WEBVTT - Ep: 80 Prison Break: Chasing Freedom 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:06.040 Right, all right, y'all all across the USC Compton Watts. 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:10.680 Thank to l A from on the California Valley. The Valley, 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.160 we represent that kind of county. So if you're keeping 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:16.840 it reil on your side of your town, you tune 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:22.360 into Gangster Chronicles Chronic Goals. We're gonna tell you how 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.160 we go if I lie my nose a girl like Pinocchio, 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.360 We're gonna tell you the truth and nothing but the truth. 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:33.400 Thanks the Chronicles. This is not your average show. You're 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.120 now tuned into the Rail m C a Day James 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:46.280 and Bix Stairs from the Streets. Hello, thank you for 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.120 tuning into another episode against the Chronicles podcast. 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You know he's the only son 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.479 of one of the original competent crimps, the Compton Crips, 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.440 and he spent the twenty eight of his last forty 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.480 five years confined to the sales of juvenile county, state 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.560 and federal detention facilities. You know, my man grew up 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.400 in a single parent household, little income house and all 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.679 that started selling drugs the age of team driving by 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.120 age of eleven, dropped out of school of thirteen, and 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.280 by fifteen was sentenced to serving juvenile life sentence in 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.600 the California Youth Authority. Got released the nineteen He was 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.320 soon there after back and prayed prison for another six 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.560 years or two months. Got released in September eighteen, two 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.200 thousand and four, and on January two thousand and four, 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.320 at the age of three weeks after his baby was born, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.320 his only child was born, he was arrested con then 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.080 since the thirty five years of federal prison for attempting 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.760 the traffic marijuana. I'm checking this out. My man is 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.120 facing you know, these thirty five years, and you just 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.080 said I'm gonna break up out this motherfucker, right. I 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.600 started forming an escape plan from the moment I walked in. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.720 Every system has a weakness. I was going to cut 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.600 my way out. We'll do that. Just someone would escape 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.280 from our facility. Someone's gonna have to get hurt. We're 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.840 gonna talk about it like, man. So my first question 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.200 there was, Man, let's go back to the game for 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.880 me going to all this. Man, I see marijuana and 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.280 I see thirty five years. What was you doing? How 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.160 many pounds did you have? Man? Like, what was you 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.240 doing for them to give you thirty five years? Really 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.560 it was my priors that really got me to thirty 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.880 five years. But because typically if if it want for 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.600 my prior convictions, you know, I had a prior drug 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:56.320 offense and the prior juvenile saw So that right there 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.919 is what cars and jars enhanced my sentence at thirty five. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.280 So if it wan't for that, I probably would end 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.200 up with something like ten of fifteen or fifteen or 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.520 something like that. But even still, yeah, that still a 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.239 lot of times some weed, man, even still considered irrelevant 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.960 of the prize. I mean, we're talking about marijuana. We're 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.840 talking about the motherfucking leaf were talked about playing. Yeah, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.640 that ship right there, you're smoking right there, that's legal 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.360 smell all of them. Ten Freeway when you're driving over here. 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.919 Yeah exactly. Yeah, So like like take me back, man, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:35.440 So it seems like you just had a really turbulent childhood, man, 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.480 because you know, we we cooled your pops and everything, 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:43.400 Man shot up to the ony. Yeah, my childhood was different. 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:48.080 I mean, probably not too much different than other people 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.240 come from the same community I come from. But I 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:55.280 guess the thing that separated me from most other kids 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.440 that came from my community was the fact that I 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.960 was a little more advanced. So you know, I kind 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.600 of stepped off the porch a lot sooner than most 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.920 other kids did. And then, be honest with you, back 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.800 then in the eighties, that was like comment, you know 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.480 what I'm saying. You know, from Compton, it was common 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.400 for us to step off the porch at eleven, twelve, 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.680 thirteen years old. If you stepped off the porch at 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:24.160 sixteen seventeen, he was a late bloomer, you know what 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.000 I'm saying. So, but when we put it in contrast 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.400 to society as a whole, that was a different childhood. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.400 But at the same time, it was a childhood that 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.320 was pretty much given to us because as a kid, 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:44.080 we only know what we see. Yeah, so if if 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:51.880 we see other juveniles selling drugs and driving cars, then 0:04:52.000 --> 0:05:00.279 quite naturally we're gonna fall in the same footsteps any something. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:04.159 Growing up in the neighborhood. I saw Motherfucker's that. I 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:09.560 was twelve thirteen seeing Motherfucker's a fucking Nissig trucks and 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.680 ship the ski racks, Volkswagon buds with the plus and 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.960 ship here or man, I'm like ship for role model, ship. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.960 I need me some great Yeah, everybody that's that's and 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.080 I think everybody had a Sack back then. It was 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.960 the money was just like that, especially where he came from, 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.520 because that's when you had your baby games, that your 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.359 turtles and on those Yeah, exactly. Then the people I 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:36.800 looked up to Sack Street Springs exactly. Man, Yeah, definitely, 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.120 half one side of the block was sold up, exactly 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.640 when you get halfway in that block. It was only credit. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.240 You wouldn't coming up that way and that she was purchasing, exactly. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.440 And they had a lot of youngsters at the time, 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:54.880 you know, like every other neighborhood, but over there they 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.279 were more advantage because they was really into it. But 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:05.080 it was the correct thing. Marijuana, I'm thinking, yeah, and 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.359 That's what's really tripped me up because even with his friars, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.240 they came from him being a kid pretty much. And 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.040 it's just like they gave enhancement for some weed. It's 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:17.160 not like he was getting got caught with twenty five kilos. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:22.840 How many pounds we did drive fourteen pounds of weed. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:29.640 That's a lot of weeds still turned around. It was like, 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:36.919 that's a lot about that bucket. But then at the 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.640 same time, like I never even got it because it 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:46.840 was like a sting operation. They actually confiscated it down 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:52.120 in Texas to the person who was transporting into me. Yeah, uh, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.760 brought it to St. Louis where I was supposed to 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.640 pick it up. What you have just done at the 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:03.040 time at the time, so man, tell me you get 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.880 locked up, man, And so pretty much just me looking 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.440 at the you know, the re enacting us. Man, you 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.840 pretty much had made up in your mind from the 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:13.640 time you pulled up into that she was getting upon 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:20.280 of that motherfucker. Well, when I first got arrested, that 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.920 was in my state of mind because at the time 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.320 I think he kind of made a mistake there. My 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.640 daughter wasn't born yet. She was conceived two months before 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.480 two weeks before I was arrested. So I just found 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.840 that when I was arrested, that I got a child 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.080 trying to have a child brought into this world. And 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.120 so that right there is what really like sparked me, 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.040 you know, because I've been doing time all my life. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.920 But just the fact that, okay, I can be because 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.840 I was looking at life, I could be sentenced to 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:56.360 life for some motherfucking marijuana. I ain't killed nobody. That 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.040 was one of the factors. Then the other factors that 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.920 I got a child that's going to come into this world, 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:08.640 my only child. So and I always told myself that 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.960 if I bring the child into this world, I want 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.280 to be out there to raise it. You know. I 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:20.240 don't want to be an absent father and let my 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.520 child go through the same thing that I went through. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.400 You know what I'm saying, We don't want to repeat 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.640 that cycle. Somebody got to break the cycle. And you know, 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.120 I told myself that I'm worth more than that to 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.559 be repeating the cycle. So it kind of like when 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.079 reality sat in, it's like it kind of like sucked 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.040 me up, like this is it, this could be my life. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.840 I can go down as a motherfucker who died in prison, 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:52.360 who had a child and wasn't there for the child legacy, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:58.920 and that's it. I didn't want that. So you know 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.240 what I'm saying. After a couple of months, in a 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.400 few months, and I said, I'm gonna breakout. And so 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.920 I actually, uh tried to break out there and uh 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:13.880 somebody snitched on me and they placed me in solitary confinement. 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.840 When I was in solitary confinement, I tried to escape again, 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:22.320 got close. Police called me coming out event they happened 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:26.400 to be outside smoking cigarettes at the time. So from 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.599 there they took me to this other prison which was 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.040 supposed to be a maximum security. They placed me in 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.720 a cell twenty four hours a day with a camera 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.000 in there. I didn't come out for nothing anything. The 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.000 only thing I came out was for a shower three 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:46.880 times a week. He was under watching twenty four hours. Yeah, 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:51.000 and uh that's the deal that I actually escaped from. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.040 And so while under twenty four hours, serveillans and UM 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.360 just throw this sak in there. This is teen years 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.360 before el was escaped. Know, you're the only prisoner to 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:07.199 successfully escape from being monitored around the Clark. Yeah, So 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.439 it made a big deal. You know, the media ate 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:16.360 it up. I'm sure labeled spart. Don't go to a 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:21.480 maximum uh secure prison and then just think, Okay, I'm 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.599 going to get out of here. I mean, you have 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:28.320 to think strategically that, like, I mean, your mindset had 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.319 to be one D to escape from a prison like that. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.600 You have to really be sitting back down. I don't 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:39.800 I'm gonna do this now. I'm calculating. Everybody moves. Is 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.160 when the guards come and watched the video and you 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.120 pretty much shitt back and paid attention to everything. You 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.760 didn't jot it down. Everything was in your head. The 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.520 average brother aren't doing that. Yeah, that's something I picked 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.400 up along the way. Though. It's like, was at your 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.160 determination just to get the funk up? That's all of this? 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.840 Keep lock me up in here. I'm gonna be contemplating 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.199 the way to get up exactly because I got a 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.040 kid on the way and nothing that's gonna stop me 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.760 from trying to get the funk out of here. Regardless 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.439 of what monitory, ship or cameras or wherever you try 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.720 to lock me up. Your whole determination was I gotta 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.679 get the funkbout of exactly. I gotta get out of 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:28.800 here without sacrificing my soul because I still have principles. 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.199 I could have told and got out, but that I 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.600 wasn't going to do that. And it's not so much 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.760 of the fact that just being labled a snitch, is 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:41.480 the fact that I don't do things that I consider wrong. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:45.520 And I consider if men eight get caught up, it's 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.920 wrong for me, you get away, it's wrong for me 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.800 to come tell on you what I'm saying that. That's 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.600 because there's no honor in that. And so I wouldn't 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.439 do anything that, you know what I'm saying that I 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.280 would have to live with justice. I didn't want to 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.200 live with being consider to dad father. I couldn't live 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.959 with myself knowing that I put eight in prison. What 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:10.920 I'm saying, and not only that, assistant the evil, wicked 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.679 war on drugs that is designed to put black men 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:18.959 in prison. Why the funk would I assist in that? Exactly? Yeah, man, 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.400 So so let me ask you this man, you locked 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.880 up like I'm just picturing this. You in the six 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.560 six ft sale, right, You're in the six ft sale. Man, 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.480 it's a camera that watching you every move from when 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.360 you go to sleep, when when you use the bathroom 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:37.880 and everything else. Take us through how you got this done? Man, Like, 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:39.720 what did you get the sawt from? You know, because 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.719 we saw the documentary, of course, But I want to 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.920 take everybody through this, like walking through the whole plan. Man. Yeah, 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.839 Like you know, from the first time when I got 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.079 caught trying to escape the first time and I was 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:56.439 placing solitary confinement, that determination was still there. So from 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.719 that moment I started being calculating on everything I did. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.200 You know, from my weight. You know, I wouldn't eat. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.599 You know, I wanted to be slim as possible so 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.880 that I can squeeze through different things. You know. I 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.360 didn't read books and none of that ship. I didn't 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.480 you know, play games. Everything I did was just pretty 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.840 much observing and trying to figure out how I can 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.360 beat the system and escape. So it pretty much became 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.079 habitual to where everything I did was geared towards that. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.800 You know what I'm saying. I just sit back and 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.560 listen to high police walk. So now I know, okay, 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.480 that's such and such going to come up to tear 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.760 you know, from the way he walked his steps. You 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.400 know what I'm saying, I watched and see how how 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.480 how long it strides are? You know, And so when 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.880 I hear him take thirty steps, I can say, okay, 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.520 it's try his foot. So that means if you take 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.959 thirty steps, he's thirty feet away. I'm saying that. Just 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.199 different things like that, and it just became habitual. I 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.199 got it too, like a zone. And the thing was 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.080 just pretty much Geared Choy getting the hell out of jail, 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:06.200 breaking out? You know, how how did you break out? Do? Uh? 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.760 Just like how the documentary said. You know, I had 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:14.280 a hacks All blade talking for the people. Well, you know, 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.319 the people can read that book to Chasing Freedom and 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.840 and learn a whole lot, you know, pretty much details 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.600 about my whole life. But to give him something here, 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.720 you know, I had a hacks All blade smugger that 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.600 side of a book and the cover of a book, 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:33.320 had it sent to another prisoner. It was a book 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.840 I knew the prisoner wasn't gonna read because he was 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.480 in the urban novel. So I was like the only 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:45.880 person on that uh grange exactly, So you know, it 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.640 was intentionally to saying the books to this other prisoner. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.840 He didn't know where they came from. He just received books. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:58.040 And inside that intellectual book was where I had the 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:02.600 salt blade, inside concealed the side to cover hart back, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.880 and I knew eventually that that book will come to 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.680 me because don't nobody on the range read these type 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:15.680 of books. Pool a little liquor and roll something up, Chronicles, 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:21.480 We'll be right back where you at. This is o 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:26.120 g Gangster Granny and against the Chronicles podcast is bad 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.400 in effect getting ready for some of that g ship 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:34.040 and blaze up some wanna merrow you just playing the 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.400 whole thing else You said this book when you ordered 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.880 the book, initially you knew it was gonna come back 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.440 around to you exactly because of w came to you 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:45.160 off the rip data. Knew we had to check this 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.240 out right exactly. Everything that was coming to me was 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:52.120 going straight to the superintendent, and he was on everything, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.640 you know, with combing through it finally and thoroughly inspected. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.200 It might not even get it because a lot of 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.480 things I weren't allowed to have any and a hard 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.760 backed book I went to being able to get that, 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:05.560 so you know what I'm saying. It took me a 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.800 while to figure out how I was gonna get it, 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.200 and I figured, okay, that was the avenue right there, 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.000 and uh I cut a hole in the ceiling behind 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.880 the camera and was able to squeeze up there and 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.880 chiselm my way through another little barrier, got up into 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.240 an attic where the exhaust events and all that the 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:31.480 ventilation system was. Uh so, how did you how did you? 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.200 You just you just figured out that you knew where 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.720 these spots was that you was just sucking. I'm just 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.560 gonna cut decline and see what the next level I 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:44.120 get to to a degree, that was it. Because but 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:48.560 at the same time, based on when I was in 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:53.200 the previous solitary confinement after the first escape, I used 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.960 to hear like noise, right I live up in the celling. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.920 I hear noise like that wasn't coming from solitary confined 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.560 and wasn't coming from that little maximum security wing. It 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.800 was traveling from somewhere. So just hearing that noise just like, man, 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.359 there's something you know, the ventilation system. So what I 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.600 started doing is I would just read it as much 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:19.000 as I can about like ventilation systems. Like when since 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.480 I was little, I used to ask myself questions like 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.399 what what's the purpose of that? So inside this sale 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:30.080 we had like the exhaust vents. You got two of them, 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.320 one that blows there and one that doesn't. I don't 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.159 know shit about this, but I'm asking myself, what's the 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.760 purpose of that? And I just start reading. I would 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.440 get like, you know, how the newspapers come through and 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.600 they got the home section, and I would notice that 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:51.520 every how's got this vent. So then it's common sense, Okay, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:55.399 event is there that man? Is that okay exhaust, that 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.399 man that you know for to release carbon oxide and 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.960 ship like that. So I assume, I, okay, if it's 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.520 event on this sale, and that event has to be 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.359 leading to another event that leads outside of this building, 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.320 you know what I'm saying. And so I was right 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.800 about that, you know what I'm saying. So I knew that, 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.639 you know what I'm saying, at any building there is 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.040 an exhaust, you know what I'm saying, because if there's 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.280 not an exhaust, we all would die and hear you 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.920 know what I'm saying. Now, what would I encounter at 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.560 that exhaust? I didn't know. That was just a chance 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:31.080 I was willing to take, you know, hopefully that you 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.920 know I encounter something that I can cut through, kick 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.680 through or whatever, or even if if I would have 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:38.600 got there and couldn't get through it, if I would 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.240 have had access to the outside to where I could 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.600 have probably made a fishing line and fish something else 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.200 and from somebody else. So yeah, I didn't. I didn't 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.840 exactly know what was up there. Eight. I just uh 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:54.840 was pretty much going off for you know, assumption, you know, calculate, 0:18:55.160 --> 0:19:00.480 and uh, I would just listen to all of movement 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.040 that was going on inside the zeil, you know, try 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.439 to size the buildings up and try to make an 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:10.600 estimated what's over here, what's over there, and ship like that, 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:15.600 and pretty much I had, Uh my estimation came out 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.920 to be right, you know, I summed it all up correctly. 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:22.600 And so you know this without help, Yeah, without help, 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:27.560 that's determination. Yeah that's not just the termination. That's genius too, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.280 because you also thought of your ride too. So let's 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.240 go into the female. We ain't gotta bring her name 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:40.280 up or nothing like that. Yeah, let's let's go into 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.879 the female. Man that you add your female accomplished man 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.960 not not accomplished so to speak. So you pretty much 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:47.480 have to have you a ride when you got up 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:48.840 about it, and she had to be on time to 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:50.440 be there waiting, and you could have got cut. Like 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.879 you said, people can't you smoking cigarettes before? How did 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.720 that all come about? Uh? So you said, I knew 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.439 that I had to get away quickly, that I needed 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:06.080 a getaway driver, and I didn't want anybody who was 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.640 connected to me. What I'm saying because at that time, 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.760 I like, you know, that was my first time in 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.240 the fairst and you hit it in the streets, you 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.240 hit the ruins about when the fairst get you, you 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.679 know they're watching you, They're watching everybody. They know everything. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.359 Everybody phone tapped, so to be cautious, I kind of 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:27.080 assumed that. So I didn't want to like bring anybody 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:33.000 that I knew in. And at the same time, I 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:38.640 wanted somebody who who couldn't trick leave a trail back 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.760 to where I would be or who who I was 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.960 or whatever. So, uh, it was a guy in the 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:48.879 cell next to me. First what I did is I 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.760 jimmy rigged the phone inside myself because at that place 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.199 we couldn't come out. So they in the walls they 0:20:55.280 --> 0:21:00.480 had like these little phones, it's like speaker phones, and uh, 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.560 we would make calls on them. You know, we would 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.680 get like a little calling card, prepaid calling card, and 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.920 you know, well the prison, you know, you might pay 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:12.879 ten dollars and they give you twenty minutes of phone 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:17.359 time or whatever. Yeah, you know, we would talk on them. 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:19.680 But it wasn't a receiver. It was just all speaking. 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.960 So I broke into the phone, rigged it to where 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.679 all my calls was going through the prison's direct line, 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:34.320 so I was making outside calls sent. Yeah, they used 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:40.639 to call him mcgiving man. So let's just get this 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.040 straight audience. This man Jimmy rigged the phone inside the 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.520 jail cell which people are making free phone calls. It 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:48.680 was free. Everything is free. So he was making free 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:50.639 phone calls in the shopping up and you make the 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:54.800 you make the baby girl. Yeah, it was a dude 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.879 in the cell next to me. It's like because you 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.200 can hear, like per sitting the cell next to me 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:05.159 can hear my conversations because they speaker phones and in 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.040 this part of the wall is hollow, so you just 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.760 in your cell, I can't hear what you're talking about 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:13.520 on the phone. So this guy, he knew I was, 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.840 you know, getting free calls. Because I was constantly called. 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.840 I would just call all days, just be calling, right, 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:26.600 and uh so I used to make calls for him. 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:30.280 I would like call his girl or his people, and 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.440 he would be at his phone and he would like 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:35.840 scream through because you can still hear it, like what 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.399 I'm saying. So anyway, it was a girl that he 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.000 had met in the classifies whatever, and he gave me 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:46.040 the number. So at the time, I wasn't really into 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:48.040 none of that right there. My whole thing was just 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.040 breaking out, escape and I want in the past and 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:53.480 no time with no broads and nothing. I won't even 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:55.560 write my own people, you know what I'm saying That 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.399 I wasn't leaving no trail, no contacts, and none of that. 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.160 So but click to me, like where is she from? 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:06.440 She around here? Okay, that might be a potential ride, 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:10.960 you know, and somebody that's not connected to me, you know. 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:15.160 So I took the NUMBERNA started talking to her, got 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:19.760 close with her, and uh she picked me up from 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:23.720 the prison when I broke out. The plan was to 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:28.119 ask somebody else come pick me up and take me 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.280 to Chicago. Why she was supposed to be going out 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.600 shopping to bring the phone and other different clothes from me. 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:39.160 But it didn't happen that way. Leave her right there 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:43.280 so she don't know wherehing exactly and kill that. So 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:52.200 this your father, they can go exactly right there and 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:54.199