1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: The volume. All right, I thought i'd bring in former 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: NFL scout John Middlecoff three and out, who spent a 3 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: couple of days at the Combine, and it's real deal making. 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: For the three days people are in the executives are 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, it is a lot of nate late nights, John, 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: can you confirm that it's late nights and early mornings. 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a lot, Colin, These guys 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: are letting it rip, you know, in fairness, it's not 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: a normal life day lead, especially the coaches. The six 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: months you get to the Combine, which by all accounts 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: is tamed down dramatically from where it was. I think, 12 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 2: free cell phones, it's nothing too crazy, but I mean 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: it's it's an event unlike I mean, you have every 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: NFL head coach out to dinner, out to cocktails, out 15 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: with each other, every GM, every assistant GM. Think about 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: all the coordinators now that used to be head coaches 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: that are pretty famous. Walking around Indianapolis isn't exactly London. 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: I mean, there's not that many places to go, so 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: safe to say that JW. Marriott is ripping every night. 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: So I had to get out of there, Collin, because 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,919 Speaker 2: I couldn't last more than forty eight hours. 22 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: Let's talk first, John Snyder. I saw you sat down 23 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: with him the Seattle GM. I think he's being now 24 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: fairly regarded as maybe the best drafting GM in the league. 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different skills. There's free agency, there's trading. 26 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: Howie Rosen's probably the most aggressive. I don't think you 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: can deny that John Snyder is the best drafting GM 28 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: if you look at his track record or really since 29 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Pete left and he completely absolutely took over the entire draft. 30 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: But he's got some tough decisions to make. Kenneth Walker 31 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: is you know there's going to be a market for 32 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker. Teams like Kansas City in the AFC you 33 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: need a running back and it's a bad running back draft. 34 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: But give me your kind of sense of how John's 35 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: feeling and the kind of the crust he's kind of 36 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: riding now. 37 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think his personality feels the same whether he 38 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl or whether you would see him 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: when they would get bounced in the first round. Yeah, 40 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: obviously he's pretty elated come into this to this combine. 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: One thing he mentioned is he's because they just went 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: I mean they were playing two weeks ago. He's behind 43 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: on the draft. He's spent all of his energy getting 44 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: ready for free agency. They have a ton of money. 45 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: I personally would probably let Kenneth Walker walk. Yeah, unless 46 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: it's a relatively i mean two years, fifteen million dollars 47 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: or something. But when you start bidding for a running back. 48 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: They drafted him in the second round, but up until 49 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: the second half of this year, he's kind of had 50 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: an underwhelming career. And you bring in Flurry from the Niners, 51 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: who the Kubiak Shanahan system, you can kind of find 52 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: running backs. So my guess would be they're definitely not 53 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: franchise tagging him. Like whenever I see the Jets are 54 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: going to franchise tag Breise Hall, it's like the Jets 55 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: are gonna franchise tag a running back. Not even the 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: Jets would do that. Come on, guys, this is right. 57 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: Let's use some common sense here. So Seattle's riding high. 58 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: I got to meet Mike McDonald and talk to him. 59 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: He's really really impressive. I mean, they got they got 60 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: something pretty special going in Seattle because they have a 61 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: ton of caps base, they have a ton of young 62 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: players under contract that there, I would say they're confidence 63 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: in Sam the person. I mean, you've talked about this, 64 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: you know clearly the player, Like most players not named 65 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: John Elway or Peyton Manning, aren't gonna be great ninety 66 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: nine percent of games. But I think they are all 67 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: in on the human being. And I think what they 68 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: learned down that stretch that Thursday night game against the 69 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: Rams when he flipped it, and then up until the 70 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, they're feeling pretty confident in their quarterback. 71 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: So a team that's you know, the difference John between 72 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: winning one Super Bowl and getting to five is having 73 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: to move off players. I mean, the Chiefs moved off 74 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill and return to the Super Bowl. So Seattle's 75 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: got to make those tough choices, and I think they will. 76 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: But let's talk Kansas City and Brett Veach. Where offensive 77 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: line needs help. They've got an early pick. They'll probably 78 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: attack that running game. It's a week running back class, 79 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,119 Speaker 1: so they may have to pay for that. You know, 80 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: you saw Brett Veach the first half of Mahomes and Reed. 81 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: One point zero is five super Bowls and three trophies. 82 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: That was the same for Brady in New England. But 83 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: the difference is Brady in New England played in the 84 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: division with the dysfunctional Jets, Dolphins, and Bills. Well Harbaugh, 85 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: Herbert Bownick, Sean Payton, Mendoza should be pretty good. And 86 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: now the league only allows John one buy. So New 87 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: England and Brady for those years one their dysfunctional division 88 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: got a buy, got two home games. You'll win a 89 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: mire in the Super Bowl. I mean, if there's an 90 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: easy path that Kansas City's path is different one by 91 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: brutal division and they got they got holes to fill 92 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them on offense, what do you gather 93 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: from your combine visit? 94 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: I think if you remove emotion, it's probably time to 95 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: divorce Travis Kelce, you know. I mean unless he would 96 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: come back basically for no money. And that's the NFL, right, 97 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: It's like, well, he's one of the greatest players in 98 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: the history of the league, and he's, you know, one 99 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: of the poster childs of this dynasty, and it's kind 100 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: of what Belichick and Bill Walsh do, so that that's 101 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: gonna be a tough decision as they negotiate with Travis Kelsey. 102 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: I think Chris Jones could be a trade candidate. His 103 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: cap number is huge. Yeah, yeah, it can be very 104 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: hit or miss in games. Obviously his good is great, 105 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: but he can also disappear. For a Hall of Fame player, 106 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie is definitely a trade candidate. You know, a 107 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: guy they draft in the first round gonna These extensions 108 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: for these dbs get enormous. So I think they got 109 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of moving parts. You know, I 110 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: saw Vich he was a little under the weather. He 111 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: just looked tired. You know. Part of it is they 112 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: have a cocktail at the end of the day because 113 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: they were eighteen hours of talking to agents and going 114 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: back and forth. I mean, it's exhausting. These are really 115 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: tough decisions, and I think the Chiefs Belichick did this. 116 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: They're kind of have to pivot Beside mahomes off the 117 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 2: majority of those guys, Andy resaid last year Joe Toney. 118 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: Andy Reeve's been coaching for like forty five years, said 119 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: Joetune's one of the favorite players he's ever coached in 120 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: his career. They just traded him. Isn't that football? Isn't 121 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: that the NFL. They couldn't afford to keep them with 122 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: the cap, they didn't want to get rid of them 123 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: like they downgraded by losing him. I think it's a 124 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 2: little different with Kelsey obviously the swift effect. He's so famous, 125 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: he's relative to what he was, I mean, kind of 126 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: a shell of himself, right, and so when you start 127 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: asking for fifteen million dollars a year Jason Light, same 128 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: thing with Mike Evans. It's these emotional decisions of these 129 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: great Hall of Fame players who you love their character 130 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: and what they mean to you're that's you know, Bill 131 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: waltsh Let Rodney lock go, you know. I mean, it's 132 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: kind of is what it is. I think fans in 133 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: football wouldn't you say, understand it a little bit more? 134 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: But still I do. It could be pretty eye opening 135 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: when you see Mike Evans is signed with the Jags, 136 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey has signed with the who knows JJ Watt 137 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: side with the Arizona Cardinals, and Travis you don't just 138 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: automatically go to a good team because sometimes football they 139 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: offer you more money and you just go, well, maybe 140 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: they can turn around and that's where you go. So 141 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: I would say you're going to see some potential legendary 142 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: players throughout the league on different teams. I mean That's 143 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: just kind of the way it works. You know. 144 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: What's also interesting now is because there are so many 145 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: good offensive coaches that you're you are seeing quarterbacks like 146 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: Baker and Darnold have a second life if you can 147 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: land your Liam Cohen, I mean, Trevor Lawrence made a 148 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: big leap this year. And I think you know, these 149 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: guys off the Sean McVay tree, the Kyle Shanahan tree. 150 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: You know, they go places and they change the arc 151 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks careers. Sam Darnold bust to star to Super 152 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: Bowl champion. I mean, Baker Mayfield, you know, resurrected his dip. 153 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and two are different to it. Can't stay 154 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: healthy and is really limited physically. Kyler, as a story 155 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: out this week, he hasn't talked to the GMS. It's 156 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: the end of the season, so he's not terribly verbal. 157 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: Their commission, commitment issues, their health issues. And even though 158 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: we're in a league now where you do get second 159 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: teams and second runs, you know Arizona, Well, does Kyler 160 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: have a market? I mean it is such bad p R. 161 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: Someone told me this week that Kyler Murray in his 162 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: camp they want to go to Minnesota. Well, Aaron Rodgers 163 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: wanted to go to Minnesota too. Most quarterbacks do. I 164 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: can't imagine Kevin O'Connell wanting Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray is 165 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: at the point if he truly wants to resurrect his career. 166 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 2: He's made a ton of money at this point, right 167 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: Number one overall pick got this huge deal that is 168 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: now in Albatross. Makes him untradable if he gets cut, 169 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: which he's going to, why not surely you know the Ravens, 170 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: the chief one of those type teams would be like, hey, 171 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: we'll take you for the veteran minimum. If Andy Reid 172 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: calls or something, you would be crazy not to make 173 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: a decision to go there and potentially maybe rehab your 174 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: image because he does have a branding problem right now. 175 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: I would say throughout the league he's not viewed very 176 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: highly as a player on or off the field. Not 177 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: like bad like some of these guys to get in trouble, 178 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: but just yeah, we don't want to deal with that. 179 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: I would say. The number one thing you hear talking 180 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: to these guys, Yeah, we got to deal with this 181 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: with our defensive lineman. You've talked about this forever when 182 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: we wh they do not want to deal with the 183 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: quarterback room. I mean the quarterback room. Better be like 184 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: your coaches, better be like your executives, just high level professionals. 185 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 2: I never even think about you. I have to deal 186 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: with immaturity in some other positions, not to quarterback position. 187 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: Imagine if you just go to Andy Reid for a year. 188 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: You know, Kevin Sam Darnold did this, Daniel Jones kind 189 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 2: of did this when he got cut by the Giants 190 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: and just rehab his image and then by the end 191 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: of the year, maybe a play. Maybe you don't, but 192 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: you have an Andy Reid type guy, and I'm just 193 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: using him as example. You could see Sean Payne, he 194 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: could use whoever would be interested that's established and go, 195 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: we love that guy. That was a great experience being 196 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: around him. Then that changes the arc of the way 197 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: the league thinks about you, because being there that the 198 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: league is one. It's like a high school. Everyone knows everybody, 199 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: and everybody talks to everybody, and you could probably play 200 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: one degree of separation. You just put Mike Silver in 201 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: the middle. He he knows everything. They all know each 202 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: other and all the information on what a guy is 203 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: and isn't as a person. You know. One thing one 204 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: of my big takeaways is we can get into draft. 205 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: Why this pick makes it, Why this free agency or 206 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: you know, guy didn't work this. This is a people business, 207 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: and the teams that are good have just really high 208 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: level people right on the coaching staff. I mean, I 209 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: hear some stories colin about position coaches making millions of 210 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: dollars that get title stripped in the middle of the 211 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: season and throw a hissy fit and won't go to meetings. 212 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: It's not just the players. These assistant coaches egos are enormous. 213 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: Now you've got a lot of personalities, and the best 214 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: teams are just I hear stories about Kellen Moore or Kubiak, 215 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 2: and you're like, I see why these guys are having success. 216 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: Just easy to deal with. High level guys, get along 217 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 2: high eques, you know, and clearly you know the league 218 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: has kind of been defined of you need a few 219 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: crazies on your team, but you better have a high 220 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: character operation from a football character standpoint, or you've got 221 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: no shot. 222 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: Speaking of a high level coach, Ben Johnson and Mike 223 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: Vrabel turned it around in one year. 224 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: I saw that. 225 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: You into Ben Johnson. I mean, he's got to be. 226 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: They have a really interesting situation where they know exactly 227 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: what they need. They need some help in the linebacker corps. 228 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: They're not fast enough and they need a rush end. 229 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: But I mean they've really john. They could literally use 230 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: every draft pick on defense. They don't have a hole. Offensively, 231 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: maybe another tackle in the building, but receiver, tight end, back, quarterback, interior, 232 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: o line, they're really good. I mean, was Ben walking 233 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: on Cloud nine in a pretty pretty good mood. 234 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: Well, I use you because sometimes you know, it's easy 235 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: if you know the guy to start a conversation. When 236 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: you don't, you gotta come with a little material. So 237 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: I had you in my back pocket. I dropped your 238 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: name early and he said that he'd seen you, he 239 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: thought at a restaurant. And I said, Ben, I can't 240 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: believe you didn't go talk to him. You guys would 241 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: have been breaking down offensive football. He started laughing, and 242 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: people are like, I'd never see Ben Jonson smile. I'm like, well, 243 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: I got that magic touch because I use you and 244 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 2: look to link you up the Bears. I talked to 245 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: Riot Pole. You know, they feel like they got a 246 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: pretty good those two guys. You know, Ryan had some 247 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: bumps early right he did. 248 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: No, I've said that Chase Claypool thing didn't work, but 249 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: receivers are a hard acquisition. It's just a tough position. 250 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: Then he redeemed himself with a Dj Moore deal. 251 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: And as a GM, you look way better with a 252 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: good coach, I mean, you just do. So now you 253 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: get a guy who I mean, I think one thing 254 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: you beat at this Combine the the status of Ben 255 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: Johnson and Mike McDonald in a twelve month span, like 256 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: if you would have been there last year to where 257 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: they are this year, it just couldn't be any higher. 258 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: The way they're thought of in terms of coaching on 259 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: the field is extremely high. And I would expect Dj 260 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: Moore is going to be a name that we're going 261 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: to see over the next week potent because they're going 262 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: to have to move an offensive piece. They don't have 263 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: many draft picks, you know, to kind of retool this thing. 264 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: And that they're letting one of their linebackers I saw 265 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: seek a trade. The other thing is that division. You know, 266 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 2: I make fun of the Vikings because of their quarterback situation, 267 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: as most people do. We talk about the Lions taking 268 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: a big step back. Both those teams went nine to eight. 269 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: I mean both those teams, the Vikings and the Lions, 270 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: are pretty well established culture with really good players. Their 271 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: floor is extremely high. And if the Packers just can 272 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: keep some guys healthy, clearly they're one of the best 273 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: teams in the league. So that division from the Bear 274 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: standpoint is really really difficult. And the Bears, who have 275 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: been atrocious, now we're gonna get a first play schedule. 276 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: It is going to be more challenging, and they're gonna 277 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: sneak up on nobody. Which when you see Ben, he's 278 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: wired for that. Like I don't think he's He's not 279 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: rested on his laurels. He is. You can just tell 280 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: a lot by the way guys carry themselves, you know, 281 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: the Hardball brothers or very Bowl like they're so comfortable 282 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: in their own skin. But some of these new guys, 283 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: the new found fame, like might when Ben Johnson walks 284 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: in somewhere, he's really famous now to he just carries 285 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: himself like he looks exact same as he carried himself 286 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: a year ago. And I would say the same thing 287 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: with Mike McDonald. Their personality like this, the no ego. 288 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: I was talking to him last night and just going 289 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: this guy won a Super Bowl like three weeks ago, 290 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: and you would you would never know if you brought 291 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: some guy off the street, they didn't know football, you 292 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: just met this guy, you would have no clue that 293 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: this guy is the Super Bowl champion and the toast 294 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: of the town right now in the NFL. So I 295 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: would feel pretty confident if I'm the Bears. But they do, 296 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: like there are a lot of because the cap is 297 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: so big right now, there so many options with trades. 298 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: And I talked to Howie about this when I first 299 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: started working for Howie in twenty ten. He was on 300 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: the forefront of the NFL forever. Wasn't that trade heavy? 301 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: You know? 302 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: God, No, before the Jimmy Johnson trade, the herschel Walker 303 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: teams didn't trade. 304 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, the historic trades stand out so much in like 305 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: the eighties and nineties because they didn't happen that much. 306 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: Howie was ready to trade like an NBA a Major 307 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: League Baseball GM, but the rest of the league wasn't. 308 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: And then now you fast forward fifteen plus years in 309 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: the mid twenty twenties, all these gms, or the majority 310 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: of them are kind of like him. They're ready to trade, 311 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: so people are willing to, Hey, you want this guy, 312 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: you want to trade draft picks, you want to do this. 313 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: So there is just a lot of action, which I 314 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: think stalls some deals because it gets so expensive. It's 315 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: like a house. If you only have one guy bidden 316 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: on the house, you know you probably can dictate the 317 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: terms a little bit. You got seven people waiting out 318 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: on the on the front of the street to buy 319 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: the house, that that price is gonna skyrocket, And I 320 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: think that happens with some of these deals. I've been 321 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: saying this about Max Crosby, like, uh, Breer told me, 322 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: He's like, I don't think they're gonna get two ones. 323 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, he's under contract, and there would be 324 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 2: minimum five high level playoff teams who would be bidding 325 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: on them. So yeah, in theory, you'd be like a 326 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: one to a two. Well, if five teams are bidding 327 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: against each other, Like the reason the McCaffrey went for 328 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: a two to three and a four is because the 329 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: Rams also wanted them, so the Niners had to put 330 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: in a little bit more. That's the way it works. 331 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: So that's where I think that historically twenty years ago, Yeah, 332 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: Max Crosby probably just goes for a one. But now 333 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 2: you have all these gms that teams are lined up 334 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: to wheel and deal and that's cool. Like you're there. 335 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: This is a wheeler and a dealer league. This is 336 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: a This is a league where you know these the 337 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: John Schneider types that you gotta be great at identifying personnel. 338 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 2: You gotta be dynamic wheeling the deal. You gotta be 339 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: willing to make moves. It is much more I would 340 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: say complicated. Now you got all the money, you gotta 341 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: be lean on your salary cap. Guy, it's a pretty 342 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: intense environment. When you're there, you just realize the pressure 343 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: cooker of this thing. I mean, I'm watching Aaron Glenn 344 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: do a press conference. I'm like, God, I wouldn't want 345 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 2: to be that guy right now. He's got to be 346 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 2: thinking like, get me out of here. I mean, this 347 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: is even beach. You know you can just say there's 348 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 2: just a waight to all this stuff. 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But I was told during the summer 385 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: by a source very close to the Eagles front office 386 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: that people were pointing to aj Brown, and some of 387 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: it's on Jalen Hurts. He is not well liked in 388 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: the locker room. He's not a galvanizer. He's not one 389 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: of the guys. Now, not everybody is. Brady was unique, 390 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning Mahomes, not every not every quarterback is but 391 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: over your course of you know, your forty eight seventy 392 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: two hours, where everybody's drinking, everybody's talking, everybody's uh, the 393 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: rumors are fact and facts become rumors. What do you 394 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: hear about Hurts? Because I've heard it this past summer. 395 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: I also heard it from a different executive during the season, 396 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: and now you see it reported that he's just Hurts 397 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: is a different cat. Even the representation team, what do 398 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: you hear? 399 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 2: I would say if you went back three months and 400 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 2: you just ask people that watch the NFL, they'd be like, oh, 401 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,479 Speaker 2: Aj Brown's a problem. He's a diva. Everyone hates him 402 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: in Philly, just a casual fan. That is not the 403 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: vibe I guy. He's emotional, right, yeah, but he represents 404 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: I think a lot of guys on their team what 405 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: they want to say. He's just willing to say it. 406 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: And I think Jalen is a pretty polarizing player in 407 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: and out of the locker room. But he's also on 408 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: an enormous contract, so he's he's kind of a made 409 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: man right now on their team in the sense that 410 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: they can't really get rid of him, so it's not 411 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: even an option, like he's their starting quarterback. They are 412 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 2: changing their offense to the Shanahan kind of operation with 413 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: Sean Mannion, who you know played at Oregon State as 414 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: a pro style background. Kevin O'Connell. I think they're going 415 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 2: to ask Jalen Hurts to play in this rock Purty 416 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: samd like. I don't know. I don't really see it 417 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 2: and I don't like they part. And part of the 418 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: reason they would tell you, I think, is because they 419 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: want them. You know, it's a great running game system, 420 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: and they want Saquona shot. They want to get back 421 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: to where they were two years ago, where they ran 422 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: for two thousand yards. I just think a lot of 423 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: people go, well, Jalen fended two Super Bowls. He's been 424 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 2: great in those Super Bowls. It's a little like Seattle. 425 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: The Richard Sherman group never embraced Russell Wilson. They never 426 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 2: believed they believe him. He wasn't one of the guys, 427 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 2: and they never believe that. Like he's getting way more 428 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: credit than he deserves. And I think, you know, when 429 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: it comes to the Eagles, there's some of that and 430 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: there's some of he just doesn't ingratiate himself to the 431 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: group of the Eagles have a lot of high level 432 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: guys like they have done a good job over the 433 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: last couple of years, minus Jalen Carter of just elite 434 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: character you know, Devonte Smith to Jordan Davis, and obviously 435 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: they had a core group of older guys like Lane 436 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: Johnson and Kelsey and Fletcher Cox. If you can't get 437 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: along with those guys like and have them really really 438 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: think highly of you, everyone's gonna say, well, if the 439 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: Eagles don't win this year, Sirianni's in trouble. And maybe 440 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: that's true because I think they really like Sirianni in 441 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: the building. How he likes him. Jeffrey Lurry likes him, 442 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 2: like he's good with because Nick's good with people like 443 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: when the when when no one's watching, when they likes 444 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 2: when they're working Monday through Friday. People like that guy 445 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: a lot in the building. I don't think the same 446 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: can say for Jalen Hurts, which is crazy because all 447 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 2: the good quarterbacks, I would say one of their best 448 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: traits is like extremely well liked by the group. Right, 449 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: and I'm not even just talking the Great Hall of Famers. 450 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 2: He's just picked the random guys like, yeah, go to 451 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: the Cowboys locker room asking about Dak Prescott, well even 452 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: then locker room asking Jared Goff rock Perty. I mean, 453 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: these guys are extremely well like, like. 454 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, conservative, religious, still really well liked. That could 455 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: easily be a polarizing personality trait, you know, kind of 456 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: conservative people love Kirk Cousins. He's one of the guys. 457 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 1: He's a very good supporting teammate. 458 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 2: You know. 459 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: Obviously Mendoza is the best quarterback in this class, and 460 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: he's also going to go number one. I do think 461 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: if I was Arizona, I talked about it John on 462 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: the air today that Arizona has such a stink in 463 00:23:52,280 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: the building that the opposite of Kyler Murray is Fernando Mendoza. Big, strong, committed, grateful. 464 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: He's like he'd be an air freshener in the Arizona 465 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: Cardinals car because there's a stink in the building. And 466 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: I do think they should call and give up three 467 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: number ones for him. I mean, the first round picks 468 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: matter that much. Why are the Jets and Giants awful 469 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: and the Titans awful and the Browns awful? They're always 470 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: drafting the top seven or eight for years and The 471 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: Rams have only had one first round pick in the 472 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: last nine drafts, so like it's I would make that move. 473 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't think the Raiders will move off it. Did 474 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: you hear anything about Mendoza that hasn't been printed? I 475 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: mean cam Ward last year went number one. He was 476 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: a zero star recruit. Fernando was a two star recruit, 477 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 1: and I think both have a certain gratitude. You know, 478 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: when you come up through the ranks and you're not 479 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: Arch Manning or Peyton Manning. Do you hear anything about 480 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: Mendoza anything about the Raiders. 481 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a one hundred cent lock. Mendoza 482 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: is the pick. One. Thing I struggle with is everyone 483 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: compares him to the previous drafts. You know, he wouldn't have 484 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: gone against above Kayleb Drake Many Jayden Daniels. He wouldn't 485 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: go above cam Ward last year, had a more physical 486 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: skill set. We're not playing like universal generic football. Every 487 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: team has specific offenses. And the thing they asked the 488 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: quarterback they just hired Kubiak, who just won a Super 489 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: Bowl with Sam Darnold, who came from the forty nine ers, 490 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: where they had Brock Purdy and also coached Derek Carr 491 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: where before some injuries, the Saints were actually pretty good 492 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 2: two years ago. They look for specific skill set with 493 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 2: a quarterback, and Fernando Mendoza checks the boxes. Accurate, smart 494 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 2: rhythm timing is one of his skill sets and is 495 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: mobile enough, so they're not looking for him to just 496 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: sit back and throw the ball fifty times. Again, that's 497 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 2: not how Kubiak is going to play. So I know 498 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: people struggle, Like I hear this Jared Goff, he's compared 499 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: to Jared Goff. It's almost said like it's a negative thing. Yeah, guys, 500 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 2: Jared Goff is gonna have a fifteen year career. He's 501 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: gonna make four hundred million dollars, several Hall of Fame votes, 502 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: He'll go. I mean, there's a decent chance in the 503 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: next couple of years, they keep their core together, they 504 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 2: win a couple of playoff games in a season, and 505 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: the Lions have a good Like he's a high level quarterback, 506 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: Like that's that is a compliment in my book. Right, 507 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: he was in the NFC Champions Who a couple of 508 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: years ago. He was starting quarterback on a Super Bowl team. 509 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: Like Jared Goff's career has been a raging success. So 510 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 2: if this guy's a more athletic version of that, I'm 511 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: very interested in that player. I just feel like he's 512 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: kind of getting nitpicked, like he's a mid prospect, and 513 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: I just don't buy it because this gets back to 514 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: the character stuff. Like I know the Chiefs guys really well, 515 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 2: they swear by Mahomes football character. Right now, the buzz 516 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: is like this guy's rehab is going great, he's attacking it. 517 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: It's like he is not messing around. He's motivated, he's 518 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: pissed off, he's got a chip on his shoulder, and 519 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 2: like that matters in this league. Like Josh Allen, what 520 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: he takes every off season, how pissed off he is 521 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: and how driven he is, Like that's gotta matter. The 522 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: person matters as much as the player. Ians you have 523 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: to have the requisite skill set, but all these guys do. 524 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 2: So what defines Tom Brady was all the stuff that 525 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: you can't quantify in PFF. So Fernando Mendoza, goofy or 526 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 2: whatever comes. None of that matters players. There's a million 527 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 2: different type personalities in the locker room. Unlike Twitter, where 528 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: everyone hates each other, you go into most locker rooms 529 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: side of the Eagles. Everyone kind of gets long. You 530 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: know there, these are young guys, they have a lot 531 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: of common interests. It's just it's an easy going group. 532 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: It's it's not that polarizing in the locker room. For 533 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 2: Nanda Mendoza. You see the Indiana where they had a 534 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 2: million transfer portal guys. When they win the national championships, 535 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 2: everyone's galvanized around him and like a defensive lineman, offensive lineman. 536 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: So I think people are too low on Fernanda Mendoz. 537 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: I think I think the rest of the draft kind 538 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: of sucks. I think he's a really impressive prospect. Is 539 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: he Lway or luck? No? Is he? Do you feel 540 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: very good about drafting him number one? I know the 541 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: Raiders do. They feel very good about that. Part of 542 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: the reason they're torn on Max is they go, well, 543 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: what if we kind of rehab this offensive line. We 544 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 2: already got boers, we're gonna have a good run game. 545 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 2: What if we could be more competitive next year? So 546 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: I think that's where they're trying, because I think he 547 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 2: could be a huge upgrade over I mean, let's face 548 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: it, it's not all Gino's fault. The offense, and they had 549 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 2: a lot of issues going on, but they were an 550 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: offensive disaster last year. 551 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well what the. 552 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 2: One thing one thing calling is before is the combine. 553 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 2: One thing I've consistently heard. I went out a couple 554 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 2: of nights ago with a couple of gms and some 555 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: other executives and they were just floored that every meeting 556 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: they go to with a guy that's gonna get drafted 557 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: in the first or second round just because yeah, I'm 558 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: not working out. It's one thing like Fernando Mendoza, No 559 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: big deal, you played a month ago, you played sixteen games, like, 560 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 2: you don't need to throw. But a guy will be 561 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: going like the third round. It's like, yeah, I'm not 562 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: gonna run or do any activity. And I think a 563 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: lot of these guys. One thing that here is with 564 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: the money getting so big and the pressure from these 565 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: these agents, the power they have now and these guys 566 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: in college and we're seeing it with Darren Peterson, you know, 567 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: in college basketball. But that's this has been happening in 568 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 2: football for a while, that this combine could be in 569 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: a little trouble in terms of like these got players 570 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: just might stop going. Let alone. When they do go, 571 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: they do nothing and part of it is the league 572 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: turned it into a made for TV event. Yeah, because 573 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: and now the players are like, we're not doing it. 574 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: So it's it's kind of in a weird spot, right, 575 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: and just important for the press conferences, the medical and 576 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: some of that. But I think the on the field 577 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: work the Combine is coming down the home. 578 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: Stretch going yeah no. And you know, listen, I heard 579 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: the story. I remember when Johnny Manzel aced the interviews 580 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: at the Combine, you know, because he's a good bullshitter, 581 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: and it's like, and that's a that's not a terrible 582 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: quality for a salesperson. You know, he can talk to 583 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: talk or a podcaster, you know, but he fooled people, 584 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, let's ride, let's go, And then he didn't 585 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: want to watch film. I mean literally, you know, they 586 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: were testing him on what film you watched and how 587 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: far into the film you watched, and they found he 588 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: didn't even turn it on and he acknowledged that later. 589 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: So I think I think that my problem has always 590 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: been it's like a first date. When you go on 591 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: a first date, people say the right thing, people dressed perfect, 592 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, the hygiene's great. By the seventh or eighth date, 593 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: you get a real feel for what a person is. 594 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: The problem with the combine, it's got a first date feel. 595 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: People are in the best shape of their life. They've 596 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: been prepped by their agents and consultants how to interview. 597 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: And it's kind of inauthentic that you you know, I 598 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: was saying this the other day on FS one. By 599 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: week six, even the fast guys aren't as fast. Everybody's 600 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: dinged up. Everybody's got bad hips, you know, everybody's everybody's 601 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: dealing with a second or third injury. The four three 602 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: guys are four four guys. The four or five guys 603 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: are four six guys. Everybody's hurt, even quarterbacks, kickers get 604 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: dinged up. And so I think it's I think the 605 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: like I know that I watch less of it now 606 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: and I did than I did five years ago. I 607 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: just don't watch it as much. It just doesn't matter. 608 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: I think the people who cover it do a good job. 609 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: But I just I when I move off stuff, like 610 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: I moved into baseball two years ago, like I moved 611 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: way back in the games were faster. The Yankees, the Dodgers, 612 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: the Cubs, the Padres, the teams I liked were better. 613 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: I've moved out. I moved off college football for several 614 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: years because it became too regional. I'm now way back 615 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: into baseball, way back into college football. I'm kind of 616 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: out on the combine. I just, I just I think 617 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: it's an inauthentic exercise, overly prepped. 618 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you use the dating analogy these guys. You 619 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: only have twenty minutes in a formal interview with the 620 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 2: guys of the combine, and at this point in time, 621 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: all these agents have a pretty good idea, depending on 622 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: their client, what the questions are going to be veered around. 623 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: And one thing I've heard it is they're also prep 624 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 2: than It just feels so fake. Where when you bring 625 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: them to the facility and you get thirty of those 626 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: where you're able to fly them out or go meet 627 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 2: them in their you know, in their home or their 628 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,239 Speaker 2: college facility. If I spend five hours with you, it's 629 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: hard to fake some stuff, Right. If I only get 630 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: you for twenty minutes, you could fake some stuff. If 631 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: I get you all day, take you with my coordinator, 632 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: take you with my pr guy, take you with my trainer, 633 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard for you. You're gonna break character, 634 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: and we're gonna get like it's gonna be really hard 635 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: to fake. And that's where it's like, I think some 636 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: of these teams it was probably more genuine twenty twenty 637 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 2: five years ago. Now I think with the twenty minutes 638 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 2: you can get some con men because they're coached up 639 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: on the outside by the because there's just so much 640 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much more money. If the difference 641 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: of getting drafted twentieth than fiftieth, you're talking millions of dollars, 642 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 2: So there's just so much on the line. And uh yeah, 643 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: I think the combine when it comes to I think 644 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 2: it's in a little trouble. Big picture, like do I 645 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 2: if I was a betting man to have over under 646 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: ten years is currently constructed? I don't know. 647 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: Okay, Finally, best rumor you heard doesn't have to be true. 648 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: It could be four cocktails in did you hear anything? 649 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean the JJ McCarthy thing people are talking about TUA. 650 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: Did you hear any tasty rumors may not come to fruition, 651 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: but you heard. 652 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: That's a pretty good question. I'm trying to think there's 653 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: some pretty good coaching rumors. There was a lot of 654 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 2: moving parts with some of these hires and these coaching rumors. 655 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 2: You know, I think Joe Shane, a lot of people 656 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: go fifty to fifty. He survives after the draft. 657 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: Wow, Giants jam John Harbaugh. 658 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: He but then I have other people telling me that 659 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 2: there's rumors that he got an extension. I think he's 660 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: one of the biggest mysteries right now in the NFL. 661 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: I mean, the Giants historically have done things for one 662 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 2: way and one way only, and then John Harbaugh said, 663 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 2: if you want to hire me, you answer to me. 664 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 2: John Harbaugh's developed like an operation. This Donna Ponte, she's 665 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: a former executive, now runs the contract. She answers to 666 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 2: John that goes up that food chain. Joe Shane, just 667 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 2: like every Giants, GM used to do everything that the 668 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 2: training room, the cafeteria, they were kind of in charge 669 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: the locker room. John Harbaugh's now in charge of all 670 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: of that and he's just in charge of keeping the 671 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: scouts grading players who then he funnels to John. So 672 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 2: that that is something to keep an eye on, just 673 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 2: that situation. I know there were some rumors about George 674 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: Peyton Shawn's GM and Denver because Minnesota fired their guy. 675 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: I heard they have a good relationship. Hey, George likes Denver. 676 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: I heard the spot that that is no lock for 677 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 2: him just to like jump ship and go back. Now 678 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 2: Sean respects him to Minnesota. And I mean, I'm sure 679 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 2: you saw the news yesterday of the Davis Webb now 680 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 2: Colin plays. I was with a couple of coaches last 681 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 2: night that said, understood, you want to keep this young hotshot. 682 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: You like him a lot. That is an extremely tough quit. 683 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 2: Davis web He is calling Sean's playbook. That Sean has 684 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 2: been calling plays for thirty years. Who knows that playbook 685 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 2: better than anybody? And then you're just gonna get to 686 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 2: call plays and uh, we are losing by ten points 687 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 2: to the Charger. That's a tough gick. Shahn's an intense guy, 688 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 2: you know. I think that that opened a lot of 689 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 2: eyes around the league that like, buckle up, young fella. 690 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 2: That's gonna be a typical thing. You know. Sean's like 691 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: you call it what I mean, that's it'd be like 692 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 2: calling plays for Kyle or McVeigh when they're standing right 693 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 2: next to you. The difference is Sean's way older and 694 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: been doing it way longer. That's that that was a 695 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 2: story I thought yesterday being talked a lot about like 696 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: what what did Sean Payton do? Gave up play calling 697 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: for this guy. I don't think many people saw that coming. 698 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: I definitely did. I thought that was one of the 699 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: newsier things. It's a little inside baseball, but uh, you know, 700 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 2: we talk a lot of coordinators, you and I do, 701 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: so that was one of those that had people talking, 702 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 2: and honestly, people like Davis Webb that like, I hope 703 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 2: you realize what you're getting yourself into because this thing 704 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 2: is going to be intense. Yeah. 705 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: And Shawn's also one of the most outspoken coaches in 706 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: the NFL or baseball or the NBA. Yeah, I mean 707 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: he is, wears all of his motions, he leads with 708 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: his chin. John Middlecoff, good seeing you, buddy. 709 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 2: Nice work you do. Con the volume