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Speaker 1: You know in this episode, man, we got my boy
Speaker 1: Quante Bosco Addams man. You know he's the only son
Speaker 1: of one of the original competent crimps, the Compton Crips,
Speaker 1: and he spent the twenty eight of his last forty
Speaker 1: five years confined to the sales of juvenile county, state
Speaker 1: and federal detention facilities. You know, my man grew up
Speaker 1: in a single parent household, little income house and all
Speaker 1: that started selling drugs the age of team driving by
Speaker 1: age of eleven, dropped out of school of thirteen, and
Speaker 1: by fifteen was sentenced to serving juvenile life sentence in
Speaker 1: the California Youth Authority. Got released the nineteen He was
Speaker 1: soon there after back and prayed prison for another six
Speaker 1: years or two months. Got released in September eighteen, two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, and on January two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: at the age of three weeks after his baby was born,
Speaker 1: his only child was born, he was arrested con then
Speaker 1: since the thirty five years of federal prison for attempting
Speaker 1: the traffic marijuana. I'm checking this out. My man is
Speaker 1: facing you know, these thirty five years, and you just
Speaker 1: said I'm gonna break up out this motherfucker, right. I
Speaker 1: started forming an escape plan from the moment I walked in.
Speaker 1: Every system has a weakness. I was going to cut
Speaker 1: my way out. We'll do that. Just someone would escape
Speaker 1: from our facility. Someone's gonna have to get hurt. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about it like, man. So my first question
Speaker 1: there was, Man, let's go back to the game for
Speaker 1: me going to all this. Man, I see marijuana and
Speaker 1: I see thirty five years. What was you doing? How
Speaker 1: many pounds did you have? Man? Like, what was you
Speaker 1: doing for them to give you thirty five years? Really
Speaker 1: it was my priors that really got me to thirty
Speaker 1: five years. But because typically if if it want for
Speaker 1: my prior convictions, you know, I had a prior drug
Speaker 1: offense and the prior juvenile saw So that right there
Speaker 1: is what cars and jars enhanced my sentence at thirty five.
Speaker 1: So if it wan't for that, I probably would end
Speaker 1: up with something like ten of fifteen or fifteen or
Speaker 1: something like that. But even still, yeah, that still a
Speaker 1: lot of times some weed, man, even still considered irrelevant
Speaker 1: of the prize. I mean, we're talking about marijuana. We're
Speaker 1: talking about the motherfucking leaf were talked about playing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that ship right there, you're smoking right there, that's legal
Speaker 1: smell all of them. Ten Freeway when you're driving over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Yeah, So like like take me back, man,
Speaker 1: So it seems like you just had a really turbulent childhood, man,
Speaker 1: because you know, we we cooled your pops and everything,
Speaker 1: Man shot up to the ony. Yeah, my childhood was different.
Speaker 1: I mean, probably not too much different than other people
Speaker 1: come from the same community I come from. But I
Speaker 1: guess the thing that separated me from most other kids
Speaker 1: that came from my community was the fact that I
Speaker 1: was a little more advanced. So you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of stepped off the porch a lot sooner than most
Speaker 1: other kids did. And then, be honest with you, back
Speaker 1: then in the eighties, that was like comment, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, from Compton, it was common
Speaker 1: for us to step off the porch at eleven, twelve,
Speaker 1: thirteen years old. If you stepped off the porch at
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen, he was a late bloomer, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, but when we put it in contrast
Speaker 1: to society as a whole, that was a different childhood.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it was a childhood that
Speaker 1: was pretty much given to us because as a kid,
Speaker 1: we only know what we see. Yeah, so if if
Speaker 1: we see other juveniles selling drugs and driving cars, then
Speaker 1: quite naturally we're gonna fall in the same footsteps any something.
Speaker 1: Growing up in the neighborhood. I saw Motherfucker's that. I
Speaker 1: was twelve thirteen seeing Motherfucker's a fucking Nissig trucks and
Speaker 1: ship the ski racks, Volkswagon buds with the plus and
Speaker 1: ship here or man, I'm like ship for role model, ship.
Speaker 1: I need me some great Yeah, everybody that's that's and
Speaker 1: I think everybody had a Sack back then. It was
Speaker 1: the money was just like that, especially where he came from,
Speaker 1: because that's when you had your baby games, that your
Speaker 1: turtles and on those Yeah, exactly. Then the people I
Speaker 1: looked up to Sack Street Springs exactly. Man, Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: half one side of the block was sold up, exactly
Speaker 1: when you get halfway in that block. It was only credit.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't coming up that way and that she was purchasing, exactly.
Speaker 1: And they had a lot of youngsters at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, like every other neighborhood, but over there they
Speaker 1: were more advantage because they was really into it. But
Speaker 1: it was the correct thing. Marijuana, I'm thinking, yeah, and
Speaker 1: That's what's really tripped me up because even with his friars,
Speaker 1: they came from him being a kid pretty much. And
Speaker 1: it's just like they gave enhancement for some weed. It's
Speaker 1: not like he was getting got caught with twenty five kilos.
Speaker 1: How many pounds we did drive fourteen pounds of weed.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of weeds still turned around. It was like,
Speaker 1: that's a lot about that bucket. But then at the
Speaker 1: same time, like I never even got it because it
Speaker 1: was like a sting operation. They actually confiscated it down
Speaker 1: in Texas to the person who was transporting into me. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: brought it to St. Louis where I was supposed to
Speaker 1: pick it up. What you have just done at the
Speaker 1: time at the time, so man, tell me you get
Speaker 1: locked up, man, And so pretty much just me looking
Speaker 1: at the you know, the re enacting us. Man, you
Speaker 1: pretty much had made up in your mind from the
Speaker 1: time you pulled up into that she was getting upon
Speaker 1: of that motherfucker. Well, when I first got arrested, that
Speaker 1: was in my state of mind because at the time
Speaker 1: I think he kind of made a mistake there. My
Speaker 1: daughter wasn't born yet. She was conceived two months before
Speaker 1: two weeks before I was arrested. So I just found
Speaker 1: that when I was arrested, that I got a child
Speaker 1: trying to have a child brought into this world. And
Speaker 1: so that right there is what really like sparked me,
Speaker 1: you know, because I've been doing time all my life.
Speaker 1: But just the fact that, okay, I can be because
Speaker 1: I was looking at life, I could be sentenced to
Speaker 1: life for some motherfucking marijuana. I ain't killed nobody. That
Speaker 1: was one of the factors. Then the other factors that
Speaker 1: I got a child that's going to come into this world,
Speaker 1: my only child. So and I always told myself that
Speaker 1: if I bring the child into this world, I want
Speaker 1: to be out there to raise it. You know. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be an absent father and let my
Speaker 1: child go through the same thing that I went through.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, We don't want to repeat
Speaker 1: that cycle. Somebody got to break the cycle. And you know,
Speaker 1: I told myself that I'm worth more than that to
Speaker 1: be repeating the cycle. So it kind of like when
Speaker 1: reality sat in, it's like it kind of like sucked
Speaker 1: me up, like this is it, this could be my life.
Speaker 1: I can go down as a motherfucker who died in prison,
Speaker 1: who had a child and wasn't there for the child legacy,
Speaker 1: and that's it. I didn't want that. So you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. After a couple of months, in a
Speaker 1: few months, and I said, I'm gonna breakout. And so
Speaker 1: I actually, uh tried to break out there and uh
Speaker 1: somebody snitched on me and they placed me in solitary confinement.
Speaker 1: When I was in solitary confinement, I tried to escape again,
Speaker 1: got close. Police called me coming out event they happened
Speaker 1: to be outside smoking cigarettes at the time. So from
Speaker 1: there they took me to this other prison which was
Speaker 1: supposed to be a maximum security. They placed me in
Speaker 1: a cell twenty four hours a day with a camera
Speaker 1: in there. I didn't come out for nothing anything. The
Speaker 1: only thing I came out was for a shower three
Speaker 1: times a week. He was under watching twenty four hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh that's the deal that I actually escaped from.
Speaker 1: And so while under twenty four hours, serveillans and UM
Speaker 1: just throw this sak in there. This is teen years
Speaker 1: before el was escaped. Know, you're the only prisoner to
Speaker 1: successfully escape from being monitored around the Clark. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: it made a big deal. You know, the media ate
Speaker 1: it up. I'm sure labeled spart. Don't go to a
Speaker 1: maximum uh secure prison and then just think, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to get out of here. I mean, you have
Speaker 1: to think strategically that, like, I mean, your mindset had
Speaker 1: to be one D to escape from a prison like that.
Speaker 1: You have to really be sitting back down. I don't
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this now. I'm calculating. Everybody moves. Is
Speaker 1: when the guards come and watched the video and you
Speaker 1: pretty much shitt back and paid attention to everything. You
Speaker 1: didn't jot it down. Everything was in your head. The
Speaker 1: average brother aren't doing that. Yeah, that's something I picked
Speaker 1: up along the way. Though. It's like, was at your
Speaker 1: determination just to get the funk up? That's all of this?
Speaker 1: Keep lock me up in here. I'm gonna be contemplating
Speaker 1: the way to get up exactly because I got a
Speaker 1: kid on the way and nothing that's gonna stop me
Speaker 1: from trying to get the funk out of here. Regardless
Speaker 1: of what monitory, ship or cameras or wherever you try
Speaker 1: to lock me up. Your whole determination was I gotta
Speaker 1: get the funkbout of exactly. I gotta get out of
Speaker 1: here without sacrificing my soul because I still have principles.
Speaker 1: I could have told and got out, but that I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to do that. And it's not so much
Speaker 1: of the fact that just being labled a snitch, is
Speaker 1: the fact that I don't do things that I consider wrong.
Speaker 1: And I consider if men eight get caught up, it's
Speaker 1: wrong for me, you get away, it's wrong for me
Speaker 1: to come tell on you what I'm saying that. That's
Speaker 1: because there's no honor in that. And so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do anything that, you know what I'm saying that I
Speaker 1: would have to live with justice. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: live with being consider to dad father. I couldn't live
Speaker 1: with myself knowing that I put eight in prison. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and not only that, assistant the evil, wicked
Speaker 1: war on drugs that is designed to put black men
Speaker 1: in prison. Why the funk would I assist in that? Exactly? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: So so let me ask you this man, you locked
Speaker 1: up like I'm just picturing this. You in the six
Speaker 1: six ft sale, right, You're in the six ft sale. Man,
Speaker 1: it's a camera that watching you every move from when
Speaker 1: you go to sleep, when when you use the bathroom
Speaker 1: and everything else. Take us through how you got this done? Man, Like,
Speaker 1: what did you get the sawt from? You know, because
Speaker 1: we saw the documentary, of course, But I want to
Speaker 1: take everybody through this, like walking through the whole plan. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like you know, from the first time when I got
Speaker 1: caught trying to escape the first time and I was
Speaker 1: placing solitary confinement, that determination was still there. So from
Speaker 1: that moment I started being calculating on everything I did.
Speaker 1: You know, from my weight. You know, I wouldn't eat.
Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to be slim as possible so
Speaker 1: that I can squeeze through different things. You know. I
Speaker 1: didn't read books and none of that ship. I didn't
Speaker 1: you know, play games. Everything I did was just pretty
Speaker 1: much observing and trying to figure out how I can
Speaker 1: beat the system and escape. So it pretty much became
Speaker 1: habitual to where everything I did was geared towards that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I just sit back and
Speaker 1: listen to high police walk. So now I know, okay,
Speaker 1: that's such and such going to come up to tear
Speaker 1: you know, from the way he walked his steps. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I watched and see how how
Speaker 1: how long it strides are? You know, And so when
Speaker 1: I hear him take thirty steps, I can say, okay,
Speaker 1: it's try his foot. So that means if you take
Speaker 1: thirty steps, he's thirty feet away. I'm saying that. Just
Speaker 1: different things like that, and it just became habitual. I
Speaker 1: got it too, like a zone. And the thing was
Speaker 1: just pretty much Geared Choy getting the hell out of jail,
Speaker 1: breaking out? You know, how how did you break out? Do? Uh?
Speaker 1: Just like how the documentary said. You know, I had
Speaker 1: a hacks All blade talking for the people. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: the people can read that book to Chasing Freedom and
Speaker 1: and learn a whole lot, you know, pretty much details
Speaker 1: about my whole life. But to give him something here,
Speaker 1: you know, I had a hacks All blade smugger that
Speaker 1: side of a book and the cover of a book,
Speaker 1: had it sent to another prisoner. It was a book
Speaker 1: I knew the prisoner wasn't gonna read because he was
Speaker 1: in the urban novel. So I was like the only
Speaker 1: person on that uh grange exactly, So you know, it
Speaker 1: was intentionally to saying the books to this other prisoner.
Speaker 1: He didn't know where they came from. He just received books.
Speaker 1: And inside that intellectual book was where I had the
Speaker 1: salt blade, inside concealed the side to cover hart back,
Speaker 1: and I knew eventually that that book will come to
Speaker 1: me because don't nobody on the range read these type
Speaker 1: of books. Pool a little liquor and roll something up, Chronicles,
Speaker 1: We'll be right back where you at. This is o
Speaker 1: g Gangster Granny and against the Chronicles podcast is bad
Speaker 1: in effect getting ready for some of that g ship
Speaker 1: and blaze up some wanna merrow you just playing the
Speaker 1: whole thing else You said this book when you ordered
Speaker 1: the book, initially you knew it was gonna come back
Speaker 1: around to you exactly because of w came to you
Speaker 1: off the rip data. Knew we had to check this
Speaker 1: out right exactly. Everything that was coming to me was
Speaker 1: going straight to the superintendent, and he was on everything,
Speaker 1: you know, with combing through it finally and thoroughly inspected.
Speaker 1: It might not even get it because a lot of
Speaker 1: things I weren't allowed to have any and a hard
Speaker 1: backed book I went to being able to get that,
Speaker 1: so you know what I'm saying. It took me a
Speaker 1: while to figure out how I was gonna get it,
Speaker 1: and I figured, okay, that was the avenue right there,
Speaker 1: and uh I cut a hole in the ceiling behind
Speaker 1: the camera and was able to squeeze up there and
Speaker 1: chiselm my way through another little barrier, got up into
Speaker 1: an attic where the exhaust events and all that the
Speaker 1: ventilation system was. Uh so, how did you how did you?
Speaker 1: You just you just figured out that you knew where
Speaker 1: these spots was that you was just sucking. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna cut decline and see what the next level I
Speaker 1: get to to a degree, that was it. Because but
Speaker 1: at the same time, based on when I was in
Speaker 1: the previous solitary confinement after the first escape, I used
Speaker 1: to hear like noise, right I live up in the celling.
Speaker 1: I hear noise like that wasn't coming from solitary confined
Speaker 1: and wasn't coming from that little maximum security wing. It
Speaker 1: was traveling from somewhere. So just hearing that noise just like, man,
Speaker 1: there's something you know, the ventilation system. So what I
Speaker 1: started doing is I would just read it as much
Speaker 1: as I can about like ventilation systems. Like when since
Speaker 1: I was little, I used to ask myself questions like
Speaker 1: what what's the purpose of that? So inside this sale
Speaker 1: we had like the exhaust vents. You got two of them,
Speaker 1: one that blows there and one that doesn't. I don't
Speaker 1: know shit about this, but I'm asking myself, what's the
Speaker 1: purpose of that? And I just start reading. I would
Speaker 1: get like, you know, how the newspapers come through and
Speaker 1: they got the home section, and I would notice that
Speaker 1: every how's got this vent. So then it's common sense, Okay,
Speaker 1: event is there that man? Is that okay exhaust, that
Speaker 1: man that you know for to release carbon oxide and
Speaker 1: ship like that. So I assume, I, okay, if it's
Speaker 1: event on this sale, and that event has to be
Speaker 1: leading to another event that leads outside of this building,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so I was right
Speaker 1: about that, you know what I'm saying. So I knew that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, at any building there is
Speaker 1: an exhaust, you know what I'm saying, because if there's
Speaker 1: not an exhaust, we all would die and hear you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Now, what would I encounter at
Speaker 1: that exhaust? I didn't know. That was just a chance
Speaker 1: I was willing to take, you know, hopefully that you
Speaker 1: know I encounter something that I can cut through, kick
Speaker 1: through or whatever, or even if if I would have
Speaker 1: got there and couldn't get through it, if I would
Speaker 1: have had access to the outside to where I could
Speaker 1: have probably made a fishing line and fish something else
Speaker 1: and from somebody else. So yeah, I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: exactly know what was up there. Eight. I just uh
Speaker 1: was pretty much going off for you know, assumption, you know, calculate,
Speaker 1: and uh, I would just listen to all of movement
Speaker 1: that was going on inside the zeil, you know, try
Speaker 1: to size the buildings up and try to make an
Speaker 1: estimated what's over here, what's over there, and ship like that,
Speaker 1: and pretty much I had, Uh my estimation came out
Speaker 1: to be right, you know, I summed it all up correctly.
Speaker 1: And so you know this without help, Yeah, without help,
Speaker 1: that's determination. Yeah that's not just the termination. That's genius too,
Speaker 1: because you also thought of your ride too. So let's
Speaker 1: go into the female. We ain't gotta bring her name
Speaker 1: up or nothing like that. Yeah, let's let's go into
Speaker 1: the female. Man that you add your female accomplished man
Speaker 1: not not accomplished so to speak. So you pretty much
Speaker 1: have to have you a ride when you got up
Speaker 1: about it, and she had to be on time to
Speaker 1: be there waiting, and you could have got cut. Like
Speaker 1: you said, people can't you smoking cigarettes before? How did
Speaker 1: that all come about? Uh? So you said, I knew
Speaker 1: that I had to get away quickly, that I needed
Speaker 1: a getaway driver, and I didn't want anybody who was
Speaker 1: connected to me. What I'm saying because at that time,
Speaker 1: I like, you know, that was my first time in
Speaker 1: the fairst and you hit it in the streets, you
Speaker 1: hit the ruins about when the fairst get you, you
Speaker 1: know they're watching you, They're watching everybody. They know everything.
Speaker 1: Everybody phone tapped, so to be cautious, I kind of
Speaker 1: assumed that. So I didn't want to like bring anybody
Speaker 1: that I knew in. And at the same time, I
Speaker 1: wanted somebody who who couldn't trick leave a trail back
Speaker 1: to where I would be or who who I was
Speaker 1: or whatever. So, uh, it was a guy in the
Speaker 1: cell next to me. First what I did is I
Speaker 1: jimmy rigged the phone inside myself because at that place
Speaker 1: we couldn't come out. So they in the walls they
Speaker 1: had like these little phones, it's like speaker phones, and uh,
Speaker 1: we would make calls on them. You know, we would
Speaker 1: get like a little calling card, prepaid calling card, and
Speaker 1: you know, well the prison, you know, you might pay
Speaker 1: ten dollars and they give you twenty minutes of phone
Speaker 1: time or whatever. Yeah, you know, we would talk on them.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't a receiver. It was just all speaking.
Speaker 1: So I broke into the phone, rigged it to where
Speaker 1: all my calls was going through the prison's direct line,
Speaker 1: so I was making outside calls sent. Yeah, they used
Speaker 1: to call him mcgiving man. So let's just get this
Speaker 1: straight audience. This man Jimmy rigged the phone inside the
Speaker 1: jail cell which people are making free phone calls. It
Speaker 1: was free. Everything is free. So he was making free
Speaker 1: phone calls in the shopping up and you make the
Speaker 1: you make the baby girl. Yeah, it was a dude
Speaker 1: in the cell next to me. It's like because you
Speaker 1: can hear, like per sitting the cell next to me
Speaker 1: can hear my conversations because they speaker phones and in
Speaker 1: this part of the wall is hollow, so you just
Speaker 1: in your cell, I can't hear what you're talking about
Speaker 1: on the phone. So this guy, he knew I was,
Speaker 1: you know, getting free calls. Because I was constantly called.
Speaker 1: I would just call all days, just be calling, right,
Speaker 1: and uh so I used to make calls for him.
Speaker 1: I would like call his girl or his people, and
Speaker 1: he would be at his phone and he would like
Speaker 1: scream through because you can still hear it, like what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So anyway, it was a girl that he
Speaker 1: had met in the classifies whatever, and he gave me
Speaker 1: the number. So at the time, I wasn't really into
Speaker 1: none of that right there. My whole thing was just
Speaker 1: breaking out, escape and I want in the past and
Speaker 1: no time with no broads and nothing. I won't even
Speaker 1: write my own people, you know what I'm saying That
Speaker 1: I wasn't leaving no trail, no contacts, and none of that.
Speaker 1: So but click to me, like where is she from?
Speaker 1: She around here? Okay, that might be a potential ride,
Speaker 1: you know, and somebody that's not connected to me, you know.
Speaker 1: So I took the NUMBERNA started talking to her, got
Speaker 1: close with her, and uh she picked me up from
Speaker 1: the prison when I broke out. The plan was to
Speaker 1: ask somebody else come pick me up and take me
Speaker 1: to Chicago. Why she was supposed to be going out
Speaker 1: shopping to bring the phone and other different clothes from me.
Speaker 1: But it didn't happen that way. Leave her right there
Speaker 1: so she don't know wherehing exactly and kill that. So
Speaker 1: this your father, they can go exactly right there and
Speaker 1: let me go back to something this or the subject
Speaker 1: because this always interested me. Man. So it was a
Speaker 1: woman to classified just looking for dudes in the prison. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she was just looking for dudes
Speaker 1: in prison, but she was looking for dudes. I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, she probably was going through something in her life,
Speaker 1: and you know, I needed some time women that yeah ship, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I got a brother that brother in law
Speaker 1: has locked up and get all kind of letters to
Speaker 1: the house women and all this stuff that he called
Speaker 1: them my wife, you know, the biggest. So so so
Speaker 1: let me ask you this man, So this woman pretty
Speaker 1: much feell in love with you. I obviously was feeling
Speaker 1: lonely and I just wanted someone to take care of
Speaker 1: I've dated pretty much every race there is a black man,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to see, if you know, if
Speaker 1: they were different than you know, the white the Caucasian man,
Speaker 1: the Asian man, the Indian man, and the Puerto Rican
Speaker 1: man that I dated. Yeah, I guess how she was falling.
Speaker 1: She was falling head over yes from me. When you
Speaker 1: when you got to when you got to manipulate the scene, man,
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta do. I mean, fuck, it ain't
Speaker 1: meant to motherfucking you know, hurt nobody or whatever. But ship,
Speaker 1: it's just a part of the plan. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: but even still addressing that at the same time, be
Speaker 1: honest with you. Sometimes when you in that selling, you
Speaker 1: start connecting with people like that, you start growing feeling
Speaker 1: as yourself. And it's not even a physical thing no more,
Speaker 1: you know, as far as because you might not even
Speaker 1: have to see a person, but just the fact that
Speaker 1: a man and a woman would kind of like meant
Speaker 1: to be so just to act you communication and you know,
Speaker 1: to be able to bond with one another just through
Speaker 1: words exactly, you know. And sometimes you will find yourself
Speaker 1: like that, Okay, I'm feeling this person, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be keeping one hunted before I saw. That's how you know.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I was feeling something I saw. I ain't
Speaker 1: on this lady like that. How long have you been
Speaker 1: how long have you been locked up at that time?
Speaker 1: I've been locked up a little over to like two
Speaker 1: and a half year, So you knocked it down. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure when you when you had no time, I
Speaker 1: didn't and that that was and that was saying no,
Speaker 1: because to be honest with you, I'm gonna keep it realist.
Speaker 1: Like my thing. I once, once she had done what
Speaker 1: she did for me, I was more so now concerned, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me get away and let me cover her tracks.
Speaker 1: So I knew that okay, with her then missing, if
Speaker 1: she would have just stayed there with me and she
Speaker 1: had appointments and work in different places to be somebody
Speaker 1: could have reported her missing or she could have been missing,
Speaker 1: and then at the same time, it could have somehow
Speaker 1: linked her back to where because she stopped and got
Speaker 1: some gas across the street from the jail, and so
Speaker 1: I knew that eventually that could trace her back to
Speaker 1: Ben there at the jail at that time, you know.
Speaker 1: So basically I'm just trying to come up with ways
Speaker 1: to cover her tracks and prevent her from getting in
Speaker 1: any trouble. So I pretty much instead of she wanted
Speaker 1: to stay there with me, but I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: the best thing for you, for me personally, that would
Speaker 1: have been the best thing. I should have kept it
Speaker 1: right there in the room until my ride came and
Speaker 1: then just disappeared. But then soft, you can say, being
Speaker 1: more concerned about not wanting to get her in trouble
Speaker 1: based on how far she had went. I wanted to
Speaker 1: help her cover her track. So my thing was like,
Speaker 1: continue to stick to your normal schedule. Don't change nothing
Speaker 1: up because if you change something, that makes it make
Speaker 1: you look suspicious. She had a doctor appointment, Go to
Speaker 1: your doctor point and go do all that stuff that
Speaker 1: she had schedule to do. So that you want to
Speaker 1: become missing and people want to assume that, Okay, you
Speaker 1: might be involved in it, you know. And what happened
Speaker 1: is she actually went home sooner than she was supposed to,
Speaker 1: and they was over there sitting there waiting for They
Speaker 1: picked him up and they took him to the McDonald's
Speaker 1: and St. Louis. You got to lot, tell me the truth,
Speaker 1: to tell you where is he? Where is Pine? He
Speaker 1: can't do so they was over there waiting for us.
Speaker 1: So how long had you actually been free? I think
Speaker 1: I've been free like ten hours something like that. Man,
Speaker 1: you wanted out no time. Theory became and got your ways,
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, this man, how was it?
Speaker 1: When did you know that? When did you know that
Speaker 1: the gig was up? Did they kick the doors in?
Speaker 1: Did you get them coming coming to get you? I
Speaker 1: looked out the window and saw a dude with police
Speaker 1: written across his windbreaker in the back look and in
Speaker 1: the trash can, and that's when I kind of knew.
Speaker 1: So I went to the front door and was trying
Speaker 1: to step out, and I just heard a bunch of footsteps.
Speaker 1: You know, you hear like a bunch of noise. It's
Speaker 1: some common noise, so you know that it's more than
Speaker 1: more people around and it normally supposed to be you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So that's when I knew, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're out there for me, just from the noise I'm
Speaker 1: hearing all the commotion and footsteps or whatever, you know
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, and it was it was around a
Speaker 1: time like that. You weren't normally here. You know, there's
Speaker 1: many footsteps, you know, just walking around. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: they must be out there coming and get me. And
Speaker 1: for the record, she dimes you out right, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: When he called her, yeah, yeah, you know, they roughed
Speaker 1: me up, put the gun to my head. You know,
Speaker 1: they celebrated high five. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: I knew they had to change you. Yeah, they wanted
Speaker 1: to know how. You know, they were a little fascinated.
Speaker 1: They got to talk about movies and books and all
Speaker 1: this type of ship like you know, it's just joking,
Speaker 1: but they were. They were fascinated by Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they was curious. Yeah, so now we're gonna aftermath because
Speaker 1: they know you wouldn't escape artists, they really know what
Speaker 1: happened once you get back? Man, did they transfer you
Speaker 1: somewhere else? They took me to federal Supermax. And this
Speaker 1: was super max where once you get convicted, then you
Speaker 1: this is what John got in. All that was locked
Speaker 1: that supermax. So I was pre tried. I hadn't even
Speaker 1: been to trial yet. But the judge, they went to
Speaker 1: my judge. They put me in the car and took
Speaker 1: me straight to the court building. Went in front of
Speaker 1: my judge and say, look, we can't we can't keep
Speaker 1: them in no the chansion facilities. We gotta give us
Speaker 1: permission to put him in the federal supermax with all
Speaker 1: of the convicted people. And the judge signed off on it.
Speaker 1: They took me to Supermax and and I was in
Speaker 1: super Max and when it's time for my court to come,
Speaker 1: they had come get me a bunch of cars, put
Speaker 1: me in in dried me to court, and take me
Speaker 1: back to the super Max. Now this is the this
Speaker 1: is the ladies and gentlemen. Right. That really tripped me out.
Speaker 1: So you get you get your citizens right now and
Speaker 1: everything right, Yeah, I got sens. It's like, uh, four
Speaker 1: years two years after I escaped, close to two years
Speaker 1: something like that. Now, what happened because you beat him again,
Speaker 1: Let's go through the details of that. Because you beat
Speaker 1: them once more, but you beat them to me, which
Speaker 1: is a much better way because if you would escaped
Speaker 1: before and been successful, you'd have been pretty much onna
Speaker 1: run your whole life the ridsk of your life. What
Speaker 1: happened was they sentenced me to thirty five years. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that was because of the marijuana, because of the marijuanas,
Speaker 1: just for the marijuana. Thirty five years just from marijuana. Uh,
Speaker 1: but chop of that. Donna give you thirty package. You
Speaker 1: didn't you didn't escape from well, I got five years
Speaker 1: five five five fall and escape, But they running together,
Speaker 1: and they gave me a thirty five just for the marijuana.
Speaker 1: Oh so he was about to do about sixty years
Speaker 1: now now because they had to rent it concurring. So
Speaker 1: but yeah, the thirty five is just for the marijuana. Uh.
Speaker 1: But in two thousand and twenty or two thousand and
Speaker 1: the and the two thousand and nineteen really in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen is when you know, I've seen it.
Speaker 1: And beginning in two thousand nineteen started saying like a
Speaker 1: little there was a conflict in the law. And you know,
Speaker 1: whenever there is a conflict or disagreement in the law
Speaker 1: where the language doesn't match, it's up to the judges
Speaker 1: to interpret it. That's what judges are for. Judges hold
Speaker 1: job is to interpret law. They're supposed to be the
Speaker 1: referee and between the prosecutor and the defendants and uh
Speaker 1: and also the sentences too. But so there's with some
Speaker 1: conflict in the law which is called compassion and release statute,
Speaker 1: and where uh, the sentence and commission are the ones
Speaker 1: who are supposed to determine what amounts to extraordinary compelling
Speaker 1: reasons to release a person on compassion release. But the
Speaker 1: language conflicted with something that was changed during the first
Speaker 1: step back, so pretty much I saw like you'd have
Speaker 1: to be like understand the law to really understand it.
Speaker 1: But there was a conflict in the law right there.
Speaker 1: And my position was that, okay, since there's a conflict
Speaker 1: in this law right here, since one thing says one
Speaker 1: and another part says another, thing, gets up to the
Speaker 1: just to interpret what it actually means. And the thing
Speaker 1: that was conflicting it was whether who can determine because
Speaker 1: there's a when when? What was it eighty four when
Speaker 1: they sent eight four eighty four when Reagan signed in
Speaker 1: the sentence and reformat and they took away parole. So
Speaker 1: when they took away parole, they also put in a
Speaker 1: section called a compassionate release. Section was said that the
Speaker 1: Brew of Prisons can ask the courts to release a
Speaker 1: prisoner or reduce his sentence for extraordinary compelling reasons. Because
Speaker 1: without that, that means that anybody with a life sentence
Speaker 1: for thirty years or whatever, you're just being there for
Speaker 1: that and can never get out, even if you're dying.
Speaker 1: So the Brew of Prisons was never actually acting courts
Speaker 1: to release prisoners under this statue. Every year you might
Speaker 1: get twelve people at the most who the Brew of
Speaker 1: prisons would actually ask the court to let out for
Speaker 1: a compassionate release, and all of them were dying. Most
Speaker 1: of them died like days after they were released. So
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eighteen they kind of amended that
Speaker 1: statue said that okay, if the brew of prisons refused
Speaker 1: to fole e motion for compassion release for the prisoner,
Speaker 1: the prisoner himself can go straight to the judge and
Speaker 1: asked the judge to grant him compassionate release. But now
Speaker 1: there was a barrier. Another conflict is because when Congress
Speaker 1: implemented this law or passed this bill in they said
Speaker 1: that the brewer the sentence and commission determines what is
Speaker 1: extraordinary compelling reasons. So that means that the sentence of
Speaker 1: commission would identify criterias under which the judge can actually
Speaker 1: let too out for compassion release. And they put four
Speaker 1: criterias in there, and one of them that you had
Speaker 1: to be over seventy five or sixty five or something
Speaker 1: like that, and you then there are two thirds of
Speaker 1: your time and you in poor health and can't take
Speaker 1: care of yourself. The second one was that she was dying.
Speaker 1: You had some type of terminal illness which you would
Speaker 1: likely die from. The third one was that you was
Speaker 1: the parent of a minor, and the other parents happened
Speaker 1: to die, and so it was important that imparative that
Speaker 1: you'd be out there to take care of that child.
Speaker 1: The other one was what they said was other reasons
Speaker 1: as determined by the Federal Bird of Prisons. So that
Speaker 1: means that the Federal Birth of Prisons can grant offer
Speaker 1: compassion at least for any other reason that they determined. Right,
Speaker 1: But we know that the Federal Brew of Prisons are
Speaker 1: not gonna request I had nobody put out because their
Speaker 1: job is to keep people in prison, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so based on the fact that the
Speaker 1: law had just changed, the two thousand and eighteen saying
Speaker 1: that even if the Brew of Prisons doesn't do it,
Speaker 1: the defender can then go asked the court on his own.
Speaker 1: So you see there as a conflict there. So if
Speaker 1: I can ask the court on my own, why does
Speaker 1: the Brew of Prisons have to be the one to
Speaker 1: determine the other reasons? If I can go to the
Speaker 1: court now, then the court should be able to determine
Speaker 1: other reasons, you know. But now according to the the
Speaker 1: law from the sentence and commission, the judge, the courts
Speaker 1: can do it. But now when you look at the
Speaker 1: new law that was amended, it say that I can
Speaker 1: go to the courts. So then it's contradicting there, it's conflicted.
Speaker 1: And so now fortunately my judge had retired, and now
Speaker 1: I just had a new judge, Amy, I mean Nascy J.
Speaker 1: Rosen Steingel, who was a pointed by Obama, and she
Speaker 1: was a sweetheart. She was good judge, compassionate judge. So
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I'm a fireless motion to her saying
Speaker 1: that she has the authority to determine what is extraordinary
Speaker 1: compelling reasons exactly because it that sentence and commission policy
Speaker 1: contradicts with the amended statue. And so I put everything together.
Speaker 1: You know, I got a lot of letters of support.
Speaker 1: At the time I had been released from solitary confining,
Speaker 1: like four years, five years and like that four and
Speaker 1: a half almost five years, about four and a half
Speaker 1: years I had been released, and I was doing good job.
Speaker 1: I was pretty much ran the prison that president. I
Speaker 1: pretty much ran it. You know, taught classes, you know,
Speaker 1: killed beefs, I save people lives, I did all types
Speaker 1: of stuff and after Tom get citizen in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my prison. If you call the prison now,
Speaker 1: they I ran that prison. I was police. Everybody called
Speaker 1: me bosco. I did what the funk I wanted to
Speaker 1: do in that prison because of my approach. You know,
Speaker 1: any type of incidents. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: made show that dudes was functioning accordingly. You know, why
Speaker 1: don't hear you didn't try to break out again? Uh
Speaker 1: if they would have denied this, if that would yeah, probably,
Speaker 1: so you know what I'm saying. And to be honest
Speaker 1: with you too, I just started saying how they was
Speaker 1: changing the laws with marijuana. So it's like every year
Speaker 1: I was holding onto the fact. Okay, maybe the fast
Speaker 1: gonna decriminalize it, then I'll be able to present something
Speaker 1: then it and get up out of there that way.
Speaker 1: But this last thing I put together, you know, it
Speaker 1: worked out for him. The judge granted it, granted me
Speaker 1: and me to really you know, she ordered them and
Speaker 1: let me write a pot of there. They came and
Speaker 1: kicked me right upot it. That put me on the
Speaker 1: plane flew me to l a X. Was three months ago. Wow, man,
Speaker 1: Now when they come to the fast man, it'd be
Speaker 1: a lot of haterism going on. It'd be a lot
Speaker 1: of haterism going on. Did you have anybody to give
Speaker 1: resistance to this thing he was trying to do? Nah?
Speaker 1: And that's crazy because we always tell ourselves, Man, sh
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna work. We can't do that. Niggas can't
Speaker 1: get together, can't do that. That ain't the results I got.
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised how much if you got the right people,
Speaker 1: just go and approach people and bring people together. How
Speaker 1: many people really want that? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a few who whom few haters who
Speaker 1: don't want it, But them the ones you crush them
Speaker 1: and get them out the way. You know. But overall
Speaker 1: we all want the same thing, But you can't say
Speaker 1: we don't. So if we all can find that common
Speaker 1: ground and say, look, this is what we offer to
Speaker 1: get at the end of the day, it's gonna make
Speaker 1: our time comfortable, it's gonna make our lives comforble, some
Speaker 1: of us might be able to get out of prison.
Speaker 1: That's what we want. You know what I'm saying as
Speaker 1: a whole. But the thing that I found and just
Speaker 1: from experiencing what I noticed, a lot of people just
Speaker 1: got fear. A lot of people just don't want to
Speaker 1: take the chance on putting that on the table because
Speaker 1: they don't want to be perceived a certain way, or
Speaker 1: they don't want to deal with the with the smoke
Speaker 1: when they come to that. They don't they don't want
Speaker 1: to stand up to the resistance, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: or something exactly. But sometimes you got to be riding
Speaker 1: to stand up to that resistance. You got to find like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what the funk am I gonna do? Because I'm in prison,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that was my thing. I'm in there, that's
Speaker 1: my home, you know what I'm saying. So I was
Speaker 1: gonna do things the way that I wanted to, and
Speaker 1: I didn't give a funk about how nobody else thought
Speaker 1: about it. And I was prepared to deal with any
Speaker 1: resistance that came with it because I knew that what
Speaker 1: I was standing on was right, and I don't I've
Speaker 1: been telling myself, you know, if I'm gonna die, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna die for us, right, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because I could have died in the motherfucking cell just
Speaker 1: from old age. But now if I'm a dom a
Speaker 1: die is standing on something that's right. And so that's
Speaker 1: the mentality that I had, you know, but I did
Speaker 1: it with a smile, not with a frown. So just
Speaker 1: three day you're just coming home pretty much. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that's amazing man, because you pretty much beat the city.
Speaker 1: You pretty much beat him twice twice, you broke up
Speaker 1: one time, didn't You've used the mind and made it happen. Man.
Speaker 1: You show them something that they said, we don't have
Speaker 1: the inte the smartest to do some ship like you
Speaker 1: never knowledge to break out of it a federal prison
Speaker 1: and then to use the system to get out of prison.
Speaker 1: If that wouldn't have worked out, it went back to you, man,
Speaker 1: just when we just go yeah under basically turn you
Speaker 1: turn that intellect. You know what I'm saying That Street
Speaker 1: smarts in the intellect by letting the motherfucker knowing about
Speaker 1: knowing them laws and ship against him and ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's that's what it's all about. Us about learning
Speaker 1: the system and learn how to use it to make
Speaker 1: it work for us. You know, sure it is stacked
Speaker 1: against us, but instead of us sitting head complaining about it.
Speaker 1: We need to find out how it operates, because every
Speaker 1: system has a hole that we can squeeze through, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And if we if we figure
Speaker 1: it out and learn the system, then we'll be able
Speaker 1: to make it work for us, even if it's stacked
Speaker 1: against us, you know what I'm saying. That's just like
Speaker 1: how how life is nothing. This is your first time
Speaker 1: when you first when you're just coming home, the first
Speaker 1: time seeing your child. Well, I saw through visits, but
Speaker 1: this is my first time really exactly that that had
Speaker 1: to feel good. Yeah, yeah, we rolled dogs now, you know,
Speaker 1: she's sixteen. Now, we we do a lot together now
Speaker 1: and we got a lot of catching up to tell
Speaker 1: me about a whole lot. That's a beautiful thing. I
Speaker 1: just want to go back to something because this is
Speaker 1: something I've never heard when new when you was in shooting. Now,
Speaker 1: you got the juvenile life sentence. Yeah, you know they
Speaker 1: juvenile courts that sentence you to life too. But the
Speaker 1: thing about it is that at the time, the life
Speaker 1: sentence in the California Youth Authority was until you turn
Speaker 1: twenty five. So when you turn twenty five, you pretty
Speaker 1: much discharged. Man, it seems like they got a million
Speaker 1: in one way is to fund us over. Don't even
Speaker 1: got a million when we need to keep yours, especially
Speaker 1: when it's becoming big business and motherfucker's wrapping money off
Speaker 1: of the ship. We wanna keep your ass in prison. Well,
Speaker 1: you know we talked about this before, and this is
Speaker 1: something you can elaborate on. I got people that's locked
Speaker 1: up like we all do, right, Um, just within the commisary.
Speaker 1: The amount of money that they charge for little things
Speaker 1: on outside there maybe five dollars. Our here is totally different. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy, man. When when I went to prison
Speaker 1: and six, it was totally different. The phone you didn't
Speaker 1: you called Collette. They don't have these pre these cards
Speaker 1: now prepared cards where like you said, you talked ten
Speaker 1: minutes for ten dollars or twenty millions. Um, they figured
Speaker 1: out a way like the county jail and the count
Speaker 1: of jail top Roman was. Now there's a dollar dollar
Speaker 1: fifty probably you know what I'm saying. And the prison
Speaker 1: runs that. Now that's all all that money comes to them.
Speaker 1: Uh Sherman. Black daughter runs the compensary now, so she
Speaker 1: getting and they're making millions. That seems like it would
Speaker 1: be a conflict of entrance. How can you have your
Speaker 1: family lead for the ship and then you want the bed,
Speaker 1: then that sitting in that seat. You're gonna make sure
Speaker 1: when your people come walking in through that door and
Speaker 1: they get that bed in, that's track going right there.
Speaker 1: You feel me, because you're can go get ten noodles
Speaker 1: at the store for a dollar, got damn right, so
Speaker 1: they charged them. They're gonna make them ten noodles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's totally different. Now, it's totally different that they
Speaker 1: monetize everything. Being fuckers, they've always found a way to
Speaker 1: try to put the extra twist on some ship, especially
Speaker 1: if they can do it, and even that it makes
Speaker 1: you have always found a way to make something work,
Speaker 1: Like when they took the cigarettes and you couldn't have
Speaker 1: a light of the matches. Motherfucker's found a way to
Speaker 1: get inside that box and strike the uh the wife
Speaker 1: behind the TV or something to light a cigarette. So
Speaker 1: to have a brain like like yours and to just
Speaker 1: dig way outside the box like nobody else. It's kind
Speaker 1: of weird to sit here and hear somebody shading, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I broke out many times. This is this ain't lost
Speaker 1: for greenus where you get you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Nigger just lit through the ceiling in a prison and
Speaker 1: kind of you gotta know some ship doing that, because
Speaker 1: there ain't no telling. You couldn't hit a wire anything
Speaker 1: else and got fried up in that. Motherfucker said, It's
Speaker 1: just that, that's the intuition of listening and listening to
Speaker 1: sounds and footsteps and knowing the motherfuckert thirty feet away
Speaker 1: and listening to air ducks and bench turning. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's an intellect right there. Have you
Speaker 1: ever had your i Q tested before? Nah? As anybody
Speaker 1: ever told you like that you play a genius, because
Speaker 1: that's probably why you got in trouble so much when
Speaker 1: you was little man, because usually people that are very intelligent.
Speaker 1: Man shady stepped up, Yeah, and was figuring out some
Speaker 1: ship too. Yeah, you just figured it out too soon,
Speaker 1: man like. So that's the past. Man, what's going on now?
Speaker 1: Like y'all said that prison is, uh, they're capitalizing on us.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to capitalize on them now, you know. So
Speaker 1: what I'm here, really, I'm trying to make a difference.
Speaker 1: I want to try to help change the system as
Speaker 1: much as I can so that people don't have to
Speaker 1: go through the things that I went through, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh, at the same time, trying to pretty much
Speaker 1: put prisoners and put people from where we come from
Speaker 1: in position and where we can make our lives better
Speaker 1: and you know, make a living from from the system.
Speaker 1: You know exactly. You've got an organization and something you're
Speaker 1: trying to put together to help. Yeah, I'm putting together
Speaker 1: Chasing Freedom Foundation and things. What is it My do
Speaker 1: is bringing together a bunch of pair of legals, different
Speaker 1: lawyers who want to assist and help and people and
Speaker 1: you know, try to get some of the people who
Speaker 1: in prison that don't belong to be in there, trying
Speaker 1: to get them people out. Then another thing is trying
Speaker 1: to prevent people from me even going there, from even
Speaker 1: getting the prison. And a lot of times we want
Speaker 1: to start early because who's to say that if somebody came,
Speaker 1: you know, people say that I'm smart now and the
Speaker 1: genius now. So suppose when I was five, six, seven eight,
Speaker 1: instead of crips, you know, picking me up and taking
Speaker 1: me through the streets with them, suppose somebody else came
Speaker 1: and got me and took me down a whole another
Speaker 1: road and showed me something else in life. I probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here today. It's definitely went to went to
Speaker 1: prison and went through all of that. You know, I
Speaker 1: could have used my smarts and genius doing something else
Speaker 1: instead of wasting all the years I wasted in prison.
Speaker 1: So the things like, I think it's important that we
Speaker 1: reach out to people while they're young, before they even
Speaker 1: get in the system and try to show them something different,
Speaker 1: you know, and give them an opportunity to do something different.
Speaker 1: And you know, you hear all the time people say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody is an equal opportunity, and that's not
Speaker 1: the truth. You know, it's not. It's not a level
Speaker 1: playing field, you know. And so you know, this guy
Speaker 1: over here has both parents and had a nice home.
Speaker 1: They got the college tuitions paid for, you know, they
Speaker 1: got good health care. You know what I'm saying. They
Speaker 1: go down to these good schools to where they learned
Speaker 1: how to do all these different things. That person is
Speaker 1: way more advanced and has way more opportunity than some
Speaker 1: young kid in comptent who doesn't have anything like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he the young kid
Speaker 1: in competent can't be as good as them people because
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the opportunity, he doesn't have the tools,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the resources. And so I think it's
Speaker 1: it's what our jobs to do, is if we can,
Speaker 1: if we can just somehow give them people some type
Speaker 1: of resources and at the same time show them that
Speaker 1: there's something else to life than what we've been exposed to.
Speaker 1: And then and then you know, not to not to
Speaker 1: say that um as adolescents, that kids can't find a
Speaker 1: different path, but you know, I always say that it's
Speaker 1: a product of the environment and not that kids from
Speaker 1: cities like where we come from, like Compton can't be
Speaker 1: successful in you know, becoming, you know, because we've got
Speaker 1: people like myself who made it out yourself, who made
Speaker 1: it out you know, Venus Arena and all these football
Speaker 1: stars and other rap stars. So but it is, like
Speaker 1: I said, I grew up in a single family home.
Speaker 1: So it just made it that harder hard I had
Speaker 1: to go through a couple of pitfalls before being the light,
Speaker 1: so to speak. So not to say that kids can't
Speaker 1: follow in different pathways, but it just makes it that
Speaker 1: harder when you're coming from one of the environments like
Speaker 1: we come from. Yeah. And then what makes it harder too,
Speaker 1: is that sometimes we don't see it. Sometimes it was
Speaker 1: hard for me to see. Yeah. Well, actually it's it's
Speaker 1: just like a niedle in a haystack. You know. Out
Speaker 1: of three d homies, three of them make it, you know,
Speaker 1: they make their way out. But everybody else, the homies
Speaker 1: is going to prison, starting from lost Madrinas or whatever
Speaker 1: Jumna homes and then all the way to prison. Some
Speaker 1: make it to the fens, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I think, just like yourself, you had enough time
Speaker 1: to sit in there and like man, figure some ship out,
Speaker 1: and then that didn't work. You found another way to
Speaker 1: figure the ship out. A lot of us don't do that.
Speaker 1: And that's what we We got options, and that's you're
Speaker 1: showing us. We got options that even we either just
Speaker 1: wear that way, you know what I'm saying, But you
Speaker 1: got it done. Yeah. And and that's the thing that
Speaker 1: I think I want to show people. I want to
Speaker 1: show people that even though we failed, and even though
Speaker 1: we find ourselves in terrible situations, and even though we
Speaker 1: might find ourselves in prison with a life sentence, that
Speaker 1: is still a chance that we can come out of it.
Speaker 1: We just gotta work a lot harder than anybody else.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to persevere. But there's still a way
Speaker 1: out of that ship, definitely, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We just got to sit down and find that motherfucking way,
Speaker 1: you know. And so even even you know, even though
Speaker 1: life is harder, we have bad experiences, we can't give up,
Speaker 1: you know, definitely, but that's what we need, you know,
Speaker 1: brothers like yourself who trying to initiate uh situations for
Speaker 1: the youth and then a different path so to speak.
Speaker 1: And I think of more, you know, brothers like yourself
Speaker 1: who initiate that uh and give kids a different outlook
Speaker 1: of of what they see in the streets is what
Speaker 1: we mean, feel me. So that's always a good thing.
Speaker 1: When you can learn from your mistakes as a youth,
Speaker 1: you can give back and teach to you something differently,
Speaker 1: something to offer. Like I said, we didn't have too
Speaker 1: many UH role models so to speak, you know, to
Speaker 1: look up to. You know, as as far as I know,
Speaker 1: when I came of age, it was the homies in
Speaker 1: the neighbortood. That's the model, uh, you know, as a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, football, you know, the fireman policeman type of
Speaker 1: ship as a kid, and ship by time you hit
Speaker 1: eleven twelve, you see motherfucker's hitting the corners on datings
Speaker 1: and ship hitting switches with with all the with all
Speaker 1: the females, and you know, the money and all the
Speaker 1: outfits and the female suits and all that ship. It
Speaker 1: starts being intriguing, especially when you coming from that single
Speaker 1: family home because my mom's working all day and my
Speaker 1: sister fucking with the homies. You know, that's they gang
Speaker 1: banging and representing. Said, that's my choices. You feel my
Speaker 1: choice is to fun. I'm gonna start serving or I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start gang banging. Wanted the two and fun. It
Speaker 1: might be both of them, you know, as if I
Speaker 1: had a different choice, Like you said, growing up in
Speaker 1: Serrito's Lakewood or suburban area, so to speak, you give
Speaker 1: me our choices were limited. Yeah, that's this and that's it.
Speaker 1: They're limited. But so it's I think it's up to
Speaker 1: us to just try to give as many opportunities as
Speaker 1: we can and try to redefine what it means to
Speaker 1: be a gangster, because you know, I'm saying, it's like
Speaker 1: we think that it's all about self destruction, you know,
Speaker 1: and suicidal missions and ships and destroying ourselves and our communities.
Speaker 1: That's what it has come to today. So I think
Speaker 1: that's it needs to be redefined, you know, to where
Speaker 1: you know, we got to be more productive and have
Speaker 1: a little more unity and you know, and I think
Speaker 1: that that your message, we'll go a lot further than
Speaker 1: the majority of others because now they got something to
Speaker 1: look at. Okay, I don't have to do this. I
Speaker 1: don't have to be like that. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go through what Bosco went through. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And that's what we want to help push. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's the page I'm definitely on. If
Speaker 1: they can help five kids. Yeah, And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're not gonna get everybody, but if you get one,
Speaker 1: that makes a difference. If I can get one, you
Speaker 1: can get one here and get one. He can get one.
Speaker 1: That makes it difference. And now we got for others
Speaker 1: who can get some more. Definitely let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: I saw something really interesting in your website. You have
Speaker 1: a book publishing company too. Yeah. Yeah, I started on
Speaker 1: publishing company called jail House publishing and the idea behind
Speaker 1: that is to try to help prisoners get their stories out.
Speaker 1: You know that's a great idea. Man. Do you have
Speaker 1: a contact for you guys and may be locked up
Speaker 1: or something. Some of those guys may have incredible I
Speaker 1: know it's some incredible writers that's locked up to Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for
Speaker 1: incredible writers. Anybody who can write, whether it's poetry, palms,
Speaker 1: whether you essays or memoir, uh, you know, novels or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You know, they can get at me
Speaker 1: at my site it's called jail House Publishing dot com. Well,
Speaker 1: they can't reach me on Instagram, at Quante bosco or
Speaker 1: Chasing c H A S I N, Underscore, Freedom f
Speaker 1: R E E, d U M or either Quante Bosco
Speaker 1: Adams dot com. You know, it's several ways to reach me.
Speaker 1: I'm out there. If you just google quante, q U
Speaker 1: A W and t A Y, you know, you'll find
Speaker 1: all my contacts right there. And you have you got
Speaker 1: some big stuff going on? Can you talk about that? Now?
Speaker 1: I can talk about it. I can talk about this
Speaker 1: incredible story. They're actually making a movie. Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: in two thousand and ten, when I was locked in
Speaker 1: solitary with two thousand and nine, some people from the
Speaker 1: UK contacted me about making a documentary about the time
Speaker 1: I broke out of prison. So they made the documentary,
Speaker 1: which is the documentary that y'all seen, and they released
Speaker 1: it in two thousand and ten, and they aired it
Speaker 1: all over the world. And so I will start receiving
Speaker 1: letters from people from all over the world, and like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, We want to know more
Speaker 1: about your story. You know how a kid who dropped
Speaker 1: out the eighth grade thirteen years old from the streets
Speaker 1: and captain how were able to pull off this escape?
Speaker 1: So I wrote a book. The book is called Chasing
Speaker 1: Freedom c h A S I N Freedom f R
Speaker 1: e E d U M. And I call a freedom
Speaker 1: because a lot of d u M. Because we chased
Speaker 1: freedom the wrong way. Sometimes it's really in mind state,
Speaker 1: you know. So I ended up publishing the book self
Speaker 1: published it two thousand, seventeen eighteen something like that. Uh,
Speaker 1: producers in Hollywood came across it hops and then we
Speaker 1: set to start Faminist month Emotion family about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a good thing. Yeah, definitely, because I
Speaker 1: think when I talked to you and I was telling
Speaker 1: you about Sylvesterster Long did a movie and I thought
Speaker 1: that this is crazy. Was this based off of your story?
Speaker 1: When I've seen him. Actually, he was paid to go
Speaker 1: into different prisons to break out of jail, and the
Speaker 1: last prison he went to went bad, so he had
Speaker 1: to figure out how did he get out and would
Speaker 1: have but he was on the motherfucking ship line with
Speaker 1: a whole lot of I mean, in the middle of
Speaker 1: the motherfucking ocean. This just Federal prison was in the
Speaker 1: middle of the ocean. So anyway, when I heard Joe's story,
Speaker 1: I figured that it had to piggy back up what
Speaker 1: you what you lived and and maybe somebody ran a
Speaker 1: cross came. Yeah, I heard that too. When it actually
Speaker 1: came out, somebody told me, like, man, you gotta see
Speaker 1: this movie because you know, the things that that he's
Speaker 1: doing in this movie is identical to the same thing
Speaker 1: that I did. So you know, who knows a person
Speaker 1: who actually wrote the screenplay, wrote the script, probably saw
Speaker 1: the documentary and incorporated some of my things into that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that happens. That happens a whole lot. Man. Well, man,
Speaker 1: we really appreciate having you. Won't here, man, I think
Speaker 1: this is a very like this is not something that
Speaker 1: we hear about every day documentary exactly. It's very well informative. People.
Speaker 1: So you can just put my put my publishing company
Speaker 1: all that song there. People, go to jail House Publishing
Speaker 1: dot com dot you can see my documentary, my books,
Speaker 1: see all that stuff on that. Yeah. And when we
Speaker 1: have that, we have a link to that in our description,
Speaker 1: our show description for the Night Man. And that's another
Speaker 1: episode against the Chronicles. Man, we thank you all for
Speaker 1: tuning in. Man, make sure you go to my man
Speaker 1: site see it again, jail House Publishing dot com. Or
Speaker 1: you can go to uh Chasing Freedom dot com. C
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