1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast Drinks It's coffee black. Welcome 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. Up 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal in a room filled with some heroes. We 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: got heroes here, Mark Sessler and Chris Wesley. Hey, Greg, 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean you don't need to do that. We're missing 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: Danny dan Hands. This are our fearless host spending some 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: quality family time over the weekend. He will be back 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: with us at the all important Talent Summit for all 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: of NFL media held in swanky uh Santa Monica on Tuesday. 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: We'll be there. Hopefully we get some interviews from there 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,319 Speaker 1: for a show later this week, but for now, it's 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: just the three of us. That's it. Speaking of only 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: drinks black coffee. I have never drank a full glass 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: of coffee in my life. Really, wait a minute, although 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: I've never seen you, like even discussed coffee on any level, 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: so I'm not I guess I shouldn't be surprised. No, why, 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: what's the reason. It's like dirt water? It tastes nasty 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: to me, doesn't appeal to you. The more it's kind 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: of like why, And the more you drink it, the 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: more like you can taste the differences between and the 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: more you like. I had to switch over to black 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: coffee because I felt like my manhood was was being 23 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: challenged by my wife, Emmica, who only drank black coffee. 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: I made to switch. Your wife, who once told you 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: to come on this show and declare that you wear 26 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: the pants in the relationship, I mean, she's she still 27 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: stands by that there's a bee line of of themology there. 28 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: I think she's a badass. I'll take that. Well, No, 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't disagree with that. Um we uh. 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: I saw Chris over the weekend. He hosted uh kind 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: of a pre Father's Day dad fest. Um, it's a 32 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: Dad's Summit invented by Connie Fox Colleen Wolf. But you 33 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: held it this year at your house. It was a 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: good time. Yeah, she and her friend Kristen. And to me, 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: the Dad's Summit is a testament to how cool the 36 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: daughters are. That they fly their dad's out here, or 37 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: the day fly out here. However they get out here. 38 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: They have this amazing like three day fast just celebrating 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: their dads. It seems like a really cool idea. It's like, 40 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, Greg and I have young children and you 41 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: hope that when your children are the age of Kristen 42 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: and Colleen, that they would want to be around. Yes, 43 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: over that course for a full weekend. I think that's 44 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: testament to the whole gang there. I was sad not 45 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: to mak it right. Yes, the fathers are fun to 46 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: hang out with your kids, you don't want to be 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: around you still mark on, I think so. I know 48 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: that it sounds like I've I've advertised a level of 49 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: chaos on the home front just because they were so 50 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: small for so long. Yesterday I was telling someone was 51 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: the first Father's Day where we got to the night 52 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: it was like this entire day passed and it was 53 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: a plus from wire to wire and the kids are 54 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: at the age where they can kind of they made 55 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: like little posters and stuff. You know, I got that, 56 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: you know it's I I like, I got a Father's 57 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: Day get where I went to a bookstore and bought 58 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: a book for myself as a Father's Day gift. The 59 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: best way to do it. So you're saying, like the 60 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: first five or six years that you have children, it's 61 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: just a too chaotic to it. It's cute, but there's 62 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: no but children aren't oriented to celebrate really anything but 63 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: themselves for longer than about ten or fifteen minutes when 64 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: they're small and I don't need to be all day. 65 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: That that that was good. We ended up somehow and 66 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: Echo Park wasn't really a plan. Uh and uh paddled 67 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: some Swan boats. I mean, you don't get much more 68 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: dad than I've It was Actually it was great. It 69 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: was not Instagram photo. It was not a plan. Um, 70 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: and it ended up being beautiful. We all had a 71 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: great I'm wondering why you were wearing a life preserver. Yeah, 72 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: like for if it's so close upshot, it looks like 73 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm almost badass enough to be on a real boat. 74 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: But no, it was just like a paddle boat. And 75 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: that'll get you tired. I mean I felt like after 76 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: an hour of paddle boating around and I'm kind of 77 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: carrying them you're doing all the paddling was too, but 78 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: I think I was. You know, I got news for you. 79 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: You're forty years old. Now anything will get you tired. Yeah, 80 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: that's right, so this show hopefully won't. We've already uh 81 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: chatted a lot, so maybe that's gonna ruin um my 82 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: my overarch an idea here let's be honest. It's June. 83 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: It's June. See how much the NFL do we need 84 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: to talk about after having three big shows last week. 85 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: I say, for this show, we keep it tight, we 86 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: keep it right, and we have nine things that we 87 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: care about, three each. We each care about three things. 88 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: We keep it to three minutes each, and it's just 89 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: like a power packed episode and everyone goes on their way. 90 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: I like that a lot. Interesting to see, interested to 91 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: see how this this has never happened before, that we 92 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: actually kept it tightened right. But I think you know 93 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: there's something in podcast. I mean, this side of the 94 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: table highly doubts that any show clocks in it less 95 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: than fifty seven minutes or any show start time. Yeah, 96 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: well check on that. Yeah we uh yeah, we gotta 97 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: mix it. You know, there's something to be said for 98 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: leaving wanting more. So here we are. It's the nine 99 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: things that matter that we care about on June seventeenth. 100 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: If it's not listed among these nine things we don't 101 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: care about, it does not matter. Are if a two 102 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: day or whatever has happened in your life, we don't care. 103 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: Let's start the clock. Erica tam Posse Right now, I'm 104 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: gonna start with kind of the big news of the day, 105 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, that's traditionally what we do new news off 106 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: the top, which is the Nikos Sarrio drama between the 107 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: Texans and the Patriots. Over the weekend, we learned that 108 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: the Texans withdrew their attempt to interview Nick Cassario, the 109 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: Patriots executive, after the Patriots filed tampering charges against them. 110 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: There was statements that made it clear it was kind 111 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: of done at the ownership level between Robert Kraft and 112 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: Cal McNair and uh, the Texans are standing down and 113 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: Cassario is remaining a Patriot. I was really surprised by 114 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: this outcome. Where are us? Absolutely? To me, it seemed 115 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: like the what's the same The water is already over 116 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: the damn or whatever I thought it was. You know, 117 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: the horse was out of the barn. This was this 118 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: was done. I thought that, you know, the kid has 119 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: already fallen off the swan boat. There you go everything 120 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: about this situation. Asians screamed, the Texans are getting their man, 121 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: and the Patriots will just let this guy go where 122 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: he wants to go. And the Patriots dug in their 123 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: heels and said, this guy is valuable to us. We're 124 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: not letting him go. It's almost like a year after 125 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: the Josh McDaniels anti drama that this occurred. It's like 126 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: they seem to have corner, have cornered the market on 127 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: keeping their own if they don't like where they're going, 128 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: but I I do. It's interesting cause Bob Quinn got 129 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: out of the building, John Robinson got out of the building. 130 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: They're both gms. And I stick to this thing that 131 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: I think they are going to try to find a 132 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: way to make Nick Cassario their transition man post Belichick, 133 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: and that that insane with Josh McDaniels. I may be wrong. 134 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: That's just why I think they're digging in so hard 135 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: on these two individuals. I I thought it was fascinating 136 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: that he went to ownership level. You got the sense 137 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: that otherwise maybe that wouldn't have happened, That McNair was 138 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 1: standing down, that Robert Kraft might have been particularly upset 139 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: because this guy Jack Easterby had left as well. I 140 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: don't really know, but maybe now this gives the Patriots 141 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: time to give Cassio whatever he wants in terms of 142 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: money and a title, and that's one option. The other 143 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: is that he really does want to leave, which felt 144 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: like that's what everyone was reporting, and so that's kind 145 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: of the second part of the story that I want 146 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: to hear report. And if he does really want to leave, 147 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: maybe they still do work out a trade or something 148 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: with a little less you know, tampering heat or maybe 149 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, the Texas go GM free for a 150 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: year because they're already halfway there at this point, and 151 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: you have that job is just about done for the 152 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: right and you gotta lock up Clowney, but they have 153 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: they have other people in the building they could trust 154 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: to do some things. But then you then you bring 155 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: in Nicossario next offseason minus tampering charge nonsense. His contracts 156 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: reportedly ends at the end of this season rather season, 157 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: and so then they could bring him in. I don't know. 158 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: The whole thing is, Uh, there's a lot of very 159 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: stage to me that I think is a mystery. And 160 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: to me one of the biggest mysteries is how much 161 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: is Jonathan Craft really running the show? And to me, 162 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: what Mark said about having your transition phase, like it 163 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: doesn't have to end with Brady and Belichick, maybe Josh 164 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: McDaniels and Neck Scessario is a good replacement for those two. 165 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: And we're Dan here like the level of the well, yeah, 166 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: that is it tried to speak for Dan Wes. You 167 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: you have one more thing that that you care about 168 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: that we care about this week. Well, I got to thinking, 169 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: and this may be a better question for Mark because 170 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: we're the same age. And this really I think, like 171 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: most questions, Yeah, what percentage of your adult life, let's say, success, achievements, 172 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: self image, family, friends, would have been possible had the 173 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: Internet not been made available to the masses at the 174 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: exact moment you entered the adult world. Okay, and so 175 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: that's just wait, so that's on your mind. Yes, I 176 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: think for me, it's like, would not be possible had 177 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: the Internet not Let's say I'm ten years older, so 178 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: at age instead of age twenty one, the Internet takes off. 179 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm thirty one years old in the internet. Is it 180 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: too late for me to become a sportswriter? Is it 181 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: too late that any of this ever happened? Like even 182 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: keeping it just at um on two things quickly. One, 183 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: this career that we're in right now would never have 184 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: happened without that because I just hit the Internet at 185 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: the right time to start spamming newspaper editors when there 186 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: were newspapers back in the day with a billion emails, 187 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: and it led to over many years, you know, other 188 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: jobs and getting this job through internet stuff. Secondly, I 189 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: essentially met my wife in person, but then we communicated 190 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: for months over back in the day my space, and 191 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: had that not occurred, I don't think we'd be married today. 192 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: So thank you the internet did matter. That's a good 193 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: call because yeah, I'm ok and I met long distance, 194 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: and there was the emailing was was big of that, 195 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: but also Skype way back in the day, you know, 196 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: putting the old headphones on and having a freeway to 197 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: call for hours at a time when I could not 198 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: have afforded, like long distance calls a large percentage west 199 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: we are I often think about that like our age, 200 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: we're we're on that cusp where we experience life without 201 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: the internet and then life with the internet, and obviously 202 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: our kids are never gonna experience that. And that's why 203 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: I think we can kind of like dip in and 204 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: out of social media a little more than younger people can, 205 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: because it's like they don't even have a choice. They 206 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: just happen. Well, we are too, But there there's like 207 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: I think there's a it's an easier to sort of 208 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: turn it off and on because it's just not always 209 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: been part of our lives. West and I were born 210 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: in log cabin, so there's many areas you're five years older, 211 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: which actually does change the Internet equation, because the Internet 212 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: was up in like cranken by the time I got 213 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: to college. I'm also same here, though not a college graduate. Um, 214 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have left the post 215 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: office without the Internet. I doubt I would have moved 216 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: to Tybee. I definitely would not have moved to California. 217 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be working for Greg Well. I wouldn't have Yeah, 218 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had that job. I I got into 219 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: fantasy sports writing on the Internet at a time when 220 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: it was basically just starting. Like there's only a handful 221 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: of those jobs even existed in the world at that time. 222 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: Will there there was no such job five years before. 223 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: There be no podcasts, I mean, and there maybe there'd 224 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: be some format to listen to stuff, but we'd still 225 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: be having to drive around in your station wagon, you know, 226 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: like like extra long to listen to a full podcast 227 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: before swinging back around into your house and using fascinating. 228 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: I feel like we might have to revisit that question. 229 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: But now we're onto the third thing that that we 230 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: say matters. This is a this is another news item, 231 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: and you know it happened over It happens essentially the 232 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: day after our last show last week, where we found 233 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: out that Pat Bowl and longtime Broncos owner, died at 234 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: age seventy five. And I think, to the younger fan, 235 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: you really have very little concept of Pat Bowling because 236 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: he struggled with Alzheimer's and he really was not the 237 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: public facing owner of the Broncos for so long. But 238 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: I go, I, I do remember, you know those memories 239 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: you have in your first football fan and as a 240 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 1: Browns fan when they were locked in those three a 241 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: f C title games against the Broncos over the course 242 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: of four years. The third, the third one that happened 243 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: in eighty nine was a blowout and largely in memorable, 244 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: but the first two were obviously classics. The drive in 245 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: the fumble and what the contrast that I remember that 246 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: made me heighten, that heightened my anxiety as a very 247 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: new Browns fan, was that Cleveland's owner, art and model 248 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: pre everyone hating him, was a rather beloved figure because 249 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: he had tried so long to get a championship in Cleveland, 250 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: and he was during these two games and most Browns games, 251 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: a hot, nervous wreck, like you could just feel his 252 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: nervous energy from the shot. They'd show up in his 253 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: sweet he slumped over in his chair and just waiting 254 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: for something bad to happen, and then they cut over 255 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: to Pat Boland and there'd be like a cool wind 256 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: sweeping through his hair. He'd be in a big fur 257 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: coat in sunglasses, and I was like, they have essentially 258 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: like a Don draper Ish figure at the age John 259 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: Draper would have been at that time running the show. 260 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: And we have this guy who is a massive, hyper 261 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: antsy guy running in Cleveland Brown's team. Very concerning, but 262 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: if you look at his career, and I think he 263 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: did he actually there's an anecdote that he dropped that 264 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: fur code because a lot of Broncos fans thought it 265 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: was a little too sheehy and not really representative of 266 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: their country living out in the West. And so he 267 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: was someone that by the end of his tenure, was 268 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: incredibly close to many of his employees. Look at this 269 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: seven Super Bowls, three hundred wins in thirty years, twenty 270 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: one winning seasons. They are a team that had posted 271 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: a league high a hundred regular season wins in his tenure, 272 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: in the second best winning percentage in the NFL, which 273 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: was the first up until a year ago. He was 274 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: a pretty remarkable and we talked about bad owners on 275 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: this show all the time. He was the reverse for 276 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: owners in in just about every sport. They are people 277 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: of accomplishment and achievement who never got the credit or 278 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: the public uh sort of image that they want. They 279 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: want to be out there, they want to be acknowledged. 280 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: But the best owners realize it's a public trust, like 281 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: owning a newspaper, that it's for the region. It's for 282 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: the city and that region of the Denver Broncos. You're 283 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: talking Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, this whole Western United States roots 284 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: for this team and identify with them. Because beat Pat 285 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: Bowland gave the team to the region. He didn't try 286 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: to keep the team for himself in his own glory, 287 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: I guess well said. And he cared so much that 288 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: when Josh McDaniels went down in a house of fire 289 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: in Denver, it was because of this sort of unoriginal 290 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: videotaping scandal Part two where Boland basically shifted gears entirely 291 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: and brought an entirely different coaches from then on out. 292 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: Because of that experience. Well, the one the one thing 293 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: that comes to mind with Pat Bowl and he knew 294 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: even we're just gonna have that's our fault. We need 295 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: to be thinking about the third speaker. We don't have 296 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: a warning. I think that makes it exciting. It keeps 297 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: all on edge, and like we can talk about a 298 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: bron goes to succession plan another time, a lot of 299 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: family drama. There no family drama in the Tom Brady 300 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: What is all this? Oh well, it's lingering into Gregg 301 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: getting killed twice here. No, I love that. I mean 302 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: that is Pap Bolan's shining moment. It was good to hear. 303 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: I wanna bring up something that hasn't been talked about 304 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: at all on this show, which is Tom Brady's contract situation. 305 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: And I usually think that, like contracts for quarterbacks are 306 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: kind of an over talked about, uh topic on this 307 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: show or just on any show, but this one it 308 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: it strikes me that it's interesting because he's going into 309 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: the final year of his contract. Nothing's been done, nothing's 310 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: been talked about, There's nothing happening in the public eye, 311 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: which I think is great. That's kind of how they 312 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: do things. But I would expect the contract that sometime 313 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: this offseason. And it really is interesting because we've never 314 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: seen anything like him playing this well into this long. 315 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: How are they going to do that and when is 316 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: it going to happen. I kind of expected to happen 317 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: before this season starts, because it doesn't make sense to 318 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: me to have Tom Brady playing out a final year 319 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: of his contract. That would be weird. But what kind 320 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: of contract do you give Tom Brady right now? Are 321 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: they gonna like make up some of this guaranteed money? 322 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know. But it's just something 323 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: as we're heading into this dead time that I thought 324 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: was kind of a topic to just throw out there. 325 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be odd or bizarre or strange if all 326 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: of a sudden, after all these years, tom Brady said, 327 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: I want my money. I want what I owed, I 328 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: want what I'm do, I want over time, for all 329 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: of the years I took less money. This is a 330 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: guy who has made it clear he takes less money 331 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: because a his wife makes seventy five million dollars a 332 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: year or used to anyway, and be he knows, and 333 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: he knows it helps the team win. He knows that 334 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: they can build a better team and have their championship 335 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: window is more wide open than other teams. But because 336 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: they're all century, quarterback takes less money, and you could 337 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: argue kindness to team and also of what my wife 338 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: makes as zero factors. If you wanted to, you could 339 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: say other players could care less about where that's coming from. 340 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: That's extremely self. Let's do that. It's that we talked 341 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,239 Speaker 1: about their succession plan. They have no succession plan at 342 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: quarterback based on some drama that's happened in the past 343 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: couple of season. I don't know. I hear that the 344 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: Jared Stidham buzz is starting. Well, let's see how that works. 345 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: About that, it's more of thet It's like the guaranteed 346 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: money and kind of the are they gonna put their 347 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: money where their mouth is? Is Tom Brady gonna put 348 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: his money where the mouth is too, And like make 349 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: this a contract where it's guaranteed for the next couple 350 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: of seasons, and like, hey, we are actually all on 351 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: board with this guy playing until he's forty four, forty five. 352 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: It's not a one year thing, like it's just never 353 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: been done. And as a Patriots fan, I'm definitely curious 354 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: to see where what happens. Have you ever wondered how 355 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: many young quarterbacks look at this example and say, it's 356 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: a tremendous competitive advantage to marry a supermodel. Why don't 357 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: I do the same thing too? I mean, there's only 358 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: so many gisells, right, I mean, there's only so many 359 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: out there, But there should be like a line forming 360 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks saying, hey, look, Tom Brady showed us it's 361 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: a huge competitive Maybe Mary, like an heiress like Serena 362 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: would have was would have been a good catch, just 363 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: like any any woman making any an incredible Yes, Sierra, 364 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: that's either. I don't think it's like too far afield 365 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: from the way some quarterbacks think they're. They're not like 366 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: you know that, they're not like marrying total dark horses 367 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: that work at like right aid the whole. I mean, 368 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: it's just like scary when that voice comes in and 369 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: if anyone recognizes where that's coming from, let me now, Wes, Well, 370 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the fifth thing that we care 371 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: about on June seventeenth, and there's only nine. So we 372 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: are living in in terms of sports, we are living 373 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: in the analytics revolution. This is what the century is 374 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: brought with moneyball, and it's all rooted in Bill James 375 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies and eighties. You go back and 376 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: father Pete Palm or some other guys who were into analytics, 377 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: and it was sort of outsiders bemoaning what the insiders 378 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: were doing with sports, that it's sort of this caricature 379 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: of the old timey scout with the chaw in his 380 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: cheek saying, I can tell where this guy is gonna 381 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: be good, just by the way he's walking off the 382 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: plane or the bus, and all these outsiders said, well, 383 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: that doesn't ring true to me. I'm skeptical. That's what 384 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: we've been dealing with the last twenty years. My prediction 385 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: is the next big sports revolution is going to be 386 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: the counterbalance to analytics. It's gonna be a response that 387 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: basketball is not as great of a sport as it 388 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: could be because everybody's standing around taking three pointers. Baseball 389 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: right now is sit on your ass baseball. It is boring. 390 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: It's more like softball. And the next wave of sports 391 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: revolution is going to be Let's get the sport to 392 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: be as beautiful as possible, to be as rewarding and 393 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: as entertaining as possible. Can the sport reach its apoge 394 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: Bob Knight used to tellers players, you're not playing against 395 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: the competition, You're playing against the perfect form of basketball. 396 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna be led by former players 397 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: who are really intelligent, and it's gonna be led by 398 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: former analytics guys who were into the movement and take 399 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: a step back and say, what are we doing to 400 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: our sport? I know it's smart, but is it beautiful? Well? 401 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: I think analytics, you know, good analytics, front office minded, 402 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 1: you know, folks have always wanted to integrate, you know, 403 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: the actual scouting or whether it's the input from players 404 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: and coaches with the numbers. It can't be such such 405 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: a I don't know what the word is for. Just uh. 406 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: You know that you're just married to take and that's 407 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: all you're thinking about it. Uh. And I think that 408 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: has happened. But I think that's something to give you mine, 409 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: especially with the n b A of like, is it 410 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: making the sport? Baseball has a bigger problem than basketball. 411 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: Right now in terms of what the analytics are doing 412 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: to it, because ultimately, if you're winning, no one cares 413 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: about whether it's pretty or ugly on a team by 414 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: team basis. But you know what I mean, But everyone's 415 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: asleep at the wheel. There's nobody in charge of making 416 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: sure the sport is its best form, its most rewarding form. 417 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: Everybody's in charge. The conditioners are because they're hands strung 418 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 1: by the owners. Well it's fun, and the owners are 419 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: told by their analytics guys, this is what's important. I mean, 420 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: I think in the NFL we haven't really even seen 421 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: I think we're just starting. And even though a lot 422 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: of teams don't advertise it in and are very into 423 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: analytics and using data as much as they can, I 424 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: still think it's pretty early in the process for football. Absolutely. 425 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: The trick is like we can see certain teams jumping 426 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: out of the others analytics wise over the course of 427 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: the last decade to five years to now. But like 428 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: that movement is it's it does work? Does one team 429 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: start that? It's good question? This one is I want 430 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: to throw this out to the group versus winding on 431 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: for three and a half minutes. But I love what 432 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: I One thing that I do get excited about football 433 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: and I don't want to like manufacture stuff that I'm 434 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: not actually into is the concept of like the berserker 435 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: team that we spend all off season talking about. We 436 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: expect a B C and D to go to the 437 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: playoffs or even like these two teams to like fulfill 438 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: their potential and reach the like the Browns for instance, 439 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: even the Jets. They're gonna make the playoffs for the 440 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: first time in a long time. Who is the berserker 441 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: team that no one even sees at all that is 442 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: going to f everyone's expectations and plans up with a 443 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: nine or ten win season that gets him into a 444 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: wild card. And for me, I'll throw one out there 445 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: and we don't need to. I don't need to linger 446 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: on for me, when looking up and down the list 447 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: the Bills, I would say the Bills are a team 448 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: that in the in the a f C East could 449 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: do some damage and sneak into the playoffs because they're 450 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: well coached and the well run a year before or 451 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: two years before people expect. I love that pick into me. So, 452 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: I mean everything depends on the quarterback, right right? Is 453 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: he the guy who so many people decided before he 454 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: even took a snap would be a bust because he's 455 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: not accurate enough, he doesn't read the field well enough, 456 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: his instincts aren't that great. Or is he the guy 457 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: who looked like the best athlete on the field and 458 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: a lot of the games he played good. Question, there's 459 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: only so many options because even a team like I 460 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: don't know if the forty Niners even qualifies as like 461 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: as such an underdog. I thought you give them too 462 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: much credit. On this podcast. The Forts were always talking 463 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: about how they're gonna be good in their coach. I 464 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: think they have, they have, they have, they don't win 465 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: football games. The Cardinals would certainly be an option. The Lions. 466 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: I think the NFC North is too good for them 467 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: to do it. You know what I hate to say, Well, 468 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: the Bengals came to mind a little bit, the Bengals. 469 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: The Bengals are one that I've kind of given already. 470 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: This other part of me is a little afraid that 471 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: the Giants are gonna be better than than people think. 472 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: The Bucks and the Giants are two that popped into 473 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: my mind that like, if things go right for the Giants, 474 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't think that's the worst for the Giants, they 475 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: win six games, I think they could win nine or 476 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: ten if things If things went really well for the Giants, 477 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: why not name a less talented roster than the Giants. 478 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: They do a couple of younger players. I think if 479 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: things go totally right for most NFL teams, I think 480 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: they could win more than six. I mean, the Dolphins 481 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: probably have less talent than the Giants. I can't think 482 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: of another Raiders. No, I think the Raiders had more 483 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: talent than the Giants. Giants is the skill position players. 484 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: I always picked the buckspace. I just picked like five 485 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: different The main defense is part of the game, right, 486 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: and that's why I think defense is That's why I 487 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: think the Bucks have a lot of upside, not just 488 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: arians with Winston, but just because their defense has been 489 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: so bad year after year that if the coaching is 490 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: just better and they get to twentieth on defense a 491 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: little bit of luck, they could scrape out ten wins. Yeah, 492 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: I guess. I mean we're talking about a coach he 493 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: decided he had enough. M that's suddenly you're anti Bruce Areas. 494 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: You're that the king now that he's with Davis Winston, 495 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: your anti famously said I don't need to sleep on 496 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: a cot when he was into football, he said that 497 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: now he's already done. I guess like the the completest 498 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: part of me, that the part of me that has 499 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: done seven hundred, eight hundred of these shows, I don't 500 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: know how many of we maybe or whatever, feels like, uh, 501 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: we should get Josh mccccount's retirement into this program just 502 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: out of respect for Josh mccount. So I'm gonna throw 503 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: away the other couple of ones and throw Josh McCown 504 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: officially retiring in as the seventh thing we actually care about, 505 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: because this is a man who is I think misunderstood, 506 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: especially by people who have just paid attention to the 507 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: last few years, and they think of him as like this, 508 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: you know, backup who's really good at helping out the 509 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: guys underneath them, and he's a great guy and all 510 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: of that, and that's all true. But Josh McCown to me, 511 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: was the ultimate like five tool like baseball player that 512 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: really couldn't put it all together. That was almost over 513 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: hyped at some level. And it's not that he was 514 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: taken high in the draft. He was a third round 515 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: pick and he bounced around. But this guy man had 516 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 1: a cannon. This guy could run, This guy could make 517 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: any throw on the field, and he was fun the 518 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: best dunkers in the NFL. Fun as hell taking the 519 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: lead candidate, but fun as hell to watch as a 520 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: young player. But just kind of maybe like a Josh 521 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: Allen maybe didn't put it all together, like mentally or 522 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: whatever it was for a while in his career. But 523 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: just for the kids out there who don't remember what 524 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: he was like on the Cardinals where he hadn't okay 525 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: a couple of seasons, he had a big time moment 526 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: knocking the Vikings out of the playoffs. He had another 527 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: season where I think he was about seven and seven 528 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: as a starter. I mean, this guy had tools. This 529 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: guy was like loaded and was a lot of fun 530 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: to watch, just in terms of his skill set, not 531 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: in terms of like being a mentor or whatever. He 532 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: seems like a throwback, and I mean that's just gets overdone. 533 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: He's a throwback in the way that Johnny Unitis can 534 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: be drafted by the Steelers, cut be actually playing sand 535 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: football and then turned into a Hall of Famer. Josh 536 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: McCown at like age thirty three, went to the UFL, 537 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: and then he was coaching high school football, not like 538 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: in his spare time. That was his job coaching high 539 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: school football. And then he had a whole another career 540 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: after that, right he somehow he was a smart guy 541 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: that somehow, you know, it was just a great guy 542 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: to have around and then realize, how can I use 543 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: this skill set that maybe I like burned through early 544 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: in my career because he had nine starts, but he 545 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: had how many different one to three? Four? He had 546 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: eight nine different teams during his career over eight. Let's 547 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: stop calling like EJ. Manual a journeyman when you've got 548 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: Josh McCown on like half a dozen teams plus three 549 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: Josh McCown is kind of the definition of a journey 550 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: And sometimes it was pretty ugly. That Buck season that 551 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: he was the starter was one of the worst. Like 552 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: that was. It was just like he was just taking 553 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: a bullet for them basically and just like wasting out 554 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: a season. But I just I don't think we're done 555 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: with him. I think the same way that Tony Romo 556 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: went to television, it's not it's not going to be 557 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: to that immediate notice of people. But I think he 558 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: talked about and is going away piece. Coaching is a 559 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 1: passion of his. He is around the league. People are like, 560 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: this is someone we wanted our coaching app. I think 561 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: he's going to be a super fast riser and it 562 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 1: helps because he looks like someone shout out of Madman 563 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: within a fantastic haircut. He is. He looks the part. 564 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: He's a great leader, and he's a mentor. Yeah he know, 565 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: he absolutely is, and but just happy trails. That's what 566 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: I want out of a backup quarterback. I don't want 567 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: like the guy who's gonna come in and not make 568 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: any mistakes and not kill you. I want someone that 569 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: comes in the game and makes it more fun to 570 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: watch and just as like a little crazy. He he 571 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: is kind of a chrisch fan. Bryan Fitzpatrick, it's over. 572 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: I would um nominate Mark to go and then I'll 573 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: wrap it up because mine it's not really about sports. 574 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: It's sure mine is, uh veers pretty heavily away from 575 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: sports too, but why not do two in a row. Um. 576 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: The thing that I am honestly very excited about is 577 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: the movie coming up soon. Once upon a Time in Hollywood, 578 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino's ninth film, I do think honestly, it's gonna 579 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: be a very different kind of film from his previous ones. 580 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: And we know that it's about nine nine. We know 581 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: that it's about um, Hollywood, it's about it's mixed in 582 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: with Sharon Tates killing and all that stuff. And they've 583 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: made a billion movies about that topic and most of 584 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: them have been done horribly wrong, and they're and they're 585 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: basically just a regurgitation of what we already know. When 586 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: you put Quentin Tarantino's worldview on it, and he has 587 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: the okay from the Tate family after they read the 588 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: script and saw what he did. I think that's a 589 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: big part of this. I would give you two things 590 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: if you're interested in this topic to look. Last week, 591 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: I saw a movie, The Wrecking Crew, that starred Sharon Tate, 592 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: and it also had a dangerously overly tan Dean Martin, 593 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: who have made me show that movie stars of that 594 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: age they're just simply old, like Brad Pitt still looks 595 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: essentially younger than most people that are thirty five. That's 596 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: not how it worked back in that time. But that 597 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: was her last movie, and go watch her in that 598 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: and tell me what you think of her after seeing it. 599 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: It is so it is she she's not the greatest 600 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: actress on the planet, but there's something about her spirit 601 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: that's pretty crazy. There is a book called The Family 602 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: by Ed Sanders. If you've read Helter Skelter, that book 603 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: is a crazy departure from what Vincent Bugliosi wrote in 604 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: Helter Skelter, which was not rushed but written quickly after 605 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: the case and as the case was going on. This 606 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: was a poet and a songwriter who was hanging out 607 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: with a lot of people in the story while he 608 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: was writing it. And there are some crazy things involved 609 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: in there. And people should remember that Sharon Tate's father, 610 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: who was a colonel in the in the Army. I 611 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: believe he spent years researching this case undercover, going into 612 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: the hippie community trying to find out what happened is 613 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: There are a lot of divergent tales back then. This 614 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: movie won't go, I think, too deep into that world. 615 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: It's going to talk about the DiCaprio and Pitt Hollywood 616 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: relationship in the end of Hollywood, at the end of 617 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: a Hollywood era interesting. I spent a lot of the 618 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: early offseason reading about old Hollywood, and it is fascinating 619 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: to read the stories. Um, the characters involved. That was 620 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: a different time in America. Is has there been a 621 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: movie that's come out in years that is more up mark? 622 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a movie made for you, and 623 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: it does look like a lot of fun. I like 624 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: it when the secondary characters, like I can't Timothy Oliphant 625 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: has a big role. I loved him at the Oliphant 626 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: like Luke Perry is in this movie. Kurt Russell's in 627 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: this movie, al Pacino's in this movie. He just like 628 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: wish cast his his lineup of actors, and it's typically 629 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: people that someone hasn't seen in a film. For Jackie 630 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: Brown is an example of that. Like that, that's what 631 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: I love. And I think he's going to go all out. 632 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: He says it's last movie. I don't buy it. Let's 633 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: go to the last I mean, we don't even need 634 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: about Let's go down. And there was only nine things 635 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: in the world that we care about this week and 636 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: West has the final one. Well, I call this topic 637 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: what they don't tell you about cancer. Um. I was 638 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: incredibly open throughout the whole process, and I was told 639 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: that I can't believe you revealed so much and to me, 640 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: that was always weird. Why wouldn't I am on this podcast. 641 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: It's public, of course, that's part of our lives. But 642 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: I've been quiet since sort of the end of chemo. 643 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: I haven't brought people along for the ride. And what 644 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: they don't tell you about cancer is that you lose 645 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: your identity, that there's a vulnerability. Like for me, I 646 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 1: was a staunchly, fiercely into, pendent person who didn't need anyone, 647 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: didn't rely on anyone. Well, you you're so vulnerable you 648 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: have to rely on people. You're on a feeding tube, 649 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: you can't feed yourself, you can't really function. And Keisha 650 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: and her mom took care of me. You guys came 651 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: and see me. But along the way, you lose your identity. 652 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: And I just want, like ask our listeners be patient 653 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: with me. I haven't been the same person after cancer 654 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: as I was before cancer, and I'm still trying to 655 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: figure out who I am, and I think I've sort 656 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: of lost that centering that most people have, and I'm 657 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: still trying to figure out, like what am I going 658 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: to be from my next thirty forty years or whatever 659 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,959 Speaker 1: it is. So that's my quick word on what they 660 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: don't tell you about cancer, you just lose who you are. 661 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't think you lost the element um that I 662 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: like about you, your self awareness. Though some people would 663 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: just not even realize that that's all happened to them, 664 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: you're the analytic side of you, but also other things 665 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: are able to see that that transitions happened. Well, I 666 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: think you think about that stuff more after you go 667 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: through something like that. You you, I think necessity have 668 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: to be a less selfish person, a less self centered person. 669 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: You can't just sit around thinking about yourself all the time. Well, 670 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: you you're a different person. I mean everyone is always 671 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: like a different person than they were a couple of 672 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: years ago. But when you have something that life changing 673 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: and transformative, I think what I'm getting from you is 674 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: just that you feel like you're still Chris Wesseling. But 675 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: how could you not be like a different person. And 676 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: then just you know, putting that with what whoever the 677 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: old Chris Wesseling was, and kind of making that all 678 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: marry and feeling that that's you. Well, have you ever 679 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: noticed that Jerry McGuire's memo is basically sanity Like he 680 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: writes his memo and it makes sense, but everyone's afraid 681 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: to jump on board. Everybody's afraid to buy in. But 682 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: we all have Jerry McGuire's memo in our lives and 683 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: we never really let it out because we're afraid of 684 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: the backlash. And to me, what I learned from cancer 685 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: is I'm sort of just gonna throw out I'm gonna 686 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: use Jerry McGuire's memo. I know these things are right, 687 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: and I don't really care what the back last year is. Lakisha, 688 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: your renee Zellwigger absolutely see. I think I don't know 689 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: if you would have I don't know if any of 690 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: this that's happened to you, the the amazing chapter in 691 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: the last couple of months, would have happened had you 692 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: not gone through this change. I think there is certainly 693 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: a large part of that that I've changed as much 694 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: because of Lakisha and her positive, relentless positive outlook and 695 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: energy as I have from cancer. What when you when 696 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,959 Speaker 1: that makes you Tom Cruise and that means you're gonna 697 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: beat Justin Bieber if you ever see him, I promise 698 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: you you will. Do you think well when you say 699 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: this and you're bringing this topic up for the listeners too, 700 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: is it because like, why why do you want to 701 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: bring it up for the listeners now? I guess I 702 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: think like there's a part of me that's still, um, 703 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: really stubborn and really outspoken and really opinionated, and I 704 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: talk over people in the room, and I know listeners 705 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: get upset with me because of that. They probably get 706 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 1: upset with all of us because of that. But I'm 707 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: trying to shed more of that part of me, and 708 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: it's hard, Like that's who I was for a lot 709 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: of my life, you know. Yeah, I don't think you 710 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: need to change. Don't shed it all though, Yeah, totally 711 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: who you are, and I don't think I don't think 712 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: you could if you totally tried. But if if you're 713 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: saying that you're you're a different person and you have 714 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: different priorities, I think that's natural and hopefully we all 715 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: that happens for all of us. I just hope that 716 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that, um, you know that you just start 717 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: writing books and you're no longer on this podcast in 718 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: a few years or something. Well, writing books, I mean, 719 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: they don't just write themselves. Like an Eli Manning retrospective 720 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: is what we need from West. You've really really gone 721 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: through transition six hundred and seventy Eli Manning novel. I've 722 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: always seen more of a dabbler than I finisher, and 723 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: it's hard to be a dabbler and write books. Look 724 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: a look at this, it's just started. Wants to get 725 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: on the road. I mean that was a hard turn, 726 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: uh for Mark Sessler, Chris Wessel, Eric at Sampose. We 727 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: did it. We'll see you Thursday, m