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Speaker 1: What does it take to run, walk, hike twenty two

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Speaker 1: the David Rutherford Show. All right, everybody, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: tell you one of the greatest places that I've ever

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Speaker 1: lived in my entire life was out in Ashville, North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: I love North Carolina as it is, but out in

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Speaker 1: the hiking and the running trails that were there. And

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Speaker 1: so when I'd come back from overseas, I'd get home,

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Speaker 1: and my way to find that piece in my heart

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Speaker 1: in my head post deployment craziness was to get out

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Speaker 1: on the Appalachian Trail with my dog Zulu and just

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Speaker 1: out into the wilderness. Well, today, my guest is a

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Speaker 1: gentleman named Jeff Garmeyer, and recently he finished an unsupported

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Speaker 1: southbound Appalachian trail and set a record for forty five days,

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Speaker 1: eight hours, and thirty seven minutes, beating the former record

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Speaker 1: of Joe my favorite string being McConaughey at forty five days,

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Speaker 2: And he's just.

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Speaker 1: Waiting on the faster known time organization to set the

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Speaker 1: trail record for this incredible feat. So, without further ado,

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Speaker 1: I am so honored to welcome ultra endurance athlete Jeff

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Speaker 1: Garmyer to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Jeff for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm glad you've experienced the

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Speaker 3: trail as well on your runs. It's a pretty rugged

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Speaker 1: You know what I used to think, like, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to crust this. At that time, I was.

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Speaker 2: Doing long run in Florida, where I live.

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Speaker 1: We moved up to North Carolina, and I swear to

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Speaker 1: and I mean and the trail itself is hazardous you

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Speaker 1: There's so many great trail runners out there and the

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Speaker 2: And guidance, so that that really helped me for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, miles are a lot slower out there than on

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Speaker 3: But that's what makes it fun too, is it's so

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Speaker 3: engaging because every step matters. There's usually a route or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I think you know what I

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Speaker 1: I remember doing long range of rock runs and stuff

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Speaker 1: You never like your equipment is never where it needs

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Speaker 1: and there's just you know something that you know, nature,

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Speaker 1: trying to conquer it for sure, totally.

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Speaker 3: And what I love about it is you just never

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Speaker 3: That's what kind of just on the general sense why

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Speaker 3: but it's like, yeah, but you're also thinking twenty hours

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Speaker 2: Oh at all people, And that I think, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: For me, that was the one of the most rewarding

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Speaker 2: You know, it really is.

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Speaker 1: It is about the problem solving of the environment, the

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Speaker 3: There weren't just schedules or courses or the curriculum for

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Speaker 3: that was just such a valuable thing to learn in

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Speaker 3: the most rudimentary sense compared to college. Felt like it

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Speaker 2: That's such a beautiful story.

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Speaker 1: Man. It's crazy to me that those one little single

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Speaker 1: that moment, that transformational moment, and it's not like you're, hey,

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Speaker 1: It's just the revelation that can take place in that

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Speaker 1: My next door neighbor, Tony Gronsky, gave me a book

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Speaker 1: And you know, fast forward four years later, when I

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Speaker 1: And it's just that that Washern's recycle, repeat thing of

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Speaker 2: And I was in that same thing too. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I love your podcast, the Free Outside Podcast. The name

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Speaker 1: is so cool, and that's that's what it is, right Like,

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Speaker 3: how each other is doing, or what you've done in

439
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Speaker 3: the past, or what you care about. That's kind of

440
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 3: what all of this I think is built on, is

441
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: it's eliminating kind of these constructs that just didn't really

442
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 3: feel like I was enjoying them, and that's kind of

443
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: what led to the depression and kind of leaving that

444
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: world behind to general as well.

445
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, brother, that's really, that's really that's a pretty

446
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: profound observation.

447
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing that.

448
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into kind of the technical realities

449
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: of Obviously you had grown a custom, you figured out,

450
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: you became an expert in this type of endeavor.

451
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: What walk me through?

452
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to go for the record, and

453
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: then how you begin to plan for that and execute

454
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: that totally. Yeah, So what I think of everything and

455
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: coaching philosophy is the same on specificity, like if this

456
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: is the goal, this is how we need to get there,

457
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: which means I need to come up with every factor

458
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: and have that dialed going in and then also consider

459
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: what could go wrong. So for probably the first thing

460
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: I would start with is thinking about nutrition.

461
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: So I probably initially thought like eight thousand calories a day.

462
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: Maybe you move up to ten thousand, and it's like, okay,

463
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 3: I have to carry all this. So it's a calories

464
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 3: per announce equation on what is the most efficient. And

465
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 3: so I did a training camp on the exact terrain

466
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 3: to Maine and train with it out there. I tested

467
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: gear as well, but the main thing that came back

468
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, maybe all of these nuts are extremely high,

469
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: like one hundred and sixty calories announced, but I can't

470
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: eat them as much as I want to. So it's

471
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: like we got to we got to shift strategies a

472
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: little bit here. We have to come up with some

473
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 3: alternatives that maybe more diverse palate and can stomach these

474
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 3: a little bit easier, something a little easier, and the

475
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 3: heat to consume. So that's how I dial in food.

476
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: And that what I would do is I had forty

477
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 3: five days, so I took every single day, I prepackaged

478
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 3: all my food, so like in basically like a bulk

479
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 3: food section plastic bag that would hold eight to ten

480
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: thousand calories, and that would I would need to get

481
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 3: through that every day. So when I'm on the trail,

482
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: I want to eliminate as many decisions as I can.

483
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: And so it's like I can eat anything in this

484
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: bag at any time, but for today, I need to

485
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: just finish it. And so that is it gives the

486
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: freedom out there to eat something salty or something sweet,

487
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: depending on what you feel like. But you know that

488
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: your end goal is to get through that, and so

489
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: I think of that as like micro goals. So every

490
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: day has micro goals like get to a certain campside

491
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: or consume amount of calories. And then how I break

492
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: down the gear is everything, I mean carrying everything, and

493
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 3: more you carry, the more calories you need and the

494
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: harder it is and the more on your muscles. So

495
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 3: it's like we want to get down and eliminate as

496
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: many items as possible, and then we want to have

497
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: like dual use items. So maybe that is using my

498
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 3: tart that I would sleep under that could also be

499
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 3: used as a rain jacket or extra insulation to wrap

500
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 3: around myself, and just things like that, like what's the

501
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: and then testing things like what's the least amount of

502
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: clothing possible that I can be not comfortable because you're

503
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: not doing a record attempt to be comfortable, but to

504
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 3: get through it. So it's just like how what are

505
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: the multi use things? How do I intimantly know my

506
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: gear so that if it gets unseasonably colder and seasonably wet,

507
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 3: I had these tools that I can pull out and

508
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: use in the gear side. So an example of that

509
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: in the training camp that I did out in Maine

510
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: was it was quite foggy, and I had a headlamp,

511
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: but it was getting I guess refracted or Boston the

512
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: fogs that I couldn't see so well. So I thought of, like, well,

513
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 3: what if I mounted a bracket to my waist belt

514
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: so that it was closer to the ground so I

515
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: could see where my footsteps were. And so that's what

516
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 3: I did. I had a little plastic mount. They would go,

517
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: that's cool, yeah, the waste belt of my pack, and

518
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: so that solved that problem. So it was really just

519
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: come up with the baseline, the initial plan, and then

520
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: brought both my experience and then also I'm a pretty

521
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: creative person, so let's creatively come up with all the

522
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: things that can go wrong and think of like what

523
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: are possible solutions, what are possible tools, what are ways

524
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: we can work on these? And I go to the

525
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: so on a few times a week, and that's kind

526
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: of the thing. My exercise I love doing in there

527
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: is like, what's something that could go wrong? How am

528
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: I going to solve it? Doesn't yeah, yeah, And it

529
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that you have to come up with every

530
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: problem and solve every problem. But I think just learning

531
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: that mindset is so important in life. We're never going

532
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: to know everything that's going to go wrong, but if

533
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: you know what to do when something goes wrong, I

534
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: think you're even more You're way more trained than me

535
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: and this, but I think that's like the basis of life.

536
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: It's not going to go according to plans, So how

537
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: are you going to deal with it?

538
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: Well?

539
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: That's that's that is like no truer statement has ever

540
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: been made. Right. Life is inevitably imbued with suffering and pain.

541
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: There's just it's part of the thing when whatever context

542
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: you're looking at, And so it really is about managing

543
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: those reactions right. And and like I remember when we

544
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: started doing mission profile and mission.

545
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: Planning and you're like, okay, the there'll be this much

546
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: a loom.

547
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: You have to make it this far with this amount

548
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: of water you have to you can you only have

549
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: this many rounds?

550
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: You know.

551
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: It's all that weight distribution and how much water versus

552
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: fuel and all that.

553
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: When you're getting picked up, how you know just like

554
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: what you're describing.

555
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: But the thing for me was, well, what happens if

556
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: we get here and the enemy does this or this

557
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: or this, and what happens in this and then you

558
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: start getting into that like over complicating it, and I always,

559
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, the response that they would always give to

560
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: us is it's situationally dependent. And you're like, oh, oh

561
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: what does that mean. They're like, stop asking so many

562
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: damn questions. Right, if you've been trained, you know that

563
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: as problems that distilled down to the base problem. Am

564
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: I getting enough nutrition every day? Am I properly hydrated?

565
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: Right? Are my feet gonna last? Right?

566
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: Am I going to get hype out? And then do

567
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: I know where I'm going? And you know, other than that,

568
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: the other stuff you can kind of deal with. And

569
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: so I love you know that that that.

570
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: It's it's a game for you, right.

571
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: It's like you're you know, you're sitting there, You're you're

572
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: putting it up on this dashboard of your mind or

573
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: this gps your mind, and you're like, Okay, this could

574
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: take place, this could take place, but but you've already

575
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: thought through. So when you were hit with something like

576
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember watching the video of your shoe

577
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: just getting destroyed. Can you walk through when you got

578
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: hit with a few different problem sets, the process in

579
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: your mind, the solution and then managing like, God.

580
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: This sucks, this sucks, this sucks, this sucks. Right. Can

581
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: you walk through that for people?

582
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: Because I agree if we can somehow in this show,

583
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: like give an example of what you're talking about on

584
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: how to mitigate the the mental impact of consequence versus right,

585
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, proper preparation and then mental adjustment, right, being

586
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: emotionally adroit to where we are consumed with that negativity

587
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: and then fighting the problem even though we dealt with

588
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: it and we're still moving forward.

589
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: I know that's a lot, Sorry.

590
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: But you under totally. Yeah, there's a number of examples.

591
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: This went far from perfect, probably more things than any

592
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: other record attempt to happen. Why wrong on this? But

593
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 3: I mean it makes it fun and an engaging story.

594
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: So there's a couple of memorable stories, but one is

595
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: specifically so I mailed out eighteen boxes that had all

596
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: my food that I'd tried out nutrition dialed. I knew

597
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: it worked for my stomach. And in Shenandoah National Park,

598
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: about thirteen hundred miles into this twenty two hundred mile journey,

599
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: I go to this lodge that I had mailed the

600
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: box too, and I ask word and they say that

601
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: it's not here. So they look again and it's not here.

602
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: And this is the longest stretch It's one hundred and

603
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: sixty miles there that I need nutrition for. So this

604
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: is not good. It's immediate panic. And then it's just like, okay,

605
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: well it's not here. This is my mindset of this

606
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: where my mind goes, So it goes it's not here.

607
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 3: So I'm solving nothing by killing more time here, Like

608
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: I can't can't get any nutrition that I need here,

609
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: and so I saw that there is a wayside basically

610
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: it for this little store about five miles further. So

611
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: I it's like, okay, this is my next option. So

612
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to go here. So that's what I do.

613
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: And I get there and it's the day after Labor Day,

614
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: and on Labor Day there hours change, so this store

615
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: is closed. So now we're round two of like, Okay,

616
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: this first problem solving method did not work. Now I'm

617
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: down to like a handful of peanuts. I have like

618
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: five hundred calories and the only option from here is

619
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: there's a store in thirty two miles that I can

620
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: It's like basically a gas station where I can resupply enough.

621
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: And so it just became Okay, I have thirty two

622
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: miles to go. I have just like a handful of

623
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: peanuts to get there. So this is going to be miserable,

624
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: basically a fasted fifty kilometer adventure here and then so

625
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: as I'm going, it's like the emotional roller coaster because

626
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 3: it's just thinking because there's more problems present. It's not

627
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: that I don't have food. It's said, if you don't

628
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: have food for a day, your body's going to be

629
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: weak for the days to come. And so it's just like, Okay,

630
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 3: I need to figure this out. And I'm very frustrated

631
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: at the same time, but it's like, okay, first step,

632
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: I just need to get to this store. And as

633
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: I get closer after a night of sleep, tried to

634
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: sleep a little extra to have some form of energy.

635
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: As I'm getting to the store, it's like, Okay, so

636
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to be able to solve this food problem.

637
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 3: It's not going to be the food that I've trained with,

638
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: but I can I can at least fill that void.

639
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: But the problems present are that I'm going to have

640
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: a lack of energy for the next few days. I'm

641
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: already going into this store having basically fasted for the

642
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: last twelve or so hours. So it's like I need

643
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: to stop at this store and consume as many calories

644
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: as I can, and then I can set up how

645
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: much I've be eating to ten thousand calories a day

646
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: for at least the next week or so. And not

647
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: only did my box that was missing have all my nutrition,

648
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: it also had my power bank that was keeping my

649
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: tracker charged, my head leg urged my and I had

650
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: a spare pair of socks, and so it was a

651
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: lot deeper problem than that. So it was just like,

652
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: I need to have a tracker, so I can have

653
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 3: this verified, and I have my watch as a backup,

654
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: and I have this tracker. So it was like, well,

655
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: I can charge them up while I'm eating all these

656
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: calories I can, and then for the next three days,

657
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: I can switch like one day on my watch, one

658
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 3: day on the tracker to try to save as much

659
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: battery as possible, and then use my head lamp on

660
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: dim and just go a little bit slower. But it's

661
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: just like the example of I think in life like

662
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 3: a big problem, it's like it's got all these little,

663
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: like compounding issues that you have to solve along with them,

664
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: and when the solutions are there's just very few options.

665
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 3: When you don't have a car and you're out there

666
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: is that's where that problem solving mindset kind of takes place.

667
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: So for the next three days or so, I ate

668
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: more calories. It was not the calories I trained with,

669
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: but you know, I made it work. I sort of

670
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: had to have this talk with myself on I could

671
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: write this off because I've just heard my body's chances

672
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 3: by starving it for a day, or I could just say, well,

673
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: I'm still on pace, I've still got a chance. We

674
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: just hold on to this, And that's kind of my

675
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: mindset in everything in life. If you've still got a chance,

676
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: you still need to give one hundred percent. So it's

677
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: basically like, I've still got a chance. So we're just

678
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: going to see how this plays out. We don't have

679
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: to decide that this killed my adventure before it actually

680
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 3: does or something. So that's yeah, that's probably the biggest

681
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: example of one thing goes wrong at compounds and you

682
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: just have to come up with a way to problem solve,

683
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: and I'm consuming more calories. I slowly upped the mileage

684
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: after that and was able to get back on track.

685
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: But it was the scariest part of that was just

686
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: knowing that my body is going to suffer from this

687
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: issue for multiple days, but not letting that impact the present.

688
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: So it's like I can do the best of this moment,

689
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 3: but I can't decide how I'm gonna feel tomorrow until

690
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 3: it happens.

691
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: I love that concept, right that, right, I think that

692
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: is the thing that impedes so many people both from

693
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: accessing the freedom that you're talking about. And people will

694
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: hear me say that, and the freedom we mean the

695
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: dude's body was eating itself, right, is His stomach was

696
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: like eating its interior lining right, he was his muscle

697
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: tissue was being devoured. Right, you know every reserve you had,

698
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: plus the sleep depp, plus you know the angst of

699
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: like you're dehydration or whatever, all that compounding thing.

700
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: You know, there's no freedom in that. And I say,

701
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: there there.

702
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: Is because you know in that moment you made that decision,

703
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: like there's still hope. And for me, like I've been

704
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: in a lot of those different moments whereas like, oh no,

705
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: you're not quitting.

706
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 2: There's there's no way you're quitting, Like it's just there's

707
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: not an option, right.

708
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: You know, there have been in many moments, even in

709
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: those moments where it's like, man, I should quit, and

710
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: then that little voice, whatever that is is, you know,

711
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: which is I believe correlated to the sensation of freedom.

712
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: And I think it's counterintuitive because I think people people

713
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: have a tendency to aggregate real pain with some type

714
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: of debilitating restriction, right, and the thought of the pain

715
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: that's coming in the future precludes us overly from releasing

716
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: the chains, right or the self imposed limitations.

717
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: To get out there and explore who you really are.

718
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: And that's the beauty.

719
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: That's where you're free because you're discovering. Yeah, dude, I

720
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: just starve myself in a thirty two mile just brutal,

721
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: like foodless, like you know, try to figure this out.

722
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: And then you're in the store and I can only

723
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: imagine like trying to say, all right, I'm not gonna

724
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: have ring dings. Maybe some beef jerky, you know, there's tough.

725
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: Some like peanuts are probably just saturated in salt. But

726
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: you're at that point, republic salt's good. But like picking

727
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: and choosing and then going to yourself, like you can

728
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: just sit there and stew on the reality of Oh man,

729
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat this, and I know I'm gonna pay

730
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: for my stomach later. I know, oh this is I

731
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: don't have the right socks. I'm gonna pay for that.

732
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: But you you had this amazing ability to stifle all

733
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: that and like we said, be in the moment of

734
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: what I need right now, and what I need right

735
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: now is this, and then I'll worry about what I

736
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: need next when it hits me. And I just think,

737
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: like that is the story, Like that's the essence.

738
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: If we can figure out how to teach.

739
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: Right like tens of millions of people out there that

740
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: there's a way to get to that freedom, you know,

741
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: like that seems to be the thing, and you know,

742
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: and I just find it fascinating. It's just really impressive

743
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: to how you describe it all right after you solved

744
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: it and started to get your body back, you know,

745
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: and your conscious back in terms of the focus and

746
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: what you needed to do in order to execute.

747
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: Did it seem easier after that? Wow?

748
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: Good question. I think it seemed it seemed different, like

749
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: I'd overcome this thing and then I made this conscious decision,

750
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: which I think we can all do in life of

751
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 3: like I don't need to create future problems, like I

752
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: don't need to worry about tomorrow or people in a marathon.

753
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: A mile ten, it's like you don't need to be like, well,

754
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: I can't do this for the next sixteen miles. It's

755
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: like you don't need to just do it for the

756
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: first mile and then do it another mile and then

757
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: you'll get to the end. But it created this very

758
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: present feeling on like Okay, now I've gone through a

759
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: few different issues out here, and I'm still I've still

760
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: got a chance. And so I think it made it.

761
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 3: It was like the peak of motivation, and it sort

762
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: of got to this I think of things and thirds

763
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 3: I like to where it's like the first third you're

764
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: figuring out how to do everything, the second third you're

765
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: setting yourself up for that final push. And so I've

766
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: gotten into that last third by this point too, so

767
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: it's like I can take the reins off a little

768
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: bit push. This schedule followed a little bit more sleep deprivation,

769
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: and it was just I think more so empowering that

770
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: it's like I got through this, my body is moving well,

771
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: I can do these big days.

772
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: That it was a.

773
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: Little hesitant or having trouble with it even a week ago,

774
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: that it just gave me this sense of like, Okay,

775
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: I got through that. I know I can get through

776
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: every other issue that's going to come up. Will I

777
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: get the record. I don't know, we don't know what's

778
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: going to happen, but I've got a shot and I

779
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 3: can give everything to this now. I think it just

780
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: gave me the empowerment to, I guess go all in

781
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 3: or feel like they're less training wheels at that point

782
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: on I've gone through so much like we might as

783
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: well just throw out all at the wall at this point.

784
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: I love that, man, because that again, that goes back

785
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: to that space where it's just like all everything just

786
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: falls off you and it's just like I am, I'm

787
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: a hundred, I'm in. I call it a focused obsession

788
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: right where it's not it's not a detrimental obsession that

789
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: destroys you.

790
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: It's it's the focused obsession.

791
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: That allows you to kind of go through the you know,

792
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: the the eye of the needle right or walk the

793
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: razor's edge or whatever whatever metaphorical you know, poetic metaphor

794
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: that's been used in the past by by great authors

795
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: or explorers or whomever. Can you give an example of

796
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: in that final third leading up to what a daily

797
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: routine look like? And and and then and then maybe

798
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: discuss a little bit of that sleep depth, because for

799
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: people who've never been sleep deprived before, you don't know

800
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: what you're missing, and especially when you combine you're doing

801
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: these ultra elite endurance things in the midst of it. So,

802
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: will you give us a typical day towards the end

803
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 1: where you're really driving?

804
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: How much distance?

805
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: You know, how long do you stop the bathroom, you know,

806
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: what do you do to like? Just give us that

807
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: and then talk about the sleep debt. That'd be awesome, totally.

808
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think of the days during these record attempts,

809
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: so they're all twenty four hour days, and that's kind

810
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: of how I structure it. So it's like, Okay, I

811
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: want to get two hours of sleep, but I'm gonna

812
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 3: so we're gonna kind of do it backwards. So I'll

813
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: be hiking the night before, and then I'll get to

814
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: maybe some days it's eleven PM, maybe some days it's

815
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: one am, maybe some days it's three am. And then

816
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: that's where that two hours of sleep is going to

817
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 3: fall because I want it to be the most efficient,

818
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: Like I'm going to be sleeping that full two hours,

819
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: like I I'm ready to fall asleep, and so wherever

820
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: I need that sleep, whatever I've decided is the duration,

821
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: that's where that's going to fall, and it's just going

822
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: to be where my body needs it. And then I

823
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: wake up, and then it's I can pack up in

824
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: probably two and a half or three minutes a couple

825
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 3: of years ago at a time to I think I'm

826
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: a little quicker even now. And so on the top

827
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: of my bag, I pull out my food for the day.

828
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: About half of it goes in my front pockets or

829
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: in my pockets, and as I'm going, the first thing

830
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: I'll do is I'll brush my teeth while moving, so

831
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: I'm already logging miles. My head lamp is on, and

832
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: then I'll have Usually this strategy is just two items

833
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: per hour of what I'm eating to keep it extremely simple.

834
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 3: They can be anything that's in that bag for the day,

835
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: just two items just to kind of stay on track

836
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: with nutrition. And then water sources will fall anywhere from

837
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: three to ten miles. I guess between them, and that

838
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: as I'm between these sources. I'm kind of calculating how

839
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: water works out the rest of the day so that

840
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: I know what I need to carry if a stream

841
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: is dry and I need to carry more or drink

842
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: more at that stream. And it's gotten light at this point,

843
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 3: and it's pretty much continual movement the whole day unless

844
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 3: I'm collecting water. Everything is accessible except for maybe one

845
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: mid day break where I just grab the other half

846
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: of my food from the top of my pack and

847
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: move it into the accessible pockets, and then I go

848
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: into the evening again, and then there's always just a

849
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 3: little I think, just as we're programmed as humans, there's

850
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 3: always a little bit of dread as the night starts,

851
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: because it gets harder, like you just it's hard to

852
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: stay awake. It's like I'm going to be tired, and

853
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: there's always I sleep think of sleep deprivation is like

854
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: there's this this wall or a plateau or something, and

855
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: you have to get up over it, and then you

856
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: can stay way longer than you think. But it's really

857
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: easy to give up on that like really hard wall

858
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: in front of you that's just held you with everything,

859
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: Like you're so tired your eyes can't stay open. But

860
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: if you get through that, for some reason, it gets easier,

861
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: like your body accepts it and you're away, and now

862
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: you're not operating at one hundred percent. Maybe you're eighty percent.

863
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: You're moving fine, but your brain is tired, so it's

864
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: playing tricks on you. So a stick may look like

865
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 3: a snake slitherin in front of you. There's like shimmers

866
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 3: of leaves that turn into objects or stumps are the worst.

867
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: They always turn into like bears or something like that.

868
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 3: So these are the hallucinations that kind of with sleep deprivation.

869
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 3: When I was about five or six, my parents for

870
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: some reason watched Jumanji with me, and I had nightmares

871
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: about the Safari guy that has the rifle and is

872
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 3: hunting them down. And so when I I experienced sleep deprivation,

873
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: about ninety percent of the time, he'll pop up somewhere

874
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: and it's not it's not so fearful now, but it's

875
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: just like this thing persists, just all the way back

876
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 3: from thirty years ago.

877
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, I.

878
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: Think, I don't know, what do you do? You have

879
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 3: anything to add on the sleep deprivation side. It's so

880
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: hard to explain it is.

881
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 1: I had no idea until hell week and and then

882
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: it was just I mean we started I started first

883
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: hallucinating probably I don't know seventy hours in, but like

884
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: my brain was playing tricks on me fifty five sixty

885
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: hours in. By seventy I'm in that complete cognitive disassociation.

886
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: You know, my my physical self is fighting my emotional

887
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: you know, one minute I'm caving in the next minute,

888
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm screaming who yeah, you know, and I'm just kind

889
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: of trying to feed off other dudes. And but like

890
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: that Thursday night, we're doing around the world where we

891
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: paddle all the way around San Diego and Coronado and

892
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: it's like a sixteen hour paddle, and we were paddling

893
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: in San Diego Bay and there's like Volkswagen bugs driving

894
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: down the middle of of of San Diego Bay. And

895
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: like I had one one like we were paddling, and

896
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: this one there were seals popping up on parts of it,

897
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: like they just pop up, check you out. Well, this

898
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: this head pops up and I'm like, oh, look at

899
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: that ceil, And.

900
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: This seal looks at me and goes, what's up? Rut?

901
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like what it ended up being

902
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: my body who was trying to sneak pizzas in Copenhagen

903
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: out to his buddy's boat crew.

904
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: So like I was like, dude, what's up man?

905
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: And he's like, hey, where's where's you know, where's Bick's

906
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: boat crew?

907
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: And I was like what do you mean? He's like

908
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: I got dip for him. I'm like, can I have something?

909
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: He's like, no, bro, And I was like, so.

910
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: Like, it's it's it's I think what it is is

911
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: it makes you realize how elastic if you are, how

912
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: elastic your uh the governor is in your body, in

913
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: your soul. Right we I think we because of those

914
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 1: nightmares as a kid, because of the depression of being

915
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: young men or whatever you're dealing with in your life,

916
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: those those things translate into things that restrict us, right,

917
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: and they they force us to whether we were conscientious

918
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: about the pullback.

919
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: Or we're we're we're we're.

920
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: It's in our subconscious we're just it's fear right that

921
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: pulls us. But once you kind of kind of persevere

922
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: through the whole thing, right, you begin to realize whoa, whoa,

923
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot more elasticity in my perceptions, Like I

924
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: can I can stretch this.

925
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: Way further than I ever dreamed of.

926
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: And I think once you have, once you know you

927
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: can do that, Like I said before, it gives you

928
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: the freedom to really explore who you are in all

929
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: these different average And I like when I work with

930
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: my private coaching clients, you know and performance stuff, the

931
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: first thing I always want to do is test them

932
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: physically and usually within an endurance thing. And what I

933
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: always like to do, because not very many people are proficient,

934
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: is put them into water, right because it's your fish

935
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: out of water type thing. And so like I think

936
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: when I watch people struggle in that you can because

937
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: I think I've gone through so many of those battles

938
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: in terms of stretching my perceptions of ability.

939
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 2: It was sleep dep involved.

940
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: Like it's like I can see it happening in a

941
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: person and for for me, like that's one of those

942
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: revelatory experiences. And that's what you get in this, Like

943
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: you get this sensation like like I would I would

944
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: love to have been like a little drone over your head,

945
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: watch your pace change or your gate length or like

946
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: the strength and and and and the efficiency. Like you said, man,

947
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: I can pack my kit in in and out in

948
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: two minutes, Like people don't if you're not doing that,

949
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: People don't understand the levels of proficiencies that come with

950
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: being acute in your movements, right, And I would have

951
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: loved to watch you feel that sense of of strength

952
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: even in the sleep depth, even in the the physical

953
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: the physical uh.

954
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: Grind that was on you? Was there, Like could you

955
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: feel that taking place?

956
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: In particular as you're getting closer to the end, was

957
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: there this feeling like, oh, I'm not going to beat

958
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: it because I know you're close.

959
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 2: I mean you're pretty close to the last.

960
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: Tell me about that, Like that that sense of confidence

961
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: building and then the battle with the time itself to

962
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: set the record.

963
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I did the first half in about twenty

964
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: four days, which means that I was behind by considerable amount.

965
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: Of course, the northern half is the hardest half, and

966
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 3: so that that made it this battle against doubt the

967
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: rest of the time. When my whole mantra, my whole

968
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 3: goal from the beginning was I just want to have

969
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: a chance, like I want to have a shot as

970
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: laid into this thing as possible ideally till the end.

971
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: But you're never going to.

972
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 3: Know you're going to get a record early on, and

973
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 3: so it's just like the goal is to have that shot,

974
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: and sometimes that felt further away or that chance, but

975
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 3: it was still within reach or at least with the

976
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: eyesight metaphorically, And so as I got closer and I

977
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: bogged a couple like fifty five mile days, it was like, Okay,

978
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: I can do this. I just need to keep doing

979
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 3: this type of thing, and it kind of racked up

980
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: and felt this confidence on like Okay, this sleep deperation

981
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 3: it also comes in waves. So if you stay up

982
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 3: through a whole night, you'll be like real tired at ten,

983
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 3: and then you'll be like running through the woods for

984
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: an hour, and then it's going to hit you a

985
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 3: little bit harder the next time, and then it's going

986
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 3: to be easy again, and then it's going to hit

987
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 3: you harder. But I'd go through these waves and it's

988
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 3: like each wave that i'd battle, we're talking maybe the

989
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: last week of the adventure would be just like a

990
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 3: huge accomplishment or win and just like empowering. And then

991
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: that's when that pace would pick up and I'd move

992
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: quicker through the night and be like, Okay, I can

993
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 3: do this. I can get fifty six miles done. For

994
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 3: this twenty four hour span, and so it just kept

995
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: being these like little confidence boosters. And when you do

996
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 3: get really tired, and I would say I was critically

997
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 3: sleep deprived for probably eight or nine days. For the

998
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 3: at the end of it is you also get very emotional,

999
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 3: which I'm sure is really entertaining to see in the

1000
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: Seal training as well. You just see these incredible warriors

1001
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 3: that are so emotional.

1002
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: But I doubt that that was the thing, Like you're

1003
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: just open, You're flayed with your emotions.

1004
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1005
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And emotions are incredible, like we should all embrace

1006
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 3: them more because they are. They're a compass. They guide

1007
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: our lives. So it's just like when I get to

1008
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: the top of a climbing field, this huge sense of

1009
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: pride or accomplishment, It's like I can ride that for

1010
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 3: the next hour. And then when there's like a sense

1011
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: of doom or sadness or something at three am, it's like,

1012
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 3: maybe that's the signal that it's time to take my

1013
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 3: hour long nap or something. But it just became so

1014
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 3: raw and I could trust these emotions, which guided me

1015
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 3: through that last week. And before that, it was like

1016
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 3: fitness routine experience that guided it. And then when it's

1017
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 3: like still have a chance with a week left, it's

1018
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: like I need to give everything and that just trust

1019
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 3: that my bodied, mind and physical ability are aligned here

1020
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: and that I can get it. And so that's kind

1021
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 3: of how that final push went, and the crazy the

1022
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 3: craziest thing happened. It's happened a couple times, but the

1023
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 3: last probably five hours, when I had maybe fifteen or

1024
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: twenty miles to go, I had maybe ten hours to

1025
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 3: finish it. I knew I would finish it in five hours.

1026
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 3: And then suddenly that sprint, that drive was less strong,

1027
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 3: like it was just like I just need to get

1028
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: through this on this pad. This pushed the whole way

1029
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 3: when it was like, well I could be thirty minutes faster,

1030
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 3: thirty minutes lower. That was the hardest part of the

1031
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 3: whole trip, that last day of like, well, who cares,

1032
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to get this. I'm going to finish, but

1033
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 3: it's so it so hard to finish strong where it

1034
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 3: felt like there was less a question about this goal.

1035
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 3: It was more like a trivial amount that impacts it.

1036
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 3: That's the deepest I think I've ever had to dig

1037
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 3: of like I'm gonna get this, but I just need

1038
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: to get through these miles, like, I just got to

1039
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 3: keep going. There there's few no more tarrots dangling out there.

1040
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: It's there's no one out here. It's just monotonous. It

1041
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: became so hard that final bit.

1042
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: Oh god. And that's like, that's the interesting thing.

1043
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: And I think there's a correlation to that with with

1044
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: any endeavor that we seek to pursue, right, Like, there's

1045
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: you work up the courage within, the motivation behind the ambition,

1046
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: and then you start to apply the ambition and the

1047
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: motivation to a regiment of preparation and training and focus

1048
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: and determined nation you know, uh, preceding you know, uh

1049
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: with ideas that will enable you to solve problems in

1050
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: real time as you get But then you just got

1051
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: to cross the threshold and go and just you know,

1052
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: now you're in it. But then even within within something

1053
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: difficult in your life, there it always breaks out into

1054
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: these unique sections. I don't think anything hard I've ever

1055
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: tried to do didn't have these natural divisions that took place.

1056
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: And I love the way you describe it. As as

1057
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: as your emotions become raw, they become unfiltered, right they're

1058
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: happening in real time regardless of like you almost cease

1059
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: to have control over it, and it's your it's the

1060
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: proximity of the accomplishment that seems to be manipulating you

1061
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: a little bit, right, Like the goal itself regains the

1062
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: the power in you over you, and and then you

1063
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: and then you, and you like fight back and you're

1064
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: pushing it back against it and you're like, no, no,

1065
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to maintain my my sense of presence in

1066
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: what I'm doing right now in the time. Right. It's

1067
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: just just so you put that so perfectly, man, it's

1068
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: just really beautiful how you describe that.

1069
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: Take us to the.

1070
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: Crossing, like finishing the I know, obviously very very difficult.

1071
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're there, it's over. You just want

1072
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 1: to shut it down and go to sleep. But that

1073
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: and then can you then describe what it's like afterwards

1074
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: in that post trail letdown or transition or acclimatization back

1075
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: to normal. Can you just walk us through those final

1076
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: sections if you could?

1077
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would say for forty four and a

1078
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: half days it was like motivating, empowering, let's go for it.

1079
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 3: And then, as I alluded to, it just the last

1080
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,959
Speaker 3: couple hours 're like, just get this done, and it's done,

1081
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 3: and then it's just like so much relief. I'm like,

1082
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 3: it's like when you have to go to the bathroom

1083
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 3: and you get home, your body's ready to give up

1084
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 3: right before you get to the bathroom. That's sort of

1085
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 3: what it felt like. It's like my body wants this

1086
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 3: over and it can't quite be over. And then I

1087
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: finished immediate relief and then everything shuts down. Like I

1088
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: walked up Springer Mountain, got a thousand for a climb

1089
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: or so maybe a little more, and look great coming

1090
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 3: down that mountain. The mile to get to the car

1091
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 3: that was going to take me back to Atlanta, I

1092
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 3: was walking like I was one hundred years old. It's

1093
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: just like it's not a mental thing, like I wanted

1094
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 3: to be in that car and eating pizza as much

1095
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 3: as anything, but just somehow the body just once that

1096
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 3: goal and it's I think it proves how strong goals are.

1097
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: Is once that disappeared, ten minutes later, I can barely

1098
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 3: walk like it's it's so incredible. And then that lead

1099
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 3: into I've suddenly lost my routine, which I think we

1100
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 3: in today's age, it's like freedom everything, like do whatever

1101
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 3: you want, but I think we do need some baseline

1102
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: of routine, Like what's something just if you make your

1103
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: bed every morning, Like you got one thing that you

1104
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 3: do and all life is around that. Suddenly my routine

1105
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 3: that had, you know, mornings, lunch, evenings all accounted for,

1106
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 3: it's completely gone. I'm back in the normal world. I

1107
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 3: can eat ice cream anytime I want, and I don't

1108
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 3: have to make my bed. I can shower ten times

1109
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 3: a day. It's like all of these things that were

1110
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 3: the staple of my life that kind of held it

1111
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 3: together for a month and a half suddenly disappeared. And

1112
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 3: I felt like I was back at ground zero, trying

1113
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 3: to just like figure out how to rebuild a new

1114
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 3: routine or what this new life is. And I think

1115
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 3: of it a lot of like as I and then

1116
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 3: I flew back to Montana where I lived, but as

1117
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 3: I came out of that and this old routine is done,

1118
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 3: and try to find a new routine and put things

1119
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 3: back together by the stable moments and every day that

1120
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 3: I can't just go back to the old meme because

1121
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: this adventure and every big thing in life changes you.

1122
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 3: So it's like I've got to find a way to

1123
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 3: put this new meat into this same world. And so

1124
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 3: that's kind of where that post trail depression where just

1125
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 3: difficulty in finding your way in a world because you

1126
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 3: don't get to use all the strategies that you used

1127
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 3: two months ago, because you're coming out of this different

1128
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 3: person with a different perspective, with hopefully a different respect

1129
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 3: for yourself, and you're not just going to want to

1130
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 3: be the same old you that was pre adventure or

1131
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 3: life changing moment. And I think that's where a lot

1132
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 3: of the post trail depression lies on your task with

1133
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 3: twenty four hours a day to put back together in

1134
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 3: a new way, when just a week ago you had

1135
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 3: that twenty four hours dialed, you had it perfect right,

1136
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 3: You had to figure it out, and it's like, all right,

1137
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 3: now you're a novice at life again. Good luck the

1138
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 3: adventures over.

1139
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 2: I love that you're back to back to zero.

1140
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: That's what it is, these freaking resets that happen after

1141
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: you experienced these radical shifts in perspective, like you said,

1142
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember every single time I came back

1143
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: from a deployment to a war zone, it was like,

1144
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: all right, how do I fit in? Like does this

1145
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: even make sense to me? Like, I don't even know

1146
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: what to do? And you know, for many many years

1147
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't I didn't tap into the things

1148
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: that would have helped that at all, which was to

1149
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: live a healthy life and to you know, take care

1150
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: of myself, to do good emotional work, or you know,

1151
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: to write my experience, write poetry or pain or draw

1152
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: whatever I love to do. And you know, and or

1153
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: and then the other aspect of our relationships. Right, Obviously

1154
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: relationships can shift or change too, because you have new perspectives.

1155
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 2: On the world.

1156
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: But I think that that is a remarkable way to

1157
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: look at it, as like, man, you go through this

1158
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: revelatory transition and gain a whole new, uh understanding of yourself,

1159
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: of what you can and cannot do, of what means

1160
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: things to you and what doesn't mean. I mean, obviously

1161
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: it's just this. It's it's like it's what is it?

1162
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: It's it's it's almost like you're shedding your old self

1163
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: through this rigorous like you know, friends of mine, we

1164
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: call it putting ourselves on the anvil of life, right,

1165
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: and just beating down all the unnecessary stuff. And then

1166
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: you then you hop off and you're like, oh, all right,

1167
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: but all right, now, how do I how do I

1168
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: fit this into the new world? You came home and

1169
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,919
Speaker 1: had a massive experience as well because of an engagement too,

1170
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: So how how are what are you taking with what

1171
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: you learned about yourself that on this experience and how

1172
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: are you going to apply it in this new adventure

1173
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: and getting married and you know whatever that future looks

1174
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: like for you guys?

1175
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: Totally.

1176
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of things changed once I finished. So

1177
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 3: right before I put all my stuff in storage because

1178
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 3: I didn't want to have a backup plan or like

1179
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 3: didn't want to if I quit, like there's no reason

1180
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 3: to quit. I just was like, let's eliminate all those excuses,

1181
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 3: and so I proposed right at the finish, so I

1182
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,479
Speaker 3: sleep deprived and everything. It was like this, it's actually

1183
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 3: pretty funny story. So by friend who gave us a

1184
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 3: give me a ride back to Atlanta. She was there

1185
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 3: and then my girlfriend and she was like, well, should

1186
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 3: we leave soon? And it was like, just give me

1187
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 3: five more minutes. And in those couple of minutes, it

1188
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 3: was just like, Okay, what do I need to say?

1189
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 3: I need to ask about getting married? Doesn't need to

1190
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 3: be perfect, and then it's like, Okay, where's this ring

1191
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 3: I carried for forty five days?

1192
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: Pull it out?

1193
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 3: I don't there's a video, but I don't really know

1194
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 3: if I nailed all the words or something. But I

1195
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 3: got them out and then we got engaged and it

1196
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 3: was back.

1197
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 2: It was awesome. What it was I watched was amazing.

1198
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, I feel like it was an ambitious

1199
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 3: time to decide I was going to propose, but you know,

1200
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 3: it made it work. Might as well, might as well

1201
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 3: make it hard on myself. And then yeah, so go

1202
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: back to normal life. And on top of the post

1203
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 3: trail depression, it's like, well, I need to move, move

1204
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 3: all my stuff out of storage. We're engaged, and I've

1205
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 3: got this trail and I coach athletes, so I got

1206
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 3: to get back into that. It was just like, how

1207
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 3: how am I going to get through everything changing at once?

1208
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 3: Because I think it's there's like a number of things

1209
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 3: that are the biggest moments or struggles in life, and

1210
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 3: like moving and relationship stuff are definitely two of them.

1211
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, getting engaged in moving right after

1212
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 3: already probably having dramatically low dopamated serotonin in my brain

1213
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 3: because I'm sleep deprived and also changing my life completely

1214
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 3: by reintegrating back into society. And so yeah, that was

1215
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 3: just like the biggest shift. And I think what to

1216
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 3: get to the question what really showed? I think, ever,

1217
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 3: we're all valuable and have things, but someone who can

1218
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 3: support your crazy goal like she was posting the updates

1219
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 3: on my Instagram, she was helped figure out places to

1220
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 3: resupply when we created a spreadsheet for the whole adventure.

1221
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 3: But someone who's willing to go along with whatever your

1222
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 3: passion is. I think that's kind of what things really

1223
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 3: boil down to in life. Even if she never wants

1224
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: to do this or doesn't, if someone doesn't get it,

1225
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 3: as long as they can respect that, it means something

1226
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 3: to you. I think that's kind of the baseline on

1227
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 3: the basis of the relationship. On everything else is superficial,

1228
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 3: but the core of your being, if it's a passion

1229
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 3: or what feels like an activity that saved my life

1230
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 3: over the years, if someone respects and wants to help

1231
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 3: me do that, it's sort of like, well, that's probably

1232
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 3: a pretty valid person to have to be a central

1233
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 3: part in your life. And so it was it was

1234
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 3: like I started the trail. I bought the rendering the

1235
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 3: training camp and was like, by the end of this record,

1236
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 3: I'll know for sure. And it was like three days

1237
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 3: in that it was like, Okay, I already know the

1238
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 3: answer or the question I'm going to ask at the

1239
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 3: end of this thing. Oh, I just got to get

1240
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 3: to the end of this thing.

1241
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 2: That's so beautiful.

1242
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: Man.

1243
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 2: That was like they tiend didn't even talk about any

1244
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 2: of that.

1245
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: And so I'm doing research, I find that video and

1246
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, this is even more It's

1247
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's just encapsulates I think what is possible.

1248
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 2: And I think we need.

1249
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: So many more of those stories in our lives right now.

1250
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's so many people out there,

1251
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: in particular young people who are struggling.

1252
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: They're struggling with.

1253
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: Their own their own challenges, their own demons, you know,

1254
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: and and to show them this very pure way of

1255
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 1: unlocking yourself from those self you know, from the self

1256
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: imposed limitations by you know, doing something difficult, but but

1257
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: with a purpose in mind and an intent, right and

1258
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: then in the midst of that coming to the uh

1259
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: uh self awareness that you want to share your life

1260
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: in this these pursuits with somebody as not only in

1261
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: marriage but also as a coach. I mean, the reward

1262
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: that you can help instill in other people. I mean,

1263
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: there's no greater gift in my mind in this life

1264
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: than to share the wisdom you learn the hard way

1265
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: with other people who not necessarily avoid the hard way,

1266
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: but can appreciate the hard ways as an ability to

1267
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: generate that freedom within themselves to explore who they.

1268
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 2: Are and where they really want to go in life.

1269
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: Right, And that's that's an that's an incredible challenge, but

1270
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: you're doing it just flawlessly in my mind.

1271
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 2: All right, last question, last couple questions.

1272
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: Tell me why you picked the Trevor Project and and

1273
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: the fact that you raise twenty seven thousand dollars for them.

1274
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we had like forty seven thousand actually

1275
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 3: with ever a little bit after the trail.

1276
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1277
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:53,839
Speaker 3: I think that everyone is valid and especially the support

1278
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 3: therapies done big things for me and stuff, especially trying

1279
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 3: to find my way in a world where it seems

1280
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 3: like initially I choose the wrong path for at least

1281
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 3: sustainable happiness. And so I just really you know, create

1282
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,879
Speaker 3: rated charity and also just empowers a population that sometimes

1283
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 3: gets lost in the shuffle. It supports therapy, crisis line counseling,

1284
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 3: and stuff for the LGBTQ plus community, and I just

1285
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 3: think that my view on the world is that we

1286
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 3: should all be empowered or have the resources to succeed

1287
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 3: or at least help out there. And I know this

1288
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 3: is never going to be achieved, but if I can

1289
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 3: make a small difference, and you know, helping a community

1290
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 3: and people that often are forgotten or lessened, it's just

1291
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 3: I don't know that brings meaning to life. And my

1292
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 3: whole thought going into this is if I'm going to

1293
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 3: get the spotlighte for doing going for a record on

1294
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 3: at close to one hundred million people, that would be

1295
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 3: like two hours, It's like, what if we can deflect

1296
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 3: some of that into saving people's lives. And it's just

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Speaker 3: felt like this was one of the most I guess

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Speaker 3: use or maybe one of the ways that I could

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Speaker 3: direct money that would be spent on these services that

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Speaker 3: directly do change people's lives. And that sort of was

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Speaker 3: the whole baseline, because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to do a trail faster than someone else.

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Speaker 3: But if we can raise some money to just help

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Speaker 3: people live a happy, healthy, long life, especially through this

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Speaker 3: formative years when you're a young teenager and it's just

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Speaker 3: really hard to make it. If there's someone that's on

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Speaker 3: a crisis line that has a more relatable experience, I

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Speaker 3: think that that's pretty empowered. So that was the whole goal,

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Speaker 3: just send money to people that it can impact most.

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Speaker 2: I love it, man, It's so admirable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, my wife and I we exist,

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Speaker 1: uh pretty profoundly in the world of suicide. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've lost dozens of friends to it in the last

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Speaker 1: decade or so, and and that's why we started our

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Speaker 1: own little charity as well too, called the Operator Center Foundation,

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Speaker 1: was to stop suicide. And you know, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: if if you know you're part of the lgbt Q

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Speaker 1: plus community or your veteran or wherever community you're a

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Speaker 1: part of. Man, people struggle, and they struggle immensely. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I think, you know, if we can take

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Speaker 1: our accomplishments and transfer those accomplishments into supporting mental health

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Speaker 1: for other people, I think it's it's one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest duties that we have as as human beings, right

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Speaker 1: is to if we if we can, if we can

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Speaker 1: garner a sense of strength and confidence and success, that

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Speaker 1: can translate into into supporting other people that are struggling.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's that's what we want, that's what

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Speaker 1: we're supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: So I love that you chose that charity. I love

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Speaker 1: the mission what you're doing with it. Man, it's just really, really,

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Speaker 1: really powerful. Okay, all right, last question is what's next? Right?

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Speaker 1: And then how can people follow you, support you and

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Speaker 1: listen to your show?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What is next? That's tricky. So I am running. It's

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Speaker 3: called Cocadona two fifty. It's a two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: mile race from Phoenix, Arizona to flag stuff. So that's

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Speaker 3: in May. That's my immediate what's next? And then as

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Speaker 3: far as record stuff, looking at possible stuff overseas and

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Speaker 3: things like that. I love doing a billion things. So

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Speaker 3: I love to push forward and get a book about

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Speaker 3: this written. And I wrote one about the adventuated in

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Speaker 3: and so I just uh. And then everything's called free Outside,

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Speaker 3: free Outside dot Com, the free Outside on Instagram, Free

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Speaker 3: Outside to the name of the book. There's a movie

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Speaker 3: Free Outside you can watch. So keep it all pretty

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Speaker 3: simple that way, and uh, yeah, what while I have

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Speaker 3: the moment, I just want to say, like I've been

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Speaker 3: on that side where you feel the uh pressure, the

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Speaker 3: push or the darkness of suicide and stuff too. And

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Speaker 3: that's when I thought like, well, I'm going to quit

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Speaker 3: this and go do this thing that I was passionate

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Speaker 3: about and or that I knew could make me happy,

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Speaker 3: because it felt like when one option is the end

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Speaker 3: and the other can be anything you want. Is just

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Speaker 3: when you get so low in life you can make

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Speaker 3: the most dramatic decisions on like hike for nine months

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Speaker 3: or something like that, Like there's there's always an option.

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of these things and people

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Speaker 3: that talk about taking a month and a half off

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Speaker 3: to go for a record or HiPE for nine months,

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Speaker 3: some of this feels impossible and it can be tricky

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Speaker 3: and stuff, but nothing is ever impossible. So if you

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Speaker 3: want to do any of these things, or your own

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Speaker 3: thing that you've dreamed about forever, maybe it takes a

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Speaker 3: decade to set your life up in a way that

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Speaker 3: you can't. But I think the second that we give

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Speaker 3: up on these things that we really love, it just

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Speaker 3: makes the world a lot more harder. We live a

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Speaker 3: lot with a lot more resentment, and so just if

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Speaker 3: there's something you always wanted to do, it doesn't have

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Speaker 3: to be something that you die always wishing you'd done.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, I just can't thank you enough. Man. You're a

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Speaker 2: wise man.

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Speaker 1: And also you know your feats are beyond imagination for me.

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Speaker 1: When I was looking you up on Instagram, I saw

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Speaker 1: all that Uh, Cameron Haynes was following you, and I

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Speaker 1: know Cam, and I just like, man, you're You're an

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Speaker 1: inspiration to people, and I think what you're doing is

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Speaker 1: really powerful and it's in such a positive way. And

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Speaker 1: I just I can't thank you enough for coming on

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Speaker 1: and sharing your story with UH, with me and my audience.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun to have a crossover and think

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Speaker 3: of it in the similar mindset was like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: grown tough men probably crying the first time during how

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Speaker 3: we can be on the trail also crying because emotions

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Speaker 3: are hard.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, we're all so much more connected than

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Speaker 1: we could ever imagine for sure, and that's the beautiful aspect,

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Speaker 1: all right. Brother, God bless you man and wish you

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Speaker 1: all the best. Thank you, Thank you,