WEBVTT - Prey with Johnnie Jae 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the doll Cast. The questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:13.680 Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.160 it with the beck del Cast. Click click click click click, 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:21.320 Hey Jamie, it's me the Predator. Click watch out, I'm 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.759 coming for you. Click click click click click click click 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:28.720 It's me the other Predator Predators Friend, Jamie, Wait, is 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:33.640 there any Predator movies with two Predators? Good question? I've 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:38.000 only seen I've seen Predator from nineteen eighties. Seven question mark. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:42.560 I've seen Pray obviously today's episode, and I've seen one 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.199 of the Alien versus Predator movies. I don't so I 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.480 can't speak to the other the other installments in the franchise. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.880 And I feel like it's usually a single Mr Predator. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.360 He's single, doing his business. He's single, he's just adjusting 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.840 the single life. Really, when you think about it, Look, 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.440 and this is the point where some guy on Twitter 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.440 pulls a clip and they're like, they didn't even watch 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:10.520 all eight Pridator movies. How can they talk about it? Look? 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.520 Welcome to the Becktel Cast. My name's Jamie Loftus. My 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.680 name is Caitlin Darante, And this is our show where 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.480 we examine movies from an intersectional feminist lens, using the 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.160 Becktel test simply as a jumping off point for a 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:28.160 larger discussion. Yes, can I tell you what that Bechdel 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.400 test is while I'm at it? I would love for 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.039 you to do that, all right. Well, look, it's a 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:37.200 media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.520 the Bechtel Wallace Test, originally made as a joke in 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.680 a comic strip, but has since evolved to become kind 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:48.000 of a metric that's often applied across media. Lots of 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.400 different versions of it. The one we used to start 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:54.640 our discussion is um, whether there are two characters of 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:58.240 a marginalized gender with names who speak to each other 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.080 about something other than a man for two lines of 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.280 dialogue or more um and it should be some sort 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:09.760 of narratively you know, relevant discussion. Yeah, so that's how 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.440 we start a discussion. But then we kind of just 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:15.160 talk about anything and everything, including how the predator is 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.400 hot in this movie that we need will unpack that later. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.600 I feel like we need to get our guests involved 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.959 because I don't feel like we can just make a 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:28.720 claim like that and brush past. I just can't imagine 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.760 having to stay silent as you are saying that. Um. So, 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.400 let's so we are covering. Uh, it's our first recently 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.640 released movie we've covered in a while. Um, but we 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.880 know that our listeners wanted an episode on it. We 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:46.560 wanted to cover it. It's Prey, and we have an 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:50.639 absolutely wonderful guest today, so let's get her in the mix. Certainly, 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:55.040 she is a professional indigeneered at a tribe called geek. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:03:00.480 It's Johnny J. Hey, everyone, welcome, it's me, Thanks for 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.919 being here, thanks for having me. So we reach out 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.000 to you because you wrote an incredible peace in a 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.560 tribe called geek on this movie, and we are just 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.880 interested to hear more of your thoughts. Um. But just 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:19.840 to get us started, what's your relationship with the movie Prey. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:26.600 I have a very complicated relationship with the movie Prey. Um. Well, 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:31.360 first off, when it first started being put out there 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.120 that this movie was in the works, I was really 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.120 skeptical right off the back because of the way that 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:42.520 it was being um teased as hey, everyone, you know, 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.560 like this movie is being pitched to different studios and 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.040 it's going to follow a Comanche woman who goes against 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:54.320 gender norms and traditions to become a warrior. And as 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.840 these rumors kind of grew, as you know, like this 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.240 was developing in Hollywood, you know, it started coming out 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.440 like this is going to potentially be a predator movie, 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:09.160 and you know, it's like your spider sense to start tingling, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.200 you know, and I was just like, oh, no, this 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:16.360 sounds so bad because they didn't just say a Native woman, 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.480 you know, they said a Comanche woman. And at the 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.320 time that the rumors had started about this movie, I 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.960 was living in law in Oklahoma, which is where the 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:30.520 Commanche nation is located, and you know, I've worked with 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.640 Comanche women and the one thing that I was just like, what, 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.880 Comanche women are so fierce, and you know, like a 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.320 Native women have always kind of been the backbones of 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:46.400 our societies and pre colonization. You know, while there were 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:53.120 gender traditional gender roles, um, patriarchy and matriarchy were not 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.200 what they are today for us. You know, like while 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:01.720 it kind of describes it now from our perspective, um, 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.080 it didn't back then. So you know, like even though 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.760 you know, men were traditionally warriors. It didn't mean that 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:14.120 women couldn't be warriors. And so you know they're like 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.320 even from several different tribes, you know, there have always 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.680 been this history of strong Native women who took on 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.000 those warrior roles. Um, if you had a skill set, 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.720 you know, even if you weren't a man, and it 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:31.760 was traditionally a man's role, Um, if you were particularly skilled, 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.320 nobody was keeping you from using your skills, you know, 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.360 to be like, oh, you're just a woman, you can't 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.360 do that, Like that didn't really exist for us because 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.760 you know, it was about survival and doing what you 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.599 needed to survive. So everybody's skill set, you know, it 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:51.760 had a place and it was kind of valued. So 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.000 it wasn't the way that this was kind of being portrayed. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.960 So I can honestly say my relationship is complicated because 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.520 I was talking crap about this movie since two thousand 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:06.320 and sixteen. Um, any time a rumor or development would 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.480 be released, I was just like, no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:13.680 this is not good. This is not good because Disney 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:22.599 does not have a good historytive. That's and then and 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.599 then upon seeing it, I mean, this is I'm aware 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.919 of just because I've read your your piece about it. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.160 But what was your your first reaction on seeing the 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:37.239 finished product? My mind was blown. Um, it was so good. 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.720 I I'm a huge Predator fan. I love horror, and 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.159 I grew up on Predator, and it's always been kind 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.360 of disappointing, like after the first one. Um, And I 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.720 know a lot of people tend to really love Predator too. 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.800 Is that the Danny Glover one? Yes, that's over, and 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.320 there's the debate between which one is better. But you know, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.279 for me, it was always about the original and everything 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.279 else was just so disappointing. But I watched them and 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.640 I'm excited to watch them because it's the Predator. And 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.160 I even have a picture of me with a guy 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.160 with the Predator life sized Predator. I went to an 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.160 antique shop and it turns out that one of the guys, 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.440 um that this dude is friends with, worked on the 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:26.800 original Predator, Like he helped actually cast the Predator, like 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.120 all the different pieces that they used, and so they 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.440 started making these for fun and to just kind of 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.680 have on display in his shop, and he sells them 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:40.040 and I'm still like, let's let me win the lottery 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:41.800 so I can at least have two of them because 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.720 they are so badass, so cool. Oh my god. Yeah. 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.040 So so you know, like I'm a Predator fan. I 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.320 love the series, and so seeing this movie, like I 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:56.160 I was already expecting badness. I didn't have high expectations, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.200 but oh my gosh, like my mind was blown and 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:04.560 I never expected to be crying in a Predator movie, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:10.000 but I did. And you know, it was just so good, 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.520 Like the story was so well developed, the characters were 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:18.160 well developed, and it was like it wasn't just horror 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.280 or action. You know, there was a lot of emotion 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.480 and there was a lot of history that was being 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:30.000 kind of conveyed in a way that was absolutely stunning. Um. So, 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.000 like after watching the movie, I was just like did 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.640 I just see that? Like did that just happen? Because 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.920 the other thing that for me that really hit me 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:43.520 in the feelers was the credits. Because you know, a 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.200 lot of productions have native consultants. They'll bring people on 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.319 to help, and they rarely get credit for that help. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.760 Um you don't really see their names in the credits 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.240 or anything like that. But watching the credits and seeing 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.080 the people that they brought into help with this movie. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:06.800 Being name checked was incredible because you know, having lived 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.800 there in law in Oklahoma, you know, these are people 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.040 that I've known. Um, they were people that I've worked 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.600 with on other projects. Um, you know one of them 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.959 is wanted a pot a Pony And I'm pretty sure 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.600 I just pushered her last name, but um, she's a 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.760 really well known commanche scholar and she had passed she 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.920 just recently passed away. And you know, to see her 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.640 having input on the movie and being included like and 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:38.000 did see them kind of memorializing her was such a 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:42.040 beautiful moment because you know, it just kind of showed 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.680 that they really valued her input and the input of 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.080 everyone that they brought in from you know, individuals within 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.679 the tribe who were just language speakers or had some 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:56.760 cultural knowledge, to the language department, to thinking the entire tribe. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.680 And you know, I was just like InCred doably moved 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:07.280 by the credits, which who does that? So when people 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.320 get credit for something that they usually don't get credit for, 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.200 it's like very meaningful to like receive credit where credit 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.560 is due. So I mean I don't and I know 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.640 that we we talk a lot on the show about 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.319 you know, making sure that the proper consulting work is 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.280 both gotten and paid for. But I feel like that's 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:28.720 such a good point that I don't even know that 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:33.240 we've touched on. Is like also receiving the proper actual 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.360 credit within the film credits in a way that isn't 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.400 like you're waiting, you know, five hours to get to 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.160 your name in size to font. Yeah, like that is 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.600 that is extremely significant and that's so much. I mean, 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.160 we're going to talk about the filmmakers behind this, but 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.680 it's like with without the consulting, this movie would be 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.400 a fraction of what it is. It's like, I'm so 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.360 excited to talk about it. I mean it's just like 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.280 even now, like everything, I've watched it several times now 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.920 because I get something different every single time, and it's 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:12.280 just so phenomenal. It is. Jamie, what is your relationship 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:17.760 with Prey with the Predator franchise in general? I mean, 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:23.480 quite a short history with Prey as it just came out. However, 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.000 I do remember seeing um, I didn't realize what a 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.199 long production history this had, and I do remember at 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:32.960 one point looking up, I was like, well, who is 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.959 writing this movie and who were being slightly perturbed when 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.600 I saw that it was being co written by a 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:44.199 supervising producer on Jack Ryan. I'm like, hmmm, maybe not 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.840 the kind of writing I'm going to enjoy, but I'm 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:53.079 so I'm coming into the Predator franchise pretty cold. This 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:58.560 was my first UM Predator Expanded Universe movie, and I 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.240 really really really enjoyed it. Like, I'm really excited to 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.640 talk about it. I have some thoughts on some things, 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.480 but for the most part, I just like it's a 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:11.199 It's UM for me, an action movie. Holding my attention 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.880 is a huge accomplishment, and I really really enjoyed this movie. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.520 I think that there's so many good performances, the filmmaking 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.440 is amazing, and the attention to detail culturally, I'm very 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.880 excited to talk about and learn more about. So I 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:29.760 liked it. Kyle, what's your history with Prey slash Predator 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:37.800 at large? A large? I saw Predator one, I don't know, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:42.080 probably like fifteen years ago in college and was like, yeah, 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:47.240 that's cool, that's fine. UM, but I haven't engaged very 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:52.839 much with the franchise. But learning about this movie, I 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:54.400 knew it came out, I was like, all right, this 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.280 is on my list. Of things to see and then 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.640 us doing this episode now gave me kind of the 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.480 like kicking the bomb, I needed to actually watch it. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.720 I do wish that I could have seen this movie 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.640 in theaters. Um as much as I like enjoyed watching 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.040 it at home, I wish I could have seen this 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.400 movie on a gigantic screen. Same and I've seen it 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.200 twice now, once in English and once in Comanche. And 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:22.200 then I also rewatched Predator yesterday just to see if 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.600 it would like inform anything I had to say about 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:29.040 Pray um, which I don't know, maybe it'll come up, 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:33.640 but um, yeah, I would say of the Predator movies 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.559 i've seen, Pray is my favorite installment in the franchise. 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.840 I also really enjoyed this movie Mr Predator Hot, but 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:47.800 also everyone in the cast hot. Could you unpack Mr 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:52.199 Predator hot for as someone who famously had a thing 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.480 for the fish from Shape of Water? But I feel 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.880 like that movie was actively encouraging you to want to 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.280 have sex with the fish, and it just like worked 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:05.079 on me faster than maybe the movie intended. I mean, 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.559 have you seen Predator's body in this movie? I mean 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.440 some abs? Yeah, he's he is often invisible but you 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.520 know he's he's got abs, he's got nice shoulders. I 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.360 forget you do love. I just think that he's Is 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.080 it the shoulders thing? Look, I don't know if I 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.360 have specifically a shoulders thing. The point is I am 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:30.080 attracted to the predator from prey. I think it's really 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:34.120 brave of you to say out loud, thank you so much. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.800 But that is neither here nor there. I'm not going 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.400 to focus on that in this episode. There's a lot 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:43.320 of more important things to talk about. So with that, 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.600 I say we get into it, starting with the recap, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.560 actually starting with let's take a quick break and then 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.560 we'll come back and recap. So we will be right 0:14:53.720 --> 0:15:08.720 back and we're back with Caitlin's famous recap. Okay, the 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:12.400 movie opens. We are in the Great Northern Plains. It 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.440 is the year seventeen nineteen. We meet Naru, played by 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:21.160 Amber Midsunder. She's a young woman from the Comanche Nation. 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:26.400 We see Naru gathering food with her dog. Sorry big 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:30.960 sorry fan, Oh sorry, the dog good. Then we see 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:35.400 her doing target practice with a throwing axe. She spots 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:39.600 a deer, which gets spooked by a loud sound something 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.920 flying overhead, maybe an alien spaceship we don't know, but 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:48.600 a chase ensues and Naru chases and hunts the deer, 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.080 but it gets away. Then she sees something in the 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:56.920 sky and it's maybe an alien spaceship. Question mark done done. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:02.000 I also love every time they are in like Predator vision. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.880 It's so it just it made me giggle, maybe giggle. 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.400 Every time he went heat vision mode, you're like, oh, yeah, 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.640 the future, because this movie does such a good job 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.680 of entrenching you in seventeen nineteen than anytime you see 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:19.280 heat vision you're like, hold on, uh uh. So. Then 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.640 Naru speaks to her brother tab A played by Dakota Beavers. 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.640 She tells him that she saw what she's calling the 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.440 thunderbird in the sky. They talk about hunting. She says 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.920 she's ready for her trial, and he's like, you want 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.200 to hunt something that's hunting you? And we're like, that's 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:42.320 the theme of the movie. And then Naru and her 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:46.880 mom played by Michelle Thrush, have a conversation. Her mom asks, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.480 you're good at so many things, why do you want 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.800 to hunt? And Naru says, because you all think that 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:57.280 I can't, which is the most coming of age thing 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:02.080 of all. I really like um Michelle Thrash's performance. This 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.200 is also where you find out that her father has 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:10.960 passed Naru's father. Yes. Yeah. We then cut to this 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:15.560 thunderbird flying through the sky again. Then we see something 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.960 that you recognize as the Predator alien if you've seen 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.960 a Predator movie. It's invisible, but you can see its outline. 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.760 You can hear it's like click click click noise its mouth. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.240 The clicks are cannon. I'm taking it. Yes, Yes, people 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.879 love a good old fashioned predator click. I was loving it. 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.960 It's good, it's good. Meanwhile, a lion has taken out 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.959 one of the men from the village, Poohy, so Tabe 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.520 and some other men start tracking the lion to rescue Poohi. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.960 Naru follows the men, but they don't take her seriously. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:54.440 They make a sexist remark toward her. Then Naru is 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.680 the one to find pooh He alive, but he's badly injured, 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.399 and she suspects that something else, something bigger, must have 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.840 scared off the lion and that's why pooh He is 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.520 still alive. Right, So Naru tends to his wounds and 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.400 gives him a medicinal plant that cools his body temperature 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.960 to slow down his blood flows so that he doesn't 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.320 lose too much blood. Right. Then, Naru and the others 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.639 carry Poohy back to their village while Tabe stays behind 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.879 to hunt the lion. On the way back, Naru sees 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.800 large footprints a skinned snake, kind of some freaky stuff. 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:33.879 The snake scene was cool and the yeah, the snake effects, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:36.480 that was one of the scenes. We're like, why can't 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.480 I see this in imax? This is so cool? Right, 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:44.840 So she sees all this stuff, so she and this 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.840 man Paca, turned back to warn Tabe and try to 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.040 help him kill the lion, but the plan doesn't totally work. 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.760 Tab has to save Naru and Paca from the lion, 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:59.720 and he returns having vanquished the lion, and Tabe is 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:04.400 made war chief. But Naru is like, well, there's something 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.639 still out there and if I have to, I'll I 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.119 will go out and hunt it by myself. And Toby 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.280 is like, well, you tried and you failed and you 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.639 can't do this, and you're like, Okay, this is some 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:21.639 real protagonist shit going on. Yeah, So, not more determined 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.919 than ever, sets off to find whatever this huge animal is, 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:30.400 this predator with I hear kind of incredible shoulders. That's 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:34.200 just what my friend said. Though great shoulders, nice abs, 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.600 just kind of a good overall fish also had abs. 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.879 If you recall so many they just kept going. He 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.600 had like forty as he had a lot of absy 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:52.960 confusing for me. Okay. Anyway, So we see Naru tracking 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.840 the predator. She perfects her throwing as adds a rope 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:58.840 to it so that she can easily retract it and 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.679 catch it. Meanwhile, we see the predator alien hunting and 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.359 killing a wolf. It rips the wolf's like spine and 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.360 head off, so we're like, oh my gosh, this predator 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:13.520 he means business and he has this yet like terminator 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.239 like vision, like predator vision that is heat sensing, so 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:21.440 he can see like warm bodies wherever he looks. Nauru 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:27.720 comes across a field of slaughtered and skinned bison. But 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.320 wait a minute, this wasn't the predator, even though predator 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.440 love to skin things. Because she finds a what I 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:40.359 think is a cigar, so we understand that humans did this. 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:47.040 Colonizers did this. So she continues hunting. She gets stuck 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.720 in like a marsh and has to use her axe 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.760 like on a rope to pull herself out again, just 0:20:54.800 --> 0:21:00.280 like an unbelievable sequence. The tension in that scene I'm 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.320 trying to I mean, anytime someone falls into a large marsh, 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.440 it's just it's going to be thrilling. Yeah, it's good. 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.119 Then she encounters a grizzly bear, which is about to 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.919 kill her, but then the bear is distracted by the 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:20.440 predator and she watches Mr. Predator fight and brutally kill 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:26.320 the bear. She manages to escape, then bumps into the 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.360 young men from the tribe who are out looking for her. 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:34.520 Character named Wassape is kind of leading the group. He 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:38.959 forcibly and violently tries to bring her back home, but 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.280 she fights back and tries to warn them about the 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.000 huge monster, but they don't believe her or take her 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:49.720 seriously until the predator shows up and starts killing the 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.720 men kind of one by one using it's like laser 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:59.040 pointer and advanced alien weaponry, which I love. I I 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:03.000 they advanced alien weaponry still feels like, oh, this was like, 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.560 this is technology from the this is what the future 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.520 was supposed to look like in the eighties. Like I 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.640 just love that element to it is. So it's fun 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:16.000 because going back and watching the advanced alien weaponry from 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:21.199 the first Predator movie in the eighties is very funny 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:26.760 to look. Is it the heat sensing vision? Anytime you 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:30.399 like see the eighties version of the heat sensing technology, 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:35.119 you're like, yep, this is from the eighties. That's wait, Johnny, 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.840 when did you first see a Predator movie? Oh? I 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:42.960 was young? Yeah, this is gonna date me that. I 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.840 believe I was eight years old, so that would have 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:54.440 been nice. Yeah, And I mean my family loved movies, um, 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:59.719 and I was basically born a horror fans, so you know, 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:02.760 it wasn't unusual for you know, people to let me 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:08.360 watch horror films because I remember watching Twilight Zone, Alfred 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.960 Hitchcock and do you guys remember the TV series The Hitcher? 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:18.560 What's that that was like on USA? And Tales from 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.159 the Dark Side. I know my mom has pictures of 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.520 me like peeking out from behind the couch and my 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.040 hands are over my eyes. But that's how I used 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:29.800 to watch shows. And I was super tiny, so sweet. 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.040 So like, I grew up on horror, so you know, 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:38.960 I had an early introduction into Predator and it kind 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:42.560 of stayed with me because you know, the movies aren't 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:45.639 that great, Like, you know, story wise, there are a 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:47.760 lot of action, there are a lot of fun, but 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:52.080 in terms of like a cinematic masterpiece, you know, it's 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:56.919 it's a little debatable, but you you root for the 0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:00.720 movies because you love Predator. You know, you love this 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:04.240 alien because, let's be honest, he's always getting his butt kicked. 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:08.520 He's never come out the winner. He may have gotten 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:11.400 a couple of kills in, but I mean, and it's 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:15.280 a formidable opponent for sure. Yeah, and he's always been 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:21.360 taken out by human intelligence, which can we just can 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:25.960 we just talk about how absurd that is, Like, you're 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:31.720 this creature that has heat vision and these advanced weapons 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.960 is getting beat by humans, and not just beat by humans, 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:39.960 but literally he got hit with a log, you know 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:45.440 what I mean, like the first movie. But you still 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:47.240 love him, you know what I mean, You still root 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:49.560 for him. You get excited when you see a Predator 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:58.320 movie and yeah, fish face, Mr Fish. That contextualizes it well. 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:02.280 I feel like the way you're describing your feelings about 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:04.840 Predator and the Predator franchise is how I feel about 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:08.320 Jigsaw and the Soft franchise, where you're like Okay, the 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:11.920 first one is genuinely really good. The rest we don't 0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:15.560 really know. But am I always rooting for Jigsaw, Yes, 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:19.399 I am. I mean it's the same thing with like, 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:22.960 you know, with Freddie and Nightmare on Elm Street, Jason. 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:25.640 You know, like you've got these moments that are so 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:28.920 good that draw you in, but then because you're so 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:31.879 invested at that point, like it doesn't matter if all 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.400 the rest of them suck, You're still excited for him 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.880 and you still love them absolutely cool. I was, Yeah, 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:40.240 I'm always curious with like franchises, but I feel like 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:42.119 eight that has to be that has to be such 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:46.880 a sweet spot, that's a lifelong pledge to the Predator. Yeah, 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.439 And I mean I am just as bad with Michael Myers. 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.720 I'm actually wearing a Michael Myers shirt now. Um that 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:58.240 is oh my gosh fandom that I am totally obsessed with. 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.639 And my whole thing, like over at this entire pandemic 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:05.000 has been just let me live to see the end 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:09.880 of this trilogy. So that's that's how invested I am 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:12.520 with my fandoms, you know. And it's the same with Predator. 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.960 Like I've seen all of the movies um, and I've 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:19.840 seen them almost except for the first two, all in theaters, 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:26.040 so numerous times. I'm that nerd who's seen I hate 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.040 to admit this Lord of the Rings probably about like 0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:33.360 ten times in theaters. I'm not that far behind you. 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:37.680 I saw a Return of the King six times in theaters. 0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:39.640 Like you know, this was back in the day when 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:44.200 you could afford to go to a movie multiple times. 0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.399 But you know, I remember just going to people who 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:47.840 were like, you're going to see it again, and I 0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:52.159 was like yes. It was like you don't understand. You're like, 0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:56.560 don't judge me. Work hard for my money. I will 0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:03.440 spend it how I want. Yeah, okay, so back to 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.680 back to the recap um. Okay. So it's the scene 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:10.720 where Predator shows up and kills all of the young 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:15.320 men in this group who is looking for Naru. Naru 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:20.320 narrowly escapes again, but oh no, her foot gets caught 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.840 in a trap and the predator comes right up to her, 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:27.840 but then leaves, and then just then some French for 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:32.919 trappers show up and abduct Naru. She wakes up. The 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:37.640 French demand information from her about this monster. Turns out 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:42.840 they've also captured her brother Tabe and the trappers tie 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:45.680 them up in an open area and use them as 0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:51.280 bait for the predator, and mr Predator does show up, 0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.879 but rather than taking the bait, he kills all of 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.920 the trappers and does not go after Naru and Tabeh. 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.760 Naru real eyes is the predator doesn't want bait and 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.760 won't attack anything that it doesn't consider a threat, so 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:12.200 Naru and Tabe eventually escape. Tabe sets off to collect 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:16.880 the frenchman's horses while Naru goes after her dog, Sorry, 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:20.440 who is back at the French camp. And she gets there, 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:23.199 she has to fight and kill a handful of French guys, 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.919 and then she helps out this man whose leg was 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:30.080 cut off. She gives him the medicine that lowers your 0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:33.800 body temperature and he kind of in exchange shows her 0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:38.080 how to use a gun. But oh no, the predator 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:41.200 comes to the camp but doesn't see the French guy 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.520 because his body temperature is too cold for the heat 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:48.560 sensing vision, which is something that Naru pieces together. She 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.040 kind of figures out that if you take this medicinal plant, 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:55.240 it makes it so that the predator can't see you. Meanwhile, 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:59.240 predator is about to kill the dog, but then Tabe 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:03.880 shows up on horseback. Naru and Tabe launch an attack, 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:09.200 but the Predator kills Tabe and Naru runs away to safety. 0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:13.080 Every time a dog is introduced in an action movie, 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.200 I'm just like, no, that dog is going to be 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:20.760 in the trenches. It um But you know the dog survives, 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:23.800 I know, and that that happy. That's what I call 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:31.960 subversion volume twenty two. So the Naru comes across another 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:35.960 surviving French guy, the same one who had injured her brother, 0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:40.720 so she gives him a gun that, oops, doesn't work. 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:43.040 This is all part of her plan. Basically, she wants 0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:45.080 the Predator to think of him as a threat because 0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:47.840 he has a weapon. But the gun doesn't work, and 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:52.640 her plan succeeds because Predator shows up and kills this 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:56.360 French guy, giving her the opportunity to have this final 0:29:56.400 --> 0:30:00.920 showdown with Predator. She has taken the medicine that lowers 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.320 your body temperature so Predator can't see her. They fight, 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.480 she chops off his arm, She pulls him into the 0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:11.960 marsh that she fell into earlier, and then using its 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:15.520 own alien technology against it, she is finally able to 0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:20.240 kill the Predator and she returns to her village with 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:25.560 the decapitated head of Mr. Predator the glow in the 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:30.400 dark blood like, oh, it's so cool. Yeah. Uh. She 0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:34.640 reunites with her mom and Naru is made the new 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:39.960 war chief of her tribe. So that is the story. 0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:43.440 Let's take another break and we will come back to 0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:56.719 discuss and we're back. Okay, where shall we start, Johnny, 0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.120 is there anything in particular you would like to start 0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:01.320 the discussion with. We can we can jump in what 0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.640 I mean, there's a lot we can talk about. There 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:09.640 is a lot um now, you know what I really 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:13.120 want people to understand, like, is the context of the 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.720 movie because I I don't know if you've seen it 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:20.640 in Comanche, but there's such a huge difference in the 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:26.240 way that the tone and even Naru's motivation is portrayed. 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.760 Because one of the fears that I had with this 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.440 movie from the very get go was that people would 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:37.200 kind of run with the original tagline of this being 0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:41.040 a commanche woman who goes against gender norms and traditions 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.920 to become a warrior. And in the English version, there 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.680 are moments that kind of that kind of hint at 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:52.720 that motivation. Um, you know, when Naru's talking with her mom, 0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:54.400 and her mom asked, why do you want a hunt? 0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.880 And she says, because you all think I can't. It 0:31:56.960 --> 0:32:00.760 seems like she's rebelling and that you know she's she's 0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:04.000 doing it to be rebellious and to prove that she 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:07.240 can and that the tribe is kind of holding her back. 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.480 But if you watch it in Command, she it's a 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:15.000 very different context that it falls and the context comes 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.520 back to it being about Nauru, Like she's not doing 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.080 it in spite of the tribe. You know, she's doing 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.400 it to prove it to herself, um, that she can 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:28.560 do it. So it's not about you know, everybody else 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:32.560 doubting her or anybody else's you know, ideas being pushed 0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.240 onto her. You know, it's about her proving to herself 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:38.840 that she can. And I thought that was one of 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:42.560 the most beautiful things about this movie being released in 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:47.120 Commanche and English is because there's such a huge difference 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.920 if you listen to if you watch the movie in Commanche, 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:53.959 you're going to get more context, more humor, um and 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:58.600 things are just better conveyed. I guess as far as 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.920 like the messaging of the movie and when you get 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.840 into the English, it almost seems like, which is kind 0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.880 of neat for me, because it almost seems like the 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.800 English is the afterthought, like a lot of the humor, 0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:15.040 the nuance, you know, like they didn't really it doesn't 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.200 come through in the English version. In the English version, 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:20.680 you really got to watch it in Comanche to get 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.840 the full effect of the movie and just how beautiful 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:27.880 it is. Um. Even the conversation that you know, not 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:32.080 Re has with her mother and her brother, it's better understood. 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.720 And even just the title of the film itself is 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:40.120 better understood in Comanche that it is in English. Um 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:44.120 pray in Commanche. You know, if you're watching it, it's 0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:48.560 Catamia is the trial that she's looking to undergo. And 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.560 that's actually what the movie. The title of the movie 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:57.200 translates to um in commande. So it kind of explains 0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.200 why it's not a predator movie, like it's not Header 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:04.560 than nine, you know. So, so I thought it was 0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:08.600 a genius use of the language um and shows how 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:13.080 meaningful and intentful they were in the usage of the 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:16.719 Comanche language. UM. So if you're watching in Comanche, like 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:20.600 you get a totally different experience. And so I want 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.200 people to really kind of understand like, this isn't a 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:26.600 girl power movie. Um, it is, but it's not like 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.120 she was doin it in spite of the men in 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:32.440 her tribe, like she was trying to prove or rebel 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:34.719 or anything, or they were trying to keep her from it. 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.520 That really wasn't the context that they were kind of 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:42.880 going for um And and there were moments where it 0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.520 really played out that way, you know, with the way 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:49.520 that her interaction with the other warriors, um, which for 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.400 a lot of us was kind of problematic because they 0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:54.800 would not have been able to treat her that way 0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.680 back then, and they wouldn't. I don't think they really 0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:01.080 would have thought to treat her that way as well, um, 0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:05.640 just because you know, pre colonization, you know, our relationships 0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.680 with you know, like being women and you know men, 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.840 our relationships were very different. It was all about a 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.960 balance of power. It wasn't about men holding power over 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:18.719 women or women holding power over men. There was a balance, 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.719 and so you know, that really kind of didn't come 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:25.879 through and it was kind of it was a little problematic, 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:29.720 but you know, like my thinking is nothing's perfect, so 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:35.000 you know, it's still a major step up in terms 0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:39.080 of representation, but there are still these little little nuances 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.239 where if you know, like if you're not Native, you're 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:44.400 going to get something different out of it. And I 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:47.440 think that could kind of be problematic just because so 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:51.479 many times, you know, even now with like the fan 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:54.160 backlash from this movie. You know that what I like 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:57.200 to call the Foe boys, because they're not really fans. 0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.480 They're just like agency chaos who come in and just 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.040 try to try ash things in, create drama. That's how 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:06.880 they have joy in their life, which is um interesting. 0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:10.120 So sad, yes, that is the word. That is the 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:14.319 word sad, pathetic, embarrassing, Yeah, but you know, like it 0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.600 kind of plays into that because I don't know how 0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:19.560 many comments I've seen after this we're like, oh, Native 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.440 men were brutal to women and you know, they were 0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:25.359 raping and blah blah blah blah, and they project all 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:29.560 of this you know, violence onto onto Native communities that 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:33.160 wasn't there just because of the stereotypes that we've typically 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.560 seen in movies. So you know, when I see things 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:38.719 like that, like I always worry about, like what the 0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:40.800 takeaway is going to be, Like are people going to 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:43.239 be like, see, that's how they really treated their Native 0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:46.200 women and you know, and it's like, no, it's a 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:49.799 little more complicated than that, right, Yeah. So I saw 0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:54.239 it in both the English and Comanche and just kind of, yeah, 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:58.560 what plays out in in both versions to I think 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.040 a lesser extent in Comanche, but still have those scenes 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:04.960 where the men aren't taking her seriously, they're being violent 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:08.839 towards her, They're enforcing what feels like kind of like 0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:13.759 white Christian sexism on to her. And I'm like, that 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:17.239 doesn't that didn't totally track. And I was glad that 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:19.719 you mentioned that in your piece as well, Johnny, because 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.319 I was like, I don't know, I was like, this 0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:26.440 doesn't seem to square very well, and it's it seems 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:30.560 to be kind of like a current film trope that 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.160 has made its way into this story where it doesn't 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.960 make sense for the period and the culture that this 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.600 story takes place in, because it just feels like kind 0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:41.600 of this like loose, like like you said in your 0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.480 like a girl power narrative that like is taking place 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:48.719 in a vacuum sort of. Yeah, And because I mean, 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:51.440 you know, I see this so often when we have 0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:55.280 discussions of like you know, especially like with women's issues, 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:59.880 and women's rights. A lot of like white patriarchal values 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:04.799 in feminist ideas get kind of projected onto Indigenous communities, 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:09.359 which you know, for me, it's annoying because it kind 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:15.960 of whitewashes and erases the inherent strength and power of 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.920 Indigenous women that we've always had. You know, pre colonization, 0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:25.320 we weren't oppressed in our communities. You know, we were 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:27.840 you know, they women have always kind of been the 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:32.040 backbones of our societies and respected and treated well, you know, 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:35.200 we held power, um, but it wasn't like we held 0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.520 power over um. You know, it was just like an 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:42.520 equal distribution of power. Like our our thoughts, our work, 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:47.480 our labor, everything had value and was respected. So you know, 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:50.720 I always worry about when it's projected onto us because 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:54.879 it really it almost is kind of like a way 0:38:54.880 --> 0:39:00.600 to deflect from the trauma of colonization, like to kind 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:02.920 of be like, oh, well, you know, like look what 0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.080 they were doing. You know, they were they were pushing 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.160 people into this, but it's not the same context. And 0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:11.040 you know, I don't if you're not Native like and 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:15.840 not familiar with Native history or cultures or communities, you 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:20.160 don't really understand like that the nuances that exist and 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.440 so when I mean that was my main worry with 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:27.200 this movie was just how like how these like patriarchal 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:29.960 values were being kind of projected. And you know, and 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.440 I kind of understand it to an extent too, because 0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:34.760 you know, this is a movie for a mass market 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.400 and you know it has to you know, viewers have 0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:42.759 to watch it and understand what's going on. And while 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.759 I wish it wasn't like they wish they would have 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:49.640 tweaked it a little bit in different ways, um, I 0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.840 think it still did a really good job of showing, 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:59.719 you know, the overall theme, right, because the one thing 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.360 that really annoyed me, you know was just the fact 0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:05.839 that the like the men warriors that she was going 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:09.120 out with, like the hunting parties and everything that you know, 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:11.719 her brother would not have allowed them to treat her 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:14.879 that way or to talk to her that way. Um, 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:17.719 And they would not have treated her that way, especially 0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:21.200 once her brother became you know, like they're like they're 0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:24.719 war chief. You know, that wouldn't have happened. And the 0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:27.919 part where you know they really kind of just beat 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:30.880 the crap out of her, Um, if if it was 0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:35.040 from a different tone it would have made sense if 0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:38.360 they weren't doing it to be sexist, if they weren't 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.480 you know, telling her like, oh, you should be back 0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.320 in the village cooking, you know, like it kind of 0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:47.919 would have made sense because Nate, you know, I grew 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.279 up kind of like I have brothers and sisters, um, 0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:55.200 and we used to fight and you know, like where 0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:59.880 I'm talking punching somebody's bleeding and you know, so it 0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:01.960 would have made sense if they were treating her as 0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:04.920 an equal, like a sister, and they were kind of 0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:08.400 like wrestling around and you know, fighting, it would have 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:11.400 made sense, you know. But the fact that there was 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:15.960 this very misogynistic tone to it didn't make sense. Like 0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.239 if they were if she was fighting them to prove 0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:22.920 that she could right like hanging with the boys, it 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.800 would have been different because that's something that totally happens, 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:27.759 like you you fight with your brothers to show you're 0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:31.200 just as stronger, just as good as you know, right right. 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:35.400 But that misogynistic tone just was like there are a 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:39.880 few lines that felt very like c w e in 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:43.759 just like the oversimplification of the missile, like I mean 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.759 just sort of echoing what you're saying. But then in 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:52.720 the relationship with Naro and Tabe, there were moments where 0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:57.040 it felt like that, like it became it worked for 0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:59.680 me a lot better when he was doubting her because 0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:04.120 she was his younger sibling versus like you are a 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:07.680 woman and I don't respect you. Yeah, And it wasn't 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:11.799 just that they were doubting her ability to because if 0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:13.480 you watch it in command she, like I said, you 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:16.680 get more nuanced and you kind of understand that they're 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.440 not worried about whether or not she can do it. 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.759 They're worried about whether or not she's doing it for 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.839 the right reasons, and whether or not she understands what 0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:32.160 it is she's doing and what it means. And because 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.359 like for her, you know, it is kind of like 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:38.600 a rebellion. She's stubborn, she's headstrong, and she you know, 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:41.759 like she she knows she wants to do this, and 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:44.120 you know, there's even a part where her mom tells 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:47.200 her that, you know, you want to take Katamiyah. And 0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:49.799 you think that it's only about the hunt and the kill, 0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:54.040 but the whole point of it is survival. Like it's 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.960 it's not about just going out and hunting. It's about 0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:00.000 knowing how to survive. And you know, when you're talking 0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:03.239 it about survival, that's not just knowing when to fight, 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:05.680 but also when to retreat. Because that was you know, 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:09.279 when they had this conversation. It was after they went 0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:12.920 hunting for the Mountain Lion, and you know, like she 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:16.520 almost died. And even her brother, you know, when he's 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:18.920 trying to give her share credit, he's like, you know, 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.279 like we did it. And then of course Naru is 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:26.360 kind of being brad and you know, because like I 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:28.279 think it is since she thinks her brother took her 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:32.560 victory from her or her opportunity. So and you know, 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:34.920 and then he's like, you know what, fine, we didn't 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:38.200 do this. I did this, and you know, just kind 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.799 of like trying to kind of taking it back from 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:44.520 her like this entitlement. I guess, you know, like you know, 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:46.920 I was trying to share this with you. But if 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:49.399 you're going to be that way, no, like if you're 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:52.919 going to love her, jet to put yourself in danger again. Yeah, 0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:54.920 and and then of course you know what did she do. 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:59.520 She took off and she put herself into dange But 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:01.520 you know, I thought it was a good way to 0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:03.919 kind of show that nuance. You know that they were 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:08.480 genuinely just more worried that she was rushing into something 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.759 that she didn't understand. And you know, and when you're 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:14.440 coming doing coming of age ceremonies or when you're going 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:18.879 into ceremony in our communities, you know, knowing what you're 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:23.120 getting into and the responsibilities that come with it um 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:26.600 are very important and it's something that's very stressed. You know, 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:28.640 like they don't want you just to jump into it 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.239 just because you think it's cool or you know, to 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.239 be trendy or to be different or whatever. Um, they 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.720 really want you to understand, you know what the meaning 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.400 of the ceremony is that and you go into it 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:42.680 with the right kind of mind, your heart's right. So 0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:44.800 I really thought that was kind of like a really 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:46.880 smart way to kind of show that, you know, that 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.040 they wanted her to understand what it is she was 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:54.439 undertaking and the responsibilities that come with that. The conversations 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.520 with like Tabi and you know Nauru were so beautiful 0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:01.760 to me because that was the perfect sibling like conversations. 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.160 You know, the brother trying to impart wisdom and she's 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:07.520 over there pretending to snore, and you know, I mean, 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:09.839 there was just so many things that were beautiful about that. 0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:13.720 But I really loved that they were kind of showing 0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:16.759 that care, and I wish they would have kind of 0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:19.520 carried that over to where the rest of the hunting 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:21.360 party or the rest of the people in the village, 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.680 you know, kind of had that same mindset too, instead 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:29.319 of adding that misogynistic kind of viewpoint in there, you know, 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:32.120 where it was like, oh, you you know, why are 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.640 you here? You know, it's we're not going to be 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:36.680 out here long. We don't need to cook, you know, 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.480 we need a Yeah, that one, I was just like, okay, 0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:43.400 rolling a little bit of that. I think those scenes 0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:47.120 could have also worked if the narrative had been kind 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.960 of adjusted so that because what's happening is that she 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:54.279 is is like, because she's such a good tracker, she's 0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:58.840 noticing all these kind of peculiar things, right like the 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.640 skin snake and the the large footprint, and she's like, 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.759 there's something else out here. It seems like, you know, 0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.839 a monster from like our folklore. And of course if 0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:12.200 someone tells you that, it's going to be difficult to believe, 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:16.000 especially like they know these lands very well, they know 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.680 the wildlife So if it had just been them sort 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:22.440 of being like, well, like, it doesn't sound like you're 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.760 talking about something that's real, so that it's like we're 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:30.520 having a trouble believing you. And and of course they 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:33.040 would have trouble because this thing that she's encountering is 0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:36.440 like not of this world, like not something they're familiar with. 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.840 So even if something like that had been more leaned 0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:41.759 into if it's like, well, yeah, we're not taking you 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:46.120 seriously because you're describing something that doesn't exist, or that 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:49.160 like we're not aware of yeah, or even if they 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:52.120 had been joking about it, like even if the tone, 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:57.239 like the delivery of the lines was less violent, less angry, Um, 0:46:57.280 --> 0:46:59.239 I think it would have played out like, oh, they're 0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:02.480 just joking with her and you know, kind of hazing 0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:07.640 a little bit like brothers and sisters do. And I 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:09.520 would have made a little more sense to me. But 0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:13.239 like that that violent undertone with everything and how they 0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:16.439 interacted with her, you know, just didn't really sit well 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:19.440 with me, Um, and I but I understand, you know, 0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:23.240 they had to do that more for like the mass market, 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:27.160 for other people to to understand like what what this 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.880 is and to kind of have that conflict like beyond 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:33.799 her just fighting a predator, So like I kind of 0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.200 understand it, but at the same time, like I don't 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:39.359 like it, but it's still it does feel like kind 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:43.640 of insidious and bizarre that like to make a movie 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:46.680 mass market of all, you have to layer on white 0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:52.160 Christian misogynist oppression onto a story. You're like, why there's 0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:55.200 because it does like feel like the story has if 0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:58.400 you take away like you're saying, Johnny, like the tone 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:00.799 of a lot of those interactions and just like some 0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:04.040 of the like kind of overwritten lines that are are 0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:08.000 lobbed at nar like everything you need is there to 0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.920 understand why things are playing out the way they are. 0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:15.240 In addition to like something that I like that isn't 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.719 said constantly, but I felt like you could feel was 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:22.560 like this family has already endured a loss, so of 0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:26.759 course they're going to be worried about a very headstrong 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:30.880 family member because they've already lost somebody. Like that is 0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:34.120 a very universal dynamic. I don't understand why this stuff 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.400 had to be added. And there was a really beautiful 0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:40.000 scene to um when Naru first started just heading out 0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:43.279 of the village. They kind of did the overseens like 0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:45.920 the overhead shot where she's walking out of the village 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:49.640 but all everybody else is walking in. And it was 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:53.839 a very beautiful shot because for me, you know, Indigenous 0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:57.480 communities have always been communital, a communal. You know, you 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.200 everything is for the betterment of the community. You don't 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:03.759 have people just going off on their own and doing 0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:07.960 their own thing because they have a responsibility to the community. 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:12.040 So it was a beautiful way, and it could be 0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:16.439 taken two ways, right because you could see it as 0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:20.160 her going against the norms. You know, she's going off 0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:23.279 on her own, she's daring to be different kind of thing, 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:25.480 like you could get that out of that shot. But 0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:27.239 one of the things that I got out of it 0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:31.680 was you kind of see where her family's worry was 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:37.560 valid because you know, she's she is being headstrong, she 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:42.000 is being stubborn, and she's going out on her own, unprotected, 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:46.560 without any backup, without letting anybody know. And you know 0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:49.400 she while she does have her own valid reasons for 0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:53.120 doing so, it kind of validates that concern that her 0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:56.200 brother and her mother had. You know that she doesn't 0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:59.520 understand what it is she's undertaking, and she really doesn't 0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:01.400 you know, like when she's out there, you know, she 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:03.520 starts to understand like, oh, this is bigger than I 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:05.600 thought it was, Like this is different, this is more 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:10.239 dangerous um and realizing like I'm not equipped to deal 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:13.680 with this, like I wasn't prepared for this, and you 0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:15.960 can kind of see that, and you kind of see 0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:19.640 that development too, like thank goodness she's observant, because that 0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:22.200 could have ended so badly if she wasn't. But the 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.280 fact that she was able to watch and to really 0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:28.920 learn and you know, just kind of helped her survive 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:33.080 this entire ordeal with the predator. But it could have 0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.480 ended so different because she went out just like you know, 0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:38.680 there's something out there, but I don't know what it is, 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:40.479 and I'm just going to go out there with my dog, 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.880 you know, and not let anybody know because it's not 0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:45.560 like she had a cell phone to call for help, 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:50.640 you know. So it was really interesting for me to 0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:54.120 see how they showed that and just how different, like 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:57.680 your perspective is going to be depending on your own 0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:02.640 personal viewpoints or perspectives and experiences when you're watching this movie, 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:06.080 like you're going to read into it some something different, 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:08.560 like there's several different ways that everything can be taken 0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:11.360 um which I think is one of the most genius 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.799 things about the film is because if you're watching it 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:17.399 from a Native perspective, it's going to be very your 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:21.000 experience is very different than a non Native who's watching 0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:23.040 the same scene, Like it's You're going to get two 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.560 different things out of it. So I thought, you know, 0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:28.120 that was a really beautiful thing. But also again it 0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:31.360 could be a little problematic. But I'm going with the 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:36.200 positive here. Well, I mean, especially like Native audiences seem 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:39.640 to generally agree that this movie is is a pretty 0:51:39.640 --> 0:51:43.720 big step forward as far as Native representation goes in media, 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:49.560 especially considering how how low the bar is. Yes, I mean, 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:55.279 most American media has portrayed Indigenous people very unfavorably, like 0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:59.560 a lot of racist stereotypes being leaned into Native characters 0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:03.120 being played by white actors, stories being told from the 0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:07.320 point of view of white characters where the Native characters 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:10.800 are on the sideline, or just being used as set dressing. 0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:13.960 I mean the list goes on right or only validated 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:18.759 as characters once they ally with the white characters. And yeah, yeah, 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:20.840 and and and you know, that's one of the things 0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:22.680 that I was kind of worried about, like from the 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:25.319 very get go, and I was so glad to be 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:28.439 proven wrong in a lot of regards. Um. But I'm 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:30.279 also one of those people, you know, I practice what 0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:34.120 I like to call critical nerd theory um, and it's 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:38.319 being able to watch and consume our media and being 0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:41.480 able to be critical about like the problems within that 0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:45.879 media while also like acknowledging like you can still love this, 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:48.120 you know, like it doesn't mean that you have to 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:51.640 throw it all away because it's not perfect. That's pretty 0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:55.120 much the thesis of our podcast. Yeah. Yeah, Like this 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:59.680 was such a milestone for the Commanche nation in terms 0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:03.000 of the way that their tribe has been portrayed in movies. 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:05.720 This is one of the only movies that has really 0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:10.240 portrayed Comanche people. Well. Um, And I was laughing because 0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:13.520 you know, again, I'm a horror nerd and I was 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:15.840 thinking back too. I was trying to think, like, is 0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:19.759 there another movie where Comanche people have been mentioned or portrayed? 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:23.560 And yes there is. And it's a movie that I 0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:27.600 loved growing up and I recently found it on YouTube 0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:31.680 and it did not age. Well. It is so bad. 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:35.160 It's called the Seller. Oh I read about this movie. 0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:37.960 I have not seen it before. Yeah, it's this it's 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:40.719 an old movie. I believe it was, like I think 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:46.680 it came out around the same time as The First Predator. Actually, um, 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:48.360 it may be in a couple of years later, but 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:51.680 it's around that same time. And you know, it's about 0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:55.040 a family that moves into this you know, the dad 0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:57.759 lost his job and you know, he's got to take 0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:01.600 this oil rig job and they move out into the 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:05.600 middle of nowhere and there's a monster in the area 0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:09.000 that is has been kind of kept dormant. You know 0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:12.560 that there's a native man and he's he's been kind 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:16.080 of tasked with making sure that this creature stays dormant, 0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:19.279 and you know, he's got spears and grounds to keep 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:23.560 it underground. And of course, you know, the the white 0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.239 guy and his kid see one of the spears and 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:28.799 the kids like, Dad, can I have it? And he's like, yeah, sure, 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:31.600 go ahead, take it. The kid takes it, and all 0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:35.799 hell is unleashed. But the monster, you know in this 0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:40.400 movie was the Comanche, and some of the other tribes 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:43.600 in the area were you know, trying to figure out 0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:45.839 how to get rid of the white men, and so 0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:49.719 they created this monster called um coguy. I think it 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:53.920 was um. I might be butchering the pronunciation, but you know, 0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:56.680 it's coguay. And it was a mix of all these 0:54:56.719 --> 0:55:00.560 different animals like lions and alligators and stuff like that, 0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:02.200 and it was supposed to kill the white man and 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:04.800 you know, and one of the guys was like, well, 0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:08.600 you know, if it if it was supposed to protect 0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:10.800 the natives, you know, why are you guys keeping it 0:55:11.440 --> 0:55:14.240 locked up? And the guy's like, well, it started killing 0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:20.160 indians too. So it's so bad that I had not 0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:23.760 heard of that movie before I read about it referenced 0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:27.279 does yeah a movie that did not age very well. Yeah, 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:29.600 Like I watched it on a YouTube and I was 0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:32.480 just like, how is this one of my favorite movies? 0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:35.000 Because I used to watch it every time it came 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:38.880 on and I would just be so excited to watch it. So, 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:43.200 you know, that's the only other horror movie that has 0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:47.680 made really made mention of Comanche people, and it was 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:50.120 just terrible. So for them to have prey, you know, 0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:53.520 that's a huge step up. But also just the way 0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:57.319 that this movie is something that is not only kind 0:55:57.360 --> 0:56:00.360 of showing the Comanche culture and a lot of different 0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:04.520 ways UM, but also helping with language preservation. You know, 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.400 this is something that young people who are looking to 0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:10.560 learn their language can see this movie and be like 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:14.040 more inspired to learn their language, to see it used 0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:17.640 in a more modern context, rather than it being something 0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:21.040 that's just always put in the past. Yeah, for sure, 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:25.120 I wanted to, yeah, go into that a little bit, 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:29.000 or just more into the production history of this movie. 0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:31.200 I feel like we've talked about it a little bit, 0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:34.800 but I just want to jump in so I believe 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:38.239 this is the first movie to be completely dubbed in 0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:42.880 commanche by all of the actors are doing their own dubs. 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:46.040 I really enjoyed like the reading about I mean, Amber 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:50.800 mid Thunder has given some really fabulous email or interviews, emails, 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:56.960 Jamie interviews. She's been sending emails. She's on fire, but 0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:01.200 really amazing UM insights into how the movie was produced, 0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:04.120 and like even just reading about her AX training and 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:06.719 all the practical stuff she did because she they put 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:10.640 her in the fucking trenches. But reading about how Amber 0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:14.759 mid Thunder and other UM actors in the movie were, 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:17.920 you know, either knew some ord had to be taught 0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:20.320 how to do their own dubs. I thought, was like, 0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:26.080 so incredible, So get this. So um. Dan Trackenberg had 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:30.720 originally pitched the movie to only be in Commanche, and 0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:34.160 so when they were holding auditions for the roles, like 0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:36.680 they would come in and they were doing their lines 0:57:36.680 --> 0:57:41.200 in English, but then they literally handed them the script 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:46.120 right then and there in Comanche, with no direction on 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:50.000 how to say the words or anything, because they wanted 0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:53.120 to see how well they would be able just to 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:55.680 read it and make, you know, like how well they'd 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:59.040 be able to work it out and um, because that 0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:01.400 would kind of give the an idea of how quickly 0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:04.960 they would be able to learn the Commanche language or 0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:09.160 their proficiency. And so I was kind of shocked because 0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:11.160 I was like, oh my gosh, I would have just 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:14.480 died right then and there right you know, like you're 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:17.040 like they give they give you the script in English 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:19.280 and you do your lines and you're like, I killed it. 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:21.680 Then they're like wait wait a second, an there you go, 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:25.440 and yeah, and it's in a language that you've never 0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:29.280 seen before or never heard spoken. I would have died, 0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:33.120 like I would have been like oh what, I was like. 0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:36.400 Auditions are stressful enough as it is, like oh my god, 0:58:37.720 --> 0:58:40.040 and then they have to do it in a foreign language, 0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:45.000 you know, like without any direction or anything. Um. So 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:49.440 I thought that was really unique and a testament to 0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:53.160 the talent of this caste, to the cast because they 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:56.280 all had to learn commanche, and you know, the command 0:58:56.320 --> 0:59:00.640 She Language Department, the Commanding Nation Language Department, did such 0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:04.240 a phenomenal job in teaching them. Because you know, there's 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:08.880 been other native productions and they're really good, um Dark 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:12.200 Winds for example. You know, like the story is good, 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:15.760 the acting is good, but when it comes to incorporating 0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:18.000 the language, you know, there were a lot of Avajo 0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:21.800 people who were kind of criticizing how the language was used, 0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:24.960 like it was things weren't being said right or you know, 0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:30.400 from the right um perspective. I guess, um, because in 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:34.360 a lot of our native languages, there's differences in the 0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:36.760 way that you say things for men and for women. 0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:40.880 So you know, like there's there's variations on words that 0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:43.560 only a man you know, that's what the way he 0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:45.960 would say it, and then there's you know, the way 0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.000 a woman would say it. You know, so there's like 0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:52.160 a gender difference in our language. And so you know, 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:55.320 that also comes into play when you hear our languages 0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:59.120 being spoken, because sometimes you're cracking up dances with wolves, 0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:03.080 they use some lacoda words, but the way that they 1:00:03.160 --> 1:00:06.120 used them was from a woman's perspective, the way a 1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:08.160 woman would say those words. So there were a lot 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:10.160 of people you know that still make fun of that, 1:00:10.200 --> 1:00:13.000 you know, like, oh, you know, he's he's talking like 1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:18.040 a woman. So you know, like there's there's it's really 1:00:18.080 --> 1:00:22.960 hard to get native languages correct because oftentimes, you know, 1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:27.320 it's not natives from those tribes speaking those languages, so 1:00:27.360 --> 1:00:31.840 they really don't know any different. So for the Commanding 1:00:31.960 --> 1:00:34.880 Nation Language Department to be as involved as they were, 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:38.040 and for the time that they took, you know, to 1:00:38.160 --> 1:00:41.160 really make sure that the actors were learning the language, 1:00:41.240 --> 1:00:45.280 learning the pronunciation um really just kind of showed the 1:00:45.360 --> 1:00:48.760 care that was going into this production. But also, you know, 1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:51.120 Amber mid Thunder has talked about it too that she 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:54.920 was really worried about taking on this movie because she 1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:57.840 was scared of how Indian country would respond to it. 1:00:58.280 --> 1:01:00.440 Like she wanted to do it right, she wanted to 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:03.880 do it justice, and you know she had she worried, 1:01:04.240 --> 1:01:06.040 you know, she was like when I first got this 1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:08.080 and I found out is a Predator movie, She's like 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:11.080 I cried, you know, not She's like and not tears 1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:14.720 of happy, but like just kind of like I was worried, 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:17.280 you know, like, oh no, like this is a huge 1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:20.280 franchise and I can't be the one to mess at EBB. 1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:24.080 Well that and I imagine, you know, there's so much 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:30.200 pressure put on Indigenous actors, actors from really any marginalized 1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:34.720 community to represent their community well because there's just so 1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:40.560 few examples in media of positive representations of those people 1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:44.120 of those communities. So it's just again speaks to a 1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:49.800 need for more stories to exist. Um. But yeah, so 1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:52.680 I imagine part of it was like this this pressure 1:01:53.120 --> 1:01:57.040 to represent her community. Well, I mean I can't imagine. Um. 1:01:57.600 --> 1:02:00.800 I wanted to share a couple of quotes, Um, Amber 1:02:00.840 --> 1:02:05.600 mid Thunder. I, Um, I've seen her in in stuff before. Um, 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:07.680 but this was I think the first like big leading 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:10.480 role I had seen her in. Um, except I did 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:13.760 watch Roswell in New Mexico. I really liked that show. Wow. Anyways, 1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:18.400 uh so she has she's from an acting family, and 1:02:18.760 --> 1:02:21.800 uh so I read a few things about just sort 1:02:21.800 --> 1:02:25.000 of how she has, you know, born witness kind of 1:02:25.000 --> 1:02:28.280 her whole life to how Indigenous people are represented in 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:31.240 movies and in TV, and how those talks, what those 1:02:31.280 --> 1:02:33.080 talks were like in her family. So I just wanted 1:02:33.120 --> 1:02:38.560 to share some quotes from her. Here's one, uh quote. 1:02:38.560 --> 1:02:41.000 When you're represented by something you can't relate to or 1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:44.720 feel represent you poorly, that does affect you. My dad 1:02:44.800 --> 1:02:46.880 is an actor, but even still we would have a 1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:49.760 lot of conversations about how that was really not the 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:52.360 way to do it, or ha ha, this is what 1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:55.280 they gave us to wear. Growing up, my parents handled 1:02:55.320 --> 1:02:57.920 it like an inside joke rather than being constantly hurt 1:02:58.000 --> 1:03:00.479 or offended by stuff. But getting old are in looking 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:02.680 at it, I can see the importance of representing things 1:03:02.720 --> 1:03:06.520 accurately and respectfully on film, especially because to someone who 1:03:06.600 --> 1:03:09.200 doesn't grow up in an indigenous community or really close 1:03:09.240 --> 1:03:12.600 to one, it's maybe the only source of information unquote. 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:17.120 Another major behind the scenes player I wanted to make 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:19.280 sure we shouted out and spoke about a little bit 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:25.280 was Jane Yes. Jane Myers is a producer on this film. 1:03:25.320 --> 1:03:30.760 She is a Comanche woman. Uh and she it sounds 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:33.000 like I mean, I found like a bunch of different 1:03:33.040 --> 1:03:37.080 examples of things she had done, different representations of just like, 1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:40.440 for example, horses or the original draft of the movie 1:03:40.560 --> 1:03:43.280 there was like no horses involved in. Jane Myers was like, 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:46.480 there has to be a horse like that, just basics 1:03:46.520 --> 1:03:49.760 to her culture that you know, this movie, it should 1:03:49.760 --> 1:03:53.120 be Z is written and directed by white guys. Still, 1:03:53.960 --> 1:03:56.840 and so while I think it's really really critical that 1:03:56.880 --> 1:04:00.360 there is a commanche producer on the movie, it's like, 1:04:01.360 --> 1:04:03.800 I mean, what would they have done without her? It's 1:04:03.880 --> 1:04:07.640 so messed up a lot more things. We'd be having 1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:12.400 a very different conversation. Yeah, and joking quite a bit 1:04:12.440 --> 1:04:16.840 more about this movie. Yes, yes, yes, um so yeah. 1:04:16.920 --> 1:04:21.040 It was written. It was directed by Dan Tractonberg, who's 1:04:21.120 --> 1:04:23.800 best known for ten Cloverfield Lane, I believe, which I 1:04:23.800 --> 1:04:26.600 did love that movie. It is fun um and written 1:04:26.640 --> 1:04:30.960 by Patrick asan An not really sure how to pronounce 1:04:31.040 --> 1:04:33.200 his last name. Um. But these are two white men. 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:36.440 And while I think it's largely agreed that the movie 1:04:36.520 --> 1:04:41.200 is well researched, and you know, they listened to producer 1:04:41.280 --> 1:04:45.040 Jane Myers and you know, did as much research as possible, 1:04:45.200 --> 1:04:47.600 worked with their cast to work with the convention nation like, 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:50.240 but still two white guys, Still two white guys. And 1:04:50.280 --> 1:04:53.560 I think the conversation we had earlier about um, this 1:04:53.640 --> 1:04:59.680 kind of insertion of gender roles and and sexism that 1:04:59.840 --> 1:05:05.600 is not authentic to indigenous communities would probably have not 1:05:05.720 --> 1:05:08.960 been in the movie had been written and directed by 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:13.360 indigenous filmmakers. So, and we've talked about this on the 1:05:13.400 --> 1:05:16.480 podcast quite a bit before about how it feels like 1:05:16.760 --> 1:05:19.560 we are in this phase of Hollywood right now where 1:05:20.240 --> 1:05:23.000 it seems like Hollywood is finally listening to and doing 1:05:23.080 --> 1:05:27.920 something about the strong demand for stories that aren't just 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:32.240 about cis at white men. But those are the only 1:05:32.360 --> 1:05:36.920 people that they are still allowing to make movies. Obviously 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:41.560 I'm exaggerating. Creators of many different backgrounds are being given 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:46.280 more opportunities than before, but just like the very gate 1:05:46.360 --> 1:05:50.280 keeper nature of Hollywood, Yeah, and it's and it's also 1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:53.760 like thinking about the quality of the opportunities that they 1:05:53.800 --> 1:05:58.280 are being given because I feel like, you know, they 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:01.520 like to jump on the bandwagon, you know, Native representation. 1:06:01.600 --> 1:06:04.280 It's a hot topic right now, and we've seen the 1:06:04.320 --> 1:06:08.440 success of Rutherford Falls and reservation Dogs and you know, 1:06:08.600 --> 1:06:11.680 Dark Winds came out, and of course Pray and you know, 1:06:11.800 --> 1:06:17.080 like these are critically acclaimed series and movies now, and 1:06:17.320 --> 1:06:20.760 I feel like, you know, Hollywood is always like trying 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:23.560 to jump on that next best thing. So now they're like, Okay, 1:06:23.800 --> 1:06:26.320 you know what, there is a market for this, so 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:29.520 let's go with it. And they're given Natives opportunities, but 1:06:29.600 --> 1:06:32.320 they're also not while the opportunity is there, they're not 1:06:32.360 --> 1:06:36.440 necessarily getting the support they need for those productions to 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:40.200 be as successful as they could be. Um. You know, 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:43.280 we recently saw the cancelation of Rutherford Falls, and I 1:06:43.320 --> 1:06:46.760 feel like that is a perfect example of that because 1:06:46.880 --> 1:06:51.080 like there wasn't a lot of advertisement. Um, there wasn't 1:06:51.120 --> 1:06:54.400 a lot of marketing anywhere for Rutherford Falls, like for 1:06:54.560 --> 1:06:57.760 a while, like with season two. UM, I saw maybe 1:06:57.840 --> 1:07:00.320 a couple of posters on a couple of US ops 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:02.600 and I think they had a bus at at one point. 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:06.640 But that's the only promotion that I saw outside of 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:11.280 Indian Country, UM, outside of Native people really pushing the show. 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:15.680 And it almost felt like the responsibility was put on, 1:07:16.280 --> 1:07:18.960 you know, the show runners and the writers and the 1:07:19.000 --> 1:07:22.360 actors to really try and make the show as successful 1:07:22.440 --> 1:07:26.440 as they could do, but they didn't have studio support, 1:07:26.600 --> 1:07:30.120 Like they didn't have the money behind them to really 1:07:30.200 --> 1:07:33.560 make that show successful as it could have been. And 1:07:33.600 --> 1:07:35.920 then of course, you know, they kind of get punished 1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:38.920 for the impact, which is, you know, not having the viewership. 1:07:39.520 --> 1:07:42.160 But I think if more people had been able to 1:07:42.160 --> 1:07:44.600 see some kind of marketing or some kind of push 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:48.680 for it, you know, it could be just as successful 1:07:48.880 --> 1:07:52.720 as Reservation Dogs and as Prey because Rutherford Falls was 1:07:53.680 --> 1:07:58.560 so beautiful. Um, the second season was amazing to me. Um. 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:04.000 There's a dirty dancing gomage too that's just freaking killed it. Uh. 1:08:04.920 --> 1:08:09.080 There's also a party scene where they have like what 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:12.480 I call a condiment throw down, where you have some 1:08:12.560 --> 1:08:15.600 Native women that are all dressed as condiments because the 1:08:15.680 --> 1:08:18.679 hot guys in a hot dog suit. And then they're 1:08:18.720 --> 1:08:20.960 all fighting over this guy and he doesn't even know 1:08:21.000 --> 1:08:25.960 they're fighting over him, which I find hilarious. Special to me, 1:08:26.439 --> 1:08:29.000 it is, it is such a special show, and I 1:08:29.040 --> 1:08:31.920 wish they would have had the support. And I feel 1:08:32.320 --> 1:08:35.120 like that's kind of the worry now, is that so 1:08:35.200 --> 1:08:38.280 many studios are going to be giving natives the opportunity 1:08:38.360 --> 1:08:41.840 to do these shows and taking that chance, but then 1:08:41.880 --> 1:08:45.040 the responsibility of the success of those shows is also 1:08:45.080 --> 1:08:48.800 going to be put on the show runners. And then, 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:51.679 of course, you know, when it comes to marginalized people, 1:08:52.360 --> 1:08:56.600 you know, we don't oftentimes get a second chance. You know, 1:08:56.720 --> 1:08:59.960 we only have that one chance, and if you're not successful, 1:09:00.720 --> 1:09:03.400 you're not getting another chance. Meanwhile, you know, if it 1:09:03.520 --> 1:09:06.000 was a white show runner, you know they can make 1:09:06.040 --> 1:09:08.559 a bad show after bad show after bad show and 1:09:08.680 --> 1:09:13.519 keep getting opportunity after opportunity, and not only opportunity, but 1:09:13.880 --> 1:09:17.200 the marketing to try and make those things successful for 1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:24.160 inferior shows. Yeah, exactly, because I guarantee you if Pray 1:09:24.160 --> 1:09:28.679 did not have Dan Tracknenburg attached to it, we wouldn't 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:31.880 be having this conversation. It wouldn't be the production that 1:09:31.960 --> 1:09:34.760 it is. Um Like, the studio wouldn't have invested the 1:09:34.800 --> 1:09:37.519 money that they did for the marketing. Because I mean, 1:09:37.560 --> 1:09:41.840 it was incredible here in l A. Because just driving 1:09:42.320 --> 1:09:47.479 to the supermarket, you passed reservation boards billboards, and then 1:09:47.520 --> 1:09:51.400 you pre you're passing prey billboards and like there's still 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:55.519 prey billboards up now, And it's such an incredible thing 1:09:55.560 --> 1:09:58.559 to to be native in l A and to be 1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:02.240 just driving around and you're and like Native Film, Native show, 1:10:02.680 --> 1:10:06.200 you know, and to see them getting that marketing because 1:10:06.200 --> 1:10:09.240 you know, those billboards are not cheap and they're not 1:10:09.360 --> 1:10:14.320 the tiny little billboards like these are massive billboards. And 1:10:14.360 --> 1:10:17.520 one of the prey billboards that I saw actually had 1:10:17.760 --> 1:10:20.200 like where the red lights were were actually lit up 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:25.439 kind of reflective. Yeah, so I was like wow, Like 1:10:25.560 --> 1:10:28.519 they went out and of course, you know, they were 1:10:28.600 --> 1:10:32.120 really mindful to try and include Native journalists and the 1:10:32.160 --> 1:10:35.400 marketing and the press um, you know, and I think 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:38.880 that was so phenomenal because that doesn't happen with a 1:10:38.880 --> 1:10:42.360 lot of other shows, even if Natives are included, like 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:45.920 we're not included. So they so this entire production was 1:10:46.000 --> 1:10:51.280 really intentful in making sure that Native people were included 1:10:51.360 --> 1:10:56.040 in almost every aspect of the rollout and development. So 1:10:56.920 --> 1:11:01.200 you know, it's really special, and I feel like Hollywood 1:11:01.240 --> 1:11:04.360 needs to do a better job of giving us, you know, 1:11:04.479 --> 1:11:08.000 full support, not just the opportunity, but making sure that 1:11:08.160 --> 1:11:12.160 you know, we're supported behind the scenes and also you know, 1:11:12.280 --> 1:11:17.240 given the opportunity to to kind of learn um because 1:11:17.280 --> 1:11:19.760 I feel so many of the time they're they're giving 1:11:19.800 --> 1:11:21.960 people like the opportunity, but they expect you to go 1:11:22.000 --> 1:11:24.320 in and just know what you're doing. But you know, 1:11:24.479 --> 1:11:27.800 not a lot of people have, you know, familiarity with 1:11:27.840 --> 1:11:30.880 how marketing works or with you know, how you're going 1:11:30.920 --> 1:11:35.240 to push the film. And it's just I don't know. 1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:37.120 I feel like there's a lot of support, like the 1:11:37.160 --> 1:11:39.839 opportunities there now, but now we don't have the support, 1:11:40.240 --> 1:11:43.040 and the support is kind of like a major component 1:11:43.240 --> 1:11:47.519 to success. So it's kind of a catch twenty two 1:11:47.560 --> 1:11:49.719 because I feel I don't want to see a lot 1:11:49.760 --> 1:11:54.640 of really amazing Native talent being given this opportunity but 1:11:54.720 --> 1:11:57.360 then being just spit out, you know, if they don't 1:11:57.400 --> 1:12:02.160 have the support they need and it's as successful right 1:12:02.200 --> 1:12:05.559 off the back is like reservation dogs, right, And it's 1:12:05.640 --> 1:12:08.639 I I think that that's like such we've we've tried 1:12:08.640 --> 1:12:10.160 to touch on this in the show before, but the 1:12:10.520 --> 1:12:14.479 like the idea that there's not that institutional support for 1:12:14.600 --> 1:12:18.840 Native filmmakers that there is for Dan Trachtenburg, Like we 1:12:18.880 --> 1:12:21.000 need to get to a place where you don't need 1:12:21.040 --> 1:12:24.280 the endorsement of a Dan Tractenburg in order to get 1:12:24.320 --> 1:12:28.840 the institutional support that Prey did. Like it's just and 1:12:28.880 --> 1:12:31.960 it feels like we're still very very much stuck in 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:38.000 that gate keeping aspect, like that has not been overcome. Yeah, 1:12:38.040 --> 1:12:42.080 and and it's very different for us too, because you know, 1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:46.519 I recently did an interview with with Monique Jones, and 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:48.880 you know, she asked me like, well, do you think 1:12:48.880 --> 1:12:51.400 there's going to be more Native content now? And I'm like, 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:56.960 there is an incredible amount of Native content now and 1:12:57.000 --> 1:13:00.280 there always has been because we have two different film 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:04.960 industries for for Natives, Like we have Hollywood, the Hollywood industry, 1:13:05.000 --> 1:13:09.320 but we also have our own Native film industry because 1:13:09.360 --> 1:13:12.240 we've been kept out of Hollywood for so long that 1:13:12.280 --> 1:13:16.000 in order for our creatives to have that opportunity, we 1:13:16.040 --> 1:13:18.800 had to create it ourselves. So there is a thriving 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:23.400 Native film community and industry, like we have so many 1:13:23.439 --> 1:13:27.080 different film festivals. You know, like Sterlett har Jo, a 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:29.160 lot of people are just now hearing about him for 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:32.960 Reservation Dogs, but he has an incredible body of work 1:13:33.000 --> 1:13:37.439 behind him, like award winning movies and shows that he's 1:13:37.479 --> 1:13:41.240 worked on, that he's written for, and he's really well known. 1:13:41.400 --> 1:13:43.160 A lot of the talent that you see in the 1:13:43.200 --> 1:13:46.840 show for for everybody else, you know, their newcomers. But 1:13:47.040 --> 1:13:51.920 for us, like they're some of them are legendary, you know, 1:13:52.160 --> 1:13:54.680 and so like there's this two different industries and they 1:13:54.720 --> 1:13:58.559 operate very differently from each other. And you know, like 1:13:58.600 --> 1:14:01.439 I think a lot of people who are you know, 1:14:01.520 --> 1:14:05.240 who are very successful in our native film industry, you know, 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:07.680 they're a little more easily able to adapt to the 1:14:07.720 --> 1:14:13.679 Hollywood industry. Um. But if you're a new, newcoming, upcoming 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:16.720 talent and you don't have experience, like this is your 1:14:16.720 --> 1:14:19.840 first opportunity, you know, it's it's going to be a 1:14:19.960 --> 1:14:23.400 cult not only a culture shock, but just you know, 1:14:23.479 --> 1:14:26.840 a huge risk to the entire rest of your career 1:14:26.960 --> 1:14:28.719 like that to make it or break it thing, because 1:14:28.760 --> 1:14:32.439 you're not getting a second opportunity within the industry once 1:14:32.479 --> 1:14:34.920 they think like, oh, well we gave you your shot, 1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:38.840 you're not really worth developing, and you know, like they 1:14:38.880 --> 1:14:43.360 just spit people out. And I think that's such a 1:14:43.479 --> 1:14:46.959 hard pill to swallow because we have so many talented 1:14:47.040 --> 1:14:50.439 Natives out here who have been working in Hollywood for 1:14:50.760 --> 1:14:54.479 quite a few years, decades even and you know, they 1:14:54.640 --> 1:14:57.720 they're still not getting the opportunity to to run their 1:14:57.720 --> 1:15:00.559 own shows even though they've worked on you know, white 1:15:00.600 --> 1:15:03.920 rent shows, white creative shows. Um, but they've never been 1:15:03.960 --> 1:15:07.640 given the opportunity to really push their own. It's and 1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:10.920 it's really kind of heartbreaking too, you know, like I 1:15:10.920 --> 1:15:12.639 I don't know if you've ever seen the show Young 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:17.599 and Hungry. Um, yes, I love that show so much, 1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:21.120 And just like I think it was last year I 1:15:21.200 --> 1:15:23.840 learned that they had a Native writer and you see 1:15:23.920 --> 1:15:26.880 his name on every single episode, and I'm like, how 1:15:26.920 --> 1:15:29.679 did I miss that? I would have loved that movie 1:15:29.720 --> 1:15:33.200 even or the show even more if I had realized 1:15:33.240 --> 1:15:36.160 put two to two. But you know, like, and you 1:15:36.240 --> 1:15:38.760 see that now that I know that, I watch and 1:15:38.800 --> 1:15:41.200 I'm like, oh, that's a Native writer. Oh that's a 1:15:41.280 --> 1:15:44.360 Native person. And I'm thinking, like, how is it that 1:15:44.439 --> 1:15:47.160 they've worked on all these incredible shows yet they have 1:15:47.280 --> 1:15:51.400 not been given the opportunity to do their own. Yeah, 1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:55.920 And it's just it's kind of frustrating. But also I realized, like, 1:15:56.840 --> 1:15:59.800 you know, I understand, like colonization has done such a 1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:03.720 really good job at making Native people invisible on our 1:16:03.720 --> 1:16:07.400 own homelands. So it's a different type of struggle because 1:16:07.840 --> 1:16:10.599 if you look at the Canadian film industry too, it's 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:14.400 very different from our own. Um, it's nothing for Native 1:16:14.439 --> 1:16:17.760 people in Canada to be able to be cast on 1:16:17.800 --> 1:16:22.200 a show. And while they are native, it's not what 1:16:22.720 --> 1:16:25.840 revolve like their character doesn't revolve around them being native. 1:16:26.040 --> 1:16:28.840 They just happened to be a doctor who happens to 1:16:28.840 --> 1:16:32.080 be Native. Like it's very normalized. Um, But here in 1:16:32.120 --> 1:16:35.280 the US were always mothered and we're always you know, 1:16:35.360 --> 1:16:38.200 kind of portrayed very differently or they have to rely 1:16:38.280 --> 1:16:41.160 on these stereotypical tropes in order for them to have 1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:44.920 a native character. And so it's like our progress is 1:16:45.520 --> 1:16:50.080 very different and we're finally starting to catch up a little, 1:16:50.560 --> 1:16:54.559 but we're still so far behind. And it's just it's 1:16:54.640 --> 1:16:58.479 it's kind of like how how how do we foster 1:16:58.880 --> 1:17:02.080 a better environment for that? You know? Yeah, I think 1:17:02.200 --> 1:17:05.360 part of it too is that, like you mentioned, um, 1:17:05.400 --> 1:17:08.800 Hollywood is is seeing indigenous stories is like, oh, they're 1:17:08.800 --> 1:17:11.240 so hot right now, you know, And and if it's hot, 1:17:11.280 --> 1:17:15.040 it's going to be profitable. And Hollywood is also very 1:17:15.080 --> 1:17:20.360 averse to risk for profit reasons. And I feel like 1:17:20.439 --> 1:17:24.919 a lot of Hollywood executives still see, for example, allowing 1:17:25.040 --> 1:17:29.120 an indigenous filmmaker to tell their own story as a risk. 1:17:29.240 --> 1:17:31.960 They view that as something that's christy because they don't 1:17:31.960 --> 1:17:34.840 think it would be relatable enough to a widespread audience. 1:17:34.840 --> 1:17:37.320 And they want a widespread audience because that will make 1:17:37.360 --> 1:17:40.760 them more money. So yeah, and and and you know, 1:17:41.120 --> 1:17:43.280 it's kind of hard to find a balance with that too, 1:17:43.320 --> 1:17:47.559 because it's like, come on, you guys, Like how many 1:17:47.600 --> 1:17:50.479 millions of dollars did you guys give to Tom Cruise 1:17:50.680 --> 1:17:55.880 for the Mummy? You know, oh my gosh, come on, right, 1:17:56.640 --> 1:18:00.559 And even like the concept of risk averse as defined 1:18:00.600 --> 1:18:04.600 by a lot of executives, it's just like absolute horseshit, 1:18:04.800 --> 1:18:07.559 because like, how is it more aversive risk to have 1:18:08.080 --> 1:18:13.280 like a mediocre like guy director like in a story 1:18:13.360 --> 1:18:16.680 that he like, it's like not a good match in 1:18:16.800 --> 1:18:19.240 an he went like it just it bothers me so much. 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:21.120 When it's like, well this is less of a risk, 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:23.680 You're like, this guy sucks like his track, look at 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:26.920 his like a heavy page. He's not good, like, but 1:18:27.040 --> 1:18:31.120 he gets opportunity after opportunity after opportunity, And I'm just like, 1:18:31.320 --> 1:18:35.960 what the heck? But you know it's I mean, we've 1:18:36.000 --> 1:18:38.160 made progress, and I feel like, you know, we kind 1:18:38.160 --> 1:18:40.360 of have to acknowledge that progress too and kind of 1:18:40.400 --> 1:18:45.840 celebrate it because I think we also know that when 1:18:45.880 --> 1:18:50.240 you have a male dominated industry, it really runs on ego. 1:18:51.240 --> 1:18:54.560 So I feel like we kind of have to celebrate 1:18:54.640 --> 1:18:57.439 the winds because it's an ego thing for them. If 1:18:57.439 --> 1:19:00.320 they're like, oh, look, we got accolades for this. You know, 1:19:00.400 --> 1:19:02.920 I did the bare minimum and they're giving me cookies, 1:19:03.400 --> 1:19:08.599 then they're more likely to keep doing it. So so 1:19:08.640 --> 1:19:10.840 I try and I try to be very careful about 1:19:10.880 --> 1:19:14.000 this too, because I used to go really hardcore with 1:19:14.040 --> 1:19:18.519 my criticism, not really thinking about the larger impact because 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:23.360 I'm just like, well, you know, I'm not an industry like, 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:26.840 I'm not like known in their industry or whatever. But 1:19:27.439 --> 1:19:32.040 I kind of got an eye opening experience back when, um, 1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:36.479 when they were doing Pan and you know, they cast 1:19:36.560 --> 1:19:40.080 Rooney Mara as Tiger Lily, and a course, is that backlash? 1:19:40.240 --> 1:19:43.400 And you know, I had created the hashtag not your 1:19:43.439 --> 1:19:47.679 Tiger Lily to kind of discuss the whitewashing that happens 1:19:47.800 --> 1:19:51.879 in Hollywood, but also, you know, to kind of discuss 1:19:51.920 --> 1:19:56.160 the problematic nature of Tiger Lily and how you know 1:19:56.240 --> 1:19:59.840 she's this just a victim and then of course you 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:04.880 they constantly are doing this problematic character and they keep 1:20:04.920 --> 1:20:08.800 doing Peter Pan and it's a problematic story anyway, but 1:20:08.920 --> 1:20:12.840 you know, it has very racist origins towards Indigenous people, 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:15.800 like even in the book, and it hasn't gotten better 1:20:16.000 --> 1:20:19.439 in the depictions that we see on screen. The only 1:20:19.479 --> 1:20:22.719 difference is now that they're casting Native people as Tiger 1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:26.080 Lily as kind of like an appeasement, but they're not 1:20:26.120 --> 1:20:30.800 making the story or her character any better. Yeah, So 1:20:31.280 --> 1:20:33.559 you know, like I kind of wanted to bring attention 1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:36.360 to that. And one of the things that I found 1:20:36.439 --> 1:20:41.120 so hilarious about that was I realized that studios use 1:20:41.400 --> 1:20:46.439 our criticism as Native people as an excuse to not 1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:50.679 fund Native creative projects if they think that, oh, there's 1:20:50.720 --> 1:20:54.000 a potential for backlash here. Um. And I got that 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:58.280 eye opening experience because I had noticed on my Twitter, 1:20:58.439 --> 1:21:02.920 like you know, it was already like months after um 1:21:03.080 --> 1:21:05.439 the casting had been announced, and actually I think it 1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:07.880 was like right before the release of the movie. I 1:21:08.040 --> 1:21:10.759 noticed that there were all these reporters starting to follow 1:21:10.800 --> 1:21:13.519 me out of l A. And I was living in 1:21:13.520 --> 1:21:16.120 Oklahoma at the time, so that was really weird to me. 1:21:16.680 --> 1:21:18.320 And I was like, what the heck is going on? 1:21:18.960 --> 1:21:23.000 And finally I got a message on my Twitter asking, 1:21:23.040 --> 1:21:25.400 you know, to call this reporter. She's like, I really 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:27.240 like to talk to you, and I was like okay, 1:21:27.520 --> 1:21:29.800 So like I called because I was like curious about 1:21:29.840 --> 1:21:32.040 why these reporters were following me all of a sudden, 1:21:32.800 --> 1:21:36.400 and the studio had I don't know if it was 1:21:36.400 --> 1:21:39.960 a press release or in some interview that they had 1:21:39.960 --> 1:21:45.520 done or some conversation somewhere, they had mentioned a potential 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:49.400 for that I was organizing a protest for the premiere, 1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:54.040 and so they were anticipating Natives to show up in 1:21:54.160 --> 1:21:58.080 protest at the premiere and I'm like what. I was like, 1:21:58.160 --> 1:22:00.439 I'm not even in l A, like I've been Homa. 1:22:01.160 --> 1:22:03.519 And they were like, well, you know, we were told 1:22:03.560 --> 1:22:06.800 that you're organizing this protest and I was like no. 1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:11.000 I was like, why would I kind of bring more 1:22:11.000 --> 1:22:14.400 attention to a film I'm trying to not bring attention 1:22:14.400 --> 1:22:18.000 to or to avoid, like because you know, Hollywood kind 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:21.160 of operates on this any publicity is good publicity kind 1:22:21.160 --> 1:22:24.280 of thing. And it was really weird because she was 1:22:24.320 --> 1:22:27.920 just like, well, you know, we heard this um and 1:22:28.040 --> 1:22:29.920 she's like, you know, so we really want to learn 1:22:29.920 --> 1:22:32.360 more about this protest and why you don't think this film. 1:22:32.360 --> 1:22:35.040 And I was just like, this is weird. And um 1:22:35.080 --> 1:22:38.400 I was asking somebody else and they were like, well yeah. 1:22:38.760 --> 1:22:40.880 She was like, this is kind of like how they 1:22:40.920 --> 1:22:43.599 generate buzz for their film. You know, if they can 1:22:43.680 --> 1:22:47.880 find any anything that could pique interest in the movie, like, 1:22:47.920 --> 1:22:49.639 they're going to use it. And I was like, well, 1:22:49.680 --> 1:22:52.600 that's really weird. I said, because I'm in Oklahoma, you 1:22:52.760 --> 1:22:54.720 think they would have done their homework first to make 1:22:54.720 --> 1:22:58.120 sure it was feasible. And she's like, oh, she's like no. 1:22:58.320 --> 1:23:00.439 She was just like, it's it's just what they do. 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:03.640 And um, you know, like and I started asking her 1:23:03.640 --> 1:23:06.400 because she's worked in Hollywood for quite a while, and 1:23:06.439 --> 1:23:10.559 I started asking her questions, and you know, she was like, well, 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:14.800 you know, anytime that they see bad press coming out 1:23:14.800 --> 1:23:17.760 of out of like in in country, you know, they 1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:20.320 kind of use that as an excuse to pull funding 1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:23.040 or to not fund projects, to not give people the 1:23:23.120 --> 1:23:28.400 opportunity because they don't want that drama. Um. She's like, 1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:30.759 they don't want to be affiliated with that bad press. 1:23:31.280 --> 1:23:34.600 And so I it really made me think like, Oh, 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:36.760 I was like, because you know, you want people to 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:40.320 see your conversation. She want people to talk about these issues, 1:23:40.760 --> 1:23:42.679 but you also don't want it to hurt the people 1:23:42.680 --> 1:23:47.160 who are working in that industry. Um. And I realized like, oh, like, 1:23:47.280 --> 1:23:49.760 we kind of have to tread a lot careful, a 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:53.599 lot more carefully than other people when we criticize like 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:57.599 the like when we criticize Hollywood, and it's it's not fair, 1:23:57.840 --> 1:24:01.640 it's not right. But you know, it's also good to 1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:04.800 be aware of that because you know, it's made me 1:24:05.240 --> 1:24:10.320 really think about the way that I criticized films or 1:24:10.360 --> 1:24:12.559 the way that I bring about issues or the way 1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:16.599 that I talked about them, um, because I also don't 1:24:16.640 --> 1:24:20.120 want to vilify the Native people who are in those films, 1:24:20.240 --> 1:24:23.439 and that's something that happens quite a bit um. And 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:26.040 we saw that with Ridiculous Six, where you know, they 1:24:26.080 --> 1:24:29.280 did have Native actors who did walk off the set 1:24:30.240 --> 1:24:32.960 because of the racist stereotypes that Adam Sandler was using. 1:24:33.560 --> 1:24:36.320 And you know, he had said like, oh, well, it's satire, 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:39.720 but you know, for for Native people, like there's a 1:24:39.720 --> 1:24:44.639 difference between satire and racism, and it's a thin line, right, 1:24:44.800 --> 1:24:47.840 and it's not for Adam Sandler to decide what works, 1:24:48.160 --> 1:24:52.200 decide what exactly. So you know, while there were a 1:24:52.200 --> 1:24:54.479 lot of Natives who walked off the set, there were 1:24:54.479 --> 1:24:56.559 a lot of Natives who stayed. And you know, we're 1:24:56.640 --> 1:24:59.839 in the film and there was a lot of vilific 1:25:00.000 --> 1:25:02.680 Asian that happened, like oh well they're sellouts there this, 1:25:03.360 --> 1:25:06.280 and it's like no, their Native people trying to work 1:25:06.280 --> 1:25:09.759 in an industry that is very violent towards Indigenous people, 1:25:10.479 --> 1:25:15.160 um still, and they also have families to feed. It's 1:25:15.200 --> 1:25:17.679 a very hard balance to to kind of walk because 1:25:18.360 --> 1:25:21.080 you know, I think that you kind of do have 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:22.840 to draw a line, but that line is going to 1:25:22.920 --> 1:25:26.200 be different for everybody else. You know, like Indian countries 1:25:26.240 --> 1:25:29.720 not a monolith. So you know, while one Native could 1:25:29.720 --> 1:25:33.040 be totally okay with how they were doing ridiculous six 1:25:33.080 --> 1:25:35.799 you know, they were Natives who worked, and it didn't 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:39.720 mean that either one was wrong or invalid. It just 1:25:39.760 --> 1:25:43.640 means that they had very two different perspectives and also motivations, 1:25:43.680 --> 1:25:46.240 which for a lot of people, that motivation is to 1:25:46.360 --> 1:25:48.640 work and to be able to feed and take care 1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:51.639 of their families. And so you don't want to fault 1:25:51.640 --> 1:25:54.880 them for that, you know, especially like in our hard 1:25:54.960 --> 1:25:58.800 economic times. Because when I was asked to do the 1:25:58.840 --> 1:26:02.680 press for for Prey, like to cover it, I was 1:26:02.720 --> 1:26:07.479 really worried about having that access because I didn't want 1:26:07.479 --> 1:26:11.840 to like, I'm blunt, I'm honest about what I think. 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:14.559 And I was like, oh no, I was like, I 1:26:14.600 --> 1:26:18.519 don't want to to kind of like burn down this 1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:21.400 bridge of communication between me and the studio and being 1:26:21.439 --> 1:26:25.880 able to potentially cover other movies and other productions. UM, 1:26:25.920 --> 1:26:28.080 But I also want to be honest and fair about 1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:30.840 what I think about this, And given that I was 1:26:30.880 --> 1:26:34.680 already hesitant about this movie anyway, like I was like 1:26:34.720 --> 1:26:36.360 trying to make sure like I was going to be 1:26:36.400 --> 1:26:40.000 able to be fair and to be still be honest, 1:26:40.280 --> 1:26:45.040 and thankfully it kind of worked out. But you know, 1:26:45.120 --> 1:26:47.799 like I also know that I'm not the only native 1:26:47.840 --> 1:26:51.640 with an opinion, and you know, there's it kind of 1:26:51.680 --> 1:26:53.720 a balance, and I think we've all learned to kind 1:26:53.760 --> 1:26:56.240 of tread that balance to to kind of be fair 1:26:56.320 --> 1:26:59.960 but tough um in our assessment of this of these 1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:04.439 media productions, because we understand what's at stake, and we 1:27:04.520 --> 1:27:07.040 also you know, kind of understand now that it has 1:27:07.080 --> 1:27:10.360 a larger impact outside of you know, our own Native 1:27:10.360 --> 1:27:14.160 publications that we realize, like, oh, studios are watching what 1:27:14.200 --> 1:27:17.360 we're saying. They're watching, you know, how we respond to 1:27:17.439 --> 1:27:21.160 these productions, and that they're using that as a basis 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:25.360 of how they decide who gets funded, who doesn't, who 1:27:25.400 --> 1:27:28.559 gets to be involved, and who doesn't. And you know, 1:27:28.640 --> 1:27:31.559 it's it's trying to be mindful of that too, because 1:27:32.080 --> 1:27:35.160 I mean, when I mean, I was just a Native 1:27:35.160 --> 1:27:37.240 in Oklahoma. I live here in l A now, but 1:27:37.320 --> 1:27:40.559 at the time, you know, I didn't have a large following, 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:43.800 I didn't have the platforms that I have now, and 1:27:43.840 --> 1:27:46.280 I thought it was really weird that they were using 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:50.599 that as an excuse, you know, to say, oh, well, 1:27:50.640 --> 1:27:54.040 you know, this kind of proves that Native productions are risky, 1:27:54.240 --> 1:27:57.400 Like we're going to face backlash for them, so to 1:27:57.560 --> 1:27:59.920 avoid it, we're just going to leave them out of 1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:04.160 it altogether. Which is another reason that they largely cast 1:28:04.400 --> 1:28:07.280 a lot of non natives in native roles, because non 1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:12.320 natives don't have the understanding to realize like that portrayal 1:28:12.439 --> 1:28:15.920 is wrong or that this is this is a stereotypical trope, 1:28:16.360 --> 1:28:20.120 and they have no other knowledge outside of their relationship 1:28:20.240 --> 1:28:23.840 or experience with those mascots and stereotypes to know any different. 1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:27.600 So they will cast non natives knowing that they're not 1:28:27.600 --> 1:28:30.160 going to have a problem or having to be held 1:28:30.160 --> 1:28:34.400 accountable about how those characters are being portrayed, whereas if 1:28:34.439 --> 1:28:36.719 it was a native character, you know, it's a little 1:28:36.720 --> 1:28:39.120 bit different. You know. Even Amber min Thunder has talked 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:41.960 quite a bit about that about how, you know, she's 1:28:42.080 --> 1:28:45.160 very fortunate to have kind of come into the industry 1:28:45.160 --> 1:28:47.120 when she did, when she has a little power to 1:28:47.160 --> 1:28:51.320 have some say over how the character is portrayed and 1:28:51.400 --> 1:28:54.880 how you know, they're telling these stories. It sounds like 1:28:54.920 --> 1:28:58.679 her parents did not have that luxury when they were 1:28:58.720 --> 1:29:02.760 were still are working in Hollywood. That is I thank 1:29:02.800 --> 1:29:07.400 you for sharing that experience. It I just like it's 1:29:07.439 --> 1:29:12.439 so frustrating, to frustrating, so indicative of like the very 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:16.720 toxic nature of Hollywood to to receive criticism and rather 1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:19.639 than like very valid criticism and rather than listen to 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:23.000 it and like course correct, they're like, well, we're just 1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:25.439 going to use this as an excuse to um not 1:29:25.960 --> 1:29:29.479 you know, make native projects or cast native actors. You know, 1:29:29.760 --> 1:29:32.280 And on top of that it's unfair to ask you 1:29:32.320 --> 1:29:35.800 to change how you do your job in order to 1:29:35.880 --> 1:29:40.320 appease Like it's just it's just bullshit top to bottom. Yeah, 1:29:40.360 --> 1:29:43.920 And you could easily say, like, well, I'm not going 1:29:43.960 --> 1:29:47.519 to because we have our own native film industry. But 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:51.479 also you know, like I don't want to, you know, 1:29:51.560 --> 1:29:54.760 like I don't think that any Native person, you know, 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:58.720 should be held to just being able to thrive in 1:29:58.800 --> 1:30:01.360 Indian country, like we to be able to thrive anywhere, 1:30:02.360 --> 1:30:04.519 you know, in whatever industry it is we want to 1:30:04.520 --> 1:30:07.520 work in, whether it's in the film industry in Hollywood 1:30:07.760 --> 1:30:10.600 or it's in tech or whatever it is. You know, 1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:14.560 we should have the opportunity to to explore those possibilities 1:30:14.600 --> 1:30:18.479 for ourselves and you know, and not be held back 1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:21.280 or have it be in spite of our nativeness. Because 1:30:21.360 --> 1:30:25.320 that's so much of our experience as indigenous people too, 1:30:25.479 --> 1:30:29.559 is that like our success is seen as being in 1:30:29.680 --> 1:30:33.679 spite of us being native, rather than you know, it's 1:30:33.760 --> 1:30:36.600 just a native person being successful. It always has to 1:30:36.640 --> 1:30:39.880 be in spite of us being native, Like because all 1:30:39.880 --> 1:30:42.120 of the issues that we face as indigenous people have 1:30:42.320 --> 1:30:47.559 become synonymous with our identities, which doesn't happen to anybody else, 1:30:47.640 --> 1:30:51.320 even though those same issues affect everybody else as well. 1:30:51.920 --> 1:30:55.120 But just because of the stereotypes and how prevalent they 1:30:55.120 --> 1:30:59.280 are and how little interaction you know, mainstream America has 1:30:59.400 --> 1:31:02.320 with Indian inn as communities. I mean, there are still 1:31:02.360 --> 1:31:05.320 people who think that we've been wiped out completely, or 1:31:05.360 --> 1:31:09.360 who think we all still live in tps. You know, 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:12.760 so because of that lack of interaction, like they just 1:31:12.880 --> 1:31:16.240 honestly don't know any better. And that makes it really 1:31:16.280 --> 1:31:19.760 hard to try and navigate those spaces too, because you know, 1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:22.280 there are some people who are just truly ignorant. But 1:31:22.360 --> 1:31:24.640 at the same time, you know, we also have to 1:31:24.680 --> 1:31:29.360 acknowledge that racism is institutionalized and normalized when it comes 1:31:29.400 --> 1:31:33.680 to Native people, that oftentimes it's not recognized until it's 1:31:33.720 --> 1:31:36.439 called out, and then when it's called out, you know, 1:31:36.479 --> 1:31:38.680 people go on the defense because that's the way it's 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:42.960 always been and and it's never been a problem before, 1:31:43.640 --> 1:31:47.360 you know. So you know, it's such a hard balance 1:31:47.439 --> 1:31:50.240 to try and navigate, you know, for for Native people 1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:56.160 just existing in this country. Oh infuriating, I'm I mean, 1:31:56.439 --> 1:32:01.479 I'm looking forward to Native directors getting some blank fucking 1:32:01.640 --> 1:32:04.439 checks to make their own movies. And because we we've 1:32:04.880 --> 1:32:08.040 had conversations like this in the past on the show 1:32:08.720 --> 1:32:13.280 where even when a marginalized filmmaker or writer is given 1:32:13.360 --> 1:32:16.960 an opportunity to make and make something, speaking to what 1:32:17.000 --> 1:32:20.559 you're just saying, Johnny, it's like, well, in order to 1:32:20.960 --> 1:32:23.600 make your project, you have to do it in a 1:32:23.680 --> 1:32:27.360 very particular way or like exploit your own trauma, or 1:32:27.400 --> 1:32:29.800 like we're only interested in work from you if it 1:32:29.920 --> 1:32:34.519 is about a very, very very specific topic. When it's 1:32:34.560 --> 1:32:38.000 like that, again, it's just like not an impediment that 1:32:38.760 --> 1:32:42.559 most white filmmakers ever encounter. Yeah, and you know, and 1:32:42.600 --> 1:32:45.439 I'm glad that Amber mid Thunder came from the family 1:32:45.479 --> 1:32:48.200 that she did too, because you know, I think they 1:32:48.240 --> 1:32:50.880 really prepared her for that and also made her a 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:54.560 little more audacious in the way that she was expected, 1:32:54.560 --> 1:32:57.320 like in the expectations that she had for how she 1:32:57.479 --> 1:33:01.720 was going to interact with Hollywood, because is Amber is 1:33:01.760 --> 1:33:05.880 one of the few native actresses that has been able 1:33:05.920 --> 1:33:10.680 to cross over um into more mainstream Hollywood with like Roswell. 1:33:10.800 --> 1:33:13.320 I mean, she's she has so many credits to her name, 1:33:13.960 --> 1:33:16.559 and it's kind of amazing to see because she's not 1:33:16.680 --> 1:33:21.519 necessarily native in those productions. You know, she doesn't. It's 1:33:21.600 --> 1:33:25.280 she's hasn't really been pigeonholed as just a Native actress. 1:33:25.479 --> 1:33:28.400 And you know it, it's kind of like it's it's 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:30.759 kind of funny too, because I was just thinking about 1:33:31.040 --> 1:33:34.720 the name of your podcast because in Indian Country, and 1:33:34.760 --> 1:33:36.599 I know, I'm good, probably going to butcher this name 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:39.320 of this, but we have the Um it's either the 1:33:39.400 --> 1:33:43.000 Ala Test or the Okay, So we will talk about 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:46.240 this when we Yeah, so it's been renamed to the 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:49.639 Test and we will. Ali's been on the show many times, 1:33:49.640 --> 1:33:53.120 the friend of the cast. Yeah, so since it's come up, 1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:57.800 the criteria to pass the Ali Naughty Test are that 1:33:58.680 --> 1:34:02.880 the character is an Indigenous or Aboriginal woman who is 1:34:02.920 --> 1:34:06.160 a main character, who does not fall in love with 1:34:06.280 --> 1:34:08.800 a white man, and who does not end up raped 1:34:08.880 --> 1:34:12.400 or murdered at any point in the story. Obviously, Pray 1:34:12.560 --> 1:34:17.320 passes the test very handily. So shout out to Ali Naughty, 1:34:17.400 --> 1:34:21.240 the Ali Naughty Test, and um, yeah, something that just 1:34:21.320 --> 1:34:26.360 like helps spark conversation about Indigenous representation in media. Yeah, 1:34:26.400 --> 1:34:28.800 And it's incredible because you know, and I bring that 1:34:28.880 --> 1:34:32.120 up because Amber mid Thunder is one of the very 1:34:32.160 --> 1:34:36.280 few actresses that has pretty much been able to pass 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:41.639 then in almost every production. And I think that kind 1:34:41.640 --> 1:34:45.000 of goes to speak to you know how. You know, 1:34:45.080 --> 1:34:47.760 her family came from this industry, so they were able 1:34:47.800 --> 1:34:50.519 to prepare her and she was able to have make 1:34:50.600 --> 1:34:53.280 sure that her own voice was heard, that she wasn't 1:34:53.360 --> 1:34:56.160 just um, that she understood she had power in this 1:34:56.240 --> 1:34:59.880 industry and she used it. So you know, it's really 1:35:00.040 --> 1:35:03.120 rare that we have Native actresses who have that opportunity, 1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:06.599 and it's incredible that, you know, Amber mid Thunder has 1:35:06.600 --> 1:35:09.120 the career that she has, and you know, especially in 1:35:09.120 --> 1:35:11.240 this role, you know, she was so worried about getting 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:15.800 it right. Now. You know, Native girls have a badass 1:35:16.360 --> 1:35:19.400 Native warrior to look up to, you know, and that's 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:22.200 incredible because you know, again, you know, while there were 1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:26.679 like scenes of violence against her um for misogynistic reasons, 1:35:26.800 --> 1:35:30.360 you know it, she didn't end up murdered, she didn't 1:35:30.400 --> 1:35:36.800 end up rate and that was an incredible feat for Hollywood. 1:35:37.040 --> 1:35:41.919 Load the bar is oh my god, yeah, and it's 1:35:41.960 --> 1:35:44.680 it's really hard to um. So I don't know if 1:35:44.680 --> 1:35:47.840 you guys have seen the recent episode of reservation dogs 1:35:47.960 --> 1:35:50.560 or if you're caught up on the series, but I'm not. 1:35:51.600 --> 1:35:53.560 A lot of it is about, like the show is 1:35:53.640 --> 1:35:57.360 kind of centered around, you know, how suicide and Indian 1:35:57.920 --> 1:36:01.240 effects Indian country. You know, like the first season revolves 1:36:01.280 --> 1:36:04.559 around four friends who are dealing with the suicide of 1:36:04.600 --> 1:36:08.080 one of their closest friends, and the second season kind 1:36:08.080 --> 1:36:12.639 of explores the generational trauma that kind of goes into 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:15.360 that as well. And in this last episode, we saw 1:36:16.040 --> 1:36:19.800 Big who is the cop who has a lot of 1:36:19.840 --> 1:36:23.479 guilt because he thinks that he killed one of his friends, 1:36:24.000 --> 1:36:26.280 that he wasn't able to save her, and he carries 1:36:26.320 --> 1:36:29.000 a lot of guilt about that, and it kind of 1:36:29.080 --> 1:36:33.200 carries over how you know for this generation, Like for 1:36:33.240 --> 1:36:35.880 these kids, you know, the trauma that they're dealing with 1:36:36.080 --> 1:36:39.240 is the suicide of you know, their their best friend, 1:36:39.439 --> 1:36:42.960 their cousin, their brother. But you know, the adults in 1:36:42.960 --> 1:36:46.400 their lives, their parents, Um and the people in the community. 1:36:47.000 --> 1:36:49.400 You know, that trauma came from the death of this 1:36:49.560 --> 1:36:54.599 character Cookie, who is Um who plays DeVries Monk's character, 1:36:54.640 --> 1:36:56.880 I guess, but this was the first time that they 1:36:56.920 --> 1:37:00.519 showed that character in this episode, and it was such 1:37:00.520 --> 1:37:05.200 a beautiful UM, beautiful episode. It was so beautifully done 1:37:05.840 --> 1:37:08.320 and it was funny. I was really scared it was 1:37:08.360 --> 1:37:10.040 going to be one of those tear drekers again, and 1:37:10.040 --> 1:37:12.040 I was like, my emotions, can I handle this? But 1:37:12.120 --> 1:37:14.920 it was really funny and it was really heartfelt and 1:37:14.960 --> 1:37:18.360 it was emotional. But you know, the the actors who 1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:23.600 they cast to play Cookie Jenney ms so incredible in 1:37:23.680 --> 1:37:26.519 this UM and but you know, we want We went 1:37:26.560 --> 1:37:29.559 to a watch party UM to watch this episode with her, 1:37:29.760 --> 1:37:33.480 and you know, afterwards we were having the same conversation 1:37:33.680 --> 1:37:36.680 about you know, she's a Native actress and she was like, 1:37:36.760 --> 1:37:41.439 you know, it's I'm I'm typecast as the dead Native girl. 1:37:41.960 --> 1:37:44.960 And she's like, no, no shade too like reservation dogs 1:37:45.040 --> 1:37:47.439 or anything. She goes. But that's just the reality she goes. 1:37:47.479 --> 1:37:50.719 Whenever I go out for a part or audition, it's 1:37:50.720 --> 1:37:54.880 always for the dead Native girl. Um, she goes. It's 1:37:54.960 --> 1:37:58.960 just how they typecast her. She's like, you know, and 1:37:59.000 --> 1:38:02.439 she's she's actually going to be in UM Flowers Are 1:38:02.439 --> 1:38:05.320 the Killer Moon, so you know she's going to be 1:38:05.360 --> 1:38:07.400 one of the sisters in that, and you know it's 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:09.280 a big role for her. And again you know, it's 1:38:09.320 --> 1:38:12.080 like she was saying, typecast as the dead Native girl, 1:38:12.160 --> 1:38:14.720 like I don't get to live in the comes that 1:38:14.760 --> 1:38:18.760 I'm in. Um. But you know, she's such an incredible actress. 1:38:19.080 --> 1:38:21.840 But you know, like these conversations like I feel like 1:38:22.000 --> 1:38:25.040 need to be had about the opportunities that are given 1:38:25.040 --> 1:38:28.479 to Native women because in almost any show that we 1:38:28.760 --> 1:38:32.000 where it is about Native women, that woman is always 1:38:32.000 --> 1:38:34.400 going to be right, She's always going to be murdered. Um. 1:38:34.400 --> 1:38:37.160 There's always going to be an incredible amount of violence 1:38:37.720 --> 1:38:41.600 enacted against her. And it's such a shame because you 1:38:41.640 --> 1:38:44.960 know that shouldn't be normalized, and it always is like 1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:49.320 it's and it's never shown as in a way where 1:38:49.439 --> 1:38:54.000 it's like raising awareness. It's always exploitative. Even Wind River, 1:38:54.160 --> 1:38:56.599 a lot of people, you know, really use that show 1:38:56.680 --> 1:38:58.720 and they're like, it's the first show to really talk 1:38:58.760 --> 1:39:01.800 about the murder to missing an Diigenous women. And I'm like, 1:39:02.000 --> 1:39:05.479 but it's so exploitative and it kind of centers on 1:39:05.520 --> 1:39:09.240 that white saviorship and it doesn't talk about how that 1:39:09.320 --> 1:39:13.280 violence is wrong or you know that it needs to change. 1:39:13.280 --> 1:39:17.479 It just kind of plays into why it keeps happening. Yeah, 1:39:17.560 --> 1:39:20.439 And so there's a lot of hard conversations that still 1:39:20.439 --> 1:39:23.880 need to be had. But you know, thankfully we have 1:39:24.080 --> 1:39:28.240 actresses like Amberment Thunder. There's also Crystal Lightning, who you know, 1:39:28.520 --> 1:39:32.120 has won awards for her role in Trickster, which was 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:37.000 an incredible series as well. Um, but the opportunities that 1:39:37.000 --> 1:39:40.559 they're given to be just anything more than you know, 1:39:40.600 --> 1:39:44.559 these stereotypical tropes. You know that, oh, the other trope 1:39:44.600 --> 1:39:50.759 is also the drunk woman or the drunk Indian woman, 1:39:51.160 --> 1:39:53.439 um and the dead Native woman. Like those are the 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:57.720 two roles that Native women get in Hollywood usually, and 1:39:57.760 --> 1:40:02.080 it's such a shame because Native women are so strong, 1:40:02.479 --> 1:40:05.639 they're so fierce. Um. Even now, when you look at 1:40:05.640 --> 1:40:08.719 the different issues that affect in a country, it's always 1:40:08.800 --> 1:40:12.120 Native women right there on the front lines before anybody else. 1:40:12.840 --> 1:40:15.799 And you know, for us to just constantly be shown 1:40:15.880 --> 1:40:20.040 in this state of victimhood, you know, is just unacceptable 1:40:20.040 --> 1:40:24.439 in this day and age. And I do feel, yeah, 1:40:24.520 --> 1:40:27.920 like I'm so thrilled that ever mid Thunder is so 1:40:28.000 --> 1:40:31.720 successful and has you know, the institutional knowledge passed on 1:40:31.840 --> 1:40:35.160 from her parents. And also it's like the fact that 1:40:35.200 --> 1:40:37.679 she is such a large seems like such a large 1:40:37.680 --> 1:40:41.360 exception to this is like so discouraging. I really, I 1:40:41.400 --> 1:40:46.680 really loved that she seems determined to continue pushing the 1:40:46.760 --> 1:40:49.479 industry and using the power and knowledge she does have. 1:40:50.040 --> 1:40:53.760 And also, like speaking to what we were discussing a 1:40:53.800 --> 1:40:57.680 little earlier, the enormous pressure that that puts on her, 1:40:57.880 --> 1:41:01.599 that is like not a fair press to put on anyone, 1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:06.479 much as a young person. Yeah, and it's I mean 1:41:06.560 --> 1:41:10.479 it's incredible because I mean, with Prey, she could easily 1:41:10.560 --> 1:41:13.240 just wrote this success out and not addressed any of 1:41:13.280 --> 1:41:16.640 these issues and just been like it was a great experience, 1:41:16.680 --> 1:41:19.800 it was good. You know, everything's awesome. You know, I'm 1:41:19.840 --> 1:41:21.759 so happy to be here. But the fact that she's 1:41:21.800 --> 1:41:26.320 taken the risk to acknowledge how hard it is to 1:41:26.360 --> 1:41:28.720 be in the industry and the realities of being in 1:41:28.760 --> 1:41:32.320 the industry, you know, makes her incredible in my eyes, 1:41:32.400 --> 1:41:35.720 even more so because she is young and she is 1:41:35.840 --> 1:41:37.960 using her platform. You know. It kind of reminds me 1:41:38.040 --> 1:41:42.040 of when Ashley calling bull one Mrs World, you know, 1:41:42.120 --> 1:41:44.559 and she told them, what did you think when she 1:41:44.600 --> 1:41:47.599 started getting backlash about speaking about native issues? He's like, 1:41:47.920 --> 1:41:49.439 did you think I was just going to take this 1:41:49.520 --> 1:41:52.080 crown and stand here and be pretty. She's like, no, 1:41:52.240 --> 1:41:56.200 I'm gonna use this platform for the betterment of my people. 1:41:56.520 --> 1:41:58.720 And you know, and I feel like that's kind of 1:41:58.760 --> 1:42:01.600 like the role that so many you know, Native entertainers 1:42:01.640 --> 1:42:04.679 and Native talent they kind of get cast into that, 1:42:05.200 --> 1:42:07.599 and I'm really looking forward to the day when they 1:42:07.640 --> 1:42:09.800 get to just be actors, when they get to just 1:42:09.880 --> 1:42:15.919 be writers and not have to be advocates as well. Yeah, um, 1:42:16.000 --> 1:42:18.479 is there anything else that we'd like to touch on 1:42:18.520 --> 1:42:22.680 about about the movie, about behind the scenes about I 1:42:22.720 --> 1:42:26.800 have one really quick thing, which is that on IMDb, 1:42:27.800 --> 1:42:32.240 the French trappers, who are the only white characters you 1:42:32.280 --> 1:42:35.599 see on screen, are credited like their character's names are 1:42:35.680 --> 1:42:42.320 things like big Beard and waxed mustache, the way that 1:42:42.760 --> 1:42:47.080 indigenous people in movies have been credited as things like 1:42:47.600 --> 1:42:52.760 Indian right, Indian man. You know. So just that like 1:42:52.800 --> 1:42:56.880 the white people are big beard and waxed Mustache. I 1:42:57.000 --> 1:42:59.680 enjoyed that very much. That, Yeah, And it kind of 1:42:59.720 --> 1:43:02.599 goes back to showing just how intentional they were with 1:43:02.640 --> 1:43:06.240 this film. The fact that even in the movie, the 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:10.559 French traders were never translated. We have no idea unless 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:14.120 she speaks what they were saying, that yeah, there's no 1:43:14.200 --> 1:43:16.760 subtitles for it because it's just like, well, who gives 1:43:16.760 --> 1:43:18.720 it you? And that yeah, that does feel reflective of 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:22.559 how Native people have been portrayed in the past, like 1:43:22.760 --> 1:43:26.280 it's yeah, and further demonstrates that the movie is told 1:43:26.320 --> 1:43:30.520 from an indigenous perspective because she doesn't know French exactly. 1:43:31.439 --> 1:43:34.200 And there's a scene and I didn't know this until 1:43:34.240 --> 1:43:37.040 I watched the Comanche dub of this, but there's a 1:43:37.080 --> 1:43:41.880 scene um in the English version where so obviously, like 1:43:41.880 --> 1:43:45.200 when you're when you're watching the English version, when you're 1:43:45.240 --> 1:43:47.960 watching the Commanche people speak to each other, you assume 1:43:48.040 --> 1:43:51.599 that they are actually speaking in Comanche, even though we 1:43:52.120 --> 1:43:54.400 are seeing them speak in English. But there's a scene 1:43:54.439 --> 1:43:57.880 where the French guy is speaking to Naru in English, 1:43:58.240 --> 1:44:01.719 and my brain understood it as, oh, she knows English 1:44:01.840 --> 1:44:04.839 and the French guy is speaking to her in English. 1:44:04.920 --> 1:44:07.759 But then when you watch the Commanche version, the French 1:44:07.760 --> 1:44:10.680 guy knows Comanche and is speaking to her in Commanche. 1:44:10.760 --> 1:44:13.559 You never you never hear her speak English in the 1:44:13.600 --> 1:44:17.680 Commanche version. That that scene is a little weird. In 1:44:17.720 --> 1:44:22.639 the English, it makes more sense of the Comanche dubbed totally. Yeah. 1:44:23.080 --> 1:44:28.240 It's so funny too that you mentioned that, because because 1:44:28.320 --> 1:44:31.880 I was cracking up because of all the ridiculous, you know, 1:44:31.960 --> 1:44:36.000 like foe boy reactions that came from this movie that 1:44:36.600 --> 1:44:39.519 you know, like Amber had recently addressed him as well. 1:44:39.960 --> 1:44:41.960 But one of the things that I found so funny 1:44:42.160 --> 1:44:44.680 was that part of the criticism from people was like 1:44:45.240 --> 1:44:49.960 they speak English so well. They were like, you know, 1:44:50.160 --> 1:44:52.240 I really loved the film, but it was just so 1:44:52.320 --> 1:44:56.040 weird that the that the natives spoke English. And it's like, 1:44:56.040 --> 1:44:59.400 wait a second, you're surprised that in a movie in 1:44:59.479 --> 1:45:03.840 americ where a large part of the population speaks English 1:45:04.080 --> 1:45:08.840 and only English and only English, that the natives speak English. 1:45:08.960 --> 1:45:11.479 And I was like, how many other movies have they 1:45:11.520 --> 1:45:14.680 like there been like where the characters are you know, 1:45:14.760 --> 1:45:17.360 it's it's just supposed to be like inferred that they're 1:45:17.360 --> 1:45:20.000 speaking another language, but we're hearing get in English that 1:45:20.080 --> 1:45:22.720 nobody has had a problem with, but suddenly it's a 1:45:22.760 --> 1:45:26.400 problem because it's natives. I was like, so you're telling 1:45:26.439 --> 1:45:29.599 me that you think that the Hobbits were speaking English? 1:45:30.240 --> 1:45:34.879 You know, it's like what they never ceased to amaze 1:45:35.680 --> 1:45:39.320 with the reaching they are willing to do do not 1:45:39.560 --> 1:45:43.840 like something, it's just oh my yeah, Like it was 1:45:44.439 --> 1:45:47.720 so funny to me because I was like, of all 1:45:47.800 --> 1:45:51.320 the things to criticize, like that is the weirdest thing 1:45:51.400 --> 1:45:54.439 that I've heard, is like, you're so surprised that native 1:45:54.439 --> 1:45:58.640 people can speak English in America, that a film in 1:45:58.680 --> 1:46:06.720 America for American critics is an English Like what? Um. 1:46:06.840 --> 1:46:08.920 The last thing I wanted to touch on was I 1:46:09.000 --> 1:46:12.240 just this is like a little story touch that I'm like, wow, 1:46:12.240 --> 1:46:15.000 we are we are trained to expect so little from 1:46:15.080 --> 1:46:18.240 how women are written in movies. I just liked that 1:46:18.360 --> 1:46:21.519 Naro was good at a lot of different things, Like 1:46:21.640 --> 1:46:23.839 I don't know that I'd ever heard it like framed 1:46:23.880 --> 1:46:26.040 like this in a movie of just like why is 1:46:26.080 --> 1:46:28.000 this the thing you want to do? You're good at 1:46:28.000 --> 1:46:30.320 a lot of things, which is like true of so 1:46:30.360 --> 1:46:33.400 many kids. But I feel like it's like whatever protagonist 1:46:33.439 --> 1:46:36.760 writing trope to be like they're really good at this 1:46:36.880 --> 1:46:40.240 one thing and this one thing is all they can 1:46:40.280 --> 1:46:43.720 do because blah blah destiny. And I just like that 1:46:43.760 --> 1:46:47.040 she had a lot of different skills. She used a 1:46:47.040 --> 1:46:50.160 lot of different skills throughout the movie, like she used 1:46:50.160 --> 1:46:53.400 her knowledge of medicine at several different points. It became 1:46:53.439 --> 1:46:56.400 relevant several times her mom was like, well, why don't 1:46:56.439 --> 1:46:58.280 you want to do this? You're good at this, and she's, 1:46:58.320 --> 1:47:00.680 you know, she's just like, well, yeah, I'm I know 1:47:00.680 --> 1:47:03.599 how to do the thing I want to do, and 1:47:03.720 --> 1:47:06.960 I just simple thing. But I liked I did too. 1:47:07.120 --> 1:47:10.240 I really love that because it kind of showed um 1:47:10.520 --> 1:47:15.160 versatility and also just that, you know, like any human being, 1:47:15.479 --> 1:47:19.800 like we're not just one thing, Like we're a multitude 1:47:19.840 --> 1:47:22.840 of things, Like we wear many different hats. Like I 1:47:22.880 --> 1:47:26.960 don't know a single person who is just a doctor 1:47:27.280 --> 1:47:30.400 or just a lawyer or just a writer, like you're 1:47:30.439 --> 1:47:33.600 like even me, Like, and I know I get this 1:47:33.680 --> 1:47:37.400 from my mom because you know, my mom, she was 1:47:37.600 --> 1:47:40.880 a teacher, she was a firefighter. At one point, she 1:47:40.960 --> 1:47:44.520 was a security guard. You know, she did this whole 1:47:44.560 --> 1:47:48.680 wide variety of different jobs, you know, because and I 1:47:48.680 --> 1:47:50.760 think a lot of that was because she had me young, 1:47:51.320 --> 1:47:53.800 and she also had a lot of experiences when she 1:47:53.880 --> 1:47:56.880 was younger that kind of limited what she could do. 1:47:57.520 --> 1:47:59.840 So I think once she got older and once it's 1:48:00.040 --> 1:48:02.960 kids got old enough to kind of you know, live 1:48:03.040 --> 1:48:07.200 without her needing to be the um. She started exploring 1:48:07.439 --> 1:48:09.400 like what it is she wanted to do and what 1:48:09.520 --> 1:48:12.280 her talents were. I mean, she was an incredible artist. 1:48:12.800 --> 1:48:15.640 She could sing um. There are so many things that 1:48:15.680 --> 1:48:17.559 she did and I look back at and I'm like, 1:48:17.840 --> 1:48:19.720 you know, even without even knowing it, you know, I 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:23.479 kind of followed my mom's footprints, like her lead, because 1:48:23.520 --> 1:48:26.680 you know, I've done corporate management. I was a fitness instructor, 1:48:26.800 --> 1:48:31.559 which is so hilarious to me it now, but you know, 1:48:31.720 --> 1:48:34.640 I I've had all these different jobs. You know, I'm 1:48:34.680 --> 1:48:37.880 a writer, and then now you know, recently, I'm an 1:48:38.000 --> 1:48:42.320 artist and and not just an artist, but like an 1:48:42.320 --> 1:48:46.720 award winning artist now. Um. And and it's something that 1:48:47.040 --> 1:48:50.320 I never really thought of, you know that. You know, 1:48:50.400 --> 1:48:52.200 like I used to draw, I used to do it all, 1:48:52.200 --> 1:48:54.559 but I never really saw it as anything I could do, 1:48:54.680 --> 1:48:57.360 like professionally or anything like that. But it kind of 1:48:57.400 --> 1:49:01.680 followed Naru's too, because you know, her skills were necessary 1:49:01.720 --> 1:49:05.840 for her survival, which is basically the same as my 1:49:06.120 --> 1:49:10.760 professional trajectory because I have lupus, and so you know, 1:49:10.880 --> 1:49:13.280 in every job that I've had, I've had to leave 1:49:13.360 --> 1:49:16.920 for health reasons and so like, I have to be adaptable. 1:49:17.040 --> 1:49:19.920 And you know, even now with art, I've been a 1:49:19.960 --> 1:49:23.240 graphic designer and digital artists since I was in my twenties, 1:49:23.760 --> 1:49:26.200 but um, I have like three of my fingers that 1:49:26.240 --> 1:49:29.639 are starting to kind of twist, and so I don't 1:49:29.880 --> 1:49:32.720 have the mobility that I used to have, and so 1:49:32.840 --> 1:49:35.320 like I started looking at, Okay, well, what can I 1:49:35.360 --> 1:49:38.880 do creatively that I can still do creatively, and so 1:49:39.120 --> 1:49:43.280 you know, I discovered poor art, fluid art, and it's 1:49:43.320 --> 1:49:45.040 kind of worked well for me, and I was like, oh, 1:49:45.160 --> 1:49:47.240 you know what, I am an artist, Like I'm not 1:49:47.320 --> 1:49:50.800 just a graphic designer or a digital artists, which I 1:49:50.840 --> 1:49:53.360 never saw as being an artist because I did it 1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:55.680 for money, Like I did it feel like it was 1:49:55.760 --> 1:49:57.759 me And I always felt like I was just bringing 1:49:57.800 --> 1:50:01.040 other people's creations to life, so I didn't feel like 1:50:01.120 --> 1:50:04.560 it was my artistry at all. So you know, it 1:50:04.960 --> 1:50:07.720 was kind of fun for me to watch Naru and 1:50:07.800 --> 1:50:09.880 for her to have all these different skills and to 1:50:09.920 --> 1:50:12.920 be able to use them, because it speaks to how 1:50:13.120 --> 1:50:16.920 Native people kind of had to survive colonization as well, 1:50:17.000 --> 1:50:19.439 and how we continue to survive in this society, like 1:50:19.479 --> 1:50:22.479 we have to be adaptable, and we don't always have 1:50:22.520 --> 1:50:24.559 all the resources we need, but we have to be 1:50:24.600 --> 1:50:27.120 able to use what we have. And you know, and 1:50:27.160 --> 1:50:31.519 I've been able to somehow still keep myself alive, you know, 1:50:31.640 --> 1:50:35.040 by by being adaptable, by being able to go from 1:50:35.040 --> 1:50:38.960 like corporate management to doing a fitness tech too, you know, 1:50:39.040 --> 1:50:41.800 becoming an artist in order to survive. And it was 1:50:41.880 --> 1:50:45.400 so fun for me to see Naru have those that 1:50:45.560 --> 1:50:49.240 same adaptability and for them to show it in the 1:50:49.280 --> 1:50:52.759 way that they did. To quote your own piece back 1:50:52.800 --> 1:50:58.080 at you, you say that this that this movie quote 1:50:58.280 --> 1:51:02.880 is a rare tribute to the ingenuity, strength, and sheer 1:51:02.920 --> 1:51:06.040 stubbornness that has allowed Native people to survive the forces 1:51:06.120 --> 1:51:11.719 that threaten our survival unquote. Yeah, and it's so true. 1:51:11.840 --> 1:51:14.559 Like when I watched the movie, you know, like I said, 1:51:14.560 --> 1:51:17.120 I was blown away. Um, But there was such an 1:51:17.160 --> 1:51:21.599 emotional connection with every aspect of the movie because of that, 1:51:22.080 --> 1:51:24.719 you know, you get to see like just the people 1:51:24.760 --> 1:51:26.639 in the village as well, you know, what they were 1:51:26.640 --> 1:51:29.600 doing day to day to survive and to thrive in 1:51:29.640 --> 1:51:33.040 their environment. Um. And it wasn't an easy environment, as 1:51:33.040 --> 1:51:35.240 we saw with Naru, like there were mountain lions. They 1:51:35.240 --> 1:51:37.599 had a kid being taken out of their village by 1:51:37.600 --> 1:51:40.960 a mountain lion, like that was their day to day reality. 1:51:41.000 --> 1:51:43.640 There were bears, there were all these and that was 1:51:43.680 --> 1:51:45.880 the cool thing too, was to kind of how they 1:51:45.880 --> 1:51:49.800 showed that there were so many threats around Native people 1:51:49.840 --> 1:51:53.240 at the time, like it wasn't just the predator. And 1:51:53.479 --> 1:51:56.160 even the ending of the film when she defeated the 1:51:56.240 --> 1:51:58.240 predator and she went back to the village and she 1:51:58.280 --> 1:52:00.960 gave him their head, but then she threw the gun 1:52:01.080 --> 1:52:03.479 and she told him we need to move to higher ground. 1:52:04.240 --> 1:52:07.600 The fact that the predator wasn't the biggest threat, and 1:52:07.720 --> 1:52:11.439 Naru knew that, you know, like she knew I'm going, like, 1:52:11.479 --> 1:52:14.000 we're going to defeat this threat, but this other one, 1:52:14.240 --> 1:52:17.080 I don't know if we can because of the nature 1:52:17.160 --> 1:52:21.200 of that threat. And it was so beautiful to see 1:52:21.240 --> 1:52:23.840 that and to kind of show that, you know, she 1:52:24.040 --> 1:52:27.519 just had this all out brawl. She they lost all 1:52:27.520 --> 1:52:29.839 the warrior you know, like their young warriors in the village. 1:52:29.880 --> 1:52:33.599 She lost her brother, but yet the battle wasn't over, 1:52:33.760 --> 1:52:36.479 like they were still facing a threat that they had 1:52:36.520 --> 1:52:41.080 to address. And I thought That was the most incredible thing. 1:52:41.439 --> 1:52:45.519 Even when Teobi died and they flashed to the warrior 1:52:45.600 --> 1:52:48.960 bringing his like his I guess it was his rows 1:52:48.960 --> 1:52:53.120 sheet back to the village and his mom saw it, 1:52:53.200 --> 1:52:55.720 and she just knew that her son was gone, and 1:52:55.760 --> 1:52:58.120 she you know, she thought she lost Naru too, and 1:52:58.160 --> 1:53:01.080 knowing that her kids were gone, you know, you could 1:53:01.120 --> 1:53:04.720 see that grief on her face, but she didn't have 1:53:04.880 --> 1:53:07.920 the opportunity to to really just feel it. Like she 1:53:08.040 --> 1:53:10.760 turned around and she went back to doing what she 1:53:10.840 --> 1:53:13.720 was doing because it's what needed to happen for the 1:53:13.760 --> 1:53:19.280 betterment of the community. And so I really was just 1:53:19.640 --> 1:53:23.600 struck with how they were showing all these like communal relationships, 1:53:23.640 --> 1:53:28.240 that kinship and also you know just how Native people 1:53:28.320 --> 1:53:30.960 had to be adaptable and how to have they had 1:53:31.000 --> 1:53:34.799 to use the resources around them. And when it flashed 1:53:34.800 --> 1:53:37.639 back to Naru, you know, she's on that river bank 1:53:37.680 --> 1:53:40.000 and you know, she just lost her brother and she's like, 1:53:40.520 --> 1:53:42.439 you know, thinking like, oh, I can't do this, but 1:53:42.479 --> 1:53:46.760 then she sees the the big trader guy at the 1:53:46.840 --> 1:53:51.080 river and she's like, OK, it's on a big beer 1:53:51.200 --> 1:53:55.519 because she's like, that's it, it's on. That was such 1:53:55.520 --> 1:53:58.840 a good action secause and so cathartic and just like 1:53:59.400 --> 1:54:02.880 they're so like in a in a relatively like um 1:54:03.680 --> 1:54:06.080 I don't mean simple and a reductive way, but it's 1:54:06.120 --> 1:54:09.840 like a very pair down story. But it's just like 1:54:10.080 --> 1:54:12.760 there are those huge moments of impact and a lot 1:54:12.880 --> 1:54:15.920 of the like what you just described with just like 1:54:15.960 --> 1:54:20.280 a single shot of um Nauru's mom communicated so much 1:54:20.320 --> 1:54:23.280 about the character, about the family, about the community, about 1:54:23.280 --> 1:54:26.559 the time, and it's just like this small moment, Like 1:54:26.600 --> 1:54:29.280 this movie is full of moments like that. Yeah. I 1:54:29.320 --> 1:54:32.080 mean the part that really had me in tears though, 1:54:32.720 --> 1:54:36.760 was when team died because it's not a big scene. 1:54:37.040 --> 1:54:39.280 It didn't lead up to it like where it came, 1:54:39.400 --> 1:54:42.080 you know, like was an action pack scene. You know, 1:54:42.240 --> 1:54:45.680 he knew he could, he heard the predator step and 1:54:45.720 --> 1:54:48.680 he knew that, okay, I'm not getting out of this, 1:54:48.880 --> 1:54:51.720 and he took what time he had left instead of 1:54:51.720 --> 1:54:55.800 trying to run or save himself, you know, he took 1:54:55.840 --> 1:54:58.760 that time. He accepted it, and he told Naru, he 1:54:58.920 --> 1:55:01.240 was like, this is this is as far as I go. 1:55:02.280 --> 1:55:04.360 You know, you have to bring this home now, like 1:55:04.440 --> 1:55:07.280 and and then she says it later and you're like, 1:55:08.760 --> 1:55:12.240 I know. I was like why because it was such 1:55:12.280 --> 1:55:15.560 a beautiful moment for him to say that, because you know, 1:55:15.600 --> 1:55:19.280 throughout the film he'd been so supportive of her Katamiya, 1:55:19.400 --> 1:55:23.320 and even when she didn't succeed, you know, he was 1:55:23.360 --> 1:55:25.520 still in telling her like, oh, you know, he's like, 1:55:25.960 --> 1:55:28.200 you can still bring it home, like you know, like 1:55:28.280 --> 1:55:31.400 you we still have to like even if we don't succeed, 1:55:31.440 --> 1:55:33.880 like we still have to keep going because we do 1:55:34.000 --> 1:55:37.480 have to protect our community, like it's larger than just 1:55:37.760 --> 1:55:41.000 him or her, like it's about the community. And for 1:55:41.080 --> 1:55:44.680 him to take that time, and for also for Naru 1:55:44.840 --> 1:55:47.640 to understand in that moment too, like it's no longer 1:55:47.720 --> 1:55:52.640 just about her and her Katamiya, but the protection of 1:55:52.680 --> 1:55:56.240 her entire village now, like it's on her because there's 1:55:56.280 --> 1:55:58.880 no one left, you know, And for her brother to 1:55:58.960 --> 1:56:01.120 tell her like it's on you to bring it home 1:56:01.280 --> 1:56:05.960 and to basically reassure her like you got this before 1:56:06.040 --> 1:56:09.120 he died, And for him to even take his last 1:56:09.160 --> 1:56:11.560 moments to make sure that she could get away because 1:56:11.560 --> 1:56:14.280 she was so stunned, you know, I was just like, 1:56:14.360 --> 1:56:18.200 oh my gosh, how they packed so much emotion in 1:56:18.320 --> 1:56:21.160 that scene as quick as it was. I was like 1:56:21.280 --> 1:56:26.520 in Tears, the sibling the sibling bond in this movie 1:56:26.600 --> 1:56:32.280 as just like absolutely incredible. I really loved it very well. Yeah, 1:56:32.480 --> 1:56:34.600 like and even the ending, you know, like I teared 1:56:34.720 --> 1:56:37.920 up at the ending is too you know. And and 1:56:37.920 --> 1:56:41.360 and it was for the most funniest reason, and it's 1:56:41.360 --> 1:56:44.440 actually been kind of memed um. But the little girl, 1:56:44.640 --> 1:56:47.040 like when she comes back to the village and you know, 1:56:47.120 --> 1:56:49.120 they name her the next war chief and there's that 1:56:49.160 --> 1:56:51.320 little girl who's just looking at her with such awe 1:56:51.360 --> 1:56:54.720 on her bid Like I was tearing up, and I 1:56:54.760 --> 1:56:58.720 was like, but it hit me so emotionally because you know, 1:56:58.840 --> 1:57:02.200 even for me, like growing up, I didn't have the 1:57:02.320 --> 1:57:06.720 role models that I needed because when I was younger, 1:57:06.800 --> 1:57:09.120 like I wanted to be like an epidemiologist. This is 1:57:09.120 --> 1:57:11.960 what Outbreak came out, and I wanted to be in 1:57:12.040 --> 1:57:16.000 the thick of ebola. You know, I went in all 1:57:16.040 --> 1:57:19.680 these infectious diseases and stuff. But um, people would tell 1:57:19.720 --> 1:57:23.160 me like why, like no native is doing this, no 1:57:23.240 --> 1:57:26.000 native is there, and you know, and that's what I 1:57:26.040 --> 1:57:29.680 saw around me, was there was no native scientists or like, 1:57:29.680 --> 1:57:31.600 because of course we don't have the internet, like we 1:57:31.680 --> 1:57:36.840 do now. So I didn't have that representation around me. Yeah, 1:57:36.920 --> 1:57:40.360 that's why it's so important to have opportunities to see 1:57:40.400 --> 1:57:45.880 yourself represented in media and represented in all industries, you know, 1:57:45.960 --> 1:57:52.440 not just entertainment. Um. Was there anything else that anyone 1:57:52.560 --> 1:57:55.640 wanted to talk about? Um? I think that was it 1:57:55.720 --> 1:57:58.480 for me. Yeah, I think that was it. Although we 1:57:58.520 --> 1:58:02.720 should add the disclaimer that recently it's been um talked 1:58:02.760 --> 1:58:07.680 about that Dakota Beavers may or may not have Native heritage. UM. 1:58:07.760 --> 1:58:10.400 And it's a little bit more complicated because even if 1:58:10.440 --> 1:58:13.840 he's not Native, you know, he's still an Indigenous person 1:58:13.960 --> 1:58:17.800 within the larger indigenous diaspora. So you know, it is 1:58:17.840 --> 1:58:23.080 complicated and it's something that is still being investigated. UM. 1:58:23.120 --> 1:58:26.240 You know, it's been proven that he doesn't have ties 1:58:26.320 --> 1:58:29.680 to the tribes that he claimed, but that still doesn't 1:58:29.680 --> 1:58:33.400 necessarily mean that he has that he doesn't have ties 1:58:33.480 --> 1:58:37.440 to a native tribe. UM. It's just that, especially you know, 1:58:37.480 --> 1:58:40.920 like the history in New Mexico and around the area 1:58:41.360 --> 1:58:44.360 Native people through that area. You know, it's always really complicated. 1:58:45.040 --> 1:58:47.680 So you know, he's still doing a lot of research 1:58:48.360 --> 1:58:50.280 because you know, he was told all his life that 1:58:50.320 --> 1:58:54.840 he was Apache and Pueblo and it turns out that 1:58:54.880 --> 1:58:57.440 he's not, so you know, so it's not as though 1:58:57.480 --> 1:58:59.880 he was like lying. It's just that he was kind 1:59:00.080 --> 1:59:05.040 possibly like misinformed exactly exactly. And you know, and even 1:59:05.080 --> 1:59:08.160 without that, you know, he would still be an indigenous person. 1:59:08.280 --> 1:59:11.640 So you know, it's a lot more complicated than say, 1:59:11.760 --> 1:59:16.040 like Elizabeth Warren R. Yeah, that was a pretty cut 1:59:16.040 --> 1:59:19.160 and dry situation. Yeah, so you know, it's a little 1:59:19.200 --> 1:59:21.680 more complicated. And I feel really bad for him, being 1:59:21.720 --> 1:59:25.640 so young, and you know, this is his first movie role, 1:59:26.000 --> 1:59:29.600 and of course, you know when when you're in that spotlight, 1:59:29.640 --> 1:59:33.160 then everything is under intense scrutiny, no matter if you're 1:59:33.240 --> 1:59:36.120 Native or not. So you know, I really feel bad 1:59:36.160 --> 1:59:40.160 that this is his kind of introduction into that spotlight. 1:59:40.240 --> 1:59:44.680 But you know, it's just I feel really bad for him. Um. 1:59:45.120 --> 1:59:48.480 But also, you know, I just really hope that it 1:59:48.560 --> 1:59:52.400 doesn't really end up with like harassment or you know, 1:59:52.480 --> 1:59:54.920 him being vilified for it, because it's not like he 1:59:55.080 --> 2:00:00.480 intentionally lied, right, and he was apparently up front with 2:00:00.560 --> 2:00:04.880 the producers and everybody beforehand. Um, and he was still hired. 2:00:05.000 --> 2:00:08.600 So it's it's a really complicated situation. Because at that 2:00:08.640 --> 2:00:12.520 point to um, you know, the responsibility falls on you know, 2:00:12.840 --> 2:00:15.800 on his family and also you know, the people that 2:00:15.880 --> 2:00:20.760 hired him knowing that he had questionable ties. So you know, 2:00:20.880 --> 2:00:23.160 he kind of really did just get go into this 2:00:23.400 --> 2:00:26.960 thinking like I'm okay um. And and that's another reason 2:00:27.040 --> 2:00:28.800 I feel so bad for him, because it's not like 2:00:28.880 --> 2:00:32.400 he had a reason to not believe his parents or 2:00:32.480 --> 2:00:35.240 his family when they told him, you know, about who 2:00:35.360 --> 2:00:38.680 his what his heritage was, so you know, and he 2:00:38.720 --> 2:00:41.360 probably grew up all his life thinking, you know, that's 2:00:41.440 --> 2:00:44.720 who he was, and then now it's just gone. Um. 2:00:44.880 --> 2:00:47.720 So I'm sure that's like a cultural shocking as well. 2:00:48.440 --> 2:00:51.000 So you know, I mean, I just I just feel 2:00:51.040 --> 2:00:53.400 really bad for him. But I think that's important to 2:00:54.480 --> 2:00:56.840 put out there just because you know, when it comes 2:00:56.840 --> 2:01:00.720 to Native representation, it's really hard for Native people to 2:01:00.760 --> 2:01:04.240 get roles as it is, and non natives are constantly 2:01:04.280 --> 2:01:07.760 being cast in Native roles, So you know, I do 2:01:07.920 --> 2:01:11.840 think that it needs to be kind of discussed, you 2:01:11.880 --> 2:01:14.560 know that, you know, why this is a conversation, why 2:01:14.600 --> 2:01:17.400 this is an issue, and also just to just to 2:01:17.480 --> 2:01:21.160 let people be aware that it's not always cut and dry, 2:01:21.560 --> 2:01:24.120 you know, like there's a lot of history with colonization. 2:01:24.200 --> 2:01:27.120 It's done a number on our ties to our communities. 2:01:27.160 --> 2:01:32.160 It's intentionally severed connections to your community. So you know, 2:01:32.240 --> 2:01:35.640 there are a lot of Natives who are not enrolled, 2:01:35.680 --> 2:01:40.040 who are legitly native um, but because of blood quantum 2:01:40.160 --> 2:01:44.160 and different tribal enrollment requirements, even though they're Native, they 2:01:44.200 --> 2:01:47.120 may not necessarily qualify to be citizens of their nation. 2:01:47.720 --> 2:01:49.840 So you know, there's a lot of gray area. We 2:01:49.880 --> 2:01:52.880 had Natives who were adopted out, Natives who lost their 2:01:52.880 --> 2:01:56.320 ties through residential boarding schools, and it's just a really 2:01:56.360 --> 2:02:00.640 complicated history to try and entangle. And you know, again, 2:02:00.680 --> 2:02:02.920 I think that's why I feel so bad for him, 2:02:02.960 --> 2:02:06.120 because he's suddenly having to deal with all this and 2:02:06.600 --> 2:02:10.440 you know, of course shoulder all the responsibility and the 2:02:10.520 --> 2:02:15.240 blame for something that wasn't necessarily his fault or something 2:02:15.280 --> 2:02:19.920 that he didn't necessarily do intentionally of course. Yeah. Yeah, 2:02:19.920 --> 2:02:23.640 And this is still a developing situation. So at the 2:02:23.640 --> 2:02:26.040 time of this recording, right, I guess for our listeners, 2:02:26.120 --> 2:02:28.360 because we record kind of for an advance. Sometimes we're 2:02:28.400 --> 2:02:32.000 recording this on September, so that is and also, like 2:02:32.160 --> 2:02:34.880 Johnny I genuinely was not even aware of that situation 2:02:34.960 --> 2:02:40.280 before today. So it's like, yeah, very much a developing, right, 2:02:40.280 --> 2:02:43.600 I mean yeah, I wish everyone the best. I mean 2:02:43.600 --> 2:02:46.680 that that is an incredible mind funk for someone who's 2:02:46.720 --> 2:02:52.560 so early in the public eye. Oh yeah, Um, what's that? 2:02:53.520 --> 2:02:56.400 The Bechtel Tests? The Bechtel Test? Ever heard of it? 2:02:56.840 --> 2:03:00.280 I have Does this movie past the Bechtel Test? I 2:03:00.320 --> 2:03:03.280 believe it does. Between Naru and my mother, yeah, they 2:03:03.320 --> 2:03:09.360 talk about hunting, food, medicine, her future. I mean they 2:03:09.360 --> 2:03:12.840 talk about a lot of stuff. Yeah, her skills. And 2:03:12.880 --> 2:03:14.760 I wanted to give one more shout out to the 2:03:14.800 --> 2:03:19.600 Ali Naughty Test, which Naru in this movie passes with 2:03:19.680 --> 2:03:24.120 flying colors, So shout out to the Ali Naughty Test. 2:03:25.040 --> 2:03:28.560 And um, then we've got our Nipple scale, the only 2:03:28.680 --> 2:03:33.280 perfect media metric. It's flawless, ten out of ten. No notes. 2:03:34.000 --> 2:03:37.640 We rate the movie on a scale of zero to 2:03:37.760 --> 2:03:43.000 five nipples based on how it does when you look 2:03:43.040 --> 2:03:47.880 at the movie through an intersectional feminist lens. I would 2:03:48.000 --> 2:03:52.240 give this movie. I want to give it a four. 2:03:52.920 --> 2:03:56.440 Four nipples. I'm gonna take a little bit of nippleage 2:03:56.560 --> 2:04:00.880 off for the behind the scenes as far as the 2:04:00.960 --> 2:04:05.600 movie was written and directed by white men, this is 2:04:05.640 --> 2:04:10.960 not their story to tell. I don't know why indigenous 2:04:10.960 --> 2:04:14.520 filmmakers couldn't have been given the opportunity to, you know, 2:04:14.600 --> 2:04:19.000 be the creative minds behind this movie. And I think 2:04:19.040 --> 2:04:22.240 that led to kind of the main thing that pinned 2:04:22.280 --> 2:04:25.000 for all of us, as far as the way gender 2:04:25.280 --> 2:04:29.000 is treated in the movie, as far as like European 2:04:29.160 --> 2:04:35.680 style patriarchal values being voisted onto this culture and community 2:04:35.720 --> 2:04:40.680 where that didn't fully track. So but there's just like 2:04:40.920 --> 2:04:43.960 so much else to to love about this movie as 2:04:44.000 --> 2:04:49.920 far as Indigenous representation and this movie pushing the needle 2:04:50.120 --> 2:04:52.840 forward in that regard. Um. I want to share a 2:04:52.880 --> 2:04:59.920 quick quote from Amber mid Thunder where she says, quote, 2:05:00.040 --> 2:05:01.960 this is the first time you get to see an 2:05:01.960 --> 2:05:05.880 indigenous female action hero at the center of a film 2:05:05.960 --> 2:05:10.520 that in and of itself is a really incredible statement unquote. 2:05:10.600 --> 2:05:13.840 And it's like, yeah, the fact that this is the 2:05:13.880 --> 2:05:17.440 first time we're getting that in the year and I 2:05:17.440 --> 2:05:20.760 will also yeah, like it's amazing. But also I'm going 2:05:20.800 --> 2:05:23.320 to add, and I was talking with to Amber about 2:05:23.360 --> 2:05:26.640 this too, is that I'm a sexual and one of 2:05:26.640 --> 2:05:29.680 the things that really that I really loved about this 2:05:29.760 --> 2:05:33.280 movie too, is that she got to be an action 2:05:33.400 --> 2:05:39.000 star without a love interest. Yes, there was no male 2:05:39.160 --> 2:05:43.520 figure trying to pull her into a domestic life, for 2:05:43.840 --> 2:05:49.520 her having to choose between her people and a man, right, Like, 2:05:49.560 --> 2:05:51.880 there was no love story, and the love story that 2:05:51.920 --> 2:05:55.600 did exist was between you know, all of the native 2:05:55.680 --> 2:05:59.400 characters and their community. And so, you know, as somebody 2:05:59.440 --> 2:06:01.960 who's a set actual and to see a movie where 2:06:02.000 --> 2:06:05.280 there is no love interest or you know, romance being 2:06:05.320 --> 2:06:09.160 pushed onto any of the characters as part of pushing 2:06:09.200 --> 2:06:13.120 them forward or kind of developing as a person like 2:06:13.200 --> 2:06:16.360 that was phenomenal to me. And they did it so organically, 2:06:16.440 --> 2:06:19.600 like it didn't seem forced or you know, it wasn't 2:06:19.600 --> 2:06:21.480 like they were like, oh, well, because she wants to 2:06:21.480 --> 2:06:23.640 be a warrior, no one wants to marry her or 2:06:23.680 --> 2:06:26.960 nobody is attracted to her kind of thing. So, you know, 2:06:27.040 --> 2:06:29.920 I really love that she just got to be not 2:06:30.920 --> 2:06:34.080 you know and just like a fully developed person on 2:06:34.160 --> 2:06:38.240 her own, without you know, a male figure having to 2:06:38.280 --> 2:06:41.040 come in and try and control her or you know, 2:06:41.200 --> 2:06:44.320 change the course of her action or it just you know, 2:06:44.400 --> 2:06:46.280 I mean, it was just phenomenal to me, like I 2:06:46.320 --> 2:06:48.440 was so excited by that as somebody who is a 2:06:48.520 --> 2:06:51.760 sexual because in almost every movie we watch there is 2:06:52.240 --> 2:06:55.160 a love triangle of some sort, which is remarkable. I mean, 2:06:55.200 --> 2:06:57.560 in the action genre at all, I feel like it 2:06:57.840 --> 2:07:02.240 there's always a love story that is that or very 2:07:02.280 --> 2:07:06.280 often a love story that feels extremely shoehorned in and 2:07:06.320 --> 2:07:08.720 almost in this like weird marketing attempt to be like 2:07:08.800 --> 2:07:12.240 we need everyone to see this movie who likes a 2:07:12.360 --> 2:07:18.920 really forced heterosexual romance, And it's like everybody is for sure. 2:07:20.480 --> 2:07:24.640 I came to see a snake, a predator, and a 2:07:24.680 --> 2:07:27.840 girl with an axe, and I left satisfied, and I 2:07:28.280 --> 2:07:31.880 totally agree. Like having the most powerful bond in this 2:07:31.960 --> 2:07:38.680 movie be between siblings is really rare and like powerful 2:07:38.720 --> 2:07:41.360 and cool. Yeah, and it and it was there and 2:07:41.440 --> 2:07:43.880 not in a weird way, because there's a weird thing 2:07:44.000 --> 2:07:47.960 with siblings in movies where they're way too flirty with 2:07:47.960 --> 2:07:52.120 each other, you know, like there's just this weird dynamic 2:07:52.200 --> 2:07:55.400 with siblings that never really hits with me, you know, 2:07:55.440 --> 2:07:58.320 like I'm thinking back to Monica and Ross and friends. 2:07:58.360 --> 2:08:00.600 You know, they're always hanging around on each other. You 2:08:00.720 --> 2:08:04.120 can lay up. Yeah, like there's just I mean, there's 2:08:04.160 --> 2:08:06.920 some weird sibling relationships out there, so it was really 2:08:07.000 --> 2:08:09.760 nice to see one where, you know, it felt like 2:08:09.800 --> 2:08:13.560 a sibling relationship with the teasing and you know, just 2:08:13.640 --> 2:08:15.640 kind of giving each other a hard time, but also 2:08:15.720 --> 2:08:20.840 that genuine care that they had for each other. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. 2:08:21.040 --> 2:08:24.800 So with all of that in mind, I will give 2:08:24.840 --> 2:08:29.960 the movie four nipples. I will award one to Naru, 2:08:30.160 --> 2:08:34.600 I will give one to producer Jane Myers, I will 2:08:34.760 --> 2:08:39.720 give a nipple to Sorry the Dog, and I'll give 2:08:39.760 --> 2:08:45.000 my funnel nipple to the tooth brushing scene, which I 2:08:45.040 --> 2:08:48.360 really appreciated and was, um from what I read, carefully 2:08:48.360 --> 2:08:52.120 researched and you know, shout out to brushing your teeth. 2:08:52.720 --> 2:08:56.200 Hell yeah, I'll meet you have four nipples. I think 2:08:56.240 --> 2:09:00.680 that this is a I mean, like, it's a really 2:09:00.760 --> 2:09:06.680 fucking cool movie. Um. I love that the production took 2:09:06.800 --> 2:09:12.839 such care to represent indigenous cultures so specifically in time 2:09:13.040 --> 2:09:16.480 and in their tribe and and and I mean the 2:09:16.680 --> 2:09:22.320 weird girl boss elements of like like modern feminism. Those 2:09:22.360 --> 2:09:25.480 moments were a little jarring, but thankfully they did not 2:09:25.640 --> 2:09:27.800 throw the movie off. Course. I feel like Naru is 2:09:27.880 --> 2:09:32.520 such a strong protagonist like she's you can't not root 2:09:32.560 --> 2:09:36.520 for her, and you can't not root for her whole community, 2:09:36.600 --> 2:09:39.200 even when they are at odds and even when they're 2:09:39.200 --> 2:09:42.720 being stalked by Predator, and you kind of can't help 2:09:42.720 --> 2:09:46.280 but root for Predator in a couple of moments, also 2:09:46.440 --> 2:09:48.480 because you know, at the end of the day he 2:09:48.760 --> 2:09:52.160 is boyfriend, and so I try to be respectful of that. 2:09:54.120 --> 2:09:56.760 But yeah, I really love this movie. I agree that 2:09:57.200 --> 2:09:59.160 the fact that we're still kind of in this cultural 2:09:59.360 --> 2:10:04.680 moment where this whatever the Hollywood powers that be seems 2:10:04.760 --> 2:10:08.320 to feel that you still needed a white director and 2:10:08.520 --> 2:10:12.640 co writer to make this movie happen with the institutional 2:10:13.040 --> 2:10:17.680 um support it received, is super discouraging. As we discussed, 2:10:17.760 --> 2:10:22.120 I mean, I feel like, you know, there's no world 2:10:22.280 --> 2:10:26.160 in which an indigenous filmmaker shouldn't get the first option 2:10:26.640 --> 2:10:30.120 to make a movie like this with the institutional support 2:10:30.200 --> 2:10:33.960 at the same level, and um, it's really frustrating that 2:10:33.960 --> 2:10:36.320 that is still not a place where we're at. But 2:10:36.360 --> 2:10:39.320 I do agree that this is a good stepping stone 2:10:39.360 --> 2:10:42.840 movie to bring what I hope will be more Indigenous 2:10:42.840 --> 2:10:46.520 stories by Indigenous people who are honestly indigenous filmmakers getting 2:10:46.520 --> 2:10:51.840 institutional support to make whatever they want. And I will 2:10:51.880 --> 2:10:55.800 say it's really hard for me too, because I in 2:10:55.880 --> 2:11:00.480 my head, after seeing Pray, I've super been wanting to 2:11:00.560 --> 2:11:05.520 just go hard campaigning for Dan Tracktonburg to direct or 2:11:05.560 --> 2:11:08.720 even just options Steven Graham Jones The Only Good Indians, 2:11:09.640 --> 2:11:14.160 which is one of the most terrifying Native horror books 2:11:14.160 --> 2:11:16.320 that I've read in such a long time, Like it's 2:11:16.400 --> 2:11:21.320 just haunts me. But after seeing Pray, I think that 2:11:21.880 --> 2:11:24.680 he would be the one director that could possibly bring 2:11:24.720 --> 2:11:28.120 it to life in a way that does it justice. 2:11:28.840 --> 2:11:31.200 And I was like, oh, Johnny, you're such a trader. 2:11:31.640 --> 2:11:35.960 You're such a trader. But well, Dan, I mean, he 2:11:36.040 --> 2:11:40.520 directed the hell out of this movie. And also, you know, Clover, 2:11:41.560 --> 2:11:46.240 Oh my goodness, Clover, like it's so good. It was 2:11:46.320 --> 2:11:49.200 so good, and I, you know, I had not I 2:11:49.560 --> 2:11:54.560 really wanted to hate it going in, and the story 2:11:54.640 --> 2:11:57.360 just kind of really got me interested, and I was 2:11:57.440 --> 2:12:00.280 just thinking, oh, like, this is a good twist. You know, 2:12:00.400 --> 2:12:02.840 she thinks the world's ending and she's just down here 2:12:02.920 --> 2:12:05.880 with this crazy dude, but then she gets out and 2:12:06.080 --> 2:12:11.360 lo and behold, the world has gotten right. I was like, oh, 2:12:11.400 --> 2:12:14.200 my god, I love this And then seeing Pray, I 2:12:14.320 --> 2:12:17.280 was thinking, huh, I want to see Only Good Indians 2:12:17.320 --> 2:12:20.960 as a movie. Dan seems to have a good grass 2:12:21.040 --> 2:12:24.440 on horror, and you know what really kind of grabs 2:12:24.480 --> 2:12:27.880 those human elements, you know, like with the relationships, you know, 2:12:28.000 --> 2:12:32.560 beyond just the horror, you know, even better. Sometimes I'm 2:12:32.600 --> 2:12:35.480 just like, okay, now, like Dan Trachtenberg could be the 2:12:35.560 --> 2:12:39.760 kind of person to like champion an adaptation, find an 2:12:39.760 --> 2:12:42.640 intentionous director would do an amazing job with it and 2:12:42.680 --> 2:12:45.000 just like help steer the ship and keep things on 2:12:45.000 --> 2:12:48.160 board and keep institutions out of the way, you know exactly, 2:12:48.280 --> 2:12:51.200 Like I mean, there's so many options there. But I 2:12:51.360 --> 2:12:54.360 was like, Johnny, you're such a trader. You're such a trader. 2:12:54.840 --> 2:12:58.240 And and it's funny because I mean, I honestly, you know, 2:12:58.400 --> 2:13:02.240 I did not expect to lie Pray. Like, if we 2:13:02.240 --> 2:13:05.280 were having this conversation in two thousand sixteen, I'd be like, 2:13:05.320 --> 2:13:10.440 no nipples, we're taking their nipples completely away. But now 2:13:10.480 --> 2:13:13.760 it's like I would give them all the nipples. Well, well, 2:13:13.880 --> 2:13:16.880 on that note, what is your nipple rating? Um? I 2:13:17.000 --> 2:13:20.000 actually would give them a four and a half. I 2:13:20.160 --> 2:13:23.320 think they did such a phenomenal job because they really 2:13:23.400 --> 2:13:26.800 did have to turn that script around. Um, hearing some 2:13:26.920 --> 2:13:29.839 of the behind the scenes conversations with like Jane Myers 2:13:30.080 --> 2:13:32.800 and also with a lot of the Comanchee people that 2:13:32.840 --> 2:13:36.440 came on board to to kind of help develop the film. 2:13:36.480 --> 2:13:40.720 The original script was as bad as I thought it was. Um, 2:13:40.800 --> 2:13:43.400 So they did have to tweet quite a bit, and 2:13:43.600 --> 2:13:46.880 a lot of those little moments too, of where kind 2:13:46.880 --> 2:13:50.520 of like that misogyny where it just feels like, Okay, 2:13:50.600 --> 2:13:54.240 that's that's not Native, that's not our culture, that wouldn't 2:13:54.280 --> 2:13:57.800 be you know, how Comanche men treated their women. A 2:13:57.840 --> 2:14:00.360 lot of those moments, you know, we're kind of slip 2:14:00.440 --> 2:14:05.360 through because of trying to I guess you would say, 2:14:05.400 --> 2:14:10.360 make it understandable from a mainstream perspective of what this 2:14:10.400 --> 2:14:13.520 story was. So I take away half a nipple for that, 2:14:14.040 --> 2:14:17.520 because I honestly just can't wait to where, you know, 2:14:17.600 --> 2:14:19.720 we get a Native film, you know, like where it's 2:14:19.760 --> 2:14:22.440 like Reservation Dogs, where it can be told through that 2:14:22.600 --> 2:14:27.120 native lens, completely through a Native lens, without having to 2:14:27.160 --> 2:14:30.400 try and figure out how to translate that also through 2:14:30.440 --> 2:14:34.160 a white lens. So but I mean, I think they 2:14:34.200 --> 2:14:37.360 did like a phenomenal job. Everything about that movie, Like 2:14:37.400 --> 2:14:40.120 there's so many little hidden Easter eggs, Like there's the 2:14:40.200 --> 2:14:43.240 scene where she's walking through right before the hunting party 2:14:43.280 --> 2:14:46.320 finds her after she gets out of the mud and everything. 2:14:47.720 --> 2:14:49.960 But if you look in that scene, you will actually 2:14:50.080 --> 2:14:54.520 see those Comanche warriors hiding behind the trees and in 2:14:54.560 --> 2:14:59.440 the background. So if you're not watching, like you'll miss it. 2:14:59.760 --> 2:15:02.160 But that's one of the things that Comanche people were 2:15:02.200 --> 2:15:05.640 known for was being able to hide and sneak up 2:15:05.640 --> 2:15:08.280 on people. So if you really watch that scene, you'll 2:15:08.320 --> 2:15:12.840 see them in the background, and so you know. And 2:15:12.880 --> 2:15:15.200 there's also a part where she whistles at night and 2:15:15.240 --> 2:15:18.000 the predator shows up, which is one of those things 2:15:18.040 --> 2:15:20.920 for Native people is very taboo. You don't whistle at 2:15:21.000 --> 2:15:23.600 night because you don't know what's going to whistle back 2:15:23.760 --> 2:15:27.040 or what it's going to bring forth, like what spirits. 2:15:27.040 --> 2:15:30.680 So it was really cool to have them have her 2:15:30.680 --> 2:15:34.120 whistle at night and then here comes the monster, you know, 2:15:34.240 --> 2:15:38.360 just kind of like solidifying that that believe. So, I mean, 2:15:38.360 --> 2:15:40.600 there were so many little Easter eggs, little things that 2:15:40.600 --> 2:15:43.480 were hidden that you know, if you're native, it really 2:15:43.560 --> 2:15:47.120 kind of just made you realize, like they took such 2:15:47.440 --> 2:15:51.680 incredible care with this movie and they wanted Native people 2:15:51.720 --> 2:15:54.440 to really connect with it, and you know, I really 2:15:54.480 --> 2:15:57.320 think it did a good job of resonating with Native 2:15:57.360 --> 2:15:59.880 people because of that. So, you know, I think they 2:16:00.040 --> 2:16:04.800 just did an incredible job overall. I'm so glad. I'm 2:16:04.840 --> 2:16:06.600 so glad we got to talk about this movie with 2:16:06.680 --> 2:16:08.760 you as well. Thank you for coming on the show. Oh, 2:16:08.840 --> 2:16:11.200 thank you for having me come back any time to 2:16:11.320 --> 2:16:18.000 talk about whatever. And where can people check out your 2:16:18.000 --> 2:16:23.120 stuff online? Follow you on social media anything like that. Well, 2:16:23.160 --> 2:16:26.760 folks can find me online at Johnny j on Twitter, 2:16:26.960 --> 2:16:30.360 on Facebook, and Instagram, and also check out a tribe 2:16:30.360 --> 2:16:35.200 called geek at www dot a tribe called geek dot com. Um, 2:16:35.240 --> 2:16:38.680 we have some great stuff coming up in terms of 2:16:38.720 --> 2:16:42.320 like content, but also I am so happy to announce 2:16:42.360 --> 2:16:46.240 that Indigenous pop X is back um since the pandemic, 2:16:46.360 --> 2:16:49.800 which for those of year you don't know, is kind 2:16:49.800 --> 2:16:54.400 of like the rebranding of Indigenous Comic con um. So 2:16:54.480 --> 2:16:57.280 I am super excited that we are back and we're 2:16:57.280 --> 2:17:01.640 going to be holding it in March of in Oklahoma 2:17:01.720 --> 2:17:05.519 City at the First Americans Museum. So that's an incredible 2:17:05.560 --> 2:17:09.160 as well. But I mean it's just an incredible celebration 2:17:09.200 --> 2:17:12.080 of indigenous pop culture. So if you're in the okay 2:17:12.120 --> 2:17:15.520 se area, check it out. I'm pretty sure things will 2:17:15.520 --> 2:17:18.920 be live streamed. As far as other things that are 2:17:18.959 --> 2:17:21.680 coming up, I'm going to be sharing some live streams 2:17:21.720 --> 2:17:24.840 in the next coming weeks um from a conference that 2:17:24.879 --> 2:17:27.760 I'm getting ready to head out to tomorrow, and I'll 2:17:27.760 --> 2:17:32.000 be joining my Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse rest style presentation 2:17:32.600 --> 2:17:37.880 as well as some live art demonstrations. Amazing, that's so cool. Cool. Yeah. 2:17:38.200 --> 2:17:41.119 You can find us UH in all the usual online 2:17:41.120 --> 2:17:45.199 places on Instagram and Twitter at Bexelkast. 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