Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. And now your hosts Isaiah stand Back, heck,
Speaker 1: My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's Well, well, beat
Speaker 1: me up. It is Tuesday, March first, thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us on a TCT Talking Cowboys Tuesday. And I'm
Speaker 1: joined by my guys that are always here, uh in
Speaker 1: the studio minus one Rob p Island Island Boy himself
Speaker 1: is in the building. Beat me up, Scottie, beat me up?
Speaker 1: And Uh, the guy that always remind the reminds us
Speaker 1: that we are built like busted bags of biscuits. Isaiah
Speaker 1: stand back, Champ, what's up? Good? That's great alliteration. I
Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, busted bags of biscuits. That is how
Speaker 1: I feel, right, I mean, I mean he comes in
Speaker 1: here with a new muscle. He comes here with a
Speaker 1: new muscle every week. You know, I don't I've never
Speaker 1: met anybody that just hey, is that a new muscle?
Speaker 1: Is the muscle in his zero lobe? He has it
Speaker 1: covered up, you know, I don't know, sure, soups, tell
Speaker 1: what was that? You had a soccer jersey on the
Speaker 1: other day, a bright yellow sock soccer jersey. And I
Speaker 1: was like, come on, dog, give us a chance. I
Speaker 1: covered up the bright shirt today. Oh man, different bright
Speaker 1: shirt on the day, but I covered it up. But
Speaker 1: so he gets he puts the cover up over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah on, man, give us a shot here. But guys,
Speaker 1: I am so uh thankful to being able to host
Speaker 1: today in Kyle Yeoman's absence. He is down in Indie
Speaker 1: covering the combine him, you know, with his pinky in
Speaker 1: the air and asking questions, the big questions. They had
Speaker 1: the draft show at ten o'clock, which was awesome. I
Speaker 1: believe Dame Brugler was on in my correct the Christoper
Speaker 1: fer Beam in the back on the ones and twos.
Speaker 1: I don't know it has been posted yet. Okay, it
Speaker 1: from there. My bad, My bad, my bad. It's gonna
Speaker 1: post it later, so just stand. It'll be on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Wasay Thursday this week, So as we speak, I think
Speaker 1: Kyle is at the podium listening to Mike McCarthy addressed
Speaker 1: the media for the first time in six weeks and
Speaker 1: Big Mike's just breaking news on us right now, you know,
Speaker 1: fire Sun gosh man, it's uh. The offseason is in
Speaker 1: full effect. We got so much stuff going on, and
Speaker 1: obviously the Cowboys are not going to be without controversy,
Speaker 1: which we have had. But on Monday, Stephen Jones had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to stand up in front of the media
Speaker 1: and address some concerns, and so I'm gonna start with you, Rob.
Speaker 1: He said some very interesting things about the future of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, and obviously, with the mind state being
Speaker 1: that the Los Angeles Rams won the Super Bowl, going
Speaker 1: all in and mortgaging off their few, it did not
Speaker 1: sound as though Steven Jones was in that vein. He
Speaker 1: sounded like someone that is going to be very physically
Speaker 1: conservative about putting this roster together for twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: What were your takes on the interview? You're exactly right.
Speaker 1: And I've been writing this in the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks when everybody's talking about the draft and free agency,
Speaker 1: just get ready, prepare yourself. They're not going to spend
Speaker 1: a bunch of money there. And he even said it
Speaker 1: yesterday to the media, like we're gonna try, we want
Speaker 1: to resign a lot of guys, our guys, and probably
Speaker 1: do some restructures, most likely Dak Prescott, and find some
Speaker 1: space to get all this stuff done that they want
Speaker 1: to get done. But this is the way they operate.
Speaker 1: They're going to they they have their top end guys
Speaker 1: on the roster to long term deals and they try
Speaker 1: to fill in the back with one year contracts and draft. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what they're gonna do, especially this year
Speaker 1: with the cap crunch that they've gotten. And Steven spoke
Speaker 1: to that once again yesterday. So Isaiah, I want you
Speaker 1: to kind of code that you gotta little, you gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta little quick synopsis of the interview. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing that I was really kind of taking a
Speaker 1: back about, and that was his I guess Stan committed
Speaker 1: to not commenting on Amara Cooper and he just wouldn't
Speaker 1: talk about it. And we have a deadline of March
Speaker 1: twenty second. I believe once that money becomes guaranteed, so
Speaker 1: a decision has to be made by the end of
Speaker 1: Clarence Hill. Try to take him to task on answering
Speaker 1: that question, but he wouldn't. How do you feel about
Speaker 1: that being that Obviously, we know that Coop is a
Speaker 1: number one receiver in this league. You're gonna need a
Speaker 1: number one receiver. We know how good Cooper is making
Speaker 1: Dak Just what are your feelings about that? As a player,
Speaker 1: do you believe that he is sending a message to
Speaker 1: this locker room as he's sending a message to guys
Speaker 1: like Tank, that he will not comment on what's the
Speaker 1: future for these guys. I don't know what he's doing.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody ever knows what the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: doing in that regard. I don't think that he's trying
Speaker 1: to send a sen some form of a hidden message
Speaker 1: to those guys. But I do think that he is
Speaker 1: given he's hinting towards what they may be thinking in
Speaker 1: regards to Amari Cooper and their lack of commitment to
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper going forward. Now, we sat up here last
Speaker 1: week and I already expressed myself in terms of how
Speaker 1: I feel in terms of them not utilizing an amazing
Speaker 1: asset that they have on their team, and they're seemingly
Speaker 1: gonna use him as a scapegoat to kind of get
Speaker 1: around the salary cap issue. That's what it feels like
Speaker 1: they're like they're headache towards. So that's why I think
Speaker 1: he will not address that verbally in terms of Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: But as you mentioned, Dak not a problem talking about
Speaker 1: Dak a little bit. You know, Zeke not a problem
Speaker 1: talking about Zeke a little But those that are guys, right,
Speaker 1: these are our duels. These are the kind of the
Speaker 1: face of the franchise. I don't think that they see
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper in that same light, and that's really unfortunate.
Speaker 1: But as a as a former player, if you're sitting
Speaker 1: there and you're you understand, you signed the contract, you're
Speaker 1: a year end, how does that make you feel? I mean,
Speaker 1: how would that man just putting your feet in and
Speaker 1: coop shoes hearing him not comment on your status with
Speaker 1: the team going into next season. Now, as a former player,
Speaker 1: I can stand back and understand the business aspect of
Speaker 1: it and not get my emotion and my emotions involved
Speaker 1: in it as a player at that at that particular time.
Speaker 1: Maybe the position that he's in, he's a savvy vet,
Speaker 1: so he probably understands the business aspect a little more
Speaker 1: than most young uns in the league. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you're committed to an organization, you know, And this
Speaker 1: is where you're starting to really see this parting of
Speaker 1: ways in this in this league. Right now, they're starting
Speaker 1: to guy players are starting to understand their value much
Speaker 1: like NBA players, much like MLB players, and guys are
Speaker 1: starting guys are starting to understand how much they affect,
Speaker 1: how much how much power they have or over these organizations.
Speaker 1: So now you take somebody into Mario Cooper's position where
Speaker 1: he's like getting paid with twenty million a year or
Speaker 1: somebody that eighteen a year, twenty year, somewhere around the
Speaker 1: twenty years. Okay, so you're gonna paid twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year, and he recognizes that they're starting to kind
Speaker 1: of use this rhetoric as if you're the reason why,
Speaker 1: you know, or we're paying you too much money. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not making enough plays. And you can sit and
Speaker 1: be still understand that I don't have a lack of performance.
Speaker 1: I have a lack of opportunities, right, I don't have
Speaker 1: a lack of ability. Right, I'm not getting presented with
Speaker 1: the with the with the chances. I need to go
Speaker 1: out there and make play. So if they don't want
Speaker 1: to pay me, somebody else will pay me, and I
Speaker 1: think that's where your mind has to go. He can.
Speaker 1: I'm again, we're all just kind of just speaking in
Speaker 1: general right now. I don't think that he's going to
Speaker 1: be emotionally tied to the Cowboys, because you could obviously
Speaker 1: see that the Cowboys don't seem to be emotionally tied
Speaker 1: to him. Well, I think they value what he can
Speaker 1: bring as a player. Um, they wouldn't have signed him
Speaker 1: to one hundred million dollars deal if they did, real quick,
Speaker 1: real quick. Chris just texted me and Mike McCarthy had
Speaker 1: some breaking news just now an Indie Dak Prescott clean
Speaker 1: up surgery on his left shoulder, non throwing should be
Speaker 1: ready for the start of the off season program. So
Speaker 1: we can get back to that if we want to
Speaker 1: admit it. But I mean, yeah, thank you, mystery meat moment.
Speaker 1: It's not his throwing shoulder at least. Um. Okay, So
Speaker 1: and and and Stephen was asked about Amori multiple times,
Speaker 1: and in fact, his role in the offense was brought
Speaker 1: up as well. It's it's a good question whoever asked it?
Speaker 1: And he said, he said, I think it's more of
Speaker 1: a system deal where we go somewhere else based on
Speaker 1: what the coverage dictates. And so if you're gonna play
Speaker 1: that way and that's your style of offense, then I
Speaker 1: think you do have to look at Okay, why are
Speaker 1: we spending this much on our number one receiver? And
Speaker 1: because I agree with you guys, they're better with him
Speaker 1: on the roster, they're better with him being the go
Speaker 1: to guy. But that hasn't been the way this thing
Speaker 1: is built. And actually the follow up question was to
Speaker 1: the effective does that system mess with what you invest
Speaker 1: in your contracts? And he said, we go through all
Speaker 1: of that. Like I said, I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: it into individually that stuff, but that plays into how
Speaker 1: we invest and that's not what they're getting based on
Speaker 1: what they pay to Mario. It's not all his fault,
Speaker 1: but it's it's the system. And I would not be
Speaker 1: surprised if based on what we've heard from from the
Speaker 1: Joneses twice now Senior Bowl combined, it's definitely on the table.
Speaker 1: I just because the cap is a challenge. The cap
Speaker 1: is is probably it went up to two o eight,
Speaker 1: but it's probably ten million dollars less than it should
Speaker 1: have been. Pandemic aside and so they're trying to make
Speaker 1: up for that loss. Are you okay on this roster
Speaker 1: without a Mari I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. But
Speaker 1: I think it's a reality that Ceedee Lamb may have
Speaker 1: to say. They may have to look at Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: and say, hey, seventeen pick in the draft two years ago,
Speaker 1: it's your time if I mean, that's got to be
Speaker 1: the transition if there's no Mari. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I say I'm not is because I recognize how much
Speaker 1: better Mari Cooper made Dak and how much the offense
Speaker 1: was struggling without Amari Cooper, his effect on the offense
Speaker 1: immediately once he came on, And so you know that.
Speaker 1: My other thing that I kind of went back on
Speaker 1: was that if we're not gonna use him, it's like
Speaker 1: having the bands in the driveway and you don't have
Speaker 1: keys to it. If I can't drive it, get it
Speaker 1: out of my driveway. But that's us the word can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah there in the other C word. They're choosing choosing
Speaker 1: not to use Amari, right, And I think it would
Speaker 1: be a totally different conversation that we were sitting there
Speaker 1: talking about his route runnings, bad, his speed is dropped off,
Speaker 1: he's dropping balls. We're not saying any of those things.
Speaker 1: We're saying that because of the system, we're not going
Speaker 1: to utilize him the way in which we originally had
Speaker 1: thought we were going to when we signed him for
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. So because of that, sorry, we
Speaker 1: might have to cut bait on you, and by cutting
Speaker 1: bait on you, we become a weaker offense. That makes
Speaker 1: zero sense to me. Change the system. Change the system.
Speaker 1: If that's your system, change the system, because every other
Speaker 1: organization that has the number one receiver is doing it.
Speaker 1: It reminds me so much of my time when I
Speaker 1: was here and TiO was having issues. Right with Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of issues internally in the locker room
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to speak to that we're revolving
Speaker 1: around the quote unquote system. And when teams and when
Speaker 1: teams would understand that Jason Garrett was unwilling at that
Speaker 1: time to change his system, they said, Okay, since you're
Speaker 1: not going to change your system, we'll roll the discoverage
Speaker 1: and we'll take TiO out the game because you're gonna
Speaker 1: stay with your system. And what end up hap with TiO,
Speaker 1: all right, now, bye bye. Then they cut him after
Speaker 1: the eighth season, and they were fortunate that Miles Austin
Speaker 1: developed into a correct franchise guy because at the time
Speaker 1: they didn't. It's like when they cut Does, they didn't
Speaker 1: have an answer. They signed Alan Hearns and Deante Thompson
Speaker 1: and nobody emerged until they traded for Amar. Because to
Speaker 1: your point, like Dak took off when Amari got here. Now,
Speaker 1: Stevens thought he sounded cautiously optimistic throughout the interview, but
Speaker 1: there was another part of the interview that really kind
Speaker 1: of threw me off. As he mentioned it several times
Speaker 1: that you know what teams have a franchise quarterback that
Speaker 1: has the size of contract that we have. These are
Speaker 1: the kind of things that you have to maneuver around,
Speaker 1: basically pointing out that if we're looking at a pie,
Speaker 1: Dak has the lion's share basically of that pie, and
Speaker 1: so fitting other pieces into that is going to be hard.
Speaker 1: Now you've outlined the cap and how you can kind
Speaker 1: of kick the can down the road, this is an
Speaker 1: immediate thing that you have to do. But in saying
Speaker 1: that to me, I felt like that was a little
Speaker 1: shade Throne at dak subliminal whatever. It was basically saying, look,
Speaker 1: you got this big contract, we're having to make this
Speaker 1: work around you. Did you think that when you heard it?
Speaker 1: Did you kind of think that was a little shady
Speaker 1: or did you think, hey, this is he's just basically
Speaker 1: saying the realities of football right now. I think it's
Speaker 1: the latter, I really do. I think he's pointing out
Speaker 1: that because he's getting aske about him. Are he's getting asked?
Speaker 1: But he got asked about de Marcus Lawrence and they
Speaker 1: he said, look, not naming names. We got decisions to
Speaker 1: make on certain guys that make a lot of money
Speaker 1: into I think he even said something Isaiah said last week,
Speaker 1: like what's the value you're getting based off of that contract?
Speaker 1: So no, I think I think Steven is just outlining
Speaker 1: the challenges and maybe getting fans ready again for the
Speaker 1: fact that, look, they're not going to be huge players
Speaker 1: in free agency. He did have a quote here he said,
Speaker 1: we could do some things that could allow us to
Speaker 1: keep most of our guys if we wanted to push
Speaker 1: it all out, like down the road, kick the can
Speaker 1: down the road, but we'll have a much bigger problem
Speaker 1: than next year and the year after that. They're looking
Speaker 1: long term, and not only they look in long term.
Speaker 1: You know, for this year, it's Michael Parson is going
Speaker 1: to need a new deal at some point, Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 1: is going to need a deal at some point. So,
Speaker 1: like he talked about having to, they look at their
Speaker 1: cap three years out and the pandemic has screwed some
Speaker 1: of that up. Because you've signed guys in the past
Speaker 1: two that will fit a certain slot in the cap
Speaker 1: based off more revenue than the league's getting. They don't
Speaker 1: have that. That's what he's trying to say. And the
Speaker 1: reality is that, Yeah, Dak has taken up a huge
Speaker 1: part of it. Isaiah, you have been more critical than
Speaker 1: anyone about Dak and his performance. He's gotten the big payday,
Speaker 1: but if you don't put the type of talent around
Speaker 1: him to help him win. Is he the kind of
Speaker 1: quarterback that could wield this team to victories by himself. No,
Speaker 1: he's not, and people will hate that, but he's not.
Speaker 1: That's the reality people. I'm sorry, Dak is a really
Speaker 1: good quarterback. He's not an elite quarterback. There's a difference,
Speaker 1: and there's only a handful of elite quarterbacks in this league. Okay,
Speaker 1: well we got that out perfect. Everybody can take you
Speaker 1: to side a relief now. And that's not a shot
Speaker 1: at that, that's just telling you where exactly where he's at.
Speaker 1: Dak has a lot of development. As good as he
Speaker 1: is under the contract that he signed, he still has
Speaker 1: a lot of development in terms of attaining the status
Speaker 1: and the impact in this league and on his team
Speaker 1: and in this league the respect that he did with
Speaker 1: that he wants in this league. Now he can go
Speaker 1: back and work on those things and he can improve
Speaker 1: upon his throwing accuracy. He can improve upon his ball location.
Speaker 1: You can improve upon his velocity. These are all things
Speaker 1: that he can improve upon, and he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: improve upon because in order for him to play potentially
Speaker 1: without Amari Cooper, his ball location is gonna have to
Speaker 1: get better. Right, He's gonna have to get the ball
Speaker 1: be better because CD's had a bunch of drops and
Speaker 1: some of that just because the location of the ball.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not always just a CD all the ball
Speaker 1: touch your hands, old school rules and touch your hands,
Speaker 1: you gotta bring it in catch. Sometimes there's some bad situations,
Speaker 1: some bad locations where against your body, you know, momentum,
Speaker 1: all that kind of jazz. So he has to get
Speaker 1: better with putting, throwing better, more receivable balls, catch you know,
Speaker 1: catch friendly balls, and then his velocity has to improve
Speaker 1: because if you want to be able to push this
Speaker 1: thing down the field like we know, you know Keller
Speaker 1: Moore wants to do, he has to improve upon that
Speaker 1: aspect of the game because you're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to take advantage of those big plays with whatever receivers
Speaker 1: ever gonna have on those roster because right now we
Speaker 1: have one. Yeah, okay, so impossible. Yeah, we got a
Speaker 1: semi photo and he's in the contract and Amari, right,
Speaker 1: those two are in the contract. That's it. I think
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it, Okay, So we don't know what
Speaker 1: the heck is gonna be down there. So there's aspects
Speaker 1: of his game and I think he is do what
Speaker 1: he's getting paid. Let me let me stand and say that,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna pay somebody that kind of money to
Speaker 1: be the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. I don't care
Speaker 1: who it is. They're gonna get that much money because
Speaker 1: they're stepping into that huge role of lineage of great
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that I've been here. But just because there's been
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks that have been here doesn't mean that the
Speaker 1: quarterback that you have it's necessarily great. Now I think
Speaker 1: that he can be, but he has some work to do. Now,
Speaker 1: do you have something to peak well? I just I
Speaker 1: mean this new report about his left throwing shoulder. Do
Speaker 1: you think that does that affect a guy when he's
Speaker 1: right handed, right arm? I wonder and I'm not now
Speaker 1: I need to go ask these questions, but like he
Speaker 1: had the shoulder strain on his right shoulder in training camp,
Speaker 1: is that related to this? And you know, to me,
Speaker 1: like it's it's hard to evaluate Dak because those first
Speaker 1: six games I think I said, Okay, this is a
Speaker 1: top five quarterback in the league right now. Like MVP
Speaker 1: discussion down the stretch, other things around him were not
Speaker 1: as clean and he wasn't as clean. So yes, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. It's got to be the pieces around
Speaker 1: him helping. But I wonder if he can get healthy
Speaker 1: this offseason and not spending off season worrying about his
Speaker 1: leg and apparently this this non throwing shoulder deal will
Speaker 1: not affect his offseason work. I wonder if just getting
Speaker 1: a full off season work, provided he stays healthy, will
Speaker 1: help him as well. What aspect of his game do
Speaker 1: you feel that he needs to improve most to in
Speaker 1: order to put him into that a whatever he was
Speaker 1: at the first five games, say take the running game out.
Speaker 1: You want that deck that he that you that that
Speaker 1: shows up when he has a running game, that's the
Speaker 1: deck that everybody wants, right, But when the running game
Speaker 1: is not presenting, when it's not there, what does he
Speaker 1: need to work on to be that guy? You just
Speaker 1: hit on it? His location throwing the ball. There were
Speaker 1: definitely several balls throughout the year that were behind receivers,
Speaker 1: just not He's not throwing guys open. And we've made
Speaker 1: the comparison between other quarterbacks that are in the league.
Speaker 1: And maybe that was a byproduct of all of this
Speaker 1: strain that we're talking about the calf and all the
Speaker 1: things that happened within the season. But real quick, just
Speaker 1: going back to what you were just saying, the running game.
Speaker 1: I found it ironic that executive vice president Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: was more willing to talk about Zeke and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: Zeke Zaga that's on our team is you know, obviously
Speaker 1: paid guaranteed money twelve and half a million is done.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be on your team. But as we've seen,
Speaker 1: his production is trending down, it's not trending up, and
Speaker 1: everyone's kind of waiting on him to rekindle the fire
Speaker 1: that he had from twenty sixteen, seventeen and now those years.
Speaker 1: When you look at Zeke right now, even in the
Speaker 1: seventeen game season and muscling through the knee injury, do
Speaker 1: you think that there is a potential for him to
Speaker 1: return to form. Are we delusional in this situation, especially
Speaker 1: with Tony Pollard sitting behind him with all of that
Speaker 1: production waiting him. I don't want to go back. I
Speaker 1: hate to go back to the first sixth game because
Speaker 1: it's not a full seventeen game seasons for plus playoffs,
Speaker 1: so it's not the full body of work. I just
Speaker 1: go back to, though we've seen that rotation work that
Speaker 1: first half of the season almost they were averaging five
Speaker 1: yards of carry plus together. He looked great. I thought
Speaker 1: he looked That's the best I've seen him look going
Speaker 1: into a season in a couple of years, and then
Speaker 1: he got hurt, and I think that probably was a factor.
Speaker 1: If you want to point. But I think, kind of
Speaker 1: like Dak being healthy again, I think you could see
Speaker 1: a productive Zeke again next year. But they got to
Speaker 1: build some things around him better, and they need to
Speaker 1: take a look at their system too and see how
Speaker 1: are we using guys. We're using guys that correctly the
Speaker 1: right way to Tony Holler getting enough touches last year,
Speaker 1: Like I think, especially with Zeke being banged up down
Speaker 1: the stretch, that's probably something they could have done more.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if they're having that discussion right now.
Speaker 1: I believe that Zeke is a very dominant running back
Speaker 1: still in this league. But the question you have to
Speaker 1: ask yourself is how many dominant running backs are in
Speaker 1: this league? So much is depicted upon the running scheme
Speaker 1: and the ability for offense the line to be able
Speaker 1: to create some movement and work up to the second level,
Speaker 1: and how much of that did we really see this year?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, regardless of how healthy Zeke was,
Speaker 1: Zeke came out the gun, you know, lighter, you know,
Speaker 1: you're quicker, you know, more agile, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: more burst than you've seen in a while. So I
Speaker 1: think coming into the season, to your point, right, he
Speaker 1: was he was money right, but also the line was
Speaker 1: getting some movement and then Deep got hurt. Simultaneously at office,
Speaker 1: a line started having some issues, and all of sudden,
Speaker 1: the running game goes to crap. So you have to
Speaker 1: really have to ask yourself, what is a dominant running
Speaker 1: back in this league? The game has changed, surpassing league.
Speaker 1: The game has changed, and people don't want to acknowledge that.
Speaker 1: And that's why running backs are not being as valued
Speaker 1: as they once were. They're not starting to get the
Speaker 1: bread that they wants us to get because organizations feel, oh,
Speaker 1: we could throw somebody and throw anybody in there. We
Speaker 1: need to focus on offensive line. The old line, get right,
Speaker 1: we can throw anybody in there, they'd be productive. Now
Speaker 1: will they be Aaron Jones? Will they be you know,
Speaker 1: you know, a Cook or some of these guys, And
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, yeah, Derek Herry, maybe not. But Derek Herry
Speaker 1: is probably one of the few guys in this league
Speaker 1: that can sen no handily just dominate a defense, regardless
Speaker 1: if they're blocking him or not. And I think that's
Speaker 1: where offenses have gone. You saw the Rams kind of
Speaker 1: do that. They found a guy off the scrap, he
Speaker 1: brought him in, you know, a team's up making those
Speaker 1: runs based off of who they can bring in and
Speaker 1: just say, hey, look fill this role for have a
Speaker 1: long until whatever, but you know, try and get us
Speaker 1: over the finish line. But you guys definitely answered all
Speaker 1: of those questions, man, And hey, it really sounded to
Speaker 1: me like Stephen Jones was letting us know. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: bluffing that. Don't expect a whole lot of splash and
Speaker 1: free agent and free agency going off the diving board.
Speaker 1: No splash, ain't no water at all, man, That thing
Speaker 1: is not going to No water's gonna blowback from that.
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Speaker 1: Island and the super Bowl Champ Isaiah. Stand back, guys.
Speaker 1: I kind of teased this question before we came to
Speaker 1: the second UH segment here, but I want you guys
Speaker 1: to envision if you will, Okay, all right, use your
Speaker 1: use your imagination. Pe. This is hard for you for
Speaker 1: a guy that's only written a roller coaster one time?
Speaker 1: All right? Twice twice my bad and never again. No display. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't disrespect Pete, but envisioned Mike Mica on a bus
Speaker 1: by himself. Dan Quinn is the driver. The door opens.
Speaker 1: All right, this is a tricked out bus. It has
Speaker 1: his rookie yard was it Player of the Week, belts
Speaker 1: all in the grill. It's got blue candy paint on
Speaker 1: it on the side, it's gonna it has a sign
Speaker 1: that says Oxnard on it. All right. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you guys, California West site. All right, and so
Speaker 1: we have players, and I'm gonna take players that were
Speaker 1: maybe free agents that we need to sign, guys that
Speaker 1: are on the contract I have. I have four guys
Speaker 1: from that defense that can get on that bus. I
Speaker 1: want you to take four guys that are on the
Speaker 1: current roster and maybe even give me a wildcard. Who
Speaker 1: are those four guys that are getting on that bus?
Speaker 1: I say, I'll start with you Diggs, Slid, Gregory sold
Speaker 1: It gets Murky Rays curse, and then I'm probably to
Speaker 1: round it out proud, go at Gallimar. I like it. Neville,
Speaker 1: all right, those are your four guys. And if you
Speaker 1: had a wild card, just a wild card, who's your
Speaker 1: wild card guy? A fifth who would be your wild
Speaker 1: card salary? Doesn't matter? Just who, just who? I want, Yes,
Speaker 1: come off the bus with me in Oxnard. Ye, all right,
Speaker 1: then law d law that's your wild card. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: now here's the here's here's another question, so we can
Speaker 1: we could talk about this. You started off with Diggs, right,
Speaker 1: so that's an easy one, but of course you're gonna
Speaker 1: go with Diggs. Your second one was I believe it
Speaker 1: was Curse Gregory. Okay, Gregory. So in the situation with Gregory,
Speaker 1: if you have the franchise tag him to bring him back,
Speaker 1: do you you don't franchise you signed a long term
Speaker 1: deal with him right now? Possibly if you move the
Speaker 1: money around. I think that's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think they can fit twenty
Speaker 1: million under the cap on for a one year deal
Speaker 1: this year. They definitely don't want to long term. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna go long term deal with Randy Gregory.
Speaker 1: And then the other guy was Curse Curse Okay, and
Speaker 1: you're seeing Curse based off of last year's performance. He
Speaker 1: earned his way him in with dan Quinn. I mean
Speaker 1: he's basic. I mean, he's outside of dan quinn system.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I want him because
Speaker 1: I don't know what he provides based upon you know
Speaker 1: his utilization, but within dan quinn system, absolutely we've seen
Speaker 1: his value. Okay, Now the wildcard, the wildcard for you
Speaker 1: was Tank. All right. Now here's the question about Tank,
Speaker 1: because even Stephen Jones would not commit on Tank's contract
Speaker 1: based off of production, but where he was the numbers
Speaker 1: that he put up last season, Let's allow a little
Speaker 1: grace because of the foot injury. Do you believe that
Speaker 1: it is possible that he is going to give you
Speaker 1: the production that lives up to the contract. So is
Speaker 1: he a guy that you're restructuring only to bring back
Speaker 1: or what are your thoughts on I don't see a
Speaker 1: d Law back here. I don't, Man. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of Cowboys Nation not gonna like that, but I
Speaker 1: just don't see it happening. I don't see how you
Speaker 1: can justify paying d Law as much of a leader
Speaker 1: on his team as he is, as much of an
Speaker 1: effort guy as he is. I just don't see the
Speaker 1: production and even and I honestly, I didn't know a
Speaker 1: whole lot about d Law and prior to these last
Speaker 1: few years of working with the boys, and you know,
Speaker 1: I came into the season, Okay, I'm gonna be more
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ch this cat. I'm gonna watch how dominant
Speaker 1: he is. I hear so much about him, and I
Speaker 1: just did not see the dominant aspect of it. Did
Speaker 1: I see an effective pass rusher? Yes, dominant pass rusher?
Speaker 1: Never felt that. I never felt that. Hey, guess what
Speaker 1: on this like the fourth down in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You know Aaron Donald one on one, Aaron Donald's winning that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not. We're getting the sack, right, You're not stopping him.
Speaker 1: I don't. Never I've never felt in any situation that
Speaker 1: d Law lineup because of the tackle that oh he's
Speaker 1: about to destroy him. Never felt that. And that's and
Speaker 1: that's a guy that you're playing paying a really pretty
Speaker 1: penny two too. So in that question, man, maybe he
Speaker 1: won't be one of your guys to get on the bus.
Speaker 1: But pee, I'm I'm gonna swing this over to you, man,
Speaker 1: So give me four and and we'll throw a wild
Speaker 1: card in there. I was just real quick. I was
Speaker 1: looking at spoke track. DeMarcus is set to make nineteen
Speaker 1: million dollars base salary in twenty twenty two. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just that's that's the reality. What they got to
Speaker 1: figure out and he and am good for him. We'll see.
Speaker 1: But if I had to just pick four, this kind
Speaker 1: of heck, this reminds me of space Jam. Space Jam.
Speaker 1: There was a there was a column on ESPN it
Speaker 1: was like, if you had to pick a group to
Speaker 1: play the Aliens, play the Aliens for the fate of
Speaker 1: Earth in basketball, who would you take? It's a great discussion,
Speaker 1: but I the door just opened for you. Bradley made
Speaker 1: that team, not my team. Well, Sean Bradley is somewhere going.
Speaker 1: Actually I wish I wish all the best for him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just changed. But I'm talking, I'm thinking, yeah, sorry, Um,
Speaker 1: I would say if I had to pick four four
Speaker 1: A Micah Trayvon Diggs, Michael's already on the bus. He's
Speaker 1: already on bus, So no more more more. Michael's already
Speaker 1: on Trayvon Diggs, Randy Gregory, Geron Curse, and I'd go
Speaker 1: to Marcus Lawrence. Hey, consistency around these parts. I'd go
Speaker 1: to Marcus Lawrence because I think he's a guy. He
Speaker 1: he brings that fire, that energy for this team, and
Speaker 1: I think they think this defense needs that to build
Speaker 1: on what they did last year. But I'm with you like,
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's he's in your four,
Speaker 1: he's in your core four. So who's your wild card? Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: because he was my wild card. Gallimore was my four
Speaker 1: for four or five. That's a great question. Who am
Speaker 1: I missing here? Are you? Osa? Are you going linebacker?
Speaker 1: Are you going late into another position? They don't have
Speaker 1: any of Um. I almost Oh, you know what, I
Speaker 1: almost picked for my wildcart, not my wild carp, but
Speaker 1: from my core four. Yeah, I almost picked him. Provided
Speaker 1: he's back. I think he's got healthy, dominant in this.
Speaker 1: But you're basing that off of potential. I'm basing that
Speaker 1: off of that one play that he had on the
Speaker 1: gold line, off of one play, off of one play
Speaker 1: that's potential. I could see it. I could see him in.
Speaker 1: I know Dan, I know dan Quinn, and I know
Speaker 1: when dan Quinn Sawday he's at all. Shoot, I got one. Um.
Speaker 1: I would go Gallimore because I think with a full season,
Speaker 1: they really think he could be special, honestly, so I'd
Speaker 1: go with him. But Osa's right there too, because I
Speaker 1: think they feel great about him as a long term
Speaker 1: VET guy in the league. Now so much has been
Speaker 1: made guys, I think y'all. You smashed it, and though
Speaker 1: y'all copied each other and that was a little lazy people.
Speaker 1: That's cool. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: just hosting the show. I'm just trying to keep this
Speaker 1: thing around. I want I want to throw Donna in there,
Speaker 1: But y'all would have been like, okay, okaygi No, I mean,
Speaker 1: if that's your pick, that's your guy. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: say wild card, throw Donna and there. I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, we just basically we just picked
Speaker 1: the best players on defense, right I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if we missed anybody, you could you could have
Speaker 1: said also Diggizor and you could have said wild card
Speaker 1: Brent Urban because he you know, you could have went
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. It'd be nice to bring him.
Speaker 1: You're taking Brent over there over in the Bill Gallimore. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. This is not taking them off of the team.
Speaker 1: This is basically saying, these are my core guys that
Speaker 1: we're saying is going to get on this bus with
Speaker 1: Michael because we know that the Bazuka is going to
Speaker 1: need help in twenty twenty two. Do we get to
Speaker 1: do this on offense too, or we're just doing defense.
Speaker 1: We're just doing it on defense because I know if
Speaker 1: I do this here, you're gonna be able to take
Speaker 1: up for some personal endellas out there. I don't want
Speaker 1: to do that to you right now. The Cowboys only
Speaker 1: have three people on their roster as a position of
Speaker 1: a linebackers. It's a it's pretty bad. It's an issue.
Speaker 1: Chris Cox, Parsons and DeVante Bond. Even Luke Gifford's restricted
Speaker 1: free A yeah, but I could see him coming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's restricted. So yeah, Luke on spot track to have
Speaker 1: bash him as a linebacker, which I see him more
Speaker 1: of his end. Yeah. Absolutely. Now I love that we
Speaker 1: started off the season offseason last year talking about culture
Speaker 1: and dan Quinn and what his effect has been will
Speaker 1: be on the defense. And obviously he didn't disappoint. He
Speaker 1: was everything that Isaiah said he would be as far
Speaker 1: as a culture changer, a guy that's going to change
Speaker 1: the locker room. We saw that immediately with the numbers
Speaker 1: on our defense. With a second year under his cap,
Speaker 1: the defense went from basement to middle of the pack.
Speaker 1: Middle of the pack. I mean, it's keep it real,
Speaker 1: all right, but also this defense had twenty six turnovers
Speaker 1: last season. You cannot expect to have twenty six turnovers.
Speaker 1: But if there's something that dan Quinn is going to
Speaker 1: have to sacrifice, whether it be turnovers, stopping the run
Speaker 1: or the pass. Which do you think the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: going to be more efficient at next season? Need to
Speaker 1: be or will be? Will you say need need to?
Speaker 1: I would say pass pass defense. They you know, the
Speaker 1: run game they struggle with at times, but I thought
Speaker 1: it was way better than the year before. Everything was um,
Speaker 1: you need those takeaways, but I don't know if they
Speaker 1: can count on that. Like you said, they've got to
Speaker 1: be able to stay because chunk plays or what what
Speaker 1: this league's all about, And there were games where they
Speaker 1: gave up way too many of those back in the secondary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have to agree with Rope to pass defense,
Speaker 1: and not even particular the big play, because the big
Speaker 1: plays a low percentage play. I would think that the
Speaker 1: more the shorter down in distances, giving up those easy
Speaker 1: slants and playing soft coverage up front, I think that
Speaker 1: they have to secure that. I think Trayvon Diggs has
Speaker 1: to improve upon his coverage skills. I think that he
Speaker 1: does a good job taking advantage. When a ball is
Speaker 1: badly thrown in his direction, he will make you pay
Speaker 1: for that. But I don't think that he has stepped
Speaker 1: into the light of a shut down corner yet, and
Speaker 1: I think he can. I think he will relatively quickly.
Speaker 1: But I think that he's gonna need to go get
Speaker 1: in a hit pocket of Neon Dion and some of
Speaker 1: the other events that the Cowboys have at their disposal
Speaker 1: to really learn the technique aspect of it in terms
Speaker 1: of getting up in. These guys grill because they're not
Speaker 1: going to challenge him down the field. They're gonna try
Speaker 1: to eat him up, you know, five ten yards down
Speaker 1: the field, and that's a part of his game that
Speaker 1: if he if he owns that, which I think he
Speaker 1: will probably this year, he'll take He'll take that step.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be ridiculous. Trayvon Traymon. Yeah. The only thing is,
Speaker 1: I mean teams kept testing him down the field with
Speaker 1: the double moves, and I don't know. It's like a
Speaker 1: fine line between what makes you great is his aggressiveness
Speaker 1: and gambling at times, but you don't want to lose that,
Speaker 1: but you also don't want to give up those big plays.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think if he improves upon his
Speaker 1: actual coverage skills and the you know, like I say,
Speaker 1: fifteen yards and end, I think if he gains the
Speaker 1: confidence in that regard, he won't take as many chances.
Speaker 1: And I think that he cuts back on those double play,
Speaker 1: on those double moves because now he's not having to
Speaker 1: jump at it because he feels I think right now
Speaker 1: he feels like I have to take advantage of big play.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta je I have to make that
Speaker 1: big play versus just resting assured in his cover skills.
Speaker 1: So like when I played against like Darrell Revers, you know,
Speaker 1: we we would go against each other. When I was
Speaker 1: with New England, he was with the Jets. That boy
Speaker 1: was just just chill. He didn't he wasn't jumping out
Speaker 1: no plays like the ball came his way. Cool, I'll
Speaker 1: take it. But like you didn't feel like he was
Speaker 1: like anxious, like I had to go get this thing.
Speaker 1: Like he just was. There was this calm over over
Speaker 1: over Revers and in Revers Island that he was just
Speaker 1: like I got this. You know, if you guys want
Speaker 1: to test me, I'll make you pay. But I'm not
Speaker 1: jumping at opportunities. Yeah, I mean the maturity of Trey
Speaker 1: Von digs a lot all of these guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what Mica is going to be
Speaker 1: in his second season, coming off of a dominant rookie season.
Speaker 1: Can he said at the bar so high, is there
Speaker 1: any way that he could elevate his play to be better?
Speaker 1: I just think of And I posed the question like
Speaker 1: this because I actually saw an interview of Kenney the
Speaker 1: Jet Smith on NBA on T ANDT. He's talking about
Speaker 1: how when he came into the season, came into his
Speaker 1: rookie season, how Bill Russell was his coach at the
Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings and Bill Russell, the Great Bill Russell Boston
Speaker 1: Celtics grade told him, Hey, on when we go on
Speaker 1: the road, you sitting next to me. When we get
Speaker 1: on planes, you sitting next to me. And he was like, why,
Speaker 1: why don't I have to sit next to you? And
Speaker 1: Bill said, look, because I don't want you sitting next
Speaker 1: to any of those losers, you know, And basically what
Speaker 1: he's saying, I don't want you to pick up any
Speaker 1: bad habits from many of the guys that are not
Speaker 1: going to be here. In the future, and I look
Speaker 1: at Michael Parsons the same way. I'm not calling anybody losers.
Speaker 1: What what I'm saying is you want him to be
Speaker 1: the leader of the defense next season, and in doing that,
Speaker 1: he's going to have to have guys around him that
Speaker 1: understand that, Look, I am this apex on I'm special talent.
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that he is a
Speaker 1: generational talent. But having the guys around him, a core
Speaker 1: group that's gonna give this Cowboys defense that level that
Speaker 1: of on defense that you've seen some of the greater
Speaker 1: defenses throughout the league play with to get you that
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Look, defense is still win championships. I don't
Speaker 1: care what nobody said, what what veteran orgeous player on
Speaker 1: his defense? Do you think that Michael Parsons would look
Speaker 1: up to? That's I don't think any of them because
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them have played to his level.
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, look at what he's done in
Speaker 1: his rookie season, and I think Mica has a high
Speaker 1: enough IQ to be able to google these guys and
Speaker 1: look at their career stats to say, look, my trajectory
Speaker 1: is on a whole another level from where those guys
Speaker 1: are not saying that he can't take advantage take advice
Speaker 1: from other guys. I just think that he's an eagle.
Speaker 1: I think he's not an eagle, he's a I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the animal eagle. Okay. I think he's a lion,
Speaker 1: not even you know what he's up a zoo, guys.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say, so, that's that's a unique
Speaker 1: quality that he has. And I think that you know,
Speaker 1: even when you go back to Michael Irvin when he
Speaker 1: came on from Miami and they had that losing season,
Speaker 1: they bring in Jimmy Johnson, they had to find guys
Speaker 1: that would live up to the level of play that
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin had. I think you see the same thing
Speaker 1: with Michael. So who's gonna get on the bus with
Speaker 1: Michael is? Why? Is really why I asked that question. No,
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I would say last year he
Speaker 1: probably looked up to a guy like Tank who's been
Speaker 1: doing this a long time and it's been kind of
Speaker 1: leader of the defense. I would say Randy two. Based
Speaker 1: on everything. I think guys respect what Randy's been through
Speaker 1: in his personal life and come out on the other
Speaker 1: end and have a really good season and finally be
Speaker 1: in a position to get paid. Yeah, I would say
Speaker 1: maybe those two. But I hear you, what do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean? Would you what do they have to fix
Speaker 1: the most? In your mind? I just looked it up.
Speaker 1: They got Cowboys offense had sixty three explosive pass plays
Speaker 1: last year. The opposing team's got sixty two. So you'd
Speaker 1: like that to calm down a little bit um and
Speaker 1: and you know, maintaining a big pass rush. I think
Speaker 1: it's the biggest part of that. No, I just felt
Speaker 1: like there were times in the season where guys were
Speaker 1: kind of relying on number eleven to get to the
Speaker 1: ball do things, and you have a dynamic player like that,
Speaker 1: you feel like, hell, he could do it all, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you guys are gonna play backup singers, didn't cool?
Speaker 1: You know you see this guy being the star of
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, you know, and get his case Jojo.
Speaker 1: So that's what that's really what I mean. But also
Speaker 1: I think that dan Quinn in his second season, he
Speaker 1: has got to be salivating right now, understanding that he
Speaker 1: has this special weapon that he can put design plays
Speaker 1: for him. Now, what's gonna make Mica better? Hey, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: we've gone toe to toe or whether he's an edge
Speaker 1: or linebacker at some point. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: have to decide whether he's one or the other. But
Speaker 1: I think teams when as the season went, they understand
Speaker 1: stood that, Hey, if he's on the other side at edge,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna run away from him. Are we're gonna
Speaker 1: scheme for him? Are we gonn run at him? But
Speaker 1: so much of what he did this year at the
Speaker 1: end position was because you weren't getting that pressure, or
Speaker 1: you didn't have guys, or you didn't have guys were hurt. Right,
Speaker 1: we had guys ever hurt. So I mean, but like you,
Speaker 1: we started talking about d Law and the fact that
Speaker 1: he has like you felt like you had a much
Speaker 1: greater chance of getting to the quarterback with Parsons at
Speaker 1: end than you did with d Law because where you
Speaker 1: moved d Law, d Law got moved into the inside.
Speaker 1: You put Parsons in the outside. So you got your
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars man on the inside. Yeah, doing spin
Speaker 1: moves in place, and you put your rookie on the outside.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying that that says a lot, is all.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying, yeah, the decision has already been made.
Speaker 1: When you see you know what I mean? Like it
Speaker 1: says a lot. There's no way that the Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: would be on this roster. Was DeMarcus where DeMarcus where
Speaker 1: is moving inside? Sorry not happening. That being said, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, do you worry? Would it be? Like? Nah? Player? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't care what coach said you you got on
Speaker 1: over there. So, but that being said, if if tanks
Speaker 1: not back, they make that decision at some point, who
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to keep Mike in that hybrid role? Right?
Speaker 1: I think we all agree with us. So then did
Speaker 1: you go down the line. You've got to be hoping
Speaker 1: to resign Darrence or Armstrong and hope that he's going
Speaker 1: to develop into a starter and maybe a Chauncey Gholston.
Speaker 1: And that's what they're gonna have to do because I
Speaker 1: don't know, they're not going to spend big money on
Speaker 1: a guy to replace. That's gonna be Randy Gregory's contract.
Speaker 1: How many draft picks do you have? You only have
Speaker 1: a few draft picks, so it's gonna if it's no
Speaker 1: tank again, how are you better? How you better. That
Speaker 1: almost goes back to the question about why a receiver.
Speaker 1: You know, who's better behind Coop? If who's better behind
Speaker 1: Tank and Gregory? I think as much as we love
Speaker 1: bash him in his personality, Chauncey Gholston, even in his
Speaker 1: rookie season, he did some good things. Darrence Armstrong has
Speaker 1: been the darling of the front office for a long time.
Speaker 1: Are we kidding ourselves? Are these guys really even capable
Speaker 1: of playing to that level? Well, that's where I think
Speaker 1: DQ comes in, because that's what I mean. He's got
Speaker 1: to be the and add and dirty and those guys
Speaker 1: finding a way to coach guys up. And I mean, honestly, though,
Speaker 1: in the salary cap, do you have to at some
Speaker 1: point rely on your draft picks to take another step
Speaker 1: up because you can't pay everybody. Do you think that
Speaker 1: DQ felt better coming into the season last year or
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna be feeling better coming into the
Speaker 1: season this year with all the guys that are going
Speaker 1: to be free. I honestly thought that he may have
Speaker 1: felt better last season. He may have felt better last season.
Speaker 1: And I say that because of he knew what Osa
Speaker 1: Dibizo was gonna be he knew what he had and
Speaker 1: Keen O'Neill, maybe he didn't play up to that level,
Speaker 1: but he knew he had d Law, he knew he
Speaker 1: had Randy Gregory. Now you're in a situation where you
Speaker 1: don't even know if you're going to have those guys.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I'm confident about about DQ
Speaker 1: is as a former head coach, he understands what guys
Speaker 1: fit his system and what he does. And I think
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Speaker 1: guys woke up thinking about this morning what's that. Who's
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback gonna be for the Dallas Cowboys. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll tell y'all, I love my life and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be right here with you guys. It joined more of
Speaker 1: my life. Okay. But we saw Cooper Rush last season.
Speaker 1: He came in a spot duty and got us a
Speaker 1: win on Halloween night in the Minnesota. Came in clutch,
Speaker 1: and the final minutes that game was on NFL Network
Speaker 1: yesterday I watched it again. It was awesome to see
Speaker 1: him get that victory in front of his parents that
Speaker 1: knew he was going to be playing that day. We
Speaker 1: didn't though, But obviously there are there are a lot
Speaker 1: of free agents and guys that we could talk about,
Speaker 1: but in they've been you know, people have been talking
Speaker 1: about certain ter backs being able to come in here
Speaker 1: and push the forty million dollar quarterback. So I ask you, guys,
Speaker 1: does Dak Prescott need a backup quarterback that will have
Speaker 1: him looking over his shoulder or let's just use fluffy
Speaker 1: your language push him. The Cowboys don't do that. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys historically don't do that. They don't bring in quarterbacks
Speaker 1: to push their starting quarterback. They shy away from that
Speaker 1: as much as possible, Tony never had it. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean he had veteran backups behind him, but it
Speaker 1: was always like, it's just my role to be ready,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a It was never a competition, not
Speaker 1: that it necessarily should have been, but yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean the thing that the first memory I have
Speaker 1: of Dak coming into this organization was he was at
Speaker 1: the Old Valley Ranch rookie mini camp and he's got
Speaker 1: a crowd of people around him, new draft pick, and
Speaker 1: he taught he said something to the fact of it's
Speaker 1: my job to push Tony. And I've never heard a
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks say that here behind Tony Romo ever, Nay
Speaker 1: Brad Johnson, not Kyle Orton. Body. Now, did you not think,
Speaker 1: when you are a fan of Andy Dalton when Andy
Speaker 1: came in, that that was maybe a simple a situation
Speaker 1: where there's a veteran sitting behind you that possibly could
Speaker 1: push you. That was their version of securing the bag.
Speaker 1: That was their version of making sure that they had
Speaker 1: a bulletproof backup. That's what they were trying to ensure.
Speaker 1: And I think through that process things didn't necessarily go
Speaker 1: that way. Even though the office of line was in shambles,
Speaker 1: they still looked at it as we spent too much
Speaker 1: money on that position for what the production that we got.
Speaker 1: So we're going to go back to what we used
Speaker 1: to do, which was pay slim to nothing for backups. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think Dak is a type of guy who
Speaker 1: needs to be pushed. I just don't know we're talking
Speaker 1: about contracts. I just I unless something changes, I could
Speaker 1: see Cooper Rush and Will Greer competing for the backup
Speaker 1: job because they don't cost a lot of money. I mean,
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush is set to make just over a million
Speaker 1: bucks this year. That's perfect for their cap situation right now.
Speaker 1: Do they need to look for an upgrade? I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just because if you lose, if you quarterback goes down,
Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty, look what happens. Don't you hate
Speaker 1: paying for insurance every month? Car insurance? But you do?
Speaker 1: You better do it? You hate it? Right? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: hate it, but I hate it. Comes needs me for
Speaker 1: like two forty a month insurance with no we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that. We're in the guy co studio. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like two forty a month. So
Speaker 1: I hate paying it, but guess what, I do it
Speaker 1: because if the worst case scenario happens, I need to
Speaker 1: know that I'm covered. I love that you said that,
Speaker 1: and I think that right now we're suffering from a
Speaker 1: little bit of recency bias because Dak did play through
Speaker 1: the season. But if we were in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: we'd be talking about this completely different. And I think
Speaker 1: we had the conversation about it because we were so
Speaker 1: nervous after seeing being Nucie Man all right, Cooper Russian,
Speaker 1: who's my yah? Gilbert all right, Gilbert double G and W.
Speaker 1: I mean, so imagine that, so we go through a
Speaker 1: season where Dak gets injured, we have to see Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush come off to madnee does get us a victory,
Speaker 1: but still we understand those seasons where something has happened.
Speaker 1: Dak is now having, you know, clean up surgery on
Speaker 1: his non throwing shoulder. He had the injury on his calf.
Speaker 1: There may be other things that we don't know about.
Speaker 1: Missed all training camp with the right shoulders come on.
Speaker 1: That doesn't have to necessarily be a terrible, horrific injury
Speaker 1: that like he had in twenty twenty, just little stuff
Speaker 1: where if you lose your quarterback for three games, could
Speaker 1: say whatever. Now, I'm with you. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Let's not act like it's all good. Let's not do that.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you have an opportunity to go
Speaker 1: out here and get a guy that's been in the
Speaker 1: league for a while, I e. Marrioa, somebody like that, Marryoldau,
Speaker 1: do you go and get that tier of a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Not saying that he has torn up the league by
Speaker 1: any sort of the imagination, but again, he's probably a
Speaker 1: guy that pushes you. Get somebody that you know can
Speaker 1: handle the job if you're put in that situation. I
Speaker 1: don't think that it has to be somebody that pushes you.
Speaker 1: I do think it needs to be somebody that the
Speaker 1: team respects and has full confidence in that they can
Speaker 1: step in and a field their role as the backup.
Speaker 1: I e. Kansas City situation. Chance Hitty's one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy two years old. I played with him in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: He's still around backing up who freaking Patrick Mahomes. Why?
Speaker 1: Because he's a sure thing, there's no question marks. He
Speaker 1: knows how to run the offense. Guys respect him. He's
Speaker 1: going to be around. He's knowledgeable. They could throw the ball,
Speaker 1: he can make all the throws. He could do everything
Speaker 1: he needs to do. Is he gonna put You were
Speaker 1: talking about a quarterback. Who was that quarterback you were
Speaker 1: talking about last season that did come in and win
Speaker 1: a game for a team. Oh? Man, I think it was.
Speaker 1: I can't think of his name, but you were talking
Speaker 1: about a backup quarterback, one of the guys that you
Speaker 1: would just recognize. My bad. Oh you're good, you're good, man.
Speaker 1: But it's important. It's important, And I think that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are fooling themselves if they think that they can
Speaker 1: go into another season not having that secured or they
Speaker 1: feel good about it. They maybe they just are that
Speaker 1: confident in their backups and something that we just haven't
Speaker 1: seen much of. And that might be the case as well.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I just number one, I
Speaker 1: can't see them like Andy Dalton fell in their lap,
Speaker 1: you know, because he's from here. But even so, they
Speaker 1: spent gave him a three million dollars deal that could
Speaker 1: have gone to five or something like that. I just
Speaker 1: don't know if they have that kind of change anyway
Speaker 1: for that position. But I definitely could see them saying, look,
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush won us a game last year, another year
Speaker 1: in the system, He's good with Kellen Moore, Will Greer
Speaker 1: was coached by Doug nust Meyer. Like, they're comfortable with
Speaker 1: those guys. I could just see that happening. So right
Speaker 1: now you are comfortable with saying stat quo everyone in
Speaker 1: the room at the desk. No, I'm not. We're just
Speaker 1: understanding what the Cowboys are doing. Yeah, because I mean
Speaker 1: we're necessarily comfortable with it. Chris being come off the
Speaker 1: top rope right now, man, I'm want to tell me,
Speaker 1: are you okay at the backup quarterback position or are
Speaker 1: you saying, look, we're gonna go stay with Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: or do you think we need to do something more
Speaker 1: and free agency to bring in a capable backup. Well,
Speaker 1: Coop's fine, I think because I mean, Coop won a
Speaker 1: game for you. All you needed a guy come in
Speaker 1: and win one game? Right Yep? No, I mean what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Chase Daniel is probably who you're thinking about.
Speaker 1: He was with the Kansas City Chiefs for a while
Speaker 1: the wind up with the Chargers. Correct, Yeah, but Henny
Speaker 1: has started games in the league. Yeah, kind of like Dalton.
Speaker 1: You know, you put you get a guy like that
Speaker 1: as your backup, that's pretty good situation to be in.
Speaker 1: It's the guy he has the mustache, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: my guy from midshoe competitor. Yeah, so that's what That's
Speaker 1: what I mean a guy like that. Let you know,
Speaker 1: that's a complete competitor guy. You know, it's could come
Speaker 1: off the matt He's gonna do everything that you need. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is your guy. But real quick, guys, before we
Speaker 1: get out of here. The Competition Committee is meeting again
Speaker 1: and they're talking about the overtime rules and they want
Speaker 1: to change it. They want to change the overtime rules.
Speaker 1: Can they change kickoff at the process unless he freaking
Speaker 1: kickoff actually get returned. Well, they're just trying to save
Speaker 1: people from being able to the game. Come on now,
Speaker 1: let's take it out of the Pro Bowl. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: got I got this straight. It frustrates me. It just
Speaker 1: frustrates me. There's no point of kick, no more play.
Speaker 1: Nice Isaiah, I'm trying. I'm not very I'm direct. The
Speaker 1: Competition Committee, did they have this hip is looking into
Speaker 1: overtime and they are trying to figure out a way
Speaker 1: to give both teams an opportunity to score no matter what.
Speaker 1: Because of the Kansas City Buffalo game. I guess no
Speaker 1: one ever wanted that game to end. They could still
Speaker 1: be playing right now for fans if they care. Really,
Speaker 1: is that why Kyle is an Indeed, did he go
Speaker 1: up there just to deliver that proposal like is in
Speaker 1: the meetings with maybe so because you know, he was
Speaker 1: one of the people that was definitely saying that he
Speaker 1: wanted that. But how do you guys feel about that
Speaker 1: in overtime rules? I've turned around on it. I used
Speaker 1: to when we brought it up and Kyle went on
Speaker 1: his I mean it was like a rant for ten
Speaker 1: minutes about it. I was like, I don't really care.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's fine. You know, they already adjusted it once.
Speaker 1: But I saw some stat about the percentage of teams
Speaker 1: that get it first when there is something to it,
Speaker 1: there's data behind it that maybe, you know, let's make
Speaker 1: this more fair for both teams to have a shot.
Speaker 1: You know, this league is so I'm okay with the
Speaker 1: rule change if they do it. This league is so
Speaker 1: offensive driven that is making me sick. It really makes
Speaker 1: me sick that people even are even considering that, like
Speaker 1: whatever happened to putting your defense on the field and
Speaker 1: getting a stop, is that is that a far gone
Speaker 1: conclusion that that could happen, And that happened the next
Speaker 1: week come on though, championship game and went overtime. Kansas
Speaker 1: City won the toss. They was a three and out
Speaker 1: and then Burrow got the ball back and they won
Speaker 1: the game. It isn't doing it though, would be a
Speaker 1: closer step towards college with the twenty five yard line
Speaker 1: and all that, which I think is really exciting. I
Speaker 1: used to think it was kind of tricked up in
Speaker 1: the beginning, but now I think it's really cool. You
Speaker 1: still on the side of it whatever, Who cares. There's
Speaker 1: pros and concert at all. Yeah, if you keep going
Speaker 1: to the point where everybody's getting shot, these games would
Speaker 1: never end. I think that. Yeah, reality is And why
Speaker 1: they're not doing those doing that is because the TV
Speaker 1: they have to they have time frames that they have
Speaker 1: to get off the air. That's the reality. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: the next game, because the next games is starting. Money
Speaker 1: rest the world and money runs football, and if they
Speaker 1: change this rule, I am just I'm not gonna be livid,
Speaker 1: but I think it's just going to what I already
Speaker 1: know about the NFL. They want to give the offense
Speaker 1: the competitive advantage always, and they're just dumbing it down because,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's not exciting unless the offenses are
Speaker 1: throwing for seven hundred yards a game. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: let's throw it sixty times a game. Give the fans
Speaker 1: something that they want. Anyway, guys, I'm gonna end this
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