1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody. It's Bucky Brooks joined by Lance Z. 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 3: This is a Move Assist podcast and we are just 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 3: going to chop it up today about all things pre season. 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 3: My man Lance does a great job with everything related 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: to the draft. He knows Ighthstown really well, and so 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 3: we just want to kind of kind of scrimmage out 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 3: some of these thoughts about some of the young quarterbacks, 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: some of the guys that were the topics that are 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 3: already showing out. But before we get to that, LZ, 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: what's going on, man, how you doing? 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 4: It's good, it's uh. 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: We finally got to one hundred degrees, so finally I'm 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: getting a real summer in and uh and my radio partner, 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: how about this. My radio partner moved out to Cali. 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: So his wife is now the president and general manager 17 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: of or maybe just general manager of KBC, your ABC 18 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: television affiliate. Yeah, so he moved out and my boy 19 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: moved out there. 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 4: He came back today. He flew back in today. He's 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 4: gonna spend three weeks here. 22 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: He's going back and forth, so he's getting used to 23 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: that early wake up that I get the week of 24 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: the draft and I'm trying to do radio in Houston 25 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: and then come in to do all the TV. 26 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 4: So he's getting used to that. But then, uh, he 27 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 4: was in Malibu yesterday and he came back. I said. 28 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 4: He was showing me pictures. I said, I said, so 29 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 4: I wasn't coming back, he said, he. 30 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: Said, I heard a lot of negative things about Los Angeles. 31 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 4: He goes, I haven't personally experienced them yet. 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 3: I said, you just wait, you just wait till your 33 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: boy starts rolling in with those in and out cups. 34 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: What a who? 35 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna wait wait wait wait wait wait serious 36 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: Now when you start turning it back on Waterburger, He's serious. 37 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 5: Now you officially flipped to l A flipped. I can't 38 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 5: wait for it. Yeah, I can't wait for him to 39 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 5: get you on that com rex. So I'm see, I'm 40 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 5: gonna take another week out here. I gotta I gotta stay. 41 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 5: Before you know it, he's gonna be remote, chilling out. 42 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 5: They're Malibu. 43 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 4: So that's cool. 44 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: So Lan's like, we do all of this stuff leading 45 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: up to. 46 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: The draft, right, we speculate, we project who's going to 47 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: be who, and what's gonna be what and then we 48 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: can't wait till we kind of unwrap those presents on 49 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: our version of Christmas, which is the preseason. 50 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the number one overall pick, Kay Williams. 51 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: Because he put on a little show together Nay gave 52 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: us a little tease do some little some of those 53 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: little things that we saw at sc What are your 54 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: thoughts on Kleb Williams and what he's doing with the 55 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: Chicago Bear Well, I mean, so you. 56 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 4: Know, I could end up getting labeled a hater here. 57 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 4: I'm just going to say, you know how easy it 58 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 4: is to catch a hater label. But this is the 59 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 4: way I see it, Like, he's incredible. 60 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: Off script, I already know that he's going to be 61 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: able to do things that are spectacular. 62 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 4: He is, to me going to be the runaway pick 63 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: for Offensive Rookie of the Year. I think some of 64 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 4: the things that I have some concerns with to catch 65 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 4: up with them is some things that are still going 66 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 4: to follow him, which is maybe a little bit too 67 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: much hero ball. 68 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: He knows he can and so what I want to 69 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: do is get into the tape and find out were 70 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: their openings, Like did he have opportunities to stay on 71 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: schedule and not do it because eventually that kind of 72 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: stuff catches up to you. You got to you got 73 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: to be able to take a profit when you need 74 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: to and move on. And I think that's the one thing. 75 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: Like I know he can make spectacular plays. I know 76 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: he's got arm talent. I want it for him to 77 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: be one of the top three quarterbacks in the league. 78 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 4: What I want to see, Bucky is how do you 79 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 4: run the game when the game is ready to be 80 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 4: there for you and you just snap rethrow, snap readthrow. 81 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 4: How do you do there? 82 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: And we haven't seen that yet because he's just he 83 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: hasn't played enough football for me to tell. 84 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 4: But I still want to see. 85 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: Him win from the pocket more inside first football, first 86 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: reaction as opposed to second reaction football. That's still going 87 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: to be something that I think is going to play 88 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: out throughout the year. 89 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 90 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: No. The thing about him, and that was the biggest 91 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: thing I think for me, is always to patience, to 92 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: discipline and the poise from him, Like he is an 93 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: incredible playmaker. He is one of those guys who does 94 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: have that Patrick Mahome like ability to really make things 95 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: happen on the move. 96 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: But the great ones, like Patrick. 97 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 3: Mahomes displayed the last two years, the great ones learn 98 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: how to do the boring stuff really, really well. And 99 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: if Kayleb Williams can master the boring stuff, taking the 100 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: check down, staying within the pocket, throwing on time and 101 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 3: on schedule, not big play, hunting in certain parts of 102 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: the game, but allowing it to open up and really 103 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: cashing the lotto ticket when the defense gives it to you, 104 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 3: that's when his game would really go to the next level. 105 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 3: But I'll say this, there's so much excitement about the Bears. 106 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: He is certainly giving them the hope that they needed. 107 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 3: And I think you see that play out in the 108 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: way the defense plays. There's something about when you have it, 109 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 3: and you saw it right there in Ashown. 110 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: Man. 111 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: When your team believes they got one at quarterback, it 112 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: changes everything. 113 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: It changes the. 114 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: Way they play because they feel like they always have 115 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 3: a chance. And I think the Bears from top to bottom, 116 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: they feel like they got a chance because they're looking 117 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 3: at the quarterback and feeling like he's one. 118 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 4: Well. 119 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: And so it's been amazing to watch the turnaround for 120 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: the Texans. I mean, it's truly astounding. The owner went 121 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: from sell the team, you're the worst to like everyone's 122 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: favorite in Houston now because his job is easy because 123 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: he hired Demico Ryans and drafted you know, and they 124 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: drafted Will Andersons. 125 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 4: I don't want to leave out Will Anderson, CJ. 126 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: You get the quarterback and the quarterback is a dude, 127 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: and he's a guy who loves football. It changes, I mean, 128 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: it changes everything. But Will Anderson was an immediate right 129 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: hand man and an extension of Demiko Ryans. He's a 130 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: dog in the room like he is. That team is 131 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: completely the culture has completely shifted. And I've never seen 132 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: anything like that happen in one year, like I've never 133 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: That's crazy to me that in one year they could 134 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: go from the laughing stock franchise to I think a 135 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: legitimate contender for AFC Championship this year because you know, 136 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: the offense is going to be really explosive. 137 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 4: They have two d dynamic edg rushers. But it all 138 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: started when you get the quarterback. 139 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: And when you get a quarterback that you can believe 140 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: even and then he brings you back like Caleb Williams 141 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: has that ability and you look in last year, Bucky Dave, 142 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: the Texans did that with rookie Tank Dell, with Dalton 143 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: Schultz and when Nico Collins coming into his own, they 144 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: didn't really have much of a run game. 145 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: You look at the. 146 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 4: Bears, and the Bears have the ability to bang it 147 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 4: up a little bit in the run game. Now they've 148 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 4: got Keenan Allen, who's the level one, you know, ball winner. 149 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: They've got DJ Moore who can do it on all 150 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: three levels, and then you got Romadunze who is kind 151 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: of a little bit of both of those guys. 152 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 4: I mean, they've got and I didn't even get to 153 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: cole Kmett or Gerald, so they got a lot a 154 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 4: lot working for them offense. 155 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a look a really, really good team. 156 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: And you just talked about all the stuff that they 157 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 3: have around them, and I'll say that in Chicago when 158 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 3: you look at what they put together, not only like 159 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: all those older dudes and being able to have multiple 160 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: packages that would allow him to attack the defense and 161 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: variety ways. 162 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: They got the back in the backfield and DeAndre Swift. 163 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: I mean, they they have so many playmax because that's 164 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: kind of funny to think that this is a Bears 165 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: team and I don't want to take like too much 166 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: of the preseason and kind of project out to how 167 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: they're gonna perform in the regular season. But you certainly 168 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: like it just based on the flashes. And I'll say this, 169 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: Matti Eberflus has done a really good job of taking 170 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: over the defense, and the defense looks like a Matt 171 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: Eberflus defense since he took it over. I understand him 172 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: wanted to be the head coach early in his tenure, 173 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: but since he's become the head coach decoordinator. Man, you 174 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: see this team hunt, you see this thing go. And 175 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: speaking of that, how about Austin Booker showing up? You know, 176 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: how about Look, it's one of those things where we 177 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: talked about him, and you know, we didn't have as 178 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: many shows on path to the draft, so we couldn't 179 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: get all the way into the details on some of 180 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: those guys, But we talked about Austin Booker being a 181 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: guy that was a perfect fit in the defense that 182 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: allowed him to see ball, get ball. 183 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: He's showing up, Elz, he's showing up all. 184 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: He had two and a half sacks in one game, 185 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: and he's a guy that he has got to get bigger. 186 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: But you know, from a physical standpoint, you want him 187 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: to mature physically like Monte Sweat did, who's. 188 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,119 Speaker 4: On the same team. But I'll tell you what he's got, 189 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: Like his flashes were incredible to me on tape, but 190 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 4: he had less than six hundred total college snaps. So 191 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 4: it's like, what do you do with the player like that? 192 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 4: He ended up his testing wasn't as explosive as expected. 193 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 4: He fell to the fifth round, But I think the 194 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: Bears feel like they stole him because he's a player 195 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 4: that I gave a projection grade. You know, sometimes you 196 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 4: say grade the flashes and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, 197 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 4: and then you know, there are times you either grade 198 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 4: the flash or you just you stay the course and 199 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 4: you say, well, he hadn't got a lot of consistency. 200 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 4: He's only two hundred and forty pounds. I don't know 201 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 4: if he's got a lot of room for growth. 202 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: I took a chance and graded the flash. Now, I 203 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm going to be right or not. Well, 204 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: only time will tell. But sometimes you got to grade 205 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: those flashes with those players, and even if they get 206 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: drafted later, you keep an eye on those guys like 207 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs is actually one of those guys out of 208 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: Maryland who had a. 209 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 4: Outstanding run after catch stuff to him and it, you know, 210 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 4: and and he went like, I want to say third 211 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 4: or fourth round? I think fourth round, Yeah, out of Maryland. 212 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 4: And you see who he's turned into. So that's one 213 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 4: of the things we're keeping an eye on. Are those 214 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 4: flash guys too, Bucky. 215 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: We all watched the first round guys, but you and 216 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: I we get a little deeper into weeds with players. 217 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: I go back and try to check on let me 218 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: see how hundred Nor's at the center of Penn State's doing. 219 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: Let me go see how you know Malachi Corley's doing. 220 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: Let me go see how this cornerback's doing. No. 221 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: It's funny because when you think about like Austin book, 222 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: you think about some of those other young guys that 223 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 3: are popping in. 224 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: Terms of pass rush. I think what we're learning. 225 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 3: Making sure that the fit in terms of the player 226 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: in the scheme. If it messes up, those guys can 227 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: have immediate success. And that brings me to the second 228 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: quarterback taking Jade and Daniels because there was some conversation 229 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: in the football world. There were some people that were 230 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: siding with Jayden Daniels in the Kaya Williams Jad and 231 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: Daniels debate, even though no one anticipated that being a debate, 232 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 3: But o, jay and Daniels is showing and prove into 233 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: the football world he might be the real deal when 234 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 3: it comes to being a guy that can be a 235 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: day one starter. 236 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 237 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: I mean, you know what really and we'll get to 238 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: bon Knicks in a second, but what really shined for 239 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: me with bo Knicks and with Jaydon Daniels is they 240 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: had to seem to have a command. 241 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: They look like guys who had played five years of 242 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: football and that had gone through some ups and some downs, 243 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 4: and the game wasn't too big for him like they 244 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: had they had experienced. They had enough experience, game experience 245 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 4: where they were ready for the situation. And we see 246 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson will Levis uh Malik Willis, You've we've seen 247 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: lots of younger quarterbacks who haven't played as much. We 248 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: would have found out with J. J. 249 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: McCarthy, Mitch Trubisky, guys who haven't played as much football. 250 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: It's hard to learn and play on the move. 251 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: There's something I know people look down on sometimes five 252 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: year starters, and these are old players and Pennix is old, 253 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: and this guy's old and this guy's but you know 254 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: what else, there's a level of maturity there in the 255 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: game of Jayden Daniels, and I think what really separated 256 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: him on tape I thought from maybe some of the 257 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: other guys was that he had true run pass like 258 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: he could. He was a pretty good pocket passer, and 259 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: he would read the field. Now I know he would 260 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: take off early sometimes, but not all the time. When 261 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: he sat in the pocket, I thought he got through 262 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: his progressions. He just happens to be a really good runner. 263 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: So I think it's going to be an interesting battle 264 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: for Offensive Rookie of the Year this year. I think 265 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: Caleb's gonna win it, like I said going away, but 266 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: I think that early in the year there's gonna be 267 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: some real flashes from these quarterbacks that I wasn't sure 268 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: if we were going to see. 269 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: So you bring up a really good point, and we 270 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: will talk about bo Nix and those things. But I 271 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: think is one of the things that we'll have to 272 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: start baking into the evaluation when we talk about quarterbacks, 273 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 3: because even though JJ McCarthy and Drake may flash, their 274 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: flashes look different than the old guy flashes like the 275 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: maturity that we see and you kind of throw Caleb 276 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: in there, but not really. But just the maturity that 277 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: we saw from Michael Pennix what we saw from Bownicks. 278 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: It's just a different thing, and. 279 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 3: I kind of compare it to and even though he 280 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: was mister Irrelevant, I call it the Brock pretty effect. 281 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: There is something to playing a bunch of games in 282 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: college that allows you to play pretty well in the pros. 283 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: When I look at Brock Purdy played forty nine games 284 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: he started at Iowa State, had thirty wins, nearly shattered 285 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 3: every record at Iowa State. You then look at Michael 286 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: Pennix and he had an odyssey that finally finished in Washington. 287 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: But think about the amount of games that he played. 288 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: Bo Nicks playing in the SEC in the PAC twelve 289 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: sixty four starts, he goes to Denver and Sean Payton 290 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 3: is trying to squash the excitement about him, But how 291 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: can you not be excited about what he's displayed Lance, 292 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: I think I'm beginning to think, hey, man, I might 293 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 3: want to start looking at some of these older quarterbacks 294 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 3: that might have some scuffs on him that it may 295 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: not have been perfect their journey, but that experience appears 296 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: to give them this command and confidence, particularly early when 297 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: we're looking at the preseason games. 298 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: They've been through adversity, you know, and there's something for 299 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: the scouts. I know, Bucky and you've been there in 300 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: the rooms. There's something about knowing because if you've got 301 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: a guy who's been through adversity and overcome adversity, it 302 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: could be personal in his life, it could be in 303 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: the classroom, it could be a physical issue. 304 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 4: It could be any number of adversities. 305 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: When you've overcome every time you have to face an 306 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 1: adversity and overcome, you can kind of scar up a 307 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: little bit and learn coping mechanism and learn and learn 308 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: how to overcome. 309 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: You know, you it's something you have to learn. You 310 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: can't just be fed how to overcome adversity. That that 311 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 4: that's something that has to be a learned skill. Some 312 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 4: people have it, some people have to learn it. You know. 313 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 4: You got a quarterback there. You and I talked before 314 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 4: we before we got on the before we got on 315 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 4: the mic, I mean on the on the screen here. 316 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: But Matt Jones faced the trees, not a rookie, but 317 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: he came from that fantastic twenty twenty one rookie draft. 318 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: That quarterback draft that you know, looks like a bus 319 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: So did Trey Lance, Justin Fields Man, those guys have 320 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: faced tremendous adversity. Now Trey Lance has another chance, right, 321 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: You got Justin He's gonna get another. 322 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 4: Chance in Pittsburgh. 323 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: Of course, Mac Jones, these guys have been through different 324 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: types of adversity. But I think it's interesting that Mac 325 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: Jones looks really good right now in Jacksonville. He doesn't 326 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: have a care in the world. He's a number two quarterback, 327 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: nothing really expected of him, and he's in a much 328 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: better situation. 329 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 4: But he's also a guy who has been through the 330 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: tough times. Rich Gannon late in his career, had been 331 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 4: through adversity. Drew Brees had gone through a level of 332 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 4: adversity before he came to the Saints, both physical with 333 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: the shoulder and also with them drafting a quarterback behind him. 334 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: There's something there's something to be said for quarterbacks who 335 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: have some talent, who know how to get through adversity, 336 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 4: and bo Nicks is stepping right in there like he 337 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 4: never now. Also thought that was a great fit with 338 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 4: Sean Page. Yes, I thought that was perfect. 339 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you think about it, when when we 340 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: said it, and I think we talked about it, Sean 341 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: paidon one his version of what he had in Drew Brees. 342 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: And even though we didn't make the direct comparison between 343 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: bow Knicks and Drew Brees, we could look at some 344 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: of the traits that bo Nicks exhibited in college and say, yeah, 345 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: you know, I can see that his athleticism one son. 346 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: Of a coach football like you, very mature, very poised, 347 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: has bounced back from some adversity to become I would say, 348 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: a lights out starter at Oregon, and you saw all 349 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: of that come into play. 350 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: And so when he comes into the room and Sean 351 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: Payton has talked to him about ball, they can talk 352 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 3: high level x's and o's, and there's so much film 353 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: on him that Sean Payton has a clear i would say, 354 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: assessment on who he is, where he is, and how 355 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: to build him up from there, whereas maybe with some 356 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: of the younger players it's more guess work and projection 357 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 3: in terms of what it is. And I know in 358 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: the scouting world when we do these things, when it 359 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: comes to the draft, like Lance, there's the debate between 360 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 3: do I want the guy the high floor or the 361 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 3: high ceiling, And so the high floor player is more 362 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: like a bow knicks where you're like, I don't know 363 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 3: how much is left, how much more he can improve. 364 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 3: But if you know where the baseline is and I 365 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 3: build an offense around what his baseline is going to 366 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 3: be and be really successful, these experienced quarterbacks might give 367 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: you an opportunity to better build around him because you 368 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: have maybe more certainty in terms of the type of 369 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: player that you're going to get when you put him 370 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: on the field. 371 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, when you've seen everything from a quarterback, 372 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example like C. J. 373 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 4: Stroud here in Houston. We just he has just tremendous, 374 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 4: tremendous subside. I think that I think the. 375 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: Sky is the limit for how good he's going to 376 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: be when you really break it down, though he faced 377 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: adversity last year to an extent, he faced some different 378 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: levels of adversity with Oklahoma, I mean Ohio State, But 379 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: when you really break it down, he won a lot 380 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: of Ohio State and even last year, a lot of 381 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: his adversity came in small batches, like what happens if 382 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: he loses three games in a row. 383 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 4: I don't think he's ever lost three games in a 384 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 4: row in his college or pro career. Like, how how 385 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 4: do you handle that? I'm not saying he's not going 386 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 4: to handle it. He probably is, but those are little things. 387 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 4: I promise you. Bo Nicks went through all kinds of 388 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 4: adversity being in the SEC at Auburn, running for his 389 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 4: life and having people doubt him. I promise you. Jayden 390 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 4: Daniels has gone through versus I promise you Bo Knicks, 391 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 4: I mean not Bo Nicks and Michael Pennix with four 392 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 4: season ending in four seasons of season ending injuries there 393 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 4: and Indiana has gone through something that no one else has. 394 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 4: So you kind of know what they're You've already seen 395 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 4: that part of a bucket. 396 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: You talk about baselines, you know where the lowest of 397 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: their lows were. Then it's a matter of playing poker 398 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: and reading who the person is. And that's why the 399 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: Falcons took that chance on Michael Pennix. I think Pennix 400 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: is an interesting one too, Like can the coaches and 401 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: the GM and the co can they maintain their excitement 402 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: to stick with Kirk Cousins, who we know is a 403 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: safe option through the year. Kirk Cousins has always been 404 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: a safe option. You know what you're gonna get. You're 405 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: gonna get good football, solid football. Got a chance to 406 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: win that division. How far you go, we'll see. But 407 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: are they going to be so hungry to kind of 408 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: prove like, is there going to be any part of 409 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: don't want to say, man, we want to turn them loose. 410 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: We want to show why he was a first round pick. 411 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: We want to turn Pinnicks loose, Like is are they 412 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: going to stay the course with their plan with Michael Pennis. 413 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 3: That's gonna be really interesting to watch, Lance, because that's 414 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: something that you get excited about the fact that Raheem 415 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: Morris and those guys shut Michael Pennock down. 416 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 2: They said, hey, we saw all we needed to see 417 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 2: in the Miami game. 418 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: That is uncommon for a young player because typically in 419 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 3: the pros you want to get young players all of 420 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 3: the reps right. So it appears there's something in play. 421 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: Not that he is going to replace Kirk Cousins or whatever, 422 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 3: but there's something that makes you say, hey, man, we're 423 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: not going to play our young guy because look, as 424 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 3: I'm precedent it, when do you not play a rookie 425 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 3: quarterback in the preseason to allow them to continue to 426 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: acclimate to the pro game. There is something bigger than 427 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 3: just oh, we saw enough. We're gonna get Tyler Hanky 428 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 3: some work. We feel good about it. I'm not saying 429 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 3: that Kirk Cousins job is in jeopardy, but I was 430 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: a Kurt you might. 431 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: Want to rent by, Yeah, don't buy. 432 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: I looked at the salary cap to see when they 433 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: can get out, and I mean they can already talk 434 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: about getting out after one year, So it's gonna be 435 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting there. 436 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on the wide receivers. 437 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: I guess we had Roma Dunes they catching a long 438 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: pass from Caleb Williams. But Malie Nabors has made some 439 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: noise over there in New York, you have Marvin Harrison. 440 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 4: I think is going to be just fine. 441 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: I think Malik is fascinating because Malie Nabors has a 442 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: chance to maybe say Daniel Jones's job in New York 443 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: or the flip side is that you may see him 444 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: on the sideline saying, what are we doing, Daniel? 445 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 4: What are we doing? Like? 446 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: He doesn't strike me as a shy player. Who's gonna 447 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: avoid the smoke. I think if he gets upset, we 448 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: may hear him talk a little bit. We may see 449 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: him talk to Daniel Jones a little bit. But boy 450 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: does he look good over there in New York. 451 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 2: He does look good. 452 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 3: And I'll say this about all those wide receivers, I 453 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 3: think they all had their moments already in camp. We've 454 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: seen Elik Neighbors kind of show improved, like the reels 455 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: that we've seen from joint practices when he's been dominating 456 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: and being topping guys. Look, it just validates what he 457 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: was at LSU. And the thing that everyone told you 458 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: LSU about him is he's a doll d a w G. 459 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: He's competitive, he's feisty. He got that bite to him 460 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: and it shows up in the way that he plays. 461 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 3: So we already saw him trying to fight some of 462 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: the Detroit Lions in their joint practices. Then when you 463 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: talk about his partner BTJ. Brian Thomas Jr. Is so smooth. 464 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: He look he's. 465 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: Quiet, but man, he goes about his business. 466 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 3: The first reception that he has down in Jacksonville is 467 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 3: an explosive play, and he continues to dazzle. He was 468 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 3: one of the stars of their joint practices against Temp 469 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: Bay Buccaneers. 470 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: It was shot shot, shot shot, you know what I'm saying. 471 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: I mean he was a party down there with BTJ 472 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 2: on the other end. 473 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 3: And look, Marvin Harrison Junior is interesting because one I 474 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 3: heard his comments on the interview. He talked about why 475 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: he elected not to work out at the combine and 476 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 3: the pro they saying, look, I dominated in college since 477 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: my freshman year. 478 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: What do I need to prove the people working out. 479 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 3: I wanted to get ready to a farewell as soon 480 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: as he stepped into the league, and he's done that. 481 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 3: And then Romadunza, who we always talked about the mature, 482 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: consummate professional. You see him connect with Kayleb Williams, and 483 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 3: wide receivers are typically it's typically a very volatile position 484 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: when you're trying to evaluate, sometimes at the top of 485 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 3: the board because a lot of times it depends on 486 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 3: the scheme and the quarterback that. 487 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: You pair with. 488 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 3: It appears that this class, particularly at the top, all 489 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 3: these dudes can get it done. 490 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be a fun It'll be a fun 491 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 4: class because the you know, running backs probably not as 492 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 4: much tight ends not as much, but there's a defensive 493 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 4: players and we can get to that later on. 494 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: But I think it's gonna be a more It's gonna 495 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: be as fun as I expected. At the quarterback spot 496 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: for rookies, I think we're gonna have three that make 497 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: a lot of noise, maybe four. 498 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 4: If Drake may ends up getting that job. I think 499 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 4: that one's maybe not until later in the season. It's 500 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 4: too bad what happened with JJ McCarthy. What's keeping eye 501 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 4: on Michael Pennix. But from a receiver standpoint, there's a 502 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: lot of guys including. 503 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: I'll just throw one little before we wrap this one up. 504 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't high enough on Cooper Cup coming out. 505 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: I liked him, I just went high enough. I wasn't 506 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: high enough on Pooka Nakua coming out. I liked him, 507 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: but I wasn't nearly high enough. And I got Jordan 508 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: Whitting to bust in my ass, and I'm like, man, 509 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: is he gonna turn into it? 510 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 3: Am? 511 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 4: I did the Rams find another one? Is this gonna be? 512 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: Like? 513 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: I know, I didn't see special with him. I saw 514 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 4: I liked a lot of the elements. 515 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: I just didn't think he was a plus enough athlete, 516 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: but it was the same thing was saying about pooking 517 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: a cool and I missed. 518 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I think Lesnie and Sean McVay 519 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 3: have a sweet tooth for the mature, underrated pass catcher 520 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: that they can plug into their system, and the system 521 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: allows them to play at an elevated level. Disappears to 522 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 3: be another kid that they found that kind of works 523 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 3: well with what they're doing and given their offense and 524 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 3: given I would say they've kind of found the prototype 525 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: for what they want, the mature route runner that is handsy, 526 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: that has some physicality and toughness to them. 527 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 2: It's working for them and for the Rams who. 528 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 3: Quietly draft really well outside of the first round, Like 529 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 3: quietly they found they found a way to find some guys. 530 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 3: They have done a really really good job of understanding 531 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: the type of player they want and plug into a 532 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 3: system that allows those players to play well pass. 533 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: Off to them. I mean, they just continue to knock 534 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: it out the park and everguard. 535 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, really, really well. They could have had the offensive 536 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: and defensive Rookie of the Year. 537 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: The Texans got it last year, but I mean you 538 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: could have made a case for Pooka and Akua. 539 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: And Kobe Turner. 540 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 4: Kobe Turner also on the interior. Kobe Turner was phenomenal. 541 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 4: Pooka the coup was phenomenal. And those guys weren't drafted. 542 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 4: I mean Kobe was drafted, I believe in the third round, 543 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 4: and Pooka was out in the fifth round, fifth or sixth. 544 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 4: So I mean that's rare stuff that we're looking at. 545 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: So look, on the other side, we're gonna take a 546 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 3: break right here. We're gonna talk about defensive players. So 547 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: hang with us. We'll be back, all right, Lance, you 548 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: finished that segment talking about defense and Kobe Turner. Let's 549 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 3: talk about some of these defensive guys that have shown 550 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 3: up like guys that immediately I look, I gotta talk 551 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 3: about you guy, because you know you got Chris Ballad. 552 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: I would like him to be a friend of the program. 553 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 3: He's not a friend of the program, but I know 554 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: he's your boy. He appears to have found another one. 555 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: And Layatu Latu in terms of perfect freak athlete. 556 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 4: To fit his system, he's uh. I mean, Chris thought 557 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 4: we talked after the draft was over. He didn't tell 558 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 4: me anything during the draft. I mean, I don't know 559 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 4: what kind of. 560 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 2: Man, I'm gonna get on Christmas and you get. 561 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 4: To a certain level, all of a sudden they clam up. 562 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: And he used to be your boy. 563 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: Ryan Poles was your boy. 564 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 2: Now, don't tell me they leave you on red on 565 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: the text. I don't. 566 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna tell Bucky just stop, just stop. It's 567 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 4: between us. They don't give you anything, nothing. But it's crazy. 568 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 4: He told me. You know, they thought Puka was I 569 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 4: mean they thought uh A, lot Too was the best 570 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 4: pass rusher of the three rushers. And when you looked 571 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 4: at it between Jared Verse and Peyton Turner, not Dallas Turner. 572 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 4: And I got all these rookie names all over my head, 573 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 4: Dallas Turner, lot Too and Jared Verse. You know, realistically, 574 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 4: I haven't seen many rookies coming into the league who 575 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 4: were this skilled as Lock lot Too is is on 576 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 4: a very rare, rare, rare fight air. 577 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: When it comes to his approach as a rusher, I 578 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: had questions about if he was as athletic as the 579 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: other guys. 580 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 4: He was, I mean, his forty time was good. He 581 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 4: tested well, all three of them did. But I think what. 582 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: Ballard really loved about lot Too is that they saw 583 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: somebody who had great rush instincts. You know, it's not 584 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: where he was he had to set up. You could say, well, 585 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: he has great rush game plan. Well I asked him 586 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: about that as a senior Bowl. He goes, you know, honestly, 587 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: I don't really have a game plan. I just read 588 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: where the tackle is with his foot and where his 589 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: weight is, and I read it and just will just 590 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: make moves off of where his weight is. 591 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 4: Well, those are instincts, as you know, Bucky. 592 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: The ability to convert what you see and more importantly 593 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: feel at that speed into a counter that's instincts. And 594 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who don't have that. And really, frankly, 595 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: I think it's hard. You can develop a counter move, 596 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: but I don't think you can really develop rush instincts. 597 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: And that's something that he knows how to get to. 598 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: He knows how to get to his moves because he 599 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: feels them so quickly, and he is a lot in 600 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: his bag and I think Ballor did hit it. 601 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 4: Now He's got to stay healthy, you know, we got 602 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 4: to check on that. But I know they are really 603 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 4: really excited about both ad Mitchell on the offensive side, 604 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 4: and then a lot too on the defensive side. 605 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they hit it. 606 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 3: And I'll see this about ballot Man. The one thing 607 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 3: that I can appreciate is he has leaned into what 608 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: a lot of scouts always talk about, Like we can 609 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: talk about bigger, faster, stronger, we can talk about going 610 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: after these athletic prototypes. He has gone all the way 611 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 3: in on give me the best athletes, and I'm gonna 612 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 3: allow my coaching staff to get those guys. Right when 613 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 3: we looked at all the testing numbers, Lance, all of 614 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 3: those guys had to hit certain benchmarks and testing. He 615 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 3: is going to get the most athletic team that he 616 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: can find and then put the onus on the coaches 617 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 3: to develop them. 618 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 2: And when I think about. 619 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: Lot too, Lot two was a very polished and skilled 620 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 3: pass rusher. And one of the things that really let 621 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: me know that is not only the tape, but when 622 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 3: he talked about it. 623 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 2: He could he could walk you through the wise behind 624 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: his attack. 625 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 3: You know, he could walk you through a he was 626 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: sitting here, so I wanted to go outside, or oh, 627 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 3: he was oversetting outside, So I gave him up and 628 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 3: under and came and came through to me. 629 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 2: The great ones have the ability to walk you. 630 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 3: Through why they executed certain moves in those things and 631 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 3: then ad Mitchell, I'll see this like there's a lot 632 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 3: of conversation about whatever the character issues were. No one 633 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: could deny the athleticism and the explosiveness that he displayed 634 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 3: during the time at Georgia and at Texas. And when 635 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: you are the Innianapolis coast and you're trying to upgrade 636 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 3: the talent around another freakish athletic quarterback in Anthony Richardson, 637 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 3: you're gonna gamble on some of those guys and so 638 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: as they continue to develop. 639 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 2: Look, man, it's a team. 640 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: That is dangerous, but it hinges on the play of 641 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson. And to me, he's the biggest question mark 642 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 3: because he didn't enter the league with a lot of experience. 643 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 3: He only played four games last year, so he still 644 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 3: is an unknown at the position, even though people got 645 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 3: him fast tracked to be an All Pro Pro Bowl 646 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: caliber player just based on the freak his traits that 647 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 3: he has as. 648 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: Another trades pick, but you know, you swing for the 649 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: fences And that was one where I said, man, how 650 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: could you like? 651 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 4: I didn't think he could draft Anthony Richardson. And I'm like, 652 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 4: you guys got to win now, how could you? 653 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: Like? 654 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 4: I remember seeing him at the combine and he's like, 655 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 4: look at that guy, and I'm like, yeah, but you 656 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 4: can't draft him. You're gonna have to go You got 657 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 4: to try to figure out you know, c J. Stroud 658 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 4: or or you know, or get your hands on. 659 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: Bryce Young. You're gonna have to go on those two 660 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: because you got to win now. You can't draft Levis 661 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: or Anthony Richardson. He's like, why can't I draft one 662 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: of those guys. I'm like, well, because you gotta win. 663 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: You gotta win now to be right now, bro, you 664 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: gotta win. 665 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 4: What are you talking about? 666 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: This is two years ago, and he said, I'm gonna 667 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: do what I think is best for the Colts, whether 668 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: I have a job or not. He goes, I want 669 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: the Colts to get the right player, and even if 670 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: it's not in year one, you know, we want to 671 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: get the best players. And that's a lot of times 672 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: you get general managers and especially coaches who have you know, 673 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: player picking duties, they start doing some cya drafts where 674 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: they want to I need somebody now because I'm trying 675 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: to hang on. 676 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 4: To this job. 677 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: It's not easy to draft for what you believe is 678 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: the best long term player who may need development. 679 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 4: And Ady Mitchell is one of those guys who need 680 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 4: some development. 681 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: But you know, I think one of the reasons you 682 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: saw Balor come out so hard in that press conference 683 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: about people who came after ad Mitchell is he wanted 684 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: to know let Ady Mitchell know that he had his 685 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: back and that he was going to be there for him. 686 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 4: And I think Ady Mitchell's responded in camp by playing 687 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 4: at a really, really high level. And he's one of 688 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 4: those guys when I talked about great in the flashes 689 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 4: in the last segment, so CJ. Stroud had crazy good 690 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,479 Speaker 4: flashes against Georgia and that was one where I had 691 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 4: to say, Man, regular season, CJ. Stroud was good, but 692 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 4: he wasn't great Georgia. CJ. 693 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: Stroud was special. Do you great the lashes? It turns 694 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: out he looks like the guy that played Georgia with 695 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: Aden Mitchell. A lot of times you can see him coasting. 696 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: It's not always consistent, but when you watched him against 697 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: Alabama where he had you know where he had come 698 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: over from where Georgia. He had come from Georgia, So yeah, 699 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,239 Speaker 1: he already had you know, Georgia Alabama, you got that 700 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: thing going. 701 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 4: He showed out against Alabama. 702 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: If you watch his Texas tape, he really flashed against Alabama. 703 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 4: He was spectacular. 704 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: Speaking to a guy from Texas who is spectacular in 705 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: a game. Xavier Worthy also had a really good game 706 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 1: against Alabama last year and a win at Alabama. 707 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 4: And he's with Pat Mahomes. Now, I got to know, 708 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 4: do you think I've got him too far? 709 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: I looked at my offensive rookie of the years I 710 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: had to write an article, and look I got I've 711 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: got first as Caleb Williams, second is Marvin Harrison, third 712 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: is Jalen Jayden Daniels. 713 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 4: But I don't put Xavier Worthy until seventh? Now is 714 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 4: that too low? Bucky? 715 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: Do you think don't burn up all you gass them? Ricky? 716 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: So let's talk about Zavie Worth. Dont don't let me 717 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 3: know all the stuff. We're gonna talk about that. We're 718 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 3: gonna table pot later in the week where we're gonna 719 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 3: talk about all the things Navy. You're worthy, So, Zavier Worthy, 720 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 3: Here's what I'll tell you about Zavier Worthy when I 721 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 3: look at him. So Andy Reid and coaches who have 722 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 3: been around for a long time, they often park him 723 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 3: back to their previous players when they make comparisons. And 724 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 3: I didn't think about the comparison for Xavier Worthy throughout 725 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 3: the draft, but Andy Reid compared him. 726 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 2: To the Shawn Jackson shan. Yeah. And when you think 727 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: about DeShawn Jackson, what DeShawn Jackson was. 728 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 3: For Andy Reid with the Eagles big playmaker, I think 729 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: people forget. I think DeShawn Jackson is right there with 730 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: Jerry Rice in terms of big play touchdowns, in terms 731 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 3: of fifty plus yard touchdowns in the National Football League 732 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 3: in his career. That's what DeShawn Jackson was. If Xavier 733 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 3: Worthy can give the kant City Chiefs some of that, 734 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 3: it changes the way that they play because right now, 735 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: the last two years they've had to play half court 736 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 3: basketball because they didn't have the ability to stretch the 737 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 3: field really. Zave Worthy immediately gives them that they were 738 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 3: hoping on Hollywood Brown. Hollywood Brown has been banged up, 739 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 3: so we'll see when he comes back. But Xavier Worthy 740 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 3: stretches the field, gives them a little more big play presence, 741 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: and that shit open up the field for Travis Kelsey 742 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: and some of the guys working underneath. He is going 743 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 3: to be in a good spot. I don't know if 744 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 3: his numbers will accurately reflect his impact, but that speed 745 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 3: is real because if I'm a dB and I look 746 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 3: over over there, I say, up, he's the fastest man. 747 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 3: Let me take a step or two back to make 748 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 3: sure I don't give a big play. 749 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 4: I know, terrifying. Getting back to the defense, so we 750 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 4: talked about lot too. 751 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: You know, the defense. Lot Too is the first defensive 752 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: player drafted. And then it went lot to and I 753 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: believe Byron Murphy was actually sixteen, Dallas Turner seventeen to 754 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: the Vikings, and then Jared Verse to the Rams of nineteen. 755 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: Let's lock in on those four guys. We talked a 756 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: lot to. But you've got Byron Murphy, Dallas Turner, and 757 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: Jared Verse. How do you see them fitting in their 758 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: first year? Jared Verse is a guy that I I think. 759 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 4: I thought he was a great fit with the Rams, 760 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 4: and I like the way he impacts the game from 761 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 4: a run defense standpoint and a pass rush. Dad. 762 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, now those past versuses are good. So now and 763 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,479 Speaker 3: talking to Jared Verse, I went out to RAMS camp 764 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 3: and talking to him. He just talked about learning from 765 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,959 Speaker 3: the guys and how they have a really good room 766 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 3: and how no one is expected to really fill in 767 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 3: for ninety nine Aaron Donald, but just how they could 768 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 3: collectively get it done. And when I think about Jared Verse, 769 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 3: not that he's the same player, but I think his 770 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 3: blueprint has to be the same one that Khalil Mack 771 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 3: used power rusher, I'm going to overwhelm you with my 772 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 3: ability to physically beat you at the point of attack 773 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 3: on my way to the quarterback. 774 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 2: He has that in his game and as a. 775 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 3: High IQ player, I think if he can just I 776 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 3: would tell him, hey, man, I want you to look 777 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 3: as much Khalil mac tape as you can and learn 778 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 3: how to put your hand right in the middle of 779 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 3: that defender's chest and then make a decision off of 780 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 3: his reaction. If he adds that part to his game 781 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 3: and dominates with his explosedness, I think he can be 782 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 3: a really solid player. Dallas Turner to one that has 783 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 3: stood out to me, And some of that is what 784 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 3: he's able to do as a really good athlete coming 785 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 3: off the edge, but a lot of it, to me 786 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 3: is what Brian Flores does in terms of creating the 787 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 3: one on ones that covers zero package that he uses 788 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 3: where they're bringing everybody and they're putting all those little 789 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 3: guys on the islands on the offensive line. That is 790 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 3: going to give Dallas Turner opportunity to walk into some 791 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 3: gimme sacks. 792 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, they blitzed. I was looking at that. They blitzed 793 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: over fifty percent of the time last year. The Vikings 794 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: by far the most humber zero the most blitz scene 795 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: over fifty I mean they were coming every single time. 796 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 1: And now you got something where Brian Flores actually has 797 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: an opportunity to show you a bunch of blitz then 798 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: bring it back. He can start showing blitz, create some 799 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: confusion with because that's his tendency now, right. So you 800 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: go into the season, you start mugging guys up in 801 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: the A gap, you start walking guys up off the edge, 802 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: and you're gonna start saying uh oh, and you're making 803 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: protection calls and then boom, they're dropping out and all 804 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you've got a protection call that has 805 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: created a one on one for Dallas Turner, and you've 806 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: got some real problems if you have an offensive tackle 807 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: that's not the most athletic guy. So I think it's 808 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 1: I think the fact that he's shown such a tendency 809 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: to blitz, and now he has a guy who can 810 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: win one on one, it gives him a little bit 811 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: more leeway in terms of creating rush. 812 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: Now. 813 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 4: Now they got twelve and a half sacks or more 814 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 4: out of Daniel Hunter last year Daniel Hunter. 815 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: So Hunter is I mean, Hunter is now with the 816 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: Houston Texas, but he put in big sack numbers in 817 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: that same defense with lots of blitzer. So even if 818 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 1: there's lots of blitzing, it's still all that's going to 819 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: do is benefit Dallas Turner. 820 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 4: But what I'm telling you is it Turner and as. 821 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: You've alluded to, Bucky, he's good enough as a one 822 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: on one rusher that you may not have to blitz 823 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: quite as much as you had to last year. 824 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 3: No, And you know it's funny. Gary riz Is sol 825 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 3: Gonta Cunningham, former defensive coordinator of the can Cite the 826 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 3: Chiefs when I was there later of the Detroit Lions 827 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 3: and some other spots. He used to always talk about, 828 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 3: my job as a decoordinator is not to blitz to 829 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 3: get people free. 830 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 2: But is the Blitz to give. 831 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 3: You one on one opportunities where you can showcase your 832 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 3: one on one talents. And if you think about Brian 833 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 3: Flores and what they do, dialing up the pressures and 834 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 3: bringing cover zero and going after people, a lot of 835 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 3: that is designed to give guys like Dallas Turner an 836 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 3: opportunity to walk into sacks because he has a chance 837 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 3: to overwhelm someone with the speed, quickness, or overall explosiveness. 838 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 3: As we think about the Vikings, because I feel like 839 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 3: people are sleeping on the Vikings, they have a defense 840 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 3: that could be problematic. Because Donathan was a Grenard. They 841 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 3: came from a. 842 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 4: Hey he can rush. Now he's got some talent as 843 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 4: a rusher. 844 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 3: So now you put him with Dallas Turner and like 845 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 3: an athletic thing. They signed Gilly Locke Stefan Gilmore on 846 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 3: the corner to give them some savvy and some experience 847 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 3: on the perimeter. That could be problems matic, you know, 848 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 3: And so I'm looking forward to that. So look, Lance, 849 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 3: I kept you too long on this pod. So what 850 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 3: we're gonna do is we're gonna end this one and 851 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 3: then we're gonna come back later and then we can 852 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 3: have another one that's gonna be real good for tomorrow. 853 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 2: So look, that's a move to six podcasts for the day. 854 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 2: Me Elsie will be back. 855 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 3: So until then, make sure you subscribe, rate, review, download, 856 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 3: tell a friend to tell a friend to hit up 857 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 3: our podcast. We're trying to grow to community, so make 858 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 3: sure you come back and listen to us until then, 859 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 3: We'll talk to you tomorrow.