
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: don't matter. We're not saying police don't matter. It's just

571
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: that we're saying, make us matter too, because historically in

572
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: this country we have not mattered. And I was on

573
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: Nick Viles podcast about this and I just want to

574
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: like briefly say it again on this podcast, but the

575
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: reason we feel like our lives don't matter in this

576
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: country is because they haven't. You know, from the time

577
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: we were kidnapped off the shores of Africa, like we

578
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: didn't ask to be a part of this country. We

579
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: were kidnapped, we were brought here on slave ships. Most

580
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: of us died on the way here, either of starvation

581
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: or disease. And then when we did get here, we

582
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: were placed on a platform, chained sold like we were

583
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: animals based on how strong we looked, whether we looked

584
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: like we could bear a lot of children. And then

585
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: from there we were taken to the plantation. We were beaten,

586
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: we were raped, We were not called by our names,

587
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: we were not allowed we were not taught to read right.

588
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: You weren't allowed to talk in your native language. A

589
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: religion that wasn't yours was forced upon you. You had nothing,

590
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: and then even when slavery ended, you still had no rights.

591
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: In this country. We were considered three fifths of a person.

592
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: Imagine that you're not even deemed an entire, a whole person.

593
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: Then you have other laws, segregation, Jim Crow, that have

594
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: continued to hold us back as black people. It's the

595
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: list goes on and on. And I don't know if

596
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: you've seen this documentary, but there's this documentary called Thirteenth

597
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: which talks about what the thirteenth Amendment is about abolishing slavery,

598
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: but it talks about all the ways that we've still

599
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: are continued to be enslaved as black people by systems

600
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: like the prison system, like the war on drugs. And

601
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: it's very, very informative, and I encourage everyone to watch

602
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: it if you haven't, because it really breaks down how

603
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: black people have been oppressed in so many different ways

604
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: in this country. And that is why we are screaming

605
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: Black lives matter, because we are just simply asking for

606
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: you to put us on the same page and on

607
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: the same level that you're on. Rachel, going back when

608
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: we were talking about the term white privilege, and as

609
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: you say, like if people used to get so offended

610
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: by this, I think the word privilege is has in

611
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: itself has such a bad connotation. And here's the thing, Like,

612
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: I grew up in obviously a white family in a

613
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: predominantly white community in Minnesota, and I grew up and

614
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: I had amazing role models. I'm very lucky for that.

615
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: Like we grew up by the golden treat others as

616
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: you would want to be treated, which I try us

617
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: to live by. But I also now as I'm getting

618
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: older and growing up and educating and learning more and

619
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: talking to people about this, actually having this conversation to

620
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: start with, which is something that, let's be honest, I

621
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have had with friends when I was back

622
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: in college. It's you know, it's not something that we

623
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: talked about growing up in high school. And so the

624
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: fact that we're having this conversation now is the right step.

625
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: But but to acknowledge that that it is there, the

626
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: white privilege is there, whether we knew about it when

627
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: I was growing up or not, like at least now

628
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: we're acknowledging it. And I had a point and I

629
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: just lost it and I'm so sorry. That's what I

630
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: was going off on a tangent. But and for me,

631
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's and I have to admit it. It's

632
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: taken me a lot longer, like knowing things now. I

633
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: wish I would have known this when I was eighteen.

634
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: I wish I would have known this when I was twelve.

635
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: Even talking to my sister, who was a preschool teacher,

636
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: She's like, how can we start enforcing this at such

637
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: a young age to realize like where people come from

638
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: and that everyone has a different background, and that whites

639
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: are privileged to a certain extent where they don't have

640
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: to worry about certain things like you know, Rich, I'm

641
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: sure you probably had to worry about growing up. And

642
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: so it's like for people. For me, I had a

643
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: conversation with somebody a couple days ago and she's like,

644
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: where does it start and where it does it end?

645
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Speaker 1: She's like, yes, I believe that black lives matter, but

646
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: I want to be kind to all people, and so

647
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: where do I start and where does it end? Like

648
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: she was watching the riots and these protests and everything

649
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: go down these past couple of nights on the news,

650
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: and she's like, so, where does it end? And this

651
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: was prior to in the case of George Floyd, this

652
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: was prior to any of the officers being arrested, and

653
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: especially the three remaining officers being arrested and charged. And

654
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: so she's like, is it once Derek Chauvin or Chauvin

655
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: once he's arrested, does it end? Or once the other

656
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: three men are arrested? And it is like, quite honestly,

657
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was like, and this is a

658
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: conversation that you can have with me, but you can

659
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: have with so many other people. But you just have

660
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: to start somewhere. And there was a post on Instagram

661
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: that I saw and I had reposted on my story

662
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: of there's different ways people react and try to hopefully

663
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: aid and assist in different ways. Whether it's going to

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00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: a protest, whether it's speaking up for somebody who needs

665
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: it in that moment, whether it's donating, whether it's taking

666
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: part in different organizations that you can get involved in.

667
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: There's all these different lanes and you have to choose,

668
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: like what's best for you. I mean for me personally,

669
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: it would be super easy to donate and put my

670
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: money out there, but to me that's personally not enough.

671
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: To somebody else, that could be difficult based upon financial means.

672
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: But you have to start somewhere. And it's beyond just

673
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: posting a black square. It's beyond that. It's like actually

674
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: taking charge and action, which is and I Rachel and

675
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: I want to get into this um with Garrett with

676
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: my fiance about it's more than just posting a black

677
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: square and saying black lives matter a blackout Tuesday. Where

678
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: do you start and where do you continue to go

679
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: from there? Before you get into Garrett, I want to

680
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: say this because I want to answer your question about

681
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: like where do you where does it start? Where does

682
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: it end? Does it end when the officers are arrested?

683
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: And the answer to that is I don't know when

684
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: it ends. It's like I think racism will always exist,

685
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: but it's more of chipping away from you know, like

686
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: the there's this thing about that. It's like an iceberg, right,

687
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: like what we're what we're seeing, there's so much more

688
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: underneath the surf fist of it. But it's about chipping

689
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: away at the ice and I heard somebody say this,

690
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: that racism you know everyone's talking about. You got to

691
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: read up on it, you got to learn on it.

692
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's a heart issue.

693
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: What is in your heart and is that enough to

694
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: change it? And it's not this overt racism where we're

695
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: running around in hoods with Confederate flag you know, white

696
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: sheets with Confederate flags wrapped around us, burning crosses in

697
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: black people's yards. I think people think, oh, I'm not

698
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: like that, so it's different. It's this subtle, internalized racism

699
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: that you have to fight. It's the covert racism that's

700
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: the scariest type of racism. But to answer your question

701
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: too about will it end, I think what people have

702
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: to remember that maybe people who are just now understanding

703
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: the movement and are being educated on it is the

704
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: reason black people are still not just black people, but

705
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: the reason people are still protesting is because if you

706
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: recall of the nineteen ninety two riots when Rodney King's

707
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: the beating of Rodney King, the officers going on trial

708
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: and the officers getting off, the riots came because the

709
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: officers got off. What you're saying now is because of

710
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: what happened, and because they weren't charged, we still have

711
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: to go through a trial. We need to determine if

712
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: they're going to be convicted. That's why the fight isn't over.

713
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: And as black people, we've seen George Zimmerman get off.

714
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: We've seen the officers and Rodney King and the Rodney

715
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: King case get off. We've seen Philando Castile which happened

716
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis as well a murder right on Facebook Live

717
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: and he got off. And so we're hopeful, but we're

718
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: skeptical because we know what can happen. It's not the

719
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: end of the story. And even as George Floyd, we're

720
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: focused on that. There have been other cases that have

721
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: continued to pop up about people dying at the hands

722
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: of the police. So when will it end? Becca? I mean,

723
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: we can at the end talk about ways we can help,

724
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, And that's

725
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: the thing, I don't know if it ever will end.

726
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: There's always going to be corruption and people who want

727
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: to provoke things in such a bad negative way. But

728
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: I have to try to have faith and try to

729
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: have a voice and try to continue to fight for

730
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: what I believe in. And which is what I want

731
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: to get into in terms of Garrett, because I don't

732
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: know if people are listening. I mean, you know, hopefully

733
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: you've been watching the news and I've seen everything go down.

734
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: You've seen the Black Lives Matter and the protests in

735
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: this movement that's been taking place. But Garrett, my fiance,

736
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: not the Garrett on Hannaby season, but my fiance yesterday

737
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: had put out a post that was the black square

738
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: with a blue sin line through it and basically talking

739
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: about you know, cops lives matters, Lives Matter two. And

740
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: I've had all day long yesterday, I've had a conversation

741
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: all night long. I've had a conversation with him and

742
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: Rachel and I had a conversation before this, and I

743
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: want to come at this in a way where this

744
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: is not easy to talk about, because I want to

745
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: Garrett is my fiancee, and I love him and to

746
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: his core, I believe that he is a good person.

747
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: What he posted yesterday I don't align with and I

748
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: don't agree with. And I've talked to him about this

749
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: and the main reason is I think in his mind,

750
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: and even talking to him about before starting this podcast,

751
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: in his mind he's saying, well, I want to be

752
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: able to support my friends and family in law enforcement,

753
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: and in his mind, it's so like black and white

754
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: and that's it, and I want to support black lives

755
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: and I want to support cops. In my mind, that

756
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: is taking away from the bigger issue at hand, which

757
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: is what we're talking about, which is this underlying racism

758
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: in our country, which is the white privilege him and

759
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: I have grown up to, you know, and now recognize.

760
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: And it's taking away from the real reason why we're

761
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: hopefully in this fight. And I'm not saying that. I

762
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: don't think And Rachel, please jump in, and I want

763
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: to hear your point of view and your take on this.

764
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: I don't think where he was coming at it. I

765
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: don't think he meant it in a malicious way. I

766
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: do think it was tone deaf, and it was the

767
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: wrong time, and it was the wrong message and sentiment.

768
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: And I personally am trying to have conversations. My family

769
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: is personally trying to have conversations with him about this

770
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: and talk in a line and see points of view.

771
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm very stubborn, so it's hard for me to see

772
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: other people's points of view, like where he's coming from.

773
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: But I wanted to address that, and and I don't

774
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: want to take away from this entire conversation because it's

775
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: so much more than him. But seeing what is posted

776
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: in what's going on and his of things is what

777
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: is very prevalent. I think throughout our country. You're saying

778
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: what he posted, his line of thinking is what's prevalent

779
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: in our country. I think I think for him, he

780
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: doesn't realize the extent. And I think he posted it thinking,

781
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, I want to support the cops, like that

782
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: bottom line. That was his mentality, And I'm trying to

783
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: get him to see the bigger picture and to see

784
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,479
Speaker 1: but you're taking away from this movement that black people

785
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: have worked so hard for and that white people are

786
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: finally stepping up more and having a greater voice in.

787
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: And I think the thinking where it's like, oh, you know,

788
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: but I want to support everyone is I'm not saying that,

789
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: like the support for people is wrong, but where you

790
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: place it at times is not correct to me. I

791
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm making sense, you are making sense.

792
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: But before I give my opinion, the one thing when

793
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: I saw Garrett's post, I was taken aback and I

794
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: was like, well, damn, I mean, there's so much going on.

795
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to this conversation that I have

796
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: to have with Becca, and now we got to talk

797
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: about this because if I don't, I'm a hypocrite. Because

798
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: one I speak out, you know, when I'm offended or

799
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: things affects me, but also I speak out, like when

800
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: it's just wrong. So when I read his post, I

801
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: think what was so troubling for me, in addition to

802
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: just the thin blue line, is that I don't understand

803
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: when he says I've listened, learned, helped, supported, and I've grown,

804
00:44:54,040 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: And then everything thereafter contradicts that entire line. So before

805
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: I even like give my whole thought on it, what

806
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: is it that Garrett, and I think people also listening

807
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: want to know this. What is it that he has learned?

808
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: And how is it that he's grown? Because we don't

809
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: see it with this statement, I think for him, and

810
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to put words in his mouth, that's

811
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: not my place, but knowing him and where he's coming from,

812
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: I think when he posted this and when he wrote

813
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: out these words, I truly think he was seeing it

814
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: in a one track mind of a couple of days ago,

815
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: I posted for the Black Lives Matter, but he has

816
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: a lot of friends and family in law enforcement. That

817
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: was a major thing for him growing up. And I

818
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: think he was like, but I see now my buddy's partner.

819
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: I think what triggered him is his buddy's partner got

820
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: shot in the back of a head during one of

821
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: these riots. And he's like, I want to stand by

822
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: the cops too, and to say that I think that

823
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: there's good cops out there, which there are. But I

824
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: also think when I say it's taking away from the movement.

825
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: I try to say, but Garrett, like, think of all

826
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: of the people in the black community who have had

827
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: to deal with this, who have been dealing with police brutality,

828
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: and to get pulled over and ask point blank before

829
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: anything's even and said like, how many weren't out for

830
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: your rest? Like they have had to deal with this,

831
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: and the black community has had to deal with this

832
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: to a far greater extent than we'll ever know. And

833
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: I think the sense I think his heart is in

834
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: the right place. I think it's bad timing and it

835
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: does come across a tone deaf, and this is what

836
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: has he learned. He said that he's learned and he's grown.

837
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: And the reason that that statement sticks out to me

838
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: is because and touched on it before, that he has

839
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: had problematic behavior on social media that plays right into

840
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: this post. And so when you say you've learned, you've grown,

841
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that you're saying from what had happened two

842
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: years ago. So I think I think in this case,

843
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: I think for him, And again I don't want to

844
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: put words in his mouth when he when he has

845
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: typed those words, I've learned it and I've grown. I

846
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: think it's from this finally recognizing that we do have

847
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: an underlying white privilege, that we were privy to certain

848
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: things growing up that a lot of other people in

849
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: this country haven't. But I think in that case that's

850
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: what he meant. Again, I don't know, and I definitely

851
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: will ask him. And one thing too is before I

852
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: came on this podcast, he made a comment, and I

853
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: don't I would like him to be more vocal and

854
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: to whether it's on a podcast or whether it's on

855
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: an Instagram live or whatever it might be, I would

856
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: like him to address also more of the back history

857
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: to it and the problematic like set occurred two years ago.

858
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: In his mind and and and it's not okay, I'm

859
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: not justifying it, but he for some of them, he

860
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: legit did not read the comments, which I don't agree with.

861
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that's okay. I think you need to

862
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: be reading. And if you want to double tap something,

863
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: you need to be able to defend it and say why.

864
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: And in that case he didn't. And so he even

865
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: said today he's like, well, I want to come on

866
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: and say something, because he's like, I think in the

867
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: past when I was double tapping, I wasn't reading through

868
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And he's like, and that's what I

869
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: feel like people are doing from my post right now

870
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: is they're seeing they're seeing this black box with the

871
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: thin blue line and basically taking it as like, cops

872
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: lives matter, and that is what it means. That's one

873
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: hundred what that means. I don't care what he wrote

874
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: after it, that's what it means. Yeah, And so I

875
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: think that's how he's correlating the two in that regard.

876
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: And so again like, it's not I need to stand

877
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: out for when I don't believe in something, and I

878
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: don't think that that was the time or the place

879
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: or the right sentiment, but I think for him and

880
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: I want him to speak on this. I do. We're

881
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: struggling too right now, like this isn't there's a lot

882
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: going on and now I'm dealing with this And I

883
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: told you Rachel earlier, like I'm literally trying to wrap

884
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: my head around everything and to figure out, like where

885
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: do we go from here? And so it's a it's

886
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: a tough position, and I don't want to and I

887
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: don't want to be like woe is me, But I'm

888
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: really just trying to figure it out and see because

889
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: I know him more than most people. I know him

890
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: more than you do and than anyone listening. And I've

891
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: lived with him for the past two years to see

892
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: him change and he has become more understanding, but there's

893
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: still a lot of growth and more education and changing

894
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: of mindsets that I would like to see take place. Yeah. So,

895
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: and I think that it's very brave of you to

896
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: have to and hard for you to have to speak

897
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: out against your fiance and say what you know, like

898
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: how you feel. And I know you've gotten a lot

899
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: of backlash for it, and I know you've also been

900
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: going through your things personally, and when I spoke to you.

901
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: That was my first thought, as like, man, she's already

902
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: going through some things and now she's got to deal

903
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: with this. And you and I have talked, and nothing

904
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: that I'm about to say is what I haven't already

905
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: told you. I would also like to say that Becca

906
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: told me that I could say to not hold back.

907
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: I would just like to preface that, and I said,

908
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: you know, but I wanted her to know that I

909
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: am actually struggling and how to respond because Becca and

910
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: I do have a friendship, and I genuinely care about

911
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: you and your well being, and so I'm acknowledge how

912
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: hard this is for you. But as a black woman,

913
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 1: it is very important for me to tell you how

914
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: Garrett's post made me feel. And and this is taking

915
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: it back because this is not an isolated incident with

916
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: with Garrett's behavior and I and I told you this,

917
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: and I never spoke out about what Garrett did when

918
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: you would you went through during your season, I didn't

919
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: talk about it, and it was out of respect for

920
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: you and your relationship and more of you know it

921
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: just I just didn't feel like it was my place.

922
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: You didn't say it. If you had said it, I

923
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: would have said something, so I just let it go,

924
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: And through getting to know you and Garrett, it's like, Okay,

925
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: I know Wherebecca is in all of this, So maybe

926
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot that she's been able to teach him

927
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: through love can really soften your heart and make you

928
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: learn a lot of new things. Then when I fast

929
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: forward to two years now and then this post happens,

930
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: it's as I told you a fool me once. Shame

931
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: on you, fool me twice, shame on me. To me,

932
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: this is really how Garrett. This is what Garrett thinks.

933
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: This is how Garrett is, and I don't it's to you.

934
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: I compared it to Drew Brees. Four years ago, Drew

935
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: Brees was very vocal against Colin Kaepernick taking a knee

936
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: and felt it was extremely disrespectful to the flag. Four

937
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: years later, he does an interview and doubles down and

938
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: reiterates that same belief. He is only now responding to

939
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: the backlash that he received, first in a written apology,

940
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: then in a video. So to me, everything that you're

941
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: doing right now is a reaction to the backlash, because

942
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: in four years you didn't change your heart, you didn't

943
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: change your stance. So when I look at what Garrett

944
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: has done with He posted a black box. He never

945
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: said black lives matter. He posted fists of every color,

946
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: which to me is like everybody all lives right. And

947
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: then the very next post is the thin blue line

948
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: with a heart felt, thought out caption that he said

949
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: with his chest And to me, that is what you

950
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: feel and that is how you believe. I don't think

951
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: Garrett is malicious, but Garrett is what the problem is

952
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: because it goes back to me saying you don't have

953
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: to be riding around with white sheets on to be

954
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: doing things that are racist, to doing things that ignore

955
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: what people oppress people are going through in this country.

956
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: I know Garrett has a good heart, but the fact

957
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: that he is willing to equate Blue Lives Matter with

958
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: Black lives matter shows me that you don't get it.

959
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: And Garrett is not an idiot. And I think that

960
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: you aren't willing to what Garrett's post to me went

961
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: is to me meant is that you are not willing

962
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: to unlearn the world that you live in. Because I

963
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: said to you, I bet Garrett doesn't have many black

964
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: friends in his life, and so then so when you

965
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: don't have that in your life. It is very easy

966
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: for you to ignore it. You don't feel the oppression,

967
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: you don't feel the suffering in your bubble, and you

968
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: are in your world, which is why to him, cops

969
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: lives matter. That is what he wants to focus on,

970
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: because that is the world that he's living in. He's

971
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: not affected by black lives matter. It's almost as if

972
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything to him. And I feel I

973
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: can say that because of the posts that I saw.

974
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he doesn't like me. I'm not

975
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: saying that I don't matter to him. But to me,

976
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: you don't get what we're screaming for because at the

977
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: end of the day, I don't choose to be black.

978
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: I was born this way. I can't go home at

979
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: night and peel my skin off and no longer be

980
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: a black person. I'm black all day, every day of

981
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: my life. Police officers choose to become a police officer.

982
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: You face dangers, You take an oath to serve and protect.

983
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: It is a choice that you have made, and you

984
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: face inherent risk of the job in doing that profession.

985
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: Nobody is saying that your lives don't matter. Nobody is

986
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: saying that police officers aren't good people. But by Ga

987
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: putting that message out there, you are perpetuating that thinking that, yeah,

988
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: we hear your lives matter, but our lives matter too,

989
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: And you're missing the entire point of why we are

990
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: screaming out what we are going through in this country.

991
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: And frankly, you're missing the point because you don't have

992
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: to care. That is the message that Garrett is sending out.

993
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to care because black people aren't in

994
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: a part of his life. Yeah, and Rachel to play

995
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: into that, you are correct, like, sure, yes he has

996
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: some black friends, but not close and he definitely and

997
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 1: he'll admit this too. He has so many more friends

998
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: in his inner circle and family members who are cops

999
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: or how a patrolman, or who are in that law

1000
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: enforcement position. And that's what he sees, that's what he knows.

1001
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: And now, which is kind of what I feel like,

1002
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: is my job as a partner and I would I

1003
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: would do this if it was Garrett or anyone else,

1004
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: is to say, like, you know, you grew up knowing

1005
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: that that road and knowing that and seeing that and

1006
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: wanting to have faith in the law enforcement and the police.

1007
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,959
Speaker 1: You don't necessarily see your black friends in the black

1008
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: community as much because you just like you haven't been

1009
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: around it. And so for me, like, these are conversations

1010
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: we are having on a daily basis, on a nightly

1011
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: basis with my family, Like and Rachel, I mentioned this

1012
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: to you, Like my sister came home yesterday from Madison,

1013
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: and she brought up all of the same points you're

1014
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: bringing up right now, Like why can you only do

1015
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: the hashtag that it's blackout Tuesday on Tuesday and then

1016
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: two days later you have this long heartfelt thought out

1017
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: post for cops And so she has brought up all

1018
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: of these points. I'm trying to bring up all of

1019
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: these points all I can say right now. And there's

1020
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: so much discussion and conversation that him and I still

1021
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: have yet to be had. And so I hope that

1022
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: everyone listening can give us that respect to have that

1023
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: and to and to even reach out to people who

1024
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: no way more than I do, like you or anyone

1025
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: or to sorry one no, no, go ahead, go ahead.

1026
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: Oh And so I'm trying my best right now. It's

1027
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: it's going to be a work in progress. I again, like,

1028
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: all I can say is I hear you when I

1029
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,479
Speaker 1: see your points of view, and I hope that once

1030
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: him and I can talk about this more and continue

1031
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: to have this conversation, he will will begin to see

1032
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: that as well. You know. And I keep saying he

1033
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: didn't mean it maliciously, and maybe that's the wrong phrase

1034
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: to use. It is the wrong phrase to use. I'm sorry,

1035
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: I have to tell you that it is the wrong

1036
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: phrase because it's excusing it. Garrett didn't wake up in

1037
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and racism was just here. If you have

1038
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: chosen to not educate yourself or to learn to know

1039
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: what's going on, it is a choice, and most of

1040
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: the time you choose to do it because you don't

1041
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: have to care. You know, when your circle it doesn't

1042
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: have people of color in it. Why and this is

1043
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: just a general statement, why would you step out to

1044
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: care about the injustices that they're facing when it doesn't

1045
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: affect you at all? And Garrett is a prime example

1046
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: of what I'm saying is a problem in the society.

1047
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: And this is a question that I was going to

1048
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: ask you, but and I because I hear you talk,

1049
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: and it's more of I don't understand. I don't understand

1050
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: why people are just now like this is what makes

1051
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: me emotional, Like I don't understand why people are just

1052
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: now getting it. We have been going through so much

1053
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: in this country, and it's like, oh, today I'm going

1054
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: to amplify black voices. Today is Blackout Tuesday. Today I'm

1055
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: gonna support and educate and read a book about black

1056
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: people and watch a movie. We've fucking been going through

1057
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: this shit and I don't understand say, and why when

1058
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: you say, oh his, it wasn't malicious or oh his,

1059
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just now understanding things. No, like you

1060
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: have to admit that you've made a choice to not

1061
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: see it. And my question to you originally was going

1062
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: to be why is it that white people are just

1063
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: now acting like racism started in twenty twenty. Why is

1064
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: it that just now we have your attention? Like I

1065
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: I think I'll just let you answer the question. No,

1066
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: and and Rachel, like I not to be teasier, but

1067
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: like I want to reach out and hug you because

1068
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: I do hear you. And and that question is I

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Speaker 1: don't think I think coming from just seeing people's mindsets

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Speaker 1: and how I think like for the longest time, it

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00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: was the excuse of you know, we don't see it,

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01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: we're not living it. We don't have the community around us,

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01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: like it's just easier to go about our day. And

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Speaker 1: like one example is and this, and I brought this

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01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: up to gear as we know, somebody who literally didn't

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01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: even know like what was going on in the news,

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01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: had no idea about the protests, had no idea about

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01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: the riots, nothing like, had zero clue as to what

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Speaker 1: was happening. And in my mind, it's like, I never

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Speaker 1: want to be that person. I never want to be

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01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: so blinded by what's going on or to take quote

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Speaker 1: unquote the easy route in this matter, just because it's

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01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: going to be easier and I'm not gonna have to

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Speaker 1: deal with it, and because I'm white, I shouldn't have

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01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: to get involved. I think that's the wrong mindset for

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Speaker 1: anyone to take. And and and it's it's it makes

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01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: me sick to as you say, like why does it

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01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: take why is it twenty twenty and why are people

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Speaker 1: just starting to speak out? And I'll admit I am

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01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: part of the problem. I think everyone around me has

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01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: been in some extent part of the problem. And I

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01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: don't know what else to say besides like I want

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01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: to be the active change. Maybe I'm a little late

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01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: to the game, and I think a lot of people

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01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: are too. But I don't want to just take the

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01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: easy road and to turn a blind eye because it's

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Speaker 1: going to be easier for me, and oh and just

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01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: post happy things on social media, Like that's not how

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Speaker 1: I want to live my life. And so for me myself,

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Speaker 1: that's what I can say and talking about. And I

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Speaker 1: want to get to this later on, like where do

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Speaker 1: we go from here? But I don't want to be

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01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: complacent in this anymore. And I think that's what I'm

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01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: seeing with other people is there's been a problem for

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01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: way longer than we've probably ever recognized and spoke out about.

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Speaker 1: But you have to recognize that and move on, and

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01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: it's better to start now than never. I just you're

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01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: right in what you're saying. It's just that's why I

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01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: get emotional because a message what Garrett posted totally contradicts

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01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: the movement that we're trying to push forward, and to

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01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: see so many people like it, and it's like, and

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01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: that's why it's like Garrett. The thinking that Garrett has

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01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: is a bigger problem. I'd rather I'd rather somebody be

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01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: blatantly racist, right, So then I know what I'm dealing with.

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01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: The problem is the people who don't realize what they're

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01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: doing is a form of racism. The problem is people

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01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: who are putting things out there that are against the movement.

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01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: And the problem is people who are doing things that

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01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: perpetuate and play into a particular behavior, which is what

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Speaker 1: I have an issue with the Bachelor franchise. Garrett's post

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01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: is the problem and the thinking that went into it.

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01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: You don't think black people have law enforcement in their family.

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01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: You don't think black people have known a person that's

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: a law enforcement family member, that's of law enforcement, that

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01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: has been a victim to violence. It's just like, it's

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01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: very selfish and it's your white privilege to think that

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01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: that is the message that you need to put out

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Speaker 1: when Black people are so are just suffering at such

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01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: a in such a huge way in this country. That

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Speaker 1: is the thinking that we are trying to combat. Like

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that. His heart isn't malicious

1132
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: like I's. He's not stupid, he knows what he's doing.

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01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: He purposely put that out there, more concerned about putting

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Speaker 1: a post out there for his family and the people

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01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: he knows, rather than having the heart to understand and

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01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: empathize with the people he doesn't know. And that is

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01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: the problem. And there are many of Garrets out there

1138
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: who are doing that, and you can see it by

1139
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: all the comments that he has under the post and

1140
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: all the likes that he's getting. That is the bigger

1141
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: and harder problem to fight in this country than the

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01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: people who are just flat out overtly racist. And that

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01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: I guess to segue is to what when it talks

1144
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: about like what you can do and how do you

1145
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: bring things together and bridge the gap? The first thing

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01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: is eliminating that type of behavior. You have to be

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01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: willing to unlearn what you have grown up in for

1148
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: so long, in the bubble that you've been protected. You

1149
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: have to be willing to unlearn, and then you have

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01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: to actively learn. Your heart also has to change. You

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01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: have to want to do it. You have to put

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01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: your needs as non blacks, have to put your pride

1153
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: and your privilege to the side to be there for

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01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: your black brothers and sisters. You're never fully gonna understand

1155
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: what it is that we go through because you just can't.

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01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: As much as you want to try, you just can't.

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01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: You know Brian is married to a black woman, but

1158
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he'll never fully understand

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01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: what I go through as much as he tries. But

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: you have to show that you're willing to help and

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01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: support and stand by. At this point, there is a

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01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: line drawn in the sand, and it is which side

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01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: that you're on. You don't get to be neutral in

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01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: this situation. Garrett's post is neutral. Both of them, the

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01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: black box and the thin blocks, they're both neutral. You

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01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: don't get to be If you're neutral, you're on the

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01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: wrong side. There's only one side to be on this

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01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: and I think it's during this time we will see

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01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: what side of history because we are in a historic moment,

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01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: like people are going to be writing about twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: in history books for all the crazy things that have happened.

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01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: But what side of the of history are you going

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01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: to be on? And I think that is a question

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01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: I can't answer for anybody. It's what you have to

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01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: ask yourself. And that's only and we're only going to

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01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: be able to see and how you act. I'm moving forward,

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Speaker 1: and I guess in bridging the gap, you know, it's

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01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what what are what are your thoughts

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01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: on I want to ask you too, because I mean,

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01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm coming up short, like I'm

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01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to. I'm trying to do my part and

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01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: what I think in my heart is right, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to donate, like I'm in Minneapolis, I'm planning,

1184
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to protest like I want to. I want

1185
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: to proactively do things that I know will hopefully make

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01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: a change for the better. And and it does, let

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01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: me just tell you, it does, Like, well, those don't

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01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: discredit those acts. They do. They do make a change.

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01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: And for me, like right now, I'm again I don't

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01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: want to make this all about Garrett. And but again,

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01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: like the post, a lot of people have that mindset

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01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: of what he posted. And so for me, I mean,

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01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: I have the ability to have this conversation with him constantly,

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01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: day in and day out. I don't have the privilege

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01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,919
Speaker 1: to talk to everyone about it who thinks that way

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01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: because I can't encounter a huge majority. But for him,

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01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: like and I want you to help me too, and

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Speaker 1: I and I'm going to reach out to other resources,

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01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to expand my knowledge and my thinking

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01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: and just the educational tools that I have at my hands,

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01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 1: but I don't know, Like I feel like I'm coming

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01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: up short in that conversation with him, and so I'm

1203
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: sure I'm not the only one who's listening to this

1204
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: who's like what do I do? Where do I go?

1205
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: And for me, like, all I can say is read up,

1206
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: read articles, listen to podcasts. I mean, Rachel, your podcast

1207
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: how you're learning is amazing, thank you. Like I want

1208
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: to donate, I want to protest. That's me, that's what

1209
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable in doing. And I know I can't

1210
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: speak for everyone. Not everyone feels comfortable in doing that.

1211
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: That's for me personally. But where do we go and

1212
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: how do we as listeners who have the same mindset

1213
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: as Garrett, Like what do we do? And how do

1214
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: we continue to have this conversation and like push and

1215
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: change for the better? I think it's it's what I

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01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: heard Maria Taylor say on TV. You have to have

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01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: a heart for this, right, Like I can throw books

1218
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: at you, I can cry in front of you, I

1219
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: can scream, I can plead, I can tell you what

1220
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: movies to watch, But unless you have a heart to

1221
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,759
Speaker 1: want to fix the problem, it's not going to change

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01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: and that is the slight hope or more hope than

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01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: I have seen before in this situation, because you know,

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01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: like an Al Sharpton, I've who's said this is the

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01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: most hopeful he's ever been, and he's somebody who march

1226
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: with doctor King. I'm hopeful because I've seen people react

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01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: in a way that they haven't before. But my fear

1228
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: is that it's trendy and trends end, and when we

1229
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: go back to our normal lives, are you going to

1230
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: go comfortable? Because I've seen I've seen the American response

1231
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: when a police officer assaults a black man and it's

1232
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: caught on video and he screams, I can't breathe. I've

1233
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: seen what happens in America. It's sad we acknowledge it.

1234
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: Black people wear T shirts to say I can't breathe.

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01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: They march, they're screaming Black lives Matter. But then at

1236
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: the end of the day, everybody goes to their normal

1237
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: job and it continues in their life and stays in

1238
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: their bubble and they're not affected by it the same way.

1239
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: Right now, we're in such a different place. So my

1240
01:09:55,200 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: hope is that we continue these conversations and act on

1241
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: these conversations, and there are ways to do it. Yes

1242
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 1: you need to be aware, Yes you need to educate yourself.

1243
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: But if you are as outraged and sickened and disturbed

1244
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: at what is happening to black people in this country,

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01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,839
Speaker 1: then it will stay on your mind and you'll continue

1246
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: to think of how can you create some type of

1247
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: reform in these systems and at what's an issue in

1248
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: what people are protesting is police brutality and the way

1249
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: that black people are treated in the police system in

1250
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: this country. So how do you fix that? Yes, you

1251
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: protest it and you march, but you also vote. And

1252
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: it's not voting just on a national level. It's voting

1253
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: on a local level. It's voting about it's voting in

1254
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: your local elections for these people that elect police or

1255
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: appoint police chiefs who talk with the police unions and

1256
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: negotiate collective collective bargaining and agreements, and who are in

1257
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: charge of the initiatives that you know the police force have.

1258
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: And it's about having independent medical examiners that don't do

1259
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: an autopsy report for George Floyd that says that there

1260
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: were underlying factors as to why he died. You have

1261
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: to go get an independent medical examiner to say, no,

1262
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:21,520
Speaker 1: he was murdered. He died because he choked. It was affixiation.

1263
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: He was affixiated. I'm using that word wrong. You know

1264
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. You have to fight for in local elections,

1265
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: for your state attorney. Who's prosecuting these police officers. Do

1266
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: we need independent prosecutors to come in who don't have

1267
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,799
Speaker 1: any ties to the police force. How do we separate

1268
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: things because they're all connected in the same system. Who's

1269
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: fighting for us in our state legislatures, who's passing through bills?

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01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: And then if you build on that and on the

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01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: national level when it comes to electing a president. I

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Speaker 1: do believe that this is a perfect storm, and that's

1273
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: why all this is happening in an election year. We

1274
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,919
Speaker 1: don't have leadership at the top. We don't have somebody

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01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: who's at the top who is fighting for unity in

1276
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: this country and trying to put race on the agenda

1277
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Speaker 1: and trying to mend race relations in this country. You

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Speaker 1: have somebody who's perpetuating the current behaviors that we have

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Speaker 1: in this country. I do believe that it's also about

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Speaker 1: impacting the next impacting the next generation. If you have

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Speaker 1: children if you have nieces and nephews, what are you

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Speaker 1: going to teach them? How are you going to educate

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Speaker 1: them to where we get rid of this stupid platitude

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Speaker 1: of I don't see color, and no, I do see color.

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Speaker 1: I do see you, I hear you, and I recognize

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Speaker 1: what you've been through in this country, and I want

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Speaker 1: to be a part. I want to be on the

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Speaker 1: other side of it of how we make it better.

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Speaker 1: I think those are the steps that you take to

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Speaker 1: bridge the gap. I think having these uncomfortable conversations. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry if you're listening to this and this has

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Speaker 1: made you feel uncomfortable, and maybe you're tired of hearing

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Speaker 1: people talk about race, but imagine what it is in

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Speaker 1: this country to experience it, right, you're just uncomfortable because

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Speaker 1: you're hearing it. Imagine what it is to experience it

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Speaker 1: every single day. Yeah, And I think and for a

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Speaker 1: lot of our viewers, like I know, after this podcast drops, like,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get messages being I'm saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't subscribe to your podcasts to talk about race

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Speaker 1: or to talk about political issues or whatever it might be.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, also, Rachel and I are human and

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Speaker 1: this is a major thing that we're living within twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty and we can't not address it. So if you

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Speaker 1: just want to listen to like honky Dory easy stuff,

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Speaker 1: there are plenty of other podcasts out there. And that's

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Speaker 1: not to say Rachel and I aren't going to recap

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Speaker 1: the show in the future. But when things well, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to fight for your girl. I don't want

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Speaker 1: anyone else on here with me. But but one thing too,

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Speaker 1: because Garrett and I were talking about this last night,

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Speaker 1: and it was the same conversation, like where do we

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Speaker 1: go from here? You can't just post a black box

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Speaker 1: and say that you care without doing anything, without showing action,

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Speaker 1: and we have to continue to do it. And on

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Speaker 1: a different scale. I can't compare it to this, but like,

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Speaker 1: for instance, in twenty sixteen, but there was all the

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Speaker 1: women's marches all over I took part in one in

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Speaker 1: Minneapolis and it was the most inspiring, impactful, like probably

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Speaker 1: one of the best things I've ever taken part of

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Speaker 1: and one of the best memories I've had and to

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Speaker 1: this day monthly for me. And this is my choice,

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Speaker 1: a route that I chose to take. Like I still

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Speaker 1: play I donate to different women's organizations, Planned Parenthood, Women One. I.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I started to be the label, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to bring a charity aspect to the label, which

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Speaker 1: was Women One. To build a center of youth or

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Speaker 1: a for women in Kenya and to help those women

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Speaker 1: there and the children and the families get better educate

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Speaker 1: and access to food and water, and the list goes

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Speaker 1: on and on, and so you know, that's something I'm

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Speaker 1: very passionate about. And now I hope people can see,

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Speaker 1: like you know, the women's movement, that's something that I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, we took part in and made change in

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Speaker 1: a long time ago, and that's what we're seeing with this.

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Speaker 1: And so all I can do is for me personally,

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Speaker 1: take what I've done there and apply it to this

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Speaker 1: and still lend my voice and talk about things when

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Speaker 1: it's not easy, and stand up against certain leadership that

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Speaker 1: I don't agree in, and try to push the conversation

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Speaker 1: forward with Garrett and with other people when it's not easy,

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Speaker 1: when it is uncomfortable. And that's where I'm going to

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Speaker 1: take a stand and continue to do so, because, like

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Speaker 1: I said, I don't want to be complacent. I hope

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Speaker 1: anyone out there listening doesn't want to be complacent and

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Speaker 1: that you want to make a change, because I don't

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Speaker 1: think anyone wants to live in this state of where

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Speaker 1: our country is right now. I don't think anyone likes it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's I mean, it just like and

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine, Rachel, how you're feeling. But it's like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's eating away at my soul and

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Speaker 1: it's so disheartening, and you wake up day after day

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Speaker 1: wondering what you're going to see on the news and

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna what terrible things you're going to read happened.

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Speaker 1: And again, take I have to take myself out of

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Speaker 1: my mindset there and think about how you have felt, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: or how your family has felt and your friends and

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Speaker 1: the black community has felt. Like it's on such a

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Speaker 1: greater scale that it's just like we need to change

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Speaker 1: and we need to realize that there's white privilege. And please, like,

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Speaker 1: for anyone out there who's listening who's like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: don't have to take part in that, that's where you're wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, I mean very well said, it is where

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Speaker 1: you're wrong. And you know, I I just hope that

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Speaker 1: you know this conversation that we've had. I'm grateful that

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Speaker 1: we were able to have this conversation. I'm grateful that

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Speaker 1: we could be open with one another and we can

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Speaker 1: receive it. And I hope that the example that we're

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Speaker 1: setting here today truly is something that maybe it inspires

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Speaker 1: someone else to have that uncomfortable conversation. I've received a

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Speaker 1: lot of messages where people are saying, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: talk to my parents. I'm trying to Wow, I just

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Speaker 1: said parents like the way you would say it. I

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Speaker 1: said that within Minnesota accident. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: caught that, but I've been talking to me for too long. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did. I've had people say what do I do?

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Speaker 1: How do I go about this? And maybe this conversation

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Speaker 1: could be an example of it. You know, where you

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01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: can talk and you can listen on both sides of it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't really have anything else to add

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Speaker 1: because I think Becca said it beautifully. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll be back to our regular scheduled program, regularly scheduled

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Speaker 1: program next week. We hope that you appreciate at this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Listen if you, we'd love to hear your feedback on it.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people wanted us to address

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Speaker 1: certain things, so I'm glad we were able to do that.

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Speaker 1: You know where you can follow us at Bachelor Happy

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Speaker 1: Hour on Instagram. If you want more of this, if

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01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: you just want to send in some kind of review

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Speaker 1: about this conversation, you can find us on Twitter and

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Speaker 1: Facebook at Batch happy Hour and yeah, you know where

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01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: to subscribe. Share this episode with someone who maybe needed

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Speaker 1: to hear it. That's my challenge to you. That's another

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Speaker 1: way that you can help share this with somebody. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe they're not a fan of the Bachelor, but maybe

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Speaker 1: they just need to hear this conversation. And all it

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Speaker 1: takes is you know, you're putting some action behind your words.

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Speaker 1: So when you know better, you do better, so you

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Speaker 1: can be better. So let's all try to be better.

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Speaker 1: You said the best stage. Thank you.