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Speaker 1: Al Zone Media, welcome back to It Could Happen Here,

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Speaker 1: a podcast about it happening here. And in the original

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Speaker 1: cadence of this website or website, in the original cadence

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Speaker 1: of the show, that was a reference to a civil war, right,

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Speaker 1: a new civil war, It could happen here. That's what

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Speaker 1: Season one was made a big splash. Now, we kind

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Speaker 1: of covered the dystopia beat in general, but today we're

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Speaker 1: getting back to our mother fucking roots because the state

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Speaker 1: of Texas has recently declared a big old fuck you

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Speaker 1: to the federal government r having its National guardsmen deploy

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Speaker 1: razor wire at the border and stop border patrol people from,

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Speaker 1: for example, performing rescues of people who are trapped in

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Speaker 1: the water drowning. It's a whole thing. At least three

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Speaker 1: migrants have already died as a result of this fuckery

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Speaker 1: by Texas Governor Greg Abbott, and now, like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: twenty states something near to that have There may be

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Speaker 1: more by the time you hear this, but something like

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Speaker 1: twenty states have declared that they're in support of Governor

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Speaker 1: Abbott's refusal to let the Feds in and insistence that

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Speaker 1: he's dealing with an invasion and must take on the

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Speaker 1: border texas'self, and some of those states are now sending

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Speaker 1: or at least claim they're going to send national guardsmen.

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Speaker 1: So when this all started happening, we all got a

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Speaker 1: lot of messages. I got about a billion from people

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Speaker 1: being like, is this it? Is this the civil war?

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Speaker 1: And obviously a big chuck of that comes from right

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Speaker 1: wing memes because they are all talking about like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's do it, Let's have us a civil war. We're

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Speaker 1: all going to start fighting over some guy posted his

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Speaker 1: handgun collection like we're ready.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of revolvers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stupid shit, It's stupid shit, But you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not unreasonable to be like, this seems like a massive

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Speaker 1: constitutional crisis that's potentially in line with some of the

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Speaker 1: crises that precipitated the original Civil War. You've got a

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Speaker 1: governor completely defying not now not just you know, the

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Speaker 1: president and the federal government, but the Supreme Court who

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Speaker 1: ruled that you can't just have your fucking Texas goons

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Speaker 1: stop a federal law enforcement agency from doing its job

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Speaker 1: on the border. So you know, how serious is this

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Speaker 1: and is this the kind of thing that's going to

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Speaker 1: lead to a twenty four's New Civil War movie, and

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Speaker 1: my quick take on this is no, probably not. I

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Speaker 1: think what this is is in fact, a governor stretching

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Speaker 1: away with against the overall federal government, because he and

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Speaker 1: a lot of other conservative governors want to do things

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Speaker 1: that are directly in contravention of the Civil Rights Act,

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Speaker 1: of the Bill of Rights, of numerous federal protections for

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Speaker 1: their citizens. And this is kind of a way of

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Speaker 1: being like, well, if they won't fuck with us over this,

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Speaker 1: then we can probably start imprisoning journalists and you know,

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Speaker 1: killing people that or at least imprisoning people that otherwise

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Speaker 1: we would not be able to write like this is

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Speaker 1: a right wing power grab, and it's an attempt to

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Speaker 1: see is the central government weak enough that we can

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Speaker 1: get away with this stuff. I don't think they're all

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Speaker 1: going to start shooting at each other. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Greg abbott is wants to get in the shooting war

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Speaker 1: with the federal government over Mostly the dimensions of the

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Speaker 1: crisis are gend up and fake in terms of what

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Speaker 1: he is claiming it is. There is, in fact the

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Speaker 1: humanitarian crisis at our border, but that's not what his

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Speaker 1: issue is. So that's my quick take. We're going to

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Speaker 1: get into more of all of that. But James, you

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Speaker 1: are our resident border correspondent correspondent, and you have some

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Speaker 1: very strong feelings on how all of this has been

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Speaker 1: just kind of roundtable after that.

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Speaker 3: I do, in a rare instance for me, I have

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Speaker 3: strong feelings about the way this has been covered, and

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Speaker 3: strong feelings about the coverage of the border, which I

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Speaker 3: but I am beyond frustrated with the way this has

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Speaker 3: been covered. It's hugely a respond table and it's completely

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Speaker 3: context free. Like there are people, as there always are

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Speaker 3: civil war. And yes, I've seen dozens of people sharing

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Speaker 3: headlines about national Guard deployments. So happened years ago. The

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Speaker 3: National Guard have been deployed to our border for years.

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Speaker 3: I see national Guard troops every day. I had a

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Speaker 2: A friend of ours took one of their rifles.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, the National Guard have been extremely based in

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Speaker 3: arming the Butterfly Center. Yeah, they they're there. There's a

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Speaker 3: federal deployment. Texas also has a state deployment. These are

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Speaker 1: Other states have also sent National guardsmen to the border before.

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Speaker 1: By the correct that is not the first time this

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So there's a federal deployment and then there

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Speaker 3: context free reporting that you're seeing is that these guys

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Speaker 3: won't be getting the tricare, they won't be getting the

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Speaker 3: time towards their retirement, they won't be getting their GI bill, etc. So,

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Speaker 3: like the Texas guys who are deployed on state orders

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Speaker 3: pretending that he cares about Texas while actively screwing over

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Speaker 3: and Rober and I have spoken to some of those

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Speaker 3: did not seem to be super motivated to be They're

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Speaker 3: the only military unit i've seen tried to form a

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Speaker 3: union because they're not in a federal they're not in

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Speaker 3: a federal orders, so they're going to attempt to form

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Speaker 1: Get Billy bragged down to the border. We got to

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Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, let's get Billy back. I'll get him

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Speaker 3: The Rio Grande and Billy Bragg and they'll fix it.

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Speaker 3: And it has been the most dangerous deployment that they've had,

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Speaker 3: including deployment to a rug They they have, unfortunately a

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Speaker 3: for them. They also there's a quirk of Texas law

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Speaker 3: that means that they can't stop National Guard soldiers from

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Speaker 3: bringing their own firearms.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is great. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the US they can't stop them accidentally killing

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Speaker 3: each other with their own firearms. Also, Yeah, it's good stuff.

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Speaker 3: A TNG soldier did die trying to save a migrant

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Speaker 3: from the river. Yes, he drowned. So like it has

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Speaker 3: deployment that you know, they have really high. They wrote

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Speaker 2: You know which is which is really great? To death? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So much of this has been reported without any context, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: I think genuinely a lot of the people reporting on

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Speaker 3: all the time. They're not supposed to interdict migrants, but

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Speaker 3: I see them doing surveillance, and I see them guarding

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Speaker 3: open air prisons in Hiccumba almost every day. And I

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Speaker 4: We should talk more about the open air prison part,

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Speaker 4: because I think there's a lot of people who seem

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Speaker 4: like actually substantively trying to do something to help immigrants,

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Speaker 4: and like they're like this fight is like between like

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Speaker 4: or whether you think they should starve the death.

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Speaker 3: Yeah or die of dehydrat should walk through the desert

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Speaker 3: I think I've said some in the podcast before, but

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Speaker 3: is doing. That is a Joe Biden policy being enacted

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Speaker 3: an acted, or at very least. Yeah, I'm sure his

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Speaker 3: the Biden administration's policy is to deter people by making

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Speaker 3: crossing more difficult and more dangerous, which de facto makes

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Speaker 3: it more deadly. What Abbot is doing with his razor

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Speaker 3: same thing. Like they are not distinctly different. When everyone

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Speaker 3: That's a tragedy. At eight hundred and fifty people died

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Speaker 3: crossing the border in twenty twenty two, that was a

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Speaker 3: normal day. Like the distinction is maybe in degree, but

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Speaker 3: really it's an aesthetic between Abbott and Biden on this,

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Speaker 3: the US system which allows you to vote for the

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Speaker 1: And let's let's be very clear about something. Part of

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Speaker 3: I think that like leftist media has also and to

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Speaker 3: include I guess liberal media also has completely oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: two migrants in the next few weeks will be a lot.

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Speaker 3: If you care to read them, right, And that's because

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Speaker 3: people don't want to come here. They're either afraid of

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Speaker 3: they don't have the language skills. There are people who

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Speaker 3: and are people who don't have the language skills and

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Speaker 3: And you're going to see a lot of people who

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Speaker 3: writing about the border and yeah, that's how we got here,

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Speaker 3: and that's how we're getting to this largely like a

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Speaker 3: giant panic about a nothing burger. But yeah, it's the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think this is also the explanation for

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Speaker 4: why there's a lot of people going like, why is

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Speaker 4: cracking out? Because it doesn't fucking give a shit. It's

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Speaker 4: the same policy. He doesn't care, right, Like, there's not

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Speaker 4: actually substantive disagreements except over like whether it should be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And to be fair, I will say,

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Speaker 1: but you know that movie Rebel Moon by Zack Snyder.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I want to talk about Grift because we

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at friends of the podcast Tim Pool's Twitter here.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Tim, there's a guy who is excited to have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a man who's seen combat and knows

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Speaker 3: what it is to hear rounds cracking off over your head. Okay, Timple,

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to quote here at ha ha ha

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Speaker 3: Safe and Ready Meals dot com. Paul is not the

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah a million years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, he's been long time, long time food

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Speaker 3: the same tweet. Yeah, Sobiak Trump calls for all willing

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Speaker 1: I guess, guys, two things. First off, if you buy

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Speaker 1: of can't pressure canning. It's really economical and it will

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Speaker 1: It's tasty. As far as I know, no right winger

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Speaker 1: poop again, but the fucking biscuits and gravy breakfast selection there. Man,

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Speaker 1: when you're alone in the mountains, that ship is fucking fire.

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Speaker 3: I just want to plug Lentils dot org, which I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lentils the ship forever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, find balance between the yin and the yang in

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Speaker 3: Lentils do org you today? You know what's not running

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Speaker 3: on lentils guys. Unfortunately, this is not an ad pivot.

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Speaker 3: I've just I've done theil Bate switch. It's this fucking

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Speaker 3: convoy that's going to the border and we talk about this, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: let's do that. They're like, this is where I'm really

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Speaker 3: done with irresponsible reporting, like being like oh no, January sixth,

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Speaker 3: what the fuck is wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: Stop it?

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Speaker 3: But I look, right wing groups have tried to run

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Speaker 4: When drove by my house and then basically didn't get

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Speaker 3: Yep, Yet they get lost, they disagree about directions a

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Speaker 1: Of people are going to realize is that the Texas

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Speaker 3: I love the idea of a convoy of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, fucking passing Marathon and going where the

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Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, it is a really really beautiful bike ride

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Speaker 1: Oh and Marfa by the way, folks, if you're looking

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Speaker 3: So there's three convoys, right, One I think is supposed

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Speaker 1: To Texas Shares the way guys enjoy spending seven thousand

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Speaker 1: the Second Civil War will occur. Yeah, truck A bunch

436
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Speaker 1: of bunch of fucking wankers. Yeah, So I do want

437
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Speaker 1: to get into kind of like what we do feel

438
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Speaker 1: is the actual threats of this. Again, I think the

439
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: danger here is you've got a lot of kind of

440
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: fights going down about like how far can governments take

441
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: their anti trans legislation, How mean can they be to

442
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: undocumented immigrants, Like how much violence can they deploy in

443
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: deporting people? What can they do to journalists? What can

444
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: they do to people speaking out or engaging in protests

445
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: without violating the Bill of Rights? You know? What can

446
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: they do to marginalized communities about virrelating the Civil Rights Act?

447
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: I think this is an attempt to set a precedent

448
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: for ignoring federal control so that they can be crueler

449
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: to large groups of people within their purview. And I

450
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: think a lot of this is a reaction to this

451
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: is kind of there, what if we lose this election? Right?

452
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Speaker 1: I think there is a fear, and I don't necessarily

453
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: think this fear is actually like born out. I don't

454
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Speaker 1: think the rights national hopes in terms of its ability

455
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: to get elected again after Trump are as poor as

456
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Speaker 1: people want them to be, as I might want them

457
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, but I think there is real fear

458
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: among the right that if Trump doesn't win this, they're

459
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: not going to win the presidency again, right, And I

460
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: think part of what they are doing is setting up all, right,

461
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: then we will just take over and take increasing autonomy

462
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: in our red states, and we will effectively govern them

463
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Speaker 1: very differently and govern them in contravention of how the

464
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: rest of the country and how the federal government how

465
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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court says that they can be governed because

466
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Speaker 1: we can't be cruel enough without that, And I think

467
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: that is what they are stepping up to be able

468
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Speaker 1: to do. If you're asking what do I think will

469
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Speaker 1: be sort of like line crossings that could lead to

470
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: mass social violence in this country? One thing, I don't

471
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: think they're going to take that leap. While a Democrat

472
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Speaker 1: is in control of the federal government and the defense Department.

473
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Speaker 1: I think they will push for a violent crackdown on

474
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Speaker 1: everything left of the far right if they win power again,

475
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Speaker 1: because they talk about that repeatedly, because they promised to

476
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, and I think that if they lose,

477
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: there's an off chance. I don't think this is likely,

478
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: but it's not impossible that protests and violence as acts

479
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: of protest against Biden winning a second term could snowball

480
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: into something that resembles an insurgency. Not impossible. I don't

481
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: think that's the likeliest outcome. But I don't see them

482
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: starting to shoot at federal troops now while Biden is

483
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: in the White House for one thing. I feel like

484
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: that's the thing that would really clinch it for Biden.

485
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: If Texas National Guard trying to secede, well, you've made

486
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Speaker 1: his reelection campaign easier, right because now none of the

487
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Speaker 1: red states, like none of the states that secede, You

488
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Speaker 1: can't also have an election where those states get to vote, right, Like,

489
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Speaker 1: that's just not the way it works. Yeah, So I

490
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: don't feel like that's the likeliest thing. I think this is. Yeah,

491
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Speaker 1: I think I've made it clear what I think, and

492
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Speaker 1: I think it's really clear that it's time for our

493
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Speaker 1: second ad break.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully it's an ad for then new transpried oreos. If

496
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Speaker 3: you guys those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I've not seen those.

498
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Speaker 2: What wait, trans fried or well, yeah, maybe it's just me.

499
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 3: I was just reading a story earlier.

500
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Speaker 1: And I just trans fat or No, they have like

501
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: a blue transflag. Ooah, well okay they have.

502
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: Two years ago.

503
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Speaker 1: Hold on, this is okay, okay, okay, let's say I

504
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: don't definitely haven't.

505
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: I just put a link in that woke, woke biscuit.

506
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Speaker 1: That's good, I have. I have no opinion on this.

507
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: I guess it's good. Oreos aren't bigoted.

508
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, don't give your money to me instead.

509
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it really matters that. There. Ah,

510
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Speaker 1: we're back.

511
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Speaker 4: You know, one thing I think about, like part of

512
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Speaker 4: what this is going viral, and I think part of

513
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: what's an issue about this with the way it's being

514
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 4: talked about on the left, but also you know, the

515
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: way the way it's marketable to the right is that

516
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 4: the thing about this confrontation is that it looks like

517
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Speaker 4: a civil war, but it looks like it's it's it's

518
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 4: exactly perfectly engineered to look like the lead of Civil

519
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Speaker 4: War one, and that is incredibly misleading. It's it's it's

520
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,239
Speaker 4: it's basically it's like a marketing thing, right because like,

521
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 4: and this is only thing we've talked about on this

522
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 4: show for like literally since day one, is that like

523
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Speaker 4: a civil war in the United States is not going

524
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Speaker 4: to look like a bunch of states like form an

525
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Speaker 4: alliance and then all in they're fighting all of the

526
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Speaker 4: other states. Like it's it's not going to look like that.

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Speaker 4: It's going to look closer to Syria than it is

528
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: going to look like like the first Civil War. But

529
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Speaker 4: people haven't shaken like the sort of like brain worms

530
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Speaker 4: of a civil war is like sixteen states fight sixteen states,

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Speaker 4: even though every single civil war that we've had, like

532
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Speaker 4: in the intervening like one hundred, like two hundred years,

533
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 4: has not been that.

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Speaker 1: And here's here's how wrong. Here's how people are comprehensively

535
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: wrong about this. Right on the left side, you have LMAO,

536
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: you guys are going to fight the federal government with

537
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: your AR fifteen's. They got bombs and planes, and like, well,

538
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: we've seen how well our bombs and planes work against insurgencies.

539
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: We're not good at winning those if there were an

540
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: real insurgency, and there's certainly ingredients to it, it would

541
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: actually be a problem for the US. However, that does

542
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: not look like sixteen states declaring themselves seceded and going

543
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: to because that's a conventional war. And you know what

544
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: happened if Greg Abbott started a conventional war against the US.

545
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: Greg Abbott doesn't have a fucking bunker, right like we

546
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: could we could, he could be he could be blown up.

547
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: He is again nothing against being in a wheelchair, but

548
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: this is not a man who is capable of like

549
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: living underground and hiding from federal bombers. Like that's just

550
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: not the kind of conflict that you need to be

551
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: concerned about.

552
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this, this man does not have been Loden dog

553
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: in him.

554
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: He just does not know. He's sure, he sure doesn't.

555
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: He the idea of Greg Abbott taking to a hate

556
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Speaker 3: system in.

557
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: Doing a Tora Bora Texas. He's hanging out and fucking.

558
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, fucking big bend or whatever.

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00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Torah boring big bend es Christ, Yeah, will

560
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: be outstanding. We would love to see it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Fortunately, grainy photos of Greg Abbott and like the mountains

563
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Speaker 1: of Southern Texas shaking hands with Mexican revolutionaries as they

564
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Speaker 1: smile rifles to him, rifles that they also got from

565
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Speaker 1: the United States. That is what we call the circle

566
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Speaker 1: of life.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, God, we can we can dream, but it

568
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: does seem unfortunately unlikely. Yeah, it would be very funny. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: see Sealed Team go off to Greg Abbott.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely Sealed Team fighting the Texas Rangers of

571
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: if only.

572
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: Just a bunch of dudes each with a revolver because

573
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: they thought it looked cool until the very first time

574
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Speaker 3: someone was shooting back in them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's it's a real like who is on the

576
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: most HGH competition? Whoever whoever can stop the steroids from

577
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: flooding in is going to win. That's the spice in

578
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: this particular conflict. Yeah, we would love to see Joe

579
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Speaker 1: Rogan's the baron harkone and of making sure everybody speck.

580
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Speaker 3: Ups guys have enough gear floating above a fucking table. Great,

581
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: it would be wonderful in term senses. But yeah, I

582
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: don't think we're going to see a shoot. It will

583
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Speaker 3: be interesting to see how like Biden has screwed the

584
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Speaker 3: pooch in terms of like his media management of this,

585
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Speaker 3: I would say, and it will be interesting to see

586
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Speaker 3: how hard he goes in response. Like if he goes

587
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Speaker 3: in response.

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Speaker 1: I think the smart answer would be nationalize the Guard.

589
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: If there's things that you can actually prosecute people over,

590
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: prosecute them and continue to not deal with it in

591
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: the media. Like his instinct isn't bad in terms of

592
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: not wanting to feed in directly to the right wing

593
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: outrage loop, but you still have to. You still have

594
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: to go after them for this, right, And it's the

595
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: kind of thing it's probably like too much to hope

596
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: for any real action being taken, But I would say

597
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: that's probably the smarter option, right, not to say anything

598
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: of what the most moral thing to do is, but

599
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: the smart option is don't feed into the fundraising loop,

600
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: because we should probably get in on that this is

601
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: all a fundraising thing, right in addition to them testing

602
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: the waters. That's the biggest dimension of this is and

603
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: that's why we talked earlier. All of these guys Timpoole

604
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: and Jack Pisoviec and I'm sure the Daily Wire guys

605
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: are in now are like advertising your storable foods companies

606
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: and shit. The point of all this all right wing messaging.

607
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: All far right messaging starts as a grift. It all

608
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: starts with a product to sell. That's, by the way,

609
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 1: how guns became so enmeshed with the far right right.

610
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: A lot of gun companies realized that, like Americans only

611
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: need so many guns for like reasonable self defense and

612
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: hunting and even even recreational purposes. There's only so many

613
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: guns a man could shoot at a time. But you

614
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: can really get people to stockpiles shit like crazy if

615
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: you convince them they're like preparing to be guerrilla fighters

616
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: in a future civil war. And so and a lot

617
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: of these like gun tuber influencers, that's kind of where

618
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: they increasingly went because that's where the money was. And

619
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: so this becomes more and more of a part of

620
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Speaker 1: right wing politics because a lot of people on the

621
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Speaker 1: right have a lot of money to be made in

622
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: messaging this kind of stuff and selling this kind of stuff.

623
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Speaker 1: The same thing is true with the civil warshit it's

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Speaker 1: true with these like fears that the government. You know,

625
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: we can sell you storable food, we can sell you

626
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: fucking bunkers. All of this stuff comes out of some

627
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: sort of financial grift. And the biggest thing that most

628
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: of the people involved and this are hoping for Fucking

629
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Speaker 1: Jack Pisobiec doesn't want to be fucking hiding underground getting

630
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: bombed by the US Air Force. Jack Pisobiec wants to

631
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Speaker 1: make another million dollars off of affiliate sales of bullshit. Right, Yeah,

632
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: that's what And a lot of these people, these guys

633
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: doing this caravans to the borders, they're not planning on

634
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: spending their own money on gas. They're hoping that they

635
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: can crowdfund a shitload of money and I'm sure one

636
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: of them will steal all of it and run away, right,

637
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: That's what usually happens with this kind of shit. But

638
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: that's what they're all hoping to do. And so that's

639
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: kind of the over if you want to actually hurt them,

640
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: if you're looking at where do we how do we

641
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: draw a strategic victory out of this, find a way

642
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: to damage their ability to profit off of this shit?

643
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: And I do think part of it is not making

644
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: this as big a story as that otherwise might be.

645
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: But that's not simply enough, because the Right is large

646
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: enough that just through their media hyping this up, they

647
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: can make a decent amount of money off this stuff,

648
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: so more complex solutions are needed.

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00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think think we should probably discuss like

650
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Speaker 3: the potential of Abbot using this in a personal or

651
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: like later a presidential run, right, Like, yeah, he's in

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Speaker 3: New Delhi at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen he's a New Delhi hanging out with

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Speaker 1: everybody's favorite pseudo dictator of India Modi.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like Abbott trying to build this kind of like

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Speaker 3: electoral alliance and international alliance for like fascist like Wolfenstein

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Speaker 3: America is is. I think like it's concerning because like

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Speaker 3: Trump has a lot of baggage and I think obviously

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Speaker 3: he has a great degree of personal support swishing in

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Speaker 3: the primaries. But if they don't make if they don't

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Speaker 3: stick the landing with Trump, I think Abbott is waiting

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Speaker 3: in the wings to make perhaps a more competent fascists

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Speaker 3: than Trump and make an attempt at running for the presidency.

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Speaker 1: Not good anything else to say, fuck all of them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's sure.

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Speaker 4: But okay, So the other thing that you actually can

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Speaker 4: do about this is that look, this bullshit, all of

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Speaker 4: this stuff is going to continue until there's actually some

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Speaker 4: kind of sustained attack by the left on like politically

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Speaker 4: on the border regime. Right, that was a thing that

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Speaker 4: when I when I was like, you know, when I

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Speaker 4: twenty eight, and we were doing right, there was occupy Ice.

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Speaker 4: There was like, there were mass demonstrations, there was like

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Speaker 4: critical pleasure being applied, and we didn't go far enough.

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Speaker 4: Part of the reason we didn't go far enough is

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Speaker 4: a lot of people fucking a lot of very optimistic

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Speaker 4: political groups, like including like PSL et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 4: like hijacked a lot of these things and pulled people

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Speaker 4: off of occupations. But you know, there was actually there

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Speaker 4: were there have been periods in my lifetime, like not

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Speaker 4: that long ago where there was actually forward progress being

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Speaker 4: made about this shit, to the point where like even

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Speaker 4: that we're like the Democrats were trying to co opt it.

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Speaker 4: And it doesn't fucking have to be like this, Like

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Speaker 4: we don't We don't have to have hundreds of people

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Speaker 4: fucking dying at the border every year. We don't have

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Speaker 4: to have people in open air fuck prisons. It doesn't

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Speaker 4: have to be like this. We can fight them and

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Speaker 4: we can win, but it requires actually, like it requires

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Speaker 4: actually going and fighting and you know you have you

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Speaker 4: have to act. You have to actually be willing to

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Speaker 4: do this. You have to be willing to commit to

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Speaker 4: the organizing.

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Speaker 2: But if we don't, if we just keep leaving all

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Speaker 2: of this ship to like just the literal howling fascists

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Speaker 2: and then Biden who is like it like on on

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Speaker 2: the border doing the same thing but not being but

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Speaker 2: not like howling about it. Yeah, yeah, you know, like

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Speaker 2: this this, this, this country is going to go into

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Speaker 2: fucking oblivion and we are we are going, like you're

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Speaker 2: you're going to see in your lifetime the US government

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Speaker 2: shooting people on the border, like with machine guns, right

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Speaker 2: if you if we don't stop this fucking now, that

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Speaker 2: is that is what you are going to live to see.

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Speaker 2: And it does not We don't. We don't have to,

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Speaker 2: We don't have.

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Speaker 1: To live in that world. But you have to act now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a great Like it's also within

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Speaker 3: our power to like there is not a voting option,

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Speaker 3: but there is always a mutual adoption at the border.

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Speaker 3: And I know it bang on about this, but like,

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Speaker 3: if you are within range of the border, you can

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Speaker 3: go and help. If you're not, there are migrant communities

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Speaker 3: in your city, in your town, who.

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Speaker 1: Need your help.

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Speaker 3: And like, the way we get through to our boomer

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Speaker 3: uncles and Facebook ants and stuff is by showing them

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Speaker 3: that migrants are people with stories who are just the

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Speaker 3: same as you, and they just want a chance to

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Speaker 3: raise their kids someone where they're not going to get

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Speaker 3: fucking killed by a carb bomb.

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Speaker 1: And that the more.

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Speaker 3: Human interactions more people going to have with migrants, and

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Speaker 3: the more stories we can tell that's center migrants as people,

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Speaker 3: not as numbers or a tsunami or any of this

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Speaker 3: dehumanizing rhetoric, like, the more likely we are to take

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Speaker 3: the teeth out of this. And that's something that all

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Speaker 3: of us can do.

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