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Speaker 1: start connecting with people like that, you start growing feeling

428
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: as yourself. And it's not even a physical thing no more,

429
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: you know, as far as because you might not even

430
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: have to see a person, but just the fact that

431
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: a man and a woman would kind of like meant

432
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: to be so just to act you communication and you know,

433
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: to be able to bond with one another just through

434
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: words exactly, you know. And sometimes you will find yourself

435
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: like that, Okay, I'm feeling this person, and I'm gonna

436
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: be keeping one hunted before I saw. That's how you know.

437
00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying I was feeling something I saw. I ain't

438
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: on this lady like that. How long have you been

439
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: how long have you been locked up at that time?

440
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: I've been locked up a little over to like two

441
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: and a half year, So you knocked it down. I'm

442
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: pretty sure when you when you had no time, I

443
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: didn't and that that was and that was saying no,

444
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: because to be honest with you, I'm gonna keep it realist.

445
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: Like my thing. I once, once she had done what

446
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: she did for me, I was more so now concerned, Okay,

447
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: let me get away and let me cover her tracks.

448
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: So I knew that okay, with her then missing, if

449
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: she would have just stayed there with me and she

450
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: had appointments and work in different places to be somebody

451
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: could have reported her missing or she could have been missing,

452
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: and then at the same time, it could have somehow

453
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: linked her back to where because she stopped and got

454
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: some gas across the street from the jail, and so

455
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: I knew that eventually that could trace her back to

456
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: Ben there at the jail at that time, you know.

457
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: So basically I'm just trying to come up with ways

458
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: to cover her tracks and prevent her from getting in

459
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: any trouble. So I pretty much instead of she wanted

460
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: to stay there with me, but I'm like, I think

461
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: the best thing for you, for me personally, that would

462
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: have been the best thing. I should have kept it

463
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: right there in the room until my ride came and

464
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: then just disappeared. But then soft, you can say, being

465
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 1: more concerned about not wanting to get her in trouble

466
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: based on how far she had went. I wanted to

467
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: help her cover her track. So my thing was like,

468
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: continue to stick to your normal schedule. Don't change nothing

469
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: up because if you change something, that makes it make

470
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: you look suspicious. She had a doctor appointment, Go to

471
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: your doctor point and go do all that stuff that

472
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: she had schedule to do. So that you want to

473
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: become missing and people want to assume that, Okay, you

474
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: might be involved in it, you know. And what happened

475
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: is she actually went home sooner than she was supposed to,

476
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: and they was over there sitting there waiting for They

477
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: picked him up and they took him to the McDonald's

478
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: and St. Louis. You got to lot, tell me the truth,

479
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: to tell you where is he? Where is Pine? He

480
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: can't do so they was over there waiting for us.

481
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: So how long had you actually been free? I think

482
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: I've been free like ten hours something like that. Man,

483
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: you wanted out no time. Theory became and got your ways,

484
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, this man, how was it?

485
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: When did you know that? When did you know that

486
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: the gig was up? Did they kick the doors in?

487
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: Did you get them coming coming to get you? I

488
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: looked out the window and saw a dude with police

489
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: written across his windbreaker in the back look and in

490
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: the trash can, and that's when I kind of knew.

491
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: So I went to the front door and was trying

492
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: to step out, and I just heard a bunch of footsteps.

493
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: You know, you hear like a bunch of noise. It's

494
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: some common noise, so you know that it's more than

495
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: more people around and it normally supposed to be you

496
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So that's when I knew, like, Okay,

497
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: they're out there for me, just from the noise I'm

498
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: hearing all the commotion and footsteps or whatever, you know

499
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, and it was it was around a

500
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: time like that. You weren't normally here. You know, there's

501
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: many footsteps, you know, just walking around. So I'm like, okay,

502
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: they must be out there coming and get me. And

503
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: for the record, she dimes you out right, yeah yeah yeah.

504
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: When he called her, yeah, yeah, you know, they roughed

505
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: me up, put the gun to my head. You know,

506
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: they celebrated high five. You know what I'm saying. But

507
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: I knew they had to change you. Yeah, they wanted

508
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: to know how. You know, they were a little fascinated.

509
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: They got to talk about movies and books and all

510
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: this type of ship like you know, it's just joking,

511
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: but they were. They were fascinated by Yeah, I'm sure

512
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: they was curious. Yeah, so now we're gonna aftermath because

513
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: they know you wouldn't escape artists, they really know what

514
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: happened once you get back? Man, did they transfer you

515
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: somewhere else? They took me to federal Supermax. And this

516
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: was super max where once you get convicted, then you

517
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: this is what John got in. All that was locked

518
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: that supermax. So I was pre tried. I hadn't even

519
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: been to trial yet. But the judge, they went to

520
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: my judge. They put me in the car and took

521
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: me straight to the court building. Went in front of

522
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: my judge and say, look, we can't we can't keep

523
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: them in no the chansion facilities. We gotta give us

524
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: permission to put him in the federal supermax with all

525
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: of the convicted people. And the judge signed off on it.

526
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: They took me to Supermax and and I was in

527
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: super Max and when it's time for my court to come,

528
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: they had come get me a bunch of cars, put

529
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: me in in dried me to court, and take me

530
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: back to the super Max. Now this is the this

531
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: is the ladies and gentlemen. Right. That really tripped me out.

532
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: So you get you get your citizens right now and

533
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: everything right, Yeah, I got sens. It's like, uh, four

534
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: years two years after I escaped, close to two years

535
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: something like that. Now, what happened because you beat him again,

536
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: Let's go through the details of that. Because you beat

537
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: them once more, but you beat them to me, which

538
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: is a much better way because if you would escaped

539
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: before and been successful, you'd have been pretty much onna

540
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: run your whole life the ridsk of your life. What

541
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: happened was they sentenced me to thirty five years. Uh.

542
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: And that was because of the marijuana, because of the marijuanas,

543
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: just for the marijuana. Thirty five years just from marijuana. Uh,

544
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: but chop of that. Donna give you thirty package. You

545
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: didn't you didn't escape from well, I got five years

546
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: five five five fall and escape, But they running together,

547
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: and they gave me a thirty five just for the marijuana.

548
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: Oh so he was about to do about sixty years

549
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: now now because they had to rent it concurring. So

550
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, the thirty five is just for the marijuana. Uh.

551
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: But in two thousand and twenty or two thousand and

552
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: the and the two thousand and nineteen really in two

553
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen is when you know, I've seen it.

554
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: And beginning in two thousand nineteen started saying like a

555
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: little there was a conflict in the law. And you know,

556
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: whenever there is a conflict or disagreement in the law

557
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: where the language doesn't match, it's up to the judges

558
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: to interpret it. That's what judges are for. Judges hold

559
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: job is to interpret law. They're supposed to be the

560
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: referee and between the prosecutor and the defendants and uh

561
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: and also the sentences too. But so there's with some

562
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: conflict in the law which is called compassion and release statute,

563
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: and where uh, the sentence and commission are the ones

564
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: who are supposed to determine what amounts to extraordinary compelling

565
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: reasons to release a person on compassion release. But the

566
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: language conflicted with something that was changed during the first

567
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: step back, so pretty much I saw like you'd have

568
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: to be like understand the law to really understand it.

569
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: But there was a conflict in the law right there.

570
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: And my position was that, okay, since there's a conflict

571
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: in this law right here, since one thing says one

572
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: and another part says another, thing, gets up to the

573
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: just to interpret what it actually means. And the thing

574
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: that was conflicting it was whether who can determine because

575
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: there's a when when? What was it eighty four when

576
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: they sent eight four eighty four when Reagan signed in

577
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: the sentence and reformat and they took away parole. So

578
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: when they took away parole, they also put in a

579
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: section called a compassionate release. Section was said that the

580
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: Brew of Prisons can ask the courts to release a

581
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: prisoner or reduce his sentence for extraordinary compelling reasons. Because

582
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: without that, that means that anybody with a life sentence

583
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: for thirty years or whatever, you're just being there for

584
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: that and can never get out, even if you're dying.

585
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: So the Brew of Prisons was never actually acting courts

586
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: to release prisoners under this statue. Every year you might

587
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: get twelve people at the most who the Brew of

588
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: prisons would actually ask the court to let out for

589
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: a compassionate release, and all of them were dying. Most

590
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: of them died like days after they were released. So

591
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eighteen they kind of amended that

592
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: statue said that okay, if the brew of prisons refused

593
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: to fole e motion for compassion release for the prisoner,

594
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: the prisoner himself can go straight to the judge and

595
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: asked the judge to grant him compassionate release. But now

596
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: there was a barrier. Another conflict is because when Congress

597
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: implemented this law or passed this bill in they said

598
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: that the brewer the sentence and commission determines what is

599
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: extraordinary compelling reasons. So that means that the sentence of

600
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: commission would identify criterias under which the judge can actually

601
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: let too out for compassion release. And they put four

602
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: criterias in there, and one of them that you had

603
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: to be over seventy five or sixty five or something

604
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: like that, and you then there are two thirds of

605
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: your time and you in poor health and can't take

606
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: care of yourself. The second one was that she was dying.

607
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: You had some type of terminal illness which you would

608
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: likely die from. The third one was that you was

609
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: the parent of a minor, and the other parents happened

610
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: to die, and so it was important that imparative that

611
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: you'd be out there to take care of that child.

612
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: The other one was what they said was other reasons

613
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: as determined by the Federal Bird of Prisons. So that

614
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: means that the Federal Birth of Prisons can grant offer

615
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: compassion at least for any other reason that they determined. Right,

616
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: But we know that the Federal Brew of Prisons are

617
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: not gonna request I had nobody put out because their

618
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: job is to keep people in prison, you know what

619
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so based on the fact that the

620
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: law had just changed, the two thousand and eighteen saying

621
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: that even if the Brew of Prisons doesn't do it,

622
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: the defender can then go asked the court on his own.

623
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: So you see there as a conflict there. So if

624
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: I can ask the court on my own, why does

625
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: the Brew of Prisons have to be the one to

626
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: determine the other reasons? If I can go to the

627
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: court now, then the court should be able to determine

628
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: other reasons, you know. But now according to the the

629
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: law from the sentence and commission, the judge, the courts

630
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: can do it. But now when you look at the

631
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: new law that was amended, it say that I can

632
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: go to the courts. So then it's contradicting there, it's conflicted.

633
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: And so now fortunately my judge had retired, and now

634
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: I just had a new judge, Amy, I mean Nascy J.

635
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: Rosen Steingel, who was a pointed by Obama, and she

636
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: was a sweetheart. She was good judge, compassionate judge. So

637
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I'm a fireless motion to her saying

638
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: that she has the authority to determine what is extraordinary

639
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: compelling reasons exactly because it that sentence and commission policy

640
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: contradicts with the amended statue. And so I put everything together.

641
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: You know, I got a lot of letters of support.

642
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: At the time I had been released from solitary confining,

643
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: like four years, five years and like that four and

644
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: a half almost five years, about four and a half

645
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: years I had been released, and I was doing good job.

646
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: I was pretty much ran the prison that president. I

647
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: pretty much ran it. You know, taught classes, you know,

648
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 1: killed beefs, I save people lives, I did all types

649
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: of stuff and after Tom get citizen in there. Yeah,

650
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: that was my prison. If you call the prison now,

651
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: they I ran that prison. I was police. Everybody called

652
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: me bosco. I did what the funk I wanted to

653
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: do in that prison because of my approach. You know,

654
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: any type of incidents. You know what I'm saying. I

655
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: made show that dudes was functioning accordingly. You know, why

656
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: don't hear you didn't try to break out again? Uh

657
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: if they would have denied this, if that would yeah, probably,

658
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: so you know what I'm saying. And to be honest

659
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: with you too, I just started saying how they was

660
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: changing the laws with marijuana. So it's like every year

661
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: I was holding onto the fact. Okay, maybe the fast

662
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: gonna decriminalize it, then I'll be able to present something

663
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 1: then it and get up out of there that way.

664
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: But this last thing I put together, you know, it

665
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: worked out for him. The judge granted it, granted me

666
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: and me to really you know, she ordered them and

667
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: let me write a pot of there. They came and

668
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: kicked me right upot it. That put me on the

669
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: plane flew me to l a X. Was three months ago. Wow, man,

670
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: Now when they come to the fast man, it'd be

671
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: a lot of haterism going on. It'd be a lot

672
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: of haterism going on. Did you have anybody to give

673
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: resistance to this thing he was trying to do? Nah?

674
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: And that's crazy because we always tell ourselves, Man, sh

675
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna work. We can't do that. Niggas can't

676
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: get together, can't do that. That ain't the results I got.

677
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised how much if you got the right people,

678
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: just go and approach people and bring people together. How

679
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: many people really want that? You know what I'm saying.

680
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a few who whom few haters who

681
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: don't want it, But them the ones you crush them

682
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: and get them out the way. You know. But overall

683
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: we all want the same thing, But you can't say

684
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: we don't. So if we all can find that common

685
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: ground and say, look, this is what we offer to

686
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: get at the end of the day, it's gonna make

687
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: our time comfortable, it's gonna make our lives comforble, some

688
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: of us might be able to get out of prison.

689
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: That's what we want. You know what I'm saying as

690
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: a whole. But the thing that I found and just

691
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: from experiencing what I noticed, a lot of people just

692
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: got fear. A lot of people just don't want to

693
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: take the chance on putting that on the table because

694
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: they don't want to be perceived a certain way, or

695
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: they don't want to deal with the with the smoke

696
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: when they come to that. They don't they don't want

697
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: to stand up to the resistance, you know what I'm saying,

698
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: or something exactly. But sometimes you got to be riding

699
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: to stand up to that resistance. You got to find like, Okay,

700
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: what the funk am I gonna do? Because I'm in prison,

701
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying that was my thing. I'm in there, that's

702
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: my home, you know what I'm saying. So I was

703
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: gonna do things the way that I wanted to, and

704
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: I didn't give a funk about how nobody else thought

705
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: about it. And I was prepared to deal with any

706
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: resistance that came with it because I knew that what

707
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: I was standing on was right, and I don't I've

708
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: been telling myself, you know, if I'm gonna die, I'm

709
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: gonna die for us, right, you know what I'm saying,

710
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: Because I could have died in the motherfucking cell just

711
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: from old age. But now if I'm a dom a

712
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: die is standing on something that's right. And so that's

713
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: the mentality that I had, you know, but I did

714
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: it with a smile, not with a frown. So just

715
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: three day you're just coming home pretty much. Yeah, man,

716
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: that's amazing man, because you pretty much beat the city.

717
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: You pretty much beat him twice twice, you broke up

718
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: one time, didn't You've used the mind and made it happen. Man.

719
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: You show them something that they said, we don't have

720
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: the inte the smartest to do some ship like you

721
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: never knowledge to break out of it a federal prison

722
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: and then to use the system to get out of prison.

723
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: If that wouldn't have worked out, it went back to you, man,

724
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: just when we just go yeah under basically turn you

725
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: turn that intellect. You know what I'm saying That Street

726
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: smarts in the intellect by letting the motherfucker knowing about

727
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: knowing them laws and ship against him and ship. Yeah,

728
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: And that's that's what it's all about. Us about learning

729
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: the system and learn how to use it to make

730
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: it work for us. You know, sure it is stacked

731
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: against us, but instead of us sitting head complaining about it.

732
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: We need to find out how it operates, because every

733
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: system has a hole that we can squeeze through, you

734
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And if we if we figure

735
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: it out and learn the system, then we'll be able

736
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: to make it work for us, even if it's stacked

737
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: against us, you know what I'm saying. That's just like

738
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: how how life is nothing. This is your first time

739
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: when you first when you're just coming home, the first

740
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: time seeing your child. Well, I saw through visits, but

741
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: this is my first time really exactly that that had

742
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: to feel good. Yeah, yeah, we rolled dogs now, you know,

743
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: she's sixteen. Now, we we do a lot together now

744
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: and we got a lot of catching up to tell

745
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: me about a whole lot. That's a beautiful thing. I

746
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: just want to go back to something because this is

747
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: something I've never heard when new when you was in shooting. Now,

748
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: you got the juvenile life sentence. Yeah, you know they

749
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: juvenile courts that sentence you to life too. But the

750
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: thing about it is that at the time, the life

751
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: sentence in the California Youth Authority was until you turn

752
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: twenty five. So when you turn twenty five, you pretty

753
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: much discharged. Man, it seems like they got a million

754
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: in one way is to fund us over. Don't even

755
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: got a million when we need to keep yours, especially

756
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: when it's becoming big business and motherfucker's wrapping money off

757
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: of the ship. We wanna keep your ass in prison. Well,

758
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: you know we talked about this before, and this is

759
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: something you can elaborate on. I got people that's locked

760
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: up like we all do, right, Um, just within the commisary.

761
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: The amount of money that they charge for little things

762
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: on outside there maybe five dollars. Our here is totally different. Now, yeah,

763
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: it's just crazy, man. When when I went to prison

764
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: and six, it was totally different. The phone you didn't

765
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: you called Collette. They don't have these pre these cards

766
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: now prepared cards where like you said, you talked ten

767
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: minutes for ten dollars or twenty millions. Um, they figured

768
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: out a way like the county jail and the count

769
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 1: of jail top Roman was. Now there's a dollar dollar

770
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: fifty probably you know what I'm saying. And the prison

771
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: runs that. Now that's all all that money comes to them.

772
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: Uh Sherman. Black daughter runs the compensary now, so she

773
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 1: getting and they're making millions. That seems like it would

774
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: be a conflict of entrance. How can you have your

775
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: family lead for the ship and then you want the bed,

776
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: then that sitting in that seat. You're gonna make sure

777
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: when your people come walking in through that door and

778
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: they get that bed in, that's track going right there.

779
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: You feel me, because you're can go get ten noodles

780
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: at the store for a dollar, got damn right, so

781
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: they charged them. They're gonna make them ten noodles. Yeah,

782
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: so it's totally different. Now, it's totally different that they

783
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: monetize everything. Being fuckers, they've always found a way to

784
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: try to put the extra twist on some ship, especially

785
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: if they can do it, and even that it makes

786
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: you have always found a way to make something work,

787
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: Like when they took the cigarettes and you couldn't have

788
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: a light of the matches. Motherfucker's found a way to

789
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: get inside that box and strike the uh the wife

790
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: behind the TV or something to light a cigarette. So

791
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: to have a brain like like yours and to just

792
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: dig way outside the box like nobody else. It's kind

793
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: of weird to sit here and hear somebody shading, oh yeah,

794
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: I broke out many times. This is this ain't lost

795
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: for greenus where you get you know what I'm saying,

796
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: Nigger just lit through the ceiling in a prison and

797
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: kind of you gotta know some ship doing that, because

798
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: there ain't no telling. You couldn't hit a wire anything

799
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: else and got fried up in that. Motherfucker said, It's

800
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: just that, that's the intuition of listening and listening to

801
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: sounds and footsteps and knowing the motherfuckert thirty feet away

802
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: and listening to air ducks and bench turning. I mean,

803
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's an intellect right there. Have you

804
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: ever had your i Q tested before? Nah? As anybody

805
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: ever told you like that you play a genius, because

806
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: that's probably why you got in trouble so much when

807
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: you was little man, because usually people that are very intelligent.

808
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: Man shady stepped up, Yeah, and was figuring out some

809
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: ship too. Yeah, you just figured it out too soon,

810
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: man like. So that's the past. Man, what's going on now?

811
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: Like y'all said that prison is, uh, they're capitalizing on us.

812
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: I'm trying to capitalize on them now, you know. So

813
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: what I'm here, really, I'm trying to make a difference.

814
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: I want to try to help change the system as

815
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: much as I can so that people don't have to

816
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: go through the things that I went through, you know.

817
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: And uh, at the same time, trying to pretty much

818
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: put prisoners and put people from where we come from

819
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: in position and where we can make our lives better

820
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: and you know, make a living from from the system.

821
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: You know exactly. You've got an organization and something you're

822
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: trying to put together to help. Yeah, I'm putting together

823
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: Chasing Freedom Foundation and things. What is it My do

824
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: is bringing together a bunch of pair of legals, different

825
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: lawyers who want to assist and help and people and

826
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, try to get some of the people who

827
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: in prison that don't belong to be in there, trying

828
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: to get them people out. Then another thing is trying

829
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: to prevent people from me even going there, from even

830
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: getting the prison. And a lot of times we want

831
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: to start early because who's to say that if somebody came,

832
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, people say that I'm smart now and the

833
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: genius now. So suppose when I was five, six, seven eight,

834
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: instead of crips, you know, picking me up and taking

835
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: me through the streets with them, suppose somebody else came

836
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: and got me and took me down a whole another

837
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: road and showed me something else in life. I probably

838
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here today. It's definitely went to went to

839
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: prison and went through all of that. You know, I

840
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: could have used my smarts and genius doing something else

841
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: instead of wasting all the years I wasted in prison.

842
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: So the things like, I think it's important that we

843
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: reach out to people while they're young, before they even

844
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: get in the system and try to show them something different,

845
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, and give them an opportunity to do something different.

846
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: And you know, you hear all the time people say, well,

847
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, everybody is an equal opportunity, and that's not

848
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: the truth. You know, it's not. It's not a level

849
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: playing field, you know. And so you know, this guy

850
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: over here has both parents and had a nice home.

851
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: They got the college tuitions paid for, you know, they

852
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: got good health care. You know what I'm saying. They

853
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: go down to these good schools to where they learned

854
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: how to do all these different things. That person is

855
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: way more advanced and has way more opportunity than some

856
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: young kid in comptent who doesn't have anything like that,

857
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he the young kid

858
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 1: in competent can't be as good as them people because

859
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the opportunity, he doesn't have the tools,

860
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the resources. And so I think it's

861
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: it's what our jobs to do, is if we can,

862
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: if we can just somehow give them people some type

863
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: of resources and at the same time show them that

864
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: there's something else to life than what we've been exposed to.

865
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: And then and then you know, not to not to

866
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: say that um as adolescents, that kids can't find a

867
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: different path, but you know, I always say that it's

868
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: a product of the environment and not that kids from

869
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: cities like where we come from, like Compton can't be

870
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: successful in you know, becoming, you know, because we've got

871
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: people like myself who made it out yourself, who made

872
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: it out you know, Venus Arena and all these football

873
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: stars and other rap stars. So but it is, like

874
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: I said, I grew up in a single family home.

875
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: So it just made it that harder hard I had

876
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: to go through a couple of pitfalls before being the light,

877
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: so to speak. So not to say that kids can't

878
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: follow in different pathways, but it just makes it that

879
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: harder when you're coming from one of the environments like

880
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: we come from. Yeah. And then what makes it harder too,

881
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: is that sometimes we don't see it. Sometimes it was

882
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: hard for me to see. Yeah. Well, actually it's it's

883
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: just like a niedle in a haystack. You know. Out

884
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: of three d homies, three of them make it, you know,

885
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: they make their way out. But everybody else, the homies

886
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: is going to prison, starting from lost Madrinas or whatever

887
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: Jumna homes and then all the way to prison. Some

888
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 1: make it to the fens, you know what I'm saying.

889
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: But I think, just like yourself, you had enough time

890
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: to sit in there and like man, figure some ship out,

891
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: and then that didn't work. You found another way to

892
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: figure the ship out. A lot of us don't do that.

893
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: And that's what we We got options, and that's you're

894
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: showing us. We got options that even we either just

895
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: wear that way, you know what I'm saying, But you

896
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: got it done. Yeah. And and that's the thing that

897
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: I think I want to show people. I want to

898
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: show people that even though we failed, and even though

899
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: we find ourselves in terrible situations, and even though we

900
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: might find ourselves in prison with a life sentence, that

901
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: is still a chance that we can come out of it.

902
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: We just gotta work a lot harder than anybody else.

903
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to persevere. But there's still a way

904
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: out of that ship, definitely, you know what I'm saying.

905
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: We just got to sit down and find that motherfucking way,

906
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: you know. And so even even you know, even though

907
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: life is harder, we have bad experiences, we can't give up,

908
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, definitely, but that's what we need, you know,

909
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: brothers like yourself who trying to initiate uh situations for

910
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: the youth and then a different path so to speak.

911
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: And I think of more, you know, brothers like yourself

912
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: who initiate that uh and give kids a different outlook

913
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: of of what they see in the streets is what

914
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: we mean, feel me. So that's always a good thing.

915
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: When you can learn from your mistakes as a youth,

916
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: you can give back and teach to you something differently,

917
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: something to offer. Like I said, we didn't have too

918
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: many UH role models so to speak, you know, to

919
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: look up to. You know, as as far as I know,

920
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: when I came of age, it was the homies in

921
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: the neighbortood. That's the model, uh, you know, as a kid,

922
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, football, you know, the fireman policeman type of

923
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: ship as a kid, and ship by time you hit

924
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: eleven twelve, you see motherfucker's hitting the corners on datings

925
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: and ship hitting switches with with all the with all

926
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: the females, and you know, the money and all the

927
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: outfits and the female suits and all that ship. It

928
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: starts being intriguing, especially when you coming from that single

929
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: family home because my mom's working all day and my

930
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: sister fucking with the homies. You know, that's they gang

931
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: banging and representing. Said, that's my choices. You feel my

932
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: choice is to fun. I'm gonna start serving or I'm

933
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: gonna start gang banging. Wanted the two and fun. It

934
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: might be both of them, you know, as if I

935
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: had a different choice, Like you said, growing up in

936
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: Serrito's Lakewood or suburban area, so to speak, you give

937
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: me our choices were limited. Yeah, that's this and that's it.

938
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: They're limited. But so it's I think it's up to

939
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: us to just try to give as many opportunities as

940
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: we can and try to redefine what it means to

941
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: be a gangster, because you know, I'm saying, it's like

942
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: we think that it's all about self destruction, you know,

943
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: and suicidal missions and ships and destroying ourselves and our communities.

944
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: That's what it has come to today. So I think

945
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: that's it needs to be redefined, you know, to where

946
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, we got to be more productive and have

947
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: a little more unity and you know, and I think

948
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: that that your message, we'll go a lot further than

949
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: the majority of others because now they got something to

950
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: look at. Okay, I don't have to do this. I

951
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: don't have to be like that. I don't want to

952
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 1: go through what Bosco went through. You know what I'm saying,

953
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: And that's what we want to help push. You know

954
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's the page I'm definitely on. If

955
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: they can help five kids. Yeah, And that's the thing.

956
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're not gonna get everybody, but if you get one,

957
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: that makes a difference. If I can get one, you

958
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: can get one here and get one. He can get one.

959
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: That makes it difference. And now we got for others

960
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: who can get some more. Definitely let me ask you this.

961
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: I saw something really interesting in your website. You have

962
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: a book publishing company too. Yeah. Yeah, I started on

963
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: publishing company called jail House publishing and the idea behind

964
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: that is to try to help prisoners get their stories out.

965
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: You know that's a great idea. Man. Do you have

966
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: a contact for you guys and may be locked up

967
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: or something. Some of those guys may have incredible I

968
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: know it's some incredible writers that's locked up to Yeah,

969
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: and that's that's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for

970
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: incredible writers. Anybody who can write, whether it's poetry, palms,

971
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: whether you essays or memoir, uh, you know, novels or

972
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You know, they can get at me

973
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: at my site it's called jail House Publishing dot com. Well,

974
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: they can't reach me on Instagram, at Quante bosco or

975
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: Chasing c H A S I N, Underscore, Freedom f

976
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: R E E, d U M or either Quante Bosco

977
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: Adams dot com. You know, it's several ways to reach me.

978
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm out there. If you just google quante, q U

979
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: A W and t A Y, you know, you'll find

980
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: all my contacts right there. And you have you got

981
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: some big stuff going on? Can you talk about that? Now?

982
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: I can talk about it. I can talk about this

983
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: incredible story. They're actually making a movie. Yeah, yeah, So

984
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: in two thousand and ten, when I was locked in

985
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: solitary with two thousand and nine, some people from the

986
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: UK contacted me about making a documentary about the time

987
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: I broke out of prison. So they made the documentary,

988
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: which is the documentary that y'all seen, and they released

989
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: it in two thousand and ten, and they aired it

990
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: all over the world. And so I will start receiving

991
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: letters from people from all over the world, and like,

992
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, We want to know more

993
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: about your story. You know how a kid who dropped

994
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: out the eighth grade thirteen years old from the streets

995
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: and captain how were able to pull off this escape?

996
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: So I wrote a book. The book is called Chasing

997
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: Freedom c h A S I N Freedom f R

998
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: e E d U M. And I call a freedom

999
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: because a lot of d u M. Because we chased

1000
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: freedom the wrong way. Sometimes it's really in mind state,

1001
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: you know. So I ended up publishing the book self

1002
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: published it two thousand, seventeen eighteen something like that. Uh,

1003
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: producers in Hollywood came across it hops and then we

1004
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: set to start Faminist month Emotion family about it. Okay,

1005
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a good thing. Yeah, definitely, because I

1006
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: think when I talked to you and I was telling

1007
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: you about Sylvesterster Long did a movie and I thought

1008
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: that this is crazy. Was this based off of your story?

1009
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: When I've seen him. Actually, he was paid to go

1010
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: into different prisons to break out of jail, and the

1011
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: last prison he went to went bad, so he had

1012
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: to figure out how did he get out and would

1013
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: have but he was on the motherfucking ship line with

1014
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: a whole lot of I mean, in the middle of

1015
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: the motherfucking ocean. This just Federal prison was in the

1016
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: middle of the ocean. So anyway, when I heard Joe's story,

1017
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: I figured that it had to piggy back up what

1018
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: you what you lived and and maybe somebody ran a

1019
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: cross came. Yeah, I heard that too. When it actually

1020
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: came out, somebody told me, like, man, you gotta see

1021
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: this movie because you know, the things that that he's

1022
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: doing in this movie is identical to the same thing

1023
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: that I did. So you know, who knows a person

1024
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: who actually wrote the screenplay, wrote the script, probably saw

1025
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 1: the documentary and incorporated some of my things into that movie. Yeah,

1026
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: that happens. That happens a whole lot. Man. Well, man,

1027
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: we really appreciate having you. Won't here, man, I think

1028
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: this is a very like this is not something that

1029
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: we hear about every day documentary exactly. It's very well informative. People.

1030
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: So you can just put my put my publishing company

1031
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: all that song there. People, go to jail House Publishing

1032
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: dot com dot you can see my documentary, my books,

1033
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: see all that stuff on that. Yeah. And when we

1034
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: have that, we have a link to that in our description,

1035
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: our show description for the Night Man. And that's another

1036
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: episode against the Chronicles. Man, we thank you all for

1037
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: tuning in. Man, make sure you go to my man

1038
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: site see it again, jail House Publishing dot com. Or

1039
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: you can go to uh Chasing Freedom dot com. C

1040
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: H A, S I, N F R E E d

1041
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: U M dot com. Yeah, man, and make sure we

1042
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: got the O G Gangster Chronicles dot com up right now.

1043
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: Make sure you go register, man, Um, we got a

1044
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: lot of cool stuff coming on there. Man. That's it. Man.

1045
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: Make sure subscribe to the show support so we keep

1046
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: bringing out this bomb content and we out of here.

1047
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: When I write, y'all all across the usc Compton Watts Bank,

1048
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: the l A come on the California come valley the valley.

1049
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: We represent that KNY county. So if you're keeping it

1050
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: real on your side of your town, you tune into

1051
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles, Gangster Crown, the Goals. We gonna tell you

1052
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: how we go. If I like my nose, will girl

1053
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: like Pinocchio, We're gonna tell you the truth and nothing

1054
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: but the truth. Gangs to chronic Goals. This is not

1055
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: your average show. You're now tuned into the real mc A,

1056
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: Big James and mixed fields sickly from the streets. Hello,

1057
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: we uh you know we represents the geez never no

1058
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: wanna bees hust Let's play tune if you want to

1059
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: hear the real when you didn't come to the Rice

1060
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Speaker 1: five Gangster Chronicle. Chance to let the bill once be

1061
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Speaker 1: against the trying to caust what's the word on the

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Speaker 1: street Stree