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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty and now he I'm Strong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: As you know, twelve days ago, I had dinner with

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Speaker 3: President Trump, a dinner that was set up by my

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Speaker 3: friend Kid Rock because we share a belief that there's

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Speaker 3: got to be something better than hurling insults from three

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Speaker 3: thousand miles away. And let me first say that to

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Speaker 3: all the people who treated this like it was some

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Speaker 3: kind of summit meeting. You're ridiculous, like I was going

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Speaker 3: to sign a treaty or something.

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Speaker 2: I have no power, and he's.

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Speaker 3: The most powerful leader in the world. I'm not the

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Speaker 3: leader of anything except maybe a contingent of centrist minded

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Speaker 3: people who think there's got to be a better way

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Speaker 3: of running this country than hating each other every minute.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, your lips to God's ears, even though you're

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Speaker 2: That combay uh before we.

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Speaker 1: Get to that's Bill Maher from his HBO show on Friday,

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Speaker 1: and he had dinner with Trump and Kid Rock and

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Speaker 1: Dana White and a couple other people at the White House,

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Speaker 1: which would be about the coolest thing that ever happened

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Speaker 1: in your life, if you ever got to do it,

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Speaker 1: it's a hell of a guest list. But Bill Maher

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Speaker 1: with his whole I'm a centrist. He's a centrist left,

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Speaker 1: but I mean compared to you know, the politics of

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Speaker 1: a centrist. No doubt there anyway that crowd us can

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Speaker 1: take back over. Is there any chance of that.

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Speaker 2: We have to be specific about what we want to

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Speaker 2: do and attack it in an organized way.

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Speaker 1: I think he got I think rules need I think

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Speaker 1: laws and rules need to change. I think the current

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Speaker 1: structure of campaign finance and that sort of stuff. I

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Speaker 1: don't think rhetoric could change it. I think he had

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm well, yeah, I'm not talking about rhetoric necessarily,

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Speaker 2: But in our school system, which is, as we've outlined

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Speaker 2: many times, completely infected with far left ideology, needs to

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Speaker 2: be dealt with. Pretty much.

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Speaker 1: The only way you lose your seat as a Senator,

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Speaker 1: as a House member is from someone in your own

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Speaker 1: party who's further to the extreme than you. That's almost

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Speaker 1: the only way you lose. So as long as that's true,

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Speaker 1: we continue down the road we are. But I'm off

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Speaker 1: track already. Here's Bill Maher talking a little about what

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Speaker 1: it was like to eat Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: In the Oval office. He was showing me the portraits

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Speaker 3: of presidents, and he pointed to Reagan and said, in

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Speaker 3: all seriousness, you know the best thing about him his hair.

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Speaker 3: I said, well, there was also that whole bringing down

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Speaker 2: He laughed. He got it.

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Speaker 3: He didn't get mad. He's much more self aware and

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Speaker 3: he lets on in public. Look, I get it. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter who he is at a private dinner with

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Speaker 3: I'm just taking as a positive that this person exists,

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Speaker 3: because everything I've ever not liked about him was, I

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Speaker 3: swear to God absent at least on this night with

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Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? It really is?

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Speaker 1: And Bill Maher's a hardcore trumpeter. Everything I've ever not

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I mean we all have our public facing persona,

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Speaker 2: what we do and how we act, and we're a

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Speaker 2: he's described by everybody who spent time with him. Friends

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Speaker 1: Of course, a lot of the things Bill Maher hates

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Speaker 1: hear a little more from the lefty Bill Maher.

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Speaker 3: There were so many moments when I hit him with

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Speaker 3: I want your opinion sort of way. He didn't get

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Speaker 2: He took it in.

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Speaker 3: I told him I thought parts of his plan for

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Speaker 3: I never felt I had to walk on eggshells around him,

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Speaker 3: And honestly, I voted for Clinton and Obama, but I

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Speaker 2: That's just how it went down. Make of it what

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Speaker 2: you will. I thought that was really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I would have never been able to talk to Clinton

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Speaker 1: feeling so comfortable and like you're having a real, you know,

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Speaker 2: They're actually listening to you, that sort of thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's describing the other side of the coin, that is

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Speaker 2: Trump's ability to connect with people in general, but like

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Speaker 2: Which is interesting is he's almost certainly the richest guy

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Speaker 2: who's ever been president or perhaps ever will be. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. The common touch they used to call it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Bill Maher talks about how he looks

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Speaker 1: you in the eye and seems to actually be listening

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Speaker 1: to what you're saying. I mean, that's really really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm not surprised because, like Joe said, we

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Speaker 1: know people who've worked for him, like worked for him,

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Speaker 1: saw him every day. That was the one woman that

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Speaker 1: we knew that was before he was president, when he

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Speaker 2: She worked with him and said, no, he's not like

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Speaker 2: that at all. I said, yeah, that's not surprising to me.

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Speaker 1: That's a personality trait. Though we've all known successful people.

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Speaker 2: Who don't listen to you and not successful.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, it's not like you have to have

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Speaker 1: It's just it's some sort of personality trait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is less about politics or hating Trump

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Speaker 2: or loving Trump or anything like that. It's just trying

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Speaker 2: follows his gut, and he trusts his gutten and it's

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Speaker 2: served him well in a lot of ways, undeniably. I

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Speaker 2: you know, that's my opinion. What's interesting is he comes off,

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Speaker 2: guy who's much more open to listening to other people's opinions,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mar says, I've had so many conversations with prominent

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Speaker 1: and he mostly steered the conversation to what do you

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Speaker 1: think about this, which is interesting, and Bill Mars.

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Speaker 2: Says, I know your mind is blown. Mine mind is blown.

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Speaker 2: But that's what it was like. Yeah, yeah, I liked

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Speaker 2: where he was. He compiled a list of the terrible

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Speaker 2: have to play that later and had Trump sign the

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Speaker 2: list for him, which he cheerfully did. That's pretty funny.

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Speaker 2: So getting back to the whole WWE, Trump's got a

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Speaker 1: Just to wrap this up, not to be Trump obsessed,

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Speaker 1: but he did have his physical over the weekend. I

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Speaker 1: an excellent health and robust neurological condition by the White

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Speaker 1: House physician. The seventy eight year old Trump. It's hard

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Speaker 1: Listen to this as a seventy eight year old fat

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Speaker 1: Trump's blood pressure clocked in at one twenty eight over

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Speaker 2: No, it's the only medications he takes. Wow, that is well,

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Speaker 1: He You know, doctors will tell you what's the Don't

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Speaker 2: Right, right, So coming up trying to untangle what the

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Speaker 2: to the media's Biden cover up than just group think,

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Speaker 2: and Jack was right all along. Hey, as I do

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Speaker 2: to admit it, Doctor Jill was the engine. She was

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Speaker 2: the evildoer behind the scenes. We have lots of great

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Speaker 1: I got a question for you, because she's speaking live

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Speaker 1: now and Hanson congrab it. How much do you want

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Speaker 1: to hear from Katy Perry about how going into space

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Speaker 1: changed her as a person?

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Speaker 2: I want very much to hear that for the purpose

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Speaker 2: And they're home. Oh my god, like that the screaming,

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Speaker 1: I think they're calling it Katy Perry and Bezos's uh

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Speaker 2: It's a very soft light landing, despite what the sporty

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Speaker 1: A hard landing. But maybe there's springs in there that

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Speaker 1: makes it feel soft.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm trying to care, but I just don't.

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Speaker 2: As long as everybody's okay, I'm happy.

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Speaker 1: It took them a long time to come out. They

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Speaker 1: came out, their hair was perfect. I guarantee you the

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Speaker 1: I mean, d Perry looked like she looks on the

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Speaker 2: Speaking of behind the scenes the true story of the

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Speaker 2: Biden sinility cover up coming up later on. Plus my

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Speaker 6: Preto Watts, the richest guy on earth running all over Washington, DC,

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Speaker 2: That is Bernie.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we don't have any cheering for Nard Sanders pay

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, Bernie Bernie speaking at the big Coachella

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Speaker 2: Man, that's a long time, but it's worth it to

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Speaker 2: hear me yelling about holagauchs. Right.

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Speaker 1: So I got this funny thing. We'll get the audio

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Speaker 1: this montage. Bernie has been so complaining about oligarchs have

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Speaker 1: I think the first one's nineteen ninety two where he says.

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Speaker 2: I have bad news. Oligarchs have taken over our country.

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Speaker 1: And he says every year for the past thirty some years,

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Speaker 5: This great country of ours is moving very rapidly in

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Speaker 7: More and more moving toward in oligo in the direction

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Speaker 5: Olia, and that is the system we are rapidly moving, Todd,

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Speaker 8: But you get the point, Sanders, How great is that?

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Speaker 2: without playing and down with the olig Come on, hilarious.

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Speaker 2: It is hilarious, hilarious. So this is more than dissecting

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Speaker 1: to say something negative that's going to end that. I'm

435
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Speaker 1: more likely to than most people, But a lot of

436
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Speaker 1: people would never do that.

437
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Speaker 2: Right, And we talked about it and we decided now

438
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Speaker 2: we're going to be the outsiders, which is why we are,

439
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Speaker 2: which is fine. That's why you know a lot of

440
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Speaker 2: government people hate us. But that's fine. It's badge of honor, honestly.

441
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Speaker 2: So anyway, I thought that was pretty good analysis by

442
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Speaker 2: Beckett Adams about how it was a combination of a

443
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Speaker 2: bunch of cattle who don't think independently and just they're

444
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: such ass kickers and boot lickers because they want to

445
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Speaker 2: be close to power. Part of it is for access,

446
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Speaker 2: because then you can do better reporter. Sure, I mean

447
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Speaker 2: that's true.

448
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a problem if Donald Trump says to

449
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Speaker 1: Associated Press, for instance, I'm not gonna let you on

450
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Speaker 1: the plane if you're going to call it the Gulf

451
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Speaker 1: of Mexico. Yeah, and you know they can complain about that,

452
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Speaker 1: But then what are they going to write about the

453
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Speaker 1: presidency which is whole segment of the reporting because they

454
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Speaker 1: have no access.

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Speaker 2: Right right. So, and then you read Mark Leebovich's brilliant

456
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Speaker 2: book This Town if you haven't ever about how they're

457
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Speaker 2: all part of the same industry and they know it,

458
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Speaker 2: the media and the lobbyists and the politicians and the

459
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Speaker 2: aids and the rest of it. Anyway, So I thought

460
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Speaker 2: that that was really interesting. But then this Andrew Styles

461
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Speaker 2: writing for The Free Beacon in his usual snarky style,

462
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Speaker 2: which I really enjoy. Many have suspected that doctor Jill Biden,

463
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Speaker 2: not a real doctor, played a key role in saving

464
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Speaker 2: the country by facilitating Donald Trump's long awaited return to

465
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Speaker 2: the White House. His point of view obvious in this piece,

466
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Speaker 2: but many of have assumed the former First Lady and

467
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Speaker 2: acting President was possessed of an insatiable lust for power,

468
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Speaker 2: which Drover to insist that her enfeebled husband run for reelection,

469
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Speaker 2: and the ill advised decision nearly destroyed the Democratic Party, etc.

470
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Speaker 2: Forced the party to rally around Kamala Harris, who's just

471
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Speaker 2: utterly incompetent and talentless. And then he goes through some

472
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Speaker 2: of the accounts from the many Tell All books that

473
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Speaker 2: are now out, and a couple of key quotes Biden

474
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Speaker 2: now I told journalists Jonathan Allen and Arnie Amy Parnes, sorry,

475
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Speaker 2: author of Fight Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House, quote,

476
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Speaker 2: Let's be honest, Jill was one thousand percent behind this.

477
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Speaker 2: So she was pushing it. The staff was all pushing it.

478
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Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, I don't think

479
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Speaker 2: anyone that inner circle was presenting the president any contrary

480
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Speaker 2: advice that this is not going to be easier, maybe

481
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Speaker 2: this is not the best thing for the Democratic Party.

482
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Speaker 2: So doctor Jill was running the pro camp and the

483
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Speaker 2: anti camp didn't really exist, right And continuing on the

484
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Speaker 2: theme of insiders and being close to power, Alan and

485
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Speaker 2: Parnes note that many of Biden's longtime aids were also

486
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Speaker 2: desperate to cling to power and refused to consider advising

487
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Speaker 2: the president to retire after a single term. Quote, this

488
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Speaker 2: is senior advisor Mike Donnellan, who's a heavyweight in democratic circles. Quote.

489
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Speaker 2: Nobody walks away from this. Nobody walks away from the house,

490
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Speaker 2: the plane, the helicopter. This burning desire to retain the

491
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Speaker 2: perks of the White House, the authors explained, was double

492
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Speaker 2: true for the first lady, doctor Jill It enjoyed them

493
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Speaker 2: for nearly a decade quote, and the trappings of the

494
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Speaker 2: most elite levels of Washington power had grown on her.

495
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Speaker 2: She likes power. She wants to say stay, said Douglas Brinkley,

496
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Speaker 2: the historian, She wants some sense of revenge.

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Speaker 1: You know, I used to say for years, this is

498
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Speaker 1: a bit of a tangent, But I used to say

499
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Speaker 1: for years, I don't understand the whole power thing, people

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Speaker 1: wanting power.

501
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Speaker 2: I've never wanted power in my life. I've never felt

502
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Speaker 2: like I lusted for power. Blah blah blah. I lost

503
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Speaker 2: for it on a daily basis, moment to moment, Oh

504
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Speaker 2: my god, and I will wield it with an iron fist.

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Speaker 1: And I guess I didn't have the right perception of

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Speaker 1: what power is. I was thinking of it as like being,

507
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Speaker 1: you know, the power to pass a law. I mean,

508
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Speaker 1: obviously a president has a power. You know, see Trump

509
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: up in the world economy with the stroke of a pen.

510
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Speaker 1: That is, like, you know, very easy to understand power,

511
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Speaker 1: but I've never understood the whole lust for power and

512
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Speaker 1: everything like that. And this person explained to me how

513
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Speaker 1: you have power, You have power, and you like your power,

514
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Speaker 1: and it is just, you know, it's more theoretical than real,

515
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: but like to have some influence on the discussion of

516
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Speaker 1: the world, and that's power.

517
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Speaker 2: And this job ends for me.

518
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Speaker 1: And the one of the things that I will feel

519
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: so empty about and weird about and I don't know

520
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: how I'll adjust to.

521
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Speaker 2: Is having no say in anything. That's power.

522
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Speaker 1: And so I guess I do have a lust for

523
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Speaker 1: power because I don't want to give this up, all

524
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Speaker 1: ate it when I have to give it up. And

525
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Speaker 1: so having any influence on the world over anything, you know,

526
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Speaker 1: whether it's your staff or the White House kitchen, or

527
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Speaker 1: who gets to play at the Kennedy Center, if you're

528
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Speaker 1: Jill Biden or you know, the president, one's easy. But

529
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Speaker 1: all this other stuff I don't know makes more sense

530
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Speaker 1: to me now. And of course you wouldn't want to

531
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Speaker 1: give that up. And so not only would the President

532
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Speaker 1: and Jill Biden not want to give it up. If

533
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Speaker 1: you're in the Biden administration and you tell him I

534
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Speaker 1: don't think you should run again, and he says, Okay,

535
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Speaker 1: you're out of a job.

536
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Speaker 2: You no longer work in the White House. The coolest

537
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: thing you'll ever do in your life, career wise is

538
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: now over.

539
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: And you're gonna go teach it at college somewhere or

540
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: get a job with a law firm or something. But

541
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Speaker 1: it ain't gonna be anything near what you got. Now,

542
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: who among us would would sign up for ending that?

543
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Speaker 1: I mean, you might be real down the pavement.

544
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Speaker 2: To get some sort of dim wit elected in the

545
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Speaker 2: forty third district of Ohio, right instead of being in

546
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Speaker 2: the White House now, So I'm cutting some slack to

547
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: a lot of these people who are not wanting to

548
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: end their careers well, right. What this all boils down

549
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Speaker 2: to to me is not like a moral judgment exactly.

550
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Speaker 2: And press is a different question. The media is a

551
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: completely different question. Yes, yeah, But again, to me, all

552
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Speaker 2: of this does not boil down to a moral judgment,

553
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: although there certainly can be one made, for instance, about

554
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Speaker 2: clinging to power even when it could be devastating to

555
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Speaker 2: the United States, like doctor Jill here. It's helping people

556
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: understand what quote unquote the government is. It's not what

557
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: you read about in textbooks. Although the Civics education is

558
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: really important. You have to understand that these people, from

559
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Speaker 2: the Assistant Undersecretary of Agriculture to Jill Biden to even

560
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: guys like us. Theoretically, although I want to talk about

561
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: that more later, they are not looking out for you

562
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: they claim to be. They have a dozen ulterior motives,

563
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Speaker 2: which is why the founding Papa's God Bless their eternal wisdom,

564
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: told us over and over again. We're designing a system

565
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Speaker 2: to protect the people from the power of the government

566
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Speaker 2: because you can't trust people who have power. You must

567
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Speaker 2: watch them like a hawk all of the time because

568
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Speaker 2: they will abuse their power, all of them, and ways

569
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Speaker 2: small and large. Those who don't, holy crap, that's great,

570
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: it's an exception. But assume they will have selfish motives.

571
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Speaker 2: That's the point of our country. That's my point in

572
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: bringing this stuff up. It's okay to be suspicious of power.

573
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: You're supposed to be. That's your job.

574
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Speaker 1: So CNN is calling it the Edge of Space. The

575
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Speaker 1: all female space flight returns from the edge of space,

576
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: which is much more accurate. Katie Perry did not go

577
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Speaker 1: up into space. She just went really high, somewhat higher

578
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Speaker 1: than you've gone in a plane.

579
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Speaker 2: Big deal. What but what is it with you and this,

580
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: this spaceflight in a gigantic vibrator. If you've not seen

581
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Speaker 2: the picture of the rocket, as soon as you do,

582
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: you'll understand Gail King should have rethought the whole kissing

583
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Speaker 2: the ground thing. Good idea if you're young, Not so

584
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: good idea if you're old. The video it's like, whoa,

585
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Speaker 2: it takes her a long time to get down. Hold

586
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Speaker 2: on a second, I'm gonna go down here. Yeah, yeah,

587
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Speaker 2: I'll be back up. I can't anyway. We got more

588
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 2: on the way, a bunch of stuff. Stay here.

589
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Speaker 9: A educcasion department has launched a website in which students

590
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Speaker 9: can report public school teachers who violate anti DEI rules.

591
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Speaker 9: So remember, teachers, you got to sleep with the white

592
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Speaker 9: ones too.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a cynical joke there. I don't remember if

594
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Speaker 2: you were here when we talked about this last week.

595
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Speaker 2: The latest teacher.

596
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you were the latest teacher, Hotty who slept

597
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Speaker 1: with a high school student at their house.

598
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, the poor husband. I was here all

599
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Speaker 2: week Jack last week except for Friday when I was

600
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Speaker 2: at Augusta National Golf Club. Yeah.

601
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Speaker 1: So I was just looking on that next hour. I

602
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Speaker 1: was just looking at a clip from that What was

603
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Speaker 1: the weather like idyllic, fantastic. It's funny because my allergies

604
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: are so bad. That's why I sound like this. I'm

605
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Speaker 1: looking at that picture of the guy who won the

606
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Speaker 1: Masters in the background, and all I see all those

607
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Speaker 1: things in bloom, and I think.

608
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Speaker 2: That looks awful. It just looks awful because my allergies.

609
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Speaker 1: It's funny, how you know your body tries to your

610
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Speaker 1: brain tries to protect you from stuff that's trying to

611
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Speaker 1: kill you. So over the weekend, me and both my

612
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Speaker 1: boys we are like, oh my god, look at that.

613
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Speaker 1: You know, you see a bunch of flowers. It shouldn't beautiful.

614
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: It just looks like.

615
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm nothing but negative reactions to those blooms because

616
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Speaker 1: it seems to be trying to kill me.

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Speaker 2: More on that experience next hour. There are some fairly

618
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Speaker 2: interesting aspects of it, even if you're not a golf fan.

619
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Speaker 2: In fact, I guarantee it.

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Speaker 1: Here's I am going to get to the story at

621
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Speaker 1: some point, because it came cross this yesterday.

622
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Speaker 2: It's a study. It's really kind of interesting why some

623
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Speaker 2: people most people watch TV shows or movies they've already

624
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Speaker 2: seen again, why we do that.

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Speaker 1: There's a psychological reason. My dad doesn't, and it fits

626
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: in perfect with the science on it. So maybe I'll

627
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Speaker 1: try to get that into our three. Listen to this

628
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Speaker 1: headline from the New York Post. I haven't read the story.

629
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Speaker 1: I probably should have. It sounds interesting.

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Speaker 2: Decapitated woman's head successfully reattached after freak gym class accident.

631
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Speaker 2: What there's a lot there. First of all, what were

632
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Speaker 2: you doing in gym class where you end up losing

633
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Speaker 2: your knocking? We usually did like set ups and push ups.

634
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Speaker 2: Was there some school district in America? Or they're jousting

635
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Speaker 2: outside on the football field or full on gallop on

636
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Speaker 2: a stallion with the jousting lands. I don't know what

637
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Speaker 2: they were doing where you could lose your head. We

638
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Speaker 2: didn't know volleyball. I'm trying to think of anything we

639
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Speaker 2: did in gym class where you could have your head

640
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Speaker 2: taken off. Both ends of the story are fascinating. Soon

641
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Speaker 2: lost the head, then you say it was reattached decapitated

642
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: woman's head. This is the New York Post. Decapitated woman's

643
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Speaker 2: head successfully reattached after freak gym class accident.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm calling BS on this story, but I'll look

645
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Speaker 1: into the details get them for you later.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm no surgent Jack. My understanding of hen re

647
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: attachment is that it's not quite ready for prime time.

648
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Speaker 1: Zelensky was on sixty Minutes last night said some really

649
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Speaker 1: interesting things. I don't know if it helped his cause

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