Speaker 1: How's it going?
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. We're excited to be here.
Speaker 1: You know who's excited to be there? It's Leo.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, wait so much, so much to talk about, Leo.
Speaker 2: Oh man, but Leo, why do you give us your thing?
Speaker 3: Well? This episode is season one, of course, Episode seven,
Speaker 3: The Fourth Sister aired on November eighteenth, nineteen ninety eight. Anyway. Synopsis,
Speaker 3: A troubled teen named Aviva wants to be the fourth
Speaker 3: Hallewell Sister, but finds herself possessed by an evil spirit
Speaker 3: named Calli. In Calli's quest to steal the Halleywell powers,
Speaker 3: a Viva must go toe to toe with Prue. A
Speaker 3: Book of Shadows showdown begs the question Mirror, Mirror on
Speaker 3: the Wall, who's the bitchiest witch of all?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 3: Stop, it doesn't say that. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. This
Speaker 3: is directed by the writer is Edith Swinson? What a synopsis?
Speaker 2: Well dared but truly Who is Mary or Mirror on
Speaker 2: the Wall?
Speaker 3: Guest starring uh as A Viva. Daniel Harris who we
Speaker 3: all may know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, talking to the podcast the podcast, Yeah, wow, who.
Speaker 1: Is the witchiest of them all? I mean, everybody keeps
Speaker 1: talking about how strong Prue is in this episode, so
Speaker 1: I guess it's Prue.
Speaker 2: Bru is definitely the strongest at this point.
Speaker 1: At this point, Lord have mercy.
Speaker 3: It's just how she rolls, and she's strong in their
Speaker 3: personal relationships too. She just handles Andy like sorry, brow
Speaker 3: not tonight, sing.
Speaker 1: Of handling the finest glutes in all the land show
Speaker 1: up too and all.
Speaker 2: The biggest tool Okay, they used to Like the last
Speaker 2: time we did this, I was talking about Dale's jacket.
Speaker 2: This time, I noticed the tool belt where it is
Speaker 2: so like, dude, you have put on every single tool
Speaker 2: that you can on that belt where the hammer is
Speaker 2: hanging below your your kneecap.
Speaker 1: Such a tool is that? Is that a specialized hammer?
Speaker 1: Is that a carpenter extra large?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it was a carpenter hammer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so much going on with that.
Speaker 3: Well, you guys, I remember that because they loaded me
Speaker 3: up and they knew I had had been doing construction
Speaker 3: at the time myself. Right, They were like, what do
Speaker 3: you want? I'm like, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: You're looking for the cat?
Speaker 3: We loaded cat, just loaded that poppy up.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: That is a very incredible and important point of this.
Speaker 2: You were literally searching for a cat, and you've put
Speaker 2: on all your finest of tools.
Speaker 3: You know, it's sometimes you got to go on the cover.
Speaker 3: Did you notice my pager?
Speaker 2: Oh you had a beeper?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you had a white beeper.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Mind playing to the kids. What a beeper is bka.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's a box, a vibe, A box that would vibrate
Speaker 3: with someone's phone number when they want you to call them.
Speaker 3: So you have this little thing. It clips on your side. Uh,
Speaker 3: and you could text somebody they're that number, and your
Speaker 3: number would show up and you could put call me.
Speaker 3: It was it was text messaging before text messaging on
Speaker 3: your phone vibe.
Speaker 2: Vibrating side on your side. I caught that too. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so awful.
Speaker 2: It's but excellent and very well described, like accurately described, sir.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I had many a.
Speaker 1: Pager now you now you have many a suitor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't get the sibling rivalry over a dude. I
Speaker 1: don't get it. Do people do this? I don't have siblings,
Speaker 1: So do people do this?
Speaker 2: My sibling was four years younger and of the opposite sex,
Speaker 2: and so we were not chasing the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no partners. I suppose if you all hung out
Speaker 3: in the same crowd together and spend so much time
Speaker 3: together as as the halliwell sisters do that. There's scenarios
Speaker 3: where some teenagers and young adults okay, hang out.
Speaker 1: They're close in age YadA YadA YadA. Phoebe's a hoe
Speaker 1: YadA YadA yadah Uh herself admittedly, oh she knows this.
Speaker 2: Sure question, have we ever established the actual age?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: What's like? What's the age gap between Piper and Phoebe?
Speaker 3: And proof?
Speaker 1: It's not a lot. People know this and know their
Speaker 1: birthdays and all the things, but it's not a lot.
Speaker 2: Okay, back to glutes.
Speaker 1: So tool belt boy is showing off his glutes and
Speaker 1: still watching it again, I absolutely guarantee that when bk
Speaker 1: ran into the fireplace screen that was a magic moment
Speaker 1: that was unscripted. You pulled it off, you pulled it.
Speaker 3: I still missed it, but by the way I did. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I've watched it.
Speaker 1: Wait, so I'll tell you when you come out of
Speaker 1: the chimney, not finding the cat, but finding finding like
Speaker 1: a crow's nest of some sort, with the poker of
Speaker 1: all things, and you walk out with it and you
Speaker 1: run into the fire play screen that you apparently forgot
Speaker 1: was there, and I say, ooh, careful, Antique, and she
Speaker 1: goes Grahams. And because I remember that moment, and I
Speaker 1: remember how well Alyssa and I were able to bounce
Speaker 1: off each other at that point when you were bouncing
Speaker 1: off other things. Yeah, that was a complete improv Moment's.
Speaker 3: I think it goes to how nervous I still was
Speaker 3: being on the show and acting around you gals, and
Speaker 3: you know, just being on the set and like, Okay,
Speaker 3: don't fuck it up, like you know, like do your lines,
Speaker 3: do your thing. You still be in the moment, listen,
Speaker 3: and you know there you guys are just so comfortable
Speaker 3: in doing it. It's like, oh, so that may have
Speaker 3: led to like, oh my gosh, what's my mark?
Speaker 2: Those are one of my favorite things to actually look
Speaker 2: at or see.
Speaker 1: It's it's it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't happen very often, but the technical term is happy accident,
Speaker 2: right where something happens that's unscripted and everyone reacts in
Speaker 2: an authentic way in the moment, as opposed to like
Speaker 2: breaking stop going ops, I shouldn't have done that. Like
Speaker 2: those are those kind of gem moments like you said
Speaker 2: where then that triggered you and Alyssa being able to
Speaker 2: kind of do a quick riff, And it stays in
Speaker 2: the cut because it's so grounded in reality because it
Speaker 2: really happened. And I think anytime a happy accident can play,
Speaker 2: I think those are the like some of the best
Speaker 2: moments because it just it forces everyone to be hyper
Speaker 2: present in the moment and react accordingly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what episode is this?
Speaker 2: Seven seven?
Speaker 1: So it took them kind of this long to be
Speaker 1: able to trust us in happy accident moments like that,
Speaker 1: but it was It was great that this one was
Speaker 1: kept in the edit because a lot of the best
Speaker 1: stuff ends up on the floor on the editing floor.
Speaker 2: But it's also a testament to you guys dynamic, like
Speaker 2: you guys are, like everyone who knows you at this
Speaker 2: point knows how like funny and like quick on your
Speaker 2: feet and sharp you guys are, and you are specifically
Speaker 2: and you know, Shannon and Alyssa like everyone. So it
Speaker 2: really the show allows you guys to cook in a
Speaker 2: way that's so like refreshing and awesome and fun. And
Speaker 2: I think that's like what people don't realize is so
Speaker 2: much of that is part of why we love it
Speaker 2: so much is because you have that quick wit and
Speaker 2: you can fire things at each other and you're all
Speaker 2: picking up you know, picking up the slack and it plays,
Speaker 2: and that's why we like, we find ourselves smiling when
Speaker 2: we're watching you guys interact. It's part of it's part
Speaker 2: of the reason why I love the show so much,
Speaker 2: is just watching the dynamic between you three kind of go.
Speaker 1: B kay, yeah, this being your first like episode back
Speaker 1: in full throttle, Did it make you uncomfortable that this
Speaker 1: storyline was about like us buying for your affection because
Speaker 1: it made me uncomfortable watching?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't you know what's interesting.
Speaker 1: I think you don't remember being uncomfortable today.
Speaker 3: I mean I was uncomfortable because you know, I'm nervous.
Speaker 3: I'm nervous, But today watching it, I thought, you know,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't write this into a show today. It's like, right,
Speaker 3: they just this type of overt like you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know that's me is.
Speaker 1: That the sisters are just lying about each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, but you guys are doing it all with
Speaker 2: like a pretty fun smile on your It doesn't feel malicious.
Speaker 2: It feels and that's what it is. It's it is,
Speaker 2: but it's not like in that like I'm fighting for
Speaker 2: this kind of it's silly and you are clearly lying,
Speaker 2: but like you're both doing it with a smile on
Speaker 2: your face, right because you realize the ridiculousness of like
Speaker 2: what you're saying and how you're throwing each other under
Speaker 2: the bus.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then we meet Aviva.
Speaker 4: Yes, the issues she does, y'all, she's a cat thief.
Speaker 3: She does. She's a little angry.
Speaker 2: You can't does have issues. Folks don't steal cats, it's
Speaker 2: not cool.
Speaker 1: And they sort of like rushed through this moment of
Speaker 1: her mom being in rehab, which I think was like
Speaker 1: a really important moment and she said important things about it,
Speaker 1: but it's like it feels so rushed that we're trying
Speaker 1: to like it feels like they were trying to hide
Speaker 1: this like other storyline because it's so rushed, and you know,
Speaker 1: spelling shows were really known for doing these these hot
Speaker 1: topic issues and this was kind of soon for that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But also like a teenager, a goth, hello,
Speaker 1: goth teenager wanting a family and feeling like an outsider.
Speaker 1: My mom's in rehab, Like that's a whole nother storyline
Speaker 1: in and of itself that is kind of like brushed
Speaker 1: under the rug there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why it made me wonder had they not
Speaker 3: thought about adding a potential fourth sister, because it was
Speaker 3: kind of opened itself up to a storyline that could
Speaker 3: have been unpacked a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's interesting. I hadn't thought about it like that,
Speaker 2: But now that you say that out loud, I think
Speaker 2: that it really did open They open the door for
Speaker 2: that opportunity. And she feels like once like the dynamic
Speaker 2: between her and pro smooths out, it feels like, oh,
Speaker 2: she could fall right in line with you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Danielle has like a whole story
Speaker 1: about her hair and it being what color and but
Speaker 1: we'll get to that later. But first we have to
Speaker 1: go to Netflix and chill with Andy.
Speaker 2: Rip Blockbuster, Rip Blockbuster.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was the best going to a video
Speaker 3: store picking out a movie.
Speaker 1: It was. I agree the Returning Yeah, the Return movie
Speaker 1: wasn't as fun, but going to it's like, okay, Drew, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's like you love you love museums, right or bookstores.
Speaker 1: Think about like going to a bookstore and picking out
Speaker 1: a new book or a library like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the cover art.
Speaker 3: You turn it over, you see who's in it.
Speaker 2: You read this, and I loved all that I remember,
Speaker 2: and I remember like the b kind rewind thing, where
Speaker 2: like they would have you rewind it before you return it.
Speaker 1: Oh so you do remember this, you are old enough
Speaker 1: to remember this.
Speaker 2: I remember Blockbusters, but I also remember getting my heart
Speaker 2: broken when you show up maybe a little too late,
Speaker 2: and you go upstairs to the new release section and
Speaker 2: all the cassettes behind, like the cover art, are now gone,
Speaker 2: and you left like empty handed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you got to go back a couple times
Speaker 3: that week just to see if it's in anybody's.
Speaker 2: And then you're left watching like Body Heat that you
Speaker 2: don't really want to watch.
Speaker 1: Oh, body Heat is amazing.
Speaker 2: But I was about to say no, no, I was about
Speaker 2: to say, like, wait a second, old Body Heat's actually
Speaker 2: pretty tight. No, No, I don't know that they ever
Speaker 2: get to that movie. Well, Andy didn't get to watch Body.
Speaker 3: Your Relationships in trouble, That's all I got to say.
Speaker 2: I didn't know they were so hot and heavy, Like
Speaker 2: she was laying it on too, like, hey, it's just
Speaker 2: you and me tonight.
Speaker 1: She was quite flirty. That was Flirty prou At her
Speaker 1: finest right there.
Speaker 2: But when did they get to this point.
Speaker 3: In between the last episode and this episode.
Speaker 1: During the commercial breaks? I mean, kids today just have
Speaker 1: no idea between renting movies waiting a year for a
Speaker 1: movie to come out on video. Wow, I mean now
Speaker 1: I have to wait like a week a week before
Speaker 1: a movie comes out a whole year. This explains attention
Speaker 1: spans of these days.
Speaker 2: Well, this does lead this day and age you kids,
Speaker 2: This does lead to a really kind of thing that
Speaker 2: I didn't clock the first time I watched this. That
Speaker 2: I clocked when I watched it, for this was that
Speaker 2: scene the night the first night, when Aviva's there, You're
Speaker 2: all there, She returns the cat, there's Leo, there's Andy,
Speaker 2: popcorn in hand, Piper prus holding the video cassette, and
Speaker 2: Aviva just starts going off like saying, Wika, I'm a witch.
Speaker 2: She just yeah, she's real chatty. And I think that
Speaker 2: there was a My concern was just like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: did this really do a massive shark jump in regards
Speaker 2: to like the reveal, Like how would Andy and Leo
Speaker 2: not actually kind of immediately dress and have all these
Speaker 2: questions because it's not like you froze.
Speaker 1: They're like any usual guy. They're not really listening. They
Speaker 1: hear you, but they're not listening. Wow. Sorry, Wow, I
Speaker 1: think I'm I think I'm projecting.
Speaker 3: Sorry now that I thought that too. It was a
Speaker 3: little like right in front of us. And obviously we
Speaker 3: know why I don't say anything, but.
Speaker 1: You know, we're good at playing dum.
Speaker 3: It leads to wondering if Andy ever does know before
Speaker 3: he knows, I.
Speaker 1: Keep telling you guys, he already knows.
Speaker 2: He has to because the first episode he's talking about
Speaker 2: Wicca like he's you know, he believes that the string
Speaker 2: of murders from your ex boyfriend what was his name.
Speaker 1: Gary, Jeremy Jeremy not even close through not even.
Speaker 2: What is like Gary and Jeremy are very close, but
Speaker 2: like not at all.
Speaker 3: Brothers that die try to get the same girlfriend.
Speaker 2: No, I you're right, though, I think Dale, there is
Speaker 2: an idea. I think HMC you're totally right on this,
Speaker 2: Like he must know.
Speaker 1: He must he's super siss He's super siss Andy, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's a little too quick to be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's a problem, I'll see you tomorrow. Then well, he
Speaker 3: likes her, he loves her, Dude, I don't care how
Speaker 3: much you like somebody over and over like that. Hey listen,
Speaker 3: I'm just a little busy. Sorry, I got to cancel
Speaker 3: last minute.
Speaker 1: I think that's called playing hard to get.
Speaker 3: After you show up at someone's door. Well, you know,
Speaker 3: shit happens apparently, amen, BK.
Speaker 2: I like, I want to commend you. I thought you
Speaker 2: did an incredible job in this episode. I think you
Speaker 2: kind of playing you know, did you know at this
Speaker 2: point that you like who you were or like, did
Speaker 2: they give you any Okay, so you're still just.
Speaker 3: I knew I was doing what did I book three
Speaker 3: episodes as possible recurring and.
Speaker 1: Then and you clearly don't know who your future love
Speaker 1: interest is going to.
Speaker 3: Be after this episode. Maybe they added three or four
Speaker 3: more for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: I think it's because of your performance in this episode.
Speaker 2: For real, Take this compliment because I know you don't
Speaker 2: like it, but I want you to hear this. I
Speaker 2: thought you were really funny and fun in this episode,
Speaker 2: and like you kind of had this like a little
Speaker 2: bit of there's a ditziness, like a lovable dizziness of
Speaker 2: like complete unawareness. But you were funny, and you were engaging,
Speaker 2: and you were so likable that of course they brought
Speaker 2: you back for more and then like ultimately filtered you
Speaker 2: into you know, where you were. But it's an interesting
Speaker 2: thing for me at least to understand, Like at this point,
Speaker 2: you still have no idea what who Leo really is
Speaker 2: as a like, no, one's come down and like talk
Speaker 2: to you and go by the way you actually have
Speaker 2: these magic powers and stuff.
Speaker 3: No, they all they said is potential love interest of
Speaker 3: one of the girls.
Speaker 1: So you were honestly still like playing left field, right field,
Speaker 1: center field. You're like, I don't know who's well, I've
Speaker 1: got no idea.
Speaker 3: So any scene I'm in with Piper or Phoebe or
Speaker 3: like just flirt away.
Speaker 2: I mean that's what it felt like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one percent feels like you should have ended
Speaker 1: up with Phoebe to me because watching Piper slash me
Speaker 1: try to flirt at Quake. I know it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be awkward, but it's Ella Ella awkward.
Speaker 3: Right, But that's where I think we first see Leo's
Speaker 3: wholesomeness that that may not fit with Phoebe, right, I mean, okay, all.
Speaker 1: Right, I get it. Yeah, No, you want to go
Speaker 1: with sweater set girl got baby?
Speaker 2: Oh, so many sweater sets like you are. I have
Speaker 2: never seen anything like this until someone could actually DM
Speaker 2: me how many sweater sets are used per season, Like,
Speaker 2: let's just start with season one. Please find me in
Speaker 2: my DMS and just tell me how many sweater sets
Speaker 2: Baby uses because it is incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too much. It's just it's too much.
Speaker 2: Which you're quite the homemaker, like it fits like did
Speaker 2: you make him cinnabons and a glass of milk?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You did?
Speaker 1: Like bursh, I'll.
Speaker 2: Say you're a grown man, dude, don't drink a glass
Speaker 2: of milk.
Speaker 1: Come on, we fat Okay, please.
Speaker 2: Let me know it's non Oh god, I know. Okay,
Speaker 2: so sorry, we digress.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We get to the non freezing stock or
Speaker 1: good witch. Hey yeah she doesn't freeze?
Speaker 2: Oh right right? Yeah yeah, Like so.
Speaker 1: Apparently good witches don't freeze?
Speaker 2: Right well, I think is actually really important, right because
Speaker 2: it establishes very quickly that because you know, in the
Speaker 2: first the opening kind of the teaser, right, she's now
Speaker 2: kind of corresponding with what we now find out as
Speaker 2: a demon and obviously by proxy, like we're now worried
Speaker 2: that Aviva is also like a bad witch. But the
Speaker 2: truth is is, like you said, the moment she doesn't freeze,
Speaker 2: she can't be bad. She's just being used, which is
Speaker 2: I think a really important discriminating or what's the word
Speaker 2: I'm looking thing.
Speaker 1: It's important, it's important distinction.
Speaker 2: Thank you, that's the exact word I was looking for.
Speaker 1: I know we share a brain.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was important distinction for us as an audience
Speaker 2: and probably use as use guys as use guys as thissses.
Speaker 1: Yes, very much so. And then we give big Jacket,
Speaker 1: Big Jacket Dale slash, Leo sauntering into quake sauntering. There
Speaker 1: was a bit of a saunter.
Speaker 3: What's it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're forcing, but lost a lot of stains like like,
Speaker 2: there's nothing subtle about Leo. His tool belts non subtle,
Speaker 2: his glutes aren't subtle, that jacket ain't subtle. And like
Speaker 2: here I brought like these are stains that are for
Speaker 2: the that are of the time. Yeah, historical, but there's
Speaker 2: like seventy Yeah, these went with the times. You might
Speaker 2: as well have handed her a binder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is where is what's in there?
Speaker 1: This is where Piper like offhandedly addresses that she used
Speaker 1: to be a shit but now she's just a hostess
Speaker 1: because the outfit is better. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like how they kind of snuck that in, Like, wait,
Speaker 2: weren't the hit chef there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so she got demoted. Apparently we're going
Speaker 1: to say she's the general manager. That's what I'm going with.
Speaker 2: You come across as a GM there.
Speaker 1: That makes sense to me, Gonna try.
Speaker 2: Do you think they switched it ultimately just because like
Speaker 2: being a chef and all the stuff that kind of
Speaker 2: would go into those storylines was probably too much prep
Speaker 2: and pre production much at all.
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent think it was because Spelling didn't
Speaker 1: like the chef outfit and wanted me to be in
Speaker 1: the front of the house as opposed to the back
Speaker 1: of the house where more stuff could happen.
Speaker 2: Right, you were two decades or three decades almost too early.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, now look at the bear. Now it's
Speaker 2: about behind.
Speaker 1: But then she gets demoted again when she becomes a bartend.
Speaker 1: I mean the piper's just going downhill. Yeah, yeah, it's fine,
Speaker 1: it's improved, and that's all that really matters. So here
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 2: So wait, so what happens next we are and we go.
Speaker 1: To kill the ant or Aunt Jackie.
Speaker 2: You don't kill the ant? What do you mean we
Speaker 2: go to kill she?
Speaker 1: She tries to kill the ant.
Speaker 2: Well, she doesn't actually do it, She's just trying to
Speaker 2: get her out of the room. And then like that's
Speaker 2: again a very important distinction that like the Cali in
Speaker 2: the in the mirror kind of then is the one
Speaker 2: that really does the big push and forced down the stairs.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It wasn't on fire, it wasn't premeditated,
Speaker 1: but it was definitely it was definitely a viva.
Speaker 2: Viva was part of it, for sure, But she didn't
Speaker 2: really want to hurt Aunt jack I think she just
Speaker 2: wanted her out of her space.
Speaker 1: Right, Aunt Jackie, who is Rebecca who also comes back
Speaker 1: as another character later. No spoilers, so nobody worry about it, Jackie.
Speaker 1: She has many lives, Jackie.
Speaker 2: Jackie's fine. But by the way, I don't know if
Speaker 2: we discussed this previously. I really like when if you
Speaker 2: like an actor and you want to use them again,
Speaker 2: use them again, unless the role was so iconic that
Speaker 2: then like for example, Robert Downey Jr. Is now coming
Speaker 2: back as doctor doom in the Marvel movies. I think personally,
Speaker 2: as much as I love Downey as an actor, I
Speaker 2: think he's brilliant. I think that's a mistake. He is
Speaker 2: Tony Starkey is iron Man. He's literally part of the
Speaker 2: reason why Marvel is relevant today. So then for them
Speaker 2: to then recycle this actor and put them in a
Speaker 2: different main bad guy character, I think isn't the best.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think we do that in such quite
Speaker 1: the same dynamic and obvious way. But hey, Drew, have
Speaker 1: you skipped ahead or read something about this that you
Speaker 1: should not know because you haven't seen and Jackie's future
Speaker 1: episodes yet?
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what ann Jackie is in the future.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, well, for sorry, Love, I forgot to
Speaker 2: land my point. Let me land this point. When it's
Speaker 2: a massive character like that, switching to another massive role,
Speaker 2: it doesn't like it takes me out of it completely.
Speaker 2: But for something like a one off with an aunt Jackie,
Speaker 2: I don't know who she becomes later like that that
Speaker 2: ultimately plays for me, unless she becomes like a main
Speaker 2: Battie or something like wasn't that him Jackie?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: But you can recast, you can we had several.
Speaker 3: Actors come back on our show through the eight years
Speaker 3: that played multiple roles.
Speaker 1: I think that we're going to see We're going to
Speaker 1: see if Drew actually can pick them out of a lineup.
Speaker 1: Oh god, speaking of lineup crew should really be the
Speaker 1: private investigator, not.
Speaker 2: An She's very good, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because she goes to Viva's room and finds all the
Speaker 1: things that Andy should have known about like five episodes ago.
Speaker 3: It was interesting when the police the ambulance are there
Speaker 3: that she just got to walk right back upstairs to
Speaker 3: her room, like Okay, bye, you guys handled that sea.
Speaker 1: No suspicious activity.
Speaker 2: There, nothing to see here.
Speaker 3: Oh so I gotta go.
Speaker 2: Yeah yah, I got out. But you know, it's interesting
Speaker 2: because that scene right before she goes back to the
Speaker 2: apartment to like do a little slew thing, it was
Speaker 2: my favorite moment of Shannon in this episode.
Speaker 1: And she.
Speaker 2: Is such a good listener. She is so good at listening.
Speaker 2: And I remember, I don't remember, I forgot who the
Speaker 2: acting coach was. He told me basically was saying the
Speaker 2: best actors are the best listeners. Because I think that
Speaker 2: was me, actually maybe Val Kilmer. I think Val Kelmer
Speaker 2: said it to in an interview when during Tombstone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, truly, it's fifty percent of your job. That's
Speaker 1: the other half of your job is that you have
Speaker 1: to not be thinking about your next line. You have
Speaker 1: to be listening to what the person is saying. And
Speaker 1: BK will attest to this that sometimes when I feel
Speaker 1: like someone's not listening to me, or they're too far
Speaker 1: in their own head, that I will say something different
Speaker 1: or do something different just to like juke you back
Speaker 1: into the moment and being present, which is kind of
Speaker 1: where as you said, the magic happens exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what made in this episode really
Speaker 2: stand out in a way that I hadn't thought about
Speaker 2: previously because now I'm looking at with a different through
Speaker 2: a different lens. But like, she was so good listening
Speaker 2: to Jackie in that hospital scene, like ask some questions
Speaker 2: and like really genuinely listening, and it was just it
Speaker 2: was a delight to watch because you're like, God, it's
Speaker 2: she's just there listening and like to Jackie kind of
Speaker 2: tell the story about Aviva and like how troubled she is.
Speaker 2: And it was quick. It wasn't a big scene by
Speaker 2: any stretch, but it really landed for me in regards
Speaker 2: to like this episode specifically, it was like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: my favorite moment with her this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Shannon was so thrilled to do any investigative performances,
Speaker 1: you know, anything that can make people think and make
Speaker 1: you think and the puzzle piecing as the networks like
Speaker 1: to call it, you know, putting the puzzles together and
Speaker 1: puzzle piecing programming. So much so that one of shannon
Speaker 1: i'e projects for this year, she was trying to sell
Speaker 1: a pilot of US rebooting. Yes, I said the R
Speaker 1: word of Cagney and Lacy.
Speaker 2: Hmm, a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah it would have been, but yeah, she was. She's
Speaker 1: into playing the detective roles for sure. So Phoebe finally
Speaker 1: comes to her senses after trying to torpedo Piper's battleship
Speaker 1: this entire time, as if.
Speaker 2: She's distracted by I think Phoebe is at this stage
Speaker 2: in the game probably the easy, the most easily manipulated,
Speaker 2: which is what said, Yeah, Callie Collie. Kelly addresses very
Speaker 2: quickly like this is the one you need to kind
Speaker 2: of like you get in her good graces or get
Speaker 2: her on your side, like you can it will be
Speaker 2: a very quick succession of things that will ultimately allow
Speaker 2: you to get what you want. And yeah, I think
Speaker 2: so Phoebe SE's a like mindedness in her, probably like
Speaker 2: or a similar spirit more than anything else. And it's
Speaker 2: just kind of being played. Aviva plays her perfectly like
Speaker 2: a fiddle.
Speaker 1: And then she finally has her her power finally kicks in,
Speaker 1: and she has a premonition that she's going to kill Prue. Right,
Speaker 1: fireball Central.
Speaker 2: She goes and tries to stop it, and Aviva accidentally
Speaker 2: fires the fireball at her, you know, but then Phoebe
Speaker 2: still covers for her in that moment, you know, like
Speaker 2: when you guys all show up and go what happened?
Speaker 2: She's like, and then that's now Prue, after doing some
Speaker 2: slew thing, has come and you guys have this moment
Speaker 2: in the kitchen where you're all talking about the fact
Speaker 2: that it's actually not Aviva. There's something bigger at play, right, Demons, demons, demons, damons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's where they understand. You know, Aviva
Speaker 3: is Phoebe. If Phoebe didn't have sisters and a purpose, right,
Speaker 3: so that's the dark side. Yeah, Like if Phoebe didn't
Speaker 3: have her two sisters and a purpose and have already
Speaker 3: found it. I think she is a Viva and that's
Speaker 3: why they're close and understand each other. And then you know,
Speaker 3: when she comes in angry at you guys after all this,
Speaker 3: I think I think that's where you're like, Okay, we
Speaker 3: can help.
Speaker 1: Her, right, Birds of a feather.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Phoebe has a soft spot for it because she
Speaker 3: knows that could.
Speaker 1: Have been her if she just took that left turn
Speaker 1: at Albuquerque. So Viva does at least have a crisis
Speaker 1: of conscience that she doesn't want to conscience that she
Speaker 1: doesn't want to hurt people anymore. After you know, throwing
Speaker 1: the ant down the stairs in a ball of flames,
Speaker 1: she's decided that. You know, Phoebe's burn on her arm
Speaker 1: is over the line.
Speaker 2: Listen, it's the straw. There's a reason why that, there's
Speaker 2: a reason why that term exists. It's just that one
Speaker 2: last little bit that's too much, too much.
Speaker 1: This is why I don't have mirrors in my house.
Speaker 2: Just freaky stuff, freaky stuff, freaky thank you. So the
Speaker 2: girls go up to the attic, Aviva gets possessed by Cali,
Speaker 2: and you know, infiltrates the manner.
Speaker 1: And this is a great acting moment for her fourth
Speaker 1: sister where she has to be possessed and then not possessed.
Speaker 1: That truly creeped me out.
Speaker 2: She did great. I can't wait to talk about that.
Speaker 3: Even before that, when she before she comes through the
Speaker 3: sussessed and she looks at the mirror and the mirrors like, hey,
Speaker 3: aren't you going to touch me to say goodbye?
Speaker 2: And we all know it's a setup, like, don't do it.
Speaker 2: I actually said that out loud.
Speaker 3: But she played this moment like I know I shouldn't,
Speaker 3: and she's like, but she felt a connection, so she's
Speaker 3: like okay, Like she really fought against herself in that
Speaker 3: moment to decide to touch it, like I know I shouldn't,
Speaker 3: but ah, this person cares about me and I care,
Speaker 3: like real vulnerability as she got possessed. I thought that
Speaker 3: was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Well, there is that that message, you know, the teenage
Speaker 1: message where it's like these are the hardest years of
Speaker 1: your life and you're a good kid, even if you
Speaker 1: feel like an outsider. There's all these very spelling messages
Speaker 1: tied up in this one.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, subtle themes.
Speaker 1: I like it very subtle, but there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like the I think the finale, the
Speaker 2: final kind of battle scene, I thought that was really
Speaker 2: cool where you freeze her and then Aviva immediately falls
Speaker 2: out of her. I thought that was dope. I thought
Speaker 2: was really cool. And then you the mirror and the thing.
Speaker 2: I like, I like this episode.
Speaker 1: You're liking it.
Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, I'm feeling it. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: remember how I liked that where I felt last time,
Speaker 2: but I really like, I really enjoyed it today.
Speaker 1: Really. The only part I didn't really enjoy is actually
Speaker 1: the ending where it's angry Andy. He's very very angry,
Speaker 1: a little too angry for me. I mean, I get
Speaker 1: being like stood up and you know, plans get canceled
Speaker 1: and all the things, but does that really like like
Speaker 1: Prue says, are you telling me you don't want to
Speaker 1: see me? Is this a breakup? Is this a breakup scene?
Speaker 1: And he don't know because he don't know nothing.
Speaker 3: He's hurt.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know. I don't know if that's love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a little like aggressive, like, bro, you're stalking
Speaker 3: me Stoker Andy, angry angry Andy, because I'm in love.
Speaker 1: No love the fine line between love and hate and
Speaker 1: especially for Andy. But no, speaking of favorite prewe moment,
Speaker 1: So my favorite crew moment of this episode was actually
Speaker 1: that scene because she got pretty weepy, little teary eyed
Speaker 1: over Andy. And I know Shannon, as you know, an actor,
Speaker 1: was kind of like on the fence about this relationship,
Speaker 1: and so to watch her, really she's just so dedicated
Speaker 1: and committed to the moment that you actually feel for
Speaker 1: angry Andy. She made us like angry Andy, I blame her, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. BK, do you have a favorite crew moment?
Speaker 3: I mean there were a few shots of her word
Speaker 3: just so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, uh.
Speaker 3: I think I kind of agree it through I like
Speaker 3: what she did in the hospital. You know, you had
Speaker 3: all these other moments, anger thing stuff, but when when
Speaker 3: she got in there and she you know, like you said, listened,
Speaker 3: it was we got to see a piece of humanity
Speaker 3: of her character that was kind of outside of everything
Speaker 3: else she's doing, which was kind of genuine. It was great.
Speaker 3: But there were a few shots in there and you know,
Speaker 3: they had the soft light and the thing the stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, it's like a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, you would.
Speaker 3: I think percent Leo had the antenna going, we all did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I think that Uh I think that about
Speaker 2: sums it up.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's about does it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like this episode.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great recap. Thank you guys so
Speaker 2: much for checking out how Sallow Well.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys, Catch you next time
Speaker 3: You