1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: There's lots of talk in the media out there right 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: now about different receivers who could end up in Baltimore. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: I think that the route for the Ravens is probably 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: to get somebody who gets released. It's the Steve Smith example. Yeah, 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I can see your logic there. And the 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: Ravens aren't a position where they can wait, Uh, They're 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: already it's going to be eating because I just I 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: just feel Eric's aggressive. Everyone knew when that too, doubt 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: and a teen draft pass became so impactful that it 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: was gonna be a challenge to keep all of them 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: long term. I think Lamar is a question of when, 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: not if, you'll get his deal. To me, it's like, 13 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: can you keep you know, both Orlando and Mark after 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: you signed Lamar, I could see the Chiefs being the 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: Bowls of the nineties, and that's what scares me. I mean, 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: there was no talk this year in a pandemic about 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl angle. They just rolled. But in a 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: one game scenario, if you're there, but then who knows. 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: All you can really do is make sure that you're 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: knocking on the door along with them, Welcome into the lounge. 21 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: There's lots of discuss is the off season rolls on here. 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: Super Bowl weekend is coming up, and we have Clifton 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: Brown here to break down where things stand. Cliff is 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: stepping in for Ryan this week. It's vacation season for Ryan. 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: So for listeners who have been longtime listeners of the Lounge, 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: you know that once the calendar turns to February, we 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: don't see Ryan until it's around August. You know, Basically 28 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,639 Speaker 1: he's out of the mix for the next six months 29 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: and then once August hits here returns for three days 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: a week and that's the extent that Ryan works the 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: entire year. So Cliff, you're stepping in for right, Well, 32 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad to see you're not taking it easy like 33 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: your guy man. I'm glad to be here. We missed Ryan. 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: It glad to step in form Glad I'm still the 35 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: number one call out a bull man. I will gladly 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: accept that role. Yeah, you're the number one call out 37 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: of the bullpen. You're the closer. You wear a lot 38 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: of different hats, so six man, Cliff, you what you 39 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: do it all. So there's a number of things that 40 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: we want to talk about right now. It's the off season, 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: Like I said, so there's things that are changing rapidly, 42 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: and even since the podcast last week, there's been a 43 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: number of changes. Ravens signed Nick Boyle to a contract extension. 44 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: The Ravens have also lost a number of assistant coaches. 45 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this has been unlike any year that I 46 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: can remember in terms of an exodus of assistant coaches, 47 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: and other teams around the league and colleges are plucking 48 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: assistance off of John Harbaugh's staff to fill out their staffs. 49 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: Um really testament to what he's built. Um so. And 50 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: then there's also the standard offseason talk what kind of 51 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: wide receiver is gonna fit. Everyone's looking ahead to the 52 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: draft already. We're not gonna take a deep diving into 53 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: the draft or anything like that, but um, Cliff, I 54 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: just want to start the conversation here around the coaches, 55 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: because like I said, this is this is new. Um 56 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: every year this I feel like a coach or two. 57 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: But to see the number of coaches who have left, um, 58 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, a number on the defensive side, Joe Collins, Sterling, Lucas, 59 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, jesse mentor Zachary or uh this week, and 60 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: then on the offensive side, David Coley, head coach of Houston. 61 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: Congratulations to him. Um. And then and then after that, 62 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: um uh you know, then it's Andy Bischoff, tight end coach. Um. 63 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: So a lot has changed in the past week. What 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: is your take on all that right now? Well, yeah, 65 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, congratulations all those guys number one, all 66 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: excellent coaches. They will be missed. Uh. The Ravens have 67 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: already addressed, uh, filling some of those spots. I think 68 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: Rob Ryan, you know, great addition linebackers coach, will bring 69 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: a lot of enthusiasm, the typical Ryan personality. There are 70 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: no Ryans who are introverted, so I think he'll add 71 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: lot of life to practices and to that side of 72 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: the ball. And then obviously uh and Andy, we are 73 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: at a really good reputation too, coming from Houston, so 74 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 1: I think that it's something that when you are successful, 75 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: it happens. I still think it's huged that both Wink 76 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: Martindale and Greg Roman have returned and their roles as coordinators. 77 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: I think that, Yeah, that's the craziest thing, Cliff. It's 78 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: like you don't often see an assistant coaching staff lose 79 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: so many guys. Yet the coordinators. All three of them, Wink, 80 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: Roman and Chris Horton have all remained in place. That's 81 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: the crazy thing about all this it is and I'm 82 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, I'm really shocked that uh Wink didn't get 83 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: way more interest as a head coach than he did. 84 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: I mean, considering the job that he's done here and 85 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: Greg Roman as well, since they've been here, you would 86 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: think that there would be more interest. Um. I think 87 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: their day is going to come. But certainly in a 88 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: year we've lost so many other coaches. I do believe 89 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: that it's it's still is very key that those guys 90 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: will be back, and of course, with John's experience putting 91 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: its staff together, I think the Rains will be fine. 92 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: But it will be a different vibe to practice. Um. 93 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: You know, Colley was a guy who very enthusiastic at practice. 94 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: People love working with him. I think rob Ryan will 95 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: bring some of that type of energy to the practice field. 96 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, it will be an adjustment for the players 97 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: working with some new guys. But I think all in 98 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: all it is going to be just fine. Mm hmm. 99 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: The Coli move I think probably gives I don't know 100 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: what the word is, confidence or or optimism for guy 101 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: like wink who didn't get any calls to be head 102 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: coach this offseason, which shocked me. Um and when a 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: guy the league is moving younger in terms of these 104 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: coaches everyone, I feel like, you know, the Sean McVeigh 105 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: thing has I think inspired some of these teams to 106 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: go younger. Um, Matt Lafleur has had success obviously in 107 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: Green Bay, and so teams look for younger head coaches, 108 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: certainly on the offensive side of the ball, but we've 109 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: seen that on on the other side too, And I 110 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: think that for a guy like wink Uh, you know, 111 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: has been in the league a long time, to not 112 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: get any calls, you know, there's a feeling of, well, 113 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: is it gonna happen. Maybe not, Maybe he's just gonna 114 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: be a career assistant coordinator. But then you see David Coley, 115 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: who I think is sixty five, is that the right 116 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: stage five and has been in the league, He's been 117 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: in the league for for all these years, and then 118 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: he finally gets his shot at this time when I'm 119 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: sure he had felt like, you know, it may never happen, 120 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: It might not happen for me, Um, just be a 121 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: career assistant, which could be great, but it just felt 122 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: like it may not happen. And then he gets the 123 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: opportunity in Houston, which is a credit to him and 124 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: how he handled that interview obviously, But you know, I 125 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: just feel like, you know, someone like John Harrible has 126 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: said over time that he tells his assistant coaches like 127 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: it'll happen when it's meant to happen, um, And I 128 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: feel like Colley is an example of that. And I 129 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: wonder if that, you know, makes you think that next 130 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: year or a year after or whenever wink or maybe Roman, 131 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: we'll get that opportunity to Yeah, well, the door has 132 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: not closed for sure for either one of them. I mean, 133 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: I think it could very well happen for both. I'm 134 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: also not trying to push him out of town. Do 135 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: you want to say that I'm not trying to rush 136 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: either the now. I like both of them being here 137 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: in Baltimore. I think that's important to say. Yeah, well, 138 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I mean, what's wrong with the experience. Um, 139 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: it's fine to be young and you know, to be 140 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: a guy who can bring energy and maybe stay as 141 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: your head coach for a number of years. Everyone is 142 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: looking for the type of coach at John Harball was 143 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: when he came to the Ravens, uh, Mike tim and 144 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: when he came to the Steelers, a young coach that 145 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: who could set the tone for organization and hopefully stay 146 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: for a long time. But experience is very key in 147 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: my opinion, particularly experienced at the NFL level, and Win 148 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: Martindale and Gregg Roman have that and they all so 149 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: uh really have a strong relationship with players. I mean 150 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: you here all the time players talking about how they 151 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: relate to Wink. I think that's true with Color too, 152 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: that regardless of how old you are, some people have 153 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: an ability to relate with players better than others. And 154 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: so you know, Wink is a guy along with Greg too. 155 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: I think if you get them in a room and 156 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: talk to them, you can't come help, but come away 157 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: and be impressed. And yes, uh, maybe Collie getting his 158 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: first opportunity being an older coach, and both of those 159 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: guys will help them, you know, open open some doors 160 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: for them and maybe help some of these general matches 161 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: owners looking at some of the more experienced candidates a 162 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: little bit differently. So something that you know, whenever you 163 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: lose coaches and you gotta replace something, and you talked 164 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: about some of the guys that are coming in Anthony Weaver, 165 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: Rob Bryan. I did a final drive on this this 166 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: week where I talked about how I really think that 167 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: replacing Cohli is of the bigger moves for the off season. 168 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: Uh for the Ravens. I don't know if you agree 169 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: with me on that, but it's not a coordinator role. However, 170 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: the receiver receiver coach position is so critical when you 171 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: look at the Ravens have a bunch of young guys there, 172 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna guess they're gonna probably draft at least one, 173 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: maybe early. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if they 174 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: used a first round or second round pick on a receiver. 175 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: I would not rule that out. Um, And so you're 176 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: gonna have a young receiving corps. Collie also is the 177 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: passing game coordinator. Now, I don't know if they're going 178 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: to hire somebody to be a passing game coordinator. That's 179 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: not a guarantee that I think that they do that, 180 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: but they certainly could. Also I'll be curious to see 181 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: whether they replaced Collie with with one person or they 182 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: could do someone who's a passing a coordinator, someone who's 183 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: a receiver's coach, how they've split up that role, if 184 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: they do that at all. But both of those things 185 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: are really important passing game as a whole, players, coaches, 186 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: Eric Costa, they've all talked about trying to improve that 187 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: this offseason. Then you look at the development of the 188 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: receiving corps, which is so critical as Like, as I 189 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: just mentioned young receiving group. So I don't know who 190 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: that's gonna be. I don't even want to throw out 191 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: names and speculate who that's gonna be because because that's 192 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: all it would be, just it's just throwing darts at 193 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: the dartboard and trying to figure out who could fill 194 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: into that fill that role. But I think that is 195 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: a critical move for the Ravens this offseason. Like you 196 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: agree with that? Am I putting too much stock into 197 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: that into that move, into that decision? Well, I was 198 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: just phrased it like this, Um, it's really key that 199 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: the Ravens young receivers continue to develop. I mean, obviously 200 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: you've got Hollywood, but you've all also got Miles Boykin, 201 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: Devindu Rene, James Brochet. The Ravens have obviously invested a 202 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: lot of draft capital in wide receivers the past couple 203 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: of years, and you want these young players to grow 204 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: now you know how they go about doing as far 205 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: as the coaching side and the passing game, they could 206 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: go a number of ways. Um, they could bring in 207 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: some body of guru offensive guru they feel could scheme 208 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: up you know, wide receiving in their passing game a 209 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: little differently. But you know, John Harball made it very clear, 210 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: you know that he feels that they already run all 211 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: the rounds that NFL teams need to run. That some 212 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: of the passing statistics for the Ravens are kind of 213 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: skewed too towards the negative because they don't throw to 214 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: they throw the ball, you know, fewer chimes. Ain't team 215 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: in the league. But certainly it will be interesting, I 216 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: will say that to see who they bring in uh 217 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: in that role and then how that translates to their 218 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: wide receiver group. I mean, if you can get you know, 219 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: Prochet du Rene Boigan to grow as receivers along with 220 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: what Hollywood has already shown you, then that would take 221 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: the Ravens passing games to another level regards of what 222 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: they do on the coaching side. And if at that. 223 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: If that doesn't happen, then it will be order for 224 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: them to be the passing team that they want to be. 225 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: And I just think the passing game overall is such 226 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: a big talking point, such a big discussion of this offseason. 227 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: Now I'm with you. I think some of that is 228 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: a little bit too. I don't know too much is 229 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: made of it because that was what we've talked about 230 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: previous podcasts. And you just said some of those numbers. 231 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: If you just look at the numbers and you say 232 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: worst passing offense in the league, you're you're taking too 233 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: simplistic of a view of the entire operation. Um. But 234 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: I just think that like the Ravens have have done 235 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: this during the off seasons, they look at everything. They've 236 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: redesigned their defensive, redesigned their offense, and I think that 237 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: they find innovative ways to try to implement new scheme, 238 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: change the type of players they bring in. They look 239 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: at all that, and so that's why I just think 240 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: it's such an important a decision because that group is 241 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: so critical for this offense and in finding ways to 242 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: improve this passing game, improve this offense. And I'll be 243 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: really curious to see how the Ravens handle that who 244 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: they hire, whether it's somebody at the pro level, somebody 245 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: at the college level, someone internally, someone externally. I don't 246 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: know which direction they're gonna go, but I just think 247 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: that that's gonna be a big move for this offense. 248 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: So Um, the other possibility is, you know, the Ravens 249 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: bring in a receiver, not necessarily a young one, but 250 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: a veteran player. And um, if you relate for work 251 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: which everyone should gets posted around you know, nine thirty 252 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: in the morning every day on the Ravens website and 253 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: app Um, there's lots of talk in the media out 254 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: there right now about different receivers who could end up 255 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Today it was Kenny Golladay, you know, he's 256 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: the new name we've heard Allen Robinson. Um, what do 257 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: you make of all the receiver talk out there? And 258 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: is one of these guys a really good fit in 259 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: your mind? Well, both those guys can play, sure, I 260 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: take them right along with some other guys. And I 261 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: do believe this is gonna be a season where you know, 262 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: there may be a veteran who we're not talking about 263 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: right now that another team can't keep or feels they 264 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: can't keep due to sary cap reasons. Who become the 265 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: trade possibility. So you know, we saw Claris Campbell, you know, 266 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: come to the Ravens last year, different positions, but a 267 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: veteran guy who everyone knew he was a top player, 268 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: but Jacksonville was headed in another direction and he became available. Uh. 269 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: So I think that there's definitely a possibility that the 270 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: Ravens could add a veteran receive religion. They've done it 271 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: so many times in the past. Um. I do think 272 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: it's something they need to look hard at, but you know, 273 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: it's not a guarantee. Um. I my gut feeling is 274 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: even though her Eric the Coston say that, you know, 275 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: it's not all about the number one receiver, he's also aggressive. 276 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting. I think that, you know, 277 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: if it's not all about the number one receiver, I 278 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: think that's true, but if one of those guys becomes available, 279 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he's never been shy about pulling the trigger, 280 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: So uh, it's going to be interesting to see what happens. Um. 281 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: I would love to see one of those guys come in, 282 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because I just feel that 283 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: Regardles of what the numbers are. It would take some 284 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: pressure off a Lamar, and I think it would help 285 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: the other receivers. I mean I think it would help 286 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: Marquees for sure, to have a veteran guy opposite him 287 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: who was, you know, really productive. Um. You know, the 288 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: tight end group the Ravens have is strong. I just 289 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: think it would open up the offense a little bit 290 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: more without having this scheme, you know, some more things 291 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: up um and make life a little bit easier for Lamar. 292 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: So we'll see um. Ravens fans love love talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 293 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: Number one receivers have a tendency to make life a 294 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: little bit easier on the quarterback. I mean that that's 295 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: just that kind of goes without saying the trick and 296 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: this is this is the challenge, and this is really 297 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: kind of what we we spent some time talking about 298 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: on the Blueprint podcast. Is the Ravens right now, we're 299 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: gonna have around fifteen to twenty million salary cap space. 300 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: According to spot track, the prediction is that Kenny Golladay, 301 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: using him as an example, is going to make around 302 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: seventeen million annually. So where's that that that takes it 303 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: all up? If that's the case. Um, in terms of 304 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: the Ravens salary cap Stace, I just think that there 305 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: is I'm really curious in this year's free agency, maybe 306 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: more than any other year, about how the market shifts, 307 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: because I think that it could be a little bit 308 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: slow out of the gates for some guys. We saw 309 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: it happen with Clowney last year. But I just wonder 310 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: if there's gonna be a number of players who hit 311 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: the market thinking, oh, I'm a fifteen, eighteen, twenty million 312 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: dollar a year player, and they come to find out 313 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: because the salary cap is shrunk by forty million dollars 314 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars that instead of getting that huge contract, 315 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: that they're more in the range of, you know, we 316 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: can do a two year, twenty million dollar deal. I'm 317 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: just throwing out numbers, um. And I also think that 318 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: I think that the route for the Ravens is I 319 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: really look at it from a receiver standpoint, it's probably 320 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: to get somebody who gets released. Um. It's the Steve 321 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: Smith example. Um, Now that would be great. You know, 322 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: that would be great if you can get a Steve 323 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: Smith caliber player. There's not a ton of those guys 324 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: that are out there, But I think that that is 325 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: probably the case. I mean, it worked out great with 326 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: Steve Michael Crabtree was another example with that of that 327 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: didn't work out so great with Crabtree. Um, So you know, 328 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: you can kind of that can go either way when 329 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: you're going that route. But I think that as I 330 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: examine it, I just think there's gonna be a lot 331 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: of players that end up on the market, veteran players 332 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: that are that are do big cat numbers um as 333 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: teams try to clear some space get out of the 334 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: salary cap um, and then the Ravens will try to 335 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: get some of those guys out of value. I don't 336 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: know who it is, because I think it's sometimes sometimes 337 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: you just don't know who's gonna become available. And I 338 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: think that that's the costas point when he talks about 339 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: being patient, gotta wait, I gotta see who hits the market, 340 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: gotta have the flexibility. I wish they've shown they've redone 341 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: contracts and given themselves cap room and flexibility. I think 342 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: that is the most likely scenario for this team. Yeah, 343 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: I mean I can see your logic there, and the 344 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: railings are in a position where they can wait Uh, 345 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: they're already. So though it sounds like you're thinking, like 346 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: I said, it's going to be managing, because I just 347 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: I just feel Eric is aggressive and you know, if 348 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: he sees an opportunity. Again, what you're saying about being 349 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: physically responsible and having the cap space you have to 350 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: have it, sure's But I just think there's gonna be 351 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: opportunities as offseason because, like you said, I do believe 352 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: some teams are gonna be looking to clear up the 353 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: cap space and that's gonna lead to some players being 354 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: on the market who in a normal year when the 355 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: salary cap wasn't going down, might not be available. So 356 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: I want to talk about something else on the free 357 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: agency front. Before we do that, I want to remind 358 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: everybody to take your Crown Royal water break. Crown Royal 359 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: wants to remind you to stay hydrated, stay Royal, Crown Royal, 360 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: Canadian Whiskey Cliff, make sure you take those to Braakes. 361 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break. Will be right back 362 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: and dive into some more talk about the off season. 363 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: Passionate fans, winning traditions, and legendary toughness are why Ram 364 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: Trucks and Ravens football go hand to hand when it 365 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: comes to power, luxury and technology. 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And uh, 375 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: there's the talk of this. Um. Lamar Jackson's eligible for one. 376 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: Mark Andrews is eligible for one. Orlando Brown is eligible 377 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: for one. This is the first time that those great 378 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: Pro bowlers from the draft class can sign a long 379 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: term deal. Um. And there's been lots of talk about ORLANDA. 380 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: Brown over the past a few days, given what he 381 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: tweeted late last week about how he is a left tackle. Uh, 382 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: he obviously played left tackle for the second half of 383 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: last year after Ronnie Stanley went down. Um, he was 384 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: a right tackle leading up to that point. He showed 385 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, Orlando has always said he views himself as 386 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: a right tackle who's playing left tackle, has been a 387 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: left tackle, He's an entire career. He never shied away 388 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: from that, um, and then he went and stepped into 389 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: left tackle and played well over the course of the 390 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: last season. So what do you make of all this? 391 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: It's led to all sorts of speculation, trade rumors, long 392 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: term contract rumors, pretty much every rumor and and that 393 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: you could think of. So what do you make of 394 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: all this? Well, I mean, everyone knew when that two 395 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: thous and a teen draft flass became so impactful that 396 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: it was going to be a challenge to keep all 397 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: of them long term. And so now you know, we're 398 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: seeing the first talk now that they can actually we're 399 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: negotiate deals of whether they can Ravens can pull itself. Obviously, 400 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: Lamar is you know the number one priority. Um. There's 401 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: so much talking about whether the Ravens should wait and 402 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: not really do a deal with him until next offseason 403 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: or not. That's that's going to be interesting. See if 404 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: that happens. My guests would be that it doesn't happen 405 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: this year. But I wouldn't I wouldn't totally rule it 406 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: out with Orlando. I mean, yeah, his situation has changed 407 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: a little bit bit, and then no one anticipated he 408 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: would be playing left tackle at all this season, especially 409 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: you know, after Ronnie got his new deon. Then of 410 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: course he was injured right after that in Orlando, as 411 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: I would expect because he's so talented, playing really well there. 412 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, Mark too. Obviously the Ravens want to keep 413 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, but can they keep all three assuming they 414 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: do sign. I think Lamar is a question of when, 415 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: not if he'll get his deal, And so to me, 416 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: it's like, can you keep you know, both Orlando and 417 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: Mark after you signed Lamar? Um, Yeah, it's it's gonna 418 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: be tough. Um, it's gonna be tough. I mean, and 419 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, we got even talking about the guys you 420 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: know who are gonn to be free agents now, the 421 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: past Russers like June, June and Janigana. What's gonna happen 422 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: with them too. It's a it's the challenge all team's 423 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: face when you have a deep roster that you're young. 424 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: Um yeah, I'd only be guessing at this point what's 425 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: going to happen. But I think Orlando really it likes 426 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: being in Baltimore. Raven obviously his father played with the organization. 427 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: I think it means something to hit him. I think 428 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: he likes playing with Lamar Jackson. I think he likes 429 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: playing for a contender. So until you hear from him, 430 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm cure. I'd be curious to hear from Orlando. Uh 431 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: now at all these rumors are speculating to hear what 432 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: he has to say, and until I heard from him, 433 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: other than you know, a four four word treatment, I've 434 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: a left tackle. That's four words, right, I'm still not sure. 435 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm still not sure exactly what the you know, bigger 436 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: picture is of that. So I don't want to speculate 437 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: on that, but it is gonna be interesting. You see, 438 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: if they can keep off three of those guys. Well 439 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: that is Christopher Wells. Chris Wells sent us a question. 440 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: Um he the subject line was big question, even though 441 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: it's not here to do the big do my best impression, 442 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: But his question was about Orlando. Um and about the tweet, 443 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: and uh he said, I don't know that we could 444 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: pay too left tackles, considering the Ravens already paid Ronnie Stanley, 445 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 1: Orlando definitely deserves to be paid Um. However, I can 446 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: see the Ravens using this to their advantage and trading 447 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: him for a solid for solid draft stock, but not 448 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: having a solid right tackle in house. That makes me nervous. 449 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: I just hate to let him walk after next season. 450 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: What do you guys think? I mean, Look, this is 451 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: this is the scenario that teams and the Ravens find 452 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: themselves in with a number of players every year, and 453 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: they don't really have a long history. I'm trying to 454 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: think of this has ever happened. I don't think that 455 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: it has of a quality player, a Pro Bowl player 456 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: that they've traded in the final year of a contract 457 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: for draft stock. I'm trying to think back through the years, 458 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: and nobody is jumping out to me where that's happened. 459 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: There have certainly been guys who have left via free agency. C. J. Moseley, 460 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: Zadarius Smith, Penell McPhee, um and gone elsewhere. That happens 461 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: all the time. But in terms of trading a guy, 462 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: I understand the logic. The logic is why, you know, 463 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: risk losing him for nothing. I would say if you 464 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: if if you were to lose someone like Orlando and 465 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: free agency, you do to get a compensitory pick. So 466 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: it's not like you're losing him truly for nothing. Uh, 467 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: but maybe could get more of you if you were 468 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: to trade him. I I just as I look at this, like, 469 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: I just have a hard time seeing him not in 470 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: Baltimore next year and maybe like long term. I just 471 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: I know it's really hard. It's gonna be really hard 472 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: to keep both him and Ronnie. That's the challenge. Um. 473 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: But I just for all the reasons that you just 474 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: talked about, Uh, he's he seems to love playing for 475 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,239 Speaker 1: this organization. Felt like, Um, after everything that happened during 476 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: the draft of the Combine, this was the place that 477 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: he ended up in, the perfect place, ended up back 478 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: at home. Uh. He is somebody who was really well 479 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: liked and respected uh in the locker room, amongst the media. Um, 480 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: he just is such a such a likable person, hard worker, 481 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: who's played well. Um, everybody likes Orlando and so it 482 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: would be hard for me to see him playing anywhere else. UM. 483 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: I just don't necessarily see this happening. UM. You know, 484 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: I know the idea here from Chris, trade him, get 485 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: draft picks. Okay, I don't know what you would get. 486 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: I would think you would get a lot um, but 487 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: did you. I just don't see that happening. I just don't. 488 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: I just personally don't see that happening. And I know 489 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: that's always the game during the off season. Yeah, I 490 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: mean again, I'd love to hear from him. And number two, 491 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: I don't think the Ravens are in a rush to 492 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: get rid of Atlando Brown Jr. So Um, I wouldn't 493 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: rule out the possibility they could work something out down 494 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: the road. But again, it's really really tough when you 495 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: have so many young players who you're trying to extend. 496 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: The salary cap is a real deal. It's a real 497 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: challenge and it's and it's going to continue to be 498 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: a challenge for the Ravens over the next year or 499 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: two to keep all the young players that they have drafted. 500 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: And we've done so well. Yeah, So thanks for the question. 501 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: You guys can emist of the lounge at Ravens dot 502 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: NFL dot net. We always love to hear from you 503 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: sending your questions. Let us know what you want to 504 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: you know what you want to hear, what you want 505 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: to talk about during the offseason. Um, And we'll get 506 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: to those as as many as we can every single episode. 507 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna take one more break and then we're gonna 508 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: give you our thoughts on the Super Bowl. With every 509 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: new season, there's new challenges to overcome, and RAM trucks 510 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: are built to crush every single one of them. 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It's Brady's hundredth Super Bowl. 520 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: It's crazy what he's been able to do in terms 521 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: of getting there in his first season with the Bucks. 522 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: Um But the Chiefs look every bit like the start 523 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: of a dynasty, and that's scary for teams in the 524 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: a f C like the Ravens who want to get 525 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: to that point. And you've got to get past the Chiefs, 526 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: and unfortunately they haven't had a chance to play him 527 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: in the playoffs the past two years. But the Chiefs 528 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: look like, uh, they look like the start of a dynasty. 529 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: And that's scary to me. Is is that how you 530 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: see it too? Yeah, I think it's a chance. I 531 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: think in football it's a lot harder. I know we 532 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: were talking before the podcast about you know, other sports 533 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: like the Bulls, Tiger Woods in Gaul. I think in 534 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: those sports it's easier to have a dynasty. You know, 535 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: we haven't seen a team repeat what I think the 536 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: Patriots two thousand three, two thousand four last see and 537 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: went back to back with Brady. I think Seattle should 538 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: have done it a few years ago. They won one, 539 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: and you know, we're on the virgin of winning another one. 540 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: But it's it's extremely hard to do. But when you 541 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: look at the age of Patrick Mahomes and how good 542 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: he is already, Andy Reid is a coach who doesn't 543 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: seem like he's ready to go anywhere. I mean, there 544 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: was no talk this year there in a pandemic about 545 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl hangover. I mean, the Chiefs acted like 546 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: they didn't win the Super Bowl last year and there 547 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: was no pandemic. They just they just rolled. I mean 548 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: it's really impressive to me. That's the season they put together, 549 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: regardless of whether they win the game someday or not. 550 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: And yes, they could be the team to beat UH 551 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: for years to come in any season that Mahomes stays 552 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: healthy and they have a great coach at a great quarterback. 553 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: So you have to figure out how to get past that. 554 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if that's the case, then at least Lamar 555 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: is young too. The Ravens are young, and if you teach, 556 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: if you keep putting yourself in position and get shots, 557 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: you'll break through. All you can really do is make 558 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: sure that you're knocking on the door along with them. 559 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: I think the Ravens are in position to do that. 560 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: There's nothing they can do about the Chiefs. All they 561 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: can do is keep putting themselves in position to be 562 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: in position to knock them all that. That's really all 563 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: you can do. Yeah, that's the way I look at 564 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: it is I could see the Chiefs being the Bowls 565 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: of the nineties, and that's what scares me. Have you 566 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: I've talked about that before. They could be They could 567 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: be that team. Um, you know, there was when we 568 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: did the podcast with Jim Gray a month or so ago, 569 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: he talked about how how VJ. Singh was a great 570 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: golfer um but he didn't win that much because Tiger 571 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: was winning everything at that time, and uh, there's other 572 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: examples of of that, and so there that is a concern. 573 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: That is a fear. However, the flip side of it, 574 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: and I felt this way when I watched the Chiefs 575 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: play the Browns of the playoffs this year. That game 576 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: game was really close. Mahomes gets a concussion, has to 577 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: leave the game, and then the Chiefs pull off a 578 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: ridiculous like third and fifteen where they get down to 579 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: fourth and one, then they go for it on fourth 580 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: down the end the game, which Chad Hetty those two 581 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: players are ridiculous. Now, then if they don't, even if 582 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: they pump the ball there and give the ball back 583 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: to Cleveland, who knows if that game ends up going 584 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: in the Brown's favor. But my point is that that 585 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: one came down to the wire, and it was a 586 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: reminder that when you get to a one game scenario, 587 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: which is what the NFL is, anything can happen. I 588 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: think that's that's not really the case in baseball or 589 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: basketball where it's a seven game series, but in a 590 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: one game scenario, if you're there that then who knows. 591 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: And so the other part two is um from as 592 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about the salary cap, the salary cap is 593 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: gonna start to take, uh, take hold of the Chiefs. 594 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: And when they're paying, they've already signed the Homes long term, 595 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for them to keep that team 596 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: together for the next seven years. So that's another piece 597 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: that that really hasn't started to hit them yet because 598 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: he had been playing on his rookie contract. This was 599 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: the first year of a new deal. Doesn't have a 600 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: huge cap hit this year, but that will change the 601 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: dynamics of that team moving forward, so that you know, 602 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: that's that's the hope there. But look, the Bills are 603 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: still gonna be there. That's the Browns obviously went to 604 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Like so, we can spend all the time 605 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: talking about the Chiefs and and everything, but there's gonna 606 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: be other competitors too. So who you got Chiefs or 607 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: Chiefs or Bucks? I mean I have Chiefs, Um, this 608 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: is no news Flay. Yeah, I've always I thought they 609 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: were the best team in the NFL starting the season 610 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: and now we're in February and I still think they're 611 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: the best team. Um, the Buccaneers. You know what Brady 612 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: has done there and you know putting that offense together 613 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: one year, Bruce arians tie bowls, tie bowls. Will have 614 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: a plan to try and stop Patrick Mahomes contain them. 615 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: I just say, you don't stop them, And yeah, I 616 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: definitely feel that. I think it's gonna be a really 617 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: good game. But the Homes, his ability to make plays 618 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: at any time, I just gives them a huge advantage. 619 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: You know, when the Chiefs fall behind early, nobody's even concerned. 620 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: I mean, they always know they can come back. It's 621 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: not like you don't feel that way with Brady, but 622 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: I just feel my Homes at this stage of his career, 623 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: is the best player on the field. And you know 624 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: you've got the best player you know on and you 625 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: know the team that is the best team on the 626 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: same side, It's hard for me to go against the 627 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: team and I feel is the best and they have 628 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: the best quarterback too, so I'd have to go again. 629 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: The city. Yeah, I I agree with you. Um, you 630 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: don't see how happy about that. I'm not happy either way. 631 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: Either watch Brady win another one or you watch this 632 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: this dynasty in the making in Kansas City. So I lose. 633 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: Just have the chiefs Geller winning out of the system. 634 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: You got to be done with it, get content, get complacent. 635 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: That's that's the idea. That's what I want to just 636 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: relax next year. Interesting theory, maybe to hangovers next season. Right, Yes, 637 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: exactly went too before the hangover really kicks in. So uh, Cliff, 638 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: thanks for filling in this week. As I said before, 639 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: you guys can emails of the lounge at ravens Uh 640 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: dot NFL dot net. It's still lots to discussed, of 641 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: course of the off season. We've got a guest in 642 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: the works for next week. Thanks for philling and Cliff, 643 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: and we'll be back with you next week