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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: The Op's the World's most Dangerous Morning to show to

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Speaker 2: Breakfast Club. Charlamagne and God, Lauren l Rosa, DJ Envy

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Speaker 2: is sick, Jesse Larryus is on maternity leave. But nowle

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Speaker 2: Simone is here and the good brother Tyl kwal Lee

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Speaker 1: What's up, King?

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Speaker 3: You say my name like my parents do. That's the

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Speaker 3: right way, right, That's how my parents said. You know,

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Speaker 3: the Muslims say Talib, but I was raised as Tali.

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Speaker 1: I live.

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Speaker 3: That's how you know. I've known you for a long time.

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Speaker 1: How are you, King?

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Speaker 3: I'm gret good to see you new album.

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Speaker 1: The confidence is knowing?

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir?

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Speaker 1: What is the confidence annoying? Not just the album, but

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Speaker 1: that mantra? What is that? What is that?

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Speaker 3: Well? First of all, shout out to Jay Rowles, the

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Speaker 3: producer professor at the Ohio State University, producer Brownskin Lady.

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Speaker 3: He's my partner on that album, So shout out to

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Speaker 3: Jay Rowles. But the confidence of knowing is a quote

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Speaker 3: that I got actually from Jay Z. He said it

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Speaker 3: off the cuff in an interview and I feel like

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Speaker 3: he heard it somewhere. But it stayed with me for years.

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Speaker 3: It's the idea that as an artist, you have to

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Speaker 3: know that you're on the right path. You have to

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Speaker 3: know that you're doing the right thing, even when the

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Speaker 3: world tells you that you sound crazy when you say

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a artist for a living, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Even when the world says, nah, that's

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Speaker 3: not gonna work. Your chances of succeeding in that world

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Speaker 3: are so small. You should get a regular job. And

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of voices like that for artists. So

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Speaker 3: for art you have to have the confidence to know that,

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Speaker 3: even though the world is telling you that you're crazy,

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Speaker 3: that you're doing the right thing.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's interesting, but that I remember when Hole said,

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Speaker 2: you know, skills sold lyrically, I'll probably be talib kwali.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if in that moment was he truly confident.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. I feel like he was in

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Speaker 3: that moment. He was telling us that he feels restricted.

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Speaker 3: You know, he'd still had to like drop an album

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Speaker 3: every fourth quarter to get the sales of Rockefeller up

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Speaker 3: at that time. He still had to make records for

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Speaker 3: the radio, records for the club. The business of it

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Speaker 3: the business of it, and then after that when he

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Speaker 3: was a billionaire, he no longer has to do that.

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Speaker 3: Now you got the Basquiat dreads. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Now he looks like how I look like in high school.

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Speaker 4: He sounds like, do you ever feel restricted?

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Speaker 5: Because I know like you do your own thing a lot,

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Speaker 5: like so, have you ever felt that restriction? Even like

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Speaker 5: with the release of this project, I've seen you talk

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Speaker 5: about like you tour so much, and like just some

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Speaker 5: of the comments you've made about yourself.

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Speaker 4: I think you're in a really great space and you

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Speaker 5: But it's a lot different artists normally, Like you said

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Speaker 5: it yourself, you would understand. My son will call you

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Speaker 5: a one hit wonder depending on where they listened to

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Speaker 5: in hip hop and whateer. They are a lot of

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Speaker 5: artists to be upset about that, But you are very

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Speaker 5: comfortable with where you are. Do you feel restricted sometimes?

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Speaker 5: Like you have to fall into the business because of

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Speaker 3: I think I've gone through that I could listen to

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Speaker 3: records I've made. I like all my records, and I

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Speaker 3: think that I'm good at my craft. But I can

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Speaker 3: the intentionality behind this song was to be in the

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Speaker 3: And the less I do that, the happier I am.

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Speaker 4: When did you start doing that less though you remember

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Speaker 3: Like man, I think it was a gradual process. I'm

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Speaker 1: Well, wasn't that the.

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Speaker 2: Meaning behind rugues back in the day, Like there wasn't

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Speaker 2: that label. They're so artists didn't have to compromise.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But then Simon says happened and it was such

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Speaker 3: it to radio was Definition. Me and most death and

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Speaker 3: Flex like that he was playing at it. If you

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Speaker 3: And so Simon says, comes next and uh, and Simon

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Speaker 3: says before before Simon says, the raucous thing was independent

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Speaker 3: as fuck, like we don't need the radio. We independent

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Speaker 3: until you get a radio single. Then the label started

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Speaker 1: That's not what you want to hear.

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Speaker 3: That's not what you want to hear from either one

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say.

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Speaker 6: And the confidence of knowing, because I feel like, especially

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Speaker 6: the type of rapper that you are, when you talk

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Speaker 6: amount of knowledge that you drop, it's kind of like

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Speaker 6: how do you how do you navigate? And just like

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Speaker 3: I think for me, it's been rewarding to be this

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Speaker 3: I think people outside of the culture see hip hop

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Speaker 3: and violence, and it's easy for them to critique that.

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Speaker 3: But I think for me and the community that come

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Speaker 3: I'm excited about. I wake up excited about it. I

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Speaker 3: and I encourage other artists to not depend on the

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I hope I answered your question. It's a

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Speaker 4: Now you do.

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Speaker 6: I just I feel like because I'm a person who

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Speaker 6: gravitates towards like conscious music, and I feel like at

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Speaker 6: times I don't want to be aware, but I can't help.

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Speaker 6: But be aware because this is just where I'm like,

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Speaker 6: that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because music, especially for people who are marginalized in

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Speaker 3: the communities that we serve with our music. These people

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Speaker 3: and it often is. And so a lot of people

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Speaker 3: go to the club. You go to the club. People

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Speaker 3: go to the club. They don't want to hear somebody

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Speaker 3: talking about the election or black nationalism, you know, saying.

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Speaker 4: That in this room.

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Speaker 3: You gotta let me say it with you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I basically was trying to say that as well, too,

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Speaker 5: Like even if I have like conscious music that I

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Speaker 4: It's stuff gets heavy.

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Speaker 1: Like she started off, hear that ship.

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Speaker 4: I said, that's how it was edited. Ask the question.

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Speaker 4: It's not what I said, It was how it was edited.

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Speaker 5: And I was asked the question, Yeah, right, I think

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Speaker 3: Not this movie. This movie that did years ago. She

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Speaker 1: I don't know why that have them come up. I

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Speaker 3: I just do it about it just when you just said,

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Speaker 3: You know, you know what it is. But but you know,

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Speaker 3: I used to go to strip clubs a lot. I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I have to talk to this, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So I get what you're saying. But I will say

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Speaker 3: this to that point because what you're saying is correct.

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Speaker 3: The hardest thing to do is to make conscious music

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Speaker 3: I challenge myself. I run to it and knowing that child,

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Speaker 3: knowing people want to hear that escapism, how can I

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Speaker 4: And that's why I.

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Speaker 5: Considered I consider you that and that's why with the

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Speaker 5: when you were I think it was Toy Races yead

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Speaker 5: a Toy Race show when you were on his show,

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Speaker 5: and you said the thing about like you're a most

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Speaker 5: touring rapper, Like you tour, you make money. But at

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Speaker 5: the same time, you would understand why some people would

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Speaker 4: Or whatever, how are people label you?

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Speaker 2: It's just a super dope record that means something to

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Speaker 3: Matter of fact, to sink the video Forget By myself

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Speaker 3: They were like, that's a mix, a mixed show record.

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Speaker 3: I met Jay at a Lincoln Center at this roots event,

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Speaker 3: you listen to that remix, there's many different versions of it,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, real wild, real wild.

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Speaker 3: I'm triggered.

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Speaker 4: Whatever people talk about that remix, that is crazy.

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Speaker 3: But shout out to all of them, because that's how

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Speaker 3: It just became like a Lightning Rod.

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Speaker 6: I kind of miss that era though. Just give it

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Speaker 6: to the DJ, just put it out. I'm excited about

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Speaker 2: The label still even mad, like like what, like what

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Speaker 1: It ain't radio, if it ain't labeled, like what do

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Speaker 3: I think it's you know, the power of the people.

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Speaker 3: You know. I don't. I don't know how this show

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Speaker 3: works anymore because I don't know what's y'all tape or

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Speaker 3: what's live. I'm so confused, but you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Like I was, I was listening to y'all talk about

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Speaker 3: I think what people from his generation, like the conversation

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Speaker 2: It's it was interesting, right because when you have these conversations,

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Speaker 3: But I think they are for the for those we

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Speaker 3: I think we not in those conversations, people like our

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Speaker 1: I think that the kids are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, even when even when you hear people say like for.

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Speaker 5: You've heard this right future because that whole like is

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Speaker 3: I think just like it goes from errors like for

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Speaker 3: For a certain era, nobody's better than Future, and nobody

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Speaker 3: Biggie jay Z and os I think it just.

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Speaker 2: Keeps that I have Future in my Fantastic four.

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Speaker 2: But then I sit back and think of myself, why

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Speaker 3: Tyler is not a product in the industry.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what I'm so even with guys like y'all,

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Speaker 1: And I've heard people say.

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Speaker 5: I don't feel like.

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Speaker 4: I don't feel like Future is a product of the industry.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I feel like he got some industry vibes when

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Speaker 5: like the whole like dating Sierra thing happened just because

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Speaker 3: He got fifteen years old.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, like the Machine, when I hear product

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Speaker 4: I feel like Future does his own thing.

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Speaker 3: I might be mistaken, I don't know, because I know

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Speaker 3: Future was bubbling in Atlanta in a way that you know,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't really a part of that to see how

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's what I mean.

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Speaker 5: He's still there are a lot of product of the

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Speaker 5: That it's hard to do the balance, Like I think

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Speaker 4: It's different.

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Speaker 6: Conversation one street was the woman.

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Speaker 4: It's different. We don't got to argue about it right now,

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Speaker 3: I say this when I say product industry, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that you like a plant or like

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm not That's not what I'm saying. What

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Speaker 3: I'm saying is a certain point, a button was pushed

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Speaker 3: building absolutely got behind future. And the Tyler's case, I

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Speaker 3: his labels, they got behind him, But it's not they

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Speaker 3: not bringing him up to to see y'all the way

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Speaker 3: And maybe that's just because I had Tyler and his

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Speaker 3: I still want to answers for this. He he did

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Speaker 3: I'm TALLI quality, And to this day, I still don't know.

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Speaker 3: I still don't get the joke. Yeah, I hope he

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Speaker 3: wasn't trying to disney.

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Speaker 4: A birthday party. I don't know, like wearing a birthday.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember what he was wearing, but I remember that.

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Speaker 3: But I never got an explanation for that.

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Speaker 2: But I guess that's what I'm the question I'm trying

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Speaker 1: Is it because there was no machine behind you to

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Speaker 3: But well, we had a button push though, Okay, fair raucous.

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Speaker 3: They paid the payolas, they paid the they paid for

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Speaker 1: So it was a lie the whole time.

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Speaker 3: They were technically yeah, technically they were independent, but they

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Speaker 1: Did y'all get more money for your albums? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the deals, the deals that we got, the advances

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Speaker 3: artists a sign. They'll let the artists bubble and social

440
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Speaker 3: media and get your own because they realized that's how

441
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Speaker 3: people discover art. So that's what Rucus was doing back then.

442
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Speaker 1: Did y'all have a flirt with signing with somebody bigger,

443
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Speaker 1: like a def jam.

444
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Speaker 3: Black Star had a deal on Geffen, and we had

445
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Speaker 3: a deal in MCA, and then Rucus got scooped up

446
00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,920
Speaker 3: by Geffen, and Geffen got scooped up by Interscope. I've

447
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,160
Speaker 3: had major I've been signed to Warner Brothers, Interscope, Capitol.

448
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,480
Speaker 3: I've had major deals. I've had independent deals. I've put

449
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Speaker 3: it out myself. I've done it all.

450
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Speaker 2: Do you feel like a Black Star made a wise

451
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Speaker 2: decision or a poor decision by putting by not putting

452
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Speaker 2: the last album out?

453
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Speaker 3: Why? That's a great question. There's pros and cons to it.

454
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Speaker 3: The pros are the deal I did with Luminary, which

455
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Speaker 3: was a podcast company. To put the Blackstar album out

456
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Speaker 3: with Luminary meant that by the time you heard the album,

457
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Speaker 3: I'm in the Black. That's never happened career.

458
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Speaker 1: Wow.

459
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Speaker 3: Normally I have to go out and beg people to

460
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Speaker 3: come by the album. Hey, y'all got a new album out,

461
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Speaker 3: and I didn't have to do that. I already made

462
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Speaker 3: my money back before the album ever came out, and

463
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Speaker 3: so financially lucrative wise, it made a ton of sense

464
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Speaker 3: in the world. But I'm still a product of this culture.

465
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Speaker 3: I still want to be involved in the culture. I'm

466
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Speaker 3: a rapper. I want people to hear my raps. So

467
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Speaker 3: the trade off is we made our money. I didn't

468
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Speaker 3: lose any money, but a lot of people didn't get

469
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Speaker 3: to hear the album. I will say that I wish

470
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Speaker 3: and this is a wish and to hope that people

471
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Speaker 3: would be more to your I wanted to say this

472
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Speaker 3: to you earlier about being a conscious consumer, because you

473
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Speaker 3: said you're into conscious music. But I think too often

474
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Speaker 3: we put the onus on the artist to be conscious,

475
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Speaker 3: particularly rappers, and we don't put the onus on ourselves

476
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Speaker 3: to be conscious consumers. Conscious radio hosts, conscious radio programmers,

477
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Speaker 3: conscious DJs, conscious whatever, conscious teachers, conscious garbage collectors, everything.

478
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Speaker 3: And if you're a conscious consumer, you got don't want

479
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Speaker 3: to meet the artists where they're at. But the fact

480
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 3: is is that these people have been a lot. We

481
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 3: have a generation who was raised to think music was free,

482
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Speaker 3: to not have to pay for music. It's already available

483
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 3: to them on the apps. So when you come to

484
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Speaker 3: people and say you know what to hear my album,

485
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Speaker 3: I need you to click two or three extra buttons

486
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Speaker 3: on your phone. They'll be like, what, how dare you?

487
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Speaker 3: What's wrong with you? You don't care about the people, and

488
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Speaker 3: they get very upset about it.

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Speaker 6: I think we're kinda like low key getting back to

490
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Speaker 6: that though, because a lot of people are putting their

491
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Speaker 6: music out on even and like behind a paywall before

492
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Speaker 6: they put it on major DSPs. And I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm guilty of I mean, you know, I grew up

494
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Speaker 6: on long Wire.

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Speaker 5: Then artists I support though because I know that. So

496
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Speaker 5: like if I support, you know, not really lock it.

497
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Speaker 5: Like while I always pay, I will pay for stuff

498
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Speaker 5: even though I don't even to be honest with you,

499
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Speaker 5: like it goes to the other side of your Apple

500
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Speaker 5: music library, like when you actually download it, and I

501
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 5: never go over there. But I just do it just

502
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Speaker 5: because I want to support him. So it's a little

503
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Speaker 5: bit different for us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I actually buy music for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't be mad as someone who doesn't. I

506
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: wish more people had the knowledge, you know, because it's expensive,

507
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Speaker 3: not just financially but spiritually mentally. You know, we put blood,

508
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Speaker 3: sweated tears into this and it's like, you know, and

509
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 3: now in order to be successful in the streaming error.

510
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Speaker 3: You have to feed the machine. You have to keep creating,

511
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Speaker 3: keep creating, keep creating, and you're rewarded by that.

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Speaker 6: That's actually what I really was trying to ask, and

513
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Speaker 6: the confidence of knowing, because being conscious is like you

514
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Speaker 6: know so much and you'll say these things but people

515
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Speaker 6: don't really hear you, and like, is that frustrating.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of things that I that I

517
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Speaker 3: hate being correct about and I get frustrated. But that's

518
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: just ego. So I have to remove my ego from that.

519
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Speaker 3: And that's that's why I laughed, because I'm working on

520
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 3: that a lot lately.

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Speaker 4: What were you correct about that?

522
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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 5: You'd be like I told yall, like you were correct then,

524
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Speaker 5: but now it was so much there's I know there's

525
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Speaker 5: one you mean.

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Speaker 1: Like I told you, I don't think that to give me.

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Speaker 4: Like the top two of like okay, the top two.

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Speaker 3: Uh. I used to be on social media a lot.

529
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Speaker 3: I've been kicked off a bunch of social media because

530
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Speaker 3: I argue with people and I gauge and they don't

531
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Speaker 3: want that, and I with the argument I'm having are

532
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: over like bigotry in politics. It's not like for in

533
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 3: my in my opinion. It's not trivial stuff. It's stuff

534
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: that's imported to talk about. But man, if you ask

535
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Speaker 3: anybody about me on social media who's not a fan

536
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Speaker 3: of me, you'll hear this often. Ty calls everybody a nazi,

537
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Speaker 3: he said, he why is he always saying everything is

538
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Speaker 3: white nationalism? Everything is and what's in the news, what's

539
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Speaker 3: dominating the news cycle? Right wing general who in his

540
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Speaker 3: it gave the definition of fascism. He said, fascism is

541
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Speaker 3: a right wing extremist, authoritarian philosophy. That this guy that

542
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Speaker 3: I worked under when I was his military advisor is

543
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 3: a fascist. This guy praises Hitler. I've been ringing this

544
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: bell for years, since twenty sixteen. I was out in

545
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Speaker 3: front of the White House protested because he was saying

546
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Speaker 3: fascist Hitler like things, and people were like, you're crazy,

547
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Speaker 3: you keep saying Nazi. People would come to my page.

548
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 3: I put up an anti Trump post, and people would

549
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Speaker 3: stop what they doing in their day and come to

550
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Speaker 3: my page and be like, you shouldn't do that. You're

551
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: a democratic puppet. You're a puppet of the Jews. This

552
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 3: is the type of things people say to me. You

553
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 3: tell me that I'm because I'm against Nazi, that I'm

554
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: a puppet of the Jews. You know who you You

555
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 3: sound like a Nazi. And I felt like I was

556
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Speaker 3: going crazy a little bit because to me, it's clear

557
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Speaker 3: I'm a little disappointed in our mainstream media because the

558
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: way that the CNN and MSNBC and all them, they're

559
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: on the story now, but it's like this is nothing new.

560
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Speaker 2: I just had this conversation with last night, like literally

561
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Speaker 2: because I've I've been talking about this double standard. The

562
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: fact that we treat Trump so normally is mind boggling day.

563
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: And if you've ever read like a book like The Fault,

564
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: the Rise and Fall of the Third Right, you can

565
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: see exactly we're on this same exact path, a fast

566
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Speaker 2: track of fascism in a it.

567
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Speaker 3: Is when Trump comes out and says, Kamala Harris is

568
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Speaker 3: the socialist, communist, Marxist, those are the enemies of the Nazis. Politically,

569
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: that's the opposite political spectrum. So if someone is trying

570
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Speaker 3: to pander the Nazis, they're gonna call you a socialist,

571
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: they're gonna call you a communist, They're gonna and Kamala

572
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Speaker 3: Harris is not any of these things. She's an imperialist,

573
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Speaker 3: she's a capitalist. She's not a socialist. She's never been

574
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Speaker 3: a socialist, she's never been a communist. These are just

575
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Speaker 3: boogeyman words. And and the the Democrats, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden,

576
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Speaker 3: you know all of them, Barack Obama, Bill Clan, the

577
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Speaker 3: Democrats as a party. There's so many things you could

578
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: say that they've done wrong. There's so many flaws, there's

579
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Speaker 3: so many times they've taken advantage of the black community.

580
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: There's so much out there you could criticize them for.

581
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: And a lot of these criticisms are valid. But what

582
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: I find disheartening is you have people who can now

583
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Speaker 3: become experts and can eloquently tell you how racist the

584
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: ninety four crime Bill was, and why Joe Biden shouldn't

585
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 3: have said on this show, you know, vote for me

586
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: if I'm black. They can, they can, They know all

587
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: that stuff. But then you point the Trump's racism.

588
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: And I don't see it. I don't see it.

589
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: I can't trust you. I'd rather trust someone who says

590
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Speaker 3: I don't trust either one of them. Right, there's someone

591
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 3: who's trying to convince me to support Trump. So the

592
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 3: fascism thing is very because to me, that's to me

593
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: the difference. Even though I don't agree with a lot.

594
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: I don't agree with the Democrats on Gaza. I don't

595
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: agree with the Democrats on certain immigration policy. There's a

596
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Speaker 3: lot of things I don't agree with them on, but

597
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Speaker 3: they're not fascist.

598
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Speaker 1: None of us want to. You do not want to

599
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Speaker 1: live under authoritarian rule, and you just don't want.

600
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Speaker 3: These guys, the right wing, they straight up say they

601
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Speaker 3: do not believe in democracy anymore. They don't want a democracy.

602
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: They don't like the idea of the d DEI right.

603
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: They don't like a diverse America, all these foreigners coming

604
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 3: in having a vote. They don't like that. They want

605
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 3: minority rule. That's why they have the Electric College. The

606
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: Electric College was designed so that rich white men have

607
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: all the power. Even if the majority says that's the

608
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 3: people we want, they said, well, we're the landowners, so

609
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: that's the people we want, you know what I'm saying.

610
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: So that's one thing, And then the other thing is

611
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: you would.

612
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Speaker 2: Be jailed right now for having that conversation, like literally,

613
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: that's what that's what we're headed towards.

614
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: When he's talking about.

615
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Speaker 6: Putting towards potential is.

616
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Speaker 2: We got eleven days Like he's talking about putting journalists

617
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: in jail, talking about jail and his political opponents, talking

618
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: about putting people inttention.

619
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Speaker 3: If you vote for me, you won't have to vote anymore.

620
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Speaker 1: Ever again, how what?

621
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: How much? Like that's clear fashion.

622
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Speaker 1: Its mind boggling. Bro let it and he let an

623
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Speaker 1: attempt to cool it his country. We saw it.

624
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: He's trying to he wants to get rid of the

625
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: Department of Education, which is what's one of the top

626
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: things that that says in Project twenty twenty five something

627
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: he said he has nothing to do with even though

628
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: all his advisors and all his people are the ones

629
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 3: that put it together. Anyway, I don't want to talk

630
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: too much about that guy.

631
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: It is what it is.

632
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Speaker 5: Well, I do have one question. It's kind of related

633
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 5: to that guy before you get off.

634
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, look, if y'all want to talk about that,

635
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: I could talk about all the day.

636
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: It kind of gives It goes back into music.

637
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 5: When Kanye was on Drink Champs and he made the

638
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 5: comment versus you conversation and then you had responding was

639
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 5: like you talked about how he told you that he

640
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 5: didn't really want to be down for Trump that Rick

641
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 5: Ruby made him do that and like all that stuff.

642
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 4: Right, have you talked to Kanye sinto all of that stuff?

643
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, The last time I spoke to Kanye was a

644
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: last I ran into him at a hotel maybe last

645
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: March is after drink Champs.

646
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Speaker 5: After drink and this is after your comedy. Had he

647
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: saw what you said in response?

648
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: Yes, I this is the first time I saw Kanye

649
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: after drink Chimps. And I walked up on him and said,

650
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: I knew that was you. I could tell from your

651
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: silhouette of your baseball hat from across the room. And

652
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: then he we had a long conversation and he told

653
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: me then that he does not support Trump anymore. He

654
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: said things since then publicly that would lead me to

655
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: believe he still supports Trump. This guy goes back and forth,

656
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: but when he sees me. Both times I saw him,

657
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: he says, I don't support Trump. I feel like he

658
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 3: don't want to say that in front of me. But

659
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: if you watch the Drake Champs, he says, uh, talim

660
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: quality is always telling me to read. I wish he

661
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: would read himself to death. That's what he said. On

662
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: the show. And it's because a lot of the things

663
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: he says, I would send him links and articles instead

664
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: of just you wrong, I'd be like, you read this,

665
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: And so he was. That's what he was reacting to

666
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: the fact that I keep trying to make him read.

667
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 3: And I feel like Kanye is a genius. He's an icon.

668
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: Musical genius.

669
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, musical genius, I cut fashion icon. Culturally, he's very important,

670
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: but he's not very well read.

671
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: Admittedly, admittedly I don't read, admittedly, and I think.

672
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 3: Not being well read I don't education shame. I try

673
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: to be careful because my parents are educators, or try

674
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: to be careful, but I feel like the education American

675
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: education system is failing us. And this is why where,

676
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: this is why someone who's been indicted for rape has

677
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: a very strong shot of being president for the second time.

678
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 5: And so you haven't talked to him recently to know

679
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 5: like where he stands with the Kamala the Trump right now?

680
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't know what his

681
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: position is on this now, but I do. Last time

682
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: I spoke to him directly, he seemed personally offended by

683
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: like not getting what he the relationship he wanted from Trump.

684
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: I think you know Kanye, Kanye, Kanye, Kanye goes where

685
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: he's liked. There was a documentary made about me a

686
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: few years ago. Someone interviewed Kanye and he talked about

687
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: how he met me and most Death and Yah Seen Bae,

688
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: and he said, nobody liked my beasts, no one liked

689
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: my ROMs. But I started working with these guys because

690
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 3: they like me. When you see Kanye talk about his

691
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: love for Trump, it's rooted in Obama dissing him. These

692
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: guys like me. You know, when you see him wear

693
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: the red hat is because it's like the mag of people.

694
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: They're supporting me, even when nobody else is. These people

695
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: support me. I think in the era of likes and

696
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: wanted to be liked, I think Kanye just wants.

697
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: To be liked.

698
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, man, once you see him

699
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: hugged Trump in the Oval office and say you.

700
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: Like a dad to me.

701
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: Made me feel like a man.

702
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: I really have not looked at him.

703
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I got a lot of love for that guy,

704
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: but he'd be saying wild stuff.

705
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: How do you feel about the state of hip hop today?

706
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: For for for just just from just cultural actions like

707
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: when you think of the Kanye's, when you think of

708
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: the diddies like you know, like Russell Simmons, it's like

709
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: these pillars of our of our of our culture, and

710
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: you know the.

711
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: Stains that are on their legacies. Now what do you

712
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: what do you think about that?

713
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: It's twofold. I don't think we could separated at about

714
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: this a little bit. I don't think we could separate.

715
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: I don't think we should separate these people from hip hop.

716
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: Hip hop is beautiful, it's ugly. Hip hop is good,

717
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: it is bad. We have conscious activists who are uplifting

718
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: the community in hip hop. We have abusers and rapists

719
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: in hip hop. We have all of it. So I

720
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: think we do a disservice to ourselves to be like, well,

721
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: uh that you know, to to not talk about it

722
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: in that way. We have to hold each other accountable.

723
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: We should be in the hip hop community. We should

724
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: hold these people accountable who are doing these things before

725
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: it leaves our community, before we see I have to

726
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: see the mainstream media explain to us what the freak

727
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: off is? You know what I'm saying. We should this

728
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: should already be issues handled in our community.

729
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: With that said, yeah, yeah here from down now exactly exactly.

730
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: But I will say that in the conversation, and I

731
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: alluded to this earlier, we have to also understand that

732
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: the conversation about hip hop is not being had with

733
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: people like me and mind, with the conscious artists in mind.

734
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 3: And so, yes, hip hop is all those things, but

735
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: hip hop is also it's also very beautiful. I don't

736
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: think hip hop should be held accountable for what Diddi

737
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: is accused of.

738
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: I agree.

739
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: I don't think hip hop should be held accountable for

740
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: what any of these people are accused of are doing,

741
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: or with Diddy, even with Diddi, Like there's the accusations

742
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: and then what we actually saw on the tape, so

743
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: that's not an accusation, Like we saw him hit that

744
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: girl like that and beat on that girl like that,

745
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: and like we have to deal with that. But to me,

746
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: that's not a hip hop thing that we can't blame

747
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: hip hop for that. But as a hip hop community,

748
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: we should circle the wagons and address.

749
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 2: It because it's gonna be impossible, right, Like, I think

750
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: about what happened with the fifty years of hip hop,

751
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: when or even now it's fort I think it's forty

752
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: years of Death Jam. You can't tell the story of

753
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: death Jam without telling the story of Russell Simmons. But

754
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: you gotta tell them. But you got to tell everything

755
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 2: in totality. When they do these bad in the future,

756
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to.

757
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 3: Most of that with Russell. I know they said he

758
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: was served in Bali or something like that, but yeah,

759
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we have to address it. Russell,

760
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: He's important. What's even deeper than Russell is somebody like

761
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: a band body right Africa, Like there is no hip

762
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: hop without him. But there there have been several allegations

763
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: and accusations. As far as I know, he hasn't been arrested,

764
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: he hasn't been to court. But you want to. You

765
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: want to you want to respect victims and you want

766
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 3: to uplift their voices. If I'm to believe these victims,

767
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 3: this is something we have to be able to address.

768
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: But to be honest about what these people are now.

769
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 3: Karas One got in trouble on drink Champs years ago,

770
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: because first of all, on drink Champs you get drunk

771
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: and you're saying, wow, ship he got in trouble because

772
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: you know he was there in the Bronx at that time,

773
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 3: he was trying to he was trying to say that

774
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: he's not he was trying to pick up the legacy

775
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 3: of ben Bada and not ignore it. But but people

776
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: felt like he didn't do enough to support the victims.

777
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 4: I think it's because it's sorry to cut you off.

778
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 5: But just as a as a woman, I think the

779
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 5: biggest part of that is there's always this like should

780
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 5: we believe? Should we not believe, especially when it comes

781
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 5: to power, celebrity, money, power dynamics exactly. So I think

782
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 5: it's always just it's such a weird line of hope

783
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 5: just because of that. It's like, so you don't blame

784
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 5: hip hop, you can't separate them in from the music.

785
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 5: Some people won't do that right, and that keeps a

786
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 5: celebrity and the power in it. And then you ignore

787
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 5: and you blame a Cassie and say, oh, she just

788
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 5: wants money until you see her being dragged up, like

789
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: up and down a hotel hallway. So I think that's

790
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 5: where the tuggle with how do we deal with it

791
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 5: as a community in hip hop?

792
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: Right?

793
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 5: Like that's that's for me where that line always comes

794
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 5: and it's hard to kind of figure out. I mean,

795
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 5: like us, Like how he said we need to deal

796
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 5: with certain things before his mainstream and others. That's what

797
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 5: I mean by that, and not just hip hop as

798
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 5: a music genre, but like just us as black people.

799
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: People who are aware of this behavior the whole time

800
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: and never said anything about.

801
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you were aware. I've been around

802
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: these people and I haven't seen any of these type

803
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: of things. But I'm sure there's people who've been around

804
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: who have seen these type you know, the stats tell

805
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: us that women aren't often lying about these things when

806
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: they say in their abuse in this way. So you know,

807
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 3: I definitely believe in innocent until proven guilty. But at

808
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 3: the same time, we have to we have to uplift

809
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 3: and support victims that we have to. To your point,

810
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: understand when there's a power dynamic involved that it's somebody

811
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: like a Cassie. You know, there's a lot of criticism

812
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: about how she went about doing it. None of us

813
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: were in her situation. It's very dangerous for her to

814
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: come out and say these things. You know, not just

815
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: in terms of what people think someone like a Diddy

816
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 3: is potentially capable of doing her, but just in terms

817
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: of how society looks at her her mental health to

818
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: be have. Yes, it's a lot, man, God blessed Cassie.

819
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: She's very brave and it's a shame that she went

820
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: through that, and it's a shame that it got to

821
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: this point that we had to see this videotape for

822
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: it to get for it to get any semblance of justice.

823
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: And I don't even know if she feels like she

824
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: got justice.

825
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 6: It's also interesting because I feel like when you do

826
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 6: like call out something on culture that hey, guys, this

827
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 6: is something we should actually be paying attention to, like

828
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 6: this is a problem. It kind of falls on deaf ears,

829
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 6: like because like how are you actually going to get

830
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 6: the message across? Like I don't even know. It's almost

831
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 6: kind of like seeing like police killings, Like you see it,

832
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 6: it happens, you feel away, but then you just keep

833
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 6: like it's already normalized so much that I don't see

834
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 6: a change.

835
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: I want to share a story to your point about

836
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 3: a lesson I learned in that years ago. Rick Ross

837
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 3: had a lyric on the song oh Yeah, and people

838
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 3: were upset about this lyric rightfully so Me and uh

839
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 3: Me and Lupe Fiasca were arguing about it on on Twitter.

840
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: It caught Mark Lamont Hill's attention. He invited me on

841
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: his show. He was on huff Post Live at the time,

842
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 3: and I was on with Rosa Clemente and uh Jamela Lemieux,

843
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: and we got into an argument and their point. These

844
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: were friends of mine, but their their point was that

845
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: what he's saying should not be tolerated in hip hop culture.

846
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: And I was like, I agree with that, but I

847
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: don't think we I don't think we should separate what

848
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: he was what he's saying from hip hop culture, Like

849
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: there are rape lyrics in hip hop culture before, right,

850
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: so I think we need to have context. And I

851
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: was trying to make a nuanced point, and a lot

852
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: of people didn't agree with me. You know. Dream Hampton

853
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: was somebody who I thought was a friend of mine,

854
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: came out against me and was like, Tyler Qually is

855
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: enabling rape culture. There's another lady of Brittany, Brittany Cooper.

856
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 3: She had the crunk feminist thing and she wrote an

857
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: essay about how I am a poor example of I'm

858
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: not an ally to women because I'm protecting Rick Ross.

859
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: And then all the Rick Ross fans was mad at

860
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: me because like, why are you calling out Rick Ross.

861
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: So I was like caught in a in a rock

862
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: and a hard place how I felt about it. And

863
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: I wrote a response to Britney's thing about me because

864
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: I felt personally offended by it, and I stand by

865
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: everything I say in that response except for one thing.

866
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: One thing I did in my response to her was

867
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: I talked about my activism. I talked about the work

868
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: I've done my songs, and you should. You should take

869
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: it to context who I am. But I declared myself

870
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: an ally to women, and I learned in real time

871
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: that that's not my place to do. And so I

872
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: dismantled my own argument by declaring myself an ally to women.

873
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 3: It's not my place to do that. It's for women

874
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: tell me that I'm their ally, and that's something I

875
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: had to learn. That was a blind spot that I

876
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 3: had had to learn. So even though I felt like

877
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: I was being treated affair, you can be treated affair.

878
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: You can be right about something and still respond in

879
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: an incorrect way.

880
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 5: And I think that that's important too with hip hop artists,

881
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 5: because I feel like a lot of times when things happen,

882
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 5: you really don't know where to lie. Because certain things

883
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 5: have been normalized and also to you want to believe

884
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 5: all women, but then sometimes we find out and through

885
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 5: court cases that things aren't true. But I think it's important,

886
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 5: Like what you just said is like you allowed, you said,

887
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 5: you know what, I got that wrong and then being

888
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 5: able to set back and learn. For me as a woman,

889
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 5: I've learned so much from my male friends about that

890
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 5: on my side of things, and I think if men,

891
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,479
Speaker 5: especially men and hip hop, were able to remove their ego,

892
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 5: the chains, how big the chains are, how much they cost,

893
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 5: and really listen to some of the women that are

894
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 5: in their lives, just your mom.

895
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

896
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 5: It's certain things that even even if it's just music,

897
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 5: you can understand it. And sometimes I think there are

898
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 5: certain things in music that we allowed to just be music.

899
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 5: And I'm not here to argue whether that's right or wrong,

900
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 5: but there are certain things that happen, and I'm like,

901
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 5: I hear certain men speak on it in hip hop,

902
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 5: and because of your ties to this person and what

903
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 5: they meant to your life, the stuff that people are saying,

904
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, bro, you should have been quiet because.

905
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: You know what Lauren.

906
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: I will say this because Lauren's absolutely right and everything

907
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: that she's saying.

908
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: I think that.

909
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: The things we thought was just music are the things

910
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: we thought was just jokes did trigger somebody because somebody

911
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: actually went through that, right, So it's like, I think

912
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: that's that that was always the blind spot for I

913
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: think all of us and Nicolech's.

914
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: That's interesting because you know, you have you have what

915
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: you say on social media and public, and then you

916
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: have your private group chats with your friends and family,

917
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 3: and that's how.

918
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 4: We raises black people. You don't need a house and

919
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: some and you.

920
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 3: Know, in this private group chats, you and your family members,

921
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: y'all might share memes and say things that are off

922
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: color that you want to say in front everybody, just

923
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: you know, make a jokes that you know is not

924
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: appropriate for public. And so when the Diddy news broke,

925
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 3: you know, I have a group chat with my whole

926
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: crew and men and women from all different races of people,

927
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: and people start posting memes baby oi and memes and

928
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: stuff like that. And one person was like, this is

929
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: not funny. We shouldn't be joking about this, and I

930
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: had I I had to have a compentity joke. She checked,

931
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: She checked someone who made a joke in the in

932
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: the public group chat, and so I went and spoke

933
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: to her separately, and I'm like, maybe you should have

934
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 3: hit that person on the side, because now now people

935
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 3: don't don't feel like they could express theirselfs in the

936
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: group chat. And then she's like, I'm sorry, it's just

937
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: that I have a friend who went through this and

938
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: was in a situation at one of these parties, and

939
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: I just but but she understood my point, and I

940
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: understood her point.

941
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: You know what I learned that too. I learned that watch.

942
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: I learned that watching the Dreamhampton doc that she did

943
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: on All Kelly. When I when when the victims were

944
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: talking about how Chappelle's jokes and Boon Dogs jokes and

945
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: everybody's jokes had affected them, and I was like, y'all,

946
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: I never thought about that because in my mind we

947
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: was clowning R Kelly.

948
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: Right, you never thought about it.

949
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: And some people need the jokes to get over it.

950
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: Some people, oh, something just funny, and some are just

951
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: someone just fun like that's just funny. But the confidence

952
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: is doing right. I wanted to ask you something about

953
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: the album that slipped my mind. What the hell slip? Oh?

954
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: You got a lot of new artists on this album. Yes,

955
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: a lot of new artists. Why was that intentional?

956
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 3: And shout out to Jay Rowles. I've done more features

957
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: than anybody, maybe sized busted Rhymes, and so I'm kind

958
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: of like tired of asking people for features, you know,

959
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 3: because you feel like you have the favorite bank with people,

960
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: you don't want to exhaust it. And I Rolls like

961
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: we should need some features, and I said, Okay, Rolls,

962
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: I don't feel like calling up any more favors from

963
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: these artists, but you tell me what your wishless is

964
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: and I'll make one phone call and if they deliver

965
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: within the next couple of months, I'm not chasing nobody

966
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: for these features. I'll put the call out and God

967
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: bless everybody on the album. Every person on that wishless

968
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: is on this album. So that was Jay Rolls. I

969
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: want to He's like, I want to work with your

970
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: meta Rose. I had never heard of your Meta Rose.

971
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 3: I want to work with Coast Contract I was familiar with.

972
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, but I wasn't sure they were

973
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: going to get on the album. Even with the song

974
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: I did with them, it's probably the most the song

975
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: that's gained the most traction for album Swat. I sent

976
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: them five beats before they picked the beat. They were

977
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: very serious about like you know, Georgia An mouldro someone.

978
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: He he said, I want buck Shot on the album.

979
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 3: I was like, that's nothing. We could get buck shot

980
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: on the album. So yeah, it's like shout out to

981
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: Jay Rowls for making that decision.

982
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: But it's definitely just like lyricists. Buck shot man Sko

983
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: was actually my cousin.

984
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 6: Everybody.

985
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: I'm actually disguise you right now. I've been on to

986
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: Risk all summer. It was just you do a lot

987
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: I do. I'm leaving to Ireland tonight.

988
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 4: Are you jet like? You said where did you say that?

989
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 5: You said jet lag is your perpetual state of being

990
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 5: jet leg right now, that's correct.

991
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm always jet like. It's like the whole of

992
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: the Avengers movie. I'm always I'm always chet lagged.

993
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: But you said that earlier.

994
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: You said artists don't make money off their art, so

995
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: that's like, this is the way for you to make

996
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: your money.

997
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, touring is absolutely my My most revenue stream is

998
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: how I feed my family off of touring. I try

999
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: to As I get older, I want to do it

1000
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: less trying to increase the revenue streams, trying to have

1001
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: more stuff out. I wrote a book, I've been podcasting

1002
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: other things, but yeah, touring is it?

1003
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: What's up with you and Dave y'all? What the part

1004
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: with you and Dave y'all?

1005
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: Dave kind of does that. We recorded the Summer Pandemic.

1006
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 3: We recorded man some like eight hundred hours and stuff

1007
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: like it's crazy and Dave. I think he gets distracted

1008
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: with specials and getting awards and stuff like that. You know,

1009
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 3: he has so much going on. There was a time

1010
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: for a year what all he cared about was that podcast,

1011
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: and that's when you saw episodes come out. I think

1012
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: he's gonna get back to that. He talks about it

1013
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: all the time, but we haven't got back to actually

1014
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: like cheffing it up. But as Midnight Miracle is a

1015
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 3: great situation. Shout out to y'all seen Bay and Dave Chappelle.

1016
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: You got the song Native Sons on that Yes? What's

1017
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: that song represent for you?

1018
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: Man?

1019
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: That song means so much to me. That song means

1020
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: so much to me. The Native Tongues is my foundation.

1021
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: Junger Brothers, Trump, Real Quest Soul, Queen Latifamony love Black Sheep,

1022
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: Russell rhymes Leaders, New School chi Ali beat Nuts. What

1023
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 3: they laid down is like, that's really my blueprint as

1024
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: an artist, and so.

1025
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: That song.

1026
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out how much I want to

1027
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: share about this story, but because I was asked not

1028
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: to share certain aspects. But what I will say is

1029
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: that song started out in a darker place and because

1030
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: it's a tribute to the native tongues, I sent it

1031
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: to Q Tip and he was like, that's not the

1032
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 3: right energy, and Q Tip gave me suggestions on what

1033
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 3: I could do with that song. That took his suggestions

1034
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: and because of that, the song is one of my

1035
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: biggest songs. Recently, we went on Jimmy Fallon with the song,

1036
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: I got a remas come in with some special guests

1037
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: to people gonna really love. Some of them are okay,

1038
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: some of them are And I just gotta thank you Tip,

1039
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: because I sit the last bar on that song was

1040
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 3: a trip Coal Quests in the Hall of Fame, because

1041
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: when I wrote that song, I was like, this song

1042
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: gonna come out at around the time the Tripical Quest

1043
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: is in the Hall of Fame, and I went to

1044
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 3: see Tropical Quests get adducted in the Hall of Fame.

1045
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 3: It was one of my greatest memories of my whole life.

1046
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: And then I DJ'ed the after party, Cooling the Gang.

1047
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 3: After party, me and Jay Rolls DJ the party. I

1048
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: didn't even know Roles was gonna be there, so it

1049
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: was like synchronicity and Cooling the Gang was there, Chuck

1050
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: d In Flavor Flave, Mary J. Blige, Common Jennifer, you

1051
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: know uh de la soul Qte Tip didn't perform at

1052
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because I imagine

1053
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: it's hard for him to perform without fife recipes to fife.

1054
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: But at the after party, he jumped on the mic.

1055
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: It didn't need the apple bum and Mary J. Blige

1056
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: did the Blackest Black And it's like for me to

1057
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 3: be in that room with DJ read Alert downstairs DJ

1058
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: and the Cooling the Gang in the next one. I mean,

1059
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 3: it's like, this is my whole life in one room,

1060
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: and man, big up the Native tongues and a lot

1061
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: of new music. A lot of new artists are finding

1062
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: it hard to inspire the people because the music is

1063
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 3: being made like an assembling line. It's more it's disposable

1064
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: these days. But what a tribe Core Quest and day

1065
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: La Soul, Jungle Brothers and all these people, Queen Latifa

1066
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: and all these people only love represent is uh timeless

1067
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: and priceless And man, I just had such a great

1068
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: time this weekend.

1069
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: What does it mean for you to see Tribe Call

1070
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 2: Quests get inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

1071
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: It's it's it means that I'm we're doing the right thing.

1072
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: It means that it means that when when I had,

1073
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: when we had the confidence of knowing back then, when

1074
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 3: hip hop wasn't this global thing, that we were right,

1075
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: you know. And I feel so good for the family

1076
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: of Fife and q chip Is. If you watch that

1077
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: documentary that Rappaport did about trip Co Quests, Uh, Pharrell

1078
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: in that documentary says, we're all they sons and musically,

1079
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 3: I believe.

1080
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: That Tyler Kwali the confidence of knowing new album with

1081
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: Jay Raws is out right now.

1082
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming to my brother shout out to

1083
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: this wonderful energy. I really liked this interview. Y'all did

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Speaker 3: a fantastic job, and y'all talk about important things, and

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Speaker 3: I'm glad I got to come up here and thank y'all.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's the Breakfast club, wake that ass up in

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Speaker 1: the morning. Breakfast Club