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Speaker 2: It's time nice well lovell Welcome to the Naughty but Niceho.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Rob Shooter, and it's Thursday, which means,

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Speaker 2: after a little bit of time away, our dear friend

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Speaker 2: Mark Looper was with us. Hey, LUPI are you there?

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Speaker 1: Lubby lewis here here?

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Speaker 2: Ra? I love our Thursdays. I love our Thursday. It's

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Speaker 2: a little gossip, a little chit chatty. Don't you love it?

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Speaker 1: It's the best way to kick off my wrong weekend

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Speaker 1: is Rob.

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Speaker 2: You're so sweet. I get to do this every single day.

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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful to all the co hosts. I'm so

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Speaker 2: grateful to all the naughties that listen that allow us

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Speaker 2: to do this. But we have created something so much fun.

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Speaker 2: I hope that you guys get at least ten or

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm glad that you do too. Let's jump in.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit day. Today's show has sort of got

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Speaker 2: so much news on Diddy. It's pretty much a Diddy show.

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Speaker 2: Let's be honest. It's a full dilly show. So if

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Speaker 2: that's not your thing, if this trial is not your thing,

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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow. But if it is your thin,

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Speaker 2: time is it, my friends? It is tea time, big

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Speaker 2: story at the top of the show. So Cassie has

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Speaker 2: beefed up her security after the Diddy verdict. So Cassie,

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Speaker 2: she's not waiting around to see what happens next because

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Speaker 2: multiple sources has told me that the singer and former

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Speaker 2: in the wake of the bombshell conviction. So once source

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Speaker 2: told me quote, after everything she's been through, she's not

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Speaker 2: taken any chances. She's in full protection mode for herself

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Speaker 2: and her family. I should point out that she did

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Speaker 2: hire extra bodyguards when we did didn't know if did.

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Speaker 2: He was getting out So yesterday he got off from

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Speaker 2: the real serious charges, but there were two two felonies

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Speaker 2: that very dramatic morning, he was waiting till about five

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Speaker 2: judge decided he had to stay in prison. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: that has given a lot of people some comfort. Mark.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to put myself into this story, and

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly no Cassie, but I must admit when he

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Speaker 2: felt like he got off, and he didn't, he got

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Speaker 2: off some of the big charges. These are still very

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Speaker 2: serious charges. I think he could be in jail for

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Speaker 2: twenty years. He'll probably be in free, I guess three

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Speaker 2: to four. I spoke to some lawyers, but I did

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Speaker 2: have a moment where I was like, oh, no, is

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Speaker 2: it going to come for me? Like I've been quite

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Speaker 2: honest about when he was like working with him. I

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Speaker 2: think there's many many other people on that list above me,

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Speaker 2: but I do get it. I get someone like Cassie

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Speaker 2: why bother, particularly after this verdict.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's surprising to all of us. I

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Speaker 1: think he got away with murder here, and you know

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Speaker 1: your point. Yes, it's these charges are serious, but he's

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Speaker 1: I feel honest in one way. You know, we see

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope you're right, Mark. I would love to

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Speaker 2: believe that. My experience with monsters is that once they

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Speaker 2: Like Mark, we would learn from our mistake when I

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Speaker 2: They finally got him. Any other celebrity, they did not

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Speaker 2: is we didn't lose. He is going to go to jail,

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Speaker 2: maybe not for life, maybe for as short as two, three,

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Speaker 2: four years, but his life now is permanently changed. He

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Speaker 2: the casses of this world. Thankfully, thankfully she has the

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Speaker 2: money to afford this security. She's just had a baby. Mark.

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Speaker 2: I do believe you were right. I don't think did

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Speaker 2: He's going to do anything foolish, not because of any

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Speaker 2: to jail himself. But what I worry about is the fans. Yesterday, Mark,

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Speaker 2: I saw outside the courtroom, people rejoicing, People were spraying

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Speaker 2: which brings us to our pole question of the day.

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Speaker 2: Cassie has beefed U her security after the shocking Did

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Speaker 2: Yes or no? Hey, I'm not saying the right movie

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Speaker 2: is did he getting off? That's not what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I'm asking about Cassie here. Would you increase your security

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Speaker 2: that she has done this day. Are not messing about

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Speaker 2: this is not being paranoid. This is being cautious. What

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Speaker 2: sure to check bettermar Rauer to hear your results. Hey, Loops,

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Speaker 2: what are you working on?

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Speaker 1: Hey? So did He's mama is planning apparently a celebration

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Speaker 1: party and might the invitations from Didy's lawyers and the jury.

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Speaker 1: Let me explain, So sources have told Shooter scoup At

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Speaker 1: Jenna's Combs, the fiercely loyal mom of Sean did He Combs,

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Speaker 1: has already plenty lavish celebration Miami following her so partial

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Speaker 1: acquittal in federal court last week. Now, the sources are

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Speaker 2: I think it's tone deaf. I understand the need the

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Speaker 2: Plus he's not at it. I think Janis and Puffy

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Speaker 2: and the whole family thought he was walking down. In fact,

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Speaker 2: they were so confident Mark they'd made plans to walk

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Speaker 2: walking a red carpet. And now, thankfully that did not happen.

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Speaker 2: I'm told that there will be a party in Miami

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Speaker 2: this weekend though, for the fourth of July, and they

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Speaker 2: But it's just so tone deaf. But I think, once again,

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Speaker 2: lot of celebrities have him more than others. Shamelessness. They

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Speaker 2: just have no shame Mark, like nothing gives them pause.

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Speaker 2: When did He does eventually get out, it could be months,

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Speaker 2: it could be years, but not more than five years.

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Speaker 2: When he does get out, I will predict he will

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Speaker 2: probably go on tour. I expect that lessons will not

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Speaker 2: He had to promise to the judge Mark that he

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Speaker 2: not only did they want to give millions of dollars

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Speaker 2: We've done this for a long time. There was no

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Speaker 2: wrapped up in this tidal wave of he's acquitted, he's acquitted. No,

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Speaker 2: he's not. There are still two very serious charges that

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Speaker 2: he has been found guilty of, and Cassie, that's the

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Speaker 2: But that is good news that at least is some progress.

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Speaker 2: When I worked with puff Mark, I can tell you

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Speaker 2: The mother runs this family, and I's told that now

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Speaker 2: with him going away for a few years, potentially the

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Speaker 2: mom's the boss, not the kids. If you think about it,

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Speaker 2: it's like a billion dollar business he's leaving behind. If

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Speaker 2: They've lost the face of the company. Who's going to

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Speaker 2: It's not Coca Cola, it's not Pepsi, it's not Cadillac.

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Speaker 2: There's no board there. So the mom now Janus is

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Speaker 2: is privately congratulating Diddy. Oh so, nobody's coming forward and

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Speaker 2: few comments, maybe a few rappers, but mainstream Hollywood executives,

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Speaker 2: fashion leaders, even morning show hosts have all reached out

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Speaker 2: they won the first interview. That's what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: The morning show hosts want the interviews. Let me tell

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Speaker 2: you a nasty little secret about the music business, about

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Speaker 2: the fashion business. It's not about morals. It's about monia.

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Speaker 2: And if they think Puffy can come back and make

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Speaker 2: the money, they'll be back in business with him. Will

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Speaker 2: I hope not, but I don't know. Will he ever

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many beautiful cities in Italy you

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Speaker 1: Oh it's Cassie Ventura. So Cassie Venturer reacted to her

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Speaker 2: So brave. We have to remember this did start with

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Speaker 2: You're gonna rob, you gonna rub you got a Rob,

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Speaker 2: But not every closed door is locked. Mark, push harder.

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Speaker 2: Just because the door is closed, it doesn't mean that

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