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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, October twenty first, twenty twenty, and is time,

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Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, for the Wednesday edition of Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, my name is Luke Thomas. I am from

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Speaker 3: The Total Package is still with us, Luke. Okay, and

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Speaker 3: I'd like to think of us, by the way, the

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Speaker 3: MK as the total package in the combat sports podcast business. Luke,

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Speaker 3: So welcome back to our great viewers. You know, we

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Speaker 3: got a great show today, Luke. In that stage, building

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Speaker 3: that foundation for UFC two five four this Saturday. React

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Speaker 3: We'll do Yeah, maybe we did SJW in the house.

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Speaker 3: We got like we've got a good ass show coming

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Speaker 3: up today. I am fired the heck.

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Speaker 2: Up, Luke. I'm glad to hear that. I am fired

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Speaker 2: up as well as you indicator yet Today's it's going

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Speaker 2: to be a big look ahead UFC two fifty four.

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Speaker 2: We didn't do it really on Monday. We had to

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Speaker 2: White saying that this thing is trending. Now you know

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Speaker 2: whether that's true or not, it certainly is very debatable.

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Speaker 3: But every pay per view, look, you know does he does?

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Speaker 2: and we're talking about a world where it's not controversial.

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Speaker 3: It would be massive from this sense. The intrigue of

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Speaker 3: This is almost like when Floyd Mayweather signed that deal

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Speaker 3: I mean, this could be a big deal, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a few ways to slice this right.

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Speaker 2: It's like just you couldn't count the whole career because

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Speaker 3: Cleary that quickly, Sorry to interrupt, clarify when you say

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Speaker 3: know you did say you would fight Connor if he

428
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Speaker 3: beat Poorier, So what gives brohim? And you know, to

429
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Speaker 3: Habib's credit, he said, I did say that. So here's

430
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Speaker 3: the deal. If Connor fights Pourier at lightweight and beats

431
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Speaker 3: him and not some one seventy Catchwait, bs, I will

432
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Speaker 3: you respect that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. I don't tend to think we'll actually

434
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Speaker 2: see that, but you know, I respect the adherents and

435
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Speaker 2: the the willingness to stick to your word. I just

436
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 2: tend to think that the fight game will get in

437
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Speaker 2: the way. First of all, Connor's got work to do.

438
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Speaker 2: I mean, let's just be real about that. Also, you know,

439
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: we can't bury Justin, so I would I actually wouldn't

440
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Speaker 2: mind seeing it if those things happen, If never Gonna

441
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Speaker 2: Enough gets past Justin, and if Connor gets past Dustin

442
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 2: in January or whatever, I wouldn't mind seeing it. But

443
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: let's cross that bridge when we get there, all right,

444
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about this, No.

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Speaker 3: No hold on, this has to be said. You saw

446
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Speaker 3: me looking down at my phone. You know we have

447
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Speaker 3: no Jay Wednesdays on MK right. Can you believe the

448
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 3: nerve of Jay asking us questions about the future of

449
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Speaker 3: this show during the show right now?

450
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Speaker 2: I didn't my phone, did he really?

451
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Can you believe? Can you understand? Shout out to

452
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Speaker 3: gaff in our ear today? By the way, Yeah, Jesus

453
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 3: not having that.

454
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Speaker 2: Seriously does he? Okay? All right, all right, all right,

455
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Speaker 2: Saint Pierre very quickly. How big is that fight?

456
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Speaker 3: Okay, it's huge, but honestly, it's not as big as

457
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Speaker 3: Connor for many different reasons, Luke. I think in danis harderhearts,

458
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 3: he would do GSP. In fact, maybe he will do GSP,

459
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Speaker 3: but only if Connor loses against poorrier bro I'm telling

460
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Speaker 3: you that right now. It not only makes cents and dollars,

461
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 3: it makes a lot of sense, Luke. Right, So hey, Luky,

462
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Speaker 3: can I give you a theory now? Or should I

463
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Speaker 3: save this for Friday?

464
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Speaker 2: Uh? Is it the one about boxing? If so, sim

465
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Speaker 2: for Friday? You know what I will give you credit.

466
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Speaker 2: That is a gem of a theory. Don't spoil it

467
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Speaker 2: for today.

468
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Speaker 3: Okay, So GSP's huge, Luke. But but Luke, I want

469
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Speaker 3: to get your take on whether if it happens at

470
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Speaker 3: a catchway or welterweight it is not as big because

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Speaker 3: it would lose the hook of GSP going for first

472
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Speaker 3: man to hold titles in three different weight divisions it

473
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Speaker 3: could gain according to Hovey or Mendez, the idea that

474
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Speaker 3: the winner would be the goat. You can debate that

475
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Speaker 3: all you want, But does it have to be at

476
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Speaker 3: lightweight in your eyes for it to mean as much.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't, in part because to the extent that

478
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: Saint Pierre goes down too much, you can begin to

479
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: question not the integrity of the result, but the what

480
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Speaker 2: you really learned in the whole process. I mean, he

481
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: goes back to Mayweather and Canelo. I just didn't think

482
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: that was a great weight for Canelo. Not to be clear,

483
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: I think Mayweather was probably better at that time anyway.

484
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Speaker 2: But I do feel like the extra weight that Canelo

485
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Speaker 2: had to cut was just a little bit of insurance

486
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Speaker 2: for Floyd along the way, and credit to Floyd, like

487
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Speaker 2: that was the deal he worked out, Canelo agreed to it.

488
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Speaker 2: So it is what it is. I just mean to say,

489
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Speaker 2: under a different circumstance, how different would the result have been.

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Speaker 2: It's still something I think, not just me, but a

491
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Speaker 2: lot of people who watched that fight who were there

492
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Speaker 2: think about boxing. They go back to that one a lot,

493
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Speaker 2: like what would it have been for Canelo to be

494
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Speaker 2: a different weight. So it's like at one sixty five,

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Speaker 2: we know Kabeb is a big lightweight. It's hard for

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Speaker 2: him to get down a one fifty five. He can

497
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Speaker 2: do it. He's found a way, but still historically that

498
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Speaker 2: the pattern of having some issues down there is very

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Speaker 2: very real. Saint Pierre, I think, you know, talked about

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Speaker 2: all the difficulty and putting on weight to go to

501
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Speaker 2: one eighty five. Certainly, I'm not in nutritionist or exercise scientist,

502
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Speaker 2: but I wonder how much manipulation can his body really

503
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Speaker 2: tolerate in terms of that. So, you know, what's sixty

504
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Speaker 2: five doesn't appear to be a bridge too far from

505
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Speaker 2: the one to seventy where he spent most of his career.

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Speaker 2: I like one sixty five for that reason. Plus, you know,

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Speaker 2: if Kabeeb loses the title to Saint Pierre and Saint

508
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Speaker 2: Pierre immediately hands it back again, you know, I just

509
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Speaker 2: don't feel like that's just the best way to go

510
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Speaker 2: about things. And also, if you're telling me this is

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Speaker 2: for greatest of all time, yes, you lose the three

512
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Speaker 2: the person that went across three weight classes. That is true,

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Speaker 2: and perhaps that is enough of a signifier to get

514
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Speaker 2: Saint Pierre to want to make these sacrifices in terms

515
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Speaker 2: of his size. But at the same time, it's really

516
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Speaker 2: just about the skill set. I mean, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: I don't like the Saint Pierre fight because you know,

518
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Speaker 2: two fights over the course of eight years for me

519
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Speaker 2: is not enough to really think that this is going

520
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Speaker 2: to be all that meaningful. However, the one thing I

521
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Speaker 2: cannot dispute, there's just no way to dispute it is,

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Speaker 2: at least in theory BC Saint Pierre would really be

523
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Speaker 2: the first high level guy he's faced that was a

524
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Speaker 2: serious takedown threat. I mean, you think about all the

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Speaker 2: people that Number Goa Maydev has defeated. They some of

526
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Speaker 2: them were good wrestlers but really couldn't get it going

527
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Speaker 2: or just didn't try, or you know, he was gonna

528
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Speaker 2: fight Tony and that Tony faugh Justin and even then

529
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Speaker 2: just Iminario rolled against Justin. I don't think that was

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Speaker 2: a thing. In other words, everyone you think about when

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Speaker 2: they fight Number GA maydov is can they can they

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Speaker 2: knock them out because they're better strikers, and can they

533
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Speaker 2: defend the takedown? Right? But what about if the roles

534
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Speaker 2: are reversed now to the extent we have seen Nimberga

535
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Speaker 2: Mayev defend takedowns in the UFC, which has happened on

536
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Speaker 2: occasion he does it quite ably. He's actually pretty good

537
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Speaker 2: at least in Tiba got him down. Some other ones

538
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Speaker 2: made some good efforts, but not for very long, not

539
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Speaker 2: in very meaningful impact. So Saint Pierre provides, at least

540
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Speaker 2: in theory BC, that kind of a test, so you

541
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Speaker 2: don't really need the title to tell you whether or

542
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Speaker 2: not that is meaningful. And also, you know, this is

543
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Speaker 2: the whole thing about weight cutting BC. You know this,

544
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Speaker 2: There is a natural tension between how much do we

545
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Speaker 2: want to do to solve weightcutting by undercutting our business?

546
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Speaker 2: Because if you really want to solve weightcutting, you just

547
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Speaker 2: add a bunch more weight classes and make it a

548
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Speaker 2: lot easier on folks. But that's not necessarily great for business,

549
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: which is why I think Dana is reluctant because he

550
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Speaker 2: has nice, neat organization. He doesn't want to add super

551
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Speaker 2: lightweight or junior welterweight to the mix.

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Speaker 3: Luke I would corner that real quickly and say, the

553
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Speaker 3: reason why we have so many of that in boxing

554
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: is because it actually is good for business. The more

555
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,239
Speaker 3: fights you put on TV that are title fights, the

556
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Speaker 3: more in theory you get raised.

557
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Speaker 2: And why does everyone complain about title fights in boxing.

558
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Speaker 3: Well because they've completely bastardized it, a complete like bastard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,

559
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Speaker 3: let's go, let's move on.

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Speaker 2: Let's we got Can I be the can kuld be

561
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Speaker 2: the super lightweight Dagistani franchise champion of the WBO.

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Speaker 3: By the way, can we can we shout out Mike

563
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Speaker 3: Coppinger's Twitter conra if you want to see him send

564
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Speaker 3: WBC ahead, Mauricio Suliman to hell. Please check out the

565
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 3: podcast that he just posted. By the way, thank you boy.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we started the show talking about Numerica

567
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Speaker 2: madeoff winning. But let's be fair, because that's what you

568
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: have to be here. What happens if ge Chee wins?

569
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Speaker 2: So let's imagine a world BC. What happens if Justin wins?

570
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Speaker 2: How earth shattering is this in terms of it would

571
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Speaker 2: be an upset, not by well by odds. It would

572
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Speaker 2: be an upset still, but it wouldn't be the biggest

573
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: upset we've ever seen in UFC, in fact, not even close. Still,

574
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Speaker 2: it feels like if he does it, it almost carries

575
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Speaker 2: more weight than another fight that was you know, Shana

576
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: Dobson beating what's her face? That was a huge upset.

577
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: This would not be as big in terms of the odds,

578
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Speaker 2: but Jesus Christ, bro the implications would be huge, would

579
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Speaker 2: they not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe a great, great call out to my savior

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Speaker 3: there as well. It would be massive, Luke, Absolutely massive.

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Speaker 3: It would flip upside down your pound for pound rankings,

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Speaker 3: the historical narrative of Habib's unbeaten career in this deep

584
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Speaker 3: division at the moment and more specifically justin Geechee's you

585
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Speaker 3: know what, would be then kind of an absurd turnaround.

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Speaker 2: Luke.

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Speaker 3: We talked about it with him in our interview which

588
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Speaker 3: please check it out on YouTube, about the idea of

589
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Speaker 3: flipping that switch. He was basically our turo Gatti of

590
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: Mma coming out of WSOF and then he hit a

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Speaker 3: wall and he got stopped twice by two guys who

592
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Speaker 3: had it on the inside, in Eddie Alvarez and Dustin Poier.

593
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: But to reinvent himself as dramatically as he has without sacrificing, sacrificing,

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Speaker 3: Luke the danger. He's still destroying dudes. But to be

595
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Speaker 3: able to just you know, trim the fat and really

596
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Speaker 3: just put things all together. You want to talk about

597
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Speaker 3: knocking out the guys in a row that he did

598
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Speaker 3: last year.

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Speaker 2: Cool?

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about stopping Tony Ferguson and handing

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Speaker 3: Habib Normago metof his first loss in the same calendar

602
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Speaker 3: year to become the champion of the Sports division. You're

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Speaker 3: talking about a shoot to the top of the pound

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Speaker 3: of pound rankings, and you're talking about a star. When

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Speaker 3: would be the last time, Luke that at the top

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Speaker 3: of the sport, the top of the sport you had

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Speaker 3: a guy who was that pleasing to the eye in

608
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Speaker 3: terms of his fighting style. Who whose next fights after that? Oh,

609
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Speaker 3: by the way, could be anything from a Hobib rematch

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Speaker 3: to a Connor fight for the title, to a Poorier

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Speaker 3: fight to the title, to a Tony rematch. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you talk about you would have made a superstar overnight,

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Speaker 3: and it would shake up everything we're talking about right here,

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Speaker 3: and it's in play. It's in play.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine BC after watching the Gaetchee and Parier fight,

616
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Speaker 2: right so, he's three fights into his UFC run he

617
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Speaker 2: beat Michael Johnson. Had I mean just an absolutely I

618
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Speaker 2: rewatched the Avarez fight. My god, what a blood and

619
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Speaker 2: guts wore. Same thing basically with the Parier fight a

620
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Speaker 2: little bit less so, but in many ways almost the same.

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Speaker 2: And then you would have said to me, you came

622
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Speaker 2: back from the future BC and he said to me

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Speaker 2: that guy is gonna beat Tony Ferguson and Nurmaga Madoff.

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Speaker 2: I'd have told you, like, you're out of your goddamn mind.

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Speaker 2: There's just no way you could have imagined it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: two things stand out to me about what be What

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Speaker 2: would happen if Justin does it one to have that

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Speaker 2: kind of a career reformation that late into your run,

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Speaker 2: not too late, but obviously you know, and it was

630
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Speaker 2: it was a mature fighter by the time he got

631
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Speaker 2: to the UFC is just I think, almost without precedent,

632
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Speaker 2: we've seen guys grow up, but not like flip a switch,

633
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: you know. I said this. I put in a video

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Speaker 2: on my personal YouTube channel last night. He's got two

635
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: chapters to his UFC run, the first three fights and

636
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Speaker 2: then the last four and then the one coming up

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Speaker 2: this weekend, and they're just totally different animals in every way.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a similar kind of one, but I guess.

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Speaker 2: But really, when you begin to break it down, there's

640
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Speaker 2: just too many meaningful differences to not draw a line

641
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Speaker 2: in the sand that way. So that's the first thing.

642
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: The second thing I would say is, even after making

643
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: that switch and he beat Vic, and he beat Barboza

644
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: and he beat SERRONI even after that point, if you'd

645
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: have told me he's gonna stop with strikes Tony Ferguson

646
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: and then eventually, let's say, in this imaginary world, beating

647
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: number Gamdov, I still would have told you you were

648
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: out of your goddamn mind. When was the time where

649
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: a guy, even after making a reformation like this, was

650
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: considered to be like a let's say, charitably, charitably a

651
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: distant third, fourth, maybe fifth in the division. I think

652
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: most folks had in the pecking order before the day

653
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: Tony and the Justin fight. I think they had, you know,

654
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: kuld be one, Tony two, you know, Dustin and Connor

655
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: somewhere three four ish around that mark right, give or take.

656
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: Those were your top four, one way or the other.

657
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: He was sitting outside of that. And then you would

658
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: have told me he would have beaten the two best

659
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: guys we thought we're gonna fight for goat title. This

660
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: is without precedent, This is shocking. I mean even for

661
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: Doom who got the wins over Velasquez and fad Or.

662
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: You know, he couldn't quite get it done against over Raimi,

663
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: and he had some you know, he fell apart in

664
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: certain places along the way, but no one did it,

665
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: like and flip the switch and then just never looked back.

666
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: That's what this would be. It would be this come

667
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: from behind story that I don't even know how to

668
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: tell properly to me.

669
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: So he had one more cherry on top to what

670
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: you're saying after the second back to back knockout loss, Luke,

671
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: I remember having those discussions on podcasts behind the scenes

672
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: with my staff at CBS Sports that man, this guy

673
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: Getchee's super fun, but how many more fights can he

674
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: do this? What do you think he has two more

675
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: fights at the elite level before his you know, the

676
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: effects of this just catch up with him. You remember

677
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: Ruslan Pravadnikov, right that fun boxing brawler six seven years ago,

678
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: and for a short window we were like, this guy

679
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: just won a world title, Like could this guy like

680
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: be the first caveman to like actually get to the

681
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: top and just kind of you know, and look, it

682
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: didn't happen for me. He wasn't as skilled, but he

683
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: put on some amazing fights. Please go watch that Tim

684
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: Bradley fight if you haven't, it's one of the best

685
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: of all time. But the whole point is we were

686
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: scared at his future mentally, Luke. We were like, this

687
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: guy's already maybe shot at the peak of his prime

688
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 3: because he just walks into oncoming traffic and just throws

689
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: himself at people. Well he's kind of still doing that,

690
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: just with a little bit of finement around him. It

691
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: would be absolutely incredible, Luke, so incredible that would you

692
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: go as far as saying that this twenty twenty calendar

693
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: year the year where everyone short I wanted to say

694
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: short of Joe exotic, but he ended up in jail,

695
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: So you didn't have a great year either. Really, everyone

696
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: short of you and I on MK have had the

697
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: worst years of their careers or personal lives. Would justin

698
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: Gagee have just authored the greatest single calendar year in

699
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: UFC history, Luke, true or false? If he does this.

700
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: Heart, I mean, I don't know. That's a tough one.

701
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: You know, two ways to look at it, two ways

702
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: to look at it. Right, You could look at like

703
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: a calendar year for what Atosania did, and you'd be like, wow, man,

704
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: look how consistently he was out there, just leveling up

705
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: every time, didn't lose along the way. Now, of course

706
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: Justin wouldn't have lost in twenty twenty either. He would

707
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: have beaten Tony and kobebe So there'd be a lot

708
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 2: less activity in terms of what Tony excuse me, what

709
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 2: Justin was doing. But the wins where you just knocked

710
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: off the number one contender, and then maybe the guy

711
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: we're talking about who could be goat who should be

712
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: sitting or does sit depending on one's rankings at the

713
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: top of pound for poundless. I mean, I don't know,

714
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's that is such an accomplishment. That

715
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: is so amazing.

716
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 3: To Can I give you the nominees? Can I give

717
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: you the nominees and have you choose?

718
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 2: Sure?

719
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: And this is somewhat off the top of my head.

720
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: In the last couple of minutes, Okay, here we go,

721
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: it goes like this, is there a lot of Sonia's

722
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen I'll throw it in the conversation Anderson Silva,

723
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 3: Kelvin Gastelim in the Fight of the Year, and then

724
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 3: who was the third one? Then he won the damn

725
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: title right right, and then he beat Robert Whitaker by

726
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 3: knockout who was unbelievable, for the title. Number two. John

727
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: Jones twenty eleven beats unbeating Ryan Vader quick turnaround, destroys

728
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: Showgun Hua for the title and then beats Prime leot

729
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: Cheetah and still somewhat there, Rampage Jackson four wins in

730
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: one calendar year at like twenty three.

731
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

732
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 3: Henry Suhudo in twenty nineteen moves down, knocks out TJ.

733
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 3: Dillashof for the title, and then comes back and beats

734
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 3: Marlon Morich to grab the bandam weeight title and I'll

735
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: throw In twenty sixteen, Amanda Nonez wins a decision over

736
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: Valentino Chefchenko, submits me Shitaate for the title, and then

737
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: sends Ronda Rousey to Hell. In the same calendar year, Luke,

738
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: who you got, bro?

739
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: And those are what a great question? Well, I'll tell

740
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: you this much. He is easily a part of that conversation.

741
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: Even with and that's the best part about it. He

742
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: would have the fewest fights of anyone you named, right,

743
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: John had four, Manda three. I'm not sure that may

744
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: anyhow out a sign you have at three or four

745
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: maybe more at that point, right, and then he's he's

746
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: sitting there at two and as well, Yeah yeah, okay,

747
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: but still he was moving weight classes. I mean, there's

748
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: a lot to be had there. This guy is staying

749
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: in the same weight class and it's still a part

750
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: of that. I mean, I don't know if you can

751
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: rank him number one on how you want to value it,

752
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: but dude, I'm telling you, he is on the precipice

753
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: of doing something more than just taking someone's undefeated record,

754
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: more than just winning an undisputed title. He is on

755
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: the precipice of doing something in combat sports that I'm

756
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: not sure we've seen, at least not at this level

757
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: and not to this degree given all of the setbacks

758
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: that he had in particular, it is absolutely amazing to me.

759
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: I cannot wait for Saturday. It is so huge in

760
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: so many ways. Now it brings us to another sort

761
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: of part of this question, BC, which I thought was

762
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: a great one you just asked there, who does he

763
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: fight after this? Again, we are positing a world where

764
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: Justin wins without controversy, whatever you want that to mean. Boy,

765
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: you want to talk about having the wind that you're

766
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: back now. We asked him in our interview BC. I

767
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: think I was the one that did it, and I said,

768
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: have you accounted for what's gonna happen to your celebrity

769
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: if you go in there and beat this guy? Right?

770
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: What's he gonna do? Who's he gonna fight? Does he

771
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 2: call out Connor who he previously had issues with? Does

772
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: he if you beat number gamdoff once in, do you

773
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: gotta do it twice? What's next for him? If he

774
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: gets the best?

775
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Luke. Let me put on

776
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: your really smart cap of being a matchmaker and a

777
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: promoter and a businessman. Let's say we can drop you

778
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: in the middle of that war room at UFC brass Okay,

779
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: all the power players are there? Are they looking at

780
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: each other in the eye and going we got Connor

781
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: Poitier two this close? We just haven't announced it. We

782
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: haven't put the blood on the paper yet. Do we

783
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: wait until Saturday's result first? Because if Gaichie wins and

784
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: wins dominantly, I'm not talking about a split decision in

785
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: which we got to run it back right away. If

786
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: Justin Gaichie stops Habib Normaga met off on Saturday. Do

787
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 3: they run Connor right frickin' at him?

788
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 2: Connor Kabib too.

789
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: No, if Justin Gaechie wins the championship, Okay, so here

790
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: they say, sorry, Dustin, you're getting Connor, Justin Connor right now.

791
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the funny part about all of the I

792
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 2: think Connor is the worst matchup for Gaetchee of Tony.

793
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: We'll see how he does against kabebe right, but we're again,

794
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: we're at that point. If he beats Kabee, you know,

795
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: we're talking about a world where he has already beaten him.

796
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: If he beats Nummerkamdov and he's already beaten Tony at

797
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: that point, I would conclude that Connor would actually be

798
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: a worst matchup because you know, Justin is not going

799
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: to take him down. You know Justin is going to

800
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 2: accommodate him on the feet. And I feel like at

801
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: least early now who knows late, at least early that

802
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: is going to be a place where Connor is going

803
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: to feast on him. And I know some people will

804
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: all be ah, this is the problem talking about Connor.

805
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: His fans think he walks on water and he is

806
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: Jesus reincarnate and he raises Lazarus from the dead and

807
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: then makes him his corner man, and his critics think

808
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: the guy can't do fuck all. And so you have

809
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: this tension between deity and you know, the bottom of

810
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: the cast system. Well, it's somewhere obviously in the middle.

811
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: Here's what I would say, his precision punching, his ability

812
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: to manage range, his good chi, that he has the

813
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: willingness that Justin would have to accommodate him on the feet,

814
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: I honestly would tell you. I mean, we talked about

815
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: well is it is? It could beeB or bust for Connor.

816
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: But Ifnimerkamdov loses to Justin and then Justin fights Connor

817
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: and Connor goes in there and does the kind of

818
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: thing that I think he is at least capable of doing.

819
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: BC buddy, you want to talk about redemption. Maybe that's

820
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: not as good as beating Mermerga made off, but that's

821
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: pretty goddamn close.

822
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you had the Connor Habib rematch with

823
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 3: Connor coming in with the belt. Good god. I mean,

824
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 3: so my question was to you, is that why they

825
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: haven't announced? Is that why they haven't announced Connor Dustin

826
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: Pourrier two. Is that the damn reason, Luke, are we

827
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: are we just encasing it? If you're Dana in.

828
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: Company, they're saying the contracts haven't been signed. Who the

829
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: hell knows? Again, I know you have an interesting theory,

830
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: which we're gonna share on Friday. I think it's more

831
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: than a theory. I think it's actually there. I think

832
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: is probably something to that. So there's a there's a

833
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: I'll put it this way, there's a if you irons

834
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 2: in the fire. UFC is clever, dude, They're smart. They

835
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: know they don't always look No business is always gonna

836
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: make the right decision, and it's hard to even know

837
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: what the right decision is sometimes. But in general, we've

838
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: talked about it. They bet on themselves. They are fight

839
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: fans at heart. They're gonna give themselves some options here.

840
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it is hard to think of a

841
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 2: scenario like if you looked at the odds right now, BC,

842
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: if I go this is not a plug, I just

843
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: use them because it's a good reference. If you go

844
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: to Best Fight odds, getche is a pretty significant underdog

845
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: plus two seventy five or give or take. Okay, that's

846
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: pretty significant. I cannot think of a plus two seventy

847
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: five underdog in my life where if they win, it

848
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: is that transformative to the landscape of MMA. Can't even

849
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: come to can't even.

850
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: Go close home. Holly Holm over Rowsey.

851
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: Plus two seventy five? What was she? She was way

852
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: more than that?

853
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Okay, yeah, I know, I get what you're saying.

854
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, I mean, I'm gonna say, at only

855
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: plus two seventy five, I can find one that's a

856
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: plus one thousand, just plus two seventy five. That's it.

857
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: It's it's wild, look it is.

858
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was just less than us. When Holly closed

859
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: against Rhonda, she was plus seven hundred, that's what I'm

860
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: talking about. Yes, yes, anyway, okay, uh well it should

861
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: be a lot of fun. That leads us to one

862
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 2: final person in this equation, BC, and I don't really

863
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: know how to make heads or tails of this, which

864
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: is Michael Chandler. And where the hell does he fit

865
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: into all of this. Here's what he's up against, right BC.

866
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: If somebody falls out, whoever Justin or or Habib, and

867
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 2: he fills in here, he is fighting for a title,

868
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 2: and you know, you just never know what could happen

869
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: when a guy has wrestling and power, and I think

870
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: the apex have this his own skill set that he's

871
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: at right now. But if he doesn't get the opportunity

872
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: and he ends up fighting Tony, you know, look, Tony

873
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: is a very formidable customer. I think still we don't

874
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: know exactly how he's going to recover from the beating

875
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: that justin gave him. But like, imagine you lost to that,

876
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: which is not in any way crazy to think that

877
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: Tony could beat him. If you do that, you were

878
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: this close to fighting for a UFC title and now

879
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: you're already in the back of the elite pack. But

880
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: you're at the back of it. How do you interpret

881
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: what is on the line for him here or how

882
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: he should be viewed.

883
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: This is the ultimate all or nothing risk rewards, even

884
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 3: though he's not really risking all that much. This is

885
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: crazy if you think about it.

886
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: Now.

887
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: Chandler's a big get for UFC because you know, he's great,

888
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 3: he makes fun fights, and he's at the apex of

889
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: his career for how however short the rest of it

890
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: will be in terms of his fighting style. But look,

891
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: when we talked about him, you know, as a free

892
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 3: agent from BELT or going to UFC. We were like, hey,

893
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: what's a great first fight for Paul Felder, you know,

894
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: wash cowboy, what's a great first fight. Nobody would have

895
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: ever had said a beat for the title, or Justin

896
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 3: Gatchee for the interim one in the last minute. So

897
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: as much as them naming him, announcing his signing and

898
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: then announcing that he would be a backup, which I

899
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: felt at first sort of watered down the news. I mean,

900
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: you know, if I'm running this, I announced him that

901
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: he's there. I put him in the co main event

902
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 3: against Tony. That's just how I operate, or against Dustin

903
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: Poier or whatever. But he literally has a chance to

904
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 3: cut the entire line in a division that was bottlenecked

905
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: for so long because of talent and because of Connor

906
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: keeping that title hostage when he went away, and Habibe

907
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: and Tony being unable to match up. Now he has

908
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: a chance to legitimately cut the line. And all he

909
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: needs is somebody to blow weight or or something, you know,

910
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: God forbid, somebody catches two positive COVID tests back to

911
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: back or something, you know like that. It's wild. Luke,

912
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 3: He has a way to turn, you know, an opportunity

913
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: into a life changing opportunity. My question to you that

914
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 3: I think is the most important one though, even though

915
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: Chandler against either guy, and I don't want to put

916
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 3: the bad juju out there or the bad karma that

917
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: this could happen, although they brought him there because this

918
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: could happen. So let's leave it at that. Do you

919
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 3: like his chances against either of them? Given the last

920
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 3: minute scenario and given who they are as fighters, do

921
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: you think there's a chance Sunday morning that Michael Chandler

922
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 3: has one of those two UFC lightweight titles.

923
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't like his chances against Nemerga Madoff. I

924
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: like them a lot better against Justin. Probably still favor Justin.

925
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: So let me explain. Against Nemerga Madoff. We have seen

926
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: that he can wrestle to stay safe in fights. He

927
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: can wrestle for a full like the full round the

928
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: first round against Connor. What was the game plan there?

929
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: Like if I just asked you for me, when I

930
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: look at that, I just say he was just draining

931
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: the guy. That's it. He was controlling, He was draining

932
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: probably a little bit of mental warfare involved, but in actuality,

933
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get you.

934
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: To if Connor's takedown defense was any good, I think

935
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways.

936
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: Right yeah, And also yeah, absolutely and grappling underneath is

937
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: he gonna show a guard? Like what hand is he

938
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: gonna show? And what kind of hand does he have?

939
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: Is he do seven off suit or whatever? And so

940
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: that was a lot It was just drain the guy,

941
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: see what he's got, blah blah blah, okay, and then

942
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: up the ante over the course of the fight. By

943
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: the time the fourth round came around, basically he won,

944
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: although you could say the third round was a good

945
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 2: run for Connor. Either way, that's what the first round

946
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: was about. I think Nemerga Madoff can probably do that,

947
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 2: even if it seems like he's stalling at times against Chandler.

948
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: I think that's an opportunity for him. And here's the thing.

949
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: If you going back and watch the first Benson Henderson

950
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: fight with Michael Chandler, by the end there, Chandler was

951
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: taking it. Excuse me, Henderson was taking it to him

952
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: in the wrestling department, not because I think he's a

953
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: better outright wrestler, but because Chandler is just foot on

954
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: the gas at all times. He tends to drain pretty

955
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 2: quickly relative to what he is in the gas tank.

956
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: So if they get if he's able to stay safe,

957
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: which I think he can, Nemerga made off and then

958
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: take the fight late. I just feel like he's gonna

959
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: wear the guy down and eventually overwhelm him. It's the

960
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: Justin fight that is a little bit more interesting. Now.

961
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: Justin I still think is a bit more of a

962
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 2: refined product. And we saw and the Tony fight was

963
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: able to manage his resources over the course of the fight.

964
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I put up this video yesterday BC. I

965
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: just readt diference. Here's one thing I noticed in the numbers.

966
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: If you looked at the average output that Justin Getchie

967
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: had in his first three fights for rounds that would

968
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: go the full five minutes, right, he was landing anywhere

969
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: between fifty or more shots a fight around excuse me, landing,

970
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: throwing more landing. That many his numbers have come way down,

971
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: but not qualitatively. In fact, qualitatively they've gone up. He

972
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: has reduced the amount he is throwing to make better

973
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: choices about it. Chandler, I think has come along a

974
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: little bit in that way. I've not looked at his

975
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: numbers to be sure, but I don't think he's come

976
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: as far along. The only thing is Justin's going to

977
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: accommodate him in the stand up, and I think obviously

978
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: there'll be some wrestling involved on Chandler's part, so that's

979
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a winnable fight I think

980
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: for Chandler. If you're asking me where he stands BC,

981
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: i'd love to know. In your part, I'm gonna put

982
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 2: him somewhere currently in the top five of the UFC,

983
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: But where in that pecking order that part I can't say, Yeah, well.

984
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 3: I mean, what's the highest you could rank him, sort

985
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: of on the idea of the eye test and ability

986
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: against those guys four or five at the highest something

987
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 3: like that that might even be generous. Look, let's be honest,

988
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: let's be really honest and shed all skin here. When

989
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: Eddie Alvarez moved from Bellator to UFC, I was feeling

990
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 3: the Bellator stigma to a degree, the idea that you're

991
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: facing consistently lesser quality opposition compared to the UFC, and

992
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: I thought Eddie, as a guy in love with brawling,

993
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 3: was going to be too vulnerable to have monster success

994
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: in the UFC. When he went in there in a

995
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: tough but largely technical fight against Cowboy and his debut

996
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: and lost, I was like, you know, that kind of

997
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 3: tells you who he is. Now. Look to Eddie's credit,

998
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: he retooled and then he knocked out RDA and won

999
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: the damn title. So what do I know. I'm not

1000
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: going to sit here and tell you that, you know,

1001
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: Chandler's just a bellator guy. Rewatch his last fight against

1002
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: Benson Henderson. In the rematch and his final bellator contracted bout.

1003
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: I mean, he blew him away in like in your

1004
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: face impressive style. But we are talking about the deepest,

1005
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: most dangerous division in history. I don't really know if

1006
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: he's better than future champion Kevin Lee. I don't really

1007
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 3: know if he could beat somebody as hard ass of

1008
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: a gatekeeper as Paul Felder on the elite level. I

1009
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: don't know, Luke, if he's not any better than the

1010
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: sixth or seventh lightweight in the world at the moment.

1011
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. I mean, it's so many unknowns

1012
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: with him. We talk about the unknowns between Gayshee and

1013
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: Nimigamadov and their unique styles and how they match, and

1014
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: we can't really say you add that times like I'm

1015
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 2: gonna say a thousand. But there's just another layer of

1016
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: complexity when someone's coming over from another organization, especially this

1017
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 2: late in their career where they're thirty four years of age,

1018
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: It's like you're a fully mature guy and we've not

1019
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: really seen you. There's some overlap, right the Eddie fights

1020
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: and some other ones as well, but there's just not

1021
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 2: a lot the Henderson fights and you know, but the

1022
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: Henderson that was over there is at the same one.

1023
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: What does that say anymore? It's just so many unknowns.

1024
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: I just feel like if nimergamyde falls out, that's much

1025
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 2: better for Chandler's chances than the opposite. But I guess

1026
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: we'll have to see.

1027
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 3: Luke real quick. Future UFC champion Kevin Lee put out

1028
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 3: a video that we'll probably see and have you seen

1029
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: this shit on Monday? About it? The back of the

1030
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: skull tattoo design. Does that do anything negatively to your

1031
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: vision of him eventually hoisting gold one day? What's going

1032
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: on here, Luke?

1033
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: Not necessarily for one reason two reasons. One most tattoos

1034
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: are bad, the vast majority of them. There's almost like

1035
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: it's better now with Instagram because you can do a

1036
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: lot more due diligence. But most tattoos are bad. Most

1037
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: people have no idea what a good tattoo looks like.

1038
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: And Kevin Lee, I don't love the idea of tattooing

1039
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: what he's tattooing. But the guy he's getting to do

1040
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: it is mega talented, super super super super high level. Right,

1041
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: He's getting the Cordy Sandhagen or something of tattoo our

1042
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: artists to do that work. So here's what I'll say,

1043
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: for tattooing purposes, he could be doing a lot worse.

1044
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say. I come from a you know,

1045
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 3: an era and an area where if you got tattoos

1046
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 3: above the neck line, if you got them on your hand,

1047
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: if you got them on your face, you crazy. So

1048
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: maybe maybe this will make him crazy enough to max out,

1049
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: you know.

1050
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: But don't you feel like don't you feel like like

1051
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 2: that's gone away a lot? I mean I see people

1052
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: with like tattoos on their hands and throat, even their face.

1053
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: Now the face one is still a little bit like

1054
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: I've got a line of I've had an occupation you

1055
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: can't be too sure of, but I've definitely seen the

1056
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: neck tattoos, you know, and then people will go get

1057
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: like tailor made's, you go boss suits and they kind

1058
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: of have this like, you know, contrast of styles thing

1059
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: going on. I don't know, I see a lot of that. Guy.

1060
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: I guess it's hard for me to have this dated take, right,

1061
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 3: you know, because everybody in UFC has tattoos everywhere. Okay,

1062
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: so too if I wasn't afraid of needles, look maybe maybe.

1063
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: Okay year old two forty year old dads question tattoos

1064
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: of young people.

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00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: Look, there's a I mean look, spiders in black licorice

1066
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: in needles. There are three things I just don't need

1067
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 3: in my life.

1068
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: All right. I'm actually getting a tattoo next month. Okay,

1069
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: of what whoa whoa?

1070
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: Stop depressions of what.

1071
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 2: I'm getting the on my forearm, maybe all the way

1072
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: up to the shoulder. We'll see how big it actually

1073
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: ends up being. I'm getting a Marine Corps tattoo, all right.

1074
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 3: I was thinking about getting Canelo's wife's eyes right here.

1075
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?

1076
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: Look? Yeah, and then you could put her smile beneath

1077
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: it and you could do one of those numbers.

1078
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

1079
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: Okay, last thing on UFC two fifty four. There's not

1080
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about it, and I'm a little

1081
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 2: bit unsure why. And then BC, I saw the odds

1082
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: and I'll be honest, don't agree with him. Could be

1083
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: totally wrong.

1084
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: Rise, I'm shocked. I was gonna ask you about that.

1085
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me set this up. The I guess

1086
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: the co main event for UFC two fifty four Jared

1087
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: cannon Air taking on Robert Whittaker. The odds makers, lady

1088
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 2: and gentlemen have this as a pickham, which is to say,

1089
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 2: from there standpoint, they basically view either guy as having

1090
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 2: a roughly equal chance.

1091
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: In fact, no, they got Cannoneers the favorite, William Hiller

1092
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 3: are barely.

1093
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: But it's mostly pick him. There are a couple places

1094
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: where if you can find a underdog barely, it is

1095
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: Robert Whittaker. First of all, BC, don't agree at all.

1096
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: Second of all, what are they seeing that we are not?

1097
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: Necessarily so I was gonna spin that on you and

1098
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: set it up like this, Luke, I'm not doubting that

1099
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: Cannoneer has got monster power, you know, former, have you

1100
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 3: a that power for power?

1101
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: You know?

1102
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: Maybe he's more destructive than Robert Whittaker. But here's my thing, Luke,

1103
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 3: have we seen a more well rounded, technical, yet also

1104
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: long suffering, badass, great chin type of fighter on the

1105
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 3: elite level than Robert Whittaker. And typically in these type

1106
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: of matchups, when you have two elite guys who are

1107
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 3: who both can take a punch and deliver it, you

1108
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: tend to lean toward the guy with better top end

1109
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 3: experience and better you know, strike resistance. So look for

1110
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: me as a close Robert Whitaker observer, as a respector

1111
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: of what he does. I was nervous on this comeback

1112
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: trail of who he would be in that Darren Till fight. Right,

1113
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: is the fighting heart in the same place is the

1114
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 3: punch resistance? Still there is everything? Because he burned himself out.

1115
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 3: He also went through ten rounds of freaking hell against

1116
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 3: that piece of iron. All right, Joel Romero, I thought

1117
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: against Darren Till, even though it was completely a technical

1118
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: point fight, that he answered all of my questions. He

1119
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 3: ate some big shots. He's back more or less. Could

1120
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: he ever beat out of Signy in a rematch? I

1121
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: don't know. I think eventually we'll find out, though I

1122
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: think you know ability to ability. He's the favorite in

1123
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: this fight. Canoner is dangerous, but he's also coming off

1124
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: the layoff. We've also seen him solve to a certain degree.

1125
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if I believe in the power of

1126
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: them damn crystals, but I'll reserve judgment, Luke. He has

1127
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: a chance to win this fight and get into a

1128
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: fight without Asanya. Yes, Cannoneer's a badass, but Robert Whittaker

1129
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 3: has all the boxes checked. Am I wrong, Luke?

1130
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I mean, here's why Kennaneer at middleweight,

1131
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: we would both agree that's so far and away the

1132
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: best version of himself. It's not even funny, not merely

1133
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: because I think it's the appropriate size. He looks like

1134
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 2: a goddamn I mean, he's built like a brick shitthouse

1135
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: at that weight class, first of all, But more than that,

1136
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: he has matured in his talent. He has really ironed

1137
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: out a lot of the problems and he's really built

1138
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 2: up a lot of the skills. So I take him seriously.

1139
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is not some winnable fight for him.

1140
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: It's super super winnable. I just don't understand the odds

1141
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: saying that this is more or less even, or that

1142
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 2: Whittaker deserves to be taken as the underdog. That's the

1143
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: part that I can't quite wrap my head around. And

1144
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: here's why. To the extent, not so much early, but

1145
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: let's say through his light heavyweight campaign, to the extent

1146
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: that he had any problems, part of it was Glover

1147
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: to share a wrestling him. Okay, is that the biggest

1148
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: threat from Robert Whittaker. He can wrestle, I think better

1149
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: than most people assume, but I wouldn't say that's the

1150
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: predominant threat, and I think you'd probably agree with that.

1151
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: The thing that you can also point to, though, is

1152
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: the guys who had let's say clever angles and timing

1153
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: and I won't say unorthodox strikes, but didn't had somewhat

1154
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: less conventional skill sets. They gave him problems, Dominic gray

1155
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 2: As being chief among them. Well, Jesus Christ, that's Robert Whittaker.

1156
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 2: Only you're gonna add distance and speed to the equation.

1157
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: I don't understand exactly what the oddsmakers are seeing. Now.

1158
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: If I had to think about a realistic path for

1159
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: Jared Cannoneer. Maybe he could corral him, make it a

1160
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: close in fight, but the risk control, the hand fighting,

1161
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 2: the clinch breaking of someone like Whittaker is very good.

1162
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: The other one that was sort of leg kicking and

1163
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: intercepting Whittaker as he blitzes in. But to me it

1164
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: was like BC, he had a little bit of a

1165
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: too hot performance. Just you recklessly charged, not recklessly, but

1166
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: he wasn't as considerate as he should have been charging

1167
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: into Adasania. He was a little bit too cold against Till.

1168
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 2: To me, I think we might find that Goldilocks found

1169
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 2: just the right measure and heat on that porridge when

1170
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: he takes on Jared Kennoneer, who I don't think has

1171
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: some of the things to give him problems in the

1172
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: way that Till or Autasanya did.

1173
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, somebody's been sitting in my chair? Is that

1174
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: wh we're going with this? I'll say, Luke, that Vegas

1175
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: is not, you know, impervious to being wrong. But when

1176
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 3: a line surprises you like this, they tend to know something.

1177
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: Did they see things in that Till fight that I

1178
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: didn't In about Whittaker's potential vulnerability, I'm not sure because

1179
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: the only way I think you would you would have

1180
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 3: him as the underdog is if he was rocked or

1181
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: wobbled or you said, look, I think he's you know,

1182
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: he's made made out of plastic. Now you can and

1183
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1184
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: I think I think what they would say. I think

1185
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: what they would say is, and maybe I'm wrong. My

1186
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: hunch is what they would say is he was too hesitant.

1187
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 2: He got dropped, and Till was injured in the portion

1188
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: of the fight where he did the best, and so

1189
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 2: you can't really say he's really back back. He got

1190
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 2: a terrible loss to Attasanya and a very very luckyish,

1191
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 2: workman like ish decision against Till. I think that's their

1192
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: the way they're thinking, but I don't agree with that.

1193
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: Basically, the difference between you and I, though, Luke, is

1194
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 3: I'll take the l I'll tell you I'm wrong after

1195
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 3: the fact, but right now I think I'm right. I

1196
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: got Robert ker Whittaker, Robert kerr Whittaker, Wow, pulling out

1197
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 3: a decision in a probably a fun fight, probably a

1198
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 3: fight with some damage in there, because that's what Bobby

1199
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 3: Knuckles does.

1200
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: Bro Oh, we see, neither of us have problems admitting

1201
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: we're wrong because we do an entire segment devoted to it.

1202
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: What I don't like doing is just masturbating in front

1203
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: of the audience's face by telling them I can read

1204
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: into a crystal ball. That's what I don't like doing.

1205
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: But okay, that guy who just did that exact thing

1206
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: on a zoom.

1207
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: Call, Jeffrey Tuban. Jeffrey Tuban got caught touching himself on

1208
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: a zoom call. And the guy works at the New Yorker.

1209
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: Somebody surely has recorded this video. I don't need to

1210
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 2: see the ending of it, but I want to see

1211
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: the setup to it, like yesterday, Please, with the love

1212
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: of God, send that around, make that viral. I love

1213
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: that man, hero. All right?

1214
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: I wonder what Jay does below the waste camera here.

1215
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: No, probably lament his existence and why God cursed him.

1216
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: All right, with that in mind, BC take it away.

1217
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: All right? Every Wednesday we talk about the real street

1218
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: beefs that matter. If you will, it's that's j W

1219
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 3: Social Justice Wednesday, a roundup of the back and forth

1220
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: between public figures in the fight game on the social webs.

1221
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: Do we don't have any ardor intro on this? Right?

1222
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: There?

1223
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 3: We go?

1224
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look at that. Bring hold on, hold on,

1225
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: hold on, Can you throw the graphic up one more time?

1226
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: For gaff who's running the show? Can you throw it

1227
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: up one more time? No, that's the other one. That's

1228
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: the fans omissions. I want to see the one for SGW.

1229
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 2: Look at these two losers with their hands. Could we

1230
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: look could we look less intimidating if we tried.

1231
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 3: That was from a nice photo shoot we had back

1232
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: when we were allowed in the studio. Rumor has it, Luke,

1233
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: I don't want to tip the dick too early. Rumor

1234
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: has it we may be back in that studio sooner

1235
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 3: than later.

1236
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: Interesting Rumor's see what happened?

1237
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 3: All right, here we go. Let's start off with our

1238
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: first one. We'll bring in Judge Fauci over here to

1239
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: rule on it. But Paulo costan is limited English took

1240
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 3: to the interwebs, and then Anthony Rubbel Johnson went from

1241
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 3: zero to in your a hole in like four seconds.

1242
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 3: Here we go. Boat China basically says on Twitter, rum well, well,

1243
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 3: Rumble Johnson, shut up, moron, you don't even know which

1244
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 3: weight class you should fight. Rumble comes back with and

1245
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: I will try to say this for the people that

1246
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: only listen to the podcast. I don't do the talking

1247
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 3: back and forth. But the last BBC you did that

1248
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 3: to f your a at the end of Doggie's Style.

1249
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: Now your name is loose Booty. You want you must

1250
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: want missionary? Next? Uh wow? It goes on and on there, Luke.

1251
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: Boy, that got awfully specific in terms of man on

1252
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: man sex, didn't it.

1253
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: It's so reministion of that segment that that great key

1254
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 3: and peel comedic segment that somebody sent me of the

1255
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: boxing press conference. Do you know that one where the

1256
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 3: guys pretend to be Mike Tyson and he's like, I'm

1257
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 3: all Saturday night, I'm on if you and your ass,

1258
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 3: and then he just keeps going on and on, and

1259
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: finally the other guy's like, whoa, whoa, whoa bro Right,

1260
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

1261
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: No, I've not seen that, but it sounds amazing. Hey,

1262
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: when he says BBC, does he mean British Broadcasting Corporation

1263
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: or maybe something else?

1264
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 3: I think he means big beige Brian Campbell. I think

1265
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 3: that's where he.

1266
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: Was going with that. Yeah, maybe that's what he's talking about.

1267
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: I have no idea, I've something I've never seen that

1268
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: acronym before.

1269
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 3: Luke, is this a ko one or is this like

1270
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 3: whoa rumbull?

1271
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: Bro?

1272
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 3: Go back to the go back to the cannabis? Dude,

1273
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 3: like please can you? Can you? Yeah?

1274
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1275
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: I mean here's the thing. If he had stopped at

1276
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: the BBC, it would have been like just perfect, like

1277
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: just the right you know, amount of zing. And then

1278
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: he just went into like graphic prison details about all

1279
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: the ways it was going to effect him. I mean,

1280
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: I appreciate the uh, the spunk. You know, he's really

1281
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: he's feeling it. He's feeling the moment, but uh, a.

1282
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 3: Little oldmost like that moment in like high school, Luke,

1283
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 3: where everybody's kind of jokingly throwing jokes at each other

1284
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 3: by each other's mom and then like one dude with

1285
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 3: the trench code and the Cannibal corpse t shirt stands

1286
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 3: up and like knocks the dude right out, and you're like,

1287
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 3: whoa bro, Yeah, you know.

1288
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought we were just I thought we were

1289
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 2: just playing. And it's like, not to the trench Coat mafia,

1290
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: you're not You're not doing that.

1291
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: No, not to corpse grinder and his guitar friend. By

1292
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 3: the way, can you just here's your moment. Go ahead, Luke.

1293
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: Everyone's people sent me five thousand times in my DMS

1294
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: about that guitarist for Cannibal Corpse. That's not new news.

1295
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, it's not new news. And the song lists

1296
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: that they put on there, two of them were made

1297
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 2: up two and four because they were like, I have

1298
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: skulls in my closet. Come check, those are not real

1299
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: song titles.

1300
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 3: Are you down with that guy having actual human skulls

1301
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 3: in his classic? I mean, look, that's a little bit.

1302
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I don't want to be friends with

1303
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: anybody who's like that. But I don't know if you

1304
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: know this. You can just buy those legally.

1305
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: You do know that, right, No, I don't check the

1306
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 3: dark web for human skulls, very dark web.

1307
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: You could just buy it online normally. You don't even

1308
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: have to go to the weird part of the web.

1309
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: You can buy everything he had in his house. Well,

1310
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if he had it legally because he

1311
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: had a shitload of firearms, so who knows what the

1312
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: permits are and that kind of thing. But like everything

1313
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 2: he had is technically able to be purchased quite legally,

1314
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 2: so he is a weirdo.

1315
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 3: And one day when I do sneak up behind you

1316
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 3: and produce if you don't tap Luke, that you could

1317
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 3: find one of your organs on the black market that

1318
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 3: I will sell it if.

1319
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: I wake up in a bathtub full of ice. You

1320
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 2: know that'll be very not nice of you.

1321
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 3: So back to Anthony Johnson. I think he wins this, right.

1322
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: Judge, Yes, although I would caution the defendant in this case,

1323
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: because the plaintiff would be Bohashina. I would say, hey, fella,

1324
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: you'll win. Maybe ease up off the gas pedal a

1325
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: little bit there, huh.

1326
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, let's not I mean, do you really want

1327
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 3: that smoke? Do you really want to be in there

1328
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 3: at two five against this absolute monster? Speaking of the monster, Luke,

1329
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 3: we've talked about this before. The guy's been teasing the

1330
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 3: comeback for like two years now. I know he's officially

1331
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 3: in the drug testing pool. Now when and in what

1332
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 3: weight class? Because I feel like if Rumble says yes,

1333
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 3: I'm ready, I don't need a tune up fight. I

1334
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 3: want to see him against John Joe. I want see

1335
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 3: him against everyone.

1336
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 2: Luke, Yeah, I would say at this point two I mean,

1337
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: i'd prefer two five because I think he could be

1338
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: champion there. But I'm not gonna be picky. Here's what

1339
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 2: I'll say, whatever one he can get too healthy and

1340
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: compete at I have lived through many stages of rumble

1341
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: not making weight, so let's just worry about that.

1342
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: All right. All right, I'm down with that number two.

1343
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 3: On the SJ double you this week, Luke, we know

1344
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 3: Tayo Fimo Lopez sort of became the undisputed lightweight champion

1345
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 3: except for the WBC's clown show that they have that

1346
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,919
Speaker 3: second title out there that the great rising young star

1347
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 3: Devin Haney holds. So we had a nice little back

1348
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 3: and forth. We have audio and visual elements this week

1349
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 3: to show you how this thing played down. Devin Haney

1350
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 3: first before the fight, saying he doesn't think anyone mentioned

1351
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 3: his name because you know, I don't think they did.

1352
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 3: I think this was all about undisputed, which I get why.

1353
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 3: Either that's a joke or it's kind of real. At

1354
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 3: the same time, look, the WBC, all the alphabets are jokes.

1355
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 3: Let's let's build that foundation. Okay, thank you. Moving on then,

1356
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 3: Devin Haney, I believe, yeah, Loma too small to.

1357
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: A couple of couple of o's they're missing on the

1358
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 2: uh the.

1359
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 3: They are fighters, right, all right, let's keep going, Haiti

1360
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 3: saying I've been said Lomo was whack Okay, onto the

1361
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 3: next one, Lopez versus Hainy twenty twenty one, Let's do

1362
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 3: it all the belts. Hey, I'm down for it, bro,

1363
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 3: if you can make it work on your end, if

1364
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 3: Eddie Herarnt really wants it. Now here's in the post

1365
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 3: fight press conference, Tayo Lopez responding to him, it's.

1366
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 4: Just for banking, right, just to shut him up and

1367
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 4: destroy his career. That's really what it is. I don't care.

1368
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 4: That's the type of person I am. I ain't here

1369
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 4: to uh, I'm not here to see another fighter there

1370
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 4: build up his career. If he wants to take that

1371
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 4: step and fight, I'm I'm happy, more than happy to

1372
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,439
Speaker 4: just take him out that route of what everybody's talking about,

1373
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 4: saying the next floor me with it and stuff like that. Yeah,

1374
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 4: get out of here with that bullshit. And for everyone

1375
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 4: else out there, man, everybody's career is cherry picking. Davis,

1376
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 4: why are you finding Leo Santa Cruz for what? That's

1377
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 4: a one thirty pound or one twenty six pounds. That's

1378
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 4: sad man. And you guys hype these guys up for

1379
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 4: so many things. But it's okiddy, it's okay.

1380
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: Just put him in.

1381
01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 4: Front of me and I'll beat him.

1382
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 3: Luke. How about the spite there of Lopez to basically

1383
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 3: say yeah, I want to do it, only to ruin

1384
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 3: his career. This is interesting. Now, they did have a

1385
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 3: little bit of a FaceTime, which I thought was really cool.

1386
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: Afterwards he and he also put out there on Twitter

1387
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 3: that he kind of called Lopez a ant. You know,

1388
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 3: the first asterisk gun disput a champion, because anytime you

1389
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 3: look at who's the champion on the website, there's the

1390
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 3: weird asterisk because of this stupid franchise champion. Luke, I

1391
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 3: want to sit here and tell you there we go there,

1392
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 3: it is right there. I want to sit here and

1393
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 3: tell you again that it's not likely to happen. Even

1394
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 3: though some fans came at me, they're like, no, Andy,

1395
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: Hearn said he could, well, what about the zone, bro,

1396
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 3: what's their opinion in this situation? Are we building toward

1397
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 3: it here?

1398
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 2: Luke?

1399
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 3: Can we can? I just be optimistic? Are we building

1400
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 3: toward it here?

1401
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: I am not interested in the fight. I don't think

1402
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: it's very competitive. Sorry, I mean, maybe I'm maybe I'm crazy.

1403
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 2: I know you're high on Devin Haney. You've been saying

1404
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 2: it for a while now, and I've watched him. Please

1405
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 2: don't misunderstand me. I think he is very, very talented.

1406
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 2: But if they fought in twenty twenty one versus let's

1407
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: say twenty two or twenty three, I think Lopez wipes

1408
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 2: the floor with him. I don't think this is competitive

1409
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: even a little bit.

1410
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 3: That'd be interesting to see. You're getting me fired up.

1411
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 3: You're getting me fired up by the way. I love

1412
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 3: that they're talking to each other. Because at the end

1413
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 3: of the day, Luke, if you want the promoters and

1414
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 3: networks to bend and go to the old school ways

1415
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 3: of I don't care who you're promoted by. I don't

1416
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 3: care what network deal you have. This fight's great. Let's

1417
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 3: make it. It has to be the fighters pushing the agenda.

1418
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 3: When they do that, things happen.

1419
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: Okay, lou what is I'm not I've not heard it,

1420
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 2: because again I've been gone for the boxing beat for

1421
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: a few years. What is uh? What does Bob Aerram

1422
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 2: say about Dezone?

1423
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 3: Oh, he pisses on them, yeahs on everyone.

1424
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know he pisses on showtime. But does

1425
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: he piss on does he piss on Eddie Hearn? Do

1426
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: they got beef? No?

1427
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 3: But I mean at times, look at the right time,

1428
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 3: Bob will piss on anyone. That's just the way it works. Okay,

1429
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 3: Now he's all pro al HAYMANBC because the the fury

1430
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 3: while their first.

1431
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 2: We should we should mention this. I told you this,

1432
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 2: and you already kind of assumed it was a like

1433
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: a thing that everyone knew, but I didn't realize this.

1434
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 2: Do you remember that famous interview that Ariel Jjwani did

1435
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 2: a Yankee stadium? I think it was when Codo fought.

1436
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 2: Was it Salida? I forget who you are? That's it? Sorry,

1437
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 2: And they did it a Yankee. This was the original

1438
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: Yankee Stadium and or maybe the new one. I can't

1439
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 2: remember anymore. But it was outdoors and Ariel's interviewing him

1440
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 2: and Bob Aram says, MMA is a bunch of skinheads

1441
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: rolling around blah blah blah blah blah.

1442
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 3: Okay, skinhead people watching skinhead fighters inside the cagas.

1443
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 2: And Ariel took offense to it because obviously he is Jewish,

1444
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: which you know, the whole Bob's claims are ridiculous.

1445
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 3: It's not like Bob Jewish too. Bob's also Jewish too.

1446
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, but I think the way in which

1447
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 2: Ariel had took an taken offense to it was perfectly

1448
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: legitimate in that particular case. Here's my point. It's not

1449
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 2: about the beef. It's that that claim, the skinhead thing

1450
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 2: I have received. I will say I am very lucky.

1451
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 2: I have received mostly positive feedback from within the boxing

1452
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: community about my boxing coverage knock on Wood because I

1453
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 2: try to be very limited in what I say. I don't,

1454
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 2: I don't I try. I try to just stick to

1455
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 2: the straight and narrow because I've got a lot of

1456
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 2: homework to do given my absence. But I've noticed that

1457
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 2: when I do get any pushback, everybody references that Bob

1458
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,839
Speaker 2: Aram's statement that oh, this is the guy who watches

1459
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 2: the skinhead sport trying to come over to boxing BC.

1460
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 2: Did Bob Aram have like the zing of a lifetime

1461
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,560
Speaker 2: that just stuck around in the boxing community. Have you

1462
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 2: all been calling MMA fans an MM fighter skinheads who

1463
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: just roll around on the ground all.

1464
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 3: This time, yes and no, yes in some circles of

1465
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 3: hardcore fans, but I'm actually Rafe Barthelomew and I on

1466
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 3: the CBS Sports Rip the in this Corner and then

1467
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 3: the State of Combat Boxing podcast. We have a soundboard Luke,

1468
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 3: which is the third member of our show, and that

1469
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 3: soundboard of Bob saying that to Ariel what is arguably

1470
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 3: the most played one to the degree of when I'm

1471
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 3: referencing an MMA fight, like Hey, Rafe, you're gonna check

1472
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 3: out two fifty the skinhead fight this weekend two fifty four.

1473
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 3: We now, you know my audience refers to MMA as skinheads.

1474
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 3: This is the skinhead sport. So you're seeing a lot

1475
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 3: of my boxing audience reply to you and basically say,

1476
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 3: Luke is pulling me, apart away from boxing him deeper

1477
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 3: into skinheads. It's a running joke. We also used the

1478
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 3: sound of when Ariel interviewed Bob last year and in

1479
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 3: aeros like Bob, what do you think now all these

1480
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 3: years later about the He's like, what do you want

1481
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 3: me to say? MMA is a great sport? Now? I

1482
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 3: think it's trash. I think it's you know, it's it's fantastic.

1483
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 2: Curmudgeonly old Bob. All right, very good? What else do

1484
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,759
Speaker 2: we have for SJ. Dubbs?

1485
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 3: Not necessarily looking for your ruling on this, Luke, but

1486
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 3: this is all over the interwebs.

1487
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 2: Sorry.

1488
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 3: Mike Perry's ex wife, Danielle Nickerson, the tennis pro, has

1489
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 3: come forward with allegation zachiations about domestic abuse during their

1490
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 3: short marriage and their longer relationship, and also tapes were

1491
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 3: acquired I believe by having made Junkie of the nine

1492
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 3: to one to one call in which Perry's mother protected

1493
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 3: Nickerson against her own son. Certainly a bad look and

1494
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,799
Speaker 3: a bad situation. Mike Perry did take to the social

1495
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 3: webs to say that it never happened that he did

1496
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 3: have an issue with alcohol, but he's working on that

1497
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 3: along with his anger issues as he's expecting his firstborn child.

1498
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 3: We also know that he does send old guys to

1499
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 3: hell and bars when he gets the chance, Luke. I

1500
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 3: bring this up because it's news. More or less. Nickerson

1501
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 3: did tell in an extended interview with MMA Junkie that

1502
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 3: she doesn't believe she has the power to negatively hurt

1503
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 3: Mike's career by going public with this. She's not doing

1504
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 3: it for that. She's only doing it really to help

1505
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 3: other women and let let her story be heard. Do

1506
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 3: you have any reaction to this. It's unfortunate at that.

1507
01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say this. They're all at usations. He's innocent

1508
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: until proven guilty, which I don't think he's been charged

1509
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 2: with a crime. But you know, you have to remember

1510
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 2: that that at the same time, the accusations and you

1511
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: look at the evidence, it seems quite credible. I never

1512
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 2: know what to do with these things. You know. In

1513
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 2: the case of Greg Hardy, it was a little bit

1514
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 2: easier because in that situation he had changed. He had

1515
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 2: basically been when he washed out of the NFL, in

1516
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: part because he just couldn't get his life together, not

1517
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 2: because he yes, his play had dropped off, but it

1518
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 2: was more than just that. And then on top of it,

1519
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 2: it had worked its way through the totality of the

1520
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 2: court system, right and in the end, the accuser didn't

1521
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 2: show up, which is very common even when they're the

1522
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 2: defendant is guilty, because they just don't want to go

1523
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 2: through with it. It's a very complicated process. But the point

1524
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 2: is it had reached them, It had reached them finality

1525
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: or even near finality anyway, and this one there's no charges.

1526
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 2: It's just kind of floating out there. Did anyone at

1527
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: yesterday's presser ask the UFC about this? Maybe they will

1528
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 2: at the postfight presser to Dana, I don't.

1529
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 3: Think details are gruesome. They're like, yeah, yah, they're bad.

1530
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 2: I mean, broke, broken ribs, the whole nine thing. You

1531
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 2: can hear the nine to one one call from them up.

1532
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 2: Like I said, the accusations for whatever you want to say,

1533
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 2: they seem quite credible. If this was the NFL, here's

1534
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 2: what happened. Let's say he played for my I can't

1535
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 2: stand them anymore, but my beloved Washington football team. They'd

1536
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: release them like that. They'd release them. But here's what

1537
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: would happened. He would just spend time being released before

1538
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 2: someone picked them up off of waivers later on, and

1539
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 2: then he would go through some kind of rehabilitative process

1540
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. In other words, that wouldn't get

1541
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: him kicked out of the NFL. It would just get

1542
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 2: him kicked off the current team that he's on so

1543
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 2: the team can look better and then the new team

1544
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: can say, hey, we were going to launder this process

1545
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 2: by blah blah blah, pr this and pr that. So

1546
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 2: does he deserve to lose his job? On the one hand,

1547
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 2: it's like there are no criminal charges and if you

1548
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 2: can't fight in the cage in this country, I'm not

1549
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 2: sure what you can do. On the other hand, Holy shit, man,

1550
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: this these this is bad. It's very, very bad and serious.

1551
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 2: And I.

1552
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 3: Think you identified an interesting part of the debate or

1553
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 3: the discussion here. It certainly it's bad. And because of

1554
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 3: Mike Perry's actions publicly that are true that we've seen,

1555
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: it's it's not hard to believe that this could be

1556
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 3: the case innocent until proven guilty, obviously, But Luke, remember

1557
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 3: when Billy Joe Saunders made that stupid remark and he

1558
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 3: put that video out of him teaching you how to

1559
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 3: hit women, And I made the knee jerk reaction of

1560
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 3: he should lose the Canalo fight for that that because look,

1561
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 3: it's ridiculous in twenty twenty or any year to be

1562
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 3: putting that out publicly. I do I'll take the l

1563
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 3: I do admit that was a knee jerk sort of

1564
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 3: like offensive reaction when I think you're right about the

1565
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 3: fact that if this were a team sport guys would

1566
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 3: just lose their jobs. Even if they get another one

1567
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 3: after that, they're gonna they're gonna pay a price. Look

1568
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 3: at combat sports, you don't seem to pay that price

1569
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 3: for better or for worse. I mean, you know, Floyd

1570
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 3: got sentenced to jail in twenty twelve for don't domestic

1571
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 3: abuse in the state of Nevada allowed him to delay

1572
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 3: his jail sentence so they could make the money off

1573
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 3: the Miguel Coto pay per view fight before that, and look,

1574
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 3: full disclosure, Gervonte Davis just had a video out there

1575
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 3: in which he may or may not have struck a woman,

1576
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 3: it's hard to fully tell. And he's gonna have a

1577
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 3: pay per view fight in a couple, you know, next week.

1578
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,839
Speaker 3: That's a big deal. So it seems in combat sports

1579
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 3: that it's not the same standard as you know, team sports.

1580
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 3: Either way, not a great look. I hope the best

1581
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 3: for coach Littori and Mike Perry that they can, you know,

1582
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 3: live a peaceful, uneventful life and move forward from this.

1583
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 2: Mike says he's on the straight and narrow, which whether

1584
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 2: he did do those things or he didn't, I certainly

1585
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 2: hope that's the case, because even if you take this

1586
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: situation completely out of it, you know, listen, the old

1587
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: man in the bar shouldn't have put his hands on Mike.

1588
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: But Mike Scott at least up to that point. We'll

1589
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 2: see what kind of life he's gonna live going forward.

1590
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: You know, the dude's got anger issues. He gets mad

1591
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 2: when Till trolls him on social media, which has to

1592
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 2: be annoying. You know what. The level he goes to

1593
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: is kind of over the top. And then you're punching.

1594
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 2: Just don't be punching old dudes and in bars. You

1595
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 2: shouldn't be doing it. You know, this is this is

1596
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 2: if true, categorically you know, much much worse. But it's like,

1597
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: does the let me just say this before we end

1598
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 2: on this, does the audience even care? And not that

1599
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 2: not that the audience caring or not caring is the

1600
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 2: thing that we should say matters the most, or the

1601
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: media caring or not caring is the thing that matters

1602
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 2: the most. I'm not saying either group has a purchase

1603
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 2: on the truth, but there is something to be said

1604
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 2: for the fact that like I just don't see the

1605
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I think portions of the audience care I

1606
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,799
Speaker 2: think wide swaths of it don't, even if they believe

1607
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 2: it to some extent, and I don't know what to

1608
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 2: do with that.

1609
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 3: Tough situation altogether. It maybe brings more to light why

1610
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 3: Mike sent me to hell on my own podcasts and

1611
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:45,839
Speaker 3: hung up with me when I brought up.

1612
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there's been times I want to hang

1613
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 2: up on you on this show, but I have, you know,

1614
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: obligations to it. So I understand Mike at least in

1615
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 2: terms of that.

1616
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,839
Speaker 3: Hey, can we go to the fun segment at least transition.

1617
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: Let's let's transition in too, like a fun little thing. Here,

1618
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: go ahead, it's good sir. All right.

1619
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 3: Just a reminder, we have moved this to Wednesday. Every

1620
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 3: Wednesday it's fan submission Hour, so please hit us up

1621
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 3: at more It's Morningcombat at gmail dot com, or continue

1622
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 3: to slide into my dms. We're talking about pictures with

1623
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 3: MK Merch. We're talking about your artistic creations. We care

1624
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 3: about you, the audience, and you guys are some pretty

1625
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 3: talented weirdos. So let's run through this week's We start

1626
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 3: off with this a late addition to the pile. Luke

1627
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 3: from at Krackcoon or No at the underscore Krackcoon. Check

1628
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 3: out this are poster. Shout out to the Krackcoon here.

1629
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily Webscream level, but Luke, it's it's timely

1630
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 3: and it's fantastic.

1631
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 2: You know what. It makes sense too, because you're the

1632
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: one that choked out You're the You're Brendan right, the

1633
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 2: one who won the tournament and choked out Tom Hardy.

1634
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: But Tom Hardy was the former marine, So I gotta

1635
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 2: be that guy this guy did.

1636
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 3: It's got to be the guy with anger issues who

1637
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 3: hates everyone. Luke, I'm sorry, that's the way it is.

1638
01:17:58,280 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like it. I like it.

1639
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta be the hero at the end of

1640
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 3: the story, and I will headkick you even if you

1641
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 3: dislocate your shoulder, just like that.

1642
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: Look meet me at meet me at Sparta you get.

1643
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, please, well done there. And speaking of Webscream, look,

1644
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 3: I get backlogged with this guy's incredible art. I know

1645
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 3: he tweeted this out, but we never actually played this

1646
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 3: on our show. I want to give Webscream the full credit.

1647
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 3: When we had the Red Shoe Hotel Room Diary show

1648
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 3: going on that week, we did reference Gongham style and

1649
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 3: actually I think we sang it. So let's let's let's

1650
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 3: just watch Webstream's creation.

1651
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: It's gongam not gongam go bangam style.

1652
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 3: I don't know whatever.

1653
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 2: All right, is this what Anthony Johnson was referencing in

1654
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: this tweet?

1655
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, look, this is great stuff. Here is the

1656
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 3: old Cristo's Cristo four os, that Greek god of thunder

1657
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 3: and graphics. That guy's the best.

1658
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 2: That is. That's just look at you being all creep.

1659
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want more, you want more webscream in your life.

1660
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 3: Download the ways app and put it on Greek and

1661
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 3: you'll hear his voice, so shout out.

1662
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: He is. He is the guy who gives directions in

1663
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 2: Greek on the ways app. Can you believe it?

1664
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 3: I'm unbelievable. Let's move on to this fan submission here.

1665
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 3: It was this fella's birthday weekend at Saul is Beast

1666
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 3: on Instagram. So Luke for his birthday, he showed up

1667
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 3: in the MK merch and Luke, he has a request

1668
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 3: for you.

1669
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 2: Are you ready?

1670
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 3: You better call Saul. Here's what Saul says, Luke, please

1671
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 3: unblock me on Instagram at Saul is Beast. Okay, he's

1672
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 3: supporting us, Okay, you support him.

1673
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 2: First of all, this man has four cakes in front

1674
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 2: of him. One it looks like it has either mangoes

1675
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 2: or peaches I can't quite sell. Then he has one

1676
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 2: of those like Kroger cakes whatever, like the store bought ones,

1677
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 2: which by the way, I'm not hating on those are

1678
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 2: sugary and awesome. And then he's got another one just

1679
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 2: like it, except it's got words on it. While he's

1680
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 2: got a morning combat sweatshirt like the one I'm wearing,

1681
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 2: while BC this is the kicker, a blue ribbon and

1682
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 2: a mullet sal is beast, and my wife would say

1683
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 2: better call Seoul is living his best life.

1684
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 3: I was gonna say he kind of looks like Mike

1685
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 3: Piazza and a mullet. But I think at this time

1686
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 3: in the gym, Luke, he's filling out that that XL

1687
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 3: pretty well. I know you wear what a double xcel, Luke.

1688
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 3: I don't want to out you here.

1689
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 2: All right, that's what I'm a large man.

1690
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 3: All right, Shaw is so happy birthday, Saoul. Very well

1691
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 3: done there, I like, I love that guy. Please look

1692
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 3: unblock him and.

1693
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'll do it. I'll do it right, Actually,

1694
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 2: I'll do it right now.

1695
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 3: Can you make a deal with our people moving forward?

1696
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 3: What do they have to do? Is this the initiation

1697
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 3: fee to get you back.

1698
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 2: In the social life. I almost never block on Instagram.

1699
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 2: I block a lot on Twitter because Twitter is full

1700
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 2: of absolute savages. I rarely block on Instagram. So if

1701
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 2: you got blocked on Instagram, chances are you were fucking around.

1702
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 2: Here's a little rule of thumb for you. Don't be

1703
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: a dick and we won't have to worry about it.

1704
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 3: But all right, because I am sick of people pleading

1705
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 3: with me to ask you to unblock them on Twitter,

1706
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 3: Luke plead saying, look, bro, I subscribed, I like the video.

1707
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 3: What else do I have to do? Do I have

1708
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 3: to blow?

1709
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: Luke? Yes? Uh, soul is Beast is unblocked? How about

1710
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 2: that there?

1711
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 3: Thank you? Thank you soowl? Yes, all right, let's move

1712
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 3: on here, Luke. This is from at Idhaz on Instagram.

1713
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 3: I d has look check it out the Honkey donk Man.

1714
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 2: Yes, how am I wearing an Elevis outfit with me

1715
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 2: on the outfit also wearing an Elvis outfit? Uh?

1716
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 3: Luke, you may not know this, but the the eighties

1717
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 3: WWF legend. The Honky talk Man was inducted to the

1718
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 3: WWE Hall of Fame, I believe two years ago. And

1719
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 3: this was when he came out on raw to sort

1720
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 3: of or no, I think this is when he walked

1721
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 3: to the podium for at the ceremony. This was I

1722
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 3: believe at the Bark Play Center. And that is Jimmy

1723
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 3: Hart behind him. Who is you know, my head on

1724
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 3: top of the mouth.

1725
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 2: So the Hockey talk Man. He was good, huh. He

1726
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 2: was a good wrestler.

1727
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 3: He was the longest reigning Intercontinental champion in history. Do

1728
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 3: you remember he feuded with like Jake the Snake Roberts

1729
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 3: when we were in like third grade and wrestle I

1730
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 3: supposed to know that.

1731
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 2: No, he was an el person. I know about Andre

1732
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 2: the Giant, Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, and maybe a couple

1733
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 2: of other dudes.

1734
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 3: That's it, okay, okay. I think that's Jimmy Hart behind him,

1735
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,839
Speaker 3: who was his manager, or maybe that's Jeff.

1736
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 2: Ja By the way, you want to know what the

1737
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: greatest wrestling matches I've ever seen, And honestly, you know,

1738
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 2: I've never seen the Japanese stuff. So I'm going to

1739
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 2: give you a terrible answer, but I did think it

1740
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 2: was pretty good. Uh Macho Man versus Ricky the Dragon Steamboat.

1741
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 3: Yes, WrestleMania three my favorite match of all time, Luke.

1742
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what, that one's actually not so bad,

1743
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 2: not so bad.

1744
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 3: In fourteen minutes, in fifty nine seconds, there's twenty one

1745
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 3: pin combinations like attempts to win, Luke. That match is

1746
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 3: the blueprint that every other big match today is sort

1747
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 3: of built off of. On how you how you book

1748
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 3: a match? Amazing. Please read my twenty seventeen oral history

1749
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 3: on that match that I wrote for ESPN.

1750
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: But I don't care that much, but I find it

1751
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 2: reasonably entertaining.

1752
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 3: All right, Hey, let's go on here. From at yuzz

1753
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 3: light Beer on Instagram, he's common for the top prize, Luke.

1754
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 3: Look at this toy he created heroes of gou Jitsu

1755
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 3: Dinoh Thomas based on your weightlifting nickname, Luke.

1756
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 2: Well, it was Dino and that was why a couple

1757
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 2: of my instructors called me in jiu jitsu because I

1758
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,440
Speaker 2: was big and awkward. That is hilarious.

1759
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I think he has the same hair,

1760
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 3: the same facial hair as you. Right, with the salt

1761
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 3: and pepper.

1762
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 2: This Thomas certainly does. And uh, that's about it. That's

1763
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 2: about it.

1764
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna buy that for your for your young daughter.

1765
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 3: Luke at that toy. Okay, she likes.

1766
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 2: Ducks, that's what she likes.

1767
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 3: See here stretching the shit out of that? All right,

1768
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,879
Speaker 3: let's go on here. Hey, this is from Kevin lou

1769
01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 3: at the angloph blah blah blah on Instagram. Where's Jay

1770
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 3: when we need him? Back to the future connoisseur hair, Luke,

1771
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 3: what do you like?

1772
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 2: Do you like this?

1773
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 3: Mk R worker?

1774
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 2: Well, not quite tip to tip, but something else.

1775
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 3: But there's nothing to see here. There's just an old

1776
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 3: guy mount and a teenager from behind as they check

1777
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 3: how much longer it takes, Luke, that's you know, come on,

1778
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:21,839
Speaker 3: he's giving them the jigawat from behind.

1779
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 2: You know that movie right Listen, the eighties were at a

1780
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 2: different time. He just gotta let it rock.

1781
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 3: All right? Well done, right there? I did mention web scream. Look,

1782
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 3: he's not done this week because he's so good. This

1783
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 3: one also rules from the master himself. Luke, I think

1784
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 3: you're gonna like this one. The Red Heat movie poster. Luke, Yes,

1785
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 3: you're playing Arnold Swarzenegger. I'll play the role of Jim Belushi.

1786
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 3: That's it's a good ask movie, Luk.

1787
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 2: It's like, why does this Russian military officer or police officer,

1788
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 2: whichever one he was, why does he have an Austrian accent? Listen,

1789
01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 2: it's the eighties. Don't ask questions.

1790
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 3: Amazing, lushy roll, Well here in this show. So this

1791
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 3: is pretty.

1792
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 2: Webscream. I have to pay him for some services he

1793
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 2: read it, for some artwork I asked for. But send

1794
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 2: me this, please, sir, for free if you can, because

1795
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 2: I want to post that that is tremendous.

1796
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 3: It's about time, Luke, I take these posters down and

1797
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 3: put up all Webscream movie posters behind me.

1798
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 2: Well, wouldn't that be amazing if we just did one

1799
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 2: of those shows where everything in the back was like

1800
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 2: one all of his pieces of artwork.

1801
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 3: I think our massage parlor studio in Jersey, I think

1802
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 3: that's what that should be. Look by the way, you

1803
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 3: made an offhand comment on Monday show that on Sunday,

1804
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 3: true what I did to relax and unwind. My wife

1805
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 3: bought me a two thousand piece puzzle. I had Genesis

1806
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 3: in the airphones Luke and I went at that thing

1807
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 3: for about eight hours. Web Scream heard that story and

1808
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 3: he caught it. I don't care, Mara, Luke.

1809
01:25:53,040 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 2: Check it out. Oh that is awesome.

1810
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 3: I finished. Yep, yeah, yes, I Hey, how.

1811
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 2: Come you're wearing a you know, a unc tar heel

1812
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 2: blue underneath the worst plaid shirt in America.

1813
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 3: That's how old guys dress when they do puzzles of women.

1814
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,959
Speaker 2: Of Polish women. They pine after that is amazed.

1815
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:27,600
Speaker 3: Wow, well done, web Scream. But Luke, even Webscream's brilliance,

1816
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 3: I personally think got one up this week. I am

1817
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 3: ready to present to you my favorite piece of art.

1818
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 3: Don't play it please that has ever been sent our way, Luke.

1819
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 3: We don't really have a theme song, right, We got

1820
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 3: that opening graphic intro. There is a man in Denmark,

1821
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,680
Speaker 3: an eccentric gentleman that I never heard of before, but

1822
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 3: you say he's been in your life in the live

1823
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 3: chat for years. He goes by the name cal Mattisen.

1824
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 3: He has created the morning Combat theme song, written and

1825
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 3: performed I himself, Luke, this changed my life. I listened

1826
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 3: to it forty nine times. Here we go.

1827
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 2: When you wake inside and wan faste fide win.

1828
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 3: I'm shitting.

1829
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 2: Justified your dreams. I'm shitting blood while eating bags.

1830
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 3: See it's pretty happen you discovered.

1831
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 2: Is this like that prog rock you always telling me about?

1832
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,839
Speaker 3: Yet it is I only feeling I'm doing your Morning

1833
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 3: come Back.

1834
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 4: Looking PC.

1835
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 3: I'm looking FECI make Luke geacy. I lose in my dreams,

1836
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 3: but I only feel morning come back? Why you made them?

1837
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 4: Side, Luke?

1838
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 3: That is awesome, Luke BC.

1839
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 2: I hope you understand that the Danish shan Sirhan over

1840
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 2: here is gonna show up at your door and plunge

1841
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 2: a knife into your chest. Do you understand that, right, Luke?

1842
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 3: I don't know how how good the the uh the

1843
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 3: Malco travel budget is. But if we could fly in

1844
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 3: cal from Denmark, this Danish prince here, and if you

1845
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 3: and I could record a live version of this song

1846
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 3: in person, right, I'll get on the guitar. Maybe you

1847
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 3: played the big ass bass, he could play drugs a

1848
01:28:55,520 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 3: lot to mod dreams fall flat because I'm only feel.

1849
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 2: The only the only part of that was even semi

1850
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 2: accurate is about eating bacon and shitting blood. That's really

1851
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 2: you eat the bacon, I shit the blood that really is.

1852
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 2: Everything else was just a little too weird for me.

1853
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 3: It's very progue, it's very European. I love the looking beasy,

1854
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 3: make you look easy.

1855
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 2: No, No, that dude's been. He makes songs for all

1856
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 2: the mm A podcasts and they're all the kind of

1857
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 2: thing that makes you wonder what he does.

1858
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 3: Who has he done this for? Who has he done

1859
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 3: this for?

1860
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 2: I thought were he did one for me? I think

1861
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 2: he did one for Comine event Uh he may have

1862
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 2: done one for Ariel as well. Like he does, he

1863
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: does them all.

1864
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 3: Uh. You can follow this guy at Cali's world tour,

1865
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 3: I believe, on YouTube and all the other places. But uh,

1866
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 3: shout out to Cal. They're very well died. Is that

1867
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 3: how you pronounce it?

1868
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 2: Luke?

1869
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 3: That name Cal Cali Kali Cal.

1870
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 2: I think it's no. I don't want to make that joke.

1871
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 3: But John Wayne Gase, John David Chapman, is that we

1872
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 3: call with this Luke? I mean, uh yeah, all right,

1873
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,799
Speaker 3: we'll about that. Thank you, Thank you, Cal for for

1874
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 3: for finding the way to my heart without having to

1875
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 3: traverse my pelvis first. Thank you, Cal.

1876
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 2: Thank you If you want to send more stuff like that,

1877
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 2: good bad or indifferent. Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

1878
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 3: That is yeah, And I want to close with this,

1879
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 3: this little thing. We get so much great artwork and

1880
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 3: movie posters, and you guys are all brilliant. Cal has

1881
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 3: opened up a new door. You want to create our

1882
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,600
Speaker 3: theme song for this damn show. I challenge you to

1883
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 3: do it, all right, I challenge you to beat that song,

1884
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 3: the Morning Kombat song that Cal put out there.

1885
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 2: There you go, You've thrown down the gauntlets. Okay, Morning

1886
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 2: Coombat at gmail dot com is the place to be. Plus,

1887
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 2: we have dead wrong on Friday. Get your submissions in

1888
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 2: for what we got wrong the same place. Morning Coombat

1889
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. Uh b C. We're on social media,

1890
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 2: we have graphics for that. I'm on Twitter, you're on Twitter,

1891
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 2: I'm on Insta. Your on Insta, and then Morning Combat

1892
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 2: is everywhere Twitter, Insta, and then of course on.

1893
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 3: YouTube my old Twitter. I got a new Twitter at

1894
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 3: b Campbell.

1895
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 2: Now, all right, drop the CBS on that. We'll get

1896
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 2: that fixed. But okay, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, very quickly.

1897
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 3: There are a lot of companies now, Luke, so I

1898
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 3: can't you know, I can't be held down by anybody.

1899
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 2: The official check Casher you want some merch, you got

1900
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 2: to store dot show dot com. Oh, there you go,

1901
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 2: there's the official one. B Campbell. There you go, soup.

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Speaker 2: You can try it for three for thirty days. If

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Speaker 2: you like it, keep it. If not, you can go

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Speaker 2: pound sand One more reminder for Friday's show. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: be getting you ready for UFC two fifty four beyond

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Speaker 2: what we did today, and go check out Rashad's picks.

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Speaker 2: They're already up on the site. Don't forget. Elephant in

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Speaker 2: the Room by patres O'Neil is the Friday homework. Yes,

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Speaker 2: get after it right now. Be seeing that we're gonna

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Speaker 2: break everything down about that patreseo O'Neil Elephant in the Room.

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Speaker 2: Please be on the lookout for it all right. Enjoy

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Speaker 2: your Wednesday for Brian Campbell, Showtime and Milcha. I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Until next time, may all of your gains be loyal