Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome episode number twelve the Hunting Collective. I've
Speaker 1: been O'Brien and today we are joined by Fred Eichler.
Speaker 1: Fred Eichler has been in the outdoor industry for quite
Speaker 1: a while, twenty seven years to be exact. He's an outfitter,
Speaker 1: he's a TV show host, he's a writer, a photographer,
Speaker 1: a man of many talents. And not only that man,
Speaker 1: he is a fun dude to hang around with. And
Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of turkey hunting at Full Draw
Speaker 1: Outfitters in near Aguilar, or Colorado, where he's based at
Speaker 1: the base of the Spanish Peaks of beautiful range that
Speaker 1: runs through that part of the world. And you know,
Speaker 1: to say that his properties and ranches are impressive with
Speaker 1: me an understatement, and the place he lives, the lifestyle
Speaker 1: he lives, his family um is impressive. And I enjoyed
Speaker 1: hanging out with him. And we killed a turkey on Saturday.
Speaker 1: Cool story, what you'll hear about. And we went on
Speaker 1: what he calls a game drive. And the game drive
Speaker 1: was just riding around the truck looking for animals. So
Speaker 1: at the tail end of our game drive, we hopped
Speaker 1: on the microphones and did a podcast. It's a little impromptu,
Speaker 1: a little crazy, a little all over the place, but
Speaker 1: in an awesome conversation nonetheless. So without further ado, Episode
Speaker 1: number twelve, Fred Eichler, we live. Where are we at? Fred?
Speaker 1: And I always like to ask people when we're doing this,
Speaker 1: where where we are? To describe our surroundings. Well, we're
Speaker 1: in southern Colorado. Uh, we're actually on the back of
Speaker 1: our ranch. Um, and uh, beautiful country. We're in kind
Speaker 1: of ponderosa spruce. Um, we're gonna drop it down into
Speaker 1: some more sage and cedars in juniper country. But uh,
Speaker 1: that's whe're at southern called right on north of Trinidad
Speaker 1: and the south of Pueblo. Yeah, we're driving. We're in
Speaker 1: the truck and we're moving. We're driving through beautiful valley
Speaker 1: where like the Spanish peaks are right to our the
Speaker 1: tailgate of our truck. And uh, Fred's house and it's
Speaker 1: beautiful family and garden and horses and goats and chickens
Speaker 1: and dogs. It's quite another pigs and then so I
Speaker 1: didn't see a pig, but no, well I am considered
Speaker 1: one of the but the local swan. But yeah, my
Speaker 1: wife says, I eat it all but uh yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not We're not lacking. We're not dog poor as you
Speaker 1: can see. And and uh yeah, the the animals are
Speaker 1: a big, big part of what we do, whether it's
Speaker 1: kettle or horses or like you said, the chickens, chicken
Speaker 1: eggs and chickens all good. How long have you had
Speaker 1: this ranch? I mean you have a series of properties,
Speaker 1: but how long specifically on this You know, we've leased
Speaker 1: this one for coming up on twenty years. Um, we've
Speaker 1: owned it for about third teen fourteen years and uh
Speaker 1: been a blast. Uh, you know, a lot of work.
Speaker 1: The couple we got it from, their their biggest thing
Speaker 1: was that they wanted to see it. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: see it continue to be a working, a working ranch.
Speaker 1: So I did a lot of work in the fences.
Speaker 1: Um they were getting up in age and and just
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't didn't want to do some of
Speaker 1: the work that you know, really it entails, you know,
Speaker 1: running a ranch. So that's what we've done. You know,
Speaker 1: we we've continued to work the we worked around. We
Speaker 1: do a little farming, run a few cows, um of
Speaker 1: course round the outfitting business, which is a big part
Speaker 1: of what we do. And you know, The beautiful thing
Speaker 1: for us is, like you saw this morning, we've done
Speaker 1: a lot of things to help improve the habitat, whether
Speaker 1: that's playing on file ful fields, oape fields, wheat fields,
Speaker 1: um in some cases corn farther east. But we do
Speaker 1: a lot of things to try and draw in a
Speaker 1: lot of different game and make it a place where
Speaker 1: where you can really enjoy like a game drive that
Speaker 1: we this morning. Yeah, it's a whole different version of
Speaker 1: a game driving than the one in like south east Louisiana,
Speaker 1: or they chase the deer around shooting with rifles. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: driving around on the road we're on right now, and
Speaker 1: this is just a kind of a ranch road. It
Speaker 1: looks like a county road, but I mean it's a
Speaker 1: ranch road that cuts through the middle of this valley. Um.
Speaker 1: And we saw turkeys, many many turkeys. We saw mule deer,
Speaker 1: we saw white tailed deer, we saw elk. I mean
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. That's that's four And we've been driving
Speaker 1: around since you know, five this morning. It's ten thirty
Speaker 1: and we've seen all those and not just one here
Speaker 1: or they're piles of them, piles of them over the place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, what a place. What a place to live.
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about we haven't same black bears.
Speaker 1: Not quite. Yeah, late enough in the year for the
Speaker 1: spring is not far enough along for that just yet.
Speaker 1: But you said here, in a couple of weeks, they'll
Speaker 1: be in every field and every hillside, they'll be a
Speaker 1: bear black bear. And I love that you were just
Speaker 1: as passionate you get up this morning and go take
Speaker 1: a game drive. You know. I was like, hey, you've
Speaker 1: already got this beautiful bird, let's go take a drive.
Speaker 1: And uh, let's get up early. And some guys are like,
Speaker 1: no way, I'm sleeping in. You were like, heck, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'll be up at five. I'll be ready to let's go.
Speaker 1: And I have a honey bun get to work totally.
Speaker 1: The other thing we were talking about is just you know,
Speaker 1: I work in a corporate environment some of the time,
Speaker 1: you know, most the ball in my life spent working
Speaker 1: at nine to five. And I get to do this
Speaker 1: more than almost a lot of folks that have that
Speaker 1: situation for their jobs. But like just the feeling of
Speaker 1: getting up and in the first fifteen minutes of your
Speaker 1: day getting you know, fresh mountain there and nature and
Speaker 1: animals and sunlight like that makes you feel better, I
Speaker 1: got I'm not sure what circadian rhythms are, like, what
Speaker 1: fancy words you would use for that for in psychology,
Speaker 1: but it makes you feel better. You just feel better,
Speaker 1: happier person. We were talking about ranchers we run into.
Speaker 1: They're all just the happiest people you've ever man, And
Speaker 1: that's not always a case. You meet somebody you know
Speaker 1: in the city, and I have nothing against cities, They're fine.
Speaker 1: But in this case, man, this is a happy place
Speaker 1: to be. I think, Oh, I love it. It's uh,
Speaker 1: definitely different than when you when you're go into town.
Speaker 1: But like you said, we woke up this morning. We
Speaker 1: had birds goblin off the roost. Oh yeah, right by
Speaker 1: your right by the lodge. You know, beautiful sunrise. Who
Speaker 1: watched the sun come up with you know, snow covered
Speaker 1: mountains in the background. If anybody wants to sleep through that,
Speaker 1: what's what are you? Yeah? Would? And now it's yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like we've been up. I felt this. Man,
Speaker 1: it must be dinner time. It's ten thirty in the
Speaker 1: a m. We've been up cruising around for five hours
Speaker 1: having a good time. So yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: I think we should probably let everybody in on how
Speaker 1: the turkey hunt went down, because I came here to
Speaker 1: check out your place. We've been trying to get that
Speaker 1: together for a while. Your flight was a roadeo. I
Speaker 1: flew out of Austin, flight, got canceled out of Austin,
Speaker 1: finally got on a plane to Denver, got to Denver, snowstorm, snowstorm.
Speaker 1: Flight went out of Denver on time. What we got
Speaker 1: up here? Right? Turkeys are everywhere. They're everywhere, these turkeys.
Speaker 1: But I had to please, please, do you see any
Speaker 1: that's the fun part of this. Yeah, so we're huge
Speaker 1: stuff storms coming. We get on, but they put us
Speaker 1: on the plane anyways. They fly us all the way
Speaker 1: to Colorado Springs. Short flight, forty minutes. We get almost
Speaker 1: on the ground, maybe a couple of thousand feet from
Speaker 1: the deck from the runway, and the at the last minute,
Speaker 1: the pilot pulls up, turns around and flies back to
Speaker 1: Denver and comes on a loud speaker and says, we
Speaker 1: couldn't see the runway, so we had to go back,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go back and refuel and we'll see
Speaker 1: if we can try it again. I thought, well, that
Speaker 1: sounds safe. We'll get we'll try try. There's a storm
Speaker 1: coming in, but we'll try again anyway, Thanks Feller. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we waited a couple of hours and flew back. Finally
Speaker 1: did land at like midnight or something, and so it
Speaker 1: was a full twelve eighteen. I was like fourteen hour
Speaker 1: day in the airports. Finally finally made it on Saturday morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what time I think you didn't even roll in?
Speaker 1: And yeah, I woke up it well, it was two
Speaker 1: and two and a half hours away, So I woke
Speaker 1: up at six and I got a bite to eat
Speaker 1: and got my hunting license and drove down. It was
Speaker 1: wentn't here untill nine thirty probably something like that, and
Speaker 1: we were I was changed it in the truck probably
Speaker 1: by ten o'clock, a little bit after I forgot my
Speaker 1: shotgun at the lodge. You were a little tired. We
Speaker 1: drove all the way almost to the spot we're gonna hunt,
Speaker 1: and one of the guys called, It's like, hey, there's
Speaker 1: a shotgun back here. Does that belong to anybody in
Speaker 1: the truck? So yeah, I had to go back and
Speaker 1: get my shotgun, got that done, and then uh got
Speaker 1: back out to the the business like a plout. It's
Speaker 1: like a plot, food plot right on this kind of
Speaker 1: river bed area and take it from there. Yeah, right
Speaker 1: off the pur turt rivers. So awesome. I was excited
Speaker 1: to have you out because I know you've been an
Speaker 1: avid hunter your old life, and I know you know
Speaker 1: a lot about the turkey hunting, and you know, turkey
Speaker 1: season has already been open, uh you know for what
Speaker 1: week and a half, and uh, I was hoping to
Speaker 1: get you out early, but you know, hey, the way
Speaker 1: the schedules worked, you came out a little into season.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, let's just go straight out
Speaker 1: and hunt. And I loved it because you were like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been up for a long time, but let's do
Speaker 1: this zip straight out into the woods. And uh it was.
Speaker 1: It was awesome because we came into this little area.
Speaker 1: I said, you don't what usually some turkeys in this big,
Speaker 1: big field here. Sure enough the birds were there, gobbler
Speaker 1: sauce and he took off running to the left and
Speaker 1: it was great as the hands went to the right
Speaker 1: and both of us were like, well that's perfect. So
Speaker 1: we slipped down into the river bottom and I said, well,
Speaker 1: let's just both call really softly. So I made a
Speaker 1: few purse few yelps, real soft. You made a few
Speaker 1: Persian yelps, like we were answering each other back in
Speaker 1: four Earth. And I said, then let's be quiet, and
Speaker 1: you know, we'll start up another sequence and you know,
Speaker 1: twenty thirty minutes or so. So it was awesome because
Speaker 1: you slipped into this little hole. And that's my biggest concern.
Speaker 1: And you can tell if somebody's got experienced turkey hanging
Speaker 1: right away, right, you know, if if they get themselves
Speaker 1: in a position where even if for birds close, they
Speaker 1: can't move. And you know, you crawled into this little blowdown.
Speaker 1: And it was awesome because I had just one of
Speaker 1: those little cheap, oh you know, hand held little cameras
Speaker 1: because I thought, man, it's been kind of cool if
Speaker 1: I get video, because I like watching it and sharing
Speaker 1: it with with my fans. You know, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's check out a hunt. So I sit down about
Speaker 1: yards away from you. And what was really cool was
Speaker 1: we had got done with our sequence. We're sitting there,
Speaker 1: the sun had just come out. You know, it's been
Speaker 1: snowing a little bit early, and sun had just broken
Speaker 1: through the clouds, and both of us heard this raven
Speaker 1: just out there, just you know, making a racket, you know,
Speaker 1: and both of us were intently listening for a shot gobble.
Speaker 1: Surely they will be a shock gobble off this raven
Speaker 1: and you know, crow out there making up making a
Speaker 1: rock as ravens are a lot bigger and their sound
Speaker 1: carries even more. And I thought, surely we'll hear a gobble. Nothing.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there and waiting, you know, looking over
Speaker 1: your way, and I can see you kind of scanning slowly,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I gets this nice gobbler,
Speaker 1: probably a three d a half year old birds, you know,
Speaker 1: walking in from the left, and he is doing the
Speaker 1: super sneak? Was it not the crazy like he was
Speaker 1: like cat, I've never seen not only you know turkey,
Speaker 1: I've seen turkey sneak, but I've never seen a turkey
Speaker 1: as deliberately pick his foot up and put it down
Speaker 1: like where it totally matter where his and his feet were,
Speaker 1: it were, he didn't want to step on a leaf anything.
Speaker 1: And a comfortable turkey will come in and they like
Speaker 1: looking around maybe yeah, maybe, yeah. Drummond has been excited.
Speaker 1: He was the most. He's like, I'm gonna check this out.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a lady over here, maybe there isn't, but
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let anybody know what I'm up to.
Speaker 1: He was full on Bobcat mode, full on educated, educated
Speaker 1: d It was so awesome because I spotted first, because
Speaker 1: he came on my side, you know, from the hard left,
Speaker 1: so my body was probably blocking this purgec he comes
Speaker 1: sneaking past. He goes past me at I don't even
Speaker 1: know tht fifteen yards right on top of me. I'm
Speaker 1: not moving, but again that's where full camo head, net
Speaker 1: gloves all. That makes such a difference. That we were
Speaker 1: both camoed head to toe. We both had great cover,
Speaker 1: so our outlines were broken up. Bird walks right past
Speaker 1: me and he's kind of look. You could tell he's
Speaker 1: looking for where are these hands? I just heard two
Speaker 1: hands over here, And it was so cool because I
Speaker 1: saw you when I looked over you, I watched you
Speaker 1: slowly lift up the gun and I'm like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and the bird never saw you move. Never so great.
Speaker 1: So this bird there's hands to our right, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking that way because I'm thinking maybe we'll get one
Speaker 1: of those guys fired up. If at any rate I'd
Speaker 1: like to see if they're they're hanging around, we got
Speaker 1: a better chance that way. And I just kind of
Speaker 1: you know how you do, you slowly scan and in
Speaker 1: from right to left, left to right, not jerking your
Speaker 1: head around, trying to stay relatively motionless, because I've done.
Speaker 1: In fact, I was just hunting turkey hunting in Texas,
Speaker 1: and uh, I had a guy there with me that
Speaker 1: didn't have gloves but a face mask, and I was
Speaker 1: over calling, like maybe seventy five yards away in his hands.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, dude, I just texted him
Speaker 1: and like, dude, keep your hands down if you can,
Speaker 1: because I could see nothing but your hands from over here.
Speaker 1: And imagine me a hundred yards away. Imagine what a
Speaker 1: turkey can see from fifteen yards if I can see
Speaker 1: it from a hundred yards away. And so yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I think this bird, Uh, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he saw the decoy we had out there, he saw
Speaker 1: what we I don't think he did. I think he
Speaker 1: was just kind of sneaking through that area and and
Speaker 1: I just slowly picked the gun up and he was
Speaker 1: right behind a branch, and well, I perfectly, just could help,
Speaker 1: could hold there and wait for him to walk in
Speaker 1: fifteen yards and Cole, he was done. Was that quickly?
Speaker 1: It was so I actually got it on camera, like
Speaker 1: we gotta check it out, because literally I was fraid
Speaker 1: I couldn't move the camera. It was like I can't move,
Speaker 1: I can't move. And finally it was like there was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a tree and I flipped it
Speaker 1: open and I got you and you could see your
Speaker 1: your already up with a gun ready to rocket, roll
Speaker 1: like turn over, and the turkeys like walking. And as
Speaker 1: soon as he stopped, you made a perfect just headhead.
Speaker 1: Oh there's a big gobbler right to look at the
Speaker 1: rope on that gobbler right there. That's so awesome. That
Speaker 1: was some big birds up here. That was a dragger
Speaker 1: that one. How many how many turkeys do you think
Speaker 1: you've seen? I mean, not counting the fifty that we're
Speaker 1: roosted over two hundred. Yeah, that's been. That's been a yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's not that's probably conservative. Yeah, two hundred easy,
Speaker 1: without even trying. We've got a lot of and it's
Speaker 1: not like we've been like sitting and looking for him
Speaker 1: and driving around the roads. Now we've seen two hundred
Speaker 1: I mean, and then you know of that two hundred
Speaker 1: forty mature gobblers. I don't know so much fun they're
Speaker 1: hammering right now too. It's a nice bluebird day there,
Speaker 1: bounces are just strutting around hammering, having a good time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that that's the case. I you know,
Speaker 1: I just went through a Texas turkey and that was
Speaker 1: four days and it was terrible, and I was in
Speaker 1: Florida for a turkey and it rained the entire time.
Speaker 1: So the fact that we got out there and sat down,
Speaker 1: the sky came blue and the turkey walked in, I'll
Speaker 1: take it. Oh, is that all? You work so hard
Speaker 1: for him? Sometimes it's amazing, you know me. We're talking
Speaker 1: about that yesterday. I just that's one of the things
Speaker 1: I love about turkey hunting is you know, one day
Speaker 1: you can swear it's like, this is the smartest bird
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. You know, days go by, you can't
Speaker 1: call one in, they're not reacting to calls, they're not
Speaker 1: doing you know, what they're supposed to do. And then
Speaker 1: the next day, boom, Sometimes same turkey. Say yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I always that's what we were saying, you know,
Speaker 1: another podcast just about how sometimes they seem like the
Speaker 1: dumbest thinks. Somebody said it looked like a roomba puffed
Speaker 1: up room. But just they're not knowing what to do.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes like this thing is like a ghost,
Speaker 1: like you can't you see him in the in the
Speaker 1: tree in the morning. They fly down the gobbel once
Speaker 1: and then they're gone. Um. But in this case, you
Speaker 1: take what you can get, especially I love eating turkeys,
Speaker 1: so I generally don't get into like is he a
Speaker 1: two year old or a three? Like is he have
Speaker 1: a rope and spurs? All right, perfect, it's a turkey
Speaker 1: and a face. I'll shoot him in the face after
Speaker 1: That's how kind of how it's it's nice to have
Speaker 1: that just done back my mind because we were talking
Speaker 1: to my wife loves to buy the chicken. We don't
Speaker 1: buy red meat at all from the store, but she
Speaker 1: still wants white meat, which I respect. I don't tell
Speaker 1: HERM only eat red meat. She wants white meat. So
Speaker 1: every wants I shall buy chicken. And I've been trying
Speaker 1: to cut that down and so quail doves turkeys, but
Speaker 1: turkeys the most the easiest way to get that done
Speaker 1: to mitigate the chicken buying situation for the meat, not
Speaker 1: the eggs. So you're working out you're adding all the
Speaker 1: white meat to the household, trying to that's that's the
Speaker 1: number of turkey number three this year. So that's enough
Speaker 1: the last us a while. It's a good reason to
Speaker 1: be out hunting at least so good too, and it's
Speaker 1: good for you, and I think that's I think really
Speaker 1: people are starting to get educated, like how much healthier
Speaker 1: it is to eat wild game. And then you've you know,
Speaker 1: I would say one thing that we haven't even talks
Speaker 1: since been right around the truck, but I always want
Speaker 1: to talk to you about a bunch of things. But
Speaker 1: you've been living, you know, that's out hunting lifestyle for
Speaker 1: how many years? Would you say, I mean your whole life, probably,
Speaker 1: but in the industry when I was a kid, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I started off as a young kid working
Speaker 1: in archery shop, UM and bear archery, and then uh,
Speaker 1: you know, when I was twenty one, I started managing
Speaker 1: an archery shop and four Collins, Colorado, which is northern Colorado,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I've been in the archery, archery
Speaker 1: industry and hunting industry since then, um, you know then
Speaker 1: you know, got just been very fortunate. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people ask me how did you get the
Speaker 1: hunt industry? And I'm like, hey, you know what a
Speaker 1: lot of his right place, right time, you know, really cool.
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about hunting. I've always been an outdoor communicator.
Speaker 1: And by that I mean if somebody showed a little
Speaker 1: interest in hunting, I'm like, well, come on with you.
Speaker 1: You want to shoot a bow or a rifle, or
Speaker 1: you know, you want to go shoot a handgun, Well
Speaker 1: let's go, you know, trying to you know, just like
Speaker 1: anything you're passionate about. You want another species? Nice an
Speaker 1: lope on the right? That five? Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that is five species. Now, you're right, white tail, mule, deer, elk.
Speaker 1: Now is that the big five? Well, I'm not early
Speaker 1: in on them clature. That's the big five. We're calling that.
Speaker 1: I'm a big Colorado five. I like it, Big five Colorado,
Speaker 1: big five, elk, Muli's white tail, turkeys, antelope. I like it.
Speaker 1: Sorry continues no, no, no, so. But I've always been
Speaker 1: passionate about it. And you know, when Eastern asked me to,
Speaker 1: you know, do the Eastern Bow Hunting Show awesome, and
Speaker 1: then Predator Nation. Um. You know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the industry would come out of your hunting with
Speaker 1: us and see that I was pretty avid predator hunter. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, selling for or some things like that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been fortunate. Man, I've been in the industry long time,
Speaker 1: starting outfitting business. Um. I think it's the twenty six
Speaker 1: year um, something like that that I've been guiding clients.
Speaker 1: And I absolutely love it because it's people that are
Speaker 1: passionate about the same things I'm passionate about him, right,
Speaker 1: and I love it. I mean it's you get to
Speaker 1: beat some great people. And really, I mean I think
Speaker 1: it would be hard to just randomly pick any any
Speaker 1: sport and just be able to make the statement that
Speaker 1: those people are just great people. Yeah, it's hard. I
Speaker 1: mean there's you know, I'm sure as a guy, do
Speaker 1: you have plenty of bad apple stories. And sometimes that's
Speaker 1: the funnest part in a camp. You hear like, hey,
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I had this guy and
Speaker 1: you to laugh and laugh about it. But yeah, but
Speaker 1: it is rare, right, I mean, and for you that many'
Speaker 1: not good at math, that's thousands depends of like thousands
Speaker 1: of people that you've taken honey, over the years. That's
Speaker 1: super rare to have somebody that you don't get along
Speaker 1: with or that you don't you know, you don't relate with.
Speaker 1: And whether it's you know, on the whole gamut, you know,
Speaker 1: in the way that you know, relationships and you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, kids the way they should be raised,
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, you know, politically, you know,
Speaker 1: almost everybody seems to have that same you know, feeling
Speaker 1: about a lot of those things. And I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, whether it's church, political, family raising,
Speaker 1: there just seems like to me, hunters, America, patriotism. You know,
Speaker 1: there's so many things that that hunters or outdoorsmen, whether
Speaker 1: it's a fisherman, uh, a hunter, you know, you guys
Speaker 1: that do the rodeo circuit. There's so many of those
Speaker 1: guys have so many things in common that it's really
Speaker 1: it's it's a neat group of people. Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: these folks doing. We're on the highway here and there's
Speaker 1: people with American flag? That cool? What it don't tread
Speaker 1: on me flag? Yeah, you know, these guys are here
Speaker 1: a lot and it's so awesome. Um, you see them
Speaker 1: out here, and it's just I think it's just a
Speaker 1: reminder like, hey, guys, you know, support support Americans. That's
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Yeah, that's bad and that awesome out
Speaker 1: here in the middle of nowhere. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we're we're off right. Yeah, and the honey exit. But
Speaker 1: what were we talking about before we ran into this guy?
Speaker 1: We're talking about the hunting your history Turkey talking about
Speaker 1: me being passionate about getting people involved in the and
Speaker 1: the hunting industry and the history of your health fitting business.
Speaker 1: But going twenty six years and you've seen a lot
Speaker 1: in the hunting industry, right, So if you say twenty
Speaker 1: six years in the hunting issue doesn't sound like a
Speaker 1: very long time. Well, I watched the scope for muzzleloaders
Speaker 1: to you know, modern center fire. Yeah, and you watch
Speaker 1: punt guns. We started with punt guns. No, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen a lot of changes in the industry. Um, some
Speaker 1: some good changes and some that you know that I
Speaker 1: would say, maybe you know, weren't good to be perfectly honest.
Speaker 1: So it is it's always fun, um watching you know,
Speaker 1: watching the changes in the industry. UM, seeing the ebbs
Speaker 1: and flows and what what's hot, what's not new products?
Speaker 1: So there's so much innovation, Like it amazes me when
Speaker 1: I think of the guys that climb Mount Everest, for example,
Speaker 1: and you know, leather shoes, I'm like, really, well, you
Speaker 1: know there's guys they can't complete it now with the
Speaker 1: most updated footwear, you know, and there's been so many
Speaker 1: you know, just just like coolers, there's been so much
Speaker 1: technology that the change in technology, you know, with what
Speaker 1: you guys are doing, the clothing that we're wearing. You know,
Speaker 1: the firearms, they know what it used to be you
Speaker 1: had to reload if you wanted to get a really
Speaker 1: accurate rifle. I don't feel like I have to reload
Speaker 1: anymore because there's so many options and so many great
Speaker 1: bullet manufacturers out there, you know what I mean. It's like,
Speaker 1: holy cow. You know, I can find a hornery and
Speaker 1: anything I need, you know what I mean. Just like
Speaker 1: you know, can you imagine thirty years ago? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, we use coolers If if you got
Speaker 1: ice to stay most of the day, you were like, yes, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta, I got a heck of a cooler.
Speaker 1: So you know, some of the end vasition, no matter
Speaker 1: what the you know, no matter what it was, you know,
Speaker 1: has been amazing to me and fun to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when do you see like the you know, it's funny
Speaker 1: with this like perspective is is hilarious. At some points,
Speaker 1: do you think, like we go out, now, you shoot
Speaker 1: most of shoot a recurve right exclusively shoot a recurve
Speaker 1: at this point, No, I shoot it all still, you know,
Speaker 1: to be you know, I grew up shooting muzzleloaders and
Speaker 1: rifles and shotguns and bows, and but I did start
Speaker 1: out with the compound. Early on. I went to a
Speaker 1: recurb because I really enjoyed it. And I first went
Speaker 1: to the recurve because I thought, man, I love the
Speaker 1: challenge of a recurve. And once you get good with
Speaker 1: the recurve, all of a sudden, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I think, really there's more of a challenge to shoot
Speaker 1: a compound because I don't, you know, I don't need
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I just draw back, I shoot. It's
Speaker 1: more natural way to shoot. So but I do you know,
Speaker 1: I still use the recurve the majority of the time,
Speaker 1: use a compound hunting predators. I use a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything. You know, air rifle, handgun, rifle, shotgun, you
Speaker 1: name it, um, but I love it all. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and specific clean archery always because I think, you know,
Speaker 1: modern rifles have evolved, but rifles have been around for
Speaker 1: quite some time. Honting world, non Honting world, whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's hundreds of years of history there. Uh. With archery though,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think folks in the modern archery world
Speaker 1: understand how quickly things have evolved from a stick bow
Speaker 1: from the old struggle stick to what they are now,
Speaker 1: or from the first wheelbow. What years the first wheelbow
Speaker 1: made in when they first came out with that in
Speaker 1: early eighties, seventies, seventies, I mean that's how many years? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so and now look at what they've got. Yeah,
Speaker 1: within like a fifty years span, we've gone from sticks
Speaker 1: and strings and and sharp kN objects on the point
Speaker 1: of a uh, aluminum arrow to carbon fiber and cams
Speaker 1: systems and let off plus feet per second. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you do you have any opinions on that? Just
Speaker 1: the way that it's evolved, in the way that it's evolving,
Speaker 1: and what you've seen or like to see or yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know it's probably the same thing. I
Speaker 1: think there's pluses and minuses to everything depending on where
Speaker 1: you stand. Um you don't, don't get me wrong, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to see everybody pick up a bow or
Speaker 1: a shotgun or a rifle and enjoy the outdoor sports.
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, best thing for kids, young girls,
Speaker 1: young boys. You need to get into, you know, and
Speaker 1: see where meat comes from, because the fact is we
Speaker 1: all impact wildlife. Everybody kills animals, even if you're a vegetarian,
Speaker 1: because you know the land they're having to clear. I've
Speaker 1: got to literally stop the truck here for these antelope.
Speaker 1: We got some more an they gotta go under the fence,
Speaker 1: under the fence. I lost some hide on that one.
Speaker 1: I think it's evolutionist why they do that. It has
Speaker 1: to be because they were out here for you know,
Speaker 1: thousands of years without fences, so they always went around things.
Speaker 1: But when the fences came, they started going under. I've
Speaker 1: only seen two antelope jump fences my whole life, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be. Probably a deer or whites started jumping
Speaker 1: mule deer or white tail deer and hop right over
Speaker 1: that fast. I wasn't even there, but look at where
Speaker 1: mule there and white tail live there. Used to coming
Speaker 1: across down trees and you know what I mean, a
Speaker 1: lot of things that they had to jump over. You know,
Speaker 1: where's antelope. I'm in the prairie, jumping over something really
Speaker 1: wasn't much of an issue ever. Yeah, imagine you can
Speaker 1: see and I imagine you can see with the prong
Speaker 1: or just like they're running across the road underfences, they've
Speaker 1: got two hooks the bucks do on the on the
Speaker 1: top of the head, and so they're like, well, how
Speaker 1: am I gonna go. I'm gonna either try to jump
Speaker 1: over this thing, which is I don't normally do, or
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use these hooks lifted up and go under.
Speaker 1: Its common sense. I know we got off on a
Speaker 1: tanger because I saw those antilope. But yeah, so, like
Speaker 1: I said, I think there's pluses of minuses. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at muzzleloaders for example. You know, just to pick
Speaker 1: on an example, archeries changed a lot. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I I shoot a traditional bow, but holy cow, do
Speaker 1: I take care? Do I take advantage of the new
Speaker 1: carbon fibers, you know what I mean? And and you know,
Speaker 1: some of the new technology you know, in my holy recurve,
Speaker 1: you're dang right, I do. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I love it, you know what I mean, the you know,
Speaker 1: the risers, there's all kinds of you know, the machines
Speaker 1: that are doing cranking out some of these bows now,
Speaker 1: even the custom boagers or using new products that are
Speaker 1: making those bows faster, compounds, faster than they've ever been. Muzzleloaders.
Speaker 1: I grew up shooting, you know, a percussion and flintlock muzzleloaders.
Speaker 1: They didn't have an inline. They come out with inlines
Speaker 1: now and these guys are shooting those three four hundred
Speaker 1: yards as accurate as a center fire, rightful. So even
Speaker 1: though I like the technology, at the same time, sometimes
Speaker 1: I go, you know, I'm glad we have certain seasons
Speaker 1: that are set up for more primitive, you know weapons
Speaker 1: for those guys that choose to do that. It's all
Speaker 1: about having that option and the right flintlock. There's's such
Speaker 1: a big difference between the flintlock and an old you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, hammer percussion as opposed to an inline,
Speaker 1: as opposed to a lombo recur as opposed to a compound.
Speaker 1: You know, there's just big changes. Yeah, when we were
Speaker 1: talking about the other day, like the you know, appreciating
Speaker 1: the experience and all the things you're a man, hunted
Speaker 1: reaker of all the time, you surely appreciate struggle like
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't do it without the struggle at some level.
Speaker 1: Off like it was easy our turkey and was easy,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't easy because we've locked that turkey in
Speaker 1: a cage and let him out and then shot him.
Speaker 1: It was easy because the circumstance allowed. We got lucky
Speaker 1: he split off from the hens. And you don't you
Speaker 1: say that though, But here's the thing, and I do
Speaker 1: think you know, it was awesome and quick turkey on.
Speaker 1: Had we been inexperienced turkey hunters, had either of us
Speaker 1: moved too much like your buddy that didn't have gloves on,
Speaker 1: and we hadn't had full camo, full face masks, had
Speaker 1: you not been an experienced hunter that turned his head
Speaker 1: super super slow to the left, you know that bird
Speaker 1: would have caught us and taken off and maybe neither
Speaker 1: of us would have even seen it. So the fact
Speaker 1: that we were brushed in super good. You know, you
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. It's funny. I think there's some
Speaker 1: little things. That is your gaining experience. More you get
Speaker 1: more lucky. Let's put it that way. And I would
Speaker 1: say there's a coyote hunter out of a Texas named
Speaker 1: Wyman Menzer and him and I I mean he kills.
Speaker 1: He has a book of kyote kills from vent and
Speaker 1: it's probably three pages long, and he recorded every kyote
Speaker 1: he ever killed. And that guy taught me all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff about where to sit and how to be,
Speaker 1: and how to move and how to look. Sit in
Speaker 1: the shade, don't ever sit in the sun. Point this direction,
Speaker 1: move this way, move that way, just about hunting coyotes.
Speaker 1: And then you apply that to every type of you know,
Speaker 1: sit and shoot hunting scenario, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you were able to do what we were able to
Speaker 1: do exactly. But like you said, the harder you work,
Speaker 1: and you know that old adage, the harder you work,
Speaker 1: the luckier you get. Yeah, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of truth to that's true. But now I think as
Speaker 1: hunters we get addicted to and appreciate someone who is
Speaker 1: willing to work harder to get accomplish what they came for. Right,
Speaker 1: And like you have killed, have you killed all the
Speaker 1: species in North America, Like, yeah, it was actually I
Speaker 1: was actually the first one to take all um species,
Speaker 1: so kind of cool. And it didn't matter if I
Speaker 1: was first to the you know, two thousands. It was
Speaker 1: a personal goal that I set upon myself. I wondered
Speaker 1: if I was tough enough, uh to to harvest you know,
Speaker 1: all twenty nine species, and uh boy, there were a
Speaker 1: few times I would have told you I wasn't, you know,
Speaker 1: doll sheep freezing freezing my butt off on the side
Speaker 1: of a mountain, you know what I mean, trying to
Speaker 1: hide in a little little snow I carved out to
Speaker 1: keep the wind off. You know. There are a few
Speaker 1: hunts that I went, huh, man, I guess I'm not.
Speaker 1: But you know, I ended up working out and it
Speaker 1: was such a cool thing for me to go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was able to do that with a recurve, and
Speaker 1: that's that's an accomplishment. You know. It's really cool. And
Speaker 1: as you know, it's it's not necessarily about the animal
Speaker 1: that you harvested. It's about the people, the places, you know,
Speaker 1: And I love that. Like you showed me a picture
Speaker 1: the other day and it was so cool because you
Speaker 1: were actually talking about New Zealand. And here's something. Don't
Speaker 1: get a big head now, but I noticed I noticed
Speaker 1: little things like this. You didn't show me. Most people
Speaker 1: would show a picture of a dead animal, and here's
Speaker 1: something that I noticed. You didn't show me a picture
Speaker 1: of the animal you shot. The first thing you showed
Speaker 1: me was look at how beautiful it is. And your
Speaker 1: picture had the mountains with a cloud in it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, that's a cool hunting picture, because
Speaker 1: bottom line is that's what it's really about. It's the
Speaker 1: beauty being out there. Don't get me wrong, I love
Speaker 1: eating while game as much as you do, and I
Speaker 1: totally understand you're trying to get rid of the chicken
Speaker 1: and get the turkey work to the dinner plane. But
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, that's that's sometimes the
Speaker 1: way I can. You know, when you did that, I
Speaker 1: was like, man, that's really cool. I can totally relate
Speaker 1: to that, because that is as big a part of
Speaker 1: the experience as harvesting in the animals. So I thought
Speaker 1: that was need. It wasn't a hey man, look at
Speaker 1: this animal I harvested. It was hey man, look at
Speaker 1: how beautiful this area was. And that was the first
Speaker 1: picture you showed me, and I'm like, because I was
Speaker 1: trying to like, this is what we're talking about New
Speaker 1: Zealand too, but it's I feel that and we were
Speaker 1: I was actually talking to another guy there in camp
Speaker 1: about Hawaii and he I occur occur. It occurs to
Speaker 1: me now that you say that that I never showed
Speaker 1: him a picture of a dead access to her. I
Speaker 1: assumed you just fucking knew what that looked like. I didn't,
Speaker 1: and and assumed I wouldn't lie to when I when
Speaker 1: I told my shot one there, he doesn't really need
Speaker 1: to see it. But that's to me, that's awesome. What
Speaker 1: I can't describe is the mountain, right. I can't describe
Speaker 1: that to you. If I said, hey, hey, you know
Speaker 1: what here, let me describe this, you'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds great, and then I should like, here's what
Speaker 1: the picture looks like. Oh well, now way better than
Speaker 1: way how he described it. There's no way to describe
Speaker 1: that thing. But for the animal, I would assume most
Speaker 1: people have seen some of that stuff. When you say
Speaker 1: access to her, you instantly go okay um, and you
Speaker 1: know I'm not immune to those things. But I think
Speaker 1: that's just I've talked about it a lot in this podcast,
Speaker 1: is about just evolving as a hunter. Like and I
Speaker 1: think your example of what strikes me about you know,
Speaker 1: what you have going on here in Colorado and just
Speaker 1: the lifestyle that you live. What strikes me about it
Speaker 1: is I was looking at like my generation, my generation's
Speaker 1: version of the outdoor industry, and then the generation proceeding
Speaker 1: or you know before me, what their version of the
Speaker 1: outheroor industry was, and I feel like it's very different,
Speaker 1: and they're kind of merged together now. You know, outdoor
Speaker 1: TV and print magazines are kind of at some point
Speaker 1: the only people that you would hear from about hunting
Speaker 1: were either writing it into magazine at some point. And
Speaker 1: then with the proliferation of DVDs and videos which you
Speaker 1: were part of, and and further onto television and even
Speaker 1: further on social media changed the game completely for everyone
Speaker 1: because now everyone had a voice. And so like my
Speaker 1: generation is used to everybody having a voice at some level,
Speaker 1: or at least have gotten used to it. You know,
Speaker 1: prior generations were used to like guys like yourself and
Speaker 1: real experts, real people that put their lives directly in
Speaker 1: the center point of outdoor lifestyle and said I'm gonna
Speaker 1: live this and I'm gonna tell my story and try
Speaker 1: to educate you along the way. And so I think
Speaker 1: the perspective change is like now anybody like me or
Speaker 1: anyone else can have a podcast or have a social
Speaker 1: media thing and can speak their mind for good and
Speaker 1: of course sometimes bad, anytimes bad. Um, what's that? What's
Speaker 1: it like for you to have seen? You know? What
Speaker 1: I would assume is a generational change, and I'd agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, even when I was younger, I learned from
Speaker 1: my dad, you know what I mean, My dad learned
Speaker 1: from his dad. That's you know, that's how things were
Speaker 1: passed down. And you know, my hunting ethics, Um, my
Speaker 1: knowledge of the birds and the plants and the things
Speaker 1: that I see came from my dad pushing that on me,
Speaker 1: like you know, if you want to be. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't so much even a hunter, you know, back then,
Speaker 1: it was an outdoorsmen and that encompassed a wide range
Speaker 1: of skills. It was how to properly build a fire.
Speaker 1: It was knowing, you know, the trees around you, was
Speaker 1: how to cut down a tree properly? You know, it
Speaker 1: was how to you know, always pick up the trash,
Speaker 1: always leave things like you found it. Um, you know
Speaker 1: how to how to take care of the meat. You know.
Speaker 1: It was a huge part of that generation. And I
Speaker 1: think and handing that down and I think you bring
Speaker 1: up a great point. It was it's interesting that I've
Speaker 1: got to see that the change because now that social
Speaker 1: media and TV and things like that. You know, unlike
Speaker 1: some people, I never went out. My goal wasn't to go, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on TV. Man, I'm gonna start a
Speaker 1: TV show. So I think I'm a little different the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, they came to me, you know,
Speaker 1: Eastern and said, hey, we've hunted with you, We've been
Speaker 1: out here at your ranch, and we would like you
Speaker 1: to host our TV show. So I kind of came
Speaker 1: into it totally differently than and I'm not faulting anybody,
Speaker 1: more power to them, but some people have gone, man,
Speaker 1: my goal is to be TV right, a TV hunter.
Speaker 1: That was never my goal. I was tickle Pink and
Speaker 1: still him being an outfitter and guy hunters for a living.
Speaker 1: That's what started this and that's what I still do
Speaker 1: every day. I mean, you know, the last week, you know,
Speaker 1: I've know a guy to do. I got a guy, Chris,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, God's an animal, which is
Speaker 1: really cool. Craig Bodington. You know, I've had some really
Speaker 1: great people from the industry and had a chance to
Speaker 1: learn from him. But the crossover for me was now,
Speaker 1: I meet so many people when I'm at events or
Speaker 1: at shows or things like that that go, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you did this. I learned to skin
Speaker 1: a coyote from watching you, Or I learned to to
Speaker 1: hang a tree stand from watching you do it. Or
Speaker 1: I learned how to care, which even more important to me.
Speaker 1: Really if you if you are lucky enough to harvest
Speaker 1: an animal, man, I learned how important it is to
Speaker 1: peel the skin off an antelope quickly and get it
Speaker 1: into cooler so it doesn't taste like crap, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So you know, so that so
Speaker 1: that experience is good from the beginning, from education, safety,
Speaker 1: you know, going out, maybe getting lucky enough to harvest
Speaker 1: an animal, but all the way, you know, that whole
Speaker 1: field to table movement, to me is is really a
Speaker 1: very It's a it's a great movement because it really is.
Speaker 1: It's an experience from going out the field hunting all
Speaker 1: the way to eating that meal and having a good
Speaker 1: experience all the way through. You know, if at the
Speaker 1: end of that you put it in your mouth and
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, that tastes like crap. My dog
Speaker 1: won't eat it, it stinks on the plate, it's stunk
Speaker 1: up the house when I cooked it, Well, then that's
Speaker 1: a bad experience. But it's been interesting to me because
Speaker 1: I think, sadly, a lot of people and I say
Speaker 1: that because we're getting farther and farther removed from farm
Speaker 1: ranch communities. A lot of people, a lot of kids,
Speaker 1: you know, not because they didn't weren't interested in hunting,
Speaker 1: but their parents just weren't a position where they could
Speaker 1: take them hunting. You know, you've been to my house.
Speaker 1: I can step out the backyard and shooting elk, shoot
Speaker 1: a turkey. You know, our boys shoot there twenty twos.
Speaker 1: You know we've got to We've got a range twenty
Speaker 1: yards from my front door. Ye, your kids are certified bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to shoot trap. Yes, well, we had a
Speaker 1: couple of lucky shots. But I mean, Trent all the
Speaker 1: boys love to shoot, and Trent is how old is
Speaker 1: he just turned thirteen. He could shoot Kenny. I don't
Speaker 1: think he missed know it with a four ten, I'm
Speaker 1: rocking a twelve gage. I think I missed a couple
Speaker 1: of times. He's dangerous, He's dangers But so, you know,
Speaker 1: my point was, there's a lot of people that were
Speaker 1: never introduced to it, like you were by your father,
Speaker 1: like I was by my father. So because social media
Speaker 1: and TV has become so huge, I think this is
Speaker 1: the way a lot of people are getting their information
Speaker 1: and and interestingly enough, and that's why I think it
Speaker 1: is so important for people to to act a certain
Speaker 1: way or respect the animals and respect the meat. All
Speaker 1: the way through. Some people are learning not only how
Speaker 1: to hunt or how to handle firearms, whether it's safely
Speaker 1: or unsafely, sadly, but also to a degree they're hunting
Speaker 1: ethics by people they're watching. We emulate very complex and
Speaker 1: and exactly, you know, and there's all kinds of decisions
Speaker 1: in the field that you make every day. But it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me, and I really try and stay cognizant.
Speaker 1: Did you hear that? It was my big word the
Speaker 1: day got a calendar? Yeah? I got that. The source
Speaker 1: here in the truck. Yeah. See, there you go. There's
Speaker 1: you have the source. Most guys have just google it, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm still the source. But I tried to be appreciated. Bro,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. But I do I try to
Speaker 1: try to be super aware of what I'm saying, what
Speaker 1: I'm showing, um, you know, because you know, I realized
Speaker 1: that there may be a young person their whole introduction
Speaker 1: to hunting or the outdoors maybe what they see me doing.
Speaker 1: So I try and be very cognizant of that. So
Speaker 1: that's I'm glad you brought that up because what I've seen. Um,
Speaker 1: I've had this podcast for this the episode number twelve. UM,
Speaker 1: so not long, three or four months. But during that time,
Speaker 1: there was a report released one that the hunting license
Speaker 1: sales went down from twenty I think in eleven sixteen,
Speaker 1: from fourteen million to eleven million. Not good. The funding
Speaker 1: was a business would be stock befallen um. And at
Speaker 1: the same time, you look at the demographics in that
Speaker 1: eleven million excuse to and older. I think it's I
Speaker 1: can't remember the percentage those folks are sixty five and older.
Speaker 1: And that's gonna leave a gap, a giant gap. When
Speaker 1: that fifty five and older generation goes away and is
Speaker 1: no longer able to hunt. There's gonna be a giant
Speaker 1: gap for some a couple of decades where that eleven
Speaker 1: million is gonna go way down. And what's been happening,
Speaker 1: Thank the Lord, this has been happening, at least for
Speaker 1: for hunting sake and for our sake, is that a
Speaker 1: lot of people have been listening to things like this
Speaker 1: or watching your shows, like you said, picking up on
Speaker 1: not only that hunting is cool and fulfilling and makes
Speaker 1: your life better, healthy, healthy eating. Right, they're beginning excited
Speaker 1: about that point, but then also learning from the people
Speaker 1: that they see what it means to do it, what
Speaker 1: the stewardship and responsibility really is, and that I firmly
Speaker 1: believe that there's a new generation of hunters right now
Speaker 1: that are that are doing it for the first time
Speaker 1: that we're not taught by their fathers, Yes, sir, And
Speaker 1: so what's that allow us? That allows us a whole
Speaker 1: new generation of people that we can retrain or train
Speaker 1: again just like our fathers told us, or we can
Speaker 1: retrain them on a new way or a generationally appropriate
Speaker 1: way of hunting, and they can then they can then
Speaker 1: pass that down to their children. So in some ways
Speaker 1: we've shifted the center point of hunting from only the
Speaker 1: father to son or father to daughter or mother to
Speaker 1: you know, the patrimonial peace shift that two, here's a
Speaker 1: new generation of people. That guy's got a yetty juggle
Speaker 1: on his old Darryl. Darryl's shout out to Darryl Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I think that it's more generationally appropriate hunter, not only
Speaker 1: for the people that are just now going hunting for
Speaker 1: the first time because they heard you, or they heard
Speaker 1: Steve Ronnella, or they heard saw Lee or Tiffany, or
Speaker 1: they saw Remy Warren or whoever, or heard Joe Rogan's podcast,
Speaker 1: they're now just class and we got we're talking about
Speaker 1: that that we're coming town. We're covering that I did
Speaker 1: not know that. I'm very upset that I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I felt very badly about that. Anyway, generationally, I think
Speaker 1: we'll have a group of hunters that are now going
Speaker 1: to change a little bit of the way it's done,
Speaker 1: and we'll still have the father to son Bob passed
Speaker 1: down to my son what I know, but we'll be
Speaker 1: able to kind of reshape it a little bit, which
Speaker 1: all the more important for what you do and to
Speaker 1: be saying what you're saying, like ethics matter, the moralities matter,
Speaker 1: the way you approach it matters. That's huge because there's
Speaker 1: people listening to this. I've got emails from I could
Speaker 1: read thirty of them to you right now. I said,
Speaker 1: I listen to your podcast. I'm gonna start hunting for
Speaker 1: the first time. I appreciate your approach and here I
Speaker 1: go off to the races in this awesome, ridiculously complicated thing.
Speaker 1: So it's right, man, And I think there really is.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, twenty years from now, they'll look
Speaker 1: back on this period of time is like the time
Speaker 1: where the demographic tonics began to change for the better,
Speaker 1: um in a good way because of social media. That's
Speaker 1: what I think. I like it. Maybe I'm wrong. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about just glass in for a second before I
Speaker 1: forget to talk about it. Because we were driving in
Speaker 1: the same road we're driving on right now, back to
Speaker 1: your lodge on this East ranch, and I brought up
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's podcast. Actually, you brought up what a good
Speaker 1: guy Joe Rogan was. I said, that's really cool because
Speaker 1: I've never I've you know, I've never personally met Joe Rogan.
Speaker 1: Um and and my comment was, man, he's funny, seems
Speaker 1: like a really nice guy. And you actually threw a
Speaker 1: shout out and said, Manfred, he's a really good everything.
Speaker 1: You need stories of things he's done that no one
Speaker 1: would know about that. I don't really need to retell,
Speaker 1: but like just reasons he's good things he's done, awesome
Speaker 1: human being. Um And you said, oh, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: all about that because of that just glass in business,
Speaker 1: he played a video of me when you're hunting here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got all these calls all of a sudden, and
Speaker 1: that tells you, you know, Joe Rogan's following. But you know,
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of guys you know, contact me
Speaker 1: and they're like, man, Joe Rogan's podcast. I'm like what
Speaker 1: they're like. Honestly, you gotta check it out. It's so awesome.
Speaker 1: They use actually a clip of your mouse and you
Speaker 1: know you were doing your normal. You know, I grew
Speaker 1: up hunting public lands, so why don't you do anything?
Speaker 1: I get pretty jacked and it's embarrassing sometimes when you
Speaker 1: watch yourself on video. You ever watched stuff a video
Speaker 1: and gone, man, I thought I sounded so much better
Speaker 1: every time. Oh yeah, man, I'm loud. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: my nose was that giant, and my eyes I look like,
Speaker 1: you know, I look like you know, I gotta get yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I look a little weird. I didn't realize my eyes
Speaker 1: were so close together. I probably gotta get special made binocular.
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's funny the things that you
Speaker 1: it's hard to watch yourself. But they were like, you
Speaker 1: gotta check it out. You're on there with a with
Speaker 1: a moose and and one of the guys that's gotta
Speaker 1: the hashtag just classing and wearing a you know, we're
Speaker 1: in a just classic shirt and it's because of something
Speaker 1: you said. So we don't want to ruin before you
Speaker 1: just go check it out. So literally multiple people, and
Speaker 1: I'm like what, So I go on there and I
Speaker 1: got so geeked up that we were and I said, man,
Speaker 1: I was I just shut the spoose. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I just popped out of know where I was. I
Speaker 1: was just classing. I mean, I was just glassing and
Speaker 1: and and and here's the booze and they picked up
Speaker 1: on that and ran with it, and and and it
Speaker 1: was pretty funny. It started a hole, it started a
Speaker 1: whole movement um on you know, just glassing with Joe Rogan,
Speaker 1: So it was really it's a full on hashtag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hashtag this ship out of just way. I gotta
Speaker 1: hashtag that more. You got to get some royalties out
Speaker 1: of this, you know what the heck? Just glass and
Speaker 1: It's something that a lot of people say. I you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to swear to it, but I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that Joe Rogan started it. But he started
Speaker 1: it with my video of Mesa and just glassing. So
Speaker 1: you know what follow up? Would you do me a
Speaker 1: favorite follow up? We follow up because you may go, Fred,
Speaker 1: youre totally full of it and she always just playing
Speaker 1: YouTube video. Just Glass and Thing came from somebody else.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, I'm pretty sure. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can get like some protection for that. I
Speaker 1: need to talk to It's great. I mean, you know, Joe, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know I need to be hooked up with this
Speaker 1: just Glass and Thing. Yeah, I need to be the
Speaker 1: spokesperson for just I love it. I'm just a glass
Speaker 1: and full Yeah, I just want people to know. Now
Speaker 1: I'll be able to promote this podcast based on the
Speaker 1: fact that could be like the origin story you got gas,
Speaker 1: you gotta read it. And I loved hearing that Joe's
Speaker 1: a good guy. That's really cool, I think fantastic, you know.
Speaker 1: And and some of the stories you said, and I
Speaker 1: won't repeat them, but just you know, you we were
Speaker 1: talking about this the other day. You can sometimes tell
Speaker 1: if somebody's a really truly good person if they do
Speaker 1: something kind, good, whatever it is, and they don't seek
Speaker 1: recognition for it, they do it behind the scenes. And
Speaker 1: some of the stories that you actually told, and I
Speaker 1: know you wouldn't expecting me to bring this up, but
Speaker 1: some of the stories you told about about Joe and
Speaker 1: doing things behind the scenes really made me go, that's awesome,
Speaker 1: really really cool, really cool. So it's nice to hear.
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many great people in this industry,
Speaker 1: and for me, it's nice to know that Joe is
Speaker 1: not just, you know what I mean, an outdoor communicator,
Speaker 1: but that he's a good guy to know and powerful
Speaker 1: for our for our world and our people and what
Speaker 1: we do for sure, And like you said, I mean,
Speaker 1: it goes back to just the people that you're with them.
Speaker 1: You come down here, and you have people from all
Speaker 1: over the country that come to sleep in the same
Speaker 1: building as you and follow you around the woods and
Speaker 1: and do a pretty complex emotionally. You know, you're pretty
Speaker 1: famous for you Well, I always call myself just that
Speaker 1: lucky redneck kiss to do what he loves to do, right,
Speaker 1: So it's you know, I've been really fortunate to be
Speaker 1: able to do what I absolutely love to do. And
Speaker 1: my wife commonly says, she goes, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: have an easy life, but we have a blessed life
Speaker 1: because we you know, you know, she works, she works hard,
Speaker 1: and so do I, but we love You wouldn't want
Speaker 1: it to be where's she going? And she comes, she's
Speaker 1: right here about maybe checking on the calves right now.
Speaker 1: So we had a we had a cow that had
Speaker 1: twins and uh, you know, it's pulling the mom down
Speaker 1: a little bit. So we've been kind of helping them
Speaker 1: checking them out. Yeah, are we gonna go right around
Speaker 1: some more? Yeah, I'm gonna go show you the top
Speaker 1: of this ridge. So are you go? Do you want
Speaker 1: to go with us? I don't know. Let me let
Speaker 1: me let me check with the ball. The view from
Speaker 1: up there is Yeah, that's what I want to say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need it, You're we need to take a picture
Speaker 1: of you up there. Yeah, and we can post it
Speaker 1: up so with people who can see that I'm not
Speaker 1: just we've taken Yeah, that's pretty awesome. I'm doing a
Speaker 1: podcast right now. We're still we're still rocking this thing.
Speaker 1: Ben's got it down. You want to hop in the truck,
Speaker 1: you want to go for the ride, bring it all right?
Speaker 1: We got the better looking and the the boss. The
Speaker 1: boss is in the truck now the boss, Yeah that way. Well. Well,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't know Michelle's history, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's so cool because Michelle's dad actually started um
Speaker 1: muzzy broadheads. Yeah, and a lot of my buddies, Um,
Speaker 1: when we first got married, they're like, oh, you married
Speaker 1: or just so you can get for broadheads. So I
Speaker 1: brought that up. We were at a function one time
Speaker 1: and be my wife for teasing each other and I said, well,
Speaker 1: I said, I just married you so I could get
Speaker 1: free broadheads. And my wife without missing a beat, she
Speaker 1: looks at me and she goes, well, that's okay, because
Speaker 1: I just married you so I could go on free hunts.
Speaker 1: And I went Wait a minute, let me think about this.
Speaker 1: I maybe go through five dollars in free broadheads a year,
Speaker 1: but I promise you my wife goes through about eighty
Speaker 1: thousand and guided elk, mule, deer, white tailed deer, mountain lion,
Speaker 1: turkey bear. You see what I'm saying. So she kind
Speaker 1: of went out on that deal, right, Yeah, she definitely
Speaker 1: went out. I know, we gotta open this gate. I'll
Speaker 1: get it. She's got it. No, she's good, We got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys can podcast together. I tell her sometimes, Hey,
Speaker 1: I really want to take you off for a ride,
Speaker 1: and it's just because I want to go check cows
Speaker 1: and I don't want to get out and get the gate.
Speaker 1: So it's beautiful, I'll drive and that's the gates. She's
Speaker 1: I mean, she's tough. Now. She helps when it's branding,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what we're doing. The garden she grows
Speaker 1: is ridiculously huge, and she cans hundreds and hundreds of courts. Well,
Speaker 1: you've had her, you've had her jelly grown. She grows
Speaker 1: the grapes, then she makes jelly out of the grapes
Speaker 1: she grew. She has nine bee hives. We get a
Speaker 1: ton of honey. Every year we eat almost everything we
Speaker 1: eat we either harvested or she grew, because she literally
Speaker 1: is like a pioneer woman. I joke around all the time,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, she could have been born a hundred
Speaker 1: years ago and she would have been just fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was there today. I saw and that's
Speaker 1: why when we're talking and this might be uh coashers
Speaker 1: say or not, but I was there today and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, you know, I've followed Fred for you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of my life and watched what he did.
Speaker 1: But then recently, you know, I've been following Michelle Moore
Speaker 1: because I'm more thanks, I'm as interested and more interested
Speaker 1: and beekeeping and gardening because hunting I've done, like I'm
Speaker 1: not crested and I'm not the best at it, but
Speaker 1: I've done. It's like just a craft that I do.
Speaker 1: And as far as like how to grow, I want
Speaker 1: to grow in other ways. So I'm like, here's a
Speaker 1: person that's gardening, so bread, I'm gonna watch Michelle. Watch.
Speaker 1: I've been watching Michelle like no offense, no, And you
Speaker 1: know what's cool, she really does enjoy the hack how
Speaker 1: to teaching people to can how to go how do
Speaker 1: you know how to do the bees? She prime example,
Speaker 1: we we she literally she said, go out and get
Speaker 1: some fresh milk. She goes, uh, milk on the cows
Speaker 1: for me. So I ran it in the shoot and
Speaker 1: we're milking it. She goes, because I want to make
Speaker 1: farmers cheese. And I'm like, what do what like? When
Speaker 1: I think cheese, I think Kolby or Swiss, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm like, she sticks pepperjack, right, sandwich whatever.
Speaker 1: So she she's like, oh, milky, look at all the
Speaker 1: geese out there. Sucks kind of cool. All kinds of ducks, buffs,
Speaker 1: buff buffalo head. Nice. We got some mud ducks or
Speaker 1: as I call them, you know, I call mud ducks
Speaker 1: but coots gallennules. But she literally makes cheese out of
Speaker 1: this fresh cow milk and it was delicious, unreal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's just got all these kills and she learned that
Speaker 1: from her mother. You know. I'm like, that's really cool.
Speaker 1: Let's generationally handled down. But how many women today do
Speaker 1: you think it would be like if you won, if
Speaker 1: you handed you know, if you said, hey, go out
Speaker 1: and milk the cow, you know, and handed him, handed
Speaker 1: him up a jug of fresh warm cow milk. Would
Speaker 1: they know? Oh jeez, I'm gonna whip out something cheese here.
Speaker 1: We should Yeah, I mean not just women men stuff. No, No,
Speaker 1: I could definitely tell you how to like has set
Speaker 1: your spam filter on your outlook for your email? I
Speaker 1: could sure a ship. I wouldn't have what doing a cow?
Speaker 1: There's no wool, but yeah, there's just just reminds me
Speaker 1: that there's a bunch of Canadian geese, you know, flying
Speaker 1: off the pong here. We're driving by and Michelle has
Speaker 1: what do we call corned goose? Corn goose? Michelle made
Speaker 1: corn goose, and I think I ate a a pound
Speaker 1: of it. I hate it. I hate, traditionally hate eating
Speaker 1: Canada geese. You do because you you don't want to
Speaker 1: shoot it and not eat it. Yeah, I don't hunt them.
Speaker 1: Never been your favorite. And I don't like eating him
Speaker 1: because I've never had it that good. If I now
Speaker 1: that I know when I see him now I see, like,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of slices of brined breast flying
Speaker 1: through the air. I don't even shoot him flying anymore
Speaker 1: because I want to make sure I get them. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if one swims into the decoys, I'm like there's some
Speaker 1: bride goose right there. I think I m I got
Speaker 1: a pretty high percentage when there's done that. You know,
Speaker 1: I've done that on other animals too. Like we're in
Speaker 1: Africa and it was a games buck running around, orcs
Speaker 1: running around. They made these like curry meatballs out of
Speaker 1: these orcs, and I was like, there goes a herd
Speaker 1: of meatballs, full on herd of meatballs, and that that
Speaker 1: is ladies. And now like we're so we're driving to
Speaker 1: the east side of another You guys have a couple
Speaker 1: of ranches properties, and so we're now on the east side.
Speaker 1: We've driven all the way across from the Spanish peaks
Speaker 1: where you live to your outfitting area where you farm cattle,
Speaker 1: run cattle. And it's ridiculous the different type of terrain
Speaker 1: and ecosystems that are here. Like we're fully in sage
Speaker 1: flat country, sagebrush country, and there's and our brand on
Speaker 1: those calves is f DO. But we thought it might
Speaker 1: be cool to just make get another oh, so we
Speaker 1: could make it food food, so we could brandon with
Speaker 1: food because we we got three. You right, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna get an OH, and I'm gonna stamp one food,
Speaker 1: you would go viral. You would go viral. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what we could do it? Yeah. See, now there's
Speaker 1: my wife making sense. I think we have to get
Speaker 1: a whole another brand with another Oh, she go, you
Speaker 1: could just use the oh twice, use the Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: the logic in the back. Nice smart bl I'm glad
Speaker 1: she said it. Anyway, I just remark it like the ridiculous.
Speaker 1: We're running in like ponderous of pine country, rolling hills,
Speaker 1: snow covered peaks, you know, half an hour that way,
Speaker 1: and here we are in like grass, sage flats, river bottoms,
Speaker 1: and there's elk here and elk there too. And where
Speaker 1: do you do post pictures anywhere? Because you could post
Speaker 1: some picture people are listening to this. You could probably
Speaker 1: post a picture of you just so you can see
Speaker 1: the difference in the areas. Yeah, it's it's I will post. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We would do like an art cool page on each
Speaker 1: one of these podcasts. You will be able to go
Speaker 1: to the website and see some of what we're talking
Speaker 1: about here. But it's just like you were saying, a
Speaker 1: unique area in the world, Southern Colorado. It's not cold
Speaker 1: all the time. It's not like northern Colorado where they're
Speaker 1: snow in the ground all the time. Um, and we're
Speaker 1: on the edge of three totally different echoses. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're just there's another good one. Myriad I'm trying to
Speaker 1: use was the last one music? Remember, like I don't contiguous.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm sure it wasn't over three syllables. Well you're
Speaker 1: getting I mean there are three or four in there.
Speaker 1: This for an hour, um yeah, and then I just
Speaker 1: it just remarks to me that that this type of
Speaker 1: country is diverse, and the biodiversity of the animals and
Speaker 1: the and everything plants that are here shows it's crazy
Speaker 1: and it's awesome. It's cool. I'd move here if I could.
Speaker 1: We were talking about that. I'm gonna tell my if
Speaker 1: my wife is listening, that's a cool it's a cool
Speaker 1: part of Colorado. I mean, you know, everybody loves, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, the states that they live in,
Speaker 1: and you know, we think Colorado is one of our
Speaker 1: favorites just because especially down here in southern Colorado, you
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of the crowds, you a lot
Speaker 1: of people. You know, there's still really good deals on
Speaker 1: you know, and property as opposed to the rest of
Speaker 1: the state. Um, but it's uh, it's unique. It's still
Speaker 1: you still have that really small town feel for sure.
Speaker 1: How many people live. What's the closest town to where
Speaker 1: we are right now? Um, Trinidad, Trinidad, and that's where
Speaker 1: we live. We're about a little over thirty minutes to
Speaker 1: the closest gas station. What was that little town we
Speaker 1: drove with the high school though, Yeah, the little town
Speaker 1: of Hony. Many people live in Hony. I don't know, No,
Speaker 1: I think it's a few more, well, probably not a lot.
Speaker 1: But they've got a they've got a high school. There's
Speaker 1: not a there's not a seven eleven or a gas
Speaker 1: station there. No, you know, there was a store. You
Speaker 1: gotta go to Trinidad. But yeah, great high school. Cool,
Speaker 1: cool little town. Um. And it's basically a farm ranch community.
Speaker 1: Ye man. Yeah, it goes back to you noticed that
Speaker 1: I'm talking to my wife now sitting in the back seat.
Speaker 1: Now we're dropped by Darryl, or neighbor, and of course
Speaker 1: Ben picks out boom. He's like, hey, he's gotta he's
Speaker 1: gotta yetti on that, you know, on his quality for him,
Speaker 1: and he mounted it on his He mounted a Vietti
Speaker 1: jug on his quad there. Yeah, he would, he would.
Speaker 1: That's a legit move. He's really out there and doing it.
Speaker 1: I could probably get some street cred if you like
Speaker 1: swung By and I was like, hey, this is yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, here's a little discount card or something. You
Speaker 1: probably he would, he would dig that. I'll give Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do that. It's done, easy, do that. We'll set
Speaker 1: him up. I'll put him right in nice um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this country is crazy. The difference between this
Speaker 1: and and there's not a lot of places that we
Speaker 1: were talking about New Zealand. That's one of the places
Speaker 1: that is so diverse that you could not I couldn't
Speaker 1: hardly understand. But this is for for the States. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is pretty strikingly diverse country, which is why people
Speaker 1: come to full draw outfitters and hunt about six different species.
Speaker 1: Oh other gates. I built this h brace this last summer.
Speaker 1: It's still holding. So that's good. So you're I wanted
Speaker 1: to One of the thing that struck me is your son, Trent.
Speaker 1: So I think we should talk about Trent for a
Speaker 1: while because Trent is awesome, thank you, He's just awesome.
Speaker 1: One of the things that struck we're talking about the
Speaker 1: people out here in the way that you're like, I've
Speaker 1: met a lot of kids that are thirteen and not
Speaker 1: all of them shake your hand firmly and looking in
Speaker 1: the eye, And that struck me about Trent, Like, this
Speaker 1: is a good kid. I appreciate. There's not a little
Speaker 1: punk on the earth that that would shake your hand looking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Trent, dude. Oh, I'm looking at her struggling with
Speaker 1: that gay. That's a really tight one. She's got her
Speaker 1: shoulder tone into. We need to get out there and
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, let's go out you got it? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, pretty awesome. Ben's going out there to help
Speaker 1: my wife. I I built this h brace over one
Speaker 1: of our corners, and I kind of strung it pretty tight,
Speaker 1: because they always seem to loosen up quite a bit.
Speaker 1: But this one's still still pretty tight. She's got it
Speaker 1: with Ben's out open the pickle jar and hand it
Speaker 1: to somebody, and then they just twisted the rest of
Speaker 1: the way similar to that. Yeah, and you always you
Speaker 1: always say that I loosened it up for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's standard. Happy to loosen that up, happy to do it.
Speaker 1: So you can see this big ridge up here. We're
Speaker 1: actually gonna drive on top of that and we'll be
Speaker 1: able to see over a lot of country here which
Speaker 1: is just beautiful. That it's just a beautifultry and we've
Speaker 1: got white tail, mule deer, an loope, elk, bear, and
Speaker 1: turkey out here. But I think a lot of it
Speaker 1: because you know, and yeah, some great waters, some cockbirds.
Speaker 1: You saw some pheasants the other way. You said, blue quail, yes,
Speaker 1: scale quail, yes, scale here. Yeah. Yeah, So it's kind
Speaker 1: of unique for the bird hunting because we've we've actually
Speaker 1: shot ducks, geese, pheasant, and scale quail all within like
Speaker 1: a two radiation. What I mean, what do you contribute
Speaker 1: to that? You know much about the history of this
Speaker 1: land that you know, they're a confluence of a bunch
Speaker 1: of there's been peasants along this or for a long time. Um.
Speaker 1: The birds are just not a lot of water here. Um,
Speaker 1: so the birds are attracted to any water, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, on the edge of kind of a
Speaker 1: couple of flyaways, so they see water, they're gonna drop
Speaker 1: in there. But there's a lot of agg in this country.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of these guys um growing
Speaker 1: corn I mean we grow a foul from mostly that's
Speaker 1: the main crop that we grow to sell, but uh,
Speaker 1: and we use it for our cows and our horses
Speaker 1: as well. But there's just a ton of agg in
Speaker 1: this area. So it attracts everything. You know, if you've
Speaker 1: got the food, odds are you're gonna have the animals? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have the animals. You have the animals. It's crazy,
Speaker 1: it's crazy in this country. I mean, I can't again,
Speaker 1: I won't be able to scrab. It will take some
Speaker 1: pictures for everybody to see, but it's it's fantastic. Hey,
Speaker 1: you've definitely we've definitely changed from what we were in
Speaker 1: this morning to where we're at right now. It's are it?
Speaker 1: And we've dropped about yeah, and we dropped about two
Speaker 1: thousand feet in elevation, and what do you say that
Speaker 1: I live at seven thousand feet? The Spanish peaks that
Speaker 1: are out in front of you know, in front of
Speaker 1: my place are thirteen thousand and a little over thirteen thousand,
Speaker 1: and then out here, I think we're about five thousand,
Speaker 1: aren't we about out here? So totally different. Well, I
Speaker 1: figured to close this particular show out. I'm gonna let Michelle,
Speaker 1: ask you a few questions. I want to give her
Speaker 1: the headphones, let her close the show out. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: my wife's canna interview me, interview my husband. I want
Speaker 1: to know all the things about you that you haven't
Speaker 1: told me. Oh, honey, you know, you know everything, you
Speaker 1: know why, you know why. There's a lot of women
Speaker 1: archaeologists right. Oh, don't even go there swimming love digging
Speaker 1: up old stuff. It's there and uh, no offense any
Speaker 1: archaeologists out there. Yeah. Yeah, the views up here are
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. That we were actually on the other side
Speaker 1: the other day when that you can see where the
Speaker 1: fire was. Um, I think it burned five thousand acres
Speaker 1: on the neighbor's ranch over there. But um, we absolutely
Speaker 1: love living out here and UM just feel so blessed
Speaker 1: be able to do what we do. And um, you
Speaker 1: know the whole thing, the farming, the ranching. Um, like
Speaker 1: Fred said, I love gardening. I love getting my hands
Speaker 1: in the dirt. Much rather be out there than in
Speaker 1: an office. And uh, just a great place. Um as
Speaker 1: a mom and a wife to raise our our three
Speaker 1: boys out here. Um, just with a total connection to
Speaker 1: the land. So they've got to see it. See it
Speaker 1: from every perspective, from you know, raising cows, harvesting your
Speaker 1: own meat, harvesting vegetables and uh and working so uh
Speaker 1: give him a good work ethic and um, you know,
Speaker 1: raise some good America And so I pretty excited about that. Hey,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Yeah, thanks Ben for coming out
Speaker 1: and hanging out with us. It was awesome. I'm curious
Speaker 1: in a hunt and said, you know, you can give
Speaker 1: them your your skinny. So check us out on Fulder
Speaker 1: Outfitters dot com. You can email us or call us.
Speaker 1: And we've got a fan page on Red Eichler fan
Speaker 1: page on Facebook, also Instagram and Twitter. Um, and then
Speaker 1: check out, of course all of our YouTube clips we've got.
Speaker 1: We'll be putting up some recipes, some awesome recipes, wild
Speaker 1: game recipes, and have a bunch of skinning tips and um,
Speaker 1: a lot of fun hunting clips. So check out the
Speaker 1: j Glass and see if I was totally full of
Speaker 1: it or not, see if I started that trend. So
Speaker 1: you gonna have to check with Ben on glass and Babe,
Speaker 1: was you all right out? That's it? Yeah, it's over,
Speaker 1: episode number twelve in the books. Thank you, Fred Eichler,
Speaker 1: Michelle I Clare the Eichler family for hosting me in Colorado.
Speaker 1: It was a great time, UM, A weekend cut short,
Speaker 1: unfortunately by events involving YETTI and the n r A. UM.
Speaker 1: A lot of folks that are listening to this probably
Speaker 1: heard about the controversy involving the company I work for,
Speaker 1: YETI and the National Rights Association. Uh, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things said over the last few days about yet
Speaker 1: He's a company. But I think the bottom line is
Speaker 1: the people that Yetie, You're good people that YETI believe
Speaker 1: in hunting, they believe in the Second Amendment, they believe
Speaker 1: in all the right things, and they support conservation not
Speaker 1: only in theory but in actuality with dollars and time.
Speaker 1: And I can tell you from having been there for
Speaker 1: over three years that this is a company that cares,
Speaker 1: the company that I believe deserves your business and the
Speaker 1: consideration of of conservation and all the work that they do.
Speaker 1: So I won't say much more to you get into
Speaker 1: the weeds of it. It's not really worth it. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we can past the controversy with the n r A,
Speaker 1: and I hope we can get onto bigger and better things,
Speaker 1: and hopefully by episode number thirteen, we won't remember this
Speaker 1: little bump in the road that is, this little controversy.
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Speaker 1: to the past podcasts, and everything you want to hear
Speaker 1: from the Hunting Collective. Will be back next week with
Speaker 1: another awesome guests were headed to Lanai, Hawaii with Joe Rogan,
Speaker 1: Cam Haynes, Adam Green Tree Orhevery Orange, Shane Dorian, John Dudley,
Speaker 1: and more. So hopefully we'll check back in with one
Speaker 1: of those folks, or all of them, or just me
Speaker 1: who knows. We'll see how it plays out, but will
Speaker 1: be in Hawaii. See you next time. Bye bye the
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