WEBVTT - The Da Vinci Code 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.760 On the beck Del Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.480 have women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.760 and husbands or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:17.480 invest start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, Becktel 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:21.320 Cast listeners, It's me Kitlin Toronto and me Jamie Loftus 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.640 and we're back for yet another episode of the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.000 But wait, it's a little different today. Oh my gosh, 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:33.199 we're unlocking one of our Patreon a k a. Matreon episodes. Gasp. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.600 I know we do it every so often, and this 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:42.160 week we're doing it for a special little occasion. Tell 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:47.200 me more, Okay, I will um So. I have a 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.519 new solo series coming out. It's one of my one 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:55.920 of Jamie's a Little investigations. It does not have a 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:00.960 ton to do with the subject matter of today's movie, 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.600 which is the Da Vinci Code, which spoiler alert is Apple. 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:11.240 But in any case, uh no, we're we're unlocking an 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:15.640 episode today because it's an episode about kind of religious 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:22.080 conspiracies and esoteric bizarre ship and uh that is what 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.280 my new show is about. It it's out starting now. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.240 It will be releasing episodes every single Monday. It's called 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:34.119 Ghost Church, and what it is is, UM, it's kind 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:40.280 of half investigation, half history of a fringe religion in UM. 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:46.000 That's it's across the West called Spiritualism. And so what 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.400 the show is about is it's kind of two tracks. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.600 The first is the history of Spiritualism, which is really 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.720 really fascinating. It's it kind of came up in the 0:01:54.720 --> 0:02:01.040 mid eighteen hundreds, beginning with two young girls. Wow, girl, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.280 us go off just like us, Well if we were 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:10.720 eleven and fourteen, Um, they're y are we are? We 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.799 have to get permission slips to record this today. UM. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.120 But yeah, it kind of UM on windside tracks their story. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.480 Their names are Maggie and Kate Fox, and they kind 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:25.200 of um accidentally started a religion that is built around 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.600 the concept of being able to communicate with spirit or 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.799 ghosts and communicating with the dead. Um, which is just 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.840 like a very roller coastery kind of story that I 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.720 couldn't possibly summarize for you here and I won't because 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.480 you gotta go listen to that damn show. And then 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.800 on the other end, because the religion is UM still 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.600 very much around, mostly in h small camps throughout the country, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.600 too in particular, and I spent a week at one 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:56.520 of them, uh in Florida, in the Orlando area. I 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.680 hung out with a bunch of mediums all week to 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.120 learn more about what the religion looks like now, UM 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:08.839 kind of how a how a fringe religion develops over time, UM, 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.919 what brings people to it? And uh watching people communicate 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.400 with the dead in real time? It was. It was 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.960 a weird one. It was an adventure. Um. And so 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.320 I won't I won't spoil anything else from there. If 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:27.320 you're into spiritual stuff, I would recommend you check it out. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.280 If you're not into spiritual stuff, I would also recommend 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.040 you check it out because I'm not trying to really 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.160 sway anyone one way or another. It's it's more just 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.160 a very bizarrow journey. And I had a lot of 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.960 fun putting it together. It's a show for everyone. It's 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.240 for everyone. You think we can talk to ghosts, well 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.200 you better check it out. You don't think we can 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.240 talk to ghosts, Well, there's plenty of people on the 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.800 show who feel exactly that way. Me. I don't fucking know. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.600 It's in. The more I talk to people, the less 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.640 I know. Wow, I'm sure, there's a folk song about that, 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.360 so where, but that is true. I it's such a 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:08.760 it's such a fascinating topic. Everyone feels strongly one way 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.640 or another. Um, and I'm just kind of floating in 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.240 the goo in the middle, uh, you know, trying to 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.560 trying to not get yelled at by mediums in Florida, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.680 which isn't too hard. But you'll have to listen to 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.560 the show in any case. That is what we are 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.800 celebrating on the show today. We'll have another episode coming 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.680 up that will also sort of be addressing this kind 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.120 of stuff. The Da Vinci code today. This is a 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.279 little more of like on the like weird religion side 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.680 of stuff. And what I will say for spiritualism is 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:48.279 it is nowhere near as fucked up as Christianity. So 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:54.359 blockl in because yeah, we recorded this. When did this 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.320 come out? This came out I believe sometime on the 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:02.040 Matreon last year, Yes, March twenty one. I believe in 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:06.160 that ballpark and so this If you're not a Matreon subscriber, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.080 this is also a reminder that if you are running 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.880 thinn On episodes on our main free feed, we do 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.000 to bonus episodes a month with just Caitlin and myself 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:21.240 most of the time. Over on our patreon aka Matreon, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.920 there's over a hundred episodes there. This is just one 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.120 of them. We keep it loose, do a lot of 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.520 do a lot of bits. I'm sure I shout the 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.680 Da Vinci code as Apple no less than seven thousand 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.920 times in this episode conservatively. Yeah. So yeah, enjoy it 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.160 and we will be linking to the patreon ak matreon 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.520 if you're interested in joining that community. It's such a blast. 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:49.200 D But first, before we get into it, we over 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:53.120 in the Matreon, we assume that everyone knows what the 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:58.680 Battel Test is and what the show is, because you know, 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.839 you're you're there, you're you're part, you're in the Inn crew, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.880 you know. So we don't waste time being like, well, 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.800 here's who we are, here's what the Bechdel Test is. 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.560 I love we're making fun of what we're about to do. 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:17.280 Oh like, but but that's said, even though Caitlin thinks 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.400 it's ridiculous, apparently we are going to do it right now. 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.080 We are going to tell you that this is our show, 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.400 The Bechtel Cast, in which we examine movies through an 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:32.160 intersectional feminist lens. Using the Bechtel test simply is a 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.520 jumping off point. Now. The Bechdel Test, of course, is 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:39.719 a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechtel, sometimes 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:44.880 called the Bechtel Wallace Test, where by our version because 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.479 there are many renditions of the test, but the one 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:53.120 that we currently use requires that two characters of a 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:58.520 marginalized gender have names, speak to each other about something 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.840 other than a may on, and ideally that conversation is 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:08.799 narratively meaningful. Yes, so, if you've seen the Da Vinci Code, 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.760 don't hold your breath. But you know, if you're a 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.320 Tom Hanks fan, also, don't hold your breath. It's not 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:22.559 his best and with with no further ado, without further 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:27.880 with no without without without much further ado. Hello, oh 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:34.080 my god, without further ado, please enjoy the unlocked Da 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:44.160 Vinci Code. It's Apple Cast. Welcome back, matrons. Wow. Is 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.480 this the main event? This is what this entire podcast 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:53.880 has been leading up to. He I am really excited 0:07:55.640 --> 0:08:00.840 in a way. This movie is all my feeavorite parts 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:06.640 of I Frankenstein mixed with all my favorite parts from 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:12.080 National Treasure. But when all of the fun just sucked 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:18.360 out through a straw. It's shocking. Uh huh. This is 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:23.120 a very similar premise, but none of my favorite parts. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.960 It's it's wild that a movie is toxic as Indiana 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:31.480 Jones and The Last Crusade is a far more enjoyable 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.920 movie to watch for me, at least than this suck fest. 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:40.680 You didn't have fun watching The Da Vinci Cup The 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.320 Da Vinci I honestly, it was like such a journey. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.240 It was such a right because it was like I 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.440 started out being like, oh, yeah, this movie is just 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.560 people saying words. This could be fun, right, because there's 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.640 that whole oh my god, the moment where I was like, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.440 wait a second, what if this movie fucking rocks? Is 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.560 when Tom Hanks is staring at the Mona Lisa and 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:08.240 then he just goes moons, sermons, charms, demons, sermons, monks, ranks, rocks, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.640 And I was like, oh, this movie is nonsense. I'm 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.920 gonna love it. But then it gets but then it 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.199 gets really boring for like an hour and a half, 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.640 and then it gets funny again at the end. Like 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.520 it starts funny and then it's boring for a long time, 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.959 and then it gets funny again at the very end 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:30.320 where he's like, Okay, first of all, Matrons, if you 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.400 were wondering if you went into the da Vinci Code 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.600 thinking I don't know, I was like, did not in 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.240 spite of the fact that I definitely like interacted with 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.400 this property at it in its heyday, I did not 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.640 remember what the da Vinci code was, and I was 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.959 knocked on my do you know have you been watching 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.920 one division? I have not at this time. Here's a 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.079 scene where a character is sent through like fort walls 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:02.320 in a row, and that's how I felt when I 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:06.559 found out that the da Vinci code is Apple, and 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:11.920 I have I have a whole theory to go with. Okay, Caitlin, 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.520 this episode is going to be chaos, by the way, 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:18.959 of course, So the da Vinci code is Apple. That's 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:25.079 I didn't. I'm the fact that that's the funniest thing 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.480 I've ever heard in my entire life is you've been 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.199 watching this movie for six hours and then they're like, oh, 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.480 the da Vinci code was literally Apple, not Apple in Latin, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.960 not Apple in and just Apple. So if you were 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.480 reading the book, which I definitely I read it when 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:44.080 I was like eleven maybe, and I was like, whoa 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.800 I really understand this. I did it, but you have 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.280 to imagine once by the time you it's just kind 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.320 of like aggressively mean towards the reader because you you 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.400 have to probably find out that the da Vinci code 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.320 is Apple on page like five hundred, and you're like, 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.720 I went all this way for this. The da Vinci 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:10.400 code is Apple. Here's my theory. Yes, please, and keep 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.200 in mind neither of us have reread the book and 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.960 we're not going to. I thought about it, but guess what, 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.760 for some reason on the library app every copy is 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:24.520 checked out. WHOA, it's still I genuinely was thinking about, like, oh, 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.760 maybe I'll get like the audio book and like funk 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.600 around a little. It could be fun. It's it's a 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.040 waiting list around the corner to get. Even in the year, 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.640 people are still reading the da Vinci Code. It's shocking. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.480 So I don't know. I'm sure stuff is different in 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.720 the book. If you're yelling at someone about what happens 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.560 in the Da Vinci Code book versus the movie, you 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:52.640 have to move on, right. But my theory is because 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.679 in the movie, it's one of the funniest scenes in 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.600 the movie because it's Ian McKellen is literally like the spy, 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:07.200 like it's full Star Wars. He's the spy, Audrey. I'm 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.640 just gonna call her Omily the whole episode, Sorry, Omily. 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.280 It doesn't know what the da Vinci code is because 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.080 she doesn't know anything the whole movie. And then Tom 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.080 Hanks is like, I know what the da Vinci code is, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:22.440 and you're like, huh, what how? And then he's like 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.600 standing and he all of a sudden sees the solar system. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.960 It reminds me of that meme where a bunch of 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:33.160 math problems happened in front of that lady's face. Um, 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.040 it's that, but it's supposed to be really serious. And 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:40.559 then he smashes the cryptex he's he figures out. So 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.520 here's my theory. The da Vinci code was not Apple. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.040 We never found he we never saw him put the 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.920 code into the crypt He broke it and he smashed it, 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.520 and then he the da Vinci code was not Apple, 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.440 it was something else. It was I like how he 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.360 just said it so matter of factly, and were so 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:05.160 conditioned to trust, like you know, men with bad haircuts, 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:10.120 and also like you know professors, right, But there's there 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.360 was no proof that the DaVinci code was Apple, and 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:17.120 that's and honestly I don't think that da Vinci was, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.480 which is weird that what DaVinci my theory is Tom 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.840 Haks was dead wrong and we'll never know. Well never 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:30.200 know because the movie too much. I would argue, cuts 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.640 in two flashbacks that look like absolute hell. They look 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.360 like should they look like it's like a really but 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.520 you can tell it's expensive too, But it looks like 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.200 it was edited in like Windows movie maker. Yeah, they 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.800 put some weird filter over the flashbacks to like let 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:51.360 the audience know, don't like, don't be confused, this didn't happen. Now, 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:56.240 this happened before, but like they look like ship but 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.640 we didn't. There's just so many scenes. There will be 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.480 a fly back to like to clue the audience in, oh, 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.040 you weren't sure how this came to be. Here's a 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.160 flashback to fill in the gaps, but it doesn't do that. 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.840 With Robert Langdon putting in Apple into the cryptex, so yeah, 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:18.520 he just sees the solar system and he's like, it's Apple. Yeah, 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.320 I maybe in the book, it's like definitively he puts 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.720 it into the cryptex. The cryptex goes it opens in 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.600 the movie. I'm going to say, canonically, there's no way 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:33.360 it was Apple. That is a ridiculous answer. Everything else 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.480 happened in this movie and fucking Latin and anagrams that 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.000 the Da Vinci code was not Apple. A fourth grader 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.120 could figure that out. But that's kind of part of 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:43.640 the point. That's part of the appeal of the Da 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.640 Vinci Code is it just like makes you feel really smart, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.640 but then you're like, wait a second, I didn't understand 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.480 a word of that, and I'm pretty sure that it's 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.080 all made up. But it's good. I kind of like 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.520 this was a kind of an interesting case study for like, 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.760 I mean, it's not an easy thing to do, and 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.240 I would argue this movie fails it doing it by 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:08.400 trying to like take something super complex that requires this 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.760 vast knowledge base and make it easy to understand for 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:17.760 like the widest audience possible. Like I can't think of 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.400 an example of it of that going well, because when 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.000 the people they it's like this movie stops every two 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.280 seconds to explain to you something that happened three thousand 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.080 years ago, and then you're like huh, and then they're like, 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.560 it's fine, the da Vinci Code is Apple. Like they 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.960 they make it sound really hard, but the solutions are 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.800 like not that hard and they kind of and they 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.720 like make basically no sense. But those feels smart because 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:46.000 you like Ian McKellan read forty five Wikipedia articles at 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:51.440 you about how he's a male feminist. This movie is 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.480 I was cracking up. I was this the beginning and 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.520 end of this movie. It just really puts you in 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.120 a really specific time and plays because we really were 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.680 just like sitting in our seats in two thousand and six, 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.080 it's the fucking Bush administration and we're like, the da 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.800 Vinci Code is Apple? That like I would, you couldn't 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.960 pay me to go back there. What's going on? What 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:21.600 is your relationship with the da Vinci Code, The book, 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:28.800 the movie, Dan Brown's Ubra in general, Robert Langdon, first 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.440 of all, Sunny loves Robert lancoln. Of course, Sonny the 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:37.600 Dog loves Robert Lee like Robert Langdon, literal genius. Robert 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.400 Langdon should be in the m c U. That's his 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.640 whole thing. Um. He thinks that Robert Langdon could really 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:48.480 make a killing in the NCU. My my history with 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.160 the da Vinci Code is that I don't know. I 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.080 mean I think that I was like just old enough 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.520 to participate, and I was really excited because the book 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.200 came out in two thousand three, so I was like young, 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.879 but like I could read. I could read, so I 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.840 thought I could understand everything, so I was really excited. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.560 I remember that there was like a raggedy copy of 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.840 the Da Vinci Code that made its way across my 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:19.960 entire family throughout probably two thousand four, two thousand five 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.480 or something. I remember I read the whole thing really fast. 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.960 I read most of it in like a bathtub over 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.200 the course of eight hours, and then I got sick 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.960 because I don't sit in a bath for eight hours. 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:38.200 That's gross. But I did, and I just remember feeling 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.920 really cool that I read the book, and I remember 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.199 low keeping like I didn't catch a word of it, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.240 but I read every word and that's what counts. And 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.320 then I did see the movie. But by that point, 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.840 I think, even like for because I was like twelve 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.600 or thirteen when the movie came out, and even by then, 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.160 I think I was like I already did it know. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.439 I was like that, that's so whatever, like sixth grade 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.719 or what. Um. But then I I don't know, and 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.440 I also I learned because I haven't revisited it since that, 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:16.320 I retained like nothing. All I remembered going in was 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:20.720 Fibonacci numbers. I just remember the phrase. I don't remember 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:25.520 what it meant, but I remember Fibonacci numbers. But but 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.760 it was interesting watching the movie because it was like 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.520 plot points were slowly coming back to me, like it 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:34.920 was just a long forgotten dream, like as I was like, oh, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.879 because like when Ian McKellan came on screen, I'm like, 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.440 there's something going on with this guy, but I don't 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.800 remember what. And then he's like, I'm the spy, and 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:48.040 You're like, right, he was a spy. I forget. Yeah, 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:53.439 So that's that's my history. What about yours? Well, I 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:58.520 too read the book in probably two thousand three. I 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.000 was nearing the end of high school at that point, 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.520 and I did you understand it? Yes, I was old 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:15.080 enough to Yeah, I understood the duvincicode. And I'll be honest, 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.639 you know this is this is a property that is 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:22.119 very easy and popular to dunk on now. But if 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.000 I'm being perfectly honest with myself and others, I fucking 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.919 loved this book. When I first read it as a 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.280 sighting at the time, I remember like the trajectory of 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:36.200 it too, so basically like it got published, word caught 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.160 on that it was really fun and really good. So 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.119 I I read it. All my high school friends read it. 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.000 We were like, this is the best book I've ever read. 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:49.879 Then I read Angels and Demons and I and I 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.560 was like, because it's like, this type of story is 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.720 like very up my alley in terms of just like 0:19:55.960 --> 0:20:01.560 an adventure quest, like let's follow clue news and it 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.680 was like again reminiscent of Indiana Jones. And I was like, cool, fun, fun. 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.800 And then I also just appreciate as a lifelong devout atheist, 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:15.080 I appreciate anything that like criticizes and comments on Christianity. 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.400 So I just felt very cool and I was like, oh, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:23.440 this is like anyway, it was exciting, So I read 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:26.720 the book rather those two books. I have not read Inferno, 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:34.000 but there's apparently a fourth one also Origin I did. 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.960 I remember reading Angels and Demons and then being like, wow, 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.600 it's so cool to know what Robert Langdon was doing 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.200 before the Da Vinci Code. Didn't they make that into 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.280 a movie too, Yes, And So Inferno is also a 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:50.560 movie that came out in You're lying, I am telling 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:55.040 the Tom Tom Hanks is in it, Yes, as is 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.960 I think it's Zoe Deschanelle. But I truly only looked 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.399 at one still image of the movie and I don't 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.680 know if that's who it is or not. That's so 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:08.959 bold because it's like who was who cares? So anyway, 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.560 So I had read those books, and by the time 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:16.360 the movie came out, I was in college and I 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.160 went to go see it in theaters. I remember, like 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.760 my enthusiasm for the books had definitely waned by that point, 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.600 but I was excited enough that I still like went 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.439 to go see the movie opening night, and then the 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:33.480 movie was such a turd that I was like, oh, 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.679 you hated it. Yeah, I was like, this is bad, 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.959 like I could like, I still probably enjoyed myself, and 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.040 like because I was. I went with friends and we 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:47.440 were like we a night out on the town. But um, 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:52.399 I knew then that the like the dialogue especially was 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:56.480 just like clunky. I hated Tom Hanks as Robert Langdon. 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.720 I don't know who I thought Robert Langdon should have 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:03.240 been played by, but definitely not Tom Hanks. I was 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:09.359 picturing someone a little more young. I don't know, I 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.040 just didn't I forget how old Robert Linkedon was. But 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.480 I like the book. I don't know if the book 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.240 wants you to kind of have a crush on him, 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.400 but like, as an eleven year old, I'm like, Wow, 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.200 he's so cool and so smart. Like you picture kind 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.680 of like a movie. Maybe Tom Hanks ten years before 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.560 this movie came up, maybe with a different haircut, with 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:31.119 a different His haircut is so distracting that I like, 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:32.760 I don't even know what the movie is about. I 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:36.359 just was looking at this terrible haircut the entire time. 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:40.040 Do you remember, um, do you remember if in the 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:45.719 book the Da Vinci Could is there a romance in 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.679 the book or is it also scaled back? Because I 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.720 was like, are they scaling it back in the movie 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:54.320 because the age gap is so icky? Or like, what's 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.879 going on? If I'm remembering correctly, and this is again 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.320 strictly from my memory bank, so I might be wrong 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:05.399 about this, but there is no romance in the book 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:09.960 between Sophie and Robert Langdon in the Da Vinci Code. However, 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.840 in the movie, I feel like they want you to 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:17.400 want it, but they don't want it. But I think 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.880 there is a like romance and like I think even 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.720 Robert Langdon has sex with like the female lead of 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:27.480 the Book of Angels and Demons. I've not seen the 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.320 movie Angels and Demons. I don't know if they include 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.520 that or not, or if even I'm remembering this correctly, 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.600 but I remember being like, oh, wow, Robert Langdon Fox 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:41.720 because he like Fox the Lady. Maybe that's why I 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:45.080 was thrown by it being like Woody, because that would 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:48.000 have been like, I'm like, why is Woody playing like 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.080 this character I was told was like this kind of 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:55.800 like low key intellectual sex god, Like that's not what 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:59.240 he's serving me in this movie. And I feel like, okay, 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.560 of the I think that you are, like you are 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:03.480 supposed to think that you want them to kiss at 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.080 the end, and then they don't write like that seemed 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:11.520 was so it was so icky because it was like 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:15.480 even in two thousand six, nobody wants that, Like nobody 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:20.600 wanted Woody to kiss Emily, Like no, no, no, that's gross. 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:23.640 But there's like there's that like there's like a few 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:25.679 moments where I'm like, I think they want me to 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:29.120 want this to happen, where like when Robert Langton goes, 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:34.359 I never knew a girl who knew that much, and 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:38.440 I'm like, no, gross, get away from her. And then 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:41.000 that part at the end where they like hug for 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.080 a weird amount of time and then he kisses her 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:49.800 forehead and you're like, creepy uncle, energy don't like it? Uh, 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.560 well should we? I guess we should just get into it. 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:58.400 Also happy Alfred Molina Month on the Matreon Alfred March, 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:03.200 Lena and Melina March Welcome he's playing? Is his character Italian? What? 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:06.080 What is his character? I think his character is from Spain, 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:09.400 but I oh, I am not certain. Wow, that would 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:13.399 actually be Alpha Molena canon, because yeah, he he is 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.879 speaking well, speaking Latin a lot of the time. But 0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:20.919 he's also I believe, speaking in Spanish to Silas on 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:24.080 different occasions. Yes, oh yes he is. But I also 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:28.960 I cannot detect a Spanish accent from an Italian accent 0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:34.440 as um an uncultured American. So I don't really know. 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:39.240 Here's how here's how simple my my understanding of the 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.200 Catholic churches. I was like, oh, well, the pope lives 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:47.560 in Italy, so he's Italian. I mean that that I 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:51.320 see your logic. I'm probably wrong, but yeah, I think 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:57.280 he's from Spain. Question Mark, Wait, what is your like? Okay, 0:25:57.480 --> 0:25:59.159 I know that you're an atheist now, but where you 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:03.040 raised cass Flick know, I was, I was raised in atheists. 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:07.160 You were rased, okay, because I was like baptized Catholic, 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:12.560 but then we immediately went to like a different flavor 0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:15.040 of Christianity. And then when I was eleven, my mom 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:18.760 was like, Land, this is boring and toxic. So my 0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:22.159 like most of my family is Catholic because they're from 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:27.359 Massachusetts and it's like the law, and but I feel like, yeah, 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:30.240 I only I only understand. I don't understand the ins 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:33.760 and outs of Catholicism like canonically, I just understand the 0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:40.120 negative traits it brings out in New England families. Sure. Yeah, 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:44.199 I know very little about the mythology, if you will, 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:48.560 of Christianity, Like I know the main Bible stories that 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:53.200 most people know, but beyond that, I know very little. 0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.040 I mean, I kind of appreciate that this movie does, 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.800 like you're you don't need to know that much to 0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:02.400 watch this movie. They're going to tell you everything. They're 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:08.080 like this is Jesus and you're like, thank I'm with you. 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.879 And then then literally the most iconic movie speech. I 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:13.879 don't know why it's not on an an FHI list, 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:19.199 Moon Sermons, Charms, Damon Sermons, Monks, Rank Rocks, Madonna of 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:25.920 the Rocks, Vinci And that's how this like, this is genius. 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:30.760 This is genius dialogue. The dialogue sucks so bad and 0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:34.600 it's delivery is terrible. If what a mess. I don't 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.320 know what it is like because Ron Howard has made 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:44.000 very I like Ron Howard. I yeah, I mean I 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:46.520 was like, I don't think he's a bad but this 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.080 is like, oh boy, the way people are talking to 0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.200 each other, it's like so it just sounds like they're 0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:54.640 not even in the same room. Like the conversations feel 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:56.840 so like this and I don't know what it is. 0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:03.240 I've never in my life seen such expository dialogue. In 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:07.760 every single line of dialogue, it's just like, I mean, 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.760 I I am very pro like, don't talk down to 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.920 your audience, but if you want this to be like, 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:17.040 this is just like a really difficult it's a it's 0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.879 too dense too. I feel like fit into like a 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.239 fun movie like it's there's just too much you have 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:27.200 to you have to stop and explain things every two seconds, 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.480 and then that's just most of the movie, right, Yeah, 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.879 they tried. The da Vinci code was literally Apple, so 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.840 it turns out none of it mattered. I can't get 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.720 over it. I feel interesting that you're you're like isolating 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.400 the da Vinci code into that one particular code that 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:45.320 you punched into the cryptext. To me, the da Vinci 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.440 code is like it's a feeling, it's a sensation, it's 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:52.959 the whole experience. It's the roller coaster ride that is 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:57.480 the whole movie. Oh I thought it was silly me. 0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.240 I thought it was the code you put into the 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:06.520 Da Vinci thing. You fool there. I don't know what 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.720 or the da Vinci code. The da Vinci code was 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:14.240 either Apple or women unclear to me. What I can't 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:19.160 wait to talk about this movie is so male feminist. 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.959 Like it's like we were talking about this in our 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:26.280 last episode of Just Like the Most Like it's like 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:30.280 when a guy's like, oh, I'm I'm such a male 0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.200 feminist and then they just explained what feminism is to 0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.640 you for two and a half hours, and then you're 0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:37.800 like wait, I haven't talked yet, and he's like, yeah, 0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:41.320 I respect you so much. I don't even want to 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:45.600 know a thing about you. Like I just it's so 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:49.960 exhausting the fact that there are so many opportunities to 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:53.320 bring Sophie into the narrative and bring her expertise into 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:57.880 the narrative constantly, and she's literally a cryptologist, not that 0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:02.920 you'd know based on how many could she solves, like, 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.760 and then just Ian McKellan shows up. He's like, oh, 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.520 actually I know everything that it would be way more 0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:12.000 interesting if the if the only woman in the story knew. 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.000 But let's just tell her. Let's just tell her what's 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.560 going on. And then she goes, wait, that can't be, 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.320 Like that's everything. She says, wait, that can't be, and 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:27.880 it's like you're Jesus's niece. Get used to it, lady there. 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:29.560 And then she's like, well, I don't know any of 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.680 this stuff because I hate history. And then Tom Hanks, 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.600 you hate history? What do you mean? No one hates history. 0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:40.520 They hate their own histories. And it's just like Robert Lincton, 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.880 what shut up? That's a really annoying thing for Robert 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.160 Lindon to say, But also I would argue, that's a 0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:50.160 really like bizarre thing for so, like, who's like I 0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:54.000 hate history? Like that is such a broad concept to hate, 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:58.600 like you've hated everything that's ever happened. Ever, Like what 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:00.880 do you mean? What do you mean when you say 0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:05.600 that it's like I hate history, I hate everything that's 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.960 ever happened? Is I just hate it? Like, well, I 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.880 don't know what to tell you. Oh my god, I'm 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:17.160 just laughing, laughing, laughing this whole movie. It makes no sense. Also, 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:21.760 the character names are so silly teeming a ringa Rosa. 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.680 You're just like, I'm sure it's all I'm like, maybe 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:31.240 it means, oh, here's something fun. Uh there? This was okay. 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:34.480 So when I was like younger, like probably more like 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:39.040 high school, I used to love when like famous writers 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:43.000 would give information on like this is my writing routine 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.920 and like this is how I write. And I used 0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.960 to like look up whatever. I would love stories like that. 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:53.400 And Dan Brown has done this several times. I guess 0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:55.200 he most recently did it a couple of years ago. 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:58.760 I'm thinking of something from like fifteen years ago. But 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:03.840 he like discussed his writing routine and it's like so 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:08.720 fucked up. Like he wakes up. It sounds like do 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:12.880 you remember when like Mark, what's his name, the evil 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:22.760 one from Ted Mark Wahlberg Wallberg, Mark Wallberg released his 0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.560 like workout routine. He's like, I wake up at three 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:29.959 am and scream, like it's like scary. Dan Brown is 0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:33.560 like that, but for writing shitty books about Robert Langton. 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:37.560 Like he's he wakes up at four am and drinks 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:41.360 like a spinach milkshake and then he writes for like 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:45.840 fifteen hours, and then he's like then I whatever, like 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.280 give my son a encouraging pat on the back and 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.200 go right to bed. And I was like, he sounds 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.560 he sounds like the worst. He just sounds like he's horrible. 0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:59.280 Oh well, he has a masterclass. We should watch it. 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:05.600 We should. He just seems like such a like snobby jerk. 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:07.720 I think he thinks I mean, he probably thinks he's 0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:15.240 Robert langdon I bet? Yeah? Well shall we? I need 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.320 to get some wine. Yeah, go get someone fills um 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.720 fill your chelice and by that I mean your womb 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:25.640 like wine and drink your womb wine out of your vagina, 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:39.360 because that's what this movie is about. Because woman is mother. Okay, okay, 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.760 I'm here, all right, welcome back. I'm gonna do the recap. 0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:46.160 I am going to skip over a lot of details 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.040 because there are just too many things, and I'm gonna 0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:53.400 flash back and say exactly what happened. And he's like, 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:58.880 it has to do with Constantine. Actually Constantine was a pagan, 0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:04.480 and I'm just shut up, shut up, I very. It's like, 0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:09.200 I feel like it speaks to this movie's exhausting nature 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.719 that I never want Ian McKellen to shut up, but 0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:17.400 in this movie, I really wanted him to shut up constantly. 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.560 It's like, stop talking, but not as much as I 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.840 wanted Tom Hanks to shut up. I know. It's really 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:28.800 taking like the icons that are pretty like culturally untouchable 0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:32.359 at the time of this recording and makes you just 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:39.200 like absolutely despise hearing their voice. It's remarkable. So yeah, 0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:41.760 I skip over a lot of things in the recap, 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:45.799 so it might not make any sense, but I did 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:54.839 my best. So the movie opens in the Louvery. Oh 0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:56.840 my god. The closing shot of this movie at the 0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:01.680 loube speak. Okay, this movie much like Ralph Freaks the Internet, 0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:03.960 except this movie is horrible and it's I would say 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.520 that this movie is like almost camp. It's so bad, 0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:10.759 Like this movie ends forty five different times, but the 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:15.400 final ending is the funniest one where Robert Liked runs 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.080 back to the louver and like she feels on the 0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:26.960 louver like it's oh boy, it's remarkable. Perfect. Okay, So 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.760 we're in the louver and there's a monk named Silas 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:34.680 played by Paul Bettany, and he is trying to get 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:39.600 some information from uh, this man who I don't know 0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:41.799 if he's a curator there, I don't know. He's in 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:45.640 the louver and the link gets the information and then 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:49.960 shoots sonya. Let me cut to Robert Langdon played by 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.600 Tom Hanks, of course, and he is a professor of 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:57.480 religious symbology giving a presentation in Paris, and then he 0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:01.120 is approached by the French FBI and they want to 0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:08.280 talk to Langdon French b I, if you will um, 0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:12.719 the French Bureau of Investigations. They want to talk to 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:16.720 Langdon about the murder that we just saw take place. 0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:20.799 Then we cut back to Silas, the monk. He is 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:24.000 talking on the phone with someone who he calls teacher, 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:28.560 and guess who else is talking on the phone in 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:34.440 a different scene with the teacher is Alfred Molina, and 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.719 he's doing an accent, and we don't know what the 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:43.879 accent is. I love to see him in his Catholic hat. 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.680 It's what I mean. He feels like he's playing a 0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.920 very similar character to me. I mean, we know him 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.759 as a great villain. He plays the hell out of 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.360 a villain. He's playing a very similar villain to me 0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:01.400 as a character he plays in Chakola I I totally agree, 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:04.880 except with none of the like lovable. I'm like, what 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:09.120 if there just floating some ideas for our reboot of 0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:14.600 the Da Vinci Code. Uh, what if there were a 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.920 a cake scene? Where is the cake scene in the 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:21.840 Vinci Where is the scene where this Bishop of Opus 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:26.680 day is refusing to indulge in any sort of sweets 0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:30.120 or chocolates until he hits a breaking point in which 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:34.279 he just goes balls to the wall, eating every bit 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.080 of chocolate in sight to the point where he's basically 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.160 having sex with chocolate. Why isn't that scene in the 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:44.040 Da Vinci Code? What's going on? There are a few 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:48.000 like really iconically good shots of Alfred Bolina. The first 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.759 was like Paul Betny wakes up and Alfred Bolina is 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.120 just like standing over him, and I was like, this 0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:57.399 is for me ideal, Like I wish I were Paul 0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:01.320 Bettany in the scene. Um I. Then there's the clip 0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:05.640 that you sent me of like launching out of a car, 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:09.320 Like it's so good, it's really that is the literally 0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.040 the best part of the movie because there's this really 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.160 like epic music playing and it's like one of the 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.120 few times in the movie where like interesting camera work 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:19.480 is actually happening. And like I'm not normally a big 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:22.880 snob about like the mechanics of filmmaking in terms of 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.719 like cinematography and editing and stuff like that, but like 0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.839 this movie does everything so poorly that you can't help 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:30.799 but notice it. But like there is one moment where 0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.400 I'm like, look at this camera work where the camera's 0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.440 kind of like it's tracking with one person and then 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.200 it kind of shifts over to focus on Alt from 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:41.160 Lena getting out of a car and then he like 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:43.920 sees something and then starts sprinting out of frame and 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:49.200 it's just like this beautiful fluid movement and h it's 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.279 a scene from a better movie. I was like, that 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:56.560 was a singular gorgeous shot. Indeed, I wish I knew. 0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:58.160 I wish I didn't know what movie it was in. 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:05.080 Uh okay. So Alfred Molina plays Bishop Aaron Garossa, who 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:10.200 is a religious figure of Opus Day, a sect of 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:16.760 Catholicism that seems, according to this movie, pretty scary, and 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:23.240 he is like Silas's mentor. So meanwhile, Langdon is taken 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:27.120 to the Louver and Captain Fash a k genre no, 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:34.319 you're literally like Fash And then I was like, I 0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:36.239 don't know, and then I just kept watching because that's 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:38.000 how you that's the only way you can watch the 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:41.000 Da Vincico this to be like hmmm, maybe that's something, 0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:44.440 and then you're like, well, I don't know. Okay, something 0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:47.000 else is happening now. Now we're talking about Constantine and 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:52.320 the Holy Wars. Yeah, so Captain Fash is Genrino and 0:39:52.520 --> 0:40:02.600 he is. He's there as well as Sophie. It's very French, 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.920 and it's they literally cast Emily, so we're like, okay, 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:10.120 she is for French. So it's yeah, Audrey Tattoo or 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.520 however you say any name in French. And I love her. 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:15.440 I wish she had been given a single thing to 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.439 do in this entire movie. Truly, I hope she made 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:20.640 so much money. That's it would give me peace to 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.840 know that Audrey Tattoo made a lot of money. But 0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:24.799 I have a feeling that she probably made much less 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:28.560 money than literally every man on screen. That's probably true, 0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:32.840 and that's upsetting. Her character is a cryptologist for the 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:38.880 French police, and she's like, hey, Robert, they think the 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:43.040 police think that you killed sna Also, by the way, 0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:46.239 he was my grandfather and as he was dying, he 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.239 left all of these clues, so you and I have 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:53.560 to work together to solve them. Because basically Sania had 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.360 put himself in the position of the Vitruvian man. And 0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:59.000 then he also wrote a bunch of words on the 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:02.120 floor an invisible ink, which read how long was this 0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:06.279 man dying? Like this? I had a funny because I 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.799 forgot what the because I remember, like as a kid, 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:12.000 being like whoa the like long ass codes where he's 0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:15.040 just stumbling around the loop like writing poems and ship 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:18.279 and but I was I couldn't remember, and so I 0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:19.880 was like, what if it was what if he just 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:24.080 smeared some pig out in bluff like that would be 0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.399 a more interesting choice to be than whatever the funk 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:36.120 he did, thoughts something to consider for our reboot. Yeah, 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:40.759 like could be a fun iconic message relieve. Also, I 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:43.600 forget who someone it might have been a friend of 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:47.160 the show, Matt Rogers, but like someone recently tweeted like 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:50.520 what what a like weak endorsement that was on the 0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:55.080 part of Charlotte and her web, like like, who's this guy? 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:58.319 I don't know, some pig. He is some pig And 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.560 everyone was like, wow, he must be really special and 0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:04.440 you're like, well, that's not what she said. Oh goodness, 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:11.000 listen to women and what they weave in their web. Okay, 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:16.799 So um Sonia had written O draconian devil, oh lame 0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:21.440 st and Langdon figures out that these words are an 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:26.279 anagram and shout out to anagrams and my very anagrammable name, 0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:31.120 please and thank you. Um that anagrams to Leonardo da 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:34.160 Vinci the Mona Lisa, and then we're like, wow, Da 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:38.799 Vinci code alert it's starting. So they go over to 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.319 the Mona Lisa and there's another clue there, and that 0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:44.040 leads to another clue and then another and it's like 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:48.000 National Treasure all over again. It's yeah, National Treasure. If 0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:51.880 fept way longer and worse, way less fun and there's 0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:56.880 no where is my Bartinary Bartha insight, I feel like 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.239 this movie really would benefit from a Bartha type chater, 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:03.279 like because you have the similar set, because whatever in 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:08.640 the National in the Da Vinci National Treasure Frankenstein Code, 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.600 it's like you have it's kind of like a sacred, 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:18.080 sacred triptych right, Like you have your like agro hero 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.040 in Nicolas Cage. You have a woman who will not 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:24.040 be allowed to do anything but is there in the 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:27.240 form of Abigail. And then you have a little cartoon 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.880 squirrel guy in the form of Justin Bartha. And I 0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:32.400 feel like the da Vinci Code could really have used 0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:36.319 the Justin Bartha character to keep us, to keep us 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:39.000 having some fun in a movie that is really not 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:42.600 that fun to watch. Right, Yeah, we need some kind 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:47.640 of comic relief for squirrel relief, for Bartha relief. It's 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:52.040 not like Justin Bartha wasn't available, you know, was his 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:58.440 availability is open? Okay? So then they pick up the 0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:01.800 flur de Leys, which is this like key like object 0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:05.879 as they're going around the louver discovering clues. But then 0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:09.440 Langdon and Sophie have to run because the cops are 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:13.160 chasing them, and while they're on the run, Langdon tells 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.800 Sophie about the Priory of Ssion, which is a secret 0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:22.360 society that protects a secret treasure, the Holy Grail. Um. So, 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:26.000 now I guess the story is about finding the Holy Grail, right, 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:29.160 which I was like, I think, oh right, that was 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:32.239 another thing. I was like, oh right, that's what the 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:41.960 Da Vinci code was looking for. Question mark. Yes. So meanwhile, 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:45.920 Silas has followed the clue that Son had given him, 0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.520 but it turns out to be a decoy and he 0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:52.319 is so mad that he murders a nun about it. 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:56.160 He really is on a mission from God, and that 0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:58.799 mission is to kill as many nuns as he possibly can, 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:03.320 because he kills a lot of one. Yeah. So then 0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:07.839 we cut back to Langdon and Sophie. They take the 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:12.640 flur dey key thing to this like very fancy bank, 0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:17.880 I guess where in a safety deposit box there is 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:22.360 a smaller wooden box with a rose on it, and 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:28.480 inside that box is the DaVinci. That's the only thing 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:31.439 that Sophie knows in the entire movie is like, how 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.279 the Da Vinci could works, but she doesn't know how 0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:37.000 to unlock it, and she doesn't try. And yes, she 0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.080 knows what a cryptics is, which is the thing that's 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:42.239 in this little box, and it's this device that you 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:45.719 have to spell out a five letter word to unlock 0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:49.759 it and retrieve like a little piece of papyrus inside. 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.520 But if you break it, then the vinegar also inside 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:56.520 the cryptics will dissolve the papyrus and then the secrets 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:59.640 lost forever. So that's a lot of exposition that she 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:03.960 very clunk Lee delivers to us. Mess I liked it 0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:08.799 better when it was just squirting like lemon juice on 0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:13.840 the Declaration of Independence. That was a little more my speed. 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:17.200 But whatever, they made a choice, sure, sure, sure, But 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:21.520 now they've hit a dead end because Langdon doesn't know 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:25.080 enough stuff about the Grail legend. So they go to 0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:31.040 Lee Teping aka Ian McKellen, who is a Grail historian 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:33.839 who is also a billionaire, and it is not clear 0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:37.440 how he has any of his money. That was my thing, Like, 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:39.919 once you find out he's the spy, you're like, well, 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:42.520 of course he had to have some grift going on, 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:46.720 because like Grail historians, that has to pay four dollars 0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:50.480 a year, Like what who is? Like? I feel like 0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:53.200 that's not like a thriving job market where you would 0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:57.839 have like entire zip code to yourself. Maybe he's nepotism, 0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:01.080 we don't know, could be who care that being a 0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.720 Grail historian is the type of job that you would 0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:06.520 have if you're like the kid of a very wealthy 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:08.759 family and you don't have to actually have a real 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:12.080 job or work or anything. I got so bored at 0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:14.279 this part that I started to do a thought experiment 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:16.840 of like what if you were on a date with 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:20.239 someone and you were getting along and then you're like, 0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:22.480 what do you do? And they were like, I'm a 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:26.279 Grail historian. Would you feel like I need to go? 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:31.799 Or would you say I'd better stay. I feel like 0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:34.719 I would be kind of turned off by a Grail historian. 0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:39.280 I'm inclined to agree in the same way many people 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:43.160 are like comedian, I have to go, and it's like 0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:46.439 I get it. Um, that's how I would feel about 0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:48.520 a Grail historian, And actually maybe I would feel a 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:50.680 little superior. I'm like, oh, you found a job that's 0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:57.560 more embarrassing than nine. Yeah. True. Um. So they go 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:02.240 to Lee teeping, and Lee explains that the Holy Grail 0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:05.160 is not a cup, which is what it is commonly 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:09.920 thought to be. It's a woman, but not just any woman. 0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:16.000 It's which one Mary Magdalen. And not only that Mary 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:23.600 Magdalene was Jesus's his wife what and then but wait, 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:28.560 there's more. There's more, which is that that she was 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:33.640 gregnant as hell with Jesus as greg That wasn't in 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:39.040 Jesus Christ Superstar. My mind was blown once that platfoin 0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:41.560 came up. I'm like, oh, I do remember reading that 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:46.839 in the book and being like, oh, what how could 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:49.799 it be? Or like does all this like you know, 0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:53.719 it's like high key bullshit, but it is fun. Like 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:57.320 maybe it was more fun in the early two thousand's 0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:01.480 when like online conspiracies were not um killing people at 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:04.400 the same rates they are these days. But at the time, 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:07.080 I was like, oh, yeah, there is no cup in 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:11.800 that painting. It must mean that Emily is Jesus's niece 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:18.360 like that it's so conspiratorial and weird, and yeah, I 0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.319 mean it is, like those kinds of scenes are really 0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:22.840 fun to watch, especially when they end up being correct. 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:26.000 You're like, wow, you you you made a big swing 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:29.319 and you were right. Yeah. So basically t Being is 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:33.759 making the argument here that da Vinci had left all 0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:39.319 these clues in his work that Mary Magdalene was Jesus's 0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:44.799 his wife and that she is the actual Grail and 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:47.319 that it's not this like Chilice thing anyway. So he's 0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:50.120 like going through this whole power point presentation, and then 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:54.800 he says that once Jesus was crucified, Mary Magdalen fled 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:59.600 to France and gave birth to a daughter. So basically, 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:02.880 the secret that the Priory of Scion has been protecting 0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:07.080 for the past two thousand years is the fact that 0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:12.400 Jesus has a bloodline. And this whole string of airs 0:50:13.080 --> 0:50:18.400 makes you think and the reason that like Silas and 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.080 Alfred Molina's character and like Opus Day exists is that 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:27.080 they are trying to kill Jesus. Is fair the descendants 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:32.560 of Jesus family, because the revelation that Jesus was like 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:36.120 a mortal man who can get people gregnant would kind 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:39.960 of unravel the church's teachings of like the divinity of 0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:43.680 Jesus Christ, we can't be having that. It was Oh 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:47.760 my god, it's so sailing, And this whole scene takes 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:51.200 like twenty minutes. It takes a lot. They cut away 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:52.960 to other stuff every once in a while, but I'm like, 0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:55.479 you think I don't notice that Ian McKellan and Tom 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:59.360 Hanks have been debating for twenty minutes about Mary Magdalen 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:03.319 because I did Audrey tattoo is barely there. She's like 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:08.399 it could it can't be what? No, And then like 0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:12.320 Ian McLellan keeps asking her rhetorical questions that she gets wrong, 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:15.920 Like that's the whole. It's so much. I think that 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:20.640 it's worth mentioning, just in keeping with our male feminist 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:26.440 king narrative that Robert Langton he's written a book and 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:29.320 you know because we see him reading his own book 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:34.839 at multiple points in the UH and it's called Feminine Saclair, 0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:40.280 The Sacred Feminine, and you're like, god, he's so toxic, 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:43.680 but he like the whole it's so two thousand and six, 0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:46.920 but it's still kind of like something that doesn't not 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:51.120 exist now, where it's like sure like siss head men 0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:54.680 who are so invested in proving their respect women that 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:57.800 they just speak over women for hours on end without 0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:03.520 even noticing, Like at every man who is like good 0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:06.680 quote unquote in this movie, it's just talking over women 0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:14.160 and explaining women to them, and to extend being like, no, 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:16.839 I am obsessed with him and I respect them, but 0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:23.080 only if they are says reproducing wives. Does that make sense? 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:25.799 And you're just like, okay, the way we're defining womenhood 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:33.080 is also toxic, Robert langdon oh. Yes. So it's at 0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:36.760 this point in the story where after all this stuff 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:40.520 has been explained to the only woman in the narrative 0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:44.480 who has no idea what's going on, right, Lee starts 0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:48.120 to decipher the cryptics, which is against supposed to have 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:50.560 a map inside that's going to lead to the Holy Grail. 0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:54.759 But just then Silas Sneak attacks them, so they have 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:59.759 to flee in Lee Teebing's plane, which he has a 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:02.440 of a jet of the plane, and they go to 0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:05.520 London and they take Silas as a hostage, and on 0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:09.799 the plane, Robert finds another clue in the box that 0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:13.760 the cryptics came in, so they go to the tomb 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:17.719 that this clue speaks of, and they're they're trying to 0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:20.719 get more information or something. This is a whole this 0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:24.880 is another like and then or something happens where I 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:28.719 don't really know why anyone is doing anything. So they're 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:32.880 trying to find some information. But te Bing's servant man Remy, 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:35.040 kind of turns on them and he turns out to 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:39.600 be the teacher. But oh wait, just kidding, it's Lee. 0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:43.160 Ian McKellen is the teacher. He was the spy. He 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:48.480 was the spy again, another wide swing that ends up 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:50.880 working out for Ian McKellan. I'm like, how did you 0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:54.840 get away with that? He's calling from his home phone number, 0:53:55.800 --> 0:54:01.080 like being like, I, oh, yeah, I know, Jesus is niece. 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:07.200 Don't worry about it, like just weird stuff, weird stuff 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:10.640 I don't know. Um, But so he's not he's the 0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:14.640 bad guy. And then so he he in like Langdon 0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:17.080 and Sophie have kind of like gotten away from each other, 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.360 but then they crossed paths again and he's trying to 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:22.160 get them to like solve the cryptexs and he his 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:24.800 whole thing is he wants the secret of the Grail 0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:28.440 to be exposed. So that's why he's like obsessed with 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:32.800 like finding the location of I don't know they're looking 0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:36.760 for like Mary Magdalen's sarcophagus. I don't even know what's happening. 0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:39.680 I don't even know what. And then Robert Langdon it's 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:43.880 at the right. That also made no sense to me. 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:46.480 I'm like, so the louve is just why do they 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:49.680 have it? What? And who put it there? I guess 0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:51.839 the priory of Scion put it there, but how did 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:55.919 they manage that? I feel like these are questions who 0:54:56.160 --> 0:55:02.600 that weren't intended to be asked. So then we see 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:08.960 a scene where Silas accidentally shoots Alfred Molina but he survives, 0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:12.120 so it's okay, yes, but Silas guess what he dies? 0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:17.759 He dies? And then um, let's see okay, So this 0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:20.719 is where Lee finds Sophie and Langdon again, and he's 0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:23.239 holding them at gunpoint trying to make them open the 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:26.680 cryptechs and then Robert breaks it on purpose, knowing that 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:30.000 it's going to destroy whatever's inside, but he knows what 0:55:30.040 --> 0:55:32.400 the Da Vinci code is K and and right. I 0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:35.040 didn't even I'd like skipped over the whole Apple thing 0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:37.959 in I was like, this is too preposterous. I can't 0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:40.239 even include It's the most important part of the movie. 0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:45.000 When Tom Hanks turns away from where Audrey tattoos in 0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:48.160 the middle of being damseled root of him. Right, he 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:51.880 turns around, envisions the solar system, figures out the da 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.959 Vinci code was Apple. They smashes the da Vinci code 0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:57.440 just in case it wasn't Apple, and he doesn't want 0:55:57.440 --> 0:56:01.160 to embarrass himself. That was I I think that Audrey 0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:04.640 Tattoo should have been like she seems okay, Like she 0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:08.680 seems just like kind of like not invested enough in 0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:12.360 what's going on, as even though it's like it's theoretically 0:56:12.840 --> 0:56:15.840 she's got the most on the line here, she seems 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:18.200 kind of indifferent towards a lot of the events of 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.839 the movie. When he smashes the da Vinci code. Later, 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:23.760 she's just like, why did you smash the da Vinci code? 0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:27.959 I was like, dude, like Jesus's map was in there, 0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:32.799 Like why are why do you care so little? It's 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:35.719 just like her character is just so underwritten that she's like, 0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:38.600 why why would you smash a da Vinci code. He's like, 0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:41.800 while it was Apple, and she's like, you're so smart, 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:46.759 like so the da Vinci code is Apple? Question. Also, 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:51.520 there's just really bad storytelling here where somehow, I mean 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:55.400 everywhere in this movie, but yeah, here, especially where the 0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:59.800 police come in and arrest Lee because Fash had figured 0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:01.880 out that he's the bad guy. And I don't remember 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:05.720 exactly how that happens, but they know that Lee is bad, 0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:08.239 so they arrest him. And as he's getting arrested, he 0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:14.560 like somehow realizes that Langdon had figured out the cryptics 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:17.000 and he's like screaming about He's like, you figured it out, 0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:20.160 that's awesome, good for you. So he's like carrying on 0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:23.680 as he's getting arrested, which spoils what should have been 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:27.480 a reveal that yes, he did figure it out and 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:29.800 he had he did know that it was Apple, and 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:31.680 he had taken the map out like it was a 0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:35.000 lucky guess. I still think it's a really lucky guess, 0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:38.360 because there's no way I just have call me a 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:40.840 da Vinci truther. But I just think he would have 0:57:40.880 --> 0:57:44.920 thought it out more than Apple in in modern English. 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:48.400 But it doesn't make sense. Well, I think that is 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:53.520 like Son was the one who devised that cryptex, because 0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:56.480 they've got to like figure out like as the secret 0:57:56.480 --> 0:57:59.560 gets passed on down the centuries, not not to be 0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:09.520 a defender being Apple. I'm actually fully defending this choice. 0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:13.720 I think it's brilliant. I think the clue of like fleshy, 0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:21.439 red seated womb equals apple. That's a perfect clue. The 0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:24.320 more you think about the da Vinci could being apple, 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:31.040 the worth a grocer, it gets yes. Anyway, so the 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:34.520 reveal gets spoiled that in fact, Langdon did solve the 0:58:34.560 --> 0:58:37.040 cryptics and he took the map out, and the map 0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:41.480 is just another clue which leads them to Roslyn Chapel, 0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:46.400 which is this like Church of Many Faiths built by 0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:50.400 the Priory of Scion or something. And then they find 0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:53.640 this secret room with a bunch of documents about the Grail, 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:59.880 and Langdon discovers that Son was not actually Sophie's grandfather. 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:06.080 He was just protecting Sophie because she is the Holy Grail. 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:09.840 She is the heir of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:14.200 At this point, I'm just like, who cares, not Sophie, 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:18.040 So why should I care? Sophie literally could not react 0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:23.080 less to being Jesus's niece. It's so she she just 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:25.760 once again, it's like it can't be. I'm like, you're 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:29.600 in the National Treasure Basement, like what is what are 0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:36.200 you talking about? She's so just We're getting nothing from her. Nothing. 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:38.440 What if you if you thought out you were Jesus's 0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:44.520 biological niece, you would react, Yeah, one would. I wouldn't 0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:47.760 say nothing. Everyone react a little different, but I wouldn't 0:59:47.800 --> 0:59:56.600 say nothing. And god, God, so frustrating. I'm like, she really, 0:59:56.840 --> 1:00:02.600 she really just said huh okay me but I'm so boring, 1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:08.640 and it's like, you're not wrong there. So then meanwhile, 1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:12.240 all all of the priory of scion has gathered because 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:17.000 they live a half hour away or something, yeah, and 1:00:17.240 --> 1:00:20.600 they're like, Hi, sophieze, we've known who you were this 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:24.640 whole time. And then her grandmother is there? Is that 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:28.160 her biological grandmother? I don't know. I was really unclear 1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:32.160 in that. I'm like, is that Jackson's wife or is 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:34.920 that her biological because they were like, oh, Sophie is 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:36.640 the only living person, and I'm like, but wait, what 1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:40.640 about that lady? Yeah, we don't know. She doesn't have 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:44.680 her womb doesn't work anymore, so she's rendered obsolete. I 1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:48.080 guess who doesn't give a ship either way. Sophie. She 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:53.720 doesn't ask a single question. She just goes, oh, what 1:00:53.880 --> 1:00:59.600 a day, What a day I'm having? Like, yeah, gosh, okay, 1:00:59.640 --> 1:01:04.160 so then Robert Langdon and Sophie say goodbye. But later 1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:09.080 Langdon's like, hang on, Mary Magdalen's sarcophagus wasn't there? Where 1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:11.880 was it? The mystery still isn't He reads his own 1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:14.920 book again, reads his own book to find the answers, 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:18.160 and he's like, bloodline Rose, line Rose, what does it 1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:24.320 all mean? And then he realizes sarcophages rocks, ranks socks 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:31.520 and then I'm just like, I don't think he figured 1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:35.520 anything out. I think he just stumbled around guess an 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:39.520 old library. And then he's like, I can't believe Mary 1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:43.800 Magdalen's buried at the louver, Like what are a perfect 1:01:43.880 --> 1:01:48.280 ending shot? Though so expensive looking? So yeah, so he 1:01:48.360 --> 1:01:52.680 goes to he realizes somehow that Mary Magdalen's sarcophagus is 1:01:52.840 --> 1:01:56.080 under the louver or like somewhere in the loop. I 1:01:56.080 --> 1:02:00.160 don't know, and then he kneels down and he prays, 1:02:00.400 --> 1:02:14.200 and that's the end of the movie. Questions, No, it 1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:18.600 made total sense to me. I this movie is hilarious, 1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:23.960 Like there's just it's just so expensive it wants you 1:02:24.000 --> 1:02:27.320 to think it's It's like, I don't know. It is 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:29.680 like fun to watch a movie that really thinks it's 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:34.280 doing something, you know, and it's like so like sweeping 1:02:34.320 --> 1:02:36.840 and engaging, and you know that people really liked it 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:39.600 when it came out, and then there was like, I mean, 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:42.240 there was such a huge controversy around this movie and 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:44.800 everyone was like, you know, but but then you watch 1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:49.280 it and you're like, this is ridiculous. I wanted to 1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:53.800 start by I want to just kind of uh start 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:58.280 by talking about how albinism is portrayed in this movie 1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:04.200 and many so that's I think one of the biggest 1:03:04.640 --> 1:03:08.520 missteps in the I mean just the story as a whole, 1:03:08.520 --> 1:03:11.320 because I know that that is I believe Cannon to 1:03:11.400 --> 1:03:14.920 the book as well. Yes, I believe so so um 1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:18.640 so yeah. I mean there is just a very traceable 1:03:18.800 --> 1:03:23.560 history of, um not just prejudice against albino people, but 1:03:23.840 --> 1:03:29.720 prejudice against albinism in movies specifically and using albinism as 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:36.000 a shorthand for demonizing a character. I have an article 1:03:36.040 --> 1:03:38.280 that came out at the time this movie was released 1:03:38.880 --> 1:03:42.280 in summer two thousand and six. It was in Shadow 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:46.880 Penn State News. I found that one as well. I thought, 1:03:47.000 --> 1:03:49.520 you know, it's it's it's kind of a cursory or review, 1:03:49.560 --> 1:03:52.960 but kind of gives you a short history of villains 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:56.800 who are albino in movies. There's also, I mean, I 1:03:56.800 --> 1:04:00.360 think it's it's worth saying that there is part of 1:04:00.400 --> 1:04:02.080 the reason this shows up in movies a lot is 1:04:02.080 --> 1:04:05.880 because there has been prejudice that has been extremely violent 1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:10.480 towards albino people from all over the world for like 1:04:10.680 --> 1:04:13.800 hundreds of thousands of years. There were people who were 1:04:13.840 --> 1:04:18.160 sent to prison for hunting albino people as recently as 1:04:18.200 --> 1:04:21.720 two thousand and nine. Like it is like a very 1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:27.640 very pervasive prejudice that is really really rarely discussed, and 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:31.200 it's very present in this movie through the character of Silas, 1:04:31.320 --> 1:04:35.120 who is played by Paul Bettany, who we know is 1:04:35.120 --> 1:04:38.040 not an albino person. So I just wanted to read 1:04:38.240 --> 1:04:44.240 a quote from this piece from the Penn State News 1:04:44.440 --> 1:04:48.440 to kind of open the discussion. It's from Marybeth Oliver, 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:52.320 who is a Penn State professor and talks about the 1:04:52.400 --> 1:04:57.160 psychological effects of media. Basically breaks down that a lot 1:04:57.280 --> 1:05:02.160 of albino stereotypes are connected to vampires, going back as 1:05:02.200 --> 1:05:06.560 far as nose furraw too, and just associating paleness and 1:05:07.000 --> 1:05:10.680 like really really light pigmentation of the eyes, of the hair, 1:05:11.080 --> 1:05:15.680 and of this skin, with zombies, with vampires, and just 1:05:15.840 --> 1:05:20.240 with inherent badness. So and and uh, the article kind 1:05:20.240 --> 1:05:23.320 of goes down to and Silas in the Da Vinci 1:05:23.360 --> 1:05:26.360 Code is kind of the most recent version of this 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:31.040 prejudice seeping into a villain because it is in no 1:05:31.160 --> 1:05:34.320 way necessary to Silas's character for him to be an 1:05:34.320 --> 1:05:38.560 albino character. He is a religious extremist with a traumatic 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:42.240 pass that can be literally anybody. So the choice for 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:46.480 him to be an albino character an extremely underrepresented population 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:50.360 in movies is really intentional, you know. And so uh, 1:05:50.520 --> 1:05:54.800 Mary Beth Oliver says, quote to portray any group as 1:05:54.840 --> 1:05:58.240 one dimensional is a problematic thing, even if negative portrayals 1:05:58.240 --> 1:06:01.120 are infrequent. If it's the case that every time albinos 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:05.280 are depicted it's negatively, then the images become connected. Demonization 1:06:05.320 --> 1:06:07.480 of any group runs the risk of affecting us in 1:06:07.480 --> 1:06:10.320 ways we might not be aware of. Um and then 1:06:10.400 --> 1:06:15.280 kind of notes that Silas is uh symptomatic of this prejudice, 1:06:15.320 --> 1:06:18.200 but is in no way singular. This is like a 1:06:18.320 --> 1:06:26.000 very distinct media trend that is like very rarely discuss Yes, indeed, UM. 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:28.720 I did a little bit of research on this as 1:06:28.760 --> 1:06:32.560 well and wanted to share something I found from the 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:39.240 Tri City Herald shout out UM so this was published 1:06:39.400 --> 1:06:44.680 in It talks about a study from the University of 1:06:44.760 --> 1:06:49.960 Texas that examined heroes and villains the top ten heroes 1:06:50.000 --> 1:06:53.800 and villains from the a f i S Greatest Heroes 1:06:53.840 --> 1:06:56.440 and Villains list and found that sixty percent of the 1:06:56.520 --> 1:06:59.520 villains had some form of skin disease and none of 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:01.760 the hero none of the heroes did. So just like 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:05.600 extending beyond Albanism, there's like a just a huge We've 1:07:05.600 --> 1:07:08.560 talked about this before in terms of like disability often 1:07:08.600 --> 1:07:14.680 being ascribed to villains absolutely and then therefore demonizing disability 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:18.560 UM and then quote. The study also mentions the widespread 1:07:18.600 --> 1:07:22.280 trope of the evil albino, in which TV shows, movies, 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:26.560 and other media treat albino characters as untrustworthy, ill intentioned, 1:07:26.600 --> 1:07:30.400 and villainous. According to the National Organization for Albanism and 1:07:30.520 --> 1:07:35.080 hypo Pigmentation, sixty eight movies released between nineteen sixty and 1:07:35.120 --> 1:07:39.600 two thousand six feature evil albino characters, with a large 1:07:39.680 --> 1:07:44.240 portion of those coming after the year two thousand. UM 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:48.120 it talks about how this movie was protested by the 1:07:48.240 --> 1:07:52.600 National Organization for Albanism and hypo Pigmentation, but you know, 1:07:52.760 --> 1:07:57.840 the filmmakers still made the choice to include this trope. 1:07:58.720 --> 1:08:03.200 And this is a quote from Michael McGowan, the president 1:08:03.320 --> 1:08:06.600 of NOAH at the time that he did an interview 1:08:06.600 --> 1:08:11.840 with the Associated Press in the earlier mid two thousand's said, quote, 1:08:12.000 --> 1:08:15.040 the problem is that there has been no balance. There 1:08:15.040 --> 1:08:19.360 are no realistic, sympathetic or heroic characters with Albanism that 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:22.840 you can find in movies or popular culture. So it's 1:08:22.880 --> 1:08:25.920 the same end quote. So it's the same thing that 1:08:26.439 --> 1:08:31.439 we see all the time with villains being mothered in 1:08:31.520 --> 1:08:34.599 some way that ends up being very toxic and harmful 1:08:34.920 --> 1:08:39.720 for people, an extremely marginalized group. And it's I mean, 1:08:39.960 --> 1:08:41.680 and on top of that, I mean, in the in 1:08:41.720 --> 1:08:45.599 the same way that we've been having ongoing conversations about 1:08:45.640 --> 1:08:50.320 how disabled characters and and just are are very rarely 1:08:50.360 --> 1:08:55.120 played by actors who have that disability. And Paul Bettany 1:08:55.320 --> 1:08:59.880 is a wonderful actor, but certainly cannot speak to that experience. 1:09:00.120 --> 1:09:03.040 And it's just it couldn't be more obvious in the 1:09:03.080 --> 1:09:08.000 context of this movie that albinism is used to other 1:09:08.160 --> 1:09:12.080 this character. It is used to make the character look 1:09:12.120 --> 1:09:16.600 different from other people and to some extent like justify, well, oh, 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:19.240 they look so different from what I'm used to. Of course, 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:23.080 they're not going to be the good guy in this movie. 1:09:23.200 --> 1:09:26.960 And it's it's it's so it's really I mean, I 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:28.639 think that this is the first time we've talked about 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:32.519 it extensively on this show. But it is like such 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:38.880 uh longstanding issue, and there are still not like, I mean, 1:09:38.920 --> 1:09:43.080 I can't think of like an extremely successful albino actor, 1:09:43.160 --> 1:09:46.559 even though there are you know, many who are working 1:09:46.680 --> 1:09:51.080 and so yeah, I don't know, I mean this, yeah, 1:09:51.160 --> 1:09:57.200 it's just for me. It's like the worst part of 1:09:57.600 --> 1:10:01.920 the movie by a long shot. And what will link 1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:04.760 in the description of the episode some resources where you 1:10:04.800 --> 1:10:09.200 can learn more as well. Yeah, I mean that's where 1:10:09.320 --> 1:10:12.720 it's just there's absolutely no argument to be made by 1:10:12.800 --> 1:10:15.960 perpetuating this stereotype in two thousand and six in a 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:20.439 way that like it couldn't be less necessary. This is 1:10:20.479 --> 1:10:25.320 a religious extremist character. You don't need to marginalize a 1:10:25.479 --> 1:10:31.680 community to get across that religious extremism is not good. Like, 1:10:31.720 --> 1:10:37.840 it's just so absurd that it's uh, it's it's really 1:10:37.920 --> 1:10:41.840 upsetting to watch. And then similarly, one of the other 1:10:41.920 --> 1:10:46.080 characters who ends up being a major villain the t 1:10:46.280 --> 1:10:49.240 being a k Ian McKellen is a character with a 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:54.360 physical disability. He uses canes and they like repeatedly refer 1:10:54.479 --> 1:10:57.559 to him jokingly as he, oh, he's a cripple, and 1:10:57.640 --> 1:11:01.160 like everyone is like may being fun of his and 1:11:01.200 --> 1:11:03.479 it's like you can still see it's it's being done 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:09.240 for this very unnecessary, ablest narrative reason. It's like, oh, 1:11:09.280 --> 1:11:12.800 we need to make him look, you know, harmless, So 1:11:12.920 --> 1:11:15.200 what will we do. Let's give him a disability And 1:11:15.240 --> 1:11:19.200 it's like that is just I mean it we talked 1:11:19.200 --> 1:11:23.360 about it a lot, but it's just it's so harmful 1:11:23.479 --> 1:11:27.200 and lazy. It's really it's it sucks. And then also 1:11:27.320 --> 1:11:32.520 that you see like him like pushed around while he's 1:11:32.640 --> 1:11:37.280 navigating with canes and just like it's it's so it's 1:11:37.360 --> 1:11:43.440 just so aggressively unnecessary. That is trash. It is simply trash, 1:11:43.600 --> 1:11:48.639 and we do not like it. Um but wait, there's 1:11:48.680 --> 1:11:52.920 more more that we don't like. I mean, we we 1:11:52.960 --> 1:11:55.280 already started to kind of get it that like let's 1:11:55.320 --> 1:11:57.400 just get like we're going to get all the like 1:11:57.520 --> 1:12:00.360 truly harmful evil ship out of the way, and then 1:12:00.360 --> 1:12:04.760 we're just gonna dunk on the Da Vinci code. But yeah, 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:10.920 I mean, the this movie's view of valuing and respecting 1:12:11.040 --> 1:12:18.400 women is so fucking goofy. It's it's for I mean, 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:22.479 it's extremely siss normative, where it's like, well, the reason 1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:26.400 that Mary Magdalene is important is because of like her womb. 1:12:26.560 --> 1:12:31.080 I'm like, it's just like creepy, turfy language. And then 1:12:31.120 --> 1:12:33.439 on top of that, it's like I feel like we're 1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:39.000 supposed to believe that Robert Langdon and like what Lee 1:12:39.080 --> 1:12:46.000 t being are like feminists because they acknowledged a woman's existence, 1:12:46.200 --> 1:12:48.840 Like it's just so bottom of the barrel. And then 1:12:48.920 --> 1:12:51.040 even but even so, it's like, well, of course we 1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:53.280 valued her because she was as a wife and a mother, 1:12:53.520 --> 1:12:57.320 but we acknowledged that she was a real person. And also, 1:12:58.000 --> 1:13:00.639 don't say she's a sex worker because I like that, 1:13:01.040 --> 1:13:05.760 and like that offhand comment of like Ian McKellan being, 1:13:06.000 --> 1:13:10.080 you know, horrified that it was suggested that Mary Magdalen 1:13:10.160 --> 1:13:12.880 was a sex worker, which, as we I mean, it's 1:13:12.920 --> 1:13:18.200 just another extremely marginalized and stereotyped community in film, and 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:23.560 it's just God, I'm like, this is this the feminism 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:26.840 you ordered? I guess this is Bush administration. Feminism is 1:13:27.200 --> 1:13:30.400 so a man, a man screaming at you that it's 1:13:30.400 --> 1:13:33.519 okay to be a wife and a mother, Like shut up. 1:13:33.960 --> 1:13:39.320 A huge component of this movie is like the symbology 1:13:39.840 --> 1:13:46.760 surrounding Oh, this symbol equals male, and this symbol equals female, 1:13:47.000 --> 1:13:53.320 and Holy Grail equals woman's womb and is as you said, 1:13:53.479 --> 1:13:58.160 just like reductive, insist normative. And but the characters are 1:13:58.160 --> 1:14:02.400 presenting this information as if they're like, actually, it's awesome 1:14:03.080 --> 1:14:08.080 that the Holy Grail is Mary Magdalen's womb and her bloodline. 1:14:08.640 --> 1:14:13.160 And it's and it's because of the church hated women 1:14:13.280 --> 1:14:15.680 and they and they burned witches at the steak. But 1:14:15.720 --> 1:14:20.000 women are actually cool because of their ability to have 1:14:20.080 --> 1:14:26.599 sex with men and give them children. It's so it's 1:14:26.800 --> 1:14:30.320 it's like just so frustrating that they're like, this is 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:34.200 what women this mel Gibson thought he knew what women wanted. 1:14:34.479 --> 1:14:39.080 This is what women want to be called God. It's 1:14:39.160 --> 1:14:41.439 obviously we say this all the time too. It's like 1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:45.559 no disrespect to like people who have babies and people 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:48.760 who give birth like amazing, keep it up if you 1:14:48.800 --> 1:14:53.640 want to write. But yeah, it's just like the most basic, reductive, 1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:59.800 incorrect way to define. It's just so annoying. They don't 1:14:59.800 --> 1:15:04.240 say anything about Mary Magdalene except that she was a wife, 1:15:04.280 --> 1:15:07.599 a mother and moved to France, like and not a 1:15:07.600 --> 1:15:10.519 sex worker. And on top of that, this kind of 1:15:10.600 --> 1:15:14.639 like dovetails into what there is to discuss about Sophie. 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:17.559 It's like they're just talking at a woman the entire 1:15:17.680 --> 1:15:21.680 movie who is Like again, it's it's kind of I 1:15:21.680 --> 1:15:24.080 don't I guess it's the opposite of a Mary Sue. 1:15:24.160 --> 1:15:28.800 I don't, it's a it's a Susan Marie, where where 1:15:28.880 --> 1:15:31.280 we're presented with a woman who should know how to 1:15:31.320 --> 1:15:33.400 do a lot of things but is not allowed to 1:15:33.439 --> 1:15:37.519 do anything. Like we meet Sophie as like a well 1:15:37.600 --> 1:15:41.320 respected cryptologist. I kind of like how she's introduced. She 1:15:41.680 --> 1:15:44.559 enters very authoritatively, She's like, I am Sophie, I am 1:15:44.640 --> 1:15:48.280 a cryptologist. Everyone takes her very seriously, like it's immediately 1:15:48.280 --> 1:15:50.799 she's in control of the situation. She gets a little 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:54.720 code across to Langdon and yeah, I thought it was 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:57.760 generally kind of a strong introduction to that character. But 1:15:57.840 --> 1:16:01.080 then it's just like she proceeds to contribute nothing to 1:16:01.120 --> 1:16:04.040 the story, not seem to really care what's going on 1:16:04.080 --> 1:16:06.519 in this story, even though it very much concerns her, 1:16:07.000 --> 1:16:10.679 like and it's just like she she's she's damseled several times, 1:16:10.800 --> 1:16:14.720 even though usually when she's damseled, she's damseled first, but 1:16:14.760 --> 1:16:19.200 then everyone's damseled and you're just like, okay, what It's 1:16:19.200 --> 1:16:22.880 just there's just like we find out. I mean, I 1:16:22.920 --> 1:16:26.639 guess the things I can say about her are I 1:16:26.720 --> 1:16:31.920 love Audrey Tattoo. She's great. We do know more I 1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:36.320 think about, like Sophie's background than we know about Robert Langdon's. 1:16:36.320 --> 1:16:37.960 Like all we really know about Robert Langdon as he 1:16:38.000 --> 1:16:41.639 teaches at Harvard and he fell in a well true, 1:16:41.720 --> 1:16:45.000 but I would argue that a lot of like men 1:16:45.040 --> 1:16:49.120 who are writing a female, like a strong female character, well, 1:16:49.280 --> 1:16:52.719 she's defined by her trauma exactly. It's like a character 1:16:52.800 --> 1:16:57.320 who has a tragic backstory and then it has turned 1:16:57.360 --> 1:17:04.400 them into this kind of like stoic, almost cold, emotionless personality. 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:07.559 Lists is that even what she's supposed to be coming 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:10.360 off as like, it's so uncure how we're supposed to 1:17:10.360 --> 1:17:12.960 be receiving her, because there's just nothing. It's just I 1:17:13.040 --> 1:17:16.240 just woke, I just woke flee up with my screaming 1:17:16.240 --> 1:17:19.800 about the Da Vinci code. But yeah, I mean, she 1:17:19.920 --> 1:17:25.920 just like she's devoid of any kind of personality, humor, 1:17:25.920 --> 1:17:30.080 emotion of any kind. Nothing. She's like, I hate history. 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:33.439 I was like, but what do you like? Like, do 1:17:33.479 --> 1:17:37.000 you even like breaking codes? It sure doesn't seem that way, 1:17:37.439 --> 1:17:39.680 right because you don't have any You don't seem to 1:17:39.720 --> 1:17:41.720 be able to do it, because we don't see you 1:17:41.760 --> 1:17:45.240 do it at any point, except she knows that PS 1:17:45.360 --> 1:17:51.240 equals Princess Sophie I'm which is like, well, if we're 1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:53.559 I guess while we're in the reductive zone, why not 1:17:54.360 --> 1:17:56.880 Like I'm gonna I'm gonna try to coin this. She's 1:17:56.880 --> 1:17:59.240 a full on Susan Marie. She should know how to 1:17:59.280 --> 1:18:02.120 solve a number of problems that are going on in 1:18:02.160 --> 1:18:04.880 this story were introduced to her as a person who 1:18:04.960 --> 1:18:09.240 is extremely qualified to solve this, but instead of her 1:18:09.280 --> 1:18:13.439 solving anything, we are just introduced by Robert Langdon to 1:18:13.680 --> 1:18:16.599 other characters who should be able to break a code 1:18:16.840 --> 1:18:20.679 and it's like, but she's right there, like it's it's 1:18:20.680 --> 1:18:23.640 so and it is like doubly frustrating to me that 1:18:23.720 --> 1:18:29.479 she just doesn't even seem interested in codes, And it's like, well, 1:18:29.520 --> 1:18:32.920 if you're not interested in codes, why were we introduced 1:18:32.960 --> 1:18:35.800 to you as a code expert? Like if she was 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:39.679 just I would I would feel less insulted by this choice. Honestly, 1:18:39.720 --> 1:18:42.240 if she was just like a regular person, she's like, 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:44.400 I don't know. I own a I own a plant shop. 1:18:44.439 --> 1:18:47.360 I don't know about this, Like that would make more 1:18:47.439 --> 1:18:50.240 narrative sense, given how little she does, if she had 1:18:50.280 --> 1:18:53.240 no expertise in this, but we're told she has extreme expertise. 1:18:53.479 --> 1:18:56.240 And then she's just like I don't know. Like when 1:18:56.479 --> 1:18:59.640 Ian McKellan has a gun to her head and he's like, 1:18:59.720 --> 1:19:03.200 what the da Vinci code, she's like, I d K, 1:19:03.720 --> 1:19:06.360 I d K my bff gill, I guess he'll just 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:09.960 have to kill me, and like she doesn't even try. 1:19:10.479 --> 1:19:13.479 She hasn't think for a second about what the da 1:19:13.520 --> 1:19:16.760 Vinci code might be. She doesn't seem to care, like 1:19:16.840 --> 1:19:21.080 it's just so bizarre. And then when they're like looking 1:19:21.120 --> 1:19:24.160 at all the invisible ink scrawled all over the floor, 1:19:24.439 --> 1:19:28.360 and he's like, wait a minute, the Fibonacci sequence, they're 1:19:28.400 --> 1:19:31.879 out of order. Maybe that's a clue that the letters 1:19:31.880 --> 1:19:34.640 are out of order. And she's like, oh, an anagram. 1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:38.080 And then, rather than trying to solve an anagram as 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:43.000 a fucking cryptologist, she's like, shrug, can you do it? Robert, 1:19:43.040 --> 1:19:45.960 and he's like, you bet you then, and then he 1:19:46.240 --> 1:19:51.840 iconically says moons, sermons, charms, demons, sermons, monks. He's has 1:19:51.840 --> 1:19:56.400 servants twice, also monks, ranks, rocks, like at least Robert 1:19:56.479 --> 1:20:00.000 Langdon for someone who is not a cryptologist. Uh, seems 1:20:00.040 --> 1:20:04.479 drisketed in breaking coach like it's even though he clearly 1:20:04.479 --> 1:20:06.439 sucks at it. And he thought that Da Vinci Coulde 1:20:06.479 --> 1:20:10.320 was Apple, which I am increasingly convinced it was not. Okay, 1:20:10.400 --> 1:20:14.160 here's another thing I'm I'm realizing in real time here, 1:20:14.320 --> 1:20:18.439 so bear with me. But okay, okay, So Sen what's 1:20:18.520 --> 1:20:21.200 is his name? Sennier? I don't I don't know how 1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:25.880 French Jacqueslier I feel. I also think that Dan Brown. 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:29.519 Maybe I'm totally right if we have French matrons. Uh, 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:32.479 please correct me if I'm wrong, But it does just 1:20:32.479 --> 1:20:35.200 sound like Dan Brown is writing down the most French 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:40.479 names he can think of. Like he's like, um, Jacques Soldier, sure, yeah, 1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:44.360 print it. I'm a billionaire. Now watch my master class. 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:47.280 I'm going to watch his masterclass and he's going to 1:20:47.360 --> 1:20:49.840 talk have a four am and eat spinach, and I'm 1:20:49.840 --> 1:20:51.880 gonna turn it off and then you're going to be 1:20:51.920 --> 1:20:55.479 the most successful writer of all time, Jamie. Um. Okay. 1:20:55.560 --> 1:21:01.640 So Jacques, who we learned through flashbacks, has been training 1:21:02.280 --> 1:21:08.200 Sophie to break codes and follow clues and like he's 1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:11.640 been like prepping her for her entire life for this 1:21:11.720 --> 1:21:15.479 kind of thing. But she cares, which she doesn't care. 1:21:15.600 --> 1:21:19.479 And he has so little faith apparently that she will 1:21:19.520 --> 1:21:22.360 be able to solve any of this stuff that he 1:21:22.720 --> 1:21:27.800 explicitly tells her find Robert Langdon, even though he is 1:21:27.880 --> 1:21:31.719 not a cryptologist and is not an expert in deciphering code. 1:21:31.960 --> 1:21:34.880 I was kind of wondering that, like why, because Robert 1:21:34.960 --> 1:21:38.400 Langdon himself says, I don't know why I would be 1:21:38.439 --> 1:21:41.599 the person to go to, right But this the entire 1:21:41.680 --> 1:21:44.800 plot of this movie hinges on the fact that a 1:21:44.880 --> 1:21:48.280 man had so little faith in a woman to be 1:21:48.360 --> 1:21:53.120 able to propel the story forward that he's like, Okay, 1:21:53.360 --> 1:21:56.559 woman who I know, find this man over here because 1:21:56.560 --> 1:22:01.120 he'll be able to help you. Okay, But also canonically 1:22:02.000 --> 1:22:05.280 it was he wrong. It wasn't like Sophie could solve 1:22:05.560 --> 1:22:09.000 any of the codes. He solves zero of the codes. 1:22:09.240 --> 1:22:11.719 She just knew that one thing had a code inside 1:22:11.760 --> 1:22:14.680 of it. True, But that is just because the writing 1:22:14.800 --> 1:22:18.320 is such dogshit. Well yeah, like of course it's it's 1:22:18.360 --> 1:22:22.519 because Dan Brown doesn't actually care about women, Like that's obvious. 1:22:22.800 --> 1:22:25.720 But like in the Cannon, it makes total sense to 1:22:25.720 --> 1:22:28.160 me that Chaque Sag would have very little faith in 1:22:28.280 --> 1:22:31.000 Sophie's ability to solve this code because she doesn't solve 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:34.479 a single code. And the movies four hours long. I'm 1:22:34.479 --> 1:22:38.000 also realizing I have all these notes saying Robert and Sophie, 1:22:38.040 --> 1:22:40.160 Robert and Sophie, Robert and Sophie, and I'm like, literally 1:22:41.320 --> 1:22:44.679 Robert Evans and Sophie was literally our friends. I wrote 1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:46.599 it down five hundred times last night, and I literally 1:22:46.640 --> 1:22:48.240 at one point like, this feels weird. I feel like 1:22:48.240 --> 1:22:52.960 I've written this before. Uh because wait, wait, what if 1:22:53.040 --> 1:22:55.920 that's of my closest friends. Wait a minute, just saying 1:22:56.200 --> 1:22:59.000 what if that's code. What if the movie is trying 1:22:59.040 --> 1:23:02.360 to tell us something about friends Robert and Sophie. I 1:23:02.400 --> 1:23:08.480 hope not. Let's just say, as someone who really detests 1:23:08.600 --> 1:23:12.720 both of these characters, I hope not. I hope. Oh 1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:15.320 my god, that's so funny, though. They should. They should 1:23:15.320 --> 1:23:18.800 start in our reboot. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Robert and so 1:23:18.880 --> 1:23:22.200 except this time Sophie does know how to do things 1:23:23.240 --> 1:23:28.000 and Robert isn't. He's just carrying guns around. Yeah, he 1:23:28.120 --> 1:23:30.479 just has he doesn't really, Yeah, he just has the 1:23:30.600 --> 1:23:34.360 He's kind of the muscle of the operation. Um, I 1:23:34.360 --> 1:23:36.720 don't know who Ian McKellen is in this situation. We'll 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:40.960 figure it out. Let's think on it. But um, yeah, 1:23:41.040 --> 1:23:43.200 to kind of go back to just like a lot 1:23:43.240 --> 1:23:47.680 of this plot is men explaining things to women. This 1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:51.760 happens a lot in a lot of movies across many genres, 1:23:51.960 --> 1:23:56.000 where it's like basically a storytelling device, and I think 1:23:56.120 --> 1:23:59.960 I think it actually um composes like the vast majority 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:07.080 of human interaction. I've had so many things that I 1:24:07.160 --> 1:24:10.679 already know explained to me by men and it doesn't 1:24:10.680 --> 1:24:15.200 come from nowhere, right, Um, So what happens here with 1:24:15.400 --> 1:24:19.479 this kind of trope even is that there's a story 1:24:19.520 --> 1:24:22.720 that requires a lot of like world building or exposition, 1:24:23.240 --> 1:24:25.240 and the writer needs to figure out a way to 1:24:25.280 --> 1:24:28.920 get this across clearly to the audience. So what they 1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:32.200 usually do is pull in a character, like, you know, 1:24:32.240 --> 1:24:36.920 an audience proxy who the other characters can explain things too, 1:24:37.080 --> 1:24:40.200 so that the audience can get this information. What usually happens, 1:24:40.280 --> 1:24:42.639 or what often happens, is that this character is like 1:24:43.120 --> 1:24:45.880 the only woman or one of only a very few 1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:50.599 number of women in the story. I remember talking about 1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:55.080 this in the Casino Royale episode. This happens in Laura Croft, 1:24:55.240 --> 1:24:58.320 this happens literally. I mean, I think it's like honestly 1:24:58.400 --> 1:25:01.839 part and parcel to every genre, but it's like it's 1:25:01.880 --> 1:25:07.599 prevalent in the action genre, like action sci fi. Yeah, 1:25:07.720 --> 1:25:11.400 world building genres especially, and I think that it has 1:25:11.439 --> 1:25:14.400 a lot to do with I would guess that genres 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:17.679 that people assumed for a very long time that men 1:25:17.800 --> 1:25:20.960 are the main audience for this genre, that it features 1:25:21.000 --> 1:25:24.599 a lot of men talking at women, right, And it's 1:25:24.640 --> 1:25:27.040 just like it's just a it's a trope that operates 1:25:27.120 --> 1:25:33.040 under and reinforces the assumption that like women don't know things, 1:25:33.200 --> 1:25:36.280 women don't know as much as men. Women aren't smart. 1:25:36.400 --> 1:25:39.360 Men are smart. Men need to explain things to women, 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:43.599 and like that is just like such a widely held 1:25:44.080 --> 1:25:48.599 belief still, particularly by men. But this one is like 1:25:48.760 --> 1:25:53.760 even it just feels like a very weird mutation of 1:25:53.800 --> 1:25:57.920 that trope because it's men talking at women, not just 1:25:58.400 --> 1:26:02.040 about anything. Of this is how spaceship work, this is 1:26:02.080 --> 1:26:05.800 how computer work, or like extremely binary assumptions of like 1:26:05.920 --> 1:26:08.360 men know about this thing, women know about this thing. 1:26:08.680 --> 1:26:12.639 These are men who are talking about women a woman 1:26:12.680 --> 1:26:15.839 like it's it's like worse than the normal one because 1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:19.240 like it's all bad, but it's especially annoying to hear 1:26:19.320 --> 1:26:22.639 men explain women to them Like that is just like 1:26:23.040 --> 1:26:26.240 what are you doing? Like the room couldn't be less 1:26:26.280 --> 1:26:30.120 read in this scenario. There's at that scene is fucking 1:26:30.160 --> 1:26:36.519 twenty minutes long where they're explaining birth and marriage and 1:26:36.720 --> 1:26:41.200 like just and what aren't they explaining about sis women 1:26:41.840 --> 1:26:44.760 to us this woman who's sitting right there, Like it's 1:26:44.800 --> 1:26:48.960 just so And then it just means that like because 1:26:49.040 --> 1:26:52.320 the two men already know things about this and they 1:26:52.479 --> 1:26:56.920 formed their own theories, they get to like debate and 1:26:57.000 --> 1:27:02.480 like actually have a discussion, whereas Sophie is just talked 1:27:02.520 --> 1:27:05.760 at and explained to. And it's just but again, the 1:27:05.800 --> 1:27:09.400 thing is, like Sophie should be able to engage with 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:12.800 this discussion to some extent based on what we know 1:27:12.880 --> 1:27:17.680 about her. She just the writer's Dan Brown slash the 1:27:17.760 --> 1:27:20.840 guy who wrote this movie. Don't let her. That's why 1:27:20.880 --> 1:27:23.360 it really bothers me. Is like we have been told 1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:27.439 that she has a level of knowledge that at least, 1:27:27.479 --> 1:27:30.120 even if she doesn't know jack shit about the Bible, 1:27:30.479 --> 1:27:33.439 she is a cryptologist. She's a very critical thinker, Like 1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:37.960 she would be able to engage with this conversation actively, 1:27:38.080 --> 1:27:40.960 even if she wasn't the expert on the subject, she 1:27:40.960 --> 1:27:44.479 would at least be able to intelligently interact with this topic. 1:27:44.800 --> 1:27:48.600 But she just doesn't. She just say they don't just 1:27:48.680 --> 1:27:52.599 make her sit there and like be like, huh what, 1:27:52.960 --> 1:27:56.080 That's not what I heard. And then I cut to 1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:58.680 Audrey Tattoo, who like wakes up from the nap she 1:27:58.800 --> 1:28:01.800 was taking because she hasn't they haven't put a camera 1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:04.920 on her in fourteen hours, and she goes that can't 1:28:04.960 --> 1:28:08.559 be or she goes like but wait, or like Ian mceellan, 1:28:08.640 --> 1:28:12.000 like multiple with that scene asks her questions that he 1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:14.080 knows the answer to that he knows she doesn't know 1:28:14.160 --> 1:28:17.920 the answer to, and then she will answer it wrong, 1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:20.439 and then I'll be like ha ha ha ha, No, 1:28:20.680 --> 1:28:25.880 you fool, it's Mary Magdalene and she's your mom. And 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:31.360 then you're just like, oh my god, this is exhausting. 1:28:31.760 --> 1:28:37.679 It also makes you wonder why Jacques would not tell 1:28:38.080 --> 1:28:43.240 Sophie anything about her true identity or her history. Like 1:28:43.280 --> 1:28:45.919 it's not like she's too young. She's like in her thirties. 1:28:46.120 --> 1:28:48.080 It's not like, oh, I couldn't tell her she was 1:28:48.120 --> 1:28:50.679 only you know, she's ten years old. She couldn't handle 1:28:50.680 --> 1:28:53.479 the truth. Yet it's like, no, she's like she's thirty 1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:56.280 three years And I think the movie tries to like 1:28:56.320 --> 1:28:59.120 explain this, this story of the book whatever, tries to 1:28:59.160 --> 1:29:02.280 explain this away by like saying, oh, no, they lost touch. 1:29:02.640 --> 1:29:07.080 But why would the grand Master of the Priory of 1:29:07.320 --> 1:29:11.400 Scion let that happen, let himself lose touch with the 1:29:11.520 --> 1:29:15.720 last living air of Jesus if his whole thing is 1:29:16.080 --> 1:29:20.680 protecting this air, Like he literally had one job. He 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:24.639 had one job and then he like, I just it's 1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:29.280 so funny. I would love not the let's scale that down. 1:29:29.640 --> 1:29:33.280 I think it would be really funny, like the amount 1:29:33.640 --> 1:29:37.160 started to go back to the whole, like invisible ink 1:29:37.240 --> 1:29:43.280 in the loop, But how long must it have taken? 1:29:43.960 --> 1:29:47.200 Like and you never see you see? I think I 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:49.800 mean were to assume all of the invisible ink he 1:29:50.200 --> 1:29:56.400 had on hand when he died at the louver. But 1:29:56.640 --> 1:30:00.320 his his hand never falters. It's all in the same fond. 1:30:00.400 --> 1:30:04.160 It's all in like comics hands b and he just 1:30:04.360 --> 1:30:07.400 is like whoop, whoop, whoop. He's doing like anagrams in 1:30:07.479 --> 1:30:11.120 his head as he's like bleeding out from his stomach 1:30:11.680 --> 1:30:17.080 like god the okay, yes, so ultimately the point So 1:30:17.200 --> 1:30:19.840 and we didn't Caitly and I agreed, we're not going 1:30:19.880 --> 1:30:24.759 to get into the extreme sexism in Catholicism or organized 1:30:24.760 --> 1:30:27.639 religion in any way because it is just too vast 1:30:27.720 --> 1:30:31.479 and we wanted to have fun today. Okay, But I 1:30:31.520 --> 1:30:39.879 do feel like Dan Brown uses extreme misogyny in organized 1:30:39.880 --> 1:30:44.160 religion to make his misogyny look not that bad. I 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:47.040 feel like he kind of offsets it, like any time 1:30:47.560 --> 1:30:50.960 he is there's like a scene of a woman being 1:30:51.000 --> 1:30:55.040 talked over, ignored, whatever, it's you know, a crime against 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:59.400 women that is far more violent. Is like invoked almost 1:30:59.439 --> 1:31:02.320 as if to say, like, sure, I'm an asshole to women, 1:31:02.439 --> 1:31:05.880 but I wouldn't murder one in the Holy Wars. Like 1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:08.479 it's just kind of this weird equivalent. I wouldn't burn 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:14.519 a witch at the steak for free like that. It's 1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:19.679 just yeah, I think he again, I just really think 1:31:19.680 --> 1:31:23.439 he thinks he's doing something. Um when it's like a 1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:26.320 tattoo has is technically in the scene, but she hasn't 1:31:26.360 --> 1:31:32.920 had a line of dialogue in minutes. Um, it's just ridiculous. Yeah, 1:31:33.720 --> 1:31:37.360 this is just such a It's it's just like a 1:31:37.400 --> 1:31:41.760 female character who is couldn't be more important to the 1:31:41.840 --> 1:31:47.720 story and couldn't be worse written, less engaged. But I 1:31:47.720 --> 1:31:50.120 feel like it's just like whatever, it's two thousand six 1:31:50.200 --> 1:31:54.680 and having a woman physically present is like we did it, 1:31:55.120 --> 1:31:59.760 you know, Like it's just so have asked and annoying. 1:32:00.000 --> 1:32:03.320 He's just right, She's just there to basically be a 1:32:03.360 --> 1:32:06.880 big reveal, Like her function in the story is to 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:10.040 like be the twist. She's just he's just carrying around 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:15.400 Chekhov's womb, right, So, but if that is something you 1:32:15.439 --> 1:32:19.320 want to do in your story. Fine, I guess, but 1:32:19.400 --> 1:32:22.000 also you have to spend the rest of the story 1:32:22.040 --> 1:32:26.400 carefully characterizing her and not just like having her tag along. 1:32:26.760 --> 1:32:28.760 The other thing that really annoys me about it is 1:32:28.840 --> 1:32:32.760 that um they keep referring to once. They like they're like, yes, 1:32:32.840 --> 1:32:36.000 I guess, well, let's agree that the Holy Grail is 1:32:36.280 --> 1:32:39.880 a human as the sun, the heir to the air 1:32:39.920 --> 1:32:44.840 of Jesus. And they keep using he pronouns, you know, 1:32:44.920 --> 1:32:49.240 whoever this living air of Jesus, because because they just assume. 1:32:49.280 --> 1:32:50.880 But it's also I think the air they can take 1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:54.840 seriously that, but it's also I think just done to 1:32:54.960 --> 1:32:58.240 like throw you off the trail of the big twist 1:32:58.360 --> 1:33:01.160 that it's Sophie. So it feels like that thing where 1:33:01.160 --> 1:33:04.120 it's like, oh, the person who was like writing that 1:33:04.200 --> 1:33:06.800 motorcycle and had a helmet on, who you thought was 1:33:06.840 --> 1:33:10.080 a man. Oh, they took the helmet off and it's 1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:13.360 actually a woman. It feels like adjacent to that, right, 1:33:13.400 --> 1:33:18.760 and then it's like end of observation. I've gotta I've 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:21.839 got to I've got a quote. I've got a quote. Okay, 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:26.760 this is classic backdel cast citation process. This is the 1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:30.599 abstract of a paper I would have had to pay 1:33:30.640 --> 1:33:33.919 forty dollars to read, So I'm gonna go into the abstract. 1:33:34.040 --> 1:33:36.679 I would like to find this paper for not forty dollars. 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:40.559 No disrespect to its author um. This was published in 1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:45.520 two eight. It is by a professor at the University 1:33:45.520 --> 1:33:54.879 of Robert UH feminist King UH by Professor Christie Maddox, 1:33:55.640 --> 1:33:57.960 and it is called the da Vinci Code and the 1:33:58.040 --> 1:34:01.400 regressive gender politics of Celebrate Wating Women. And I really 1:34:01.720 --> 1:34:06.080 uh should read this paper because it's the abstract I 1:34:06.080 --> 1:34:10.160 feel like really concisely boils down the kind of like 1:34:10.439 --> 1:34:14.360 both nous of like them thinking they're being feminist while 1:34:14.439 --> 1:34:20.280 ignoring all female characters. So here's what Christian Maddox says. Quote. 1:34:20.439 --> 1:34:23.439 The public outcry prompted by the Da Vinci Code accused 1:34:23.439 --> 1:34:26.560 the novel of being a radical feminist text with potentially 1:34:26.640 --> 1:34:31.000 dangerous implications for Christianity. The novel celebrates women, the quote 1:34:31.080 --> 1:34:35.360 unquote sacred feminism and quote unquote goddess worship, which on 1:34:35.360 --> 1:34:38.639 one level gives it ideological kinship with the important tradition 1:34:39.000 --> 1:34:43.360 of difference or cultural feminism. This analysis, however, argues that 1:34:43.400 --> 1:34:46.759 the novel undercuts its feminist moves through its persistent recourse 1:34:46.800 --> 1:34:50.920 to the private sphere and it's unremitting celebration of the biological. 1:34:51.560 --> 1:34:54.559 The narrative falls victim to the problem that commonly inheres 1:34:54.800 --> 1:34:59.040 in different slash cultural feminism. It redefines the binary system 1:34:59.040 --> 1:35:03.639 of gender as well as resulting heterosexuality. Through these anti 1:35:03.680 --> 1:35:06.519 feminist impulses, the da Vinci Code makes plain that celebrating 1:35:06.560 --> 1:35:09.600 women does not always make for feminist progress. Instead, the 1:35:09.680 --> 1:35:13.120 da Vinci Code highlights the dangerous inherent in cultural slash 1:35:13.160 --> 1:35:17.640 difference feminism. Finally situated with its religious context, the da 1:35:17.680 --> 1:35:21.760 Vinci Code demonstrates the possibility for feminisms co optation by 1:35:21.800 --> 1:35:24.680 moral reform politics, which I think is just kind of 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:28.400 an academic way of saying like sort of what we've 1:35:28.439 --> 1:35:32.040 been circling around this whole time, which is that, you know, 1:35:33.680 --> 1:35:38.639 Dan Brown, this movie in general seems to be saying 1:35:38.680 --> 1:35:43.960 that by you know, celebrating women in any narrow, extremely 1:35:44.200 --> 1:35:48.599 sis binary way is enough of a win to call 1:35:48.680 --> 1:35:52.160 itself a feminist text, which wasn't helped by how this 1:35:52.200 --> 1:35:56.760 movie was received because it was, you know, like denounced 1:35:56.760 --> 1:35:59.600 by the Catholic Church. And I mean it's like I 1:35:59.640 --> 1:36:04.120 feel like we both kind of remember and like ever 1:36:04.160 --> 1:36:07.920 helps a movie ever like, But part of the ground 1:36:08.000 --> 1:36:11.000 that was banned on was like, well, they're deifying women 1:36:11.160 --> 1:36:16.240 and we don't do that in Catholicism, which is you know, true, right, 1:36:17.240 --> 1:36:21.240 but it resulted in this property being cast in this 1:36:21.439 --> 1:36:25.880 like radical feminist lens, in a property where there's only 1:36:25.960 --> 1:36:30.920 one female character who has nothing going on like at 1:36:30.920 --> 1:36:35.320 any point, and so um yeah, I wanted to shout 1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:38.040 out Christie Maddox. I feel like she very intelligently said 1:36:38.600 --> 1:36:42.120 something that I felt strongly watching this movie, but couldn't 1:36:42.160 --> 1:36:46.760 like get into those words. It's like, it's just it 1:36:46.920 --> 1:36:51.160 just speaks to I think this bar on the floor 1:36:51.240 --> 1:36:55.400 at this time. Well, it's it's kind of operating under 1:36:55.439 --> 1:37:00.640 the same logic that like conservative like the way that 1:37:00.720 --> 1:37:05.519 the patriarchy values women, because you'll find plenty of like 1:37:05.720 --> 1:37:10.000 misogynists people out there who are like, no, I love women, 1:37:10.439 --> 1:37:12.960 their sacred. We have to protect them because there are 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:15.760 mothers and our wives like it's and our daughters and 1:37:15.760 --> 1:37:19.000 our daughters. And it's literally like Ted Crustyle, like I 1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:22.160 have a daughter, I cannot possibly be a bad person, 1:37:22.320 --> 1:37:24.880 Like you're just like sir, right, and it's just like 1:37:24.960 --> 1:37:29.360 operating under the same logic almost like of well, women 1:37:29.400 --> 1:37:32.759 are so special to the world because they're the ones 1:37:32.800 --> 1:37:39.040 who give life and who are wombs walking wombs, which 1:37:39.080 --> 1:37:41.680 is like no disrespect to people with whoobs that you 1:37:41.680 --> 1:37:44.360 don't want to have babies with the whoops. It's just 1:37:45.160 --> 1:37:47.960 the reductive ism of of the thing that it just 1:37:48.040 --> 1:37:54.000 excludes so many people. And it's a god I mean, 1:37:55.080 --> 1:38:00.000 just like sciss men are never reduced to a biological function. 1:38:00.000 --> 1:38:05.240 And in this way ever, like to the point where 1:38:05.479 --> 1:38:12.320 as Robert Langdon is explaining male and female symbology to Sophie, 1:38:13.080 --> 1:38:16.920 he's like, the the the triangle that whatever, I don't 1:38:16.920 --> 1:38:19.639 even know what that symbol is, but like an upside 1:38:19.640 --> 1:38:23.520 down V. That's the symbol for man. It's a rudimentary 1:38:23.560 --> 1:38:28.519 fallast known as the blade represents aggression and manhood. And 1:38:28.560 --> 1:38:31.920 then he's like, as you might imagine, the exact opposite 1:38:32.200 --> 1:38:35.240 of that is the female symbol, as if male and 1:38:35.439 --> 1:38:39.080 female are opposite things like that, I mean, I think, 1:38:39.520 --> 1:38:42.040 I guess, not in defense of him, but like I 1:38:42.040 --> 1:38:45.160 I do understand, like that is like a historical like 1:38:45.240 --> 1:38:47.559 that is like a symbolic thing that's existed for a 1:38:47.600 --> 1:38:49.880 long time, but he just presents it as kind of 1:38:49.920 --> 1:38:53.479 like this is a fact, right, I mean, which I 1:38:53.479 --> 1:38:56.360 think is is extremely of the time. It's like in 1:38:56.439 --> 1:38:58.800 two thousand six, there I don't think they're I mean, 1:38:58.800 --> 1:39:04.040 there really wasn't much conversation in depth in the mainstream 1:39:04.160 --> 1:39:11.480 about challenging gender roles and like the sis binary gender 1:39:12.040 --> 1:39:14.519 dynamic in in really any way. And I feel like 1:39:14.600 --> 1:39:17.960 that scenes like that, really it takes like an ancient 1:39:18.080 --> 1:39:22.879 symbol and obviously the further you go back, the worst 1:39:22.960 --> 1:39:26.479 gender politics grow, like, but it's still presenting it in 1:39:26.600 --> 1:39:29.559 a very matter of fact way of like, well, of 1:39:29.640 --> 1:39:35.800 course this is boy and this is the it resembles 1:39:36.120 --> 1:39:39.759 the shape of a woman's womb, and it's like, why, 1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:42.920 why is this the way you're presenting this information. I mean, 1:39:42.960 --> 1:39:46.160 it's like it's it isn't surprising and like I didn't 1:39:46.200 --> 1:39:51.280 expect better of this movie, but it's yeah, it's it's 1:39:51.360 --> 1:39:56.200 just like it's an extremely of its time movie that 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:59.200 like the fact that that is like a very matter 1:39:59.240 --> 1:40:01.600 of fact line dialogue delivered in a movie that is 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:05.320 supposedly progressive on gender politics is like, well, that's all 1:40:05.360 --> 1:40:08.240 you need to know, right, I wanted to go. We 1:40:08.280 --> 1:40:11.520 touched on this also a little bit about like the 1:40:11.600 --> 1:40:15.479 lack of romantic subplot in the story that like it 1:40:15.560 --> 1:40:18.920 almost seems like, well, maybe it was going to be there, 1:40:19.000 --> 1:40:21.400 but then and then it's just not. I think they 1:40:21.520 --> 1:40:23.880 wanted us to do a will there, won't they? But 1:40:24.640 --> 1:40:28.679 but I can't. I cannot think of a single were 1:40:28.960 --> 1:40:34.400 we really was anyone in the audience like kids, like right, 1:40:34.560 --> 1:40:38.639 I wasn't feeling that. I appreciate that they didn't force 1:40:39.080 --> 1:40:43.439 any kind of like romantic subplot. Although there's this one moment. 1:40:44.400 --> 1:40:47.160 It's the scene where Lee he's like holding them at 1:40:47.200 --> 1:40:51.439 gunpoint and he's threatening to kill Robert Langdon, and he's 1:40:51.439 --> 1:40:53.920 talking to Sophie and he's like, oh, by the way 1:40:53.960 --> 1:40:57.120 that you've been looking at your hero, you wouldn't let 1:40:57.240 --> 1:41:00.439 him die, would you? And I'm like, is the aplication 1:41:00.479 --> 1:41:03.800 there that like she is romantically interested in him and 1:41:03.840 --> 1:41:07.960 he's sort of like using Langdon as leverage to get 1:41:08.040 --> 1:41:10.760 what he wants, because he thinks that Sophie's in love 1:41:10.880 --> 1:41:15.280 with him. Huh. And I was like, what is what? 1:41:15.840 --> 1:41:21.960 Why is that there? I It's just like I don't 1:41:22.720 --> 1:41:25.080 I don't want to think about it. I don't. I 1:41:25.920 --> 1:41:28.600 you you you, and the fact that we are like 1:41:29.080 --> 1:41:34.599 to I mean, yeah, it's again, it's just maybe so tired, 1:41:34.720 --> 1:41:37.559 Kaitlin that you can think about like, first of all, 1:41:37.680 --> 1:41:42.360 impossible to root for it because it's like even large 1:41:42.479 --> 1:41:45.639 age gap aside, which is another like trophy tropy trophy 1:41:45.760 --> 1:41:53.080 element of this genre, specifically action genre loves an enormous 1:41:53.160 --> 1:41:55.120 age gap. And that is not too I want to 1:41:55.200 --> 1:41:58.200 be a little clearer on that, because I feel like 1:41:58.280 --> 1:42:00.760 there is just kind of like a general feeling that 1:42:01.040 --> 1:42:05.560 any age gap is not okay, that is not you 1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:08.559 know that that's that's not true. I mean, there's many 1:42:08.840 --> 1:42:11.680 relationships in which an age gap is present and the 1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:14.800 relationship is perfectly healthy and it's fine. And like, I 1:42:15.120 --> 1:42:18.280 don't mean to like cast that net so widely as 1:42:18.320 --> 1:42:21.720 I think we have in the past. I just I 1:42:21.880 --> 1:42:24.800 just think that it is in this case, I think 1:42:24.840 --> 1:42:28.320 pretty clearly done because of the value that a woman's 1:42:28.479 --> 1:42:32.160 youth has on screen and how that is not as 1:42:32.240 --> 1:42:34.599 much of an issue when it comes to assist male actor, 1:42:34.800 --> 1:42:37.639 and that is I think, you know, a huge reason 1:42:37.680 --> 1:42:40.840 why we see those age gaps present is because even 1:42:40.920 --> 1:42:43.599 in two thousand six, it was only acceptable to see 1:42:43.720 --> 1:42:48.479 a female lead in an action movie. You know, you 1:42:48.640 --> 1:42:51.040 cannot crust the age of forty or all of a 1:42:51.120 --> 1:42:54.320 sudden you need to be an Oscar winner or extremely famous, 1:42:54.520 --> 1:42:57.439 or we have a problem, and like there's just kind 1:42:57.479 --> 1:43:00.439 of this unspoken set of rules. And then on top 1:43:00.520 --> 1:43:03.800 of that, if you're Tom Hanks and Audrey Tattoo and 1:43:03.920 --> 1:43:08.519 you have no chemistry, and part of the reason I 1:43:08.560 --> 1:43:10.040 don't I don't even want to put that on them 1:43:10.160 --> 1:43:12.680 too much because it's because they didn't write Audrey a 1:43:12.880 --> 1:43:17.400 character like maybe there would have been some chemistry between 1:43:17.479 --> 1:43:20.479 them if she had had anything to do or say 1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:24.599 or think. Like I feel like that whole thing speaks 1:43:24.640 --> 1:43:29.600 to like a series of small issues that it's like, 1:43:29.760 --> 1:43:32.040 I mean, I think we've talked about this recently, is 1:43:32.080 --> 1:43:36.439 like we're not like completely against a romance in a movie. 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:39.719 The romance just has to like be healthy and makes sense. 1:43:40.280 --> 1:43:43.800 Like it's really like, I mean, it is kind of 1:43:43.840 --> 1:43:46.640 a high bar. Declare just speaking from experience, but like 1:43:47.120 --> 1:43:50.240 it is not an impossible thing to be rooting for 1:43:50.400 --> 1:43:54.160 a romance in a movie, even ahead or a rim romance, 1:43:54.479 --> 1:43:59.519 like it can be done. We've done it, maybe we'll 1:43:59.560 --> 1:44:02.000 do it again and we don't know. But but it's 1:44:02.080 --> 1:44:05.559 just the way that this is set up is like God, 1:44:05.600 --> 1:44:08.120 I mean, it's impossible to root for because we're just 1:44:08.240 --> 1:44:13.160 given nothing. We're given Tom Hanks and the expectation that 1:44:13.280 --> 1:44:16.160 we want Tom Hanks to fuck and it's like I'm 1:44:16.240 --> 1:44:19.920 just not really there, like he you know, he can 1:44:20.280 --> 1:44:24.400 mind his business, and but it's yeah, okay, that was 1:44:24.560 --> 1:44:27.120 my Jamie's a little ran no please. And to just 1:44:27.280 --> 1:44:30.800 add to that the age gap thing. Another component of 1:44:31.240 --> 1:44:34.600 how it can become problematic is when there's like a 1:44:35.280 --> 1:44:40.719 series where we see the same male star aging James 1:44:40.800 --> 1:44:44.800 Bond syndrome, yeah, and then the female lead cast alongside 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:48.760 him is usually different. In every movie, it's literally McConaughey ship, 1:44:49.000 --> 1:44:52.759 like they stay the same age and he stops getting 1:44:52.800 --> 1:44:55.759 over there like exactly. Yeah. We've talked about that before 1:44:55.800 --> 1:44:59.200 on different episodes. But and it's I mean, with let 1:44:59.280 --> 1:45:01.080 me look up, what the hell is this movie called. 1:45:01.120 --> 1:45:06.120 It's Felicity. It's Felicity Jones, who is younger. So it's 1:45:06.320 --> 1:45:11.160 not Zoe Deschanel got it similar haircut. I think you 1:45:11.240 --> 1:45:13.240 were you were tricked by the haircut, because she does 1:45:13.320 --> 1:45:17.040 have bangs in this movie. But it's Felicity Jones, who 1:45:17.240 --> 1:45:20.479 is I think almost ten years younger than Audrey Tattoo. 1:45:21.320 --> 1:45:23.519 Um because the movie came out ten years later, so 1:45:23.760 --> 1:45:26.640 they legally need to be thirty five. No matter what, 1:45:27.439 --> 1:45:30.800 even if there isn't a actual romantic subplot in a 1:45:30.920 --> 1:45:34.640 movie like this, it's still framed as like, look at 1:45:34.720 --> 1:45:39.160 these two people doing action scenes together, and they're spending 1:45:39.160 --> 1:45:42.759 a lot of time together, and they're both attractive, especially 1:45:42.840 --> 1:45:46.160 the woman that it's presented as if it is from, 1:45:46.320 --> 1:45:48.280 because if you look at the I mean even on 1:45:49.200 --> 1:45:53.240 the Da Vinci code poster on Wikipedia, I think it's 1:45:53.280 --> 1:45:57.639 pretty unambiguously like Audrey Tattoo is like afraid impressed against 1:45:57.720 --> 1:46:01.360 Tom Hanks's chest, like you are supposed to be thinking 1:46:01.600 --> 1:46:06.439 of this as a potential for romance, Like it's pretty 1:46:06.520 --> 1:46:09.760 unambiguously like that's what you're supposed to think. And even 1:46:09.840 --> 1:46:12.479 if they don't even actually like kiss or have sex 1:46:12.640 --> 1:46:16.559 or anything like that in the story, and thank god 1:46:16.640 --> 1:46:20.200 they don't. Just like the quest the adventure, the like 1:46:20.360 --> 1:46:23.479 close proximity they're in is just like yes, like presented, 1:46:23.600 --> 1:46:26.400 is this like sexy thing, the fact that she heals 1:46:26.560 --> 1:46:30.040 him with her christ like power, hears him of his 1:46:30.240 --> 1:46:33.519 fear of falling in a well again with her christ 1:46:33.680 --> 1:46:36.920 like hands, and you're like, I mean whatever, it's just 1:46:37.600 --> 1:46:39.760 it's just annoying. I just I wanted to bring up 1:46:39.760 --> 1:46:42.559 that age gap thing because I I was thinking about 1:46:43.520 --> 1:46:46.760 how Florence Pew took a ton of ship and even 1:46:46.840 --> 1:46:48.960 like I was like on the wrong side of that 1:46:49.080 --> 1:46:53.479 issue originally, where like Florence Pew is dating Zac Breath, 1:46:53.560 --> 1:46:56.880 they seem to be very happy together and people were, 1:46:57.120 --> 1:46:58.679 you know, giving them a ton of ship for their 1:46:58.720 --> 1:47:01.200 being and not in faking age gap, I guess in 1:47:01.280 --> 1:47:05.160 that relationship. And she was like, I am an adult. 1:47:05.439 --> 1:47:08.280 I'm like twenty six years old. Shut the funk up, 1:47:08.479 --> 1:47:11.559 like stay out of my life. And it's like, yeah, 1:47:11.680 --> 1:47:15.400 point take it, like live your life like it's it's 1:47:15.600 --> 1:47:20.200 just it's But in terms of like this kind of universe, 1:47:20.280 --> 1:47:22.679 I think it has I don't know, it's I feel 1:47:22.680 --> 1:47:25.400 like it's slightly it's kind of a different discussion between 1:47:25.520 --> 1:47:28.040 like people that exist in the world and are in 1:47:28.160 --> 1:47:32.720 love in the world versus a forced movie couple with 1:47:32.960 --> 1:47:39.080 absolutely no chemistry, like it's two different discussions, and we're 1:47:39.120 --> 1:47:42.639 having the movie discussion here. And because like, at least 1:47:42.680 --> 1:47:47.120 where I usually come from is like, because a woman's 1:47:47.200 --> 1:47:53.320 youth is usually valued far beyond other qualities about them. 1:47:54.200 --> 1:47:56.720 It's just something that always pings me. And we see 1:47:56.760 --> 1:48:00.560 these trends in media of age gaps that usually have 1:48:00.680 --> 1:48:05.720 the implication of demonizing a woman aging. And you know, 1:48:05.800 --> 1:48:09.559 there's the this idea that men are allowed to age, 1:48:09.840 --> 1:48:12.680 but people only want to see women on screen who 1:48:12.760 --> 1:48:17.160 were young. But again, it's worthwhile to examine this on 1:48:17.320 --> 1:48:20.320 a case by case basis rather than making any kind 1:48:20.360 --> 1:48:23.920 of sweeping generalizations about it. It's a fair I mean, 1:48:23.960 --> 1:48:26.800 it's a really complicated issue, and I will fully admit 1:48:26.920 --> 1:48:29.320 that I have like had kind of an unfair take 1:48:30.000 --> 1:48:32.840 uh in the past in some cases, in cases like this, 1:48:33.120 --> 1:48:38.800 I feel like it's kind of unambiguously like what the fuck? Uh. 1:48:39.880 --> 1:48:44.679 So you know, it's the da Vinci code. I don't 1:48:44.680 --> 1:48:49.080 know what we expected. The da Vinci code is Apple, 1:48:49.400 --> 1:48:55.960 So any question none. Um. There were a few scenes 1:48:56.040 --> 1:48:59.599 where I was like, where Sophie participates in the action 1:48:59.680 --> 1:49:02.320 that I was kind of surprised. I was like, oh, 1:49:02.600 --> 1:49:06.200 she like bashes Silas's head against the ground after he 1:49:06.439 --> 1:49:09.080 attacks them at the chateau, and then later she like 1:49:09.160 --> 1:49:11.880 picks up Lee's gun after he's been disarmed. And then 1:49:11.920 --> 1:49:14.760 I was like, all right, she does that because she's 1:49:14.760 --> 1:49:18.200 a cop, Like I forgot that. She was, like what 1:49:18.400 --> 1:49:21.960 her even background in training is because the movie cares 1:49:22.080 --> 1:49:24.720 so little about letting you know anything about her that 1:49:24.800 --> 1:49:27.479 she would like have some like combat skills and she 1:49:27.520 --> 1:49:30.439 would know how to handle a gun. But it was 1:49:30.520 --> 1:49:33.400 just like, oh, Okay, she's allowed to. She's not like 1:49:33.600 --> 1:49:36.800 fully sidelined every time. She actually does participate in some 1:49:36.920 --> 1:49:38.960 of the action. And then I was like, all right, 1:49:39.000 --> 1:49:40.560 she knows how to do that because she's like a 1:49:40.600 --> 1:49:43.439 trained police officer anyway. So I was like, well, I 1:49:43.479 --> 1:49:46.439 guess points and then points taken back away. The other 1:49:46.520 --> 1:49:49.400 thing is that like, and this is just this is 1:49:49.520 --> 1:49:53.000 probably neither here nor there, but she is wearing high 1:49:53.080 --> 1:49:56.360 heels and a pencil skirt throughout the entire movie. And 1:49:56.560 --> 1:49:58.360 if it were me and I found myself in the 1:49:58.439 --> 1:50:01.160 middle of a Grail quest, the first thing I would 1:50:01.160 --> 1:50:02.920 do is be like, hey, can we go to a 1:50:03.080 --> 1:50:06.000 store or like to my apartment so I can change 1:50:06.640 --> 1:50:12.960 into like pants and well it's comfortable cloth. I also 1:50:13.200 --> 1:50:16.160 like going back to the romance platform a second. The 1:50:16.200 --> 1:50:18.519 fact that we're supposed to like they have spent a 1:50:18.720 --> 1:50:23.000 maximum of thirty six hours together, Like I understand that 1:50:23.240 --> 1:50:25.559 a good old fashioned trauma bond, but it's not been 1:50:25.600 --> 1:50:27.680 that long. Yeah, I do. And I think that that 1:50:27.880 --> 1:50:33.120 is the problem you're describing is a Howard specific problem 1:50:33.240 --> 1:50:35.880 because was that not the exact same thing that came 1:50:35.960 --> 1:50:38.639 up with Bryce Dallas Howard when she was in those 1:50:38.760 --> 1:50:42.160 damn Jurassic Park movies. I didn't watch. Yes, that is 1:50:42.280 --> 1:50:45.400 exactly it. It was like she was wearing high heels, 1:50:45.439 --> 1:50:51.960 but she was a genius scientist running from the Jurassic Park. Yeah, Like, yeah, 1:50:52.000 --> 1:50:53.680 it is kind of a similar thing where it's like 1:50:54.760 --> 1:50:57.760 again it's it's it's frustrating to me because it's like 1:50:57.960 --> 1:51:03.080 we we know as lovers of cinema. Then Audrey Tattoo 1:51:03.200 --> 1:51:07.880 is an incredibly dynamic like character actress. She can pull 1:51:07.960 --> 1:51:09.880 off a lot of looks, she can pull off a 1:51:10.000 --> 1:51:14.240 lot of different energies. Like she's really talented and we're 1:51:14.360 --> 1:51:18.519 just thrown into like I feel bad for her watching 1:51:18.600 --> 1:51:21.920 this movie because it's just like she's just thrown into 1:51:22.000 --> 1:51:26.160 this generic ass role where it's like she's dressed generically, 1:51:26.520 --> 1:51:30.920 her character is written barely, and when it is, it's generically, 1:51:31.080 --> 1:51:33.519 and it's like, God, you were like you've been given 1:51:33.600 --> 1:51:37.800 this incredible I mean to invoke another French actress who 1:51:37.880 --> 1:51:42.200 people try to like inject into like aggro male American movies. 1:51:42.320 --> 1:51:46.719 It's like Marianne Courtyard and Inception, where you're like, here's 1:51:46.720 --> 1:51:52.200 this enormously talented actor who is like being given just 1:51:52.760 --> 1:51:58.320 wife shit to do. It's just yeah, it's just annoying, man. 1:51:58.560 --> 1:52:02.760 It's it's like, if you want to I I resent that, 1:52:03.160 --> 1:52:09.440 Like these really talented female actors are hired because they're talented, 1:52:10.200 --> 1:52:12.599 and then they're not given anything to do that would 1:52:12.880 --> 1:52:15.400 showcase that talent in any way. It ends up making 1:52:15.560 --> 1:52:19.240 them look bad. And that's like just not fair, Like 1:52:19.400 --> 1:52:22.479 that's such an unfair exchange to have to make. But 1:52:22.600 --> 1:52:25.519 it does feel like very often with like and this 1:52:25.720 --> 1:52:28.880 is again, this is changing over time, and it is 1:52:29.320 --> 1:52:34.439 more significant in marginalized communities. And but this exchange of 1:52:34.600 --> 1:52:37.760 like to go from like being an indie darling to 1:52:37.840 --> 1:52:40.439 being a mainstream star means that you need to kind 1:52:40.439 --> 1:52:45.200 of like sacrifice everything about yourself that was interesting and 1:52:45.360 --> 1:52:49.280 showed like that you were like this, you know, dynamic actor. 1:52:49.560 --> 1:52:53.599 Like it's just when that isn't true for for most 1:52:53.720 --> 1:52:56.040 sis male actors. They're allowed to, you know, take the 1:52:56.160 --> 1:52:59.360 charisma that made them successful and carry it into the 1:52:59.400 --> 1:53:03.320 mainstream because that fucking makes sense. Like why would you 1:53:03.560 --> 1:53:08.280 hire a really interesting, talented actor and then give them 1:53:08.479 --> 1:53:10.679 I just don't get it. It's like, in that case, 1:53:10.760 --> 1:53:13.840 then hire fucking anybody, Hire someone who sucks it acting. 1:53:13.880 --> 1:53:17.120 You wouldn't even know the difference, you know, like it's 1:53:17.200 --> 1:53:22.160 just weird. Hire me, I suck at acting, and yeah, 1:53:22.320 --> 1:53:24.559 but I wouldn't. You would never know because I wouldn't 1:53:24.560 --> 1:53:26.759 have to say anything. But can you wear a shoe? 1:53:27.280 --> 1:53:29.360 Like that's all used that to be able to like 1:53:29.800 --> 1:53:33.680 talk at Tom Hanks and just be like, what, No, 1:53:34.400 --> 1:53:38.960 that can't be. It couldn't be. Like it's any any 1:53:39.280 --> 1:53:41.479 you know, human person who could say it couldn't be 1:53:41.560 --> 1:53:43.960 could have played that role. So it's it's extra shitty 1:53:44.120 --> 1:53:47.479 that it took a very talented actor who deserved a 1:53:47.680 --> 1:53:55.000 meteor mainstream role and was given nothing well but anything else. 1:53:55.600 --> 1:54:03.000 I think I've said everything that the Vinci code was ultimately, 1:54:03.640 --> 1:54:06.519 did this movie pass the excelsas I honestly, I'm going 1:54:06.560 --> 1:54:09.599 to guess no. I don't think so. I didn't forget 1:54:09.640 --> 1:54:15.160 to pay because the only other female characters who we 1:54:15.280 --> 1:54:20.760 see are like the occasional none or are there any? 1:54:21.120 --> 1:54:24.840 I really don't the fact that we're talking about women 1:54:24.880 --> 1:54:29.040 this entire movie, barely any appear. Yeah. I do not 1:54:29.360 --> 1:54:34.720 believe that this passes the Bectel test. It's what a 1:54:35.000 --> 1:54:37.760 what a stinker? Wait, I just I just googled that 1:54:37.920 --> 1:54:41.360 this is funny. Okay, So there is this website that 1:54:41.440 --> 1:54:44.040 I don't think we've ever directly cited, even though it's 1:54:44.600 --> 1:54:47.320 hilariously perfect thing for us to talk about. It's Bectel 1:54:47.360 --> 1:54:51.560 test dot com. Uh, and it's it's a pretty I 1:54:51.600 --> 1:54:53.560 think it's kind of an old website. It looks kind 1:54:53.560 --> 1:54:56.440 of html E and then it just you can just 1:54:56.560 --> 1:54:58.320 look up the name of a movie and then people 1:54:58.640 --> 1:55:01.000 will comment whether you think it passed the Back to 1:55:01.160 --> 1:55:04.879 Tis by our Magic. I do not think it passes. 1:55:05.520 --> 1:55:10.680 But here are the three comments. Dr space Goat said this. 1:55:11.840 --> 1:55:15.960 Dr space Goat said it passes. Sophie and Sister San 1:55:16.120 --> 1:55:18.880 Dreen the letter of which is killed off in the 1:55:19.000 --> 1:55:21.800 third of the first third of the movie, and I'm like, well, 1:55:21.960 --> 1:55:24.240 I don't know whose sister Sandrin is, so that's a no. 1:55:24.520 --> 1:55:27.600 And maybe she was credited on IMDb. I didn't hear 1:55:27.720 --> 1:55:30.880 that name spoken. But I don't think she and Sophie 1:55:30.920 --> 1:55:33.400 even do they talk to each other. She's I think 1:55:33.480 --> 1:55:37.840 she's the nun who gets killed by Silas. Uh. See 1:55:37.880 --> 1:55:39.880 the fact that we even have this question is I mean, 1:55:40.000 --> 1:55:42.720 maybe it's another nun. Does she talk to a different nun? 1:55:43.240 --> 1:55:47.200 Sophie does talk to her grandma, who is maybe not 1:55:47.400 --> 1:55:50.360 actually her grandma, and she's like, I'm your grandma, So 1:55:50.920 --> 1:55:54.720 does I don't know? Okay, So Larissa five six five 1:55:54.800 --> 1:55:59.000 six had something to say about that. Larissa says the 1:55:59.080 --> 1:56:02.760 grandmother doesn't count as a named character. While book readers 1:56:02.800 --> 1:56:06.280 will recognize her as Marie Chauvel, she doesn't say this 1:56:06.440 --> 1:56:09.640 in the movie, and it's credited only as elegant woman 1:56:09.800 --> 1:56:13.640 at ross Lynn in the film's credits, So I'm gonna 1:56:13.680 --> 1:56:17.160 say that doesn't count. Wow. So you know, there's a 1:56:17.200 --> 1:56:19.600 little and then there's a guy named Greg who threw 1:56:19.720 --> 1:56:22.400 his hat into the ring and said it did pass. 1:56:22.640 --> 1:56:27.760 But Okay, this is fun. Greg says Sophie and her 1:56:27.800 --> 1:56:30.440 grandmother have a conversation. In the end, it is about 1:56:30.560 --> 1:56:33.400 giving her up to Jacques Sonyer, I don't think that 1:56:33.600 --> 1:56:36.000 is really about a man. And it's like, Greg, do 1:56:36.080 --> 1:56:39.760 you hear yourself when you talk? Um? So, I'm gonna say, 1:56:39.920 --> 1:56:42.560 based on Bechtel test dot com, I can't think of 1:56:42.600 --> 1:56:47.839 about a resource. Uh doesn't pass. I guess that's Sophie 1:56:47.880 --> 1:56:50.680 does talk to someone who identifies as her grandmother, but 1:56:50.880 --> 1:56:53.840 we only know as elegant woman at ross Lynn. Well, 1:56:53.920 --> 1:56:58.360 if we're going by my new caveat that I'm going 1:56:58.480 --> 1:57:02.520 to add into the mix from now on, which is 1:57:02.840 --> 1:57:07.120 does the interaction between women is it meaningful to the story? 1:57:07.560 --> 1:57:09.920 Could it be taken out and the story would be 1:57:10.240 --> 1:57:13.160 or feel no different? And in this case, you could 1:57:13.200 --> 1:57:17.240 take Sophie. You could take Sophia. She could be The 1:57:17.360 --> 1:57:21.960 thing is like, ultimately Sophie could exist in the narrative 1:57:22.120 --> 1:57:26.880 and be off screen the entire movie period, and that 1:57:27.040 --> 1:57:29.600 does not bode well. Like they could be like, there's 1:57:29.640 --> 1:57:33.680 this woman named Sophie, she's Jesus's niece. I've never met her, 1:57:34.000 --> 1:57:37.400 and the movie could basically play out the same way. Yeah, 1:57:37.560 --> 1:57:40.120 more or less outside of one or two buks on 1:57:40.200 --> 1:57:44.280 the head. So uh, this for me is a no 1:57:44.960 --> 1:57:50.320 as far as passing the test um. It's also a 1:57:50.400 --> 1:57:55.600 painfully white movie. Absolutely yes. So um, this movie sucks 1:57:55.920 --> 1:58:00.640 and I would give it. I guess, like I don't 1:58:01.160 --> 1:58:05.040 half nipples, zero nipples. I don't know, does it deserve anything. 1:58:05.480 --> 1:58:08.760 I'm giving a zero. I'm giving a zero for Hubris 1:58:09.160 --> 1:58:11.520 because it really thinks it's doing a lot and it's 1:58:11.760 --> 1:58:15.640 it's just not I'll say I love the first at 1:58:15.720 --> 1:58:20.480 last twenty minutes of this movie are just hilarious. They're 1:58:20.600 --> 1:58:23.320 so funny. There's so much going on. You have no 1:58:23.560 --> 1:58:26.040 idea what's going on, and it's just like happening at 1:58:26.120 --> 1:58:31.120 you and you're like, like, it's it's very it's a 1:58:31.240 --> 1:58:34.320 very engaging experience because you're just like, why are they 1:58:34.440 --> 1:58:37.120 yelling at me? And they're they're like, I've got it, 1:58:37.320 --> 1:58:42.040 Moon Sun Star Isaac Newton, Like it's just it's really 1:58:42.520 --> 1:58:45.200 funny on that like it's it's hilarious, but it is. 1:58:45.400 --> 1:58:49.280 It's not doing anything for anybody. It's just it's just 1:58:49.360 --> 1:58:52.480 a bunch of bullshit, you know whatever. Some guy that 1:58:52.760 --> 1:58:55.800 has like a christ complex made a million dollars off 1:58:55.880 --> 1:58:58.040 of it, and now we can watch his masterclass. But 1:58:58.200 --> 1:59:02.240 it's just it's no nipple. What it what? What? It's 1:59:02.320 --> 1:59:08.960 like the most reductive interpretation of women period that excludes 1:59:09.360 --> 1:59:13.720 a great many women. It's it's like defining womanhood in 1:59:13.800 --> 1:59:17.080 a very disingenuous way, which is having a womb and 1:59:17.160 --> 1:59:21.640 being married to Jesus. Well, guess what that's that's a 1:59:21.840 --> 1:59:27.880 really weird bar to clear. Well, as someone who identifies 1:59:28.040 --> 1:59:32.360 as a womb first and second as Jesus is his wife, 1:59:32.600 --> 1:59:36.080 I take offense to that. Jamie, Well, honestly, you are 1:59:36.160 --> 1:59:40.440 the target demo. It's just a disaster. Like it's It's 1:59:40.520 --> 1:59:44.760 just it's reductive in so many ways. It's ablest. It's 1:59:44.760 --> 1:59:48.480 all white people. Really. I mean, if if I had 1:59:48.520 --> 1:59:52.920 a nipple, I would give it to that hilarious Tom Hanks, 1:59:53.880 --> 1:59:57.680 Moon Sermons, Charmed, Demon Sermons, Muggs, Rank Rocks, Madonna of 1:59:57.720 --> 2:00:00.800 the Rocks, Da Vinci. That should be on the A 2:00:01.000 --> 2:00:04.320 five Best movie lines list. But outside of that, I 2:00:04.440 --> 2:00:08.160 just I just even if this movie is attempting to 2:00:08.400 --> 2:00:12.360 and I think it is attempting to with some success, 2:00:12.400 --> 2:00:16.320 in a very narrow amount of time attempting to include 2:00:17.160 --> 2:00:21.000 women at a fundamental level in Christianity, which is not 2:00:21.240 --> 2:00:25.720 an insignificant attempt, right, Like that is that's not the 2:00:25.800 --> 2:00:28.080 worst thing I've ever heard of. Sure, let's get women 2:00:28.120 --> 2:00:31.120 in there, let's throw a girl boss into Christianity, see 2:00:31.160 --> 2:00:34.800 what happens. But but ultimately, I just I'm just kind 2:00:34.840 --> 2:00:38.920 of like rolling my eyes at like how much this 2:00:39.080 --> 2:00:42.440 movie thinks it's doing versus what it's actually doing, which 2:00:42.520 --> 2:00:48.040 is being really long and boring. Zero nipples. Yes, but 2:00:48.160 --> 2:00:51.880 shout out to Alfred Molina, a character who I also 2:00:51.960 --> 2:00:53.600 I think could be taken out of the movie and 2:00:53.640 --> 2:00:56.040 the movie would really be not that much different. But 2:00:56.160 --> 2:00:59.320 we're so glad that he's there. We're thrilled he's there. 2:00:59.400 --> 2:01:02.640 He's really um he's I mean, he's great in the 2:01:02.680 --> 2:01:05.080 scenes he's in I don't know what he's sucking talking about. 2:01:05.720 --> 2:01:08.400 Like every time they brought up the name of his cult, 2:01:08.480 --> 2:01:10.800 they're like opus day and I was like, what is that? 2:01:11.040 --> 2:01:14.040 Is that like a computer but it's a group? Uh. 2:01:14.400 --> 2:01:16.960 I have no idea what he's talking about at any point, 2:01:17.960 --> 2:01:22.920 but I did love to see him, So this is weird. 2:01:23.000 --> 2:01:26.080 This is like, I mean, speaking to life of a 2:01:26.240 --> 2:01:29.800 character actor, much like Alfred Mallina is an iconic character actor. 2:01:30.240 --> 2:01:33.800 But he's in both movies we've covered this week. Uh 2:01:34.320 --> 2:01:37.760 really not that much at all, very minimally in pretty 2:01:38.000 --> 2:01:43.520 like kind of villainous, antagonistic roles. Let Alfred Molina play 2:01:43.600 --> 2:01:47.840 the lead? Why didn't he play the lead? More? Come on? 2:01:48.400 --> 2:01:53.200 And Dad thinks he's nice? Well? Um tuned back in 2:01:53.520 --> 2:01:58.120 at some point down the road for March Fred Molina 2:01:58.400 --> 2:02:02.640 Part two, in which will cover an education as well 2:02:02.800 --> 2:02:07.800 as species. I insist I want to see Alfred willing 2:02:07.880 --> 2:02:10.800 to have sex with an alien. So no pushback here. 2:02:10.920 --> 2:02:13.280 It's on. It's on Hulu. It's it's quite excited it's 2:02:13.320 --> 2:02:17.040 on Hulu. Are there no? Oh yeah, Oh. I thought 2:02:17.040 --> 2:02:20.280 you're like, oh yeah, there's a ton of vestors. There's nothing, 2:02:20.400 --> 2:02:25.520 but okay, I'll watch it. I'm excited, but I think 2:02:25.680 --> 2:02:28.440 as it stands, Um, first of all, to everyone, for 2:02:28.560 --> 2:02:31.440 to all over four hundred of you who voted for 2:02:31.680 --> 2:02:34.880 the Da Vinci code, I hope you're happy. I don't 2:02:34.880 --> 2:02:38.240 know what you wanted or what you expected. We basically 2:02:38.320 --> 2:02:41.920 included the Da Vinci choked, the Da Vinci chode Okay, 2:02:42.400 --> 2:02:46.480 I've had two glasses of wine and I'm the division. 2:02:47.600 --> 2:03:00.280 That's what our reboot is called. It's called The Boy. 2:03:01.040 --> 2:03:03.200 I would say, you know, I don't know what you 2:03:03.480 --> 2:03:06.160 what what this little joke was that you were playing. 2:03:06.640 --> 2:03:11.600 But us, it feels like the Matrons are pranking us 2:03:11.760 --> 2:03:15.839 by voting for I think I think that the Matron's 2:03:16.040 --> 2:03:18.600 historically like a movie that it seems like we'll have 2:03:18.880 --> 2:03:21.240 nothing to say about, and then we always have two 2:03:21.320 --> 2:03:24.600 hours worth of more hours worth of things to say. 2:03:24.960 --> 2:03:27.160 My little theorious people don't come to the Matreon for 2:03:27.280 --> 2:03:33.200 productive discussion. Sound off of the comments if you agree 2:03:33.360 --> 2:03:36.560 that this is where we drink wine and get confused. 2:03:37.440 --> 2:03:41.920 Uh this yeah, this movie is trash. What I think 2:03:42.040 --> 2:03:45.520 is going to be really fun is that guaranteed? Like 2:03:46.280 --> 2:03:49.080 maybe if the if the world doesn't burnt to a 2:03:49.160 --> 2:03:52.040 crisp in ten years, um, I will watch the Da 2:03:52.080 --> 2:03:55.920 Vinci Code again in ten years and have no recollection 2:03:56.080 --> 2:03:58.960 of anything. And this is just kind of like a 2:03:59.080 --> 2:04:03.480 once a decade they weekend experience, UM, where we're like, wait, 2:04:03.560 --> 2:04:06.760 the Da Vinci Code is Apple, That's what the fuck? 2:04:07.200 --> 2:04:09.280 And we can just have this. I think in that 2:04:09.400 --> 2:04:11.960 way it was all worth it because we just get 2:04:12.040 --> 2:04:17.640 to have this gorgeous experience of realizing that that we've 2:04:17.680 --> 2:04:21.160 been watching this long ass movie for the worst twist 2:04:21.240 --> 2:04:24.640 of all time. I'm tempted to because even though I've 2:04:24.680 --> 2:04:27.520 read the book Angels and Demons, I simply don't remember 2:04:27.560 --> 2:04:29.920 anything about it. So now I'm tempted to watch that 2:04:30.160 --> 2:04:35.360 movie and just have a similar experience Angels and Demons, April. 2:04:39.040 --> 2:04:40.760 They don't want it. They don't want to. You know, 2:04:40.840 --> 2:04:43.800 what what if we what if we punish the if 2:04:43.840 --> 2:04:46.920 we punish the Matreon by being like, oh, you wanted 2:04:46.960 --> 2:04:53.400 the Da Vinci code, Well, now we're doing an I 2:04:53.480 --> 2:04:57.320 hope you thought that little joke was funny everybody, because 2:04:57.520 --> 2:05:00.480 we're never going to stop talking about the Robert Langdon universe. 2:05:00.920 --> 2:05:05.360 Oh my god, Robert Langdon is the most basic name 2:05:05.840 --> 2:05:10.160 for a man. There. Robert Langdon study was like just 2:05:10.480 --> 2:05:17.760 absolutely going off. Um, well, thanks for tuning in Matrons 2:05:18.160 --> 2:05:21.520 to Alfred marsh Lena. We love you. We resent you 2:05:21.680 --> 2:05:26.160 for this one, but we love you. I'm gonna go 2:05:26.560 --> 2:05:29.760 guess what I'm about to do, Jamie read every word 2:05:29.800 --> 2:05:35.040 of Angels and Demons without pea breaks. I'm gonna sit 2:05:35.080 --> 2:05:39.480 in the bathtub for eight hours. I literally got sick. 2:05:39.560 --> 2:05:42.480 My mom was so mad at me, It's like, why 2:05:42.560 --> 2:05:45.720 are you sneezing? Was like, I didn't leave the baths 2:05:45.800 --> 2:05:48.240 up until I finished the Da Vinci. It was like 2:05:48.760 --> 2:05:51.360 the most two thousand four interaction I've ever had. That's 2:05:51.360 --> 2:05:54.560 impressive that you read in eight hours. I don't know. 2:05:54.640 --> 2:05:57.400 I think I read like I finished it. I probably 2:05:57.520 --> 2:06:00.280 came in with it like whatever, a percentage the way 2:06:00.720 --> 2:06:05.560 and then refuse to leave until I had full on pneumonia, 2:06:06.320 --> 2:06:10.280 like well, I'm gonna I'm about to suffer the same fate. 2:06:10.560 --> 2:06:12.360 So but I want what I'm going to read it 2:06:13.880 --> 2:06:16.720 I was going to say is that I'm gonna go 2:06:16.840 --> 2:06:22.040 eat an apple. It's better feel really symbolic. I want 2:06:22.120 --> 2:06:26.920 you to think of my womb when you you're rosy, 2:06:27.080 --> 2:06:33.320 fleshy womb, my rosy fleshy, fertile Jesus womb full of seeds. 2:06:33.640 --> 2:06:35.240 And then I want you to run. I want you 2:06:35.280 --> 2:06:37.440 to sprint. I don't want you to take a bus 2:06:37.880 --> 2:06:39.880 or an uber or I don't want you to drive. 2:06:40.040 --> 2:06:44.240 I want you to run to the louver and neil 2:06:44.440 --> 2:06:47.760 at the loom and think of my fertile womb, because 2:06:47.920 --> 2:06:51.480 that is what it's all about. That is the real apple, 2:06:52.120 --> 2:06:56.840 the sacred feminine. Honestly, I feel like, ultimately you can 2:06:56.880 --> 2:06:59.440 get all the same story beats out of I Frankenstein 2:06:59.560 --> 2:07:03.080 and it's more fun to watch, Like the Holy Wars are. 2:07:03.240 --> 2:07:07.560 Literally it's just like the battle between demons and gargoyles. 2:07:07.680 --> 2:07:11.600 It's the same. It's all the same, and I Frankenstein 2:07:11.760 --> 2:07:14.240 is a more fun movie to watch. Justice for I 2:07:14.400 --> 2:07:22.440 Frankenstein fingers crossed for this year's Oscars, Oh gosh, Well, 2:07:22.720 --> 2:07:24.760 all right, I if I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go 2:07:25.000 --> 2:07:31.879 laid down, lie down. I don't know. Okay, thanks everyone, 2:07:32.000 --> 2:07:32.480 Bye bye,